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  • Ambiorix Ambiorix

    Unlogged Forests are the Healthiest Forests

    Politicians in the West have increasingly been repeating scientifically-discredited timber industry propaganda that logging national forests is somehow beneficial for the health of our publicly-owned forests, wildlife, and fisheries.

    What they regularly avoid mentioning is that some of the best wildlife habitat in the West is in unlogged areas like the Bob Marshall Wilderness in Montana and Yellowstone National Park. Or that the cleanest water and some of the best fishing — particularly for native species — is in streams that flow through unlogged national forests.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/06/11/unlogged-forests-are-the-healthiest-forests/

  • Jebus Jebus

    The Most Powerful Evidence Climate Scientists Have of Global Warming

    The oceans hold the story of a planet warming as fossil fuels are burned. Here is what scientists have discovered, in four charts.

    Earth's temperature is rising, and it isn't just in the air around us. More than 90 percent of the excess heat trapped by greenhouse gas emissions has been absorbed into the oceans that cover two-thirds of the planet's surface. Their temperature is rising, too, and it tells a story of how humans are changing the planet.

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming

  • Jebus Jebus

    Consensus Confirmed: Over 90% Of Climate Scientists Believe We’re Causing Global Warming

    http://www.iflscience.com/environment/consensus-confirmed-over-90-climate-scientists-believe-we-re-causing-global-warming/

    Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming

    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

    • "Consensus Confirmed: Over 90% Of Climate Scientists Believe We’re Causing Global Warming"

      There is soooo much evidence to the contrary it's not even funny…

      And this is just another fake percentage number that actually means nothing…

      Who do they ask? 90% of those that would say it's true?

      These figures are as rigged as the co2 studies themselves…

      Ask 100 cannibals if they like the taste of human flesh and see what the percentage is…

      Do you see how we get fooled by these so called percentages?

      It's not 90% of all scientists it's 90% of those they asked and they asked 10% of those that they knew would answer NO (and know better) to make it a believable number.

      These so called polls cost money, if you look at where that money comes from you will find the slant.

      So when they take these fake polls they pick the folks they ask carefully and already know what the outcome will be before they do it.

      You can even take a collage course and learn how to do that very thing.

      A retired journalist for The New York Times, William K. Stevens wrote: "The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the likelihood was 90 percent to 99 percent.

      So ask climate scientists a question that lines their pockets or funds their school activities or labs or proves they have been wrong?

      https://bizfluent.com/info-8468866-strengths-weaknesses-scientific-polling.html

      If enough of em yell the sky is falling someone will give em our tax money to…

      • Ambiorix Ambiorix

        Whats wrong with turning to too cheap to meter ?

        While Trump promotes coal, other countries are turning to cheap … ›

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/world/2017/03/31/while-trump-promotes-coal-other-countries-are-turning-to-cheap-sun-power

      • Jebus Jebus

        So the same can be said about woods hole scientists. They are lining their pockets denying the effects of Fukushima upon the Pacific. Their singular data is skewed.

        What are the odds that all these climate scientists are wrong?

        http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

        What are the odds that Ken Buessler and woods hole is wrong?

        • "What are the odds that Ken Buessler and woods hole is wrong?"

          The odds that Ken Buessler could be wrong are as good as any one being wrong from simple judgement mistakes to a agenda for funding…

          Something I just haven't ever seemed to be able to convey to ya'll no matter how I've worded it…

          …Maybe you'll get it this time around.

          Test results are test results, what someone says they think about them (their opinion) can be wrong or mean nothing.

          And 90% of all candy eaters surveyed say candy tastes good means nothing too.

          • Jebus Jebus

            Agenda for funding.

            How can you be sure his data is not faked?

            Like 97% of the climate scientists…

            • I don't think the C02 test are wrong or faked…

              I do however think the so called explanations surrounding the test results are obviously fake.

              Obviously fake and for a agenda.

              The test result numbers must be accurate or the fraud would be shown by independent testing.

              That's not how these scams work…

              The test results are always certified and checked independently and must be accurate or the jig is up.

              The ensuing opinions you hear about these readings are just that, opinions, and they can be anything because it's a opinion.

              A opinion can be what ever you want it to be accurate or not.

              They call it freedom of speech last time I checked.

              And opinions are like assholes right?

              So ANY scam DEPENDS on the numbers being accurate.

              A opinion can make you think whatever it want's if you believe it so why would you fake the numbers that can be proven wrong?

              I see you just haven't thought that through yet and I hope this helps you to understand. It's not the numbers that are wrong, it's the people pushing a fairy tale about them for money that's wrong.

              So don't listen to them! Do your own unbiased research first based on known and proven facts and then you will get closer to the truth.

              Rely on what you heard somewhere as being fact and you won't know who to listen too or who's telling (or even knows) the truth.

          • danger kitty danger kitty

            There are tests Buessler COULD be running, but isn't.
            He's very careful about that…
            Doesnt want to upset his masters.
            Funding..

      • And make no mistake, when it comes to the climate we (human activities) are like a ant hill on a acre of land.

        We aren't changing the climate WE are killing the earth with pollution and assfault roads and bulldosers and buildings.

        The sun changes the climate, the orbit of the earth changes the climate.

        And if that's not obviously true to you think about this.

        "The last glacial period occurred from the end of the Eemian interglacial to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago"

        Where were all the cars and factories and man made C02 producers then?

        Seems to me this would be obviously self explanatory…

        So if there were no factories was it camp fires warming the earth back then?

        Not thinking so.

        OK that being said we should in all good science be able to rule out man as the cause of the end of the last ice age.

        What caused the earth to warm from a icy ball to the climate we have today?

        Volcanic activity? No it actually would decrease temps… Why? the ash and gasses would block out the suns rays.

        So what's the ONLY plausible explanation?

        Could it be the Sun? And the earths orbit changing?

        Bingo we have a winner!

        And the sun activity and the earth's orbit has been going through this same cycle every since the earth was formed and not only this cycle but many cycles before the last ice age. True science proves this cycle has happened many times since the birth of the earth.

        • Jebus Jebus

          What are the odds that all these climate scientists are wrong?

          http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

          • slandermen Deadboy

            I laughed at some of the wording. Ivan approved.

          • Well they are all studying c02 aren't they?

            They all get funding to study C02 don't they?

            They all confer and share the same information and techniques don't they?

            They are all going down the same road of assumed evidence aren't they?

            So if one is wrong they are all wrong aren't they?

            And just forget about the thousands of scientists and archaeologists that have shown beyond doubt through real archaeological study of the millions of years of unchangeable evidence left behind…

            The proven facts (not a speculation):

            Approximately a dozen epochs of glacial expansion occurred in the past 1 million years.

            So we know without doubt that the earths orbit is in a repeating cycle that both causes and eliminates ice ages and has been doing this over and over again since the earth was formed.

            What about global warming from C02?

            What is the proper name for that?

            The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change.

            So one is unproven and officially just a theory and the other has been proven over and over again from archaeological and scientific study performed for 100+ years and confirmed to be true and consistent over and over and over again to be historical fact…

            and C02 caused global warming is officially still a Theory.

            Now what would be a assumption and what would be proven fact there….

            • Jebus Jebus

              The blanketing effects of CO2 in our atmosphere has been studied extensively. It is the most abundant greenhouse gas. Nothing and no one says it is the only factor.

              The timeline that you speak of is acknowledged by all.

              The timeline that man shows up on is much shorter, in time, than any epoch that your timeline references.

              Hence the urgency to investigate…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                "The blanketing effects of CO2 in our atmosphere has been studied extensively. It is the most abundant greenhouse gas. Nothing and no one says it is the only factor."

                CO2 is nothing compared to water vapor, so, not the most abundant greenhouse gas. Also, it doesnt blanket the earth and is not a greenhouse effect. The rest is speculative…

                • Jebus Jebus

                  I did not consider water vapor, even though we are creating more of that in the atmosphere.

                  They chose CO2 because you can't sell anyone pollution credits.

                  CO2 is the one we create the most of directly…

                • Jebus Jebus

                  "To bring some understandable reason to the family of GHGs, scientists speak in terms of carbon dioxide equivalent – CO2e. That approach in effect makes carbon dioxide, CO2, the prevailing “currency” of greenhouse gases and global warming."

                  https://www.neefusa.org/weather-and-climate/climate-change/principal-greenhouse-gases-and-their-sources

                • Jebus Jebus

                  And yes, while we exhale our waste, we are stripping the fucking planet bare…

                • Amen code… Water vapor is the biggest trapper of heat…

                  But they can't get grants to study the theory of water vapor because it's no longer a theory, It's as proven as our orbit and ice ages and warming cycles.

                  What about the theory that volcanoes produce more C02 than everything us humans do on the planet? Nope no grants for that theory either because it is also proven fact.

                  And how about the theory that plants produce oxygen and absorb C02… Nope that's strike 3 on the free money grant to study something that has already been studied and proven…

                  And it's real hard to scare someone into giving you a pot of money to save the world using any of those simple, proven and obvious things too…

                  So let's tell em that we need to study man eating avocados that are going to take over the world because of something man is doing to cause the world to heat up…

                  Almost as ridiculous as C02 and global warming, maybe that'll work huh.

                  And here's some research to get us a grant…

                  …But it's top secret so don't tell anyone until we have our story straight.

                  https://youtu.be/5WRsu7lRpLk?t=2m2s

                  HehehE :-).

                  HehhE :-).

                  • unincredulous unincredulous

                    "What about the theory that volcanoes produce more C02 than everything us humans do on the planet? Nope no grants for that theory either because it is also proven fact."

                    They already got the grants:

                    "According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. " https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

                    I have eaten two Papa Johns pizzas in twenty-four hours. That's all that matters. OMG

            • danger kitty danger kitty

              Got links or scientific papers for your "proven facts", Lamar?

            • And I said all that to prove another fact…

              If we would study and implement pollution elimination instead of wasting time studying something a simple plant can eliminate and use those funds and wasted time to eliminate the real threat which is deadly pollution and dangerous radiation and their producers.

              We may (and I use that word loosely) can create a chance for our grandchildren's grandchildren to have a decent place to live.

              Going to mars ain't gonna do it folks and wasting time and money studying C02 global warming fairy tales ain't gonna get it done either.

              Eliminating the known deadly things we can may have a chance…

              But that requires real effort and work, not another foolish study.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            what are the odds the doctors and surgeons are wrong? Washing hands before surgery is only 150 years old. Prior to that time physicians scoffed at the idea. So 200 years ago, probably 99% or more of physicians didnt believe in hand washing. If you assume a somewhat arbitrary length of civilization of 5000 years, our best and brightest have not believed in hand washing 97% of the time. To me, this is convincing evidence that hand washing is useless, and at least as strong as the evidence for anthropogenic climate change

            • Jebus Jebus

              Perfect. There was no data on hand washing before. Just scoffing…

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Scientists are herd like and swayed by status quo thinking. Indeed, it would be an interesting study to see who is more often correct in evolving scientific fields; The masses of students and professors, or the independent outliers working outside the status quo.

              Certainly history has quite a few notables….Einstein, Copernicus, Semmelweis, Alfred Wegener, Gregor Mendel, Johannes Kepler, Code Shutdown etc etc

              • And don't forget the hippie there code :-).

                Yea the first known doctor to implement antiseptic hand washing was?

                Ignaz Semmelweis!

                He proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic, where doctors' wards had three times the mortality of midwives' wards.

                Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

                Now there's a simple idea rejected by the know it all's…

                Ya see they only thought they knew something so doing something that simple just didn't seem to matter to them.

                I wonder how many children had to die for the genius mental midgets to figure out something that simple and proven obvious…

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  All fall down. Must have washed their hands or some foolish thing. Cretins. Unwashed women were preferred by the gentlemen of wealth in those days.

                  There is a story of a poor women that fell in a river. Medical professionals dragged her through a hog pen, and blood letted her for couple of weeks. Still, the unfortunate woman died from her brush with water.

                  Sad story. Today, they can also give radiation and chemical poison therapy

              • slandermen Deadboy

                And you forgot to mention guys like Pythagoras, Euclid, Euler, Maxwell, Minkowski, Poincare.

                Actually, now that you've mentioned it, I noticed a surprising bias related to institution there. Seems pretty racist. See now you're going to have to go and google a bunch of persians and indians.

                Surprisingly, you won't find the names of most of the real alchemists anywhere, either.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              "So 200 years ago, probably 99% or more of physicians didnt believe in hand washing."

              Who taught them to be that stupid, in their respective fields of institutionally promoted expertise?

              I figure, it'd be kind of natural, maybe even sensible or fucking obvious that you may want to not have shit on your hands all the time. It would even seem to me that people figured out a lot about disease and shit before that.

              It seems thatknowledge was lost with more modern society. How's that?

              I mean, I don't wanna discredit semmelweiss entirely. Because the guy was probably fucking freaked out by how stupid people are when it comes to indoctrinated, consensus-styled authoritarian thought, but I am almost certain attributing the concept of washing your hands when they're dirty was discovered and promoted before 1847.

              • Jebus Jebus

                There was no data…

                • slandermen Deadboy

                  Of course there was, obvious data, there was inference, experiments and intuition too.

                  There is an awful lot of data that suggests GMO monsanto shit is basically necessary, so there's that. That's pretty new stuff with LOTS of data backing it up.

                  • slandermen Deadboy

                    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/04/07/gmos-have-health-benefits-not-health-risks/

                    Get literate, fool.

                    I can probably cite hundreds, if not thousands of papers. I could also suggest that very sincere carbon tax proponents happen to support a bunch of that, along with say, vaccinations.

                    And they're definitely involved with big data.

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    Too dry?

                    Not sure that monsanto has the volumes of supporting data that global climate science has…

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      And let's consider associations and proponents and shared attributes, marketing, relations.

