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  • In effect, Fukushima has become the world’s largest dirty bomb, and the remaining fuel rods could explode (achieve criticality) at any moment. Even right now, the radiation is so intense that robots built to explore the wreckage can only survive for a few hours before their circuits are destroyed. Thus, there’s almost no scenario in which Japan, Tepco or anybody in the world figures out how to clean up the wreckage, reclaim the melting fuel rods and reestablish control over the nuclear reactions that are still ongoing.

    http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/nuclear-engineer-fukushima-last-250000-years/

    • DUDe DUDe

      That they diddent figure that all out BEFORE starting/escalating the nuclear "adventure" aka armsrace and NPP timebombs everywhere is really the crime to finish all crimes..paradise got nuked..

      If thats not enough proof of deadly arrogance to punch every armanisuit in the nose i don't know what is..sort of speak..

      night all..

  • razzz razzz

    It's an uphill battle to cleanup anything.

    The sexually weak have to keep adding outlying organizations to their alphabet name to appear relevant as if they represent a great mass of people. If they included murders and polygamists, they would still only represent less than 5% of the population, no matter how long their alphabet name gets to be.

    '$15 Million in Taxpayer Money Has Been Paid Out to Settle Congressional http://ntknetwork.com/15-million-in-taxpayer-money-has-been-paid-out-to-settle-congressional-sexual-harassment-suits/Sexual Harassment Suits'

    'DRAG-QUEEN DEMON READS TO KIDS AT MICHELLE OBAMA LIBRARY'
    http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/drag-queen-demon-reads-to-kids-at-michelle-obama-library/

    'British Bishops Abolish “Father” and “Mother”'
    https://www.gloria.tv/article/BJj9zDd9Xgtq3zVekQi4WGhdj

    'New Hampshire Lawmaker Equates Homeschooling to ‘Child Abuse’ – Nanny State Measures to be Pushed on Parents'
    http://planetfreewill.com/new-hampshire-lawmaker-equates-homeschooling-child-abuse-nanny-state-measures-pushed-parents/

    'Exclusive: Former Joe Biden Secret Service Agent: We Had to Protect Women From Him, ‘Weinstein Level Stuff’'
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Trade deficit disconnect?

    Census.gov only lists up to september:
    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2017

    But, this is about $100b more:
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

    So which is it? Probably neither, right?

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      What's even weirder about that tradingeconomics value for the balance with china, it lists 381.74, but refers to US HML, wtf is that?

      Since I'm not an economist, what does that mean? It kinda looks like some sort of extrapolated value.

      The census.gov value seems to be 0th order, but I don't know about the HML thing.

      Is it like, position+(previous position-position)?

      • razzz razzz

        It is an accounting technique. Pseudo examples: Carry or show items on your books but what are they really worth come accounting time? Choose market-to-market value (what the item can sell for on a certain date), book value (you can makeup a number), loss versus gain number, etc. You get the picture. Plenty of room for margin of error or to fudge numbers even if there are standard accounting practices, you can always change your fiscal accounting year.

        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/high_minus_low.asp

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          Yeah I get it, I was kinda trying to point that out with my comments.

          You know, as a physicist, extrapolating is a wonderful thing if you want explosions, errors and system instability.

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          Btw Razz, what do you reckon those Trump, China deals mean in terms of exports?

          I was doing some (very) crude math and got to about an average of 1.4b export increase per month for the next 7 years or so, quite conservatively.

          To me, it really doesn't seem like american citizens will benefit from it.

          • razzz razzz

            You are asking about details. I don't know. To hazard a guess, maybe break even with China this time around.

            If China is committed to building plants in right to work States here, there will be local gains to communities (jobs and supporting work).

            If big companies like Boeing set up shop in China less of a gain for US income except on a stock market share price level.

            China is still in it infancy as a world leader. They have lots of mouths to feed and don't treat those mouths very well to begin with. With technology, they are dimwits having to rely on US blueprints and ripoffs. Something about a (semi) free society's creativity not being burdened compared to a communist will of oppression. As western influences take hold, ChiComs (military aspect) will have to relent or risk becoming stagnant. Their people are not stupid just saddled.

            • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

              "You are asking about details. I don't know. To hazard a guess, maybe break even with China this time around."

              I doubt it. Considering the difference and the rate of change, the fact that many of those deals are based on existing deals (a guy who used to work for Boeing told me about this, and the boeing deal alone is like $50b), a 1/3rd of those deals' total is predicated on the idea of environmental/geographical exploitation in west virginia.

              That pretty much diminishes the "perceived" value of those 250B deal headline, imo. Because those are mostly longer term deals and it reads to me that it is more beneficial for china than america.

              Yeah, I'm saying it, DT is selling you out.

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Sorry, got shit backwards.

    *position+(position-previous position)

    I know it's not quite that, since that would be verlet or symplectic euler integration, and that high-low looks more extrapolated than that.

  • Farthington MacMananus
    November 15, 2017 at 3:12 am

    Btw, how long do average solar panels last? I mean I've never bought any.

    25 years is the average warranty. I have seen panels 40 years old still working. those were primitive stuff.

    My guess 35 years.

    Personally Installed not much, but tracking each system, enough to retire though, 19,000 panels have had 3 failures on panels. Beyond belief really.

    Via joint ventures with really large companies, maybe 1,300,000 panels. Not sure on stats for failures on those.

    stock out

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Yeah I figured they'd last a while, but probably lose some efficiency.

      Some of a friend's parents had solar panels on their roof about 25 years ago.

      And yeah, it's not like they're new either, but the efficiency doesn't seem to have increased that much (like, maybe 50%? I'm just guessing) over the last 30 years or so. Which is why I worry a bit about the actual advancement, related to that other comment I made about too much "standardizing".

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    You know those Kickstarter things? A few years ago I had an idea regarding that, but before I mention it I'm going to mention something someone I know (programmer) said. "<eihrul> kickstarter is the principle that evil comes on a sliding scale"

    So like, I had this idea. An alternative to Kickstarter, you would have a funding goal, right. But also a profit goal.

    So let's say you get funding past your funding goal, here's another neat thing, you could start paying back some percentage to initial funders. But wait, there's more! As you approach the profit goal, you could lower the price of the product (depending on the product AND/OR pay back some of it to funders (weighted relative to their contribution, time of funding/purchase with respect to development and production time).

    In this way, a person could actually make more money (well, obviously not really, which I think CS would agree with) for other people, if he/she wanted to.

    You know what's fucked? I'm not allowed to help.

  • DUDe DUDe

    German Homeless Population Explodes By One-Third In 2016 As Migrant Crisis Takes Its Toll

    According to a recent estimate published by the Federal Association for Assistance for the Homeless, the number of homeless people living on Germany’s streets has risen by 33% in a matter of just a couple of years, to 52,000. Meanwhile, as The Local notes, the number of Germans who can't afford their own home and have been forced to rely on the generosity of family and friends for a place to sleep every night has also risen a staggering 26%, to over 400,000 people.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-14/german-homeless-population-explodes-one-third-2016-migrant-crisis-takes-its-toll

  • DUDe DUDe

    Noone can escape the humiliating consequence of being controlled by deseased people..deseased greed and selfishness to the max..just shout "commie" to any critics..maybe the pussyfooting critic should be replaced with a instant lifesentence..
    —-

    Millions Of Millennials Could Be Trading Sex For Their Next Debt Payment – Here's How

    As the storm clouds of peak stupidity gather over the heads of the millennial generation who were conned by banks, government, and universities to take out excessive amounts of leverage in auto loans, credit cards, and student debt; millions have flocked to a new website seeking ‘Sugar Daddies’ and or even ‘Sugar Mommies’ to pay off their debt amid an economic environment where wage growth remains non-existent.

    Today’s real simple get-out-of-debt option for the broke college/post college millennial is through an unconventional dating website called SeekingArrangement.com.

    In total, Americans owe more than $1.3 trillion in student loan debt to federal government agencies and or private lenders.

