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  • q Farthington MacMananus

    I read SpaceX has some sort of launch soon with one of the most unfortunate names I know of. It's named Zuma.

    Dude, that thing is probably going to rip you off for billions before it fails horribly.

    Oh wait, that already happened, in both cases.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Four lettuces, a celery plant, scallions in water and sprouts..onions and garlic in pots..swiss chard, and Italian parsley holding well outside.
    Every year I learn..

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      I threw a handful or two's worth of chia seeds in some parts of this garden a few days ago. Something looks like it's growing, I have no idea what it is, but there seems to be quite a bit of it

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Now you can have chia pets.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chia_Pet#/media/File:Alligator_Chia_Pet.jpg

        If you have a dog or cat, the chia grass is very good for them. You can probably juice it, too.

        Chia pudding: soak about 1/2 cup to 1 cup of chia seed in 2 to 4 cups of water. Stir frequently for the first hour (prevents clumping). Add water as necessary until seeds have plumped up. To serve: add nut milk or milk of your choice to reach desired consistency. n(Can add fruit or fruit juice to sweeten.) Serve with honey and cinammon. High in protein, minerals, cinnammon has anti-inflammatory properties. Honey has numerous health benefits. And it tastes great. A sante.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Kale, broccoli, argula, italian parsley re-seeding itself here. Winter garden is off to a late start. Everything produced late here in California. Tomatoes, peppers going crazy now with fruit, and it's November. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Those things will freeze soon.

      Are you gardeners covering your garden to help protect against radioactive rainouts?

      The municipal or well water is always (of course) a concern but it might have some filtration.

      Love the idea of natural rainwater but know it's likely contaminated now.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    That's cool..farthing.
    My arugula and kale has reseeded itself..my beloved mint for tea always faithful.
    I'll tell you new gadget..(I have a couple..I like gadgets…lol). It's a water bottle, lantern, and phone charger.. it's sweet.. helps walking my tiny dog in the dark.

  • This one had to be reposted as it's own topic!!!

    Polonium-2I0 and Lead-210
    in Food and Tobacco Products:
    A Review of Parameters and
    an Estimate of Potential
    Exposure and Dose
    http://fipr.state.fl.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/05-DFP-015Final.pdf

    Just look at the foods that absorb these toxins and limit or completely eliminate them!!!!

    Don't let the dates on these reports fool ya…

    They were done shortly after open air bomb testing…

    Today in 2017 with the releases from nuclear power and the use modern mined fertilizers, these numbers will be MUCH higher…

    Look at the list and see the foods that take up these poisons and compare them to the foods that reject them.

    That's how you will know what to eat and what to stay away from…

    Watch this one….

    Apples won't take up these poisions even when they surround the tree.

    Mushrooms will eat it up like a glutton when present…

    Ant the proof is in the results from real radiation testing.

    https://youtu.be/j6mreZ98_Ug

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Biological half life of Cs 137 being much shorter than half life does not indicate it is therefore less harmful and not of concern while in the body.

      The sensitivity of an organism varies from one individual to the next, and arguably higher body burdens cause more damage.

      The gamma spectrometer readings from the video are interesting, but it's hard to draw a lot of conclusions from a 10 minute presentation. I would not base my dietary habits on conclusions drawn from this video.

      But it is helpful. Just saying there is more involved ….

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Apples DO take up Cs 137. Just not as much as, say, a forest mushroom, or so-called, "Cesium sponge."

        And we do want to consume foods which take up fewer radiotoxins if we can. And avoid others.

        Will not eat shrooms any more unless they are grown indoors in a controlled environment – with filtered water and air. Which means on the few occasions I do eat them, they are grown inside my own home.

        Not trying to tell anyone else what to do, just pointing a few things out from the video which jumped out at me.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Soil for growing mushrooms (medium) also needs to be as free of contaminants as possible. (Big overall factor to consider.)

          Probably not a great food to eat post-atmospheric weapons testing, and after Fukushima etc. but some of the harm can be mitigated by growing them yourself or getting them from a grower using only clean "inputs," i.e., soil, air, water, nutrients.