                      See, when I look at the denominators, or the common factors. It's not the legitimate science that bothers me.

                      I guess, these institutions have been correct all the time, and it'snot like as much as 50% or of scientific papers are bullshit. I mean climate science is a rather vague, fairly complex thing. Certainly more complex than mutant plants. That possibly makes it more confusing.

                      Anyway, most of it related to the very status quo consensus that has surprisingly been inept, often quite wrong about significant issues and very commonly associated with corporatism and the very problems they supposedly address.

                      So, it's just that the most of it's bullshit that bothers me.

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Which is exactly why you get the CO2 blanket term, used and abused by anything from banks to the MIC.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      It's just there for something to focus on…

                    • Let's not forget what all that supposed science and their free money grants are called officially…

                      "The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change"

                      Kind make ya feel all warm and fuzzy inside…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Co2 is just there for something to focus on. See, if the main rhetoric is simply and admittedly wrong…the greenhouse effect, the huge amount of carbon, the unprecedented levels, the dangerous gas, the huge sea level rise, then the rest looks pretty bad; the lack of inclusive science, the unscientific blaming of everything on climate change.

                      If they are going to make a case for carbon, they should make it with clarity and truth, not false statements of convenience and hot button rhetoric.

                      The mean free path of radiation affected by carbon is like 25 meters. No matter what we do we wont keep more radiation from coming in or keep it from going out by adding carbon dioxide. The whole thing hinges on the upper atmosphere temperature gradient, and possibly some low level interaction with water vapor. Now if there was a temperature inversion up there, more carbon would freeze the planet.

                      Meanwhile man cut down half the trees and killed 20 to 40% of the plankton. Arguably more climate driving.

                      Nobody talks about the pollution of fossil fuel burning. Why dont you hear about albedo change on snow? Its always the same…Co2…

                    • Yepper code…

                      And if we are going to panic over carbon anything…

                      Let's at least create panic over something that's a REAL modern man made threat showing up in spades…

                      That would be man made Carbon 14…

                      Guess where that comes from.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      They talk about Co2 is bad, but no fix is offered. Yes, the bla bla, but no fix.
                      There is no fix unless you crack it.
                      C______O2. Carbon and Oxygen

                      Anything else it is just sequestered, or it will be re-used. Currently, most all is reused. Fact:
                      All Co2 capture off of refineries is used.
                      They get their tax credits.
                      Coke and Pepsi put it right back in the sky

                      What a scam job. I know, I filled railcars
                      tested FDA, bla bla bla.
                      Ran production plants
                      Built/commissioned them
                      We're suckers.

                      If someone could tell me 'how' it could be fixed, I might believe the scam that it is.
                      Maybe

                      Other than cutting FF, no fix. It is increasing.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/carbon-dioxide-market

                      "Carbon dioxide is used in various applications such as inert gas in fire-fighting, freezing & cooling food products, extraction of oil and carbonation of beverages. The growth in these applications is projected to positively drive the market from 2016 to 2025.

                      The huge investment in R&D for advanced technologies in enhanced oil recovery (EOR) and carbon capture & storage (CCS), have led to an increase in the demand for CO2. EOR technology aids in extracting large amount of resources from oil and gas reserves in a short span of time. CCS technology is used for capturing and storing CO2 which is later utilized for industrial purposes."

                      About when will it be going away?

                      Suckers

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Jebus, I skimmed it

                      "probably nobody read it, but it seems like this covered that…

                      http://enenews.com/forum-off-topic-discussion-thread-non-nuclear-issues-new-as-of-january-2017/comment-page-154#comment-904944"

                      In my opinion scientists should all be ashamed. They dont put the numbers on the table, they dont admit they dont know so many things. CO2 is 84% of mans greenhouse gas, and man has contributed all of the excess? Ive read studies that try to prove that. man puts out about 3% of the CO2 and CO2 is about 3% of the greenhouse effect. .03 x .03 is 0.009…. They claim water vapor will have a positive feedback runaway effect but is that proven?

                      If it turns out man is responsible, or not, for climate change, its no excuse for bad press releases. What if it turns out pollution of various kinds, but not carbon, is responsible for climate change? Then they were just doing bad science with incorrect conclusions…rushing to them. What if chem-trailing is an anti climate change thing, and it turns out the chemtrails affect the ecosphere which affects climate?

                      If science is interested in saving the planet, they arent doing shit. Every paper on climate change should reference the forests, ecological cascades, plankton, nuclear and industrial pollutants, soot, human population and desertification. Instead its CO2 equivalents? Science says licorice is dangerous. Really. They should rate all drugs and pesticides in licorice equivalents maybe

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HD, please dont yepper me. All you do is attempt a character assassination. Your stuff is trollish. You blabber on always with your youtube links. I dont like it. Sorry, you may be fine person to person or with your friends, but we have no alliance, you and me. It wouldnt have had to be that way, it was your call

                    • Wow ast… You mean to say the scammers don't have a cure for their fake problem?

                      It would kinda ruin the con if they came up with a cure huh… Where would all that free research money go? To the cure?

                      Unbelievable…

                      That's scary huh, the fix is as it has been from the beginning….

                      But first… The truth is C02 is not nor has it ever been a problem for global warming…

                      Second.. The fix for C02 is all around you…

                      We call em plants, ya know like trees and bushes and vines and pretty much anything green (except maybe yard grass cut to the nub by a so called homeowner and then dosed with chemicals and fossil fuel based fertilizers).

                      Wow! and I really mean Wowsers!!!!

                      Plants eat C02 and make O2. Most even sequester pollution (like hardwood trees and pines and bushes and vines).

                      There's your cure but still there is no cure for a scammer or sheeple or ignorance (notice the ignore part in that word).

                      Get a life or as grand pappy used to say…

                      Get buisy livin or get buisy dyin.

                      Here's the latest news report on smoke that causes global warming…

                      https://youtu.be/9hYGtXIqDa0

                      We need a grant to study that so here's where to send your money…

                      https://youtu.be/9xhTomqDTzE

                    • Well just look at the facts…

                      We weren't having a problem until you made one…

                      And I was agreeing with your posts tonight…

                      Now who's call was it to make?

                      Wow…

                      Friggin crazy people do something and then say you did it…

                    • And let be be clear about a few things here…

                      If I see a false statement on a important topic I'll point it out.

                      Now I'm not bashful or thin skinned and will show you the true facts if I know them.

                      I'll even joke and link to jokes.

                      Hell I'll even link to some relevant music to make it entertaining and interesting.

                      But it is in no way intended as a character assassination.

                      It's all intended to be in good fact and good fun.

                      And I have to admit I've seen grammar school children less confused and less sensitive than some here.

                      If that's where the crazy and obvious false rebuttals are coming from you've never been in a real debate or in real science before.

                      Some of the greatest people on the planet won't and wouldn't abide lies and confusing/dodging BS.

                      That's how you learn, cut out all the BS right away and focus on what you don't know and what most never see. Let's face it if all the crap being put out was true the world would already be a informed and healthy place to live.

                      So since it's not and we all know it thinking outside the box is the only place to find the truth and the cures (if that's what you want to do).

                      No character assassination intended here, But if you attempt to assassinate my character you will find out real quick that I fight fire with fire and facts trump (no president involved) bullshit lies every time.

                      There is never a stupid question, problem is you don't ask you tell even when most know better to…

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      HD, am I to believe that you think my CO2 post was to you? About you? Anything to do with you?

                      It was not. It was just a post.

                      It had 0 connection to anything you posted.

                      0, other than CO2. haha

                      A completely different, and not commonly talked about, or understood point about what is going on with CO2 behind the lies.

                      This, ruffled your feathers? hahahahaha

                    • I had a second and thought I would answer this one…

                      "HD, am I to believe that you think my CO2 post was to you?"

                      No I didn't think that… And actually the response was in reference to a different post entirely.

                      And my feathers weren't ruffled…

                      Just stating stuff in a general way about the subject at hand…

                      So could this be the reason some think I am a shithead?

                      If I don't mention your name (handle) directly, it's a blanket statement about the subject at hand not aimed at anyone in particular…

                      It's a blanket statement about the observation of the status quo and propaganda surrounding the subject being discussed…

                      So miscommunication and lies from the so called experts are our biggest problem…

                      And if I don't call you by name (handle) please don't think it's aimed at you personally, it's intended as a blanket statement about the subject at hand for all to read…

                      Miscommunication is the gremlin of all learning…

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      understood, the nature of the 1 dimension tool we are all sitting in front of.

                      we have to make the best of it, its what we have

              • Sure it was…

                That's a duh of all ding dang dumasses that would assume no one ever washed their hands before 1847.

                Pretty sure it would be obvious that cave men were doing it.

                But everyone at that time (1847) in medicine washed them out of the same bowl with the same plain water over and over again and (as you would expect under the circumstances) didn't wash them often or between every patient and it proliferated diseases. So he added antiseptic and frequent changes of the water. And the doctors of the time thought he was crazy.

                See how details get left out and people get the wrong impression?

                Hand washing? Always been around.

                Proper hand washing? Another story entirely…

                • slandermen Deadboy

                  Are you sggesting that egyptians, persians, chinese and others didn't use minerals and herbs for sanitation and hygeine?

                  • Nope just answering and trying to add some details on a post by code….

                    Tunes?

                    https://youtu.be/7xxgRUyzgs0

                    More (young buck) tunes?

                    https://youtu.be/aJg4OJxp-co

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      For HD. The script you're working from.
                      From the reviews, this is a crappy book.
                      Mebbe why your efforts fall flat.
                      Authors name is Pace.
                      A cousin of yours, drivel mutt?

                    • The human mind is a truly amazing thing…

                      Take for example a person that has nothing better to do than spout nothing one line insults and BS on line all the time on a environmental site of all places…

                      So what can we surmise of this particular person?

                      Well first he obviously knows nothing about radiation or even pollution in general but still hangs around a forum dedicated to these subjects and even on the off chance he does know something, that's not why he's here to begin with.

                      And then we can surmise he is unemployed, has no woman and must be a butt ugly feller or he would be on a dating site spewing crap all day every day instead of here. Of course with that personality I can see why a dating site would be a futile place for that one to post anything on.

                      And finally we know without much doubt that ole Danger Kiddy Games has some major mental and emotional problems and a need for attention even if it's attention from being a complete idiot.

                      So take a uneducated, unemployed, mentally and emotionally deficient person.

                      Add a cheap computer and internet connection, some unemployment benefits (what am I thinking you would actually have had to work to get those) welfare…

                      And sprinkle on some real emotional problems.

                      What do you get?

                      Danger Trolling Dumbass Kitty.

                      Don't you care that you are worthless?

                      Your name and icon speak volumes here.

                      Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this one didn't still live at home with his mommy.

                  • Oh yea and some of them intentionally put wine and water in lead containers too…

                    I'd dare you to tell them they were wrong for doing it too…

                    Instant death from unnatural causes would have ensued back then as they were insane from lead poisoning and actually believed they were doing something good for themselves…

                    That's how crazy blindly listening to and believing what someone told you is.

        • Unfortunately it is nuclear radiation. So much nuclear waste which is extremely radioactive was dumped under the ice. It melts the methane which heats the atmosphere 80 times more than CO2. The nuclear accidents and high altitude nuclear tests and all the space shots which all thins atmosphere and all the HAARP microwaves used to create lightning and rain and CERN experiments, and there is all the methane from cows and other animals grown for eating. There is also a huge amount of methane released with oil exploration and fracking. With a thinner atmosphere UV levels are increasing all the time and the ozone hole gets larger and larger.

          the human species is too stupid to fix the problem.

          With 7.5 billion people, how many acres are there on the surface of the earth?

          There there is all the destruction from oil exploration in the ocean such as in the Gulf of Mexico and all the oil spills. How much methane is released then? With all the plankton dying from nuclear radiation, there is much less oxygen. Once the ice is melted there will be no way to moderate temperature spikes and people will fry, and with the seas rising people will drown and there will be less land to cultivate or live on. Obviously instead of saying humans aren't to blame, humans should be looking for solutions instead of saying insanely, there a glacial period coming. Can anyone live in a glacial age or a nuclear age or both? The answer is no.

          • How Nuclear Power Causes Global Warming… (w/Guest: Harvey Wasserman)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFV8d2UvBtE

          • slandermen Deadboy

            Blaming it on nuclear is a bit much imo. It probably contributes, but…

            Hundreds of years of mining and related waste, deforestation, agricultural changes, huge amounts of manufacturing and simply operating pollution.

            I'd kinda have to consider that shit to be quite significant, looking at some ecological changes. But again, I'm not an expert.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              Personally I do think there is climate change, I don't think it's nearly as related to co2 as some scientists, corporations and governments would like to suggest though.

              I certainly don't think they can or want to help, anyway. So that kinda makes that point moot, imo. I mean anything, like tax, they're gonna propose is based on "economic sustainability" yet requires more damaging industry.

              Looking at the history, I'm not going to trust or support them. Even if I agree with them. It is what it is.

              It is also pretty obvious that the sun has a fairly significant effect on the earth, so ignoring that seems dumb to me.

              Because 99.997% of everything is irrelevant without the sun.

            • And I would guess that you didn't read the article.

              • slandermen Deadboy

                Which one? The post I replied to had no article.

                I don't always want to read bullshit, anyway.

                  • slandermen Deadboy

                    Well, I still think it contributes. I just don't consider it causative. Imo, that article is not all that compelling, tbh.

                  • Yea doc!!

                    I've said it many times anything you have to cool for 5 years with water after it serves NO purpose what so ever is a problem for global warming…

                    Any industry that produces so much heat that it kills the fish all around it (coal doesn't even do that) is going to be a global warmer…

                    Any material that stays hot for 100 years while producing nothing and that heat source can't be shut off by any method known is not global warming friendly.

                    Clean? Nope

                    Green? Nope again!