    As explained by UBS strategist Matthew Mish, millennials have never been more in debt and this shocking development could hint why millennials are resorting to an online dating site, in the millions to trade sex for their next debt servicing payment.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-14/millions-millennials-could-be-trading-sex-their-next-debt-payment-heres-how

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      DUDe, I love that phrase in your link: peak stupidity
      I've been laughing for 10 minutes, oh man.
      Peak stupidity. Does that mean stupidity is over & done with? Things can't get any stupider?
      I don't know, man, I'm still seeing large piles of stupid almost everywhere I look…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        trading sex for debt…the scum wont be able to create loan bubbles fast enough. Now with the legitimization of 'dating', the indebted youth will be able to prostitute themselves for lodging, meals, student loans, transportation, clothes.

        Heres an idea….the legions of poor youth can purchase stock on speculation, and in return, the stock sellers will accrue leverage on sex….but neither will know how well the investment will perform. What would be a good name for this enterprise? Orgasmatrade…..Skimmer….BrokerBall….Investiphilia…Fuckstock…SchtuppFunds…MeatMarket….LoinLeverage…Slick Willie Wanker Exchange

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          "the stock sellers will accrue leverage on sex"?
          Ya, in certain 'positions', leverage is very useful.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          I was really excited today when I received an all black envelope for the Luxury Card!

          I ran to my office and ripped it open and thought the tax breaks where already filtering down.

          With an 830 credit score I am thinking wow is must be a gift from God as it stated it was best in its class and there where many patents for the card which is metal! Oh my God I am thinking a patented credit card made out of metal and black and just for me. Love Master Card..so honest and good!

          So the terms where to die for..just so great for the consumer and apparently legal!

          To carry this card it will only cost me $495.00 per year and $195.00 per year for others authorized

          Late payment only $37.00, Balance transfer only 3% and cash advance only 5% Wow!

          Interest rate for purchases only 15.99% Wow! I can buy allot of shit on credit!

          Interest rate for cash advance/loan only 26.24% Wow! I can really get screwed here! Love it!

          If you live in the U.S…bend over!

          Only an idiot would accept such an offer!

          We have a nations of idiots controlled by thieves!

          It is time to close down the farm…all of it! 🙂

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Peak Stupidity hahaha love it. No bell curve here…/\
        \
        \
        \
        splat

        http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-why-rome-fell

        Invasions by Barbarian tribes
        Economic troubles and overreliance on slave labor
        Overexpansion and military overspending
        Government corruption and political instability
        Christianity and the loss of traditional values(crowd pleaser :lol:)

        4 out of 8 ain't bad.

        In 2000years it will all seem like history. 🙂

      • DUDe DUDe

        Lol , quit a few got a kick out of that "peak stupidity" terminology..good.. 🙂

        "Peak stupidity. Does that mean stupidity is over & done with? Things can't get any stupider?"

        Sorry DK , i'm afraid its always a comparising with previous known levels/history..without any info what we will be talking about when we compare tomorrow's levels with the day after tomorrow..except that it will probably be further of the charts then thought possible today , but thats based on insight and pattern recognition in apeman's current evolution..insofar what it has to show for today can be called that with a serious face 🙁

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Everybody is just fighting off colds..up there on the hill.

      California Rep. Jackie Speier says that $15million in taxpayer money has been used to settle sexual harassment claims against members of Congress in the past 10 to 15 years.

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5085129/Congress-sex-harassment-claims-settled-tax-money.html#ixzz4yWFltYHM
      Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  • DUDe DUDe

    Last one from good ole ZeroHedge..

    Zimbabwe's Military Seizes Power, Holds President Mugabe

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-15/zimbabwe-coup-escalating-investors-watch-rand

  • DUDe DUDe

    Satanist Netanyahu is mad, sad, and still wants to be bad

    People like Netanyahu are Satanists not because they are drinking blood or calling up spirits, as in the case of Aleister Crowley, Rosaleen Norton, L. Ron Hubbard, and Antorn Lavey.[3] No, these people are Satanists because they want to destroy the moral and political order by any means necessary.

    Netanyahu is mad and sad. He wants to continue to step out of his political bound and upset a ceasefire that has already been taking place in Syria. He is hopelessly and desperately trying to find a way to attack Syria, so has come up with a new lie and hoax. He has recently declared:

    “I have also informed our friends, firstly in Washington and also our friends in Moscow, that Israel will act in Syria, including in southern Syria, according to our understanding and according to our security needs.”[1]

    Pay close attention to what this joker is saying here. Israel will attack Syria according to their needs, not according to international law. How again can this man universalize this principle? What if Syria or Iran or any country in the Middle says the same thing? What if they say that they will act in Israel according to their needs? Would Israel like this? Would the West like this? And why is this man not being challenged by either Russia or the United States for saying crazy things like this?

    More..

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/11/15/satanist-netanyahu-is-mad-sad-and-still-wants-to-be-bad/

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    "Working Electronic Circuits 3D-Printed With UV Light"

    https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/259030-3d-printer-uv-light-working-electronic-circuits

    Hmmm. Now I'm thinking of that CL Fluorescent stuff.

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Ganja Growing Guy…

    https://youtu.be/O1vtx5sDxrg?t=32

    This is probably one of the best ads for weed I've seen.

    • DUDe DUDe

      How A 12-Year-Old Girl Could Cause Cannabis To Be Legalized Nationwide

      A twelve-year-old girl with epilepsy is suing Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the Department of Justice, and the Drug Enforcement Agency to legalize cannabis across the country.

      Alexis Bortell developed epilepsy at the age of seven, and FDA-approved medications failed to improve her condition. She suffered from multiple seizures per day, and doctors were considering brain surgery.

      “Nothing she tried worked,” the suit, filed in the Southern District of New York, states. But when she tried whole plant cannabis oil, she experienced “immediate relief from her seizures.” She uses a strain called “Haleigh’s Hope,” which comes in the form of liquid THC drops she takes twice a day.

      “I’d say it’s a lot better than brain surgery,” she said.

      Denver attorney Adam Foster represents cannabis businesses and said it’s unlikely the suit will be successful. “Whenever you sue the government, the deck is really stacked against you,” he said. But he also acknowledged the federal government will likely struggle to prove cannabis has no medical value.

      http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/marijuana-movement/12-year-old-girl-cause-cannabis-legalized-nationwide/

      https://me.me/i/this-man-holds-investments-in-the-privatized-prison-system-he-13761313

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        Yo.

        Yes, they will have trouble proving it, they will also have much more significant problems citing precedence with reasonable justification, considering…even in america, up to 1937, cannabis was considered to have medicinal value, by the medical community and institutions in america. Here's another clue, around the same time, calcium fluoride was replaced by sodium fluoride. Oh yeah, also I remember some sort of involvement in war then?

        But anyway, specifically:

        http://nypost.com/2013/09/11/feds-patented-medical-marijuana-even-when-they-were-fighting-it/

        https://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

        Of course, aside from the hundreds, thousands, perhaps even hundreds of millions of cases of studies and anecdotal evidencing, dating back to thousands of years before the US even existed.

        They got no argument. Look, weed doesn't automatically you shitty or not shitty, but if a fuckload of people tell you, "Dude, this shit is grea" and your governments try to disallow it or (more recently) exploit it (this is actually a tricky thing to explain). But it's not really that hard to figure out.

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          Fuck, my memory isn't as bad as I thought. Intuition ftw.

          "Fluoride was first added to toothpastes in the 1890s. Tanagra, containing calcium fluoride as the active ingredient, was sold by Karl F. Toellner Company, of Bremen, Germany, based upon the early work of chemist Albert Deninger.[36] An analogous invention by Roy Cross, of Kansas City, Missouri, was initially criticized by the American Dental Association (ADA) in 1937."

          That other Deninger guy is pretty clever too.

  • GOM GOM

    Earth Changes..it's the Axis

    Milankovitch cycles describe the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements on its climate over thousands of years.
    The term is named after Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković.

    In the 1920s, he theorized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit resulted in cyclical variation in the solar radiation reaching the Earth, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced climatic patterns on Earth.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

    ..(and why i can no longer stand in the sun)
    ••••••
    ••••••
    Something is wrong with the Sun; It's setting too far to the North

    Text, not radio

    http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/681-something-is-wrong-with-the-sun-it-s-setting-too-far-to-the-north

    Take a look..

