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  • Mendocino Complex fire is largest wildfire in California history

    More than 14,000 firefighters are now battling over a dozen major blazes across the state.

    “…A wildfire burning through Northern California became the state’s largest on record on Monday, scorching more than 290,000 acres, officials said….

    “The fire began on July 27 and was spurred on Monday by an ominous high-pressure system that brought hotter, drier and windier weather to the area, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire….

    “It was unclear what caused the blaze, but the fire was one of more than a dozen burning amid California's record-breaking heat last month, with temperatures in the triple digits for days, helped fuel the wildfires, and they have been rekindled in August as temperatures again approach triple digits across the state….”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/mendocino-complex-fire-grows-become-largest-wildfire-california-history-n898206

  • Donald Trump throws his eldest son under the bus: And yes, this “collusion” could be criminal

    Did Trump just set up Don Jr. to take the fall? That Trump Tower meeting could involve at least one felony

    https://www.salon.com/2018/08/06/donald-trump-throws-his-eldest-son-under-the-bus-and-yes-this-collusion-could-be-criminal/

  • The Wetherspoon ‘ban’ on homeless people reveals our rotten social order

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2018/aug/07/wetherspoon-ban-homeless-people-cornwall-owen-jones

    Homelessness is rising in austerity Britain: it has increased by 169% since 2010

    How does this all happen? Inequality is profoundly irrational: in the richest societies that have ever existed, unimaginable wealth coexists with abject poverty. It has to be justified, otherwise it would no longer be tolerated. And so we are told that those at the top deserve to be there – they are the brightest, the best, the most capable, the hardest-working – and those at the bottom are there because they are thick, work-shy and “smelly”.

    This story may come from and be about Britain but it is global. As we all know.

    We have seen, in the past, how disability charities have spoken of increased abuse towards disabled people because of the “scrounger” rhetoric of media and politicians.

    I am finding that it is getting harder and harder to get quality healthcare because of my disabilities and appearance. I have long white hair. It is getting easier to tell what political mind set the person has during an office visit. In rural AZ I am offered the needed therapies rarely. On my site there is a page titled Doctors, if you are interested. I pretty much have given up seeking what you all call health"care", there is no "care" there.

  • slandermen slandermen

    I just woke up from a short nap after a 100+ hour sleep deprivation session. I also found this, it has a bit of something for everyone.

    https://neckbearddeathcamp.bandcamp.com/album/white-nationalism-is-for-basement-dwelling-losers

    https://neckbearddeathcamp.bandcamp.com/track/please-respond-i-showed-you-my-penis

    • slandermen slandermen

      You guys don't mind if play some quake, seriously? Cool. Rad.

      Ok, so here are some words from the newly upgraded advisor.

      CountryImportWell
      CoastDisputeBetter
      MinorityFrightenGlass
      CooperateNaturalVegetable
      CottonNeutronJewel
      CoalTalkTemporary
      TemperatureBehindWatch
      VacationElectricityBurn
      HoldNiceRestaurant
      DirectWeakRain
      MayCabinetForward
      NoMicroscopeCoffee
      SoundLateDocument

      I dunno about that cotton and neutron thing, that is just weird.

  • Trump Has Reportedly Handed Over Control of the VA to His Rich Mar-a-Lago Cronies

    “Throughout both his campaign and his presidency, Donald Trump has insisted that reforming the Department of Veterans Affairs is a top priority. But, according to a bombshell new report from ProPublica, the White House has essentially ceded control of the VA to a trio of the president’s rich buddies who he knows from his resort in Mar-a-Lago—none of whom are government employees.

    “The triumvirate of extra-governmental shot callers consists of Palm Beach doctor Bruce Moskowitz, attorney Marc Sherman, and, perhaps most notably, Marvel Entertainment chairman Ike Perlmutter. None of the three have ever served in the U.S. armed forces, although Perlmutter is an Israeli army veteran who fought in the 1967 Six Day War. What they do all possess, however, is expertise at giving Trump money; all three pay thousands of dollars a year to be Mar-a-Lago members.

    “ProPublica wrote that the group has been dubbed ‘the Mar-a-Lago crowd’ and has reportedly helped shape both VA policy as well as staffing decisions throughout the Trump administration, all while flouting normal governmental procedure and rules. The result, ProPublica explained, is an agency in which officials must ‘kiss the ring’ of this shadow trio to move on certain decisions.

    “’On any veterans issue, the first person the president calls is Ike,’ one former administration official told the site. Perlmutter was also on hand at the…

    • [cont.] White House when Trump signed an executive order for ‘Improving Accountability and Whistleblower Protection’ at the VA in 2017.

      “According to VA documents ProPublica obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the Mar-a-Lago crowd’s guidance is often treated as orders, rather than external input.

      “’I will begin a project plan and develop a timeline for action,’ VA chief of staff Peter O’Rourke wrote to Moskowitz, in response to an email offering his thoughts on one policy initiative this past February.

      “The outing of this unofficial troika only adds to the already-chaotic state of the VA under Trump. This has included the ignominious ouster of administrator David Shulkin, and the ensuing debacle over allegations of misconduct from his proposed replacement Ronnie Jackson. All the while, Trump’s much touted 24-hour hotline for veterans has become a bureaucratic nightmare for anyone calling to seek help. “In a statement to ProPublica, released through a crisis communications consultant, Moskowitz, Sherman, and Perlmutter denied any improprieties in their roles, saying they only offered help on a ‘voluntary basis’ and didn’t order anyone to implement any policy. ‘To the extent anyone thought our role was anything other than that, we don’t believe it was the result of anything we said or did,’ they wrote.

      “A VA spokesperson told ProPublica that the trio ‘have no direct influence over the Department of Veterans Affairs.’

      “Despite these denials, the…

      • [cont.] allegations raised by the documents fit nicely into what we already know about Trump and his administration: Qualifications on an issue don’t really matter, just so long a someone has money—preferably flowing directly into the President’s pockets.”

        https://splinternews.com/trump-has-reportedly-handed-over-control-of-the-va-to-h-1828187399

        • Anne, your hateful attacks on our president are noted.

          Do you have any idea how silly it sounds to say that these guys are allowed to control the VA because they give thousands of dollars a year to be part of a club?

          • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

            Even sillier when you blow your Trumpet…

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            They just arrested another one..the gimme mo money baggage appears to be getting very heavy for the Rumpster.

          • Have a drink of cool clear water…just the facts/truth

            The Shadow Rulers of the VA
            How Marvel Entertainment chairman Ike Perlmutter and two other Mar-a-Lago cronies are secretly shaping the Trump administration’s veterans policies.

            by Isaac Arnsdorf Aug. 7, 6:29 p.m. EDT

            https://www.propublica.org/article/ike-perlmutter-bruce-moskowitz-marc-sherman-shadow-rulers-of-the-va

            • Seems I remember something about those that join the military swear an oath of allegiance to the Constitution. Not to a party or ruler. I'm thinking it's about time these vet's stand up and be counted. This is not about party, persons or personality, it is about Country.

              • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                20 million Vets, can easily be a deciding factor

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  military men have patriotism drilled into every fiber of their body.
                  They MUST be the pawns of the ruling class.

                  And thus the ruling class (also religions and their books) should be held to rigorous scrutiny. The people who wee in their pants if someone is outspoken about a ruler havent attained much emotional maturity.

                  They dont know it, but feel a threat

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    the thesaurus lists some synonyms of patriotism;
                    Chauvinism
                    fanaticism
                    jingoism
                    nationalism
                    narrowness
                    zealotry
                    bellicism

                    Its one of the most disturbing and dangerous mass psychological movements in a society.

                    • I admit, I am a zealot about our country. It is in my DNA and as you have pointed out before it causes me great pain. The pain has 2 edges. The damage my family has done. The damage done to what they have tried to create, faulty as it is. I don't think this zealotry is a bad thing for me because I am flexible about controls and restorations. For others it is proving to be a very dangerous mix of nationalism and supremacy. Case in point, this thread. I find it increasingly painful the lack of education concerning the definitions of the words you listed. It seems few understand who they are when reading the list. I am a zealot, I admit it. Country first but not nationalism. Constitution first.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Taffy, when you have something great, naturally you want to protect it. Its that rational, lets say, correct feeling that justifies patriotism. But lets not miss a valuable point by getting involved in definitions here.

                      The feeling you have about the country is rooted in many things; your family history, the books songs and movies we grew up with, and more basic limbic feelings like tribe, security and identity. In sum, its a gestalt that drives your feelings and thought patterns. You consider your flexibility about controls and restorations a balance that makes zealotry OK.

                      So beside my point that similar feelings of patriotism have been nearly universally harmful; for example, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Red China communism, English and Dutch imperialism, Roman conquest…the list goes on, and what to say of the closely related religious wars…but also it doesnt give perspective on the U.S., its history, and actions.

                      Controls and restorations? How far do you want to roll back the evolution of the country? I think the country has some good characteristics, compared to the monarchy/theocracies from which we so recently came from. We had a high standard of living, comparitively, recently embraced concepts of equality, freedom of speech and individuality. But…

                      The reality is that the country was a clean slate of real estate, got by massacre of the prior inhabitants. The capitalist engine of exploitation causes internal and worldwide strife. A lot of what…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      The capitalist engine of exploitation causes internal and worldwide strife. A lot of what makes America seem great is because we got all this real estate and natural resources, were a major creditor in WWII and benefited from the industrial revolution, what to say of slavery! The U.S. is a capitalist success story…at least for the few.