                    Safe? Must be on dope to even think that is true, much less try to convince someone else it is.

                    Nuclear is the very definition of a global warmer.

                    Start a toxic fire that can't be put out and will produce high levels of heat for 50 years with NO way to stop it?

                    Insane global warmer.

                    That's just too simple to be complicated.

                  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                    Sorry, as much as I don't like nukes.
                    Or big Power.
                    Corps and .gov

                    Lighting a match adds heat,,,closed system called an…atmosphere.

                    Nukes add heat, not an excessive amount,
                    by comparison to their competition, steam generation of all kinds.

                    Why? Numbers

                    Fossil Fuel 63%
                    Nukes 20%

                    https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=2

                    They all require 'cooling'.
                    Heat rejected, into the atmosphere.

                    They are not the big player when it comes to this "global heating". Outnumbered 3 to 1.

                    Yes, they require cooling spent fuel, still not a huge input,,,just not enough of them.

                    "As of December 31, 2016, there were about 8,084 power plants in the United States that have operational generators with nameplate electricity generation capacities of at least 1 megawatt (MW)."
                    https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=65&t=2

                    About 100- Nuke plants

                    Stick with issues they do really crappy with, and have few excuses for.

                    You do want to win, right?

                    • But here again we have fake percentages on parade…

                      That is based on operating heat…

                      What about cooling the spent rods for 5+ years?

                      Not in that equasion…

                      How about when they move them to vented dry casks (insane idea) and they continue to produce high heat for 25+ years?

                      What about the 50+ years that make heat over 150 degrees f ?

                      What about those numbers?

                      now add all the heat generated from digging a great big hole to put that crap in…

                      How about the heat generated to build the containers to store it in?

                      The heat generated to refine the ore?

                      The heat generated to mine it?

                      Sorry man but you are not even close on the percentages…

                      And if you want to wrap your head around reality, forget percentages all together and study the actual wattage it takes from the mine to the refining, to the construction, to the manufacture of fuel bundles (all fossil fuel powered) to the cooling after the fact, to the storage container manufacture, to the deep mine long term storage construction and then add in the heat produced while operating (cradle to grave) and then give me a percentage for nuclear instead of being lied to with some crazy half baked percentage number…

                      You've been lied to, time to figure that sad fact out man.

                    • Oh and don't forget the construction of these plants that take a decade to produce and how many never produce enough electricity to light a single Christmas tree bulb.

                      There's ya some wasted heat match boy….

                    • So you may want to get out your calculator and a scrap piece of paper and start the comparison, to save time you could stop your research after you understand that nuclear power produces more heat than the 7000 other power sources in the US do…

                      You do want to win right?

                      https://youtu.be/noywldZEfq4?t=11s

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      HD, I like playing games right. Especially when it involves physics, strategy and kung-fu.

                      When I play this game I'm talking about, some people don't seem to understand that I don't play to win, according to the rules of aikido.

                    • Great post DB…

                      Same here man…

                      I defend and educate and try never to hurt.

                      Not always possible, but it is a effort.

                      It's always better to embarrass than to hurt and always better to engage than to turn away…

                      When a attack comes follow with strength instead of weakness and defend instead of quickly reaching out or attempting to physically harm.

                      Here is my favorite:

                      https://youtu.be/DxyMZtA452k

                      And live happy when it's hard…

                      Anyone can be happy when it's easy…

                      and the kung foo?

                      This guy is a great one :-)!

                      https://youtu.be/FMObHRmVF9E

                      Just don't ever be this guy…

                      https://youtu.be/rHfKKQ0luPo

                      Oh and I like the thumb tricks too…

                      https://youtu.be/K9f0cMhvqa0

                      Just kiddin :-)…

                      Here's the real thumb grabs…

                      https://youtu.be/USUbB-kg6P4?t=34s

                      And real physics?

                      Michel van Biezen:

                      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiGxYawhEp4QyFcX0R60YdQ

                  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                    HD,,,take all your argument in front of a Nuclear Engineer.

                    He will rip off your head and shit down your neck on this.

                    I understand you don't seem to mind, or drink a lot, or whatever, when you are here. I would love to see you speak to some nuke people in public, put your mouth where your imagination is, so to speak.

                    Now, some links to back up your lunatic spent fuel claims would be a start.
                    I, have already run this exercise.

                    You can do it in BTU, KWH, Horsepower equivalents, Joules, I don't give a fuck, I'm good with any of it.

                    That you have nothing, is your life story here
                    Lets see something…

                    Or just keep quoting/linking utoob and hammering a JD bottle.

                    Guess we'll see what ya got, huh.

                    • Put me on the payroll and I'll do your research for you AST, if you cant see the obvious truth there you just aren't looking at all, right place or not.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Well, I guess we could try that out.
                      I usually have 10 or so 'pre-interview' questions at the meet 'n greet.
                      If that goes good, a full interview, 8 hr day of Q&A in person/on site, likely an offer to follow, it is narrowed to 2/3 candidates. 35-50% chance of hire.
                      A good time, $500 comp+ expenses.
                      I am always scouting, the field is wide open. And I get a little reward. 🙂

                      We could open with 2 questions, if your up to it? Maybe 10 total, over a few posts?

                      Lets do it!

                      1) Nuclear power production is approx. 11% of world power totals. They require significant power over a period of time for spent fuel cooling pools. A good estimate would be?

                      a) 100% of their power for 100yrs
                      b) 5%-10% for 5-10yrs
                      c) 20% for 20yrs
                      d) 50% for 50 yrs

                      A lot of heat is created with power production. Some like to think 'cradle to grave'. It is appropriate.
                      Would you consider the point of use, the consumer, and associated heat gain/loss to the planet as part of that process?

                      a) yes, it would be significant
                      b) no, has nothing to do with it.

                      Now, you can take exception, explain, show links/proof, about anything goes, but, it may create a follow up question.

                      The point is to demonstrate how you think and reason. It is important to an employer

                      Good Luck! 3 or 4 rounds to go!

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      the rats are lining up to watch…H-Dee is gonna learn AirSep on thermo. You go H_Dee

                      now are ya gonna use the life cycle or the total energy analysis? Dont fergit the zeroth law of thermodynamics; if naught and naught are in equilibrium with naught, then naught and naught are in equilibrium with each other. That will help you in the days to come

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agh4IrOaY8c

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Indeed!
                      I remember when a certain doctor, it took me about 34 post actually get it, the difference, or maybe it was the similarity, how the calorie count of a Snickers bar, a fly hovering, and a CERN collider Collision, all had a mEv friendship so to speak.
                      Good Times.
                      I wonder what happened to quote we but them finally unquote or something like that poster. They had a nice slice of pie as well.
                      Crap, I see my phone VR is wacky looking I'm trying to talk and make money with a mouse in the other
                      Be back later, bad moment to screw something up.

                    • AirSepTech, nuclear power plant DO NOT provide 11% of the world's energy. It only provides 11% of the world's electricity.

                      Think of all the various heating and transportation uses of other fossil fuels, hydro power, biofuels, etc.

                    • I should have also listed solar, wind, wave power as well.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      ANNE– Please quote my statement on "ENERGY"…IF you can find that. Please
                      THANK YOU

                      "Nuclear power production is approx. 11% of world power totals."

                      POWER 'is' 'electric'…. when in a transmission line. Correct?

                      AND

                      "I should have also listed solar, wind, wave power as well."

                      POWER? Do you mean 'ELECTRIC' ?

                      I will be covering THERMAL POWER-ELECTRIC
                      as soon as I lay some basework.

                      Would you like to join in?

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Bill Gates CO2 TerraPower

                      Good stuff @ 13:20 or so

                      https://www.co2.earth/step-6-transformative-changes

                      Hope I'm dead by then, surely they will want one at INL. He sounds no different than all the past dreamers.

                    • Solar with present technology could provide 4 times all the world's total energy. That's total energy, not just for electricy.

                      We don't even need nuclear energy and surely can't afford it and it is already killing everything on the planet. Total energy includes much more than just electrical energy. Are airplanes running on electrical energy? Are people just using electricity to heat their homes? Etc., etc.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Power is energy per unit time. The power output or capacity of an electric plant can be expressed in units of megawatts electric (MWe). The electric efficiency of a conventional thermal power plant, considered as saleable energy (in MWe) produced at the plant busbars as a percent of the heating value of the fuel consumed, is typically 33% to 48% efficient. This efficiency is limited as all heat engines are governed by the laws of thermodynamics (See: Carnot cycle). The rest of the energy must leave the plant in the form of heat. This waste heat can go through a condenser and be disposed of with cooling water or in cooling towers. If the waste heat is instead utilized for district heating, it is called cogeneration. An important class of thermal power station are associated with desalination facilities; these are typically found in desert countries with large supplies of natural gas and in these plants, freshwater production and electricity are equally important co-products.

                      Since the efficiency of the plant is fundamentally limited by the ratio of the absolute temperatures of the steam at turbine input and output, efficiency improvements require use of higher temperature, and therefore higher pressure, steam.

                      http://thermal-powerplant.blogspot.com/search/label/Thermal%20Power%20Plant%20Efficiency

                      I will ask you again, WHERE DID I SAY

                      ENERGY ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

                      "AirSepTech, nuclear power plant DO NOT provide 11% of the world's energy."

                      NO SHIT ?

                    • razzz razzz

                      I'll play along.

                      Questions are a bit leading but

                      1. is B

                      Unnumbered 2. is B

                      The creation of spent fuel is the (core) problem.

                      Again, a power plant creates the heat onsite including wasted heat, nuke plants being about 30% efficient, how and where the heat units are transferred makes no difference after generation.

                      Aside: 'LICORICE'
                      https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-881/licorice

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      After 30+ posts, for YOU to understand power and energy…I have failed? bummer

                      Why, oh why, would you think that I, of all people, would say…Nuclear plants produce ANY % of WORLD energy. All types of ENERGY. ??

                      Biomass and cow farts?
                      Geothermal?
                      Landfill gas (methane)?
                      Mechanical–like a punkin-chucker?
                      How about a trebuchet…
                      Springs
                      Expansion turbines/generators

                      Did you want to join in?

                      I'm going to lay out the top 10 'thermal power plants' and compare heat input to heat output, waste heat, delivered power/energy, and 'point of use' loss estimates. To measure/estimate total environmental heat gain.

                      The types covered:
                      Nuclear power plants use a nuclear reactor's heat to operate a steam turbine generator. About 20% of electric generation in the USA is produced by nuclear power plants.
                      •Fossil fuelled power plants may also use a steam turbine generator or in the case of natural gas fired plants may use a combustion turbine. A coal-fired power station produces electricity by burning coal to generate steam, and has the side-effect of producing a large amount of carbon dioxide, which is released from burning coal and contributes to global warming. About 50% of electric generation in the USA is produced by coal fired power plants
                      •Geothermal power plants use steam extracted from hot underground rocks.
                      •Renewable energy plants or Biomass Fuelled Power Plants may be fuelled by waste from sugar cane, municipal solid waste, landfill methane, or…

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Renewable energy plants or Biomass Fuelled Power Plants may be fuelled by waste from sugar cane, municipal solid waste, landfill methane, or other forms of biomass.
                      •In integrated steel mills, blast furnace exhaust gas is a low-cost, although low-energy-density, fuel.
                      •Waste heat from industrial processes is occasionally concentrated enough to use for power generation, usually in a steam boiler and turbine.
                      •Solar thermal electric plants use sunlight to boil water, which turns the generator.

                      http://thermal-powerplant.blogspot.com/2010/05/thermal-power-plant-classification.html

                      ARE you in ANNE?

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      razzz ain't skeered.

                      I did miss the 2).

                      However, 2) is general 'power production' no holds barred.

                      "A lot of heat is created with power production. Some like to think 'cradle to grave'. It is appropriate.
                      Would you consider the point of use, the consumer, and associated heat gain/loss to the planet as part of that process?"

                      You are right, it is a bit tricky. It is the way my biz 'brain picks'. Kid you not, we do 100 questions, 95% to pass.

                      What I am trying to convey- after all the losses/waste to make it and send it, it makes plenty more heat at its end point use
                      It is all heat gain to the planet.
                      Asphalt, cars/windows, etc. Lots of heat.

                      Hydro/PV/Wind do pretty good, re heat, we really need storage…NOW.
                      I think we may have a new environmental problem with that, hope it resolves.
                      It needs to hurry along before this SMR stuff roots in.

                    • If you are talking to me, I've taken at least 7 university classes on energy, one of which was at the graduate level.

                      Nuclear energy only provides a tiny percent of the world's whole energy needs.

                      There isn't enough uranium in the world to provide any more than a tiny fraction of the world's energy needs, and that only for a finite number of years.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Why do this?
                      Every so often, the 'urban legend' comes around, 'nukes plants are heating and killing off the planet' because of their 'massive heat losses'.

                      Even with cradle to grave in mind, fuel cycle, build, decommission, terminal fuel storage, etc. they do not eclipse all other forms of energy use/power production.

                      If we are talking heat gain to the planet that is.

                      Not possible.

                      Not happening in the USA @ 20% nuke power
                      Certainly not the world @ 11%

                      Now, does this mean I like nukes. NO

                      It means I want to know what I am talking about if I happen to be in discussions about it.

                      Have this discussion about France.
                      Ukraine, Belgium, Sweden if you must.
                      % of waste heat created by nuke power.
                      By country.
                      Not going to be a long discussion though.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      "Nuclear energy only provides a tiny percent of the world's whole energy needs."

                      Well I would agree with that.

                      I would also think it would be intuitive, that it may not be a very large contributor to "planet warming".

                      Contribute-Yes, and yes, needless extra even when not in production. About 5% of its rated output.

                      Big player?

                      How?

                      "There isn't enough uranium in the world to provide any more than a tiny fraction of the world's energy needs, and that only for a finite number of years."