          Personally like them a lot so eat them once in awhile but know they're basically a "high-risk" food.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Hmmn, apples also contain a lot of pectin, which is said to help chelate out radiotoxins from inside the body.

          The archives of the forum on mitigating the effects of radiation had a lot of info. on this.

          Can we still access those archives? (Haven't checked for awhile, and the format and content of the site here keeps changing.)

      • Yes HoTaters!!!!

        My purpose in showing this video is to get people to realize that there is a huge difference in the toxins in plants.

        It's a shot one but I find that folks usually don't sit through a 2 hour symposium until they recognize the importance of the subject.

        So that video is 2 fold important in bringing awareness…

        1 is you get to see a real radiation test without anyone speculating on a "click" from a simple GM counter…

        And 2 is that the mushrooms 700+ miles away from the accident absorbed many times as much cesium as the apple tree less than 2 miles away from that same release.

        Now once people start to figure these 2 things out then maybe they will study these facts and actually sit through a 2 hour symposium online…

        But most have no idea how to test foods for radiation and become confused as to the results…

        Here's some examples of the wrong way to test foods for radiation…

        • So people have no idea how to test foods and as a result, spread falsehoods as truth.

          Here's the wrong way to test foods for radiation!!!!

          First up on the doing nothing to actually find radiation is this guy testing a can of tuna with a simple counter…

          He's testing a wet food and you can't detect the radiation with a simple counter if moisture is present in the food, the water will shield the activity making it virtually impossible for a cheap counter to read it. Just realize the fact that a fuel pool is open on the top and has no real containment, the water does the blocking of activity even for the most massively radioactive materials on the planet.

          When trying to use a simple counter to check for radiation the proper preparation would be to dry the tuna in a food drier, grind it up with a coffee grinder and then test it.

          Watch this guy draw a conclusion without ever actually performing a real test on it…

          https://youtu.be/RQNvVMRrAXs

          So testing the tuna with a GM counter without drying it first will tell you nothing about it's radioactivity… This so called test is bunk science, you can draw NO conclusions from this exercise in futility.

          Here's one from a DJ on the air spreading falsehoods that is even more ridiculous…

          https://youtu.be/FZcYd81cpw4

          This one thinks that the radiation will jump out of the can and into the room… Pure bunk!!!! Result? Pure progaganda.

          Continued…

          • Here's the wrong way to test foods for radiation (continued)!!!

            Next up we have a video that looks impressive but show no accuracy and is not a real test at all.

            This is a GM test using the logging software that may appear to a layman as being a real test but is in no way a test for radiation in food.

            https://youtu.be/YxW9iweTCOQ?t=1m34s

            Next up on the looks like a test but is a total waste of time list is this guy who knows NOTHING about what we's doing with food testing, uses a very cheap counter and attempts to tell you something that would equate to a blind man describing the color of the sky.

            He knows nothing about what he says but he may also actually think he's doing something.

            https://youtu.be/206kQPlT1ws

            The defining statement on this video? He said "I haven't found any (radiation) yet".

            I wonder why…

            So there are 3 proofs of propaganda from people that may even believe it themselves. It's a lack of simple training and not using the proper gear OR Technics that produce these false reports.

            Even if the person reporting it believes it's true…

            It is not true on any level and there is NO WAY for them to know if radiation has contaminated these foods one way or the other.

            These tests would be like asking a deaf person what a bird sounds like.

            Next up I'll show you a real hippie with real gear and the proper ways to test your foods.

            Continued…

          • Here's the wrong way to test foods for radiation (continued)!!!

            OK so enough with the silly nonproductive and completely false test examples…

            Here's a REAL Hippie that has the gear and the knowledge to actually know whats in food, If you pay attention to this video you will have the best examples of how to actually test food for radiation.

            Can I detect Radiation in food? What is a Safe Level of Radiation:

            https://youtu.be/OO90b7pCb-M

            Many thanks to Tom over at antiprotons for this video.