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    I like this song so much.

    https://youtu.be/zI4C7hMrnqo?t=166

  • DUDe DUDe

    The History of the Malignant Tumor Otherwise Known as the US/Israeli “Special Relationship.”

    The US-Israel Special Relationship Timeline That AIPAC Doesn’t Want You To See

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/11/15/the-history-of-the-malignant-tumor-otherwise-known-as-the-usisraeli-special-relationship/

  • DUDe DUDe

    I'm biting my tongue..about that beast in office and where his head should be..better placed..
    —-

    Trump to allow imports of African elephant trophies

    The Trump administration is reversing an Obama administration ban on bringing to the United States the heads of elephants killed in two African countries.

    The Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) said it has determined the hunting African elephants in Zimbabwe and Zambia “will enhance the survival of the species in the wild,” which is the standard by which officials judge whether to allow imports of parts of the animals, known as trophies.

    “Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” an FWS spokesman said in a statement late Wednesday, after hunting group Safari Club International announced the policy.

    Animal rights groups slammed the Trump administration.

    “Let’s be clear: elephants are on the list of threatened species; the global community has rallied to stem the ivory trade; and now, the U.S. government is giving American trophy hunters the green light to kill them,” Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, wrote in a blog post. https://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne/2017/11/interior-department-allow-i

    http://thehill

  • DUDe DUDe

    Pianist Nobuyuki Tsujii bursts into tears when he plays at Carnegie Hall his own composition "Elegy for the Victims of the Tsunami of March 11, 2011 in Japan".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqoV4ZW7xTA

  • GOM GOM

    Asgardia, the world's first 'space nation', takes flight

    Nov 15, 2017 CNN

    The concept is essentially a virtual nation, but wants to file for UN recognition.
    In fall 2017, it launched a satellite containing citizens' data as a way of cementing a
    physical presence in space for the first time.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/style/article/asgardia-satellite-launch/index.html

  • GOM GOM

    Chemical Fallout from Hurricane Irma Could Be Worse than Harvey’s

    A National Guard evacuation boat was waiting because of what was expected at ArkemFor the next three days, Masters called a company hot line for information about the nine trailers containing volatile chemicals on Arkema’s property.

    By the time she returned home on Labor Day, the trailers had burned.

    analysis by the Center for Biological Diversity in Tucson, Arizona, showed that the Houston area’s hundreds of refineries and petrochemical operations released almost 1 million pounds of air pollutants in Harvey-related spills and flares, including benzene, sulfur dioxide, toluene, and xylene. The effects might not be known for months.

    https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2017/09/08/463739.htm

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Now this girl should be upset..she just lost a big buck job!

    Taco bell is looking for cashiers.. is what I hear.
    YouTube Fired district Ass attorney Jody Warner addresses Her Firing …
    Video for Attorney Jody Warner youtube▶ 2:41
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSGD6ZZViI

    But this lady..she knows exactly what turns her on…Money! Mo Money!

    I have never seen a more content sensual look on any woman's face in my life. I have been around allot of women. This one is "very happy" in this moment!

    The money grab! Steve Mnuchin's wife Louise Linton proudly holds onto sheets of bills featuring her husband's signature while wearing black leather gloves

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5086495/The-money-grab-Louise-Linton-holds-sheets-bills.html#ixzz4yZljowxa
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  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Am I allowed to clarify some of the potassium and cesium crap mentioned earlier?

    First, Isthmus is not sure radioactive potassium is non-damaging. I don't know, it's very hard to say. But it seems like radioactive cesium is very damaging (relatively).

    According to the MSDS on (non-radioactive) cesium, it is a hazard in multiple mays. HD also linked something about that, and he's not as stupid as some people would like to suggest.

    Now the interesting thing, the CDC's site, did not reference any studies or indicate ANY sort of damage associated with even radioactive cesium. Almost as if they're deliberately trying to avoid acknowledging it.

    So, sorry CS, I wasn't really trying to take shots at you (but you gave me some shit, incorrectly). My initial questions were related to calcium and calcium production interference, as well as stock (and you) saying k-39,k-40,k-41 is uniform, which, again, I'm not so sure of. It may be, it "is" depending on quantization relative to timescale.

    As Jebus said, it could harm, it probably wouldn't. I don't really know. It could be beneficial, I don't really know.

    Thing is, we get really terrible info from the CDC, FDA, etc, and even with k-40, studies seem to be very limited (relative to how common it is).

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Oh and then I figured I would mention something I remembered about pharma racketeering for possibly, quite dodgy "treatment". I did check some of that shit before, and they even use multiple conflating names so as to appear benevolent.

      I'm just trying to figure some shit out.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Billions paid out simplifies the need for understanding the true dangers of Nuclear Power discharges.

        RADIATION EXPOSURE COMPENSATION ACT
        https://www.justice.gov/civil/common/reca

        The public has been bent over long enough by these Nuclear carpet baggers..time to end it.

        Billions down the drain as new nuclear plants scrapped
        https://www.seattletimes.com/business/utility-votes-to-stop-building-billion-dollar-nuke-reactors/

        What we have now is a worldwide mess and it is still growing..it is all a scam.

        Liability for Nuclear Damage
        http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/liability-for-nuclear-damage.aspx

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          obewan, I pose a question as dark "vader" channeling some yoda with the nonchalance of skywalker. I credit Isthmus for this thought.

          Could it be possible that some of the potassium in many common modern sources of potassium, considering the inorganic fertilizers, nuclear GMO facilities, and other forms of engineering is not indicative of "background" radiation and that it may be mutagenic?

          I do not recall having seen this question before…

          How is k-40 produced?

          And no, I'm not saying cesium is comparable or better.

          • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

            Shhh. Don't tell anyone, I'm here to kidnap the inhumans. I'm kinda sinister like that. Jung. 46&2.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKLvYGqaC0

            It's for the children.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            No I am not thinking that potassium by itself in its natural state/form is a mutagenic. However change that form and natural state and anything can become mutagenic like Hippie has stated.

            The fertilizer problem was the polonium they found laced throughout and that came from the Nuclear processes like the strontium they found in the bones and children downwind.

            Millions have died and Code is thinking over a billion now just from this technology application across the globe in the past 70 years. There are periodic tables and links I can give you to take a peak at the problem.

            There is a journey here for your mind..follow the charts and the stability and decay rates of the newly created radioactive isotopes that were never here on this planet before. If ones immune system has never encountered something before it will not do a usual waltz..it will do a twist and then some rock and roll. Have fun!

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay#/media/File:Periodic_Table_Stability_%26_Radioactivity.png
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table
            http://periodictable.com/Elements/Radioactive/

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              This might help..Yummy!

              Polonium-2I0 and Lead-210
              in Food and Tobacco Products:
              A Review of Parameters and
              an Estimate of Potential
              Exposure and Dose
              http://fipr.state.fl.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/05-DFP-015Final.pdf

              • from 1983, funny, they knew that lichen bio magnified, but thought it was due to the "shape" of the lichen catching dust and because it was perennial.

                On the right path, but they didn't figure out it was the Chitin structure itself.

                ——————–
                248.3 pCi/kg; muscle from summer-killed caribou has contained 85.3 pCi (Holtzman, 1966a). These values illustrate a second point; human dietary content may be highly seasonal.; In this case, lichens, upon which Pb-210 and Po-210 are deposited as natural fallout, possess a roughened surface from which deposited particles are not readily removed by wind and rain, This feature, coupled with the fact that lichens are slow-growing peren- nials, permits these species to passively accumulate elevated concentra- tions of dust. Caribou and reindeer graze almost exclusively on lichens during the winter; summer pastures provide a mixed forage of annual grasses and sedges as well as lichen. Annual species are less effective accumulators than lichens.

              • Great link obewan!!!

                Just look at the foods that absorb these toxins and limet or completely eliminate them!!!!

                Don't let the dates on these reports fool ya…

                These studies were done shortly after open air bomb testing and today (after power plant releases and use of modern mined fertilizers) these numbers will be WAY higher than when many of these results were published…

                A GREAT primmer on what to eat and what to run like hell from!!!!!