                      Watch the Bill Gates vid, it is now 8 years ago. Huge supply, seawater extraction. It is happening, along with freshwater INSITU.
                      Burning spent fuel or U238 at 90+%.
                      Something needs to stop it.
                      Or they will do it.

                      nite.

                    • Extraction of uranium from seawater: a few facts

                      EPJ Nuclear Sci. Technol. 2, 10 (2016)

                      “…However, for a number of reasons the extraction of significant amounts of uranium from seawater remains today more a dream than a reality. Firstly, pumping the seawater to extract this uranium would need more energy than what could be produced with the recuperated uranium. Then if trying to use existing industrial flow rates, as for example on a nuclear power plant, it appears that the annual possible quantity remains very low. In fact huge quantities of water must be treated. To produce the annual world uranium consumption (around 65,000 tU), it would need at least to extract all uranium of 2 × 1013 tonnes of seawater, the volume equivalent of the entire North Sea. In fact only the great ocean currents are providing without pumping these huge quantities, and the idea is to try to extract even very partially this uranium. For example Japan, which used before the Fukushima accident about 8,000 tU by year, sees about 5.2 million tU passing every year, in the ocean current Kuro Shio in which it lies. A lot of research works have been published on the studies of adsorbents immersed in these currents. Then, after submersion, these adsorbents are chemically treated to recuperate the uranium. Final quantities remain very low in comparison of the complex and costly operations to be done in sea. …[cont]

                    • [cont.] One kilogram of adsorbent, after one month of submersion, yields about 2 g of uranium and the adsorbent can only be used six times due to decreasing efficiency. The industrial extrapolation exercise made for the extraction of 1,200 tU/year give with these values a very costly installation installed on more than 1000 km2 of sea with a lot of boats for transportation and maintenance. The ecological management of this huge installation would present significant challenges. This research will continue to try to increase the efficiency of these adsorbents, but it is clear that it would be very risky today, to have a long-term industrial strategy based on significant production of uranium from seawater with an affordable cost.”
                      https://www.epj-n.org/articles/epjn/full_html/2016/01/epjn150059/epjn150059.html

                    • Ok AST I'll play along…

                      But it will be a day or so before I'll have the time…

                      Lotta work right now and my brother just checked into the hospital yesterday.

                      I'll start a new thread and answer you first 2 questions tomorrow (probably)…

                      This should be allot of fun and a great learning experience!

                      Just be honest and shoot strait with me! Don't be trying to nitpick or fool us with trick questions.

                      And hopefully some others will jump in there too.

                      And if your'e going to do multiple choice, you should include "none of the above" on all your questions" to make it even more interesting.

                      Looking forward to it man!

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Monday ok?
                      iam piled up, work, family calls. 2 phones

                      trying to run our farmers mkt stall as well the otherhalf is 'eyeballing' me

                      Monday or as time permits. later

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      too hard to focus on good detail/communication

                    • razzz razzz

                      Interesting. The consumer can create more energy than what is generated? I don't think so. Whether toasting bread or firing an electric kiln, consumers can't produce more energy than what is available. That includes solar where it appears the energy available is unlimited until the sun goes down. IOW, the power/heat in electric lines in only stored energy being dissipated after generation from the source be it coal, gas, nuke, etc. Some solar energy is being stored in trees to be released later, not a net gain since it takes time for a tree to grow.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      No razzz, I don't think the consumer is 'producing power' either.

                      If this infers that, I can clarify:

                      "What I am trying to convey- after all the losses/waste to make it and send it, it makes plenty more heat at its end point use
                      It is all heat gain to the planet."

                      That last, final, miserably small 30% or so unit of power delivered to your home/business. It produces heat as well.
                      30% of anything is fairly significant.

                      People like to blame the 'producer' for it.
                      The consumer has direct control of 30%.
                      And one could say indirect control of the other 70% or so.
                      Give or take a little.

                      Your absolutely right on the nukes 'core' problem. Cooling spent fuel, and its impact on their miserable 30% plant efficiencies. Maybe SFpools are included, or maybe it takes them to 25%. It's obscene.

                      Something for all of us to keep in mind:

                      They can not make what we do not take.
                      Do your best to take less.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_power_station#Thermal_power_generation_efficiency

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Round 2 in the "Nuclear Power is disproportionately 'heating the planet'" series Q&A, aka 'who is cooking my goose'.

                      Primer, posted no less than 4 times:

                      How Nuclear Power Causes Global Warming… (w/Guest: Harvey Wasserman)
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFV8d2UvBtE

                      The issue of discussion begins @ 6:29

                      The Goal? To dismiss some common myths, and avoid looking like a fool in public.

  • Is uranium mining in Wyoming going to cause an active volcano in Yellowstone? The Russians have threatened to cause a volcano from Yellowstone. So why are we allowing them to mine uranium there?

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Yeah but they said they'll use EMP for that. Otoh, it's probably better/easier to have some sort of amplifying effect if you have local access there, too.

      • slandermen Deadboy

        Just imagine, the sun will have some sort of of freak CME related carrington event or something, after a period of persistent coronal holes.

        Then all the democrats can say it's the Russians. Strangely, regardless of how incorrect it is, they will blame climate change and republicans.

        Republicans will probably go with that, also avoiding any sort of truth or admission and agree with the democrats, that indeed, the soviets are terrorizing america by threatening sovereign oil production. Demanding increased military related production and support for the liberation of oil in ethiopia. Which is somehow now the focal point in the superficial republican vs democrat debate.

        Also, russia found their way there and apparently institutions like the CFR which is heavily supported by influential democrats and republican corporate types alike suggests that the presence of ISIL (somehow, having acquired numerous american, russian, japanese and english machinery and weaponry with basically absolutely no budget or support, after being supplied that?!?) is absolutely necessary to curb christian fundamentalis terrorism and to provide bill gates promoted and sponsored agricultural, medical and educational reform.

        Isn't it obvious? Bill gates knows what's best for Kenya,

  • Jebus Jebus

    I have to use logic and question the odds.

    http://sdwebx.worldbank.org/climateportal/

    Against a couple of avatars…

    • slandermen Deadboy

      If it wasn't for Johnny Carson, would George W Bush be known?

      It's pretty subtle.

      "So that kinda makes that point moot, imo. I mean anything, like tax, they're gonna propose is based on "economic sustainability" yet requires more damaging industry."

      https://www.naturalnews.com/046791_Ukraine_GMOs_Monsanto.html

      I laugh.

    • Ambiorix Ambiorix

      "Against a couple.."

      Against..where did that came from all of the sudden…

      • Jebus Jebus

        Are you going to prove all that data wrong?

        Maybe I should have said a few…

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Jebus…I dont understand either. What logic, what odds, which avatars?

          So far, I cant get much out of the world bank climate portal. What did you get? I cant find a way to compare changes in the historical data for example.

          Im not a climate change or Co2 denier. I looked at the long term data and saw we are at the lower end of Co2 levels and came close to non survive-ability. Thats something you never hear.

          Just read that tropical frogs and bees have been around for 100 million years. Co2 reached 2000 ppm and has generally been on the decrease. http://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

          So I couple this data with the observation that temperature has preceded C02 levels, not followed, historically, and the finding that climate can be accounted for by solar and cosmic ray changes, and a view of climate change radically different than mainstream emerges.

          But thats as far as I take it. Except that man is polluting the earth. A poisoned earth means a poisoned ecosphere, and its the ecosphere which drives climate even more than C02 changes.

          If scientists and politicians talked about reforesting the earth, reversing desertification, minimizing pollution any way possible, and reversing human population, this would make great sense to me.

          In my opinion, they should all be deeply ashamed of themselves

          But sure, its possible man increased the Co2 and its possible this will affect climate

          • Jebus Jebus

            "Hence the urgency to investigate" in a post above.

            That urgency is not being embraced in many ways with this current cycle of US politics, which does not reflect the world consensus, that all those scientists, polled for their views, over the years, represent.

            Sure it means more entitlements and grants of taxpayer money.

            Then I go back up and rewatch Bernies most recent video…

  • Jebus Jebus

    Maybe we should take all the data and convert it to buckets of seawater…

    http://www.ipcc-data.org/

  • Trump’s Pick to Lead Weather Agency Spent 30 Years Fighting It

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-14/trump-s-pick-to-lead-weather-agency-spent-30-years-fighting-it

    Let's turn the National Weather Service into the likes of the EPA…okay.

  • code sayeth
    "The real estate wealth extraction scheme has created feudalism. When stock sings praises about Trump upholding U.S. sovereignty, its simply fake news. rhetoric. Smoke and mirrors, hypocrisy and deeply disturbing."

    You might as well face you got Trumphobia!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      "You might as well face you got Trumphobia!"

      Spoken like a true Trump apologist.

      Trump has killed more people then Charles Manson with no more remorse, stole more money from the public than Madoff;

      "as detailed during the presidential campaign, Trump’s tax plan would give $6.2 trillion in tax breaks, according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, mostly benefitting the rich and big corporations" meanwhile his budget cuts $3.6 trillion in benefits and services our impoverished citizens depend on

      Trump endorses torture and Duterte, sells weapons and more to Saudi Arabia

      He sold out our sovereign lands and waters to foreign exploitation…

      I could go on for a while but stop and think how your endorsement for Trump appears. Its radical man. Your hero is a pro nuke, narcissistic business brat that kills without remorse. Thats the kind of guy you put on a pedestal. Thats pretty weird I think

      Trump is your man, your hero, the savior of the U.S. the greatest president in history. Seriously? Theres no way forward for our country or the world if people have that kind of mentality

    • How can someone be the greatest president ever when they have never been and refuse to be in compliance with the Constitution or follow the basic laws governing his office? The man is a grifter and a fraud. A flim-flam carny.

      • trumpery….

        attractive articles of little value or use.
        • practices or beliefs that are superficially or visually appealing but have little real value or worth.
        adjective
        showy but worthless: trumpery jewelry.
        • delusive or shallow: that trumpery hope which lets us dupe ourselves.
        ORIGIN late Middle English (denoting trickery): from Old French tromperie, from tromper ‘deceive.’

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Is it Trumphobia when you know he's a lying cunt, you're probably a lying cunt, certainly not capable of admission, very deflective, kinda fucking stupid and possibly suffering from some sort of delusion?

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      No, not really.
      That's more like the vast majority of the 2 parties we are stuck with, mired in the same exact place for 40+ years.

      Trumpphobia is more like a manifest obsession of this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbzIVR1OaAY

      Sure, it could happen.
      I doubt it will be world altering.
      There is some risk in everything.

      All things in balance. Sometimes a few bricks help.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Okay here's an interesting question. As the Devil, playing Devil's Advocate, I insist you consider this.

    If you had a bunch of nuclear power plants, with just enough related mining (in very select places), without all the bomb tests, weapons predication, oncology/medical related shit…AND you had competent leadership, high manufacturing, management and operating standards, realistic and truthful admission of possible and actual damage.

    Is it just me, or would it seem that nuclear power wouldn't seem so bad then?

    Oh shit.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Have you guys tried lecturing birds on how to fly, lately? Maybe you've been trying to convince the insects that carbon sequestering is in their interest? When you suggest to replace plants, with arrogant industrial imitations, how do you think they interpret your philosophies?

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      I thought the 'wall of fans' Co2 contraption was a choice POS.

      However, capitalism and cuisine say a Chik-Filet or KFC nearby are a winner.

      We are a lost tribe.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        I went into Chik-fil-A last week. It was the first time I had actually went in and sat down. Someone gave me a coupon for a fee chicken sandwich. I am glad it was a Christian establishment and all that.

        But… The meat was dry. The chicken surface was slick, so it kept trying to slip out of the bun while I ate it.

        It was nice of them to hire such an old woman to clean the tables, but she could not possibly keep up. I was going to put my tray trash in the little hole over the trash can. I just set my tray over the hole…

        I had a coupon good for either w chicken samich or a sausage or something. When I ordered, I said I wanted the chicken samich and gave the coupon. The girl was pointing at the picture of the samich…

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          I was going to put my tray trash in the little hole (It was overflowing with trash )

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Teaching Chappie Chicken https://youtu.be/YnVzBUl5jQs?t=188

          We need symbols to represent nuclear meltdowns, volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, dead people, f–d up children, etc. with slashes across them for the ignorant.

          Decostruct and criticize ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR2TI0hfg7A

          The wall of fans seems to be for making people think that dirty power plants don't need scrubbers because there are poor factories in the desert or the middle of nowhere that need carbon to scrub to make money. First I heard of it, I had to look it up.

          Let's take mufflers off the cars, there are elves at the North Pole that need that shit

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        … it was like all these years of symbols replacing words on instruction manuals and on products had rendered words ineffective. I must now instruct the server with a picture, as though I was teaching the robot in Neil Blomkamps sci-fi movie, "Chappie"

        Chi-ken. Chiii- kennn.

        Whatever. Rubber chicken would have slid out on the table if I had not skillfully manipulated it. Next time I will just eat it dry and risk choking.

        I believe in Jesus, so that's OK. …

        The bar stool I was sitting in was so tall, I was uncomfortably standing/ sitting? No napkins at the table. No condiments at the table. Praise the Lord, had there been any more ketchup there I may have shot that meat-stick and hit someone in the eye.

        You were sayin?

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Super, I got some games to play for…quite a while and there are some annoying stupid partisan fuckheads here. Time for math.

  • Jebus Jebus

    I find it kinda funny, anonymous scientists on a blog.

    I find it kinda sad, bootlicking trolls on a blog…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      ok, well stock isnt here so Ill have to fill in. The Manafort indictment of conspiring to launder money and defraud the United States is just a witch hunt by liberals who are trying to bring Trump down on fake charges so he cant do business with Saudi Arabia and fight the NWO. Sheesh…its so obvious

      Best president since the Jurassic period

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Okay one more try got a little lag time to wait on.
        If you're going to be stock, someone needs to be your alter ego.