                      The nice sounding stuff in the constitution has been used as much for pillage justifying rhetoric (spreading democracy and freedom) as it has manifest in real terms. We are a country of prisons, wealth inequality, military domination, hypocrisy and sickened lands. Results speak more than ostentation. Such an engine, an economic siege engine, is not sustainable, and as much as its rooted in the constitution the concept turns out to be faulty.

                      The five major tenets of the constitution, including the three branches and the federalist balance of state and country are interesting but in the end not effective at providing what they supposedly do. The world is all very 'american'. Its a prison planet inhabited by inmates who are certain its a resort just slightly off kilter. Its spiraling down, as people clutch to country, leaders, rhetoric, and economy

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      while Einstein was figuring out relativity and interconnectedness, I was listening to "I dont need Millions"

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54J4Imb2ss

                      I said "Einstein" I said…"maybe you think too much" I told him

            • GOM GOM

              Perlmutter was born in the British Mandate of Palestine 75 yrs ago. He is Jewish.

              Disney head, Keith Something? reports directly to Perlmutter.

              In April 2017, Perlmutter was categorized by The New York Times as one of the "Clubgoers" among twenty people whom President Trump consults "outside the White House gates".

              He "has been informally advising … on veterans issues" … has been a presence" at Mar-a-Lago, according to the account.

              He is a rat-fuck that destroys & then takes over major businesses, LIKE C Coleco Industries.

              And pals around with POTUS. Please read 'Career'

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Perlmutter

          • Are you a veteran? Do you have first hand experience of what veterans face from the VA after they have sacrificed their lives and health to protect this country? Instead of accusing me of hate which makes you a hater of me, why don't you post articles about how wonderful the VA is being run. Please base your arguments on true facts and not on emotional attacks.

            Reporting news stories is just posting news that people in a democracy will be interested in.

            I receive many Republican news stories in my email every day. To make intelligent decisions as a voter one needs to know what everyone is reporting about an incident, not just one biased report prompted by greed or other self-interest.

            Only the truth will save the environment and the planet.

            If you dispute the facts of an article, please argue with the writer. Accusing me of hatred please show some empathy for the children of the world which includes everyone.

            Are you now going to attack all the other bloggers on this website?

            http://enenews.com/forum-off-topic-discussion-thread-non-nuclear-issues-new-as-of-january-2017/comment-page-181#comment-912242

              • TYPO: Accusing me of hatred is completely false. I don't hate anyone. I just have empathy for all the people who are being harmed by the pollution and radiation in our environment.

                I'm not demonizing anyone. Government is dependent on many people including all the people in the country. Most people vote for policy, ot emotion. But only on education can people make rational decisions, not sound bite ads.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              wait…" Instead of accusing me of hate which makes you a hater of me" has an implicit extension; If accusing someone of hatred is a hateful act, then you just accused stock of being hateful…which in your rules of the game…is a hateful act.

              OK, dont attack me, Im just the messenger of logic here

              • If someone accuses me of hatred, that person is using emotional language, first to slander me, and second to deflect from the real argument. emotional attacks especially horrible emotional attacks will never solve the environmental and political crisis of this country or of the world
                .
                I don't hate anyone. I am quoting news articles because policies of the government affect the lives of everyone.

                What happens to President Trump is up to the courts and the Congress and the voters at every election and the Republican party as well.

                Federal Judge Allows Emoluments Lawsuit Against President Trump To Proceed
                https://www.npr.org/2018/03/29/598053643/federal-judge-allows-emoluments-lawsuit-against-president-trump-to-proceed

                There are multiple lawsuits against him. If President Trump incites people to violence against journalism or against anyone else, this is a violation of the law and against our democracy.

                I dodn't idolize any politician and I don't hate any politician or any other person. Demagoguery on the part of any public speaker leads to all kinds of emotional attacks not based on the truth and the facts. Demagoguery deflects attention from the truth and real arguments and is used to divide people and to keep them from looking rationally at the truth.

                Football on TV isn't just to make money from entertainment. It is the polarize and divide people. Attacking sports figures does the same thing.

                A real leader would first care for the people and…

                • [cont.]
                  A real leader would first care for the people and second would work to help them over every other consideration. He would be rational to promote rationality on the part of his followers which he could if his policies could be supported with real facts. He would not incite people to irrational, mob violence.

              • I didn't start the hate language. If someone accuses me of hatred when I don't hate anyone, that just shows what is in their own heart, not mine.

                It isn't an attacks to disagree with someone's policies, ethics, or morals.

                We have a Constitution, and when a president violates the Constitution he swore to uphold, he is in violation of the law.

                Trump's income tax filings and finances will at some time be investigated and made public.

                • anne

                  by promoting wallpapering stories that are not just far fetched, but hateful, using made up "facts", you are indeed showing your own hatred (as an alternate—it is possibly just stupidity)

                  my point, again
                  Do you have any idea how silly it sounds to say that these guys are allowed to control the VA because they give thousands of dollars a year to be part of a club?

                  • That's not what the article said. They are allowed to control the VA because Trump appoint them and gave them that authority.

                    None of them was ever in the US military in any capacity. And there are many complaints that the VA is not being run well.

                    Why don't you post articles of how wonderful the VA is being run?

                    • Ethics in government has been studied extensively:

                      Why favoritism, cronyism and nepotism coupled with lack of qualification means the best qualified persons are not being chosen.

                      Transcript of Favoritism, Cronyism, and Nepotism Are They Ethical Issues?

                      "What Is Favoritism, Cronyism and Nepotism
                      Favoritism

                      "is the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another.

                      "Cronyism

                      "is the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority,
                      without proper regard to their qualifications.

                      "Nepotism

                      "is the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.

                      "How Can They Be Considered Unethical?

                      "While these methods are employed for various reason such as having someone they can trust it could be unethical because they are not qualified for the position, do not deserve, and because it can lead to corruption…."

                      https://prezi.com/stlk3as-cyqs/favoritism-cronyism-and-nepotism-are-they-ethical-issues/

                      Pointing out possible ethical violations of good government is the duty of every citizen in a free society.

                      Do we want good government or do we just want to drown out the opposition with vicious rhetoric?

                      Do we want to discuss the issue rationally in a humane manner or do we want to devolve to attack animals?

                    • That is exactly what the article says, and its preposterous
                      You should read the shit you post, first

                      Qualifications on an issue don’t really matter, just so long a someone has money—preferably flowing directly into the President’s pockets.

                      What they do all possess, however, is expertise at giving Trump money; all three pay thousands of dollars a year to be Mar-a-Lago members.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Trump should be investigated for his book prognosticating the fake Bin Laden world trade center/ terrorism, which is at least a pre knowledge of the fake narrative and obscures/perpetrates a crime. Did he get money out of it? He should be investigated for selling out the U.S. lands and seas for multinational corporate exploitation, selling arms to the Saudis, having a personal financial interest in his political moves and making military action on false pretense

                      the emperor wears no clothes

                  • George W Bush talks Trump-era policy: media 'indispensable to democracy'

                    • Former president calls for a ‘welcoming’ immigration policy

                    • Bush describes religious tolerance as ‘one of our greatest strengths’

                    27 Feb 2018

                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/27/george-w-bush-media-immigration-donald-trump

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            attacks on our president.

            Why is the story 'the Emperor Wears No Clothes' famous and relevant through history?

            "The Emperor's New Clothes" written by Hans Christian Andersen in 1837, about two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent – while in reality, they make no clothes at all, making everyone believe the clothes are invisible to them. When the emperor parades before his subjects in his new "clothes", no one dares to say that they do not see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as stupid.

            Andersen's tale is based on a 1335 story from the Libro de los ejemplos, and there is an earlier Indian version written in 1052

            Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann, in her spiral of silence theory, argued that media biases lead to pluralistic ignorance

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    50,000th OT comment?

    😱

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      @dangerkitty

      California’s Wildfires and Nuclear Radiation – – A Personal Story

      • danger kitty danger kitty

        Thanks, HHD. I do check my wood ash from home heating now & then.
        Never had any wild readings like 1000 CPM. I'll check more often when winter comes.
        Have'nt had a major fire close by this year…yet. Most of the fires here are chaparal fires, not timber. Maybe that makes a difference, IDK.
        Fire season not over yet…

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-government-review-backs-subsidies-133019561.html

    LONDON (Reuters) – Britain should offer developers of mini nuclear plants subsidies similar to those made available to the offshore wind industry, an independent review commissioned by the government said on Tuesday.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      All the bread and butter enjoyed by all governments comes from the energy they shove at the human livestock. The energy is the grease for the non stop gimme mo money wheels.

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Wise Jedi. 😉

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Having a hard time posting here and other places..me thinks the entire country is under the control of the wizards behind the scenes. So much for freedom of anything.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            obe, try this crazy experiment; open a new tab and bring up a kardashian (other popular searches would no doubt work)web page. Then when you want to post or are waiting for ENE to load up, switch back and forth to the kardashian page. It helps. It seems to be about timing, and that you can piggy back on allowed/ preferred web throughput. Maybe thats crazy but Ive tried it many times. Doesnt always work. tried looking for support for the idea, couldnt find anything

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Thinking there is a glitch of sorts in the software. Must be a challenge dumping all of this data in the cloud and then managing it. Of course everything is very secure! Chuckles!