                I give this one 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

                Great post and link obewan!!!!

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Farth-more to the point-

            can k40 be separated from potassium?

            It is a preety simple search.

            First hit- https://www.cpp.edu/~pbsiegel/bio431/texnotes/exp408.pdf

            As a mentor once said to me in a moment of frustration, "we are not creating anything here, we are simply taking apart what already exists. Some things are easier than others."

            • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

              What you say makes me think of an alternative.

              Should k-40 be seperated?

              The avverage is 39 and 41 is still 40, and it's not radioactive…hmmm/

              • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                Sorry that was some of the worst shit I've ever typed.

                • I liked it farthe…

                  What's the margin of error? There is always one in every test…

                  Truth? Natural k-40 is a part (AND ONLY a part) of NATURAL potassium…

                  It is a required part of potassium and provides many health benefits if not altered by man… There is NO, let me repeat that fact, NO k-40 found alone in nature, it is a component of potassium. If you see k-40 alone in nature it's a man made bandit disguised as a schoolchild.

                  k40 NEVER exists in nature alone and k40 is a perfect scapegoat for some other man made poison on a report.

                  Only problem is most educated people know if k40 is found alone, it's a sinister cover up for a accidental/intentional release of man made pollution…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      the chemical toxicity of cesium, as judged by the quantity required to kill, is not high at all. Thus, trying to ascribe the danger of cesium fallout onto the chemical toxicity is misleading disinfo. Whats the point in doing it?

      There really arent any studies on radioactive isotope danger. Yes, they did a few dog studies, injected some people without consent etc, but basically the entire dose science is speculation. They should admit that. The ECRR group took considerable evidence from Chernobyl and found that fallout is hundreds of times worse than stated by the speculation of the entrenched dose model.

      That boggles the mind. No other science could get away with an error that large. But it doesnt pertain to all radiation sources. Background radiation is not ALSO 500 times worse than assumed. This throws the intuitive grasp of ionizing radiation danger right out the window. People just cant accept it…so they grasp at a few straws, like hidden extra radiation, or the chemical toxicity of cesium. At the same time they miss the pertinent bits, like the metabolic damage. In the case of Farth and Hippie, they continually chide, deride, ridicule etc, even though they dont know anything about it. Why do they do that? They werent the only ones. Exposing the fault of dose coefficients should be a good thing, dont you think?

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        "Exposing the fault of dose coefficients should be a good thing, dont you think?"

        YES

        Their concern goes no farther than their holy grail, 'no immediate harm'.

        Hilarious that 'climate changers' could cozy up to that.

        • I am neither a climate changer (total bullshit) nor am I a guy that will tell you table salt is in any way like cesium…

          That's a parley for the true trolls that bring up BS in a discussion that is about man made pollution substances versus naturally occurring substances…

          Lead? Naturally occurring lead? Talk about that one in a discussion about man made pollution? Man made lead in the air for you to breathe and eat and make you retarded and your children retarded and their children even more retarded?

          Explains allot doesn't it?

          https://youtu.be/sHQ_aTjXObs

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Explain this, you said it.

            So yes cesium does decay into a component of calcium in the animal body.

            I call that a yes! Cesium does decay into calcium…."

            Ride that Unicorn.
            Have a nice day. 🙂

            • "Explain this, you said it."

              "So yes cesium does decay into a component of calcium in the animal body"

              "I call that a yes! Cesium does decay into calcium…."

              And you say?

              Ride that Unicorn.
              Have a nice day.

              But you are the unicorn (fake horse) son…

              If you don't already know that potassium plays a major role in bone growth and calcium formation in animals that wean at a VERY early age and NEVER drink milk again in their lives but develop huge bones rich in that mineral, it's time to go back to the drawing board of real education…

              Ever looked at a horse? 1000+ pounds with Very dense and pliable bones (loaded with calcium)? And a good thoroughbred can run at speeds of more than 35 MPH? And live for more than 40 years eating (unpolluted) grass and dirt everyday?

              And there is NO real calcium in that grass or the dirt they pickup from pulling the roots of grass outta the ground…

              AND ya even have to grind the teeth down when they get older from eating dirt and calcium production.

              Long in the tooth beats long in crap every time…

              Recon why that's absolute proven truth for millennia…

              Wowsers son…

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        I have to point out a few things.

        It may be a minor to mention, but it links more pharma, nuke and racketeering shit.

        "Although the element is only mildly toxic, the metal's tendency to react violently when in contact with water means that Caesium is considered a hazardous material, and the radioisotopes present a significant health and ecological hazard in the environment."

        Here is something on the cesium chloride you mentioned when you referred to non-toxicity, note, cesium chloride:

        "Cesium chloride, the non-radioactive salt, is promoted as an alternative treatment, also known as “high pH therapy,” for cancer. This is based on the findings that cancer cells have an affinity for cesium ions (1).

        Reported adverse effects of cesium chloride intake include syncope, hypokalemia, diarrhea, and ventricular tachycardia with prolonged QT interval (3) (4). No randomized clinical trials have been conducted using oral cesium chloride as a cancer treatment."

        https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/cesium-chloride

        Okay so anyway, CS, most of us posters (it seems like it, anyway) here have seen and kinda do get that you're saying the radioactivity of cesium-137 (in particular) isn't comparable to potassium-40. We're not arguing that.

        But if cesium is toxic (and it is), and cesium interferes (and it does) with potassium uptake, which it does…just makes the case against cs134/137 better.

        Maybe I'm trying to point out as many…

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          argumentative little cuss, eh? I say that because based on your level of intelligence, you know better, you know yer spoutin' shit, as they say.

          Cesium forms salts with chloride. Regardless of whether its the radioactive or stable isotope, you dont find it isolated or 'pure'. Table salt as you know, is sodium chloride. The sodium is just as pyrophoric and reactive, more or less, as the cesium. But you dont worry about that explosive quality for either cesium or sodium because its already reacted with chloride or some other element. Thus your first consideration about violent reaction is not relevant, any more than it is for the sodium in salt.

          Your next quotes (get those from buddy HD?) dont apply to a chemical toxicity regarding C-137 because of the quantities involved. I just got done going through this.

          one gram of cesium 137 contains 3.21 tera becquerels = 3,210,000,000,000 bq

          a do not exceed dose (already toxic) is 25,000 bq. A quickly mortal dose is 10,000,000,000 bq.

          So thats 0.003 grams = deadly dose
          and 0.0000000078 grams = industry limit, you would never get this much unless you were at an exclusion zone of an accident.

          The toxic symptoms you are quoting are for doses 100 million times greater. Table salt can also cause symptoms, water causes symptoms. Of course you want to be careful because this is the electrolyte balance one is playing with. Thats true for salt, potassium chloride and probably others too.

          Thus your second…

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            thus your second argument takes its place along with your first as being irrelevant and actually disinfo. Somebody like Jay Cullen would smile at your ridiculous concern over the chemical toxicity of 100 millionths of a gram of cesium, and dismiss your radiological concerns along with it.

            I cant answer your question about neutron capture for potassium, I know the two 'doctors' wanted to make an argumentative point about it. Paveway could probably tell you but he had enough of ENEnews. Cesium and Potassium will respond to neutron capture differently, but the question is…where is this neutron bombardment you are wondering about coming from?

            • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

              " Somebody like Jay Cullen would smile at your ridiculous concern over the chemical toxicity of 100 millionths of a gram of cesium, and dismiss your radiological concerns along with it. "

              And I would probably tell him to fuck off. Or maybe, it kinda depends, I may do worse.

              So non-radioactive cesium implicated with interfering with potassium uptake, associated with irregular heartbeats and such. But then, if it's also radioactive, it's like…a multiplier?

            • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

              I'm really interested in the 134 and 135 though, especially 135.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Farth…still pedaling? You REALLY dont want 0.00000001 grams of radioactive cesium in your body, but if you continue to suggest that that amount of stable cesium is going to do anything, your cranial bean works is in malfunction

              • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                Nope, for that I would have to start pedaling. And I wasn't suggesting 0.00000001 grams of non radioactive cesium is comparable to radioactive cesium. I don't know where you got that. But I do think the cesium itself may contribute to damage in its own very small, special way.