            Take the time to understand this subject, your life may depend on it.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      What conclusions should we draw from the Oak Ridge/Union Carbide study? The study has a health physics slant.

      Somehow feel like I missed the point. Did you want us to draw our own conclusions from that, HD?

      • "What conclusions should we draw from the Oak Ridge/Union Carbide study? The study has a health physics slant."

        Look at the results from the actual testing, the actual numbers on that report.

        Then research and find out that NO amount of many of the isotopes listed are safe to ingest.

        Then remember to ignore a spokesman with a vested interest in the conclusion they portray as so called "safe levels".

        If you let a mouthpiece influence you and you stop looking at the actual results the mouthpiece has won.

        There is a huge difference between certified readings and detection of dangerous materials and what some spokesman says about them.

        The tests are real, the opinions from some spokesperson don't matter. Study the hard certified and proven data and come to your own conclusions about the dangers involved with these things and then shout the truth from the rooftops everywhere…

        Truth is in the actual numbers, propaganda is designed to get you to somehow ignore those numbers as the real evidence.

        So my point? If some spokesman says something you don't agree with or know in your knower is a lie and then you ignore the actual testing, the nefarious have won the battle to cover the actual facts up.

    • razzz razzz

      In the case of tobacco plants, they have a sticky residue that actually captures whatever it floating by. Doesn't need to be or have to be absorbed through the roots system. So, if fertilizers are contaminated to begin with then applied, spread or sprayed, the tobacco plant's sticky residue will trap and hold various particles in the surrounding air that might be poisonous. And it doesn't necessarily have to particles from farming but could be radioactive fallout from decades past in the vicinity.

      Trees or plant life in general, uptake radiocesium as an analog of potassium which is apparent during the spring flowering season i.e. when pine needle buddings release radiocesium back into the environment. Radiocesium becomes part of the cycle of nature when radiocesium is unnatural.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      bionerd is eating an apple with 39 bq/kg. She calls this totally safe. But if she kept eating apples contaminated with this level of fallout, she would reach 50 bq/kg body burden which would give her irreversible heart damage. Since I pointed this out to Hippie Dog the last time he posted her video, I think he is a shill or troll for the nuke industry, perhaps unwittingly, or dimwittedly. He always argues with derision and stupidity when you point out the failings of the nuke industry and science. Its quite an irritant

      https://ratical.org/radiation/Fukushima/StevenStarr.html

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Thanks, Code. Agreed. Some of this, "look, this can help keep you safe" stuff makes no sense.

      • Sorry you think I'm confused oh complicated one…

        Totally into bionerd…. If you see her tell her that I want play with her boobies…

        And by the way that kind of detection will tell you what's there, a click is just a click, and a count is just a count…

        Next level stuff?

        What causes the count?

        Ya like apples? The Chernobyl video says it all about guessing…

        Don't guess??? Really? 400? 20? 42.3 Of WHAT!!!!!

        The counts don't matter if you don't know what's causing the "click" count.

        The crane and shovel in that amusement park are hot and are radioactively hot virtually forever, the stuff bombards metal at the molecular level and stays there…

        As the kids used to say, "That's a big bb gun dad"… Shinny too…

        Just for fun…

        Take a Virtual Horseback Trail Ride with Gentle Horse Trainer Missy Wryn:

        https://youtu.be/WdCs-fluNCk?t=3m10s

      • "bionerd is eating an apple with 39 bq/kg. She calls this totally safe. But if she kept eating apples contaminated with this level of fallout"

        Really? What about if she was eating mushrooms from 700+ miles away? Then how contaminated would she be?

        When's the last time you ate mushrooms? Where did they come from???

        What's the propensity for mushrooms to absorb cesium versus apples? 10 to one? nope… How about 100 to one, nope again, hey how about 1000 to one…

        Cherries versus apples? The difference in some plants absorbing these isotopes is so absurd that there were no cherries left alive in that area (Chernobyl) to even test. The natural propensity to uptake these poisons in that plant killed all the cherry trees in the entire area.