              • yeah, that is kind of orweliian irony, of TPTB just laughing in our face as they fuck with us….name something the cloud, and then tell us it is secure…..a great way to backup stuff. wow

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Stock, I actually made some comments in a local newspaper site and they were removed through or by Facebook. What this tells me is that the cabal is not only in charge, but they are removing all comments that would shed light on the current world condition.

                  Thus there is no freedom of speech anymore and the Earth will be lost. Sad really!

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Nuclear: We'll figure it out…eventually….someday…maybe….if it's not too late. But, "So what." There's money to be made.

    https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/08/07/1548360/0/en/International-Research-Community-Gathers-for-Conference-on-Environmental-Contaminant.html

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    http://caferadlab.com/thread-2592-post-5714.html#pid5714

    Nuclear: Party on!

    Well, moonshine does have it's benefits… Just not the one's certain hippies were hoping for.

    http://www.ntanet.net/myth-or-fact-will-alcohol-help-protect-against-radiation

    • Good article HHD but I think some things were left out of the explanation…

      Think about this…

      So alcohol makes you pee allot right? Why? Because it stimulates the body to dump toxins from both the kidneys and liver right? So even if the body doesn't know the toxins from radioactive metals are there soon enough, alcohol will start these processes sooner and accelerate them.

      In the case of red wine (the real radiation helper) not only will it start these cleanup processes earlier than without the wine (helping to excrete them sooner makes for less damage), it also provides powerful antioxidants and real minerals to help repair cells and replace these mineral mimicking poisons with real natural nutrients.

      Does alcohol help? Without a doubt, wither it helps enough to save your life depends on the type consumed, the amount consumed and the time frame of when you were exposed until you started drinking it.

      So in case 1 (does alcohol help with radiation exposure)

      The answer is a resounding YES, does it help enough to save your life is subject to many variables.

      And dark red wine is the preferred and most helpful method of ingestion for radiation help.

      As to the second part of the question…

      Does it just make you not care?

      I don't know about you, but there isn't enough alcohol on the planet (other that a lethal overdose) that would make me not care.

      But pain relief is a huge factor in recovery from any painful thing…

      Pain relief allows…

      • But pain relief is a huge factor in recovery from any painful thing…

        Pain relief allows the body to resume a more normal function.

        Back before aspirin was discovered (or was unavailable) whisky or other distilled alcoholic drinks were the only proven way to control fever. Giving whisky and honey to a child suffering from a high fever saved countless lives and was a routine practice among doctors. No ID or prescription required.

        So does alcohol help with radiation contamination?

        A no brainer…

        And everyone should be drinking a bottle of natural dark red wine a week.

        Dark chocolate is also good as a maintenance helper so drink red wine and eat dark chocolate, it's good for your health!!!!

        Just limit the consumption to a reasonable level.

        Not really understood for the ole health has to taste bad and be no fun crew…

  • https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786713/-Arctic-carbon-cycle-is-speeding-up

    With a video of people burning off gases from a frozen lake in AK. The comments are depressing as is the situation at hand. We are F-ed.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "While various factors regulate how fast this transformation will continue to occur, studies using Landsat and MODIS satellite imagery with field measurements over the past decades have observed a northward migration of shrubs and trees."

      So, more shrubs and trees to absorb carbon…

      Then man cuts them down and sprays roundup on them…

  • The Case for Imposing Sanctions on Donald Trump and His US-Based Business Empire

    It's time for Americans to get a taste of their own medicine. The world should blacklist Trump, his associates, and his businesses.

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/08/08/case-imposing-sanctions-donald-trump-and-his-us-based-business-empire

  • I think we can blame the fires on TRump
    —————–
    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/decades-of-mismanagement-turned-us-forests-into-slow-motion-time-bombs_082018

    Wildfire experts say poor management, not global warming, is the major reason behind worsening wildfires.
    Forester Bob Zybach warned decades ago that environmental regulations and less logging would make fires worse.
    The Trump administration is doing more active management of lands, but is it enough?

    Bob Zybach feels like a broken record. Decades ago he warned government officials allowing Oregon’s forests to grow unchecked by proper management would result in catastrophic wildfires.

    While some want to blame global warming for the uptick in catastrophic wildfires, Zybach said a change in forest management policies is the main reason Americans are seeing a return to more intense fires, particularly in the Pacific Northwest and California where millions of acres of protected forests stand.

    “We knew exactly what would happen if we just walked away,” Zybach, an experienced forester with a PhD in environmental science, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    • Then the Clinton administration in 1994 introduced its plan to protect old growth trees and spotted owls by strictly limiting logging.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Well not sure about any of that stuff..trees are dying all over the planet. Dead trees burn very hot.

        As the weather changes so do the growing seasons and the types of plant life that thrive.

        I love the way some think we can actually control what is going on..wildfires are called that for a reason and most except for lightening are caused by man.

        60 fires raging..how many were caused by lightening?

        Fire management and forest management are important..I do not like the idea of using back burning to contain these fires. To many shifting winds in these canyons..if wind blows one way during a fire it is already creating a back burn gap/fire line. Back burning can get out of control every easily and bam double the size of a fire in a very short time with a shift in the wind.

        • ya I have 2 dead trees I need to cut down

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            There is a great deal of information about the now dying trees all over the world on youtube.

            I have taken out 6 dead ones this year alone.

            Over 102 Million Dead Trees – 2017 – YouTube
            Video for trees dying youtube▶ 3:23
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxxFNG_396c

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Here is another one..not thinking the trees like drinking and breathing in all this oil! Just saying!

              Appears we might be next!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYmu7t-KTQ

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                I have seen the trees in a long drive and some hikes in Montana. Roughly, I would say 25% are dying in many areas. Reading up, they say root rot and some kind of infestation. But its just like any patient, the bugs/microbes will take you down the minute your defenses are compromised. Of course the only explanation given is climate change. Bah humbug on that. The world is a sick zone. What causes it? Poisons of all kinds, from radioactivity to pesticides, to air pollutants from burning fuels, to messing with the ecosystem by human 'management'. So many animals are going down along with the trees. A sure sign of ecosystem sickness

                nature and health is a delicate balance requiring a high 'Q' value, or peak excellence factor of purity and symbiosis. Man is too dense to see this

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        stock tell the truth; you were lying about ever being a liberal democrat

        • Not at all, your memory of said comment implies that you just can't believe that someone can develop positions and opinions based on new facts that become apparent.

          I grew up in a democratic, pretty socialistic city, Milwaukee, many relatives teachers or other government workers. Voted for Obama the first time around, after disgustion with bush et al. Thought it would be cool to have a black president.

          One of my worst decisions ever, was taken in by a glib tongue and a set up story line. "you didn't build that"

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            so all the presidents you voted for were republican except Obama, is that right? You grew up in a liberal city but father was republican?
            I dont care, I dont go for either party, but you certainly dont sound non biased. Your blindness to Trump is astounding

            Its not a personal attack.. but its astounding anyway

            • I always tell people to vote their own self-interest. Some issues are more important then the issues the candidate argues for that are not to their self-interest.

              It doesn't bother me is people vote Republican. My parents and grandparents and both sisters always did and do vote Republican. It's a self-interest vote for one, but not for the other one.

              The reason I post issues is because each person should in my opinion decide is the issue is being properly presented and how the person chooses to vote on that issue.

              The country didn't used to be so polarized, and I've been told that Newt Gingrich started that trend. But I don't know if he started the trend or not.

              I just think it is sad when people don't know what policies ae for their self-inerest.

              For me the most important thing is taking care of the environment and taking care of children after they are born.

              E.G., if people don't receive their Social Security and/or their Medicare then they were taxed at a horrible rate. Since there are income ceilings to the Social Security tax or contribution, the poor are paying a huge percentage of their income on taxes. And many people with more income don't really want to financially support their elderly parents.

              • If people understand the issues then they can understand why people vote differently. People have different amounts of education about different events in history. But understand the past is extremely important if people are going to make choices that won't repeat past mistakes with dreadful consequences.

            • Voted for Kerry, the Non Bush, like Obama so disgusted after first term

              Dad was dem mostly, but did vote Reagan, strong military idea.

              Trump is tackling the biggest problems which the USA has been intentionally cast into. I would do 85% exactly what Trump is doing, and less tweets. Find another Bannon who wasn't an asshole.

              But I would take it another very uncomfortable step….expose 911, and then I would be killed. Holy spirit on my side or not, they would kill me.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "I think we can blame the fires on TRump"

      Yeah, but skyscraper shadows are the works of evil progressives.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Is logging keeping the ecosystem in balance? The world would have burned up long ago if that were the case. Loggers love logging because theres good money in it. Logging makes unnatural forests, they look ugly, it ravages the delicate forest floor and it changes the natural forest ecosystem. Im not going to blame anything on not enough logging…

  • GOM GOM

    Hurricane Local Statement in Hawaii
    Active for next 5 hours
    National Weather Service

    Alert area: Big Island Interior; Big Island North and East; Big Island Summit; Kohala; Kona; South Big Island

    Posted 4 hours ago
    This product covers the Hawaiian islands

    **POWERFUL HURRICANE HECTOR CONTINUES TO CHURN WESTWARD
    SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF THE BIG ISLAND**

    https://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=45627f5e263b767b&hl=en&gl=US&source=web

    Hurricane Hector Is On Its Way to Hawaii While the Kilauea Volcano Continues to Erupt…

    So what happens when these 2 primeval forces meet? The volcano will strengthen the storm and cause energy imbalance. Oh, and throw all those glass balls into the atmosphere.