        Surely we can see there's a competition problem, manafort, Clinton, Houma and the wiener boy, all lined up at the Saudi pig trough. I'm really surprised they all haven't moved over there to stick their head in the sand. Surely they can find some.

        Don't know about best president, but the best hair is a no-brainer. The combadeer on that mop needs a metal. Makes a high price rug obsolete. I guess at least one high paying job is a bonus too

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          Now you are stock, and I am your alter-ego. Considering the past, it's not hard to figure out where this is going. I know where I got to go though. Later

          • PlowboyGrownUp

            Code, I've been taking those minerals you recommended, a few days now, seems to be enhancing.

            • danger kitty danger kitty

              Code, Ive been taking mivita, too.
              It's a subtle rise in energy level so far. It would probably be more noticeable, but I've been working in 100° heat. That takes energy level back the other way.

              Trace elements like mivita are real important for plants. Real important for people wprking in heat. Electrolyte balance. Glad to have found a good one. Thanks.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Hi Plowboy and danger….I see mivita as a trace mineral thing that has some interesting effects on tissue and also cleansing of the GI tract. I dont think of it as a general mineral supplement because it lacks a balance of the primary minerals. For that, I would go for something like 'ionic fizz' if I could afford it. Of course juicing veggies is pretty good for minerals.

                my experience and mentors taught me the magic of 'purification'. That means fasts and a pure diet of largely raw fruits and veggies. On such a program, mivita can be a powerful regenerative adjunct. Its not clear to me exactly why, on a chemical, biological scientific basis. Its not just 'filling in the nutritional holes', it has an 'effect'

                Fasting or very low calorie fast mimicking is a powerful way to reset metabolic factors, as Mercola and Valter Longo describe. But this is not the same as purification. Razzz mentioned Arnold Ehret. His views on biology seem quirky and unscientific in light of the advancement in biological science, but his experience speaks to the unique level of health obtainable.

                I never did achieve it, but I personally know people who did. Its a remarkable transformation.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Ehret describes his experience

                  "An indescribable feeling never known before of better health, more vital energy, better efficiency, and more endurance and strength came to me and gave me great joy and happiness just to be alive. This was not only of the physical, but there was a great change in my mental ability to perceive, to remember, greater courage and hope, and above all an insight into the spiritual which became like a sunrise, throwing light upon all higher and spiritual problems. All my faculties were improved, far surpassing their best during my healthiest and best youth. My physicial efficiency and endurance became wonderfully increased. I took a bicycle trip of about 800 miles, from Algiers to Tunis, accompanied by a trained bicyclist who lived on ordinary diet. I was never behind him but often ahead towards night when endurance became the test. Keep in mind that I was formerly a candidate for death, so declared by the doctors, but now jubilant that I could surpass the most efficient, and a constant joy of exhilaration having escaped the "slaughter house" of mankind, called "Scientific Medical Clinics."

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        Hey stock, there are now a lot more earthquakes, and some bigger at the volcano in Hawaii. A few eq's are further out to, whatever that means.

        • slandermen Deadboy

          stock here

          Hey GOM, I have been smelling a lot of methane wherever I've been. Lol.

          Judging by recent activity I think a large earthquake is going to make a volcano shoot its load and give birth to a new island and possibly also taking away some beach, on or before the 23rd of june.

          stock out

  • slandermen Deadboy

    I spoke to a russian forensics guy while playing some games earlier. He told me about a new drug, black market name is syrothin.

    I suspect it has some nootropics in it, prl-8-147, prl-8-53 is probably related/similar.

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Effects include hypermnesia and/or death within 5 days. They haven't actually been able to assay it properly.

      • slandermen Deadboy

        Oh he also mentioned it costs about $20k per gram (actually not sure if he meant dollars), containing exotic tropical plant compounds, likely south/central american and that it may involve a brazilian chemist named diego marcello. And apparently he may have just been apprehended in washington.

        This is the sort of stupid shit I hear.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    I'm gonna try something.

    CropsFeelInternet
    MuchTryRadiation
    DetainNavySoft
    NativeIntelligenceResist
    PeopleFrontWorth
    UpModernOr
    FixSomeChange

    I'm gonna let that thing think instead of the alcohol, for a while.

  • Ambiorix Ambiorix

    Trump continues to falsely claim there's a law on family separation, blames Democrats

    Roughly 50 children a day are being taken from their parents after they cross the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). But on Friday, President Trump insisted he's not the one separating families.

    "The Democrats forced that law upon our nation. I hate it," he said.

    The fact that there is no such law did not stop the president from repeating his assertion half a dozen times.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-continues-to-falsely-claim-theres-a-law-on-family-separation/

    • Ambiorix Ambiorix

      Henry A. Giroux: Trump’s Relentless Lies Demand We Make Truth-Telling Great Again

      US President Donald Trump is a serial liar who appears to exult, if not take pride, in every petty deceit, particularly if it casts him into the glare of publicity.

      With Trump meeting with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un in Singapore in a highly anticipated summit this week, it’s worth a reminder: Not unlike Kim, Trump lies to hide the brutality of his cruel policies. He lies to discredit reliable sources of information and to discredit those public institutions that educate a public to create informed citizens who are able to distinguish between the truth and falsehoods.

      He has lied about the summit. He can’t help himself. And now he has not only lied about what took place at the summit, he has also insulted Justin Trudeau for reporting about what the signatories agreed to.

      The Washington Post reports that in his first 466 days in office, Trump has made more than “3,001 false or misleading statements,” averaging “about nine claims a day.”

      Trump has lied, along with a tsunami of other fabrications, about former president Barack Obama’s birthplace, he’s made false claims about why he did not win the popular vote, he’s stated he knew nothing about payments prior to his election to the porn star Stormy Daniels, and he’s wrongly declared that the US is the highest taxed nation in the world.

      https://truthout

  • Ambiorix Ambiorix

    The Trump Administration’s Plan to Hand a Coral Ecosystem to the Fishing Industry

    In April 2017, President Donald Trump signed an executive order directing Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to produce a review, declaring that America’s network of national monuments is the result of “an egregious abuse of power” and “a massive federal land grab.”

    Zinke’s ensuing review proposes changes to 10 monuments: It recommends that the size of four be reduced, and that economic activity, such as commercial fishing, mining and logging, be reinstated in another six. Even before the final review was released Dec. 5, 2017, Trump began to take action on these recommendations, cutting Bear Ears National Monument by 85 percent and shrinking Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to half of its original size to pave the road for oil and gas exploration.

    Zinke’s recommendation also issues an equally dangerous attack on marine monuments in both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans. He recommends shrinking the Pacific Remote Islands Marine Monument, a network of islands and atolls that forms the world’s largest marine reserve at nearly 500,000 square nautical miles. Zinke also advocated that the commercial fishing ban in the monument’s waters be revoked.

    https://truthout.org/articles/the-trump-administrations-plan-to-hand-a-coral-ecosystem-to-the-fishing-industry/

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Why plant protein is better for you than animal protein
    Sorry, steak fans." https://www.popsci.com/plant-protein-healthier

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Why not more insect farms? Like, organic crops, no pesticides.

      Can't be worse than typical agricultural or just cultural tendencies in general.

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        🙂 GOM. Digestion is not covered in that article, unless I missed it.
        From a book – proteins are not absorbed into the bloodstream, they have to be cut into amino acids by the digestion process, largely by stomach acid (hydrochloric). The amino acids are absorbed. In 'leaky gut' some protein molecules will get absorbed and the body recognizes it as a foreign invader so inflammation sets in with fibro symptoms. Pretty sure I read that some fibro has been 'cured' by the patient being given hcl tablets at meals.

  • GOM GOM

    Aliso Canyon

    Investigation: Officials Can’t Say Porter Ranch Is Safe 2 Years After Gas Leak Was Capped
    May 15, 2018

    'Health Official'

    Angelo Bellomo with LA County 'Health'

    Bellomo admits they "don’t know what’s coming from the facility, because no nearby monitors measure chemicals other than methane".

    "There may be a lot of other chemicals coming from the field that are causing the symptoms".

    https://www.google.com/amp/losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/05/15/porter-ranch-gas-leak-aliso-canyon-ailments/amp/

    •••••••

    So, this smuck makes about 85k yr & is able to live in a million dollar home and drive a Mercedes Class E ??

    https://www.mylife.com/angelo-bellomo/ajbellomo5394u

    • GOM GOM

      Methane: 2.25ppm in Porter Ranch

      [*Miners evacuate at this reading]

      Here is the privately owned Health Tracker from above link

      https://environmentalhealthtracker.com

      ••••••
      ••••••

      *Hunter (1978) stated that miners evacuate coal pits when the methane concentration in air reaches 2.5% by volume.

      Methane | Emergency and Continuous Exposure Limits for Selected Airborne …
      The National Academies Press

      Emergency and Continuous Exposure Limits for Selected Airborne Contaminants: Volume 1

      https://www.nap.edu/read/689/chapter/10

      • slandermen Deadboy

        2,25 ppm is not 2.5%

        But yeah, considering what happened then, how long it's been going on it'd be kinda pointless looking at just current methane levels there, there also happened to radioactive shit and bunch of other toxins.

        • GOM GOM

          Dead..then calculate it

          So calculate the ppm in %. I can't do it. Need some help peeps.

          5% Methane is 50,000 ppm, so by half..25,000% ppm in the air? As per link.

          Is this correct? WTH is Code?

          https://www.levitt-safety.com/blog/units-of-measure-lel-vs-percent-by-volume-bv-vs-parts-per-million-ppm-vs-parts-per-billion-ppb/

          And human lives are not "pointless". Lots of folks living & buying property in Porter Ranch.

          • slandermen Deadboy

            Well it says 2.5 ppm in that first link. So, like 0.0000025%

            The reason I say it's pointless, because the methane won't be all that detectable for long, as well as that percentage there being rather low.

            The cumulative effects though, when you consider total methane releases, benzene, formaldehyde, uranium, etc. is going to be to completely different and a bit more important, relative to that.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            GOM, well at first blush, I would divide 2.25 parts per million (if that is the right figure) by one million. This should give the ratio of methane to air. 0.00000225. Then I move the decimal over two times to get this in percent (per 100) 0.000225%. Then I stand back and see where I made a stupid error and take a fast shot of liquor in a vain attempt to sooth my embarrassment

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              almost a consensus! 0.00025 vs 0.000225 percent. Lets get this pee reviewed, back in a minute….

              • Jebus Jebus

                A consensus is consensus until there is a consensus otherwise!

                • GOM GOM

                  J ..a methane internet consensus?

                  "Any methane spikes exceeding 2.5 ppm were classified as leaks".
                  Texas A&M pipeline study

                  ••••••

                  Ground-Level Ambient Methane Levels in. Manhattan, New York City, New …. 2.5 ppm
                  Report on a Preliminary Investigation of Ground-Level methane..gassafetyusa.com

                  ••••••

                  The initial headspace methane concentration was 2.5 ppm.
                  Oxidation and Assimilation of Atmospheric Methane by Soil …
                  American Society for Microbiology

                  And so on..
                  ••••••

                  Mass consensus of 2.5ppm..

                  "Any methane spikes exceeding 2.5 ppm are classified as leaks".

            • GOM GOM

              Embarrassment? For what? Not being 'a know it all'? YOU of all people should remember my 'growing up nuclear' on ENE. How many times have I come to you needing a explanation? With you yelling at me for not getting it.

              You should be, at the very least, entertained by the fact I still ask for your help.

              Stockholm Syndrome?

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                GOM, Im a LOT more humble than I think you think I am…
                But yeah, I dont like being wrong. An ego thing, I know

                regarding yelling, in my view it was GOM who historically instigated derision toward Code (if you allow me to use the third person). But, I will it admit it pissed me off enough to retaliate at times.

                regarding gas levels, it doesnt take much of a toxic gas to make a negative impact on biology. From formaldehyde to residential gas leaks, to known and unknown chemicals and dusts, this has been the story of my life. Its a kind of nightmare.

                Keep on keepin' on

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            GOM-easy to remember–the multiplier is 10,000

            Percent to ppm- 10%
            10*10000=100,000ppm
            This is easy to remember, most everyone can do it immediately

            ppm to %…divide by 10,000

            2.25ppm/10000= .00025%

            CO2 400ppm/10000= .04%

            Move the decimal 4 places,,, the 4 '0's' in the 10,000
            Remember the 'ppm number' will always be the larger number

            Practice it a few days. You won't remember how not to do it

  • GOM GOM

    Pope Francis Calls Nuclear Power Plants a Modern-Day Tower of Babel

    In an audience with Japanese Bishops, Pope Francis had criticized nuclear power by comparing it with the Tower of Babel, as reported by Takeo Okada, the Archbishop of Tokyo. When human beings attempted to reach heaven they triggered their own destruction.

    “The destruction of nature is a result from human beings claiming domination (over the earth).”
    With these statements
    the Pope referred to the TEPCO-nuclear disaster in Fukushima in March 2011.

  • Jebus Jebus

    If you focus in on the messenger, it is amusing…

    New Research Flips Global Warming ‘Consensus’ on its Head

    “But the ice losses we detect in West Antarctica are highly accurate, and outstrip by far the signal or uncertainty in East Antarctica,” he said.

    Zwally said the ice sheets are reacting to climate warming, but the question is when the receding started and how far it would go.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/new-research-flips-global-warming-consensus-on-its-head/

    Check the message, not so much…

  • Jebus Jebus

    Another aggregate here. Who cares if it's a goog api.

    Ignore all the messengers. Read as many messages as you can.

    http://www.carboncapturereport.org/

    Think about it. Then send your message…

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Just reminding you of the some money laundering and fraud opportunities. Universities in particular score highly there.

      heck this out. You got like 1.6 million charity institution things. What's your employed population? Maybe…150-200 million?