                The non-radioactive cesium isn't REALLY the point or the posts, if you haven't figured it out. It might just be that my main concern when replying was shit like the CDC, EPA, FDA.

          • "Your next quotes (get those from buddy HD?) dont apply to a chemical toxicity regarding C-137 because of the quantities involved"

            Ok total spastics like code shutdown (the name says it all) what are the actual origins of the material(s) (let me repeat that simple fact for the learning disabled) WHERE DID THESE MATERIALS ORIGINATE? THE ACTUAL ORIGINS OF THE MATERIAL!!!!!

            Was it in a reactor or under a natural pigs foot after a big dump…

            Makes all the difference…

            All the rest is the respite of fools.

            • AirSepTech AirSepTech

              "natural potassium"
              "cesium, a mined metallic poison"
              "both are radioactive"

              What fool said that?

              A: The Unicorn Jocky

              Only one isotope, 133Cs, is stable.
              Only 133Cs can be 'technically' 'mined'.
              Less maybe you know some reactor 'miners'.
              Which possibly you do, you gots the power of the Unicorn.
              Ride it for all its worth.

              • You are a fool son…

                …how surprising.

                Allow me to school you on natural stuff versus man made stuff…

                …Not that you will listen anyway but it sure does show that ignorance huh…

                Grammar school stuff (should watch, you'll actually get something out of it)…

                Man made vs. Natural:
                https://youtu.be/G6dxBta7GTI

                • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                  I suggest everyone have a look at HD's video above

                  You 'will' learn something,,,0 doubt.

                  It won't be anything about 'Elements' or 'Nuclear'

                  It 'is' about 'natural or manmade'

                  Grass or a lawnmower.
                  Beach sand or Trump Tower.
                  A tree or a table.

                  I rarely look at his junk, I'm glad I did today.

                  It is not so hard to see why he is such a dipshit.

                  😆

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                HD attacks with balderdash every time I point out failings of Woods Hole, the ICRP model etc. He appears to be an infiltrator based on a theme that anti nukers are aging hippie fools who listen to a lot of rock

                He once chided stock about random variable proofs. Only someone like socref would know enough to hit stock who has some education in statistics with that

                • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                  I particularly enjoy the doofs inability to make any sense from his own babble.
                  Hoof 'n Mouth has a keen ring in follow up blabber

                  So yes, he is a plant, or a born loser, or both.

                • "HD attacks with balderdash every time I point out failings"

                  You are so full of shit it's pathetic codeshutdown…

                  So eat ya some man made poisons and then try to compare them to natural nutrients…

                  Wow… Poisoned and then sick from pollution comes to mind right away…

                  Lets debate .0000000001 of shit eaten to .0000000001 of a real true natural mineral nutrients eaten.

                  Surely you folks aren't so poisoned with it (disinformation) you can't figure that math out.

                  What (the fuck) is the matter? Misinformation followed by complete disinformation?

                  How unusual huh…

                  You don't have to know the truth for it to be the truth…

                  The truth doesn't care one way or the other…

                  …silly ain't it.

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        Now look at what they're saying cesium does, not even just cesium, but cesium chloride.

        "Cesium chloride is promoted as an alternative cure for cancer treatment. Supporters claim that cesium neutralizes the toxic material produced by tumor cells and prevents them from dividing. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims. Cesium taken orally is known to cause diarrhea, nausea, loss of potassium, and irregular heartbeat."

        I dunno about you, but that sounds bad. And that's non radioactive cesium…chloride.

        So I'm really interested in cs-134and cs-135 cs-146 now. We kinda know a little about cs-137, I mean it's probably mentioned the most.

        Now an interesting thing is.

        "The combined yield of 133Cs and 134Cs is given as 6.7896%. The proportion between the two will change with continued neutron irradiation. 134Cs also captures neutrons with a cross section of 140 barns, becoming long-lived radioactive 135Cs."

        I dunno, but does something similar happen with potassium? Does that maen…potassium..not…uni..what?

        • razzz razzz

          They don't talk about the other 200 notable manmade radioelements not found in nature but this is part of the basics.

          'Do transuranic elements such as plutonium ever occur naturally?'

          "…Plutonium does occur naturally, but at very low concentrations. Indeed, it is all but unobservable, except by very sensitive modern analytical techniques. The reason that plutonium (and other transuranic elements) are so rare in nature is that being radioactive, they decay with a characteristic half-life.
          All of the heavy elements making up the Earth were formed in nuclear reactions during supernova explosions, occurring millions or even billions of years before the Earth formed. Any element formed at that time with a half-life much less than the Earth's age–or 4.5 billion year–has nearly all decayed into lighter elements by now.
          In addition to the few atoms of plutonium that may have survived since the Earth's formation, a very small, steady inventory of such unstable elements is also maintained in the environment by naturally occurring nuclear reactions (for example, those involving cosmic rays). Even so, the levels are very small"
          https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-transuranic-elements-s/

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            No they do not, since they have absolutely no clue what harm they do to biological life.

            The money is great at the craps table when you always use fixed dice.

            • They know without doubt, they just suppress the real evidence through misinformation (k40 crap) and tell us it's all just fine while they continue to poison the world…

              Let's spend time studying potassium (k40 A COMPLETE DISTRACTION) and C02 (ANOTHER COMPLETE LIE) while they make big money and kill and/or mess up everything and every project they are assigned…

              When will it be enough? When will this trend change?

              As soon as real folks say no more!!!! Can't do that studying sports… Gotta use that brain to study something that actually counts…

              Wowsers…

          • razzz razzz

            If you didn't know the basics, er…essentials, you would think these articles were meant to confuse you. When they say cesium they mean all cesium elements, stable and radioactive, versus specifying.

            Notice as an example, they don't say C-137 does not occur naturally and is totally manmade (Earth is older than the total decay life of C-137, if there was any in the beginning it decayed away already) but mentions: 'present in the biosphere in small amounts as a result of radiation leaks' (maybe they are trying to confuse you without saying {manmade, anthropogenic, technogenic, synthetic, artificial, transuranic}. Then they try to tell you there are allowable limits for C-134 and C137 in their world. Unfortunately we live in their world.

            'Caesium: the essentials'

            "…Caesium (cesium in USA) has no biological role. However it is capable of replacing potassium in the body to some extent because of its chemical similarity. Ingestion of any caesium compounds is therefore to be avoided. Because of this similarity, the isotopes 134Cs and 137Cs (present in the biosphere in small amounts as a result of radiation leaks) are very toxic. Rats fed caesium in place of potassium in their diet die.

            Caesium (cesium in USA) is not a common element…"
            https://www.webelements.com/caesium/

            With that, potassium-40 has two decay products, one being (beneficial) stable calcium-40. The other Argon-40 stable.

          • "Plutonium does occur naturally" Pure BS!!!

            That's like saying heroine is a naturally occurring substance because the original ingredients are natural. That is a lie and wherever you got that statement from should tell you to NEVER even bother reading from that source again.

            Plutonium is man made through many incentive processes that produces wastes that are deadly and can be used for nothing productive.

            Just ask a hanford worker about that simple fact.

            Plutonium is natural in any form? Pure unadulterated hogwash!!!!

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              It does, HD. Just usually in minute quantities. More in other naturally occurring ores. This has been discussed here before. Finding it is extremely rare.

              Used to think that was BS and it was all man-made. But it's not. Someone else pointed that out here.

              Decay product in the uranium ore cycle. Found for example in Pitchblende ore. Pu 239, Pu 238, and Pu 244 were found in samples analyzed globally. Pu 239 (only) was found in samples in the U.S.

              Can we please try and keep it factual?

              Plutonium is extremely toxic, no argument there.

              https://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/910344

              https://escholarship.org/content/qt9rp125zz/qt9rp125zz.pdf

              The decay chain is shown on the second page of text in the second document.

              • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                HD is like a seriously scratched vinyl record, you know, skip>>>vrrrrrr…skip>>>vrrrrr…skip

                Sometimes you can press down, and get it to play

                Sometimes not.

              • "This has been discussed (natural plutonium) here before. Finding it is extremely rare."