    But hey, there's a bright side:

    Hawaii prepares for election..Hawaii grapples with lava, hurricane as election nears
    SFGate – 23 hours ago

  • Reports of forest fires causing huge radiation like 1000 CPM on a geiger….
    Testing Wisconsin, two identical Radiation Alert Inspectors, one with Alpha window closed, nearly identical at 1550 in 1 hour….VERY NORMAL, and nice to see limited Alpha

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      stock, your tests? What do you think is the source of radioactivity? …normal?

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      stock, that comes to 25.8 CPM, yes?
      Pretty low, here in SoCal, 35 CPM is post-Fukushima normal.
      38 CPM with Alpha window open.

      • Yes, nicely low. That is inside, running a dehumidifier (never had one until last week) and a HEPA, in a half basement office. Radon system also present.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        when fallout has a difference in toxicity spanning 10,000x for a given radiation dose, what value are radiation readings, unless you know what it is exactly? would you be alarmed if it read 350,000 cpm? Could be that bad and only read 35 cpm

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          Code, that 10,000 difference you refer to means "depending on what radionuclide is involved", yes?
          With an Inspector, I can usually tell the diff. between gamma or Alpha & Beta. Helps a bit.

          About 18 months ago I had my first & only CT scan I will ever have.
          I felt it, made me sick drunk for hours. So much for "can't feel it".

          My geiger, four feet away read either 1.26 or 126… ×1000 !!!
          Don't know which is more "reasonable".

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            DangerKitty, the dose coefficient thing is really complicated. Knowing alpha, beta and gamma is interesting but not the metric to figure out risk. Neither is radiation quantity. Its really unfortunate.

            Uranium with low level radiation as in DU dust sticks onto DNA and weaponizes normally harmless background radiation. This you cannot measure.

            Thats just one thing. Hot particles is another.

            Somewhere there has to be the ECRR dose coefficients. But its all interesting reading, if one has the time;

            https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=ECRR+radionuclide+dose+coefficients&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              DK, cat scans are very large x ray doses. "CT emits a powerful dose of radiation, in some cases equivalent to about 200 chest X-rays"

              "An estimated 75 million CT exams were performed in the United States in 2009.5 Various estimates suggest that anywhere from 5% to 30% of these exams—each costing hundreds to thousands of dollars—may be medically unnecessary. "

              aint that a capitalist success story!

              CAT scan risk assessment is typical of the failure of science regarding radiation. It is only based on statistical, extrapolated chance of cancer, and never covers morbidity factors related to alterations in metabolism, or frequency specific characteristics or anything. Shame on radiation health physics

        • LOl I agree somewhat, but giving people the helplessness syndrome also sucks. Sure I would like to have a full on gamma scint lab, but at $140,000 I wont do it, and only 1 person wanted to contribute.

          Geigers increase knowledge and awareness. Shame that you denigrate them.

          • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

            " would you be alarmed if it read 350,000 cpm? Could be that bad and only read 35 cpm "

            No shame in that game.

            How about an isotope identifier with distance and weight measurements and fancy blinking lights? A nuclear metal detector.

            The background hype is gettin' old. Besides, it lends credence to the K40 comparison copout and all of the rest of the nuclear deception.

          • danger kitty danger kitty

            That brings up a question, stock.
            What do you think of the Polimaster 1703M01? It's only $300 more than an Inspector.
            Tom, who puts out rad vids under the name Antiproton thinks it's a real sensitive GC, capable of identifying isotopes pretty well, too.
            Have you checked it out?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            stock says "Geigers increase knowledge and awareness. Shame that you denigrate them."

            I disagree. Geigers give more false sense of safety than they warn of anything, unless you are in the middle of a nuclear attack or something.

            I suggest if you have a geiger and there are incoming nuclear warheads, you should break it out and take careful measurements

            On the other hand if you are hit with depleted uranium weapons, your geiger will give you a false sense of security

            "According to dose-effect relationships derived by
            international expert committees the natural radiation environment contributes to less than 1 % of the occurring malignant and genetic diseases.

            It is therefore usually assumed that the radiation
            effects of uranium in low concentrations are negligible compared to the heavy metal toxicity. Depleted uranium (DU) used in weapons contains even lower specific activity than natural uranium in its isotopic composition, and there can be no doubt that DU has caused severe health effects in populations of the bombed regions and in army personnel
            (Bertell 2006).

            In vitro experiments have shown that chromosome aberrations induced by DU are not explainable by the heavy metal property of the material but should be considered as radiation effect"

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    444 million dollar grant for Great Barrier Reef Foundation. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/barrier-reef-foundation-grant-shocking-myer-former-board-member/10090780

    Pretty good hunk of change

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    chunka change

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    interesting website Fukushima. I think terms of use and copyright says no posting to Facebook or Twitter. Not sure . I was bouncin around alot

    https://feww.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/80-percent-chance-of-major-catastrophe-at-fukushima-npp/

  • The Rust Belt is done with Donald Trump's gold-plated populism

    "Midwest voters know the difference between a populist and a plutocrat. They helped elect Donald Trump, and now they're voting to hold him accountable…"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/07/rust-belt-done-donald-trumps-fake-populism-column/926926002/

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    This is just disgusting.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/peter-hollingworth-urged-to-give-up-governor-general-pension/10091100

    "urged"

    Yeah, like he will just get an urge to give up millions

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    On the bright side, if you die you may stop paying taxes in a couple of years. Then, you just have to get your bank fees in order…

    "The inquiry also heard NAB charged a dead super fund member fees — something the bank uncovered in May, after the commission revealed Commonwealth Bank had charged dead customers."

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/nab-didnt-consider-whether-wrongly-charging-fees-was-a-crime/10089990

    WAIT A MINUTE. I thought Amurica was the greatest country. Nope. #1 Australia, #2 Amerurica, threesies goes to Nigeria, perhaps

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Speaking of banks… I asked for checks from my bank on 27 July. They said it would cost 26 bucks. I frowned. They ssid I could get a half-order for 13 bucks. I said that's what I want then.

    Still have not received them. Still have not been charged for them. They said I would be charged when the order went out.

    I guess I forgot to mention I needed them by the first…

    I asked for some temporary checks, the teller said they had never given temporary checks… Damn, they just give less and take more all the time.
    I remember being given temporary checks without even asking.

    Plus two bank branches closed in town, they stopped keeping a window open at any branch till 5 pm, They no longer are open Saturday morning…

    I tried to get night deposit envelopes but there were none available…

    This must be what they mean by us stupid poor folk just having to do more with less…

    You shareholders just got to do more with less, that's all. What's the stock market at now? 20 bajillion? SHEESH

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Chase bank (not my bank) sent me an envelope that said "$500 on us" .

    Ha, ha.

    How much of my taxes bailed you out? I bet there's a catch to that 500 bucks.

    I'm not even opening it. I know it does not contain $500 cash, but it should

  • Paul is Dead…remember that one?

    We analyzed every QAnon post on Reddit. Here’s who QAnon supporters actually are.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17657800/qanon-reddit-conspiracy-data

    Sure, Q might be a leftist troll or a bored teenager. But the reality is that the president of the United States is not only prone to believing conspiracy theories but surrounds himself with people who peddle conspiracy theories. And he has used the office of the presidency to legitimize conspiracy theories and lies.

    theory |ˈTHēərē, ˈTHi(ə)rē|
    noun ( pl. theories )
    a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained: Darwin's theory of evolution.
    • a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based: a theory of education | music theory.
    • an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action: my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged.
    • Mathematics a collection of propositions to illustrate the principles of a subject.

    • trumpery |ˈtrəmpərē| archaic
      noun ( pl. trumperies )
      attractive articles of little value or use.
      • practices or beliefs that are superficially or visually appealing but have little real value or worth.
      adjective
      showy but worthless: trumpery jewelry.
      • delusive or shallow: that trumpery hope which lets us dupe ourselves.
      ORIGIN late Middle English (denoting trickery): from Old French tromperie, from tromper ‘deceive.’

      hoax |hōks|
      noun
      a humorous or malicious deception: they recognized the plan as a hoax | [ as modifier ] : he was accused of making hoax calls.
      verb [ with obj. ]
      deceive with a hoax.
      ORIGIN late 18th cent. (as a verb): probably a contraction of hocus.

  • Ambiorix Ambiorix

    Sorry if its a repost or something..

    New study on the collapse of Mayan civilization should be climate wake-up call
    Under Trump's policies, the megadrought that devastated the Mayans will become the new normal.

    The Mayans had one of the world’s first written languages, used advanced mathematics, measured timed with an accurate calendar, produced durable rubber three millennia ago, and figured out “how to grow corn, beans, squash and cassava in sometimes-inhospitable places.”

    Yet after reaching its height in its “Classic” period (250 AD – 800 AD), the Mayan empire collapsed over the next two hundred years. While many theories have been offered — including environmental degradation, war, and drought — researchers from Cambridge’s Godwin Laboratory for Palaeoclimate Research have shown that the collapse “correlated with an extended period of extreme drought.”

    https://thinkprogress.org/a-megadrought-destroyed-the-mayan-civilization-were-next-92e10dea33c5/

  • Ambiorix Ambiorix

    Pakistan to plant 10 billion trees within five years to fight climate change

    Though Khan’s plan to combat the effects of global warming in the country was not reportedly a major issue in his campaign as the country grapples with terror attacks, the impacts of climate change, including rising temperatures and major flooding, have reportedly cost the country $6 billion to $14 billion in economic recovery and relief.