        What about lettuce or celery versus carrots?

        That's the point of this whole experiment, not some silly conclusion based on some number or something you read somewhere.

        Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

        • As a side note it's a known fact that eating even a few leaves from a wild cherry tree (most anywhere in the world) will in fact cause a horse to become ill and in many cases die suddenly.

          So if you are a horse owner you already know better than to have cherry trees on your property.

          Why? Cherry trees are extremely toxic to horses simply from the nutrients and pollution that particular kind of plant absorbs. And when stressed they produce all kinds of deadly poisons.

          So wonder why there are no cherries around the Chernobyl nuclear disaster? Simple they were poisoned by the isotopes but the apple tree refused to absorb them.

          You like apples?

          What about pigs from Germany?

          https://youtu.be/j6mreZ98_Ug?t=7m15s

          how about them apples…

          These are the true points of that experiment.

          • Cherry Trees absorb radiation in mass and testing them is a hallmark key in understanding the fallout in Japan….

            But guess what… They have (all but a very few) been cut down in the areas around the accident and beyond.

            Why? Aren't cherry trees a national symbol in Japan and it's prosperity that have been cultivated for ages with the utmost care? Why cut them down??? Because It's a plant that will absorb those poisons in mass and can be easily tested to discover (and reveal) the contamination in the area.

            Here's a quote to think about next time you want to eat cherries or mushrooms…

            "Once landscaped with greenery, the long, steep slope separating the upper and lower terraces of Fukushima Daiichi is now a moonscape of smooth concrete, designed to keep rainwater from soaking into the contaminated ground. As the bus descended toward the ocean, we passed an area piled high with the sun-bleached trunks of dead pine trees. Only a few cherry trees had been spared the chainsaw"

            https://www.popsci.com/fukushima-five-years-later#page-3

            • PlowboyGrownUp

              I got some wild cherry trees that 'rains'. They drop small drops of water, or sap or something.

              • Well if you don't have animals that forage it's probably not a problem…

                But it is a opportunity to discover the toxins on your place (in the area around the tree) if you have the leaves and sap tested…

                Not a easy or cheap thing to do, if you are on a farm or other rural area try calling your ag agent and see if they will test them for you…

                In the case of a farm or ranch many times they (agricultural agents) will test it for you (if you have a good ag agent in your area).

                If you have a (GC) counter like a GMC-300 or above place it in a plastic bag and set it outside on ther ground away from the tree away from traffic areas (don't place it where people walk like beside the porch) for 24 hours and record the average, then take it as is and place it under the tree for 24 hours and get a average… The difference may give you some clues.

                Should never be directly in the sun for either test. If you need to keep the counter out of the sun (shaded) for these tests a plastic lawn chair or table placed over the counter while placing the counter directly on the ground (in a ziplock bag) will help to keep it in the shade.

                Let us know what you find…

                • Oh yea and don't seal (zip up) the bag opening…

                  • q Farthington MacMananus

                    What if you used like a sort of radiation deflector cover, maybe sort of like a cone, loudspeaker or something?

                    Somewhat unrelated, how about a quartz prism?Kinda like a satellite to deflect the gamma rays?

                    Could get pretty good directional readings, maybe.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      "s. But Dietrich Habs has proved them wrong. In their research, Dietrich's team bombarded neutrons in chlorine and gadolinium to produce gamma rays, which were then directed into a crystal spectrometer, used to harness the gamma rays into a specific direction. "

                    • Yea the cobalt in the magnet would kill the experiment and crank up the tunes during the test right over the counter too (hehehe)…

                      The point of the bag is not to contaminate the counter with sap or dirt… The point of leaving it "unzipped" is to allow for the most accurate count possible under the circumstances.