                Why do you think that is?

                It's rare because it's double talk BS.

                Someone decided that the known fact that plutonium is a man made poison (these people were probably involved fictionally or financially). So these fools said that plutonium occurs naturally on planet earth?

                Really? A totally proven lie?

                It may naturally exist somewhere in the universe (planet zulu?) but it ain't here on planet earth naturally and if it did exist somewhere in the universe, how would you be able to know or prove that silly statement.

                ALL plutonium on planet earth is the result of man and the direct refining of metals mined.

                By that standard heroine is natural.

                Don't get sucked into BS..

                Is it natural or is it man made pollution?

                Plutonium is a man made pollution and bomb making material and that's all (and that's a proven fact) all else is double talk and/or a fools (waste of time) folly…

                There's ya some simple, uncomplicated, proven truth…

                ALL plutonium that is here is in fact man made at the cost of countless lives, both animal and plant…

                Poison? Man made materials? THE most poisioness substance on earth? Pluto?

                How did the so called scientists name this substance that they had created?

                Pluto:

                The ancient god of instant death???

                Nope…

                https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/gods/pluto/

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                The decay chain leading to Pu 239 is bogus too?

            • razzz razzz

              There is a real thing call spontaneous fission that creates Pu and the famous ancient self starting reactor, I think, in Africa with a rich uranium deposit that was seasonally spring fed that supply the moderating water needed to slow neutrons down for capture, that fissioned all by itself creating Pu products as a result.

              But, as pointed out already, the amount of Pu on planet Earth before man arrived was miniscule. Now manmade plutonium is measured in hundred if not thousands of pounds.

              • sheesh razzz, just Fuku released over 3000 pounds of Pu

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  stock…sounds like an awfully lot of plutonium…I would double check those calculations

                  • PU is lead code…

                    Try to keep up…

                    Here try this one…

                    ….maybe it will help, if you actually watch the thing.

                    https://youtu.be/GUizvEjR-0U?t=3s

                  • roughly 3% to 6%

                    The uranium in air over the entire Pacific went up by a factor of 2600% compared to background. Background is small, but when you consider the whole Pacific air column it adds up to a lot. 195 tons if you think it is uniformly distributed over 8 miles high. And this neglects the stuff that already "fell out".

                    If you think a 2 mile column is more realistic then it is closer to 50 tons, or 100,000 lbs.

                    times 3% is 3000 lbs of Plutonium gifted to the world.

                    Much of my links to government sources have been broken, but fortunately I printed all the information and scanned it which you can still download.

                    http://www.nukepro.net/p/uranium-aerosolized-into-atmosphere.html

                    • razzz razzz

                      Do the government figures that you are using use only the weight of the fuel involved?

                      The simplyinfo site has Unit 3's core load at 94 tons of uranium fuel, Pu is not listed.

                      The MOX portion of the Unit 3 core load was 32 MOX assemblies plus 516 LEU.

                      Far as I read, there was no other MOX fuel rods onsite. Any MOX fuel onsite was inside Unit 3's reactor at the time.

                      [My mistake was typing pounds instead of tons]

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      I read that reactor 4 was being modified to MOX, may have had some MOX assemblies. 202 unspent assemblies in the fuel pool.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    Yes, Jebus, we all had to begin in our learning somewhere. And hopefully we can and will continue.

                • razzz razzz

                  Sometimes I get sloppy and lazy when chasing information to link to. But for Pu, the common accepted number is that uranium rod spent fuel contains 1% Pu. A working reactor maybe a pinch more because Pu(s) are being created and burned (undergoing fission) at the same time. MOX contains up to 7% Pu to begin with.

                  So, some one can figure out what the weight of all the spent fuel in the world is then multiply it by 1% for a rough estimate of that manmade Pu. Then there is weapons Pu in place, breeding reactors to supply the war and nuke industries, MOX (actually from reprocessing) and Pu already in the environment from bomb testing.

                  If it equates to tons or thousands of tons, so be it. Still not a good thing.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Yeah, I never said it was common. Could give HD my full resume but he'd never be convinced. Because he's smarter than all the scientists who have studied the issue of natural Plutonium.

            Just not enough for him to have me say I didn't want to acknowledge that, either.

            Because, shucks, no matter what I do or say, I'm (waaaaaaah!) just not good enough to say or do anything credible.

            Wowsers!

            I think he may be one of the Oak Ridge Boys in disguise again. Or they perfected their algorithm so their bot program is a bit less abrasive than Socref.

            "I'm a worthy human being. Darn you, Mom!"

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcdIQRCoc10

            Stuart Smalley is my HERO! If it weren't for Stuart, I'd still be hiding under a rock and eating worms.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Am not a scientist Ph.D. per se, but some of that rubbed off on me. There is more than one way to be an intelligent person. One of them entails being TEACHABLE and being able to absorb and process facts when they are presented to you. It also entails healthy discernment.

              It's also not a bad idea to be able to admit when you are wrong.

              I was wrong about there being a small amount of naturally occurring Plutonium found in ore samples. Even after working in a Geology/Seismology Lab. My brain just didn't want to go there (read cognitive dissonance).

              Someone here in possession of facts pointed out to me (several of us) it does in fact exist – and it's not all there due to atmospheric deposition.

              HD, it might behoove you to admit you don't know everything, once in awhile. Humility can be becoming. It would certainly keep you from bickering with us all the time.

      • Now come on code you jump into a conversation about stable cesium 133 with a claim about salt and use a compound (cesium choride) as you evidence?

        I like jousting but that's just ridiculous misinformation (using some compound to prove a point that was not even relative to the subject we were discussing).

        And it's always followed by a accusation that is, in reality, exactly what you were doing when you posted misinformation in a insulting way.

        So if I see a outright falsehood and call bullshit on it, it may insult but it is not disinformation followed by hollow insults and accusations.

        Bottom line is this, a person that want's to cause a argument usually does but rarely uses fact to do it…

        ..and I enjoy the fight if it produces something real at the end of the joust.

        That being said…

        Is it a troll? Yepper, is it a shill? Maybe… And they (these constant accusers) always yell troll or shill etc…

        When by definition it's the accuser yelling troll or shill that is the real one doing the trolling or shilling…

        If you think you spotted a troll while in reality it's really you doing the trolling you should watch this one for sure…

        https://youtu.be/-hYDmRq_PHY

        How about them apples…

        https://youtu.be/j6mreZ98_Ug

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          HD, I cant quite follow your blabbering. Are you saying 0.000000001 grams of stable cesium is toxic? Do you consider sodium a dangerous toxic chemical? Potassium?

          Caesium metal is highly reactive and very pyrophoric. It ignites spontaneously in air, and reacts explosively with water even at low temperatures. Because of this high reactivity, caesium metal is classified as a hazardous material. It is stored and shipped in dry, saturated hydrocarbons such as mineral oil. It can be handled only under inert gas, such as argon.

          Sodium forms flammable hydrogen and caustic sodium hydroxide on contact with water; ingestion and contact with moisture on skin, eyes or mucous membranes can cause severe burns. Sodium spontaneously explodes in the presence of an oxidizer such as water

          Potassium metal reacts violently with water producing potassium hydroxide and hydrogen gas.

          This reaction is exothermic and releases enough heat to ignite the resulting hydrogen in the presence of oxygen, possibly explosively splashing onlookers with potassium hydroxide, which is a strong alkali that destroys living tissue and causes skin burns. Finely grated potassium ignites in air at room temperature.
          Because of the highly reactive nature of potassium metal, it must be handled with great care, with full skin and eye protection and preferably an explosion-resistant barrier between the user and the metal.

        • razzz razzz

          Cesium, any cesium, since it is not beneficial, at first would be considered a heavy metal in a body. Small amounts a nuisance, large amounts would become toxic heavy metal poisoning. Radiocesium(s) a distinct danger.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            razzz…I believe the argument around cesium chemical toxicity is that more than one person wants to pin nuclear fallout Cs-137 toxicity on its chemical toxicity. This is an easily debunked theory and reduces general credibility.