    “It is now imperative to tackle climate change and reverse environmental degradation, as Pakistan’s situation will only worsen as the economy grows,” Khan’s PTI party said in its manifesto.

    According to the Sustainable Development Policy Institute, Pakistan is the world’s seventh most vulnerable country to climate change despite being among the world’s least polluting countries, with a global emission contribution of 0.2 percent.

    The country also reportedly loses dozens of lives annually due to the extreme temperatures and monsoon floods, according to a recent report released by climate technology expert Qamar-Uz-Zaman Chaudhry.

    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/400541-pakistan-to-plant-10-billion-trees-within-five-years-to-fight

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    You can't handle the truth. Well, maybe you can.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOoCuDnmtyM

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Typhoon Shanshan is not that powerful but it looks like the center of rotation is moving along the coast and will pass right over FDNPP.

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=precip_3hr/orthographic=-220.99,38.39,3000/loc=141.012,37.179

    So grab a Mountain Dew and yell whoopee

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Unit 1 reactor is open on top, right? They eye is very small it's kind of like a tornado? I think I'll be watching on the tepco cam

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    4 kph in center of eye. gripping drama

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Mount some lawnmower blades under this puppy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpPi8wNed8

  • “…So much about America’s view of itself resists accepting a disturbing reality. Conventional wisdom long held that America’s free market would never tolerate the sort of clientelism, nepotism, and outright theft that prevailed in places like Brazil and Italy. Americans thought that globalization would export the hygienic habits of this nation’s financial system and its values of good government to the rest of the world. But over the past three decades, the opposite transpired: America has become the sanctuary of choice for laundered money, a bastion of shell companies and anonymously purchased real estate. American elites have learned to plant money offshore with acumen that comes close to matching their crooked counterparts’ abroad.

    “Manafort is one of the architects of this new world order. During the 1980s and ’90s, he provided strategic advice to the thuggish dictators who served as proxies for the Reagan administration’s anticommunist foreign policy. With his mastery of American media, he helped sanitize crooks like former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos and his wife, Imelda—the symbol of their rule, the 3,000 pairs of shoes she owned, was still fewer than the number of people by killed by the regime. These dictators (also Angola’s Jonas Savimbi, the Congo’s Mobutu Sese Seko, and Kenya’s Daniel arap Moi) should never have been respectable figures in Washington. But Manafort reinvented them as latter-day Thomas Jeffersons, allies in the cause of democracy, and…

    • [cont.] …successfully lobbied for them to receive arms and aid from the U.S. government.

      “As communism fell, the former Soviet Union became the scene of one of the biggest heists in history, and the opportunity of a lifetime for Paul Manafort. In Russia, the KGB steered billions of dollars into offshore accounts during the dying days of the regime, the beginning of a pattern of plunder best described by the late Karen Dawisha in her instant classic, Putin’s Kleptocracy. These funds became the basis for some of the fortunes of those who now appear as characters in the Russiagate scandal. Vladimir Putin himself amassed wealth that totaled more than $40 billion when Dawisha calculated his haul several years ago. Russians who invested in Trump real estate over the years had many motives. But everything we know about kleptocracy suggests that they were likely attempting to relocate their money to a place where it would both disappear from public view and have the protections that come with the American rule of law….”
      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/this-is-so-much-bigger-than-paul-manafort/566501/

  • Trump Cabinet Member Wilbur Ross Accused of Stealing More than $120 Million, According to Business Associates: Report
    8/7/18

    “Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross was accused of having stolen $120 million through a complex scheme at his previous investment company, which led to lawsuits, a fine by the Securities and Exchange Commission and some paybacks, according to a Forbes report published Tuesday.

    “The firm, WL Ross and Co., would allegedly charge investors extra management fees even if the value of their investment had fallen, and would also neglect to pay the required minimum percentage of fees attained on other deals, the report said, citing five former employees of the company.

    “Instead, the company would give investors a smaller amount of the required percentage and keep the rest, according to the SEC. Ross sold WL Ross and Co. to Invesco in 2006….”

    https://www.newsweek.com/ross-accused-stealing-120-million-1060598

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    After Typhoon Shanshan's eye passes Fuku, winds around 83-90 km/h will go through it.

    Thank God all the contaminates at Fukushima Daiichi are safely kept inside the .3 km^2 area inside the jetty! What a great radiation fence PM Abe built with his own two strong hands. The hero of Japan! Rough waters can't enter Abe's nuclide boarding school.

    Puking, gut-wrenching sarcasm fence should have been constructed, as well.

    • razzz razzz

      TEPCO lost containment as soon as the great quake struck. After sending Daiichi fallout throughout the world, it was silly to say they had things under control because (new) containment parameters included the manmade harbor. As if the fallout from the meltdowns is now safely contained within planet earth's geosphere. Just raise the background radiation levels and call it all good while suppressing cause of death on death certificates, changing and ignoring radiation poisoning diagnoses and accompanying syndromes plus having to deal with those pesky rising background radiation readings.

  • razzz razzz

    'IMF Criticizes Germany for its Chronic Trade Surplus?'

    "…By 2017, The German car manufacturer BMW actually produced 1.98 million passenger cars and light trucks built in the United States and were exported from there in the USA – not Germany. If we look at the dollar value of BMW exports from the USA, this accounted for $57.04 billion of U.S. international trade. BMW has actually become the largest manufacturer component that is being produced in the United States – not Germany.

    Donald Trump has criticized Germany for its high trade surpluses. The USA is Germany’s largest export market. The current account includes the exchange of goods and services between states as well as the movement of capital. I have stated before that if we allocate trade according to the flag the company flies, then the USA has over a $2 trillion trade surplus. Are the BMWs exported from the USA German or American trade? They are creating American jobs, but the cars say BMW and people think they are imported…"

  • razzz razzz

    'China to Support Syria Along with Russia Against USA'

    "…The Eastern half of Ukraine speak Russia, not Ukrainian as is the case in Crimea. To solve the crisis, Russia should allow an election that is run by the UN and you will see that Russian speaking people will prefer to be part of Russia, not Ukraine. Part of the revolution was driven by the fact that Yanukovich was really Russian and could not speak proper Ukrainian. That was at the center of the people rising up to overthrow him – not the CIA who then came in to manipulate who would follow him, but not to begin the revolution.

    It is the military and intelligence establishment that want war. It is the very reason for their existence. They have succeeded in confronting China and they keep waking up at night because of their dream of glory. It should not be surprising that China is entering the Middle East."
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/china-to-support-syria-along-with-russia-against-usa/

  • “This patriotism is rooted in the love of one’s own land and people, love too of the best ideals of one’s own culture and tradition.”
    https://www.thenation.com/article/what-patriotism/

    • Synonyms for patriotism
      noun love of one's country
      • loyalty
      • nationalism
      • allegiance
      • chauvinism
      • flag-waving
      • public spirit

      More words related to patriotism
      loyalty
      noun. faithfulness, dependability
      • adherence
      • allegiance
      • ardor
      • attachment
      • bond
      • conscientiousness
      • constancy
      • devotedness
      • devotion
      • duty
      • earnestness
      • faith
      • fealty
      • fidelity
      • homage
      • honesty
      • honor
      • incorruptibility
      • integrity
      • inviolability
      • obedience
      • patriotism
      • probity
      • reliability
      • resolution
      • scrupulousness
      • sincerity
      • single-mindedness
      • singleness
      • staunchness
      • steadfastness
      • subjection
      • submission
      • support
      • tie
      • troth
      • trueheartedness
      • trueness
      • trustiness
      • trustworthiness
      • truth
      • truthfulness
      • uprightness
      • zeal

      https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/patriotism

      • zeal
        zēl/
        noun
        noun: zeal

        great energy or enthusiasm in pursuit of a cause or an objective.
        "his zeal for privatization"
        synonyms: passion, ardor, love, fervor, fire, avidity, devotion, enthusiasm, eagerness, keenness, appetite, relish, gusto, vigor, energy, intensity; fanaticism
        "Ross's zeal for football"

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      The problem with patriotism is that its a kind of blind fervor and obsequiousness to the authorities and social customs of a particular country. Chinese are patriotic, North Koreans are patriotic, Nazis were patriotic.

      Patriotism is such a powerful control that people will kill; kill even their own countrymen because of it. They will go to war and kill because of patriotism, believe 'we' are good, 'they' are evil. Surely you can see the parallel in religion. The staunchly religious are very much like the staunchly patriotic.

      Patriotism creates pride and elitism, judgement without consideration, allegiance and mindless obedience to authorities, fear of being different, creative, fear and resistance of going against the system. The patriotic were the ones for abolition, incarcerating marijuana users, condemnation of draft dodgers, condemnation of hippies and new movements. Not ALL patriotic people, but the TREND…its a sliding scale.

      Confederate patriotism, and the civil war
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_patriotism

      This is an obvious danger concerning war, the inquisition, arms buildup, but also it a hindrance to flexibility, growth, development and change

      Why do people defend patriotism? Its like the people who complain that you are disparaging a 'sitting president'. They want the security, stability, strength in numbers, identification with a group. In short they are patriotic personalities.