      You almost got a charity for every 100 people. I'm not saying there's isn't some good stuff there, but…It would seem to me that's an awful lot (some percentage of about $1.4 trillion) that could be used more directly.

      Like, if I give a hobo something, I know that hobo got it. If I give the Clinton or Gates foundations some shit, it'll probably be used to abuse children, so fuck that.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Anne, well this is the message in your link

      "Only the Biblical truth to wit man is made in the image of God, that he is a rational, moral creature who willfully sins and therefore needs a Savior, can make sense of this world and provide an assured hope of a better world to come for those who know their creator personally, the Lord Jesus Christ"

      If only people could grasp that such a statement is grossly egomaniacal and anthropocentric, projective and purely speculative. Alas, no, they dont have the brains for it

      From all that I have learned, the statement is false on all five (six?) points it purports to be undeniable truth. Of course you have the claim of middle eastern men of 1700 years ago that 'the book' written by man comes from god, but thats a sorry thing to hinge ones hopes on…

      sorry for your confusion; may god comfort you in the days ahead which will be nothing like you could possibly imagine…

      • Psalm 121 King James Version (KJV)

        121 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

        2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

        3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

        4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.

        5 The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand.

        6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.

        7 The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.

        8 The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.

        • 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 King James Version (KJV)

          55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

          56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

          57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            important question…was this written before or after this author died?

            "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

            The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."

            also, there is approximately a billion different definitions of sin. For example, in the epistemology of the greatest writers I could find, sin means differentiation of the universe into contrasting qualities, as required by our sense based mode of awareness. Obviously, the more mundane, guilt inducing definitions put forth in the early days of christianity and promulgated ever since are simply invalid and do more harm than good, other than to manipulate the peasants. I admit, it was useful for that…

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Bingo!

              "Obviously, the more mundane, guilt inducing definitions put forth in the early days of christianity and promulgated ever since are simply invalid and do more harm than good, other than to manipulate the peasants. I admit, it was useful for that…"

            • Sin is the absence of a personal relationship with God.

              https://odb.org/personal-relationship-with-god.

              There is the physical death and the spiritual death. The author of ! Corinthians already has spiritual life given to him by Jesus Christ.

              There is racism based on denigrating a person because of his genes. But there is also racism based on denigration of a person's beliefs. When a person substitutes himself/herself for God this is the malaise of modern times. Denigrating another person is lacking compassion. God gives us compassion, especially compassion for the children when we allow the Holy Spirit to live in our hearts.

              When a person recognizes and returns God's love they have sorrow for those who do not know that joy.

              Billions of people are Christians for the joy and peace that passes all understanding in this life, in the here and now.

              • On the topic of ignoring God:

                James 1:17 ESV
                Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

                2 Timothy 3:16 ESV
                All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

                James 1:6 ESV
                But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.
                https://www.openbible.info/topics/ignoring_god

                • Why would a person who knows God's love for him/her exchange that joy for the darkness from someone who thinks he/she is God but who is lacking in compassion and discipline?

                  2 Corinthians 6:14
                  Berean Literal Bible
                  Do not become unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
                  http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/6-14.htm

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Christians and Muslims feel that questioning the value and truth of their faith is also a sin. How can that be correct? Shouldnt the righteous promote an unbiased assessment of those 2000 year old writings of middle eastern men? Yes.

                  How many were put to death because they dared question the validity or interpretation of a few books!

                  Did god send his only son Jesus to teach the world about sin? No, the Hebrews had already made up their minds about sin long before those texts were written. There were already 24 words about various shades of sin long before Jesus came on the scene.

                  Whatever spiritual gems there may be in jewish, muslim and christian texts, most all of it has been degenerated by the childish mind of mankind to the point of nonsense. The allegorical tale of adam and eve and sin was told long before the bible was written, long before Jesus. Mashya and Mashyana; Ask and Embla; Enkidu and Shamha; Prasnopanishad and Mundakopanishad; Enemu and Melish, Wurugag and Waramurungundi. Those allegorical tales of the differentiation of unity into the multitude of things and experiences, and law of cause and effect, by the limited perceptive capabilities of an individuated ego-incarnation go back at least 6000 years before Jesus and the bible. Adam and Eve are not homo sapiens, they are primal differentiations into duality. Einstein understood this happens as soon as you slow down from light speed

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    The religious cling to their little beliefs because it gives them security. They prop up their blind and incorrect interpretations of great mystic texts by churches, dogma, the sword and baseless faith. So insecure that their frail construction of cosmology and salvation may fail, they were willing throughout history to kill those who dared disbelieve the nonsensical misinterpretations. Thus they live lives of deep delusion, all the while judging others as ignorant and evil

                    Einstein "Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us … know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Code, so Einstein wrote that second cool paragraph.
                      Who wrote the first? Michener? Too short for Faulkner…

                    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_religion

                      Just an interesting look/see into brain function and the source of faith(s). Electricity and chemicals makes for an interesting mix of gawds and demons. I did some looking into the "god-spot" last night. There is no "god-spot" but spots. If the right-side of the brain is slowed down the gawds come forth. The link is just a starting point into why we have this, it's a brain game.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      the first paragraph? Haha, right, only the mindless ramblings of code.

                      If Jesus appeared in a blazing blinding white raiment, and offered a christian that she could be an ice clear clang of vibration, reverberating in all directions of infinite time and space, so ultra raw, primal and feral that all thought, sense of self, orientation, and even perception itself were shattered into a zillion fragments of ice crystals and vaporized into nothingness, and thusly achieve salvation…would they take up the offer? Because thats about as realistic a description of love and the heavenly father (as poor as it is) as they will hear.

                      The velvety black silence of the night sky on a frozen night, which seems too loud, vast and stark to bear, is a pretty good indication of the nature of the divinity. People were hoping it was more like a childrens fairy tale

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Code, your understanding of many things happen to be light years ahead of the pack. I for one would like to see your varied writings and interpretations of our current worldly condition placed inside a book of some sort for others so that they may too have a chance to read what it is that you write.

                      There are few willing to go where your brain waves travel…thoughts are only as good as one's ability to relay those thoughts to others.

                      You have a knack for clearly stating your positions and backing those thoughts and positions up.. with logic and clarity.

                      You happen to be a very powerful.. Master Jedi!

                      Congratulations! Good Show!

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      " People were hoping it was more like a childrens fairy tale".
                      Ya, people just need to realize we are on a need-to-know basis.
                      So just follow the Golden Rule, relax, enjoy the ride and be grateful for the gifts that are given to us.

                      We'll find out our next assignment later…

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      And ditto what obe said about your writings.
                      I save what I can, but it's just a phone. They come & go. And good luck to me finding it quickly in the little box of pixels.
                      Your clarity on capitalism is sorely needed. So many people think we have a democracy and capitalism. So few realize partisanship is futile in a corporate owned world.
                      The problem is the architecture of the system/matrix…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Is all mystic experience simply hippocampal atrophy? The problem with that theory is that it presumes that the brain and its experience occurs in a specific time and space frame. That consciousness is embedded in the field of the universe. But time and timelessness, and length and no length, exist 'at the same time' Einstein; "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." In hippocampal atrophy the person had an experience of universality. This is not invalidated due to brain dysfunction. Indeed, as we speak, your self is everywhere and all time. In fact consciousness may be the only constant to the whole shebang

                      the universe is both large and has no depth at all. The universe is 'old' and also not old at all
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2549976585&feature=iv&src_vid=Xrqj88zQZJg&v=BoUc4-q4Ibc

                    • Horse Horse

                      Reality is a mystic experience. Consciousness observes all it can and determines what manifests into reality. Frequency resonance vibrations. Healthy human organs are required for a healthy experience. The endocrine system is a chemical messenger system at a cellular level, hormones for body organs.
                      "A hormone is a class of signaling molecules produced by glands in multicellular organisms that are transported by the circulatory system to target distant organs to regulate physiology and behaviour." "The nervous and endocrine systems often act together in a process called neuroendocrine integration, to regulate the physiological processes of the human body." "The body only needs very little iodine but it must get the amount it needs. Iodine is central to the functioning of the thyroid gland and the production of its hormones." Iodine supplements, an apple a day for chelation, an organic low carb high fat diet and we don't have any of the common ailments of people our age. You determined that ionizing radiation breaks down cell communications. Iodine plays an important role in facilitating cellular communications.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Think of our human action moving over the planet like a pebble dropping into a pond. Our negative ecosystem impacts are just starting to come to light. Unless we change the human course now..nothing will stop what still comith this way.

                      http://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/human-activity-is-causing-animals-to-develop-cancer-study-says
                      https://www.livescience.com/9680-cancer-kills-wild-animals.html

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.

          See, now what is that doing in a book by god? Surely somebody was joking. I think people underestimate the amount of outright humor and jesting going on the bible.

          Anne, since you are an expert in matters of god and the afterlife, and 100% certain in your faith based ideology, let me ask you something that bothers me; Is a brain required to realize the grace of god and jesus? The reason I ask is because pretty soon I wont have one, and it makes me question the utility of prayer and meditation at this point, so late in life and close to death…

        • After the Resurrection of Jesus, Israel and Jerusalem no longer refer to a geographical location.

          There is the heavenly Israel and the heavenly Jerusalem, and Israel refers to those who love Jesus and allow Him to dwell in their hearts.

          “,,,No such materialistic notions attach to the idea as presented by St. Paul. "Jerusalem which is above" is to him a spiritual city, of which the Christian is a member here and now. It is part of the Messianic kingdom, to the whole of which the Apostle gave an ideal character. He could not but do so, seeing that the kingdom began with the coming of its King, though there was no earthly and visible realisation of it. The Christian "conversation" (or, rather, commonwealth, the constitution that he was under) was "in heaven," while he himself was upon earth. (See Philippians 3:20.)…”
          http://biblehub.com/galatians/4-26.htm

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            well kudos for at least realizing there is allegory. The Pygmies might have said 'behold, the nature spirit that keepeth the flower and tree tops shall neither slumber nor sleep' and the sperm whale might express a similar idea in sonic holograms, and the literalist might try this conglomeration of words of man; The Universe in total will maintain your going out and your coming in from perceptive relativity, as every experience without exception emanates from the source of pure energy which has no variation or shadow due to change.
            James 1:17

            • danger kitty danger kitty

              Literalist interpretation of James?–>

              "The Universe in total will maintain your going out and your coming in from perceptive relativity, as every experience without The Universe in total will maintain your going out and your coming in from perceptive relativity, as every experience without exception emanates from the source of pure energy which has no variation or shadow due to change.
              James 1:17 emanates from the source of pure energy which has no variation or shadow due to change.
              James 1:17"

              kitties korallary–> Therefore, since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, consciousness does not 'die'

              I've had personal experiences that have me convinced of that reality, so it's not just faith.
              But of course, they are not experiences I could really convey or prove to anyone. You know, "The way that can be spoken of is not the way… Yada yada".

              But writing "holy books" at a profit to manipulate millions of people, now there's a capitalist success story!

  • How Trump Came to Enforce a Practice of Separating Migrant Families

    “…For more than a decade, even as illegal immigration levels fell overall, seasonal spikes in unauthorized border crossings had bedeviled American presidents in both political parties, prompting them to cast about for increasingly aggressive ways to discourage migrants from making the trek.

    “Yet for George W. Bush and Barack Obama, the idea of crying children torn from their parents’ arms was simply too inhumane — and too politically perilous — to embrace as policy,… “
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html

  • hbjon hbjon

    Chance of a massive pineapple express this winter to blast California's Sierra Mountains due to energy contributions from Fukushima, Hawaii, and El Nina. Time to get the dams and drainage functioning properly.

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "The Empire of Terror Exposed & the International Lawsuit Against America for Creating ISIS" two min of the video, have to sign up to watch all of it https://www.newsbud.com/2018/06/03/the-empire-of-terror-exposed-the-international-lawsuit-against-america-for-creating-isis/

  • slandermen Deadboy

    When you miss your date with the emergency ward. That's when you have another drink.

    • slandermen Deadboy

      I need to ask a question, like a poll. A very common subject. Vaccination (not in theory, as it is in practice). I would *really* appreciate it if you'd reply since I want the opinions of, you know, people that I'd consider to be slightly more informed than the average person.

      Good or bad? Add info if you'd like.

      I reckon they're bad.

      • On the main they are good. I haven't contracted Polio.

        The other day there was a link about vac.'s and autism. The link was a feed-back loop onto itself with no doc's presenting the message of cause and effect. Quacks and snake oil persist even in 2018.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Canine distemper is a serious disease and, when treated conventionally, 50% of dogs with distemper will die. Homeopathic vets see much better results however, thanks to Distemperinum (no citation!)
        https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/pet-vaccination-risks-and-benefits/
        Reasons not to Vaccinate
        Distemper is a relatively rare disease.
        Like many modified live vaccines, the distemper vaccine has been known to create the disease it was intended to prevent.
        The distemper vaccine has been strongly linked to joint disease and arthritis – two increasingly common chronic diseases in dogs.
        The risk of Vaccine Induced Autoimmune Disease is greater than the risk of distemper.
        The distemper vaccine likely caused the parvovirus outbreaks in the 1970s.
        The distemper vaccine may cause parvo in young puppies.
        Maternal antibodies are likely to block the vaccine until 12 weeks of age.
        Post Vaccinal Encephalitis is a recognized complication of the vaccine.
        Vaccination suppresses the immune system for several days, increasing the puppy’s risk of developing disease.
        The vaccine can cause persistent skin problems and allergies.
        Distemper vaccination can create a chronic form of the disease, the symptoms of which include watery eyes and nose, chronic gastritis, hepatitis and pancreatitis, chronic diarrhea, food sensitivities, epilepsy and rear leg paralysis, spondylitis, lip fold dermatitis, allergic eruptions on the face, eruptions between the toes and a habit of licking the feet,…

        • slandermen Deadboy

          Thanks. I've tried to mention animal vaccinations to people too, but hey, they don't fucking listen.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          so for example, if you were bitten by a dog, you might take a sensible wait and see approach. If you die from rabies, you can be nearly certain the dog had rabies too and that treatment at this point is futile. This can save time money and hassle.