            Do you know that people are taking gram quantities of cesium as a cancer treatment? Meanwhile a totally deadly dose of Cs137 is 0.003 grams. Thus the toxicity from fallout cesium is not due to its chemical toxicity.

            When you say cesium is a heavy metal toxin, people will think of lead or perhaps aluminum. But this is not correct. Cesium is used as a neuroprotection therapy for radiological poisoning and cancer. Calcium is a metal

            Its interesting how much work one has to do to counter the constant barrage of disinfo and arguments I get. Do other posters get this constant stream of balderdash following their posts?

          • Yep it's all heavy metals and PU is lead and Cs is worse for the chemical problems than the radioactivity.

            The radioactive properties are simply what we use to find them…

            Radioactive?

            ..nothing to do with actual elemental toxicity huh.

            Cheeseburger?

            https://youtu.be/Y1tFx5xKrSI

  • razzz razzz

    Euroland productivity is all going towards EU government debt. When banking breaks down it usually happens quickly and overnight to catch everyone off guard.

    'EU Preparing for the Banking Crisis'

    "…The current EU plan envisages blocking account disbursements for five working days and with the authority to extend any suspension to up to 20 days.

    I recommend that you have 30 days worth of cash on hand. What the authorities do not understand is that if they freeze one bank, a run will unfold on all banks. The public will not believe whatever the government says. Therefore, banks that are not in crisis can be pushed into a crisis by a contagion. That is simply how it all unfolded in 1931-1933. The only way to stop a contagion will be a bank holiday and you have to close them all."
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/banking-crisis/eu-preparing-for-the-banking-crisis/

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Holy shit, I just realized, society appeals for a correction of a state of mind, particularly "government" enforced . They say "it's just a stae of mind", etc. when you're hurt, depressed, abused, citing their "authority".

    But, that's bullshit, fuckoff, that's how they try to deflect, defer, it's a matter abd a state of heart. I'm not even posing that as a question.

    You'll never get it.

  • This feels like a strange time to fly into the middle of the Pacific and "do business".

    "Q" is an interesting phenomenon. An entity that is trying to gently peel back the curtain and display the wizards pulling the handles. For most people, the truth is too much to bear, so far away from their existing world view, from their comfort zone. Think of all the people insisting on living in their "safe spaces".

    http://www.nukepro.net/2017/11/q-presents-large-spreadsheet-of-q-on.html

    Think of Sweden, migrant rape capital of the world, stating that "Sweden should be a safe space for everyone", and then removing crosses from Christian churches so as not to offend the Muslims that have been foisted upon their country.

    Think how far off that reality is, from the genuine machinations of the puppet masters.

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Hehe.

  • razzz razzz

    Ever heard the expression, "It's time to feed my worm"? Probably not, still a common saying in England at mealtime. Also, worms were sold as a weight reduction aid back in the black and white advertising days.

    'North Korean Defector had 10-Inch Parasite in His Stomach, Unlike Anything Surgeon Had Seen Before'

    "…Among the parasites was a species of roundworm that can be contracted by eating vegetables fertilized with human faeces or, more generally, in areas with poor sanitation. The longest parasite found in the North Korean soldiers' stomach measured 27 centimetres (10 inches), local media reported. Experts say that many North Koreans could be infected with the same kind of parasites…"
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korean-defector-had-10-113556241.html

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Someone is digging quite the hole to drain the swamp.

    1500 sealed indictments in DC Courts since October?

    Comments are funny as usual.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-16/secret-witness-uranium-one-probe-former-rosatom-lobbyist

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Random as fuck adversarialism(that is now a word).

    Toxocara

    *Approximately, 13.9 percent of the U.S. population has antibodies against this parasitic infection. Sadly, the rest of us are at risk for for acquiring it through roundworms often found in the intestines of dogs and cats.*

    Also mentions a few other things. But as usual, being random as fuck, my first thought was, hey, let's consider vaccination rates.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parasites-causing-infections-in-the-us-cdc-says/

    CS could maybe tell you about candida, I could tell you about SC(go figure), TB, and stuff.

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Here's one for you stock, could you tell me if there are some similiraties or factors shared between bone, collagen, chitosan, chitin?

    • dont know off top of head, good thinking path though. Maybe sharks live forever because they have cartilage and not bone?

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        We is flexible.

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        Basically, it was an incredibly vague suggestion. And this is

        But there's like (just like a few of the factors), tonsil fuckups, thyroid fuckup, lung fuckup, heart fuckup, kidney fuckup, liver fuckup, bone fuckup, etc.

        In the case of cesium, for instance, it's spread through most soft tissues, but most soft tissues are responsible for collagen production (and that's a lot of shit).

        So let's start, in no particular order.

        Is bone marrow a soft tissue? Is bone marrow often related to leukemia? Is cesium used in chemo?

  • razzz razzz

    That's why politicians are lifers, being sued while in office is extremely difficult and getting your records sealed is relatively easy. Easier if you are groomed to be part of the elite.

    'The Strange and Possibly Sordid Story of Mitch McConnell's Military Service'

    "…I don't know if Judd is running but McConnell is going to have a hard time. His court martial for sodomy in 67 will be huge…"
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/02/24/1189537/-The-Strange-and-Possibly-Sordid-Story-of-Mitch-McConnell-s-Military-Service

  • For those tracking such "clues". We are past the Murres and Whales, what is next?

    Peak Life

    Your inquiry to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta has made its way here to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) Press Office in Hyattsville, Maryland.

    NCHS is a statistical arm of the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) has not yet published 2016 life expectancy data. It is expected to be released next month within the 2016 death report. You can watch for a date for its release in two places:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/calendar/2017_schedule.htm
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/upcoming.htm

    Regards,

    Corey
    Corey Slavitt
    Public Affairs Specialist
    National Center for Health Statistics

    For further information, please contact the NCHS Press Office at 301-458-4800 or by email at paoquery@cdc.gov.

  • DUDe DUDe

    How is what Trump is doing an improvement of the EPA ? He is the m'fucking tool to switch from "hidden" corruption to open corruption..

    Industrial Strength: How the U.S. Government Hid Fracking's Risks to Drinking Water

    A pivotal EPA study provided the rationale for exemptions that helped unleash the fracking boom. The science was suppressed to protect industry interests.
    For Latkanich and all those who believe their water has been tainted by fracking, there are few remedies. Congress took away the most powerful one in 2005, prohibiting the Environmental Protection Agency from safeguarding drinking water that might be harmed by fracking and even denying the regulator the authority to find out what chemicals companies use. That provision of the Energy Policy Act was justified by an EPA study about fracking into coalbed methane reservoirs, completed under the George W. Bush administration, that concluded that fracking posed no risk to drinking water.

    Concerns about the study emerged from the outset, including a 2004 whistleblower complaint that called it "scientifically unsound." Now, InsideClimate News has learned that the scientists who wrote the report disagreed with the conclusion imposed by the Bush EPA, saying there was not enough evidence to support it. The authors, who worked for a government contractor, went so far as to have their company's name and their own removed from the final document."

    https://insideclimatenews

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      DuDe, "…prohibiting the Environmental Protection Agency from safeguarding drinking water that might be harmed by fracking and even denying the regulator the authority to find out what chemicals companies use. "
      That's what President Cheney was working on all those years he spent in the basement of the White House… When he wasn't working with Shinzo Abe, moxing around in a different basement, under unit 3.
      Long range planner. DAPL one of the results. The results from unit 3 are in all of us.