      But, because you are patriotic about…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        But, because you are patriotic about patriotism, here is one and a half hours of patriotic music. Revel in it, feel it, march to it

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4daJ8gMtE-g

      • You are talking about excessive patriotism. The definition of ordinary patriotism is just based on love, real love like 'agape'. I thought you loved the land and wanted to live in harmony with the land as the Native Americans. I thought you love all the animals of the land. Loving your neighbor as yourself includes loving yourself as the basis.

        • America the Beautiful by Ray Charles
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUjr8EVgBg

          The sound isn't working on my computer right now.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          loving the land and animals means one must be un patriotic to the forces destroying it. Yet patriotism is all about the tribe and the leader. Nobody except a few like me say Im patriotic to the continent and the globe, not the shifting civilizations that conquer them. The system, as hopeful as it might seem, is in fact destroying life on earth, railroading people into being powerless obedient workers for the investment class and elites.

          Are the Japanese excessively patriotic? The Koreans? The Chinese? The Russians? The Americans? Where do you draw the line? Who is too patriotic, who is not patriotic enough, exactly?

          You dont need patriotism to defend and work for the things you deem good. Leave it at the door so you can bring all of your faculties to bear on the issues at hand, unhindered by the emotionally pinned customs and conventions of the simple minded and the yoke of the overlords

          • We are sojourners and exiles on the earth. Our only true home is heaven. But we are also given gifts and to be faithful in small things, we strive to make the world a better place wherever God has placed us on the earth.

            Which is why we are striving to persuade the whole earth to give us nuclear technology, to stop raping the earth and rely on wind, geothermal, hydro, and solar.

            And, yes, the whole earth is dependent on our efforts and prayers to restore earth so that it can sustain all life.

            We are grateful for food and shelter and the gift of education and free speech and the ability to love all of God's creatures and children.

    • GOM GOM

      The most VILE BIGOTED ceature to ever walk the face of the Earth is Trump's foreign policy advisor, his #1 'man'.

      This inhumane meglomaniac was advisor to Putin also. And his confidant man.

      He is responsible for aligning the US against China by 'boxing it in'.

      "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer," likely brought a smile to his legions of elite media" …

      If your going to chase politics, just don't read fake shit & make it your opinion, take the time to research & follow the truth.

      If you don't know who America's foreign advisor is, I'm not telling you.

  • GOP strategist grinds Trump into hamburger in new book, 'Everything Trump Touches Dies'

    “…It’s a reminder that, for the wide majority of us who aren’t too far gone, ideological disagreement should never be grounds for hatred. And love of country should rule the day….”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-met-trump-rick-wilson-huppke-20180806-story.html

    • More anti Trump hate speech from Anne.

    • Bring it on Anne, I love the way you quote the truth.

      The is no higher religion than the truth, The Dalai Lama

    • It amazes me how blind people are to the truth. Bash a President seems to be the new hobby for the blind that can see but just can't reason.

      All the truly nefarious have to do is type out a bunch of rumor and supposition about someone and the blind in spirit jump on it like a duck on a June Bug.

      Why? Because it suits their agenda.

      Can it make any real plausible sense that a president of a country over 200 years old has somehow, in a matter of a few years, become the all encompassing problem? One man in a system of thousands that has been in place for decades?

      America is not a dictatorship, no one man can control it, much less the president. This was by design and anyone that doesn't know that simple fact has to be thinking they know something that just doesn't exist in America.

      But the game has gotten way to easy for the real problem makers.

      Start a rumor anonymously on the internet and the blind and disgruntled will multiply it and make it seem possible. And the original perpetrators (pronounced perpa TRATORS) disappear and watch as the rumor spreads outta control.

      These blind bashers and rumor spreaders play right into the hands of the evil that is gossip and gossip spreading.

      And they all think they know something that's a secret. Problem is they never know the real secret…

      You are being manipulated by enemy's of your own country.

      And then you are a participator in and of that evil.

      So one man is responsible for all (or any) of the…

      • So one man is responsible for all (or any) of the problems we have from bad politics and many bad people doing what bad people do? Making bad and self centered decisions based on some small minded agenda?

        What a bunch of goblygook perpetrated by envious and outright bad people, then carried on and on by the blind sheeple.

        Will the rumors and blame game ever end?

        Not as long as there is a sucker left to spread that tripe and a fool left to believe it.

        • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

          Mean much?

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Rumpster has a very tough job..at some point all leaders in this world.. will have to think Earth first.

          The clock is ticking and there will be no place for greed in the future.

          Current projected future world condition states change must come and soon… if we and this planet as we know it are going to survive.

          • Absolutely obewan!

            The time has come for fast change but it has also come for distraction and rumors to be believed…

            A very dangerous combination…

            So change requires focus, but distraction takes away from that focus.

            The average blogger is not focused, they are distracted by loads of bad and frivolous information based mostly on opinion and rumor instead of facts.

            This translates to a need to know the secrets. The real facts are left wanting for this perfectly normal "need to know a secret" mentality.

            But while studying a "so called" secret that can't be confirmed (mostly because it's gossip or a put up story by the enemies of change), these potential country/world changers are distracted from the facts that are actionable and spend the time they could be making a difference studying things that can't be proven or make a difference.

            That's how bad continues in the face of the information age.

            All one has to do is flood the real information with unprofitable rumor and those that could make a difference are unempowered to make even the simplest of real changes.

            Why? Because they think they know something that will make for change and spend their time on that instead of the things that can be fixed.

            The key? Keep them distracted and believing they are actually doing something that counts, either by rumor that can't ever be proven or through propaganda stories that don't exist at all.

            While the world dies for lack of real action…

      • Just listen to the words of one rally led by the President.

        Just read every executive order.

        Just look at all his appointments.

        Just look at all the ways he violates the Constitution and is still furthering his personal monetary fortune.

        These are real documents and all the propaganda in the world can't change Trmp's words, executive orders, tweets, speeches, and raping of the environment.

        Just look at how he personally views nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. Just look at how he subsidizes coal and nuclear energy and fracking and GMOs and the oil and gas energy.

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Hashima – Brutal History and the Most Haunted Island on Earth"
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49997.htm

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    "Hitler's stated aim, Kuehnelt-Leddihn writes, is to quash individualism in furtherance of political goals:

    When Hitler and Mussolini attack the "western democracies" they insinuate that their "democracy" is not genuine. National Socialism envisages abolishing the difference in wealth, education, intellect, taste, philosophy, and habits by a leveling process which necessitates in turn a total control over the child and the adolescent. Every personal attitude will be branded—after communist pattern—as "bourgeois," and this in spite of the fact that the bourgeois is the representative of the most herdist class in the world, and that National Socialism is a basically bourgeois movement.

    Hitler in Mein Kampf repeatedly speaks of the "masses" and the "herd" referring to the people. The German people should probably, in his view, remain a mass of identical "individuals" in an enormous sand heap or ant heap, identical even to the color of their shirts, the garment nearest to the body."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

    This thing takes time, no one party need hold the bag.
    Conditioning, time, timing is important.

    Enjoy what you had. Prepare.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie

      "The Nazi Party had many working-class supporters and members, and a strong appeal to the middle class. The financial collapse of the white collar middle-class of the 1920s figures much in their strong support of Nazism. In the poor country that was the Weimar Republic of the early 1930s, the Nazi Party realised their socialist policies with food and shelter for the unemployed and the homeless—who were later recruited into the Brownshirt Sturmabteilung (SA – Storm Detachments).

      Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and he also indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps", stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism".

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        "Hitler distrusted capitalism for being unreliable due to its egotism, and he preferred a state-directed economy that is subordinated to the interests of the Volk.

        Hitler told a party leader in 1934, "The economic system of our day is the creation of the Jews." Hitler said to Benito Mussolini that capitalism had "run its course". Hitler also said that the business bourgeoisie "know nothing except their profit. 'Fatherland' is only a word for them." Hitler was personally disgusted with the ruling bourgeois elites of Germany during the period of the Weimar Republic, who he referred to as "cowardly shits".

        My little sister, while on long trips, 'are we there yet?'

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Culturally, the bourgeois man is unmanly, effeminate, and infantile; describing his philistinism in Bonifica antiborghese (1939), Roberto Paravese said that the:

        Middle class, middle man, incapable of great virtue or great vice: and there would be nothing wrong with that, if only he would be willing to remain as such; but, when his child-like or feminine tendency to camouflage pushes him to dream of grandeur, honours, and thus riches, which he cannot achieve honestly with his own "second-rate" powers, then the average man compensates with cunning, schemes, and mischief; he kicks out ethics, and becomes a bourgeois.

        The bourgeois is the average man who does not accept to remain such, and who, lacking the strength sufficient for the conquest of essential values—those of the spirit—opts for material ones, for appearances.

        The economic security, financial freedom, and social mobility of the bourgeoisie threatened the philosophic integrity of Italian fascism, the ideological monolith that was the régime of Prime Minister Benito Mussolini. Any assumption of legitimate political power (government and rule) by the bourgeoisie represented a fascist loss of totalitarian state power for social control through political unity—one people, one nation, and one leader. Sociologically, to the fascist man, to become a bourgeois was a character flaw inherent to the masculine mystique; therefore, the ideology of Italian fascism scornfully defined the bourgeois man as…

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        the ideology of Italian fascism scornfully defined the bourgeois man as "spiritually castrated".

        Obviously, interpretation/comprehension can provide more than one path to an end. To what end, becomes more interesting day by day.

        Funny, less than 100yrs, back in the same place. Musta took the wrong fork in the road. Or preparing to do so.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Air, there is a thought that civilization never reaches equilibrium, but that psychopathic leaders and enabling sheeple rise and fall in one wave of bloodshed after another. Think of it as dynamic

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Very dynamic..usually the rich only get richer while the poor/pay/pave their way.