          And while dog rabies shots are cheap, human vaccination typically exceeds $3,000. The cost per human life saved from rabies ranges from approximately $10,000 to $100 million. https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/cost.html

          So you have to weigh it. Since now were talking about people, and there is an inexhaustible supply of the species, and all they do is rain misery and death upon the rest of life, its clear to me the cost outweighs the benefit.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              "The average number of cases has increased from a handful annually between 2011 and 2015 to around 40 per year since 2016."

              Fucking amazing, 40 cases, of all fucking animals? How many humans? Compared to 50% cancer rates for 6 year old animals.

              You are the worst at math ever.

          • slandermen Deadboy

            Btw, let's say I've never been vaccinated against rabies. If I know get rabies, am I dead?

            • slandermen Deadboy

              *now

              I mean, a vaccination isn't something that is by design useful if administered post-infection.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                the claim is that if you get rabies and are not previously vaccinated and dont get vaccinated you are certain to die. but if you then get vaccinations your chance of not dying approaches 90%

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  were you bitten by your dog, brother or something?

                  • slandermen Deadboy

                    Heheh.

                    So you see, if the claim is that vaccination works post-infection, it means the infection is derived from the vaccine.

                    What a shocker.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brB5nadUEbI

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      well if you die, let us know how it turns out.

                      scientists studying remote populations in the Peruvian Amazon at risk of rabies from vampire bats found 11 percent of those tested showed protection against the disease, with only one person reporting a prior rabies vaccination. Ten percent appear to have survived exposure to the virus without any medical intervention.

                      https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-08/bc-nsf072712.php

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      from what I read, your body can still clear the rabies from your nervous system if it hasnt manifested neurological symptoms. The vaccine may work post infection

                      agreed on the polio vaccination and most diseases already diminished before vaccination

                      Jonas Salk said most cases of polio (during a certain period) were caused by the vaccine. Other new diseases may have been polio but renamed

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      But I wanna get back to this vaccination that works post-infection bit.

                      So, you have the actual infection (70% of females tested by the CDC without vaccination developed actual immunity against HPV, but as I've mentioned they felt no need to research that any further as obviously that wouldn't aid vaccine sales).

                      Then, you have a vaccine, derived from that, but with lots of other garbage, heavy metals, toxins, shit from other animals, injected into you, fuck yeah. Sometimes that's totally inactivated too.

                      Now, I'm not a fucking medical dude, but I was thinking it's more likely that my body would, relatively, produce antibodies against the actual shit, properly.

                      You know, rather than when it is given a substitute of that, which is like mutant bullshit and has a lot of poisons it.

                      I mean that fundamentally goes against the biological functions, the arguments for vaccines, etc.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Deadboy, if you are ever faced with the prospect of rabies and choose to avoid vaccination, look into transiently crossing the BBB. Electroporation may even do it, but there may be traditional herbs

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      CS, I'm just wondering.

                      I got this virus, but I was supposed to get just a tiny little bit of that virus, modified by clever scientists along with those toxins and shit I mentioned.

                      So now that I got lots of that virus, and my lymphocytic system is working pretty fucking hardcore on fighting that shit, how is that that modified version that I was supposed to get before I got infected now raises my survival rate from like 0 to 90%?

                      It just doesn't make sense. I mean, I literally take the arguments, fundamental design or concept of vaccination. You need it before the infection right?

                      So…like I said, which is derived from what?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Deadboy, well I dont think you are going to reason it out this way. Virus infections and rabies is no joke. If I thought I had rabies, I would get the vaccines

                      Biology is extremely complex. Your reasoning seems to be; since you are already infected, adding a little virus wont do anything. Maybe the virus has stealth characters that somehow the vaccine overcomes, …its traveling in the nerves before symptoms show. Or maybe the big dose of Immune globulin gives you a head start on it, or maybe the vaccine reaches your bone marrow and thymus before a bite does for some reason. Who knows, its so damn complex.

                      I have proven to my satisfaction that electrotherapy can often disable viruses. If I didnt have access to a vaccine, I would sure fire up some AC. Preferably frequency specific. (Rife)

                      A new theory says rabies kills in a way similar to domoic acid. Over excitement of nerves. If so, there is a big clue to alternative treatment…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Dr.Willoughby, determined that Rabies neither kills by "destroying neurons or causing inflammation in the brain," but instead, causes excitotoxicity, which overstimulates the brain and causes the cells to die. Dr. Willoughby also concluded that the human immune system can fight off the virus if given enough time before Rabies reaches the person´s brain. He developed the Milwaukee Protocol which induces a coma. It uses ketamine 'to ward off Rabies and protect the brain' The Milwaukee Protocol, is now recognized worldwide as a means to possibly save unvaccinated rabies patients. Out of 41 patients who have so far received the Protocol only 6 have survived.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Rabies is an acute, progressive encephalitis caused by infection with rabies virus (RABV). It is one of the most important zoonotic infections and causes more than 70,000 human deaths annually ( http://www.rabiescontrol.net ). It has long been held that a rabies infection is lethal in humans once the causative RABV reaches the central nervous system (CNS); however, this concept was challenged by the recent recovery of a small number of rabies patients. An analysis of these patients revealed that the bloodbrain barrier (BBB) played a major role in protection against the virus. The main reason for the survival of these patients was enhanced BBB permeability after infection with the causative agent (usually bat-originated RABV showing reduced pathogenicity), which allowed immune cells to enter the tissues of the CNS and clear the infection

                      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24264143

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      From what you've linked there, I can't actually find anything that suggests the vaccine is what'll save you, once you're infected. How the vaccine is administered, what it's administered with, perhaps. I'm not so sure.

                      And I'm not suggesting I wouldn't get the rabies vaccine if I got rabies, I just find it very peculiar if I consider a few things, with my limited knowledge.

                      I'll maybe check some of it out later.

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Here's something, but it is (was?) not used yet.

                      http://jvi.asm.org/content/early/2014/12/26/JVI.03656-14

                      Apparently 50% survival rate for infections after administering that vaccine, post-infection.

                      It seems the thing with rabies (not something I've researched at all) is that antibodies aren't produced quickly enough. And it appears the immunoglobin is the main thing, post-infection.

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Anyway, rabies IS kinda exceptional.

                      But here's something interesting.

                      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130201100244.htm

                      "Smoking tobacco is bad for your health, but a genetically altered version of the plant might provide an inexpensive cure for the deadly rabies virus. Scientists have produced a monoclonal antibody in transgenic tobacco plants shown to neutralize the rabies virus. This antibody works by preventing the virus from attaching to nerve endings around the bite site and keeping the virus from traveling to the brain. "

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      I'm also wondering sort of tangentially, how many rabies strains have been discovered since about 1900 or so and some other trending related to those discoveries.

                      I mean there's a fair amount of engineering relating to rabies. Like combining influenza and rabies, using modified rabies to cure parkinsons, etc.

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Random pdf.

                      http://www.who.int/rabies/resources/Rabies_monoclonal_antibodies_post_exposure_prophylaxis.pdf

                      Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) capable of neutralizing a diverse range of rabies isolates could offer a solution to
                      address the cost, supply and safety issues associated with blood derived Rabies Immunoglobulin (RIG). 
                      WHO, in partnership with WHO Collaborating Centres (CCs) for Rabies, is undertaking a project to facilitate the
                      development of a cocktail of unique combinations of mAbs able to replace RIG. The ultimate goal is to make a safe and
                      effective product which can be used broadly and should be available at the lowest possible reasonable price to the
                      public sector of developing countries.  Through its Collaborating Centres for Rabies Research, WHO gained access to a
                      range of rabies mAbs and their hybridomas, which, following evaluation and selection, have been transferred under
                      Material Transfer Agreement to the following manufacturers for further development:
                       Zydus Cadila Healthcare Ltd, India (phase I ongoing)
                       Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR), South Africa (late preclinical stage)
                       Span Biotherapeutics, India (early preclinical stage)
                      In addition, there are multiple other mAbs products being developed independent of the WHO project.  Most are in
                      early preclinical development.  Below is a list of products that have reached clinical trials.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        untreated rabies infections have a 100% fatality rate in dogs and humans.
        Rabies is preventable by pre- and/or post-exposure prophylaxis consisting of series of rabies vaccinations and in some cases the use of immunoglobulins. The success of vaccination can be estimated either by measuring virus neutralising antibodies or by challenge experiment. It appears rabies vaccine has decreased rabies deaths about 90% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3623496/

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Will weigh in on this … pros and cons.

        Have personally had extremely bad reactions to two vaccines – one was flu vaccine, with very high level of thimerosal. The other one was TDaP. The TDaP nearly killed me.

        My dog had a very bad reaction to leptospirosis vaccine. Thuja was given by a holistic vet and she recovered really well, and quickly, I might add. That was after the vet giving the shot prescribed pain killers and prednisone (which weren't helping a lot).

        Now she gets titers for rabies although she will get the vaccine if her titers are low. That's one thing I won't mess around with.

        As for parvovirus, it is endemic in the soils here, and dogs which don't get the vaccine sometimes get very ill and die. So that is one she will get, too. No more lepto though, no need for it. She is not exposed to the feces of waterfowl, so no need for it.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Infectious disease is interesting stuff.

          I err on the side of caution – both in avoiding unnecessary vaccines for me and the critters. And getting the ones that appear necessary for the critters, but only as necessary.

          Am thinking it's probably a good idea to avoid getting the combo vaccines for pets. Some of the holistic vets think the vaccines contribute to cancers in animals. The cancer rate in dogs is very high. About 50% of all dogs are now said to have cancers by age six. That's alarmingly high. The prevalence of chemicals on the ground (pesticides, herbicides), and the pavement (where many people walk their dogs) is also said to be a factor. But I digress.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Abt. 50% of dogs in the US have cancer by age six, that is. Not sure what the stats are like elsewhere. All that Roundup can't be helping.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              You could probably find a fair correlation of human cancers associated with vaccination (you know, just as some sort of coincidental effect), if you look at it. Not that I'm suggesting it's *just* vaccinations, as you've mentioned.

  • For current reporting on infectious diseases this is a great source…

    http://www.promedmail.org/

  • razzz razzz

    'Employee suffers radiation exposure at controversial Idaho nuclear waste site'

    "…According to the friend, the accident occurred when a “piece of metal cut through” the worker’s hazardous materials suit and lab coat. The friend described the incident as a “freak event” and said the worker underwent surgery on her forearm, which was the “penetration site.” The worker also was treated with chelation therapy to “flush her of plutonium and americium,” her friend said. Chelation is a medical procedure that removes toxic metals from the body. The worker’s friend also wrote that representatives from Washington, D.C., came to observe the treatment…"
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/employee-suffers-radiation-exposure-controversial-idaho-nuclear-waste-site-151143659.html

  • slandermen Deadboy

    So sorry, but like, no.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "Movie Sin Counter" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBFfNp58jBs

    It would be nice if this guy would critique Fukushima and its' media coverage (youtuber Cinemasins.}

  • slandermen Deadboy

    And back some of the more usual commonly promoted and administered vaccines.

    http://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists-sue-merck-alleging-mmr-vaccine-efficacy-fraud/

    http://sonorannews.com/2017/07/03/vaccine-manufacturers-exempt-liability/

    "A few years ago, Dr. Theresa Deisher, a PhD in Molecular and Cellular Physiology from Stanford University, the first person to discover adult cardiac derived stem cells, determined that residual human fetal DNA fragments in vaccines may be one of the causes of autism in children through vaccination.

    She wrote, “It is possible that these contaminating fragments could be incorporated into a child’s genome and disrupt normal gene function, leading to autistic phenotypes.”

    Since 2008, Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI) has been doing research to determine what is causing so many DNA breaks and mutations in children…"

  • slandermen Deadboy

    "…Addressing DNA mutations, they wrote, “Have we created the perfect storm for DNA breaks, mutations, and regressive autism in our children? In 1979 we started injecting our children with vaccines that are contaminated with human fetal DNA fragments and a retrovirus, and autism began to rise. Then we added more jabs with aborted fetal vaccines and thimerosal, which can also cause DNA breaks, to vaccines in 1988, and autism rose more. Then in 1995, we added much more aborted fetal DNA contaminants to the chickenpox vaccine, and autism really rose. And now we have children born to older dads who have sperm with very breakable DNA. Aborted fetal contaminated vaccines plus thimerosal plus older dads result in more DNA breaks, thus more de novo mutations, in our children."

    Because drugs and vaccines are too large to produce in a test tube, SCPI states they must therefore be manufactured using cell lines and the final products contain contaminants from the cell line used to manufacture the drug or vaccine.

    SCPI points out when animal cell lines are utilized, our immune systems recognize those contaminants as foreign and eliminate them from our bodies.

    However, when primitive human cell lines, such as aborted fetal cell lines, are used, such contaminants have the potential to trigger autoimmune diseases or genomic instability…”

    • slandermen Deadboy

      "…SCPI stated, “When we use human fetal produced vaccines or cosmetics, we are also injecting or transferring DNA and viruses from the human fetus used to create the cell line into our own bodies.”

      Due to these and other findings, SCPI is hoping to put an end to human exploitation in product development.

      Despite this research and the dramatic rise in autism that seems to correspond with the methods used to manufacture vaccines, NCVIA, although passed over 30 years ago, protects vaccine manufacturers from liability."

      • slandermen Deadboy

        http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-continue-to-increase-in-federal-vaccine-court/

        "Does the Flu Shot and other Vaccines Cause Guillain-Barré Syndrome?