      • DUDe DUDe

        Hi DK , i'm not well versed in detail of every episode of whats playing..but i do know its indeed a long range plan..that started speeding up becoming clearly visible significantly with bush junior..and i really think Trump is here to "seal" it..the final chapter of installing irreversible tyranny..and the accompanying culling..biological warfare on everyone on one hand , on the other the "militarised fist of the law"

        • DUDe DUDe

          I think before bush junior..they payed more attention keeping the mass asleep while fabricating their deadly global shenanigans..
          The less they care if we know or not..the safer they feel we can't do anything about it anymore..looking at trump..well.. 🙁

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          "i'm not well versed in detail of every episode of whats playing.."
          Yep, DuDe, that's the way they planned it. I wasn't aware at the time either, learned it all later here at enenews, following links.
          I didn't even have internet access until 2012. I already had the start of RAIDS and had the taste of metal in my mouth for almost a year. I knew from previous experience with mercury poisoning that heavy metals were involved. I had no idea it was radioactivity. When I got internet I went looking 4 for the cause. I found it pretty quick here at enenews.
          Don't know if you've seen previous posts on how I got dosed. Here in Southern California fire country I spend my winters burning brush in the rain. So the bare bones of it is, I spent over 200 hours the spring of 2011, boiling water and breathing the fumes while running, throwing arm loads of wet brush on a tall pile of hot coals.
          My wife helped for a while but she bailed because she said the rain was burning her skin. Not noticing minor pain while I'm working is standard for me so I kept on.
          DISCLAIMER: Recounting these details is not about poor me it's about keeping the truth right out there in front of the bright lights so that the lie that nobody died in the US or anywhere from Fukushima is flat-out not true. The dying ain't done yet, I think it's just getting started. That Peak Stupid thing, you know?

          • DUDe DUDe

            "Recounting these details is not about poor me it's about keeping the truth right out there in front of the bright lights so that the lie that nobody died in the US or anywhere from Fukushima is flat-out not true."

            Perfectly understood DK..

            "The dying ain't done yet, I think it's just getting started. That Peak Stupid thing, you know?"

            Yeah , that thing that , under control of the zionist politicians/bankers/MIC/media , wont stop climbing untill shortly before final manmade global sterilization is done and over with..

    • razzz razzz

      Just noting what Trump said he wanted to accomplish when slashing the Federal Register (some necessary bureaucratic rules and regulations and guidelines). States are still free to regulate within their borders, er, ok…most of the time.

      'Overnight Regulation: Trump aims to cut regs by 75 percent | Issues federal hiring freeze'

      "…In October, Trump said he planned to cut "70 to 80 percent of the regulations."

      Trump on Monday said regulations are "out of control."

      At the time Trump was sworn in on Friday, the Federal Register contained 89,535 regulations published since 1994, many of which Republicans say are outdated and duplicative.

      Critics say regulations have been piling up since the government's rulebook was first launched in 1935.

      But regulatory advocates are warning of "disastrous consequences" if Trump cuts so many rules.

      "There is no way for President Donald Trump to slash regulations by 75 percent without cutting into bedrock public protections that hold Wall Street accountable, keep our water and children safe from lead poisoning, and contain food contamination outbreaks," said Amit Narang, regulatory policy advocate at the left-leaning Public Citizen.

      Doing so would "permit corporations to rip off consumers, poison our environment, [and] cheat and mistreat workers," he added…"
      http://thehill.com/regulation/overnights/315736-overnight-regulation

  • Jebus Jebus

    Response Send(…—… …—… …—… …—… …—…)

    Scientists Have Sent Messages to Advanced Alien Civilizations — And Are Hoping for a Reply in 25 Years

    http://www.newsweek.com/advanced-alien-civilization-send-messages-meti-713186

    Response Request(Save Our Sushi Save Our Sushi Save Our Sushi Save Our Sushi)

  • Jebus Jebus

    Response Send(Hurry No Sushi Hurry No Sushi Hurry No Sushi Hurry No Sushi)…

    Trump to tap nuclear industry lobbyist for U.S. Energy Dept job

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Donald Trump plans to nominate Melissa Burnison, a nuclear energy industry lobbyist, to serve as assistant secretary in charge of congressional and intergovernmental affairs at the U.S. Energy Department, the White House said on Wednesday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nuclearpower/trump-to-tap-nuclear-industry-lobbyist-for-u-s-energy-dept-job-idUSKBN1DF38T

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I wouldn't be too confident that an alien species would be interested in a species with such a limited mentality as to kill each other for various sultry reasons.. including supposedly pious ones, like supposedly defending God.
    Why would an advanced species respond ..for the hell of it?

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "NYPD Deploys Commando Equipped Police at Indoor and Outdoor Venues "
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48223.htm

    • DUDe DUDe

      Well..everything develops neatly as predicted by the "fearmongerers and bleeding heart threehuggers" but..how will the stockmarket responds /sarc ?

      "'The new unit would be equipped with heavy protective gear and machine guns and receive advanced training in counterterrorism tactics and “advanced disorder control,” he said.'"

      Yes , in Israel..just pay your taxes to the zionist , Goyim..

      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goyim

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Hey, dying isn't so bad, I mean, what's a bit of fainting, some numbness in your hands, face, the weird feelings in the legs and shit like that. No immediate concern.

  • DUDe DUDe

    Trump Swaps Steak For Shark Fin Soup In Vietnam, Despite Dish's Controversy

    "On a recent visit to Vietnam, Donald Trump sunk his big white teeth into an unfortunate victim. He was eating shark fin soup – an Asian delicacy responsible for the huge decline in sharks around the world, which is wreaking havoc on the delicate balance of our oceans.

    Shark fin soup is eaten mainly in Asia as a lavish status symbol. While the dish might have some cultural significance, its environmental effects cannot be ignored – it’s thought that over 70 million sharks are killed each year just for their fins.

    While many might prefer our seas to be shark-free, lots of sharks make for a healthy ocean, as they control the abundance of species further down the food chain. And if you think they’re scary, man-eating monsters, remember – you’re more likely to be killed by champagne corks, vending machines, a hot dog, and cows."

    And Trump..(added by me)

    http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/trump-swaps-steak-for-shark-fin-soup-in-vietnam-despite-dishs-controversy/all/

  • razzz razzz

    'Is the Dollar Really a Petrodollar anymore?'

    "…All these claims that the “petrodollar” is going to collapse are just a total joke. Oil is less than 10% of world trade. These people are living in the ’70s. Hey, cut the hair and get rid of the bell bottoms. It’s 40+ years later!
    There is not even an attempt to be a true honest analysis of the subject. Just look at the figures. The oil and gas drilling sector make up between 4.6% and 6.5% of the global economy. The FX market DAILY trading volume is about $5.3 trillion which dwarfs the equities and futures markets no less oil and gold.

    The support behind the dollar is (1) it can be used worldwide without permission from the USA as is the case with the Japanese yen. It is a single currency with a single federal debt market where BIG money can park – that is not the case for the Euro, Ruble, or Yuan. The Iranian Rial has gone through major inflation. It will be devalued and called the “toman” despite the aliollah Seif, the governor of the Central Bank of Iran (CBI), who confirmed that the CBI has sent a bill to the government requesting the removal of a zero from the currency to reflect the public’s use of the term “toman” to refer to 10 rials. Any revaluation must wait until inflation has stabilized. And this is the currency that will dethrone the dollar? Give me a break!"
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/foreign-exchange/usd/is-the-dollar-really-a-petrodollar-anymore/

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    "The committee rejected a proposed amendment by Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Kamala Harris (both California Democrats) to require the government to get a probable cause warrant from the FISA court for domestic Section 702 search queries.

    The committee rejected a proposed amendment by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) to prohibit using FISA to collect communications without a warrant that are known to be entirely domestic in origin.

    The committee rejected a proposed amendment by Wyden that would have codified a ban on using FISA to collect communications that are merely "about" a subject as opposed to communications that were to or from a subject. The use of "about" searches have currently been suspended because they resulted in the federal government getting unwarranted access to all sorts of communications they really had no authority to look at.

    The committee rejected a proposed amendment by Wyden to stop domestic "reverse targeting" via the FISA search authorities. This is a method where the feds target a foreigner for surveillance, but what they really want to do is hear what the people on the other end—including Americans—are saying.

    The committee rejected a proposed amendment by Wyden to further restrict the use of communications collected via Section 702 in legal proceedings."

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/15/the-senate-intelligence-committee-really

    Good news! Oh wait, did I misread?

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Fine racketeering on display here.

    "In response the Desert Sun's investigations, it appears that Coachella officials will rethink their methods. Indio's interim city manager and a council member, however, defended the harsh enforcement, insisting this "aggressive approach" was getting results. This aggressive approach apparently includes an $18,600 bill for having overgrown grass, two broken windows, and a "sun-damaged address number.""

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/16/minor-violations-lead-to-massive-prosecu

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