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Indeed.
            Reminds me of standing on the beach, timing the 'sets'.
            It changes, day to day, during the day, always.
            But…there is a pattern, a familiarity of the motion.

            Get it right, there is a good time to be had.
            Get it wrong, get your ass handed to you.

            Getting it right, is never 100%. 😆

          • NOTHING on this planet (or in this universe) EVER reaches equilibrium.

            Arguing over that is like two fleas arguing over the dog that they live on…

            The real question is are you pushing the trend to the good side or the bad side or are you just along for the ride…

            The good side empowers the individual through individual accomplishment, the bad side dis empowers through defeatism and the why bother mentality. Just along for the ride creates boredom and bad actions.

            I'll bet some of the happiest and empowered people on earth are those that live in huts and have no care for the modern world…

            When it gets hot, they are hot, when it's cold they are cold, when they get hungry they find something to eat and when it's time to go, they squat in the woods.

            All this subjective happiness is "stuff"? What you have or what you don't have? If you live in the free world, it's up to you to make your own way? The glaring opinions for those that don't have is that those that seem to have two of everything are the most miserable and treacherous people in the world.

            Sometimes that's true, but that's only a few.

            Now why do you think that is?

            Wealth in the modern world is a skill set, food and shelter in the wilds of the Amazon is also a skill set.

            Happiness and prosperity is a state of being that comes from having and USING the right skill set.

            Boredom and inaction leads to poverty no matter who or where you are.

            Equilibrium? No such thing, not…

              • OK Doc…

                Riddle me this…

                You find a problem with everything Trump…

                So you think there is a problem with:

                Establishing the President's National Council for the American Worker?

                What about:

                Establishment of the Task Force on Market Integrity and Consumer Fraud?

                I challenge you to open your eyes and stop being sucked into president bashing.

                Not I'm one that actually studies facts and ignores names so here's a challenge for you…

                For the next 30 days don't post anything with the name Trump in it.

                If you find a so called problem involving the President research until you can find a explanation without blaming President Trump for it.

                I'll guarantee you can on EVERY subject you truly research as there are hundreds of people that make the final decisions on these matters.

                If you actually know how our system works you already know this simple truth.

                If you don't you need to study the constitution, if you already know how our system works and continue to bash our president you are either insane or a commie.

                So try it! find a problem with the bashing of Trump in it and then go find out that it's not a new problem but a old one made by someone else and controlled be many other people.

                Start be looking at this…

                The definition of a executive order under the constitution?

                https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Executive+Order

            • Equilibrium? No such thing, not even our graves will have equilibrium…

              If your cells reach equilibrium someone will be digging a hole for that equilibrium, if the oceans reach equilibrium there will be no one left to dig.

              Same with the Sun.

              Same with the solar system.

              Same with the galaxy.

              Same with the galaxy next door to us.

              And same with the entire universe.

              There is NO such thing as equilibrium, never has been, never will be on planet earth or anywhere else in this universe for that matter.

              We don't want no stinkin equilibrium, disequilibrium is what keeps the world spinnin round.

            • I just posted ‘America the Beautiful’ by Ray Charles. Do you think this song, written before Communism even existed, is a Commie song?

              http://enenews.com/forum-off-topic-discussion-thread-non-nuclear-issues-new-as-of-january-2017/comment-page-181#comment-912390

              • "before Communism even existed"

                You have that one backwards Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar.

                Come on Doc. you are still sucked into someone's interpretation of a word…

                That's how brain washing works.

                Communism existed from the beginning and is the OLDEST WAY OF LIFE ON THE PLANET!!!

                When the first child was born on planet earth the mother and father both contributed and did their respective jobs equally (what ever the individual responsibilities were) and benefited from them equivocally, when the child was old enough and capable he (or she) also found that responsibility and also worked in his or her own way to contribute to the collective existence.

                Penalty for not doing what you could was boredom followed by the death of your surroundings, followed by the death of anyone that didn't do what they could for everyone everyday. Some outside force would wipe you out, be it a animal or simply the weather or disease, it didn't matter.

                But throw a little brain washing, a few lies and selfish people in there and you get socialism where if you are borne to those that have, you enslave and rule over those that do not.

                If you see that for what it is you will realize that there is NO communism on planet earth (except for a few old style villages in very remote places) and the whole communism thing has been dead everywhere you know of since the first house payment was made…

                There's a clue as to how blind (and brainwashed) we really are today…

                • Socialism is NOT and never was communism. Capitalism tried to remedy this by saying here's the score, you get what you give and we will give you a coin to keep score. If you do nothing you get nothing.

                  Modern so called communism was actually Marxism that said, we are smarter than you so we will keep you ignorant and tell you what to do. You are born to what you are and have no way to advance in society.

                  So the only system that ever worked equivocally was communism…

                  But that has been gone since the invention of the coin.

                  I wonder if you know how long ago that was…

                  https://www.ancient.eu/coinage/

                  …almost as old as brainwashing.

                  • America the Beautiful

                    O beautiful for spacious skies,
                    For amber waves of grain,
                    For purple mountain majesties
                    Above the fruited plain!
                    America! America!
                    God shed His grace on thee,
                    And crown thy good with brotherhood
                    From sea to shining sea!

                    O beautiful for pilgrim feet
                    Whose stern impassioned stress,
                    A thoroughfare for freedom beat
                    Across the wilderness!
                    America! America!
                    God mend thine every flaw,
                    Confirm thy soul in self-control,
                    Thy liberty in law!

                    O beautiful for heroes proved
                    In liberating strife,
                    Who more than self their country love
                    And mercy more than life!
                    America! America!
                    May God thy gold refine
                    Till all success be nobleness,
                    And every gain divine!

                    O beautiful for patriot dream
                    That sees beyond the years,
                    Thine alabaster cities gleam
                    Undimmed by human tears!
                    America! America!
                    God shed His grace on thee,
                    And crown thy good with brotherhood
                    From sea to shining sea!

                    Oh beautiful for halcyon skies
                    For amber waves of grain
                    For purple mountain majesties
                    Above the enameled plain!
                    America! America!
                    God shed His grace on thee,
                    Till souls wax fair as earth and air
                    And music-hearted sea!

                    O beautiful for pilgrim feet
                    Whose stern impassioned stress,
                    A thoroughfare for freedom beat
                    Across the wilderness!
                    America! America!
                    God shed His grace on thee,
                    Till paths be wrought through wilds of thought
                    By pilgrims foot and knee!
                    Oh beautiful for glory tale
                    Of liberating strife,
                    When once and twice for man’s avail
                    Men…

                • The first people believed in God.

                  America the Beautiful is a song written in praise of God.

                  Communism doesn't allow any other religion but the religion of the Communist state.

                  • Well doc all I can say is BULLSHIT…

                    True communism has nothing and EVERYTHING to do with churches….

                    Always has, always will…

                    As a example let's look at the churches just in Russia that by the way weren't communist, if they had been run as a true communist empire they would have been the strongest and most prosperous place on earth.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cathedrals_in_Russia

                    So who built those churches? What did they get paid by the state to build those churches? Nothing, nadda, nilch, zippo, zero.

                    Do those churches actually exist? Are they still there today?

                    Now before you get confused yet again, the former USSR was Socialist/Marxist.

                    Not communist.

                    But to break years of misguided brain washing and assumption is next to impossible, so I don't expect a Trump basher to even want to get it.

                    Now I personally am totally against Socialist/Marxist traveling under the guise of communists and am completely against imprisoning people for slave labor or political gain.

                    But…

                    Bullheadedness with a head full of fake and supposed information makes a hard sell.

                    Russia was never communist. Communists were communists and were eliminated for reasons that had little to do with living in those countries. The idea we all get the same pay from your garbage man to your dentist was a little hard to swallow for some… Mostly those that had the money to bribe and brainwash…

                    Too much all at once I'd expect.

                    But how silly are…

                    • But how silly are we to just believe anything we see on TV or the internet and ignore history?

                      Pretty damn silly indeed…

                      And the numbers of sheeple continue as the war for your mind desends into grammer school style fairy tales…

                      What a experiment to see how gullible the population is…

                      And soon to be followed by the take over of those with real facts and knowledge…

                      Problem is they may not be motivated by kindness to those that know nothing and can contribute nothing as a result.

                      Then you need them? Like a mental patient…

                      All as the plan of a then necessary facetious takeover…

                      And no, that's not a typo…

                      fa·ce·tious
                      [fuh-see-shuhs]

                      ADJECTIVE
                      1.
                      not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
                      2.
                      amusing; humorous.
                      3.
                      lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

    • A big part of the feminism "effort" was to

      1) get more slave working, more wealth to capture
      2) get kids into schools and care centers earlier and longer so they can be "educated" aka indoctrinated "better"

      In the 50's 60's one working income was plenty good (and likely just 40 hours a week) to cover all the expenses of a family. Now it is more like 2.5 incomes. Progress? Yes, for the super rich and the power mongers.

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        My wife was shocked at a comment I made to her, she was criticizing the 'goofy' claim of a 'family unit' of 2.7 people. She works directly with low income/county level programs/people.

        My comment was simple. You imagine 2 adults + .7 dependant, when reality is 1 adult, more than 50% of the time. Is that not 'why' you have a job, at least a large portion of it? Who is your 'majority' customer?