        Guillain-Barré Syndrome is a known side effect of the flu shot, and even just a cursory review of the cases being compensated for vaccine injuries are overwhelmingly for those people suffering from Guillain-Barré Syndrome. The government wants the public to believe that this is rare, affecting only “one or two” people for every million flu shots. With about 130 million flu shots administered each year, that would be 130 to 260 cases a year.

        But just in these DOJ reports alone, we can see over 150 cases awarded compensation for Guillain-Barré Syndrome injuries (including deaths) due to the flu shot. And just a tiny fraction of the population is even aware that the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program even exists. Add to this the fact that most people believe the flu shot is harmless (because that’s what most doctors and the government claim), so they would never associate developing Guillain-Barré Syndrome with the vaccine…"

        • slandermen Deadboy

          "…What is Guillain-Barré Syndrome? Here is the definition the CDC gives:

          Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) is a rare disorder in which a person’s own immune system damages their nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS can cause symptoms that last for a few weeks. Most people recover fully from GBS, but some people have permanent nerve damage. In very rare cases, people have died of GBS, usually from difficulty breathing.

          Compare this to the CDC definition for Polio, which is supposedly a “vaccine preventable” disease:

          Polio is an infectious disease caused by a virus that lives in the throat and intestinal tract. Up to about 72% of susceptible persons infected with polio have no symptoms. However, infected persons without symptoms can still spread the virus and cause others to develop polio. About 24% of infected susceptible persons have minor symptoms such as fever, sore throat, upset stomach, or flu-like symptoms and have no paralysis or other serious symptoms. About 1-5% develop aseptic meningitis with stiffness of the back, back, or legs, and in some persons increased or abnormal sensations a few days after the minor illness resolves. These symptoms typically last from two to ten days, followed by complete recovery. Less than 1% of polio cases result in paralysis of the limbs (usually the legs). Of those cases resulting in paralysis, 5-10% of the patients die when the respiratory muscles are paralyzed."

          • slandermen Deadboy

            So let's take some polio stats (including misdiagnosed cases).

            About 15000 cases in the USA 1954-1955-ish, pre-vaccination.

            So, now we have about 150 bad cases of polio (paralysis or worse). This leaves me with a mortality number close to the number I mentioned earlier (11 per 100k), 7.5-15 fatal cases.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              Well, when I say close, like, within an order of magnitude.

              I was being slightly conservative there. Since it says less than 1%, and 1-5% of that.

              But let's be super conservative and use those stats.

              That gives a worst case scenario of about 100 deaths per 100k.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              Just saying, that 11 I mention is very likely incorrect, I just seemed to have remembered it relating to the worst cases of polio in north america, being in canada (I dunno). It may have been an average or a totally different number.

              • slandermen Deadboy

                Something about indigenous populations, pesticides, fertilizers and some other government shit related to that, btw.

              • danger kitty danger kitty

                Frank, on your vaccine question…
                Consider my viewpoint, "science-for-hire" tells us nuclear, roundup, GMOs,dental mercury, & nuclear don't hurt us. So, their claim that vaccines are safe are suspect right out of the gate.
                Personally Ive been poisoned for two thirds of my life, in three phases; Strontium 90 at CONCEPTION, dental mercury for two decades, & everything Fukushima had to offer for the last 7 years. All of it misdiagnosed or undiagnosed. Had I not learned to think for myself, & treat myself; contrary to doctor suggestions; I'd be dead.
                So, no, I don't vaccinate. Every doctor visit, the nurses are required to offer me some vaccine or other. When I decline, they silently give me the thumbs up.
                I won't even use antibiotics anymore.

                • slandermen Deadboy

                  I haven't used typical antibiotics in like almost 10 years. But I'm physically kinda ruined in many ways, so. Of what I know, lots of x-rays and shit in my life, lots of pharma medication and shit, horrible diet at times, vaccines, uranium, mercury, fluoride, the typical stuff.

                  I smoke and I drink, but I mean, I'm not gonna go around saying drinking or smoking is good.

                  • slandermen Deadboy

                    I would probably use something like penicillin if I have to. But, I'd try to avoid that.

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      I've used liquid garlic extract and/or fasting to beat pneumonia multiple times.
                      Back in my twenies, when my mercury poisoning was roaring, I keep getting strep throat. I remember reading that strep bacteria seem to thrive in a mercury rich environment. After the second or third time getting strep throat, the antibiotics no longer worked. That's when I learned about fasting. 10 day fasts. I would feel better at the end of a fast then I ever had felt.
                      That good feeling wouldn't last, though because I was carrying around the poison in my teeth. It would be another 15 years before I realized mercury was the problem. Doctors disagreed, of course. but the proof was in the pudding. I was skeletal, almost dead. When I got my remaining fillings pulled out, I gained 40 pounds in 30 days. that's when I learned to trust myself instead of doctors.
                      It's a lonely place to be when your health goes south, but it's a powerful place to be when you win. I'm winning so far, I'm not dead.
                      I might take a rabies shot if needed, tho.

                    • PlowboyGrownUp

                      "Mercury Contamination of Aquatic Ecosystems…
                      Studies have shown that bacteria that process sulfate (SO4=) in the environment take up mercury in its inorganic form, and through metabolic processes convert it to methylmercury. The conversion of inorganic mercury to methylmercury is important for two reasons: (1) methylmercury is much more toxic than inorganic mercury, and (2) organisms require considerably longer to eliminate methylmercury.
                      https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1995/fs216-95/

                  • danger kitty danger kitty

                    Wow, Plowboy, That was back in 1995!
                    Remember last year I posted a link about Europe making the connection between elemental mercury and methyl mercury by gut bacteria? Was associated with dental amalgam.
                    Seems like US medical science should get on the stick and ban mercury fillings. Nobody looking at the big picture.

                    Meanwhile, here's Bill Gates wanting to spray sulfate into the sky. of course they're already doing it. More methyl mercury created for us, is mo money for Bill.

                    "So once again, Bill Gates is at the helms of a project that seeks to control the climate in artificial ways using toxic chemicals, an endeavor that is sure to create all sorts of potentially irreversible problems for humanity and the planet."

                    http://csglobe.com/bill-gates-admits-chemtrails/
                    http://csglobe.com/bill-gates-admits-chemtrails/

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Are there actually things that bill gates is involved with that isn't just detrimental?

                      Nukes, vaccinations, automatated village thing, horrible education, GMO.

                      Like…what the fuck is wrong with the guy?

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      *automated correction

                      I guess I shouldn't criticize that education too much.

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Maybe Bill likes auto-mutation.

  • Jebus Jebus

    EPA sends rollback of Obama water protection rule to White House

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/epa-sends-rollback-obama-water-protection-rule-white/story?id=55920448

    Thomas Linzey – Corporations v. Democracy | Bioneers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjLChnUyUcA

  • slandermen Deadboy

    So in Mozambique, over the past few years, lots of oil and gas has been discovered.

    Now there's an "islamic extremist" group that's invaded the areas where those reserves have been discovered.

    Who wants to mention some similarities, elsewhere?

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      I thought you went to sleep a little while ago. Require much sleep?

      • slandermen Deadboy

        I have fairly inconsistent sleeping pattern.

        And here's Slavoj Zizek, always fairly interesting.

        https://youtu.be/IgR6uaVqWsQ

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          I like Zizek, but here he misses the obvious; institute community non interest banking and loans. It works. Focus on community level manufacturing of and for the people. Eliminating the profit margin, sales man, middle men in the distribution line and the fore mentioned usury would reduce price by more than half. Even 3/4. In the case of medicines…if there were say community herbalism and holistic practice, much of medical costs could be reduced by say 99%. The 'Makerspace' movement and 'open source' is actually working and is a great example of how to move forward out of the chains of the capitalist model

          I agree with his first idea…people should be creative and think about solutions. Too often people throw up their hands and say nothing is possible. The occupy movement was doomed from the start because its obvious that sitting at the feet of rich people in the rain will do nothing to change them. It was….1..2..3..stupid.

          The thinking should start on the campus because its always the youth that are willing to engage in new ideas.

  • Mueller's Team Gave Up Millions In Pay to Join the Russia Probe. Here's How Much They Make
    http://time.com/money/5306210/mueller-trump-investigation-pay/

  • Trump's Unhinged Fox News Interview on the White House Lawn Was Frightening

    Donald Trump's admiration of Kim Jong-un shows the president embracing dictator tendencies

    “Donald Trump has exhibited authoritarian impulses since the early days of his campaign. But the president's recent meeting with Kim Jong-un seems to have inspired him to throw around language and ideas that would turn America into a dictatorship. Trump gushed about the North Korean leader following their meeting in Singapore, calling him a ‘smart,’ ‘funny guy’ with a ‘great personality,’ among other fawning praise. His admiration of the dictator continued on Friday during a wild, impromptu interview with Fox & Friends on the White House lawn, when the president expressed in no uncertain terms how envious he is of Kim’s regime. ‘He speaks and his people sit up at attention,’ Trump said. ‘I want my people to do the same.’…

    “It might be the most frightening statement of Trump's presidency. The people of North Korea are of course forced to "sit up in attention" when Kim speaks – in 2016, Kim executed the nation's deputy premier for education with a firing squad for showing "disrespectful posture" in a meeting. But Kim's human rights violations do not seem to be of any concern to Trump, who has repeatedly defended the dictator's inhumane treatment of his people. …[cont.]

    • [cont.] . When confronted about the regime's atrocities, Trump has made excuses ranging from "it's rough in a lot of places" to explaining that Kim is carrying on his father's legacy. "He's a tough guy," the president said to Fox's Bret Baier on Air Force One following the summit.

      “When Trump says that Kim's people "love" him, he is effectively endorsing the way Kim's regime treats its citizens, who are often starved and incarcerated without trial. The president has legitimized North Korea through more than just his words. Many were shocked at the commingling of the American and North Korean flags in Singapore, and North Korea's nation's state-run TV network has since released footage of the summit that shows Trump saluting what appeared to be a high-ranking North Korean military official, a shocking visual of the president's deference to the dictatorship….

      “When CNN asked retired Navy Rear Admiral John Kirby, who is also a former spokesman for both the Defense and State departments, about the salute, he called it ‘striking,’ ‘inappropriate from a protocol perspective’ and something ‘you most certainly don’t do it with the leaders of foreign militaries of an adversary nation.’

      “The most prominent theme of Trump's time in office has been his sustained excoriation of the American media, so it should come as no surprise that Trump was enamored by North Korea's state-run media. …[cont.]

      • [cont.] According to the Washington Post, the president marveled at how positive one of the nation's female broadcasters spoke of Kim, and remarked that she should get a job on TV in the United States. After returning from Singapore, Trump tweeted that the media is America's ‘biggest enemy.’

        “The Post noted how Trump praised how ‘tough’ the North Korean guards looked. It's an adjective he also used to describe Kim's treatment of his people, and one that Trump used repeatedly throughout the campaign and during his presidency to describe the attitude America must take toward a variety of issues.

        “Trump drooling over the prospect of a dictatorship was only a small part of what was a wild morning on the White House lawn. After the president noticed Fox & Friends was broadcasting only a few feet away from where he was presumably ensconced in Friday morning's Executive Time, he tweeted that he would stop by for an ‘unannounced’ interview. He did, clearly taking everyone off guard before sidling up next to Steve Doocy for a live interview that lasted over 30 minutes.

        “While speaking with Doocy, Trump cycled through most of his usual talking points, from his displeasure with the media, to the success of the economy, to the need for a border wall and how the Democrats are the ones responsible for children being separated from their parents at the border (which is not even remotely true). …[cont.]

        • [cont.] Also discussed was the Inspector General report that found that the FBI acted with no bias as it investigated the Trump campaign's connection to Russia prior to the 2016 election. Despite the report's conclusion that there was no foul play, Trump and his allies have used its contents to argue the opposite.

          “’TRUMP dismisses IG's finding that there was no bias in Clinton investigation in this way: "The IG report was a horror show. I thought that one sentence of conclusion was ridiculous." ‘pic.twitter.com/Mlo7vCyikB
          — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 15, 2018

          "’I beat Clinton dynasty. I beat Bush dynasty, and now, I guess, hopefully I’m in the process of beating very dishonest intelligence,’ Trump said….

          "former campaign manager who has been indicted on a number of crimes relating to Russia, ‘had nothing to do with our campaign.’
          "’Here's the good news: I did nothing wrong.’"
          https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-fox-news-interview-w521581

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "FDA absurdly claims that sun damage is a “disease” that can only be treated with prescription drugs and nothing else
    It’s well-known that antioxidants can provide a myriad of health benefits — including protection against sunburn and the damage it causes. But according to the FDA, only drugs and creams that have been made by their industry masters can offer health benefits. Is toxic sunscreen really the only option consumers have when it comes to protecting themselves against sun damage — or is the FDA really just that ridiculous?

    Recently, the FDA cracked down on a number of manufacturers who were producing “sunscreen supplements,” antioxidant mixes featuring compounds like lycopene, lutein and zeaxthanin. Multiple studies have pointed to the benefits of these phytonutrients — including their ability to ward off sun damage.

    But evidently, the FDA views sun damage as a “disease,” and that means making claims of sun protection are “disease claims.” "
    http://medicine.news/2018-06-14-fda-absurdly-claims-that-sun-damage-is-a-disease-that-can-only-be-treated-with-prescription-drugs-and-nothing-else.html

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Edward Griffin previews his upcoming talk in his rid pill expo. Cecil Rhodes and the secret society in their words…
    https://vimeo.com/275527125

    Griffin is a little too conservative for my taste, but probably has some good stuff to offer. Another speaker will be Cynthia McKinney, who actually ran for president. I like her sincerity.
    https://vimeo.com/274051362

    Of course Im not going to the event, and have no invested interest in it

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