        See what they have done there?
        See how we have been co-opted?
        "Dearest". 😉

        So the horn-blowers tell us 'women are able to compete with men, and the pay gets ever closer, educated are even exceeding men's wages'.

        Maybe those women can share with the vast majority who were forgotten, encouraged to be single, left behind, basically, lied to. Presented and shoved into a 'program', that never had 1 iota of care and compassion for the end result, the functional family unit.

        Truly evil men AND women designed/promoted this shit, for their benefit

        Ya, it is working.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          adding women to the work force is very capitalist. If two working are required to have the life of one worker (women worked tirelessly at the homestead), then following the same vector, three, then four will be required. But there arent any more!

          In reality, the reverse should have happened. The industrial revolution should free people from work. If you look at productivity through automation, the real numbers indicate that one person should only work 2 or 3 hours a day to have the same benefits as an 8 hour shift 100 years ago. What happened? The situation is not new, they were called robber barrons

          • razzz razzz

            CodeShutdown: I know you are to fundamentally flawed to admit you don't know the difference between 'capitalists' and 'socialists' but it is interesting to watch you struggle with it in your own mind.

            Women working is part of a socialist agenda whereby everyone must contribute for the greater good. The way that is accomplished is through taxation. Create a money burden that can never be met due to ever rising debt to cover socialist programs and everyone must work towards that end, attainable or not.

            This may be to simple for your complicated thinking.

            Go back in time and look at what changed in taxation for the US and see what transpired up until today.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              hi razzz. I agree Im fundamentally flawed. thats a different subject than women in the work force. Your premise seems to be that over taxation was the true cause of needing women in the workforce and that Im too stupid to see it.

              Here is a typical graph of U.S. taxation
              https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2192606/original.jpg

              When the U.S. rallied to WWI and II the women entered the manufacturing sphere. What allowed this? In my opinion, the productive agrarian bounty permitted it. Patriotism motivated the people. The investment class profited from it.

              Is taxation the cause of halving the real wealth such that two need to hold jobs where one sufficed? Consider, if you can set aside your bias for a moment, that capitalism created this situation. Specifically, the people that dont contribute gross national product, but receive it or skim from it.

              In short, the people are carrying the military and many other anti productive people…the investment class, on their shoulders. this chart makes it clear, although it doesnt show the banking, usury problem
              https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted.png

              Taxes are a burden, the usury on the debt is purely cash out, a funnel into the lenders pockets and appears to be about 1/3 to 1/2 the defense budget! They LOVE the debt.

            • razzz razzz

              I'm sure CodeShutdown is already typing out some twisted logic to support free enterprise is capitalist or some other convoluted argument.

              They passed the 16th Amendment to supposedly support the war effort then started changing its simple wording to legal definitions for encompassing income and who was made to file.

              From there, evolving additional deductions were for Social Security, Medicare, unemployment fund, these are all socialist agendas that in noway can pay for themselves. This besides government spending that knows no end.

              16th Amendment was actually to be temporary has they actually had to enact it by changing the Constitution which forbid such a type of taxation. Possible legal as written but the changed the wording to legal definitions, morphing the meaning of income taxation into something else.

              An example would be the definition of 'income'. To say that a person has no value and any monetary enrichment acquired while 'working' is a gain means there is no tradeoff or no barter occurred. IOW, a person's time working for wages is treated as a gain or income, when in fact they broke even. Your time traded usually for some monetary value is no gain at all just a simple trade. Of course unless your being has no value to begin with then everything you get is a gain.

              • razzz razzz

                16th Amendment was originally meant as a corporate tax, it was not meant to be an individual taxation but they morphed that into including wages as a gain. The WWs were used an excuse to further the 16th Amendment to be all inclusive in funding war machines.

                If you recall, as all men were drafted and off to war(s), women handled all manufacturing jobs that men otherwise held during peacetime. That's why the high percentage of women in the workforce during WW2 for example.

                Farming employment was the largest driver of the US economy until manufacturing overtook the employment percentage of workers. Automation in farming drove workers out and to industrial manufacturing jobs (see Henry Ford's production line improvements). Now technology is the main driver of new jobs as things are ever changing with new innovations.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                razzz you seem to think that social security and medicare is a drain while military spending is an economic growth. The opposite is the case. People PAY into medicare and social security and get some back. Is it a drain to put money in a piggy bank and get it out later? Its a common meme for you folks to complain this is draining the wealth.

                The same is not true for the military machine, what to say of the interest on the debt. The people pay out yet dont get the money back because the military is a true welfare recipient. Alternatively, you could call it forced protection money…like the mafia.

                the usury on the debt is pure theft and the lenders love it. It has yields. Sure it does

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                razzz, heres your trumpet call for capitalism. Ignore the fact that its incorrect. They have your free market and they even worked rulalaw into it

                Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Politically, it is the system of laissez-faire. Legally it is a system of objective law (rule of law as opposed to rule of man). Economically, when such freedom is applied to the sphere of production its result is the free-market.

                http://www.capitalism.org/

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Razzz, you must not be a capitalist business man. This change had nothing to do with socialism it had everything to do with capitalistic profits and men being able to grab some of the good stuff. They did not have to into the homes anymore.. the good stuff was right out on the production floor.

              You are the one that does not understand the whats or the whys of many things.

              • razzz razzz

                obewanspeaks: Careful what you wish for. What once applied to only corporations now applies to you.

                Congress is your true target albeit the States had to approve the 16th Amendment.

                In the meantime, you can tell us the difference between capitalists and free enterprise.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Nuclear, its a capitalist success story. Im trying to remember the name of the fine fellow who first brought the Anderson Price indemnity law to ENEnews. A great poster.

                  The Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act is a United States federal rulalaw, which governs liability-related issues for all non-military nuclear facilities. The tax payer must pay for accidents and damages. Rarely mentioned, the public Always pays for everything. Who else?

                  the Act indemnifies Department of Energy and private contractors from nuclear incidents even in cases of gross negligence and willful misconduct.

                  The Price-Anderson Act has been used as an example of corporate welfare by Ralph Nader.

                  I call this collusion of government, corporations and military fascism. Its a capitalist success story…make mo money! Screw the people and the environment, only the market counts

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Razzz, I will have to give that some thought..right now I am going to the bank to make a fatty deposit and then I will heading out to the production floor to administer some training for some our new female hires.

                  The good stuff is only a couple of feet away! Yippee!

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  I tried to tell you this once before..all that you see and all the damage now happening all over this Earth boils down to one thing..and that one thing can now be found on millions of production floors.

        • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

          Family unit 😟

          So unnatural.

          Further and further from tradition and unprecedented disconnection with the environment.

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            They go hand in hand.

            Imagine, telling the Tiger to bring the Elk his dinner.
            The snake to fetch a fish for the bear.
            Maybe a Moose to babysit the raccoons.

            What we are doing to/for ourselves is a colossal failure.

            We have no respect for nature/order, we can not afford it.

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          Oh dear, the path is/is not clear?

          Since women have been 'encouraged' heavily to compete, to be 'complete', do we find ourselves:

          More with a socialist agenda?
          Less?
          About the same?

          Interestingly, I can imagine 1 person working 30-32hrs/week, keep that 'full-time-benefit thing going', 1 person caring for the family unit, 2-4 youngins.
          Very limited immigration…to 'Overachievers' hahaha, with money..hahah

          Full employment based on need/design/future path/stability.

          Shockingly, that is not the case.
          It is a joint effort.
          It is working.
          A lost tribe.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      So very fukued.
      It won't stop. Ever. Stupidest Fukup in human history. Unfortunately and thus.

      Speeding up nuclears imminent domain progress…

      http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1205/ML12052A099.pdf
      Ponder the redacts. SMH.
      Worth the read- If you like horror flicks.

      If you missed this last night: https://www.space.com/11653-japanese-satellite-declared-dead-daichi.html
      Note the timing.

      https://qz.com/1351279/the-hidden-water-footprint-of-fossil-fuel-and-nuclear-power-plants/ More trespass.

      Nuclear: On our way out. All of us. Period. Have a nice day.

  • slandermen slandermen

    Ok, so. Kratom mention again.

    https://www.livescience.com/61694-kratom-warning-opioids-definition.html

    Everything you need to know about why it's not shit. Just don't do super hardcore physical stuff when you use kratom, you may injure yourself.

    Anyway, I got a person off of opioids and other pharmaceuticals, he went from daily usage, maybe multiple times a day of ibuprofen, codeine and other NSAIDs to occasional usage of kratom (maybe once every third day.

    I also have an old dog which has a number of physical issues that really likes it, to the point that he'd drink/eat red maeng da clean with only a tiny bit of water and considering how bitter it is…

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Well, this doesn't exist… http://www.stltoday.com/business/sheen-in-lake-ontario-identified-as-oil-from-nuclear-plant/article_ceca363c-ba77-5cc1-bb2a-138c9b0fad94.html

    Sheen in Lake Ontario identified as oil from nuclear plant
    SCRIBA, N.Y. (AP) — The operator of the Fitzpatrick Nuclear Power Plant says spilled lubrication oil that caused a sheen on Lake Ontario isn't hazardous and has low potential health effects. The U.S. … 2 years ago.

  • razzz razzz

    You just have to learn to live with sanctimonious postings by Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar. The Russian collusion talking points didn't pan out so she has to post about Trump turning on his own son. She has a weak mind and patriots whatever is placed before her, willingly and proudly.

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