                      I hate even using them (a plastic bag) on a counter because they block counts but in the case of testing under a tree that makes sap, if you don't use one (a plastic bag), it will contaminate the counter and is a bitch to clean off (must use lighter fluid and that will even strip the printed labels off the face of most counters)…

                      Joe Bonamassa – Sloe gin @ Royal Albert Hall:

                      https://youtu.be/F1_6yCHnSI4

          • And I should clarify this statement…

            "As a side note it's a known fact that eating even a few leaves from a wild cherry tree (most anywhere in the world) will in fact cause a horse to become ill and in many cases die suddenly."

            Why? because a horse cannot vomit… It's diaphragm is in the wrong place for it (the horse) to be able to actually eject it's stomach contents. A real problem when it eats something toxic that most other animals (including humans) just don't have.

            So when we talk about the canary in the coal mine, a horse is a good indicator of toxins because if a horse eats something it has to digest it (without a tubed stomach pump intervention from a human)

            Problem with that data is most all responsible horse owners keep that crap away from their horses.

            Something we should effeminately apply to "nuclear over site" huh…

      • "bionerd is eating an apple with 39 bq/kg. She calls this totally safe."

        And as usual code has to make up something to get attention…

        False, false, false… Just another twisted fairy tale statement made by codeshutdown.

        Bionerd never said it was totally safe to eat that apple, she said that the mushrooms from hundreds of miles away were way more contaminated than the apple from just 2 miles away with the exact same fallout.

        Try to actually tell the truth if you are going to make wild / rash claims about someone else's statements code.

        And bionerd is in the field, not sitting a desk making up fairy tales in soap opera fashion like you have done time and time again in the conversations posted here by you codeshutdown.

        Joe Bonamassa – 'Mountain Climbing':

        https://youtu.be/3qJ8bT3W1D0

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          HD says

          "And as usual code has to make up something to get attention…
          'bionerd is eating an apple with 39 bq/kg. She calls this totally safe.'
          False, false, false… Just another twisted fairy tale statement made by codeshutdown."

          This is the title of bionerds video
          'eating radioactive apples from chernobyl? perfectly fine! [gamma spectroscopy]'

          • Codshutdown (the name says it all) says:

            "This is the title of bionerds video
            eating radioactive apples from chernobyl? perfectly fine! [gamma spectroscopy]"

            Did it say perfectly safe code? Did she ever say it was perfectly safe to eat that apple codeshutdon?

            The real answer? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO she did not (false) on both statements made and posted by codeshutdown.

            If you want to come off as a person that can observe and report the truth ya may want to start paying attention to what is actually said and actually start using real factual quotes by folks you want to discredit. Instead of making a statement that can be easily proven false by your own posts written in your own hand (and I still can't figure out why you would want to refute real testing and real proven results in the first place) try actually understanding the facts…

            Just a thought.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Interesting climate change discussion, have been reading about Lamar Smith as Chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. Smith has a lot of jurisdictional power, at least in name.

    Quote from Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, to Gizmodo in an email. “No-one uses models blindly—they need to be tested against real-world observations and their predictions have to be evaluated."

    Commenting on Climate Change reporting sent to U.S. educators. Climate change denialism. The Koch brothers are behind this effort.

    See the quote below. Note mention of aerosols.

    https://gizmodo.com/the-most-insane-claims-from-the-climate-conspiracy-manu-1794170334

    “'Scientists are constantly working to try to improve these models and reduce uncertainty,” (per climate scientist Patrick Brown of the Carnegie Institution for Science). 'This is all done openly and honestly in the peer-reviewed literature.'

    Schmidt added that there are some consequences of climate change that have occurred faster than our models predicted—like the rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice—'so no one thinks the models are perfect.'

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      (cont.) Statement from Patrick Brown

      "'The rest of the Heartland statement is just made up,' Schmidt said. 'We include all relevant forcings—including natural ones like volcanoes and solar, and anthropogenic effects that cool the climate like aerosols and irrigation….the notion that we are excluding forcings or feedbacks that run against our "mission" is simply nonsense.'”

      From the first paragraph of the Gizmodo article:

      "The Heartland Institute, America’s leading peddler of climate change denialism, is back with a new installment in its ongoing misinformation campaign. According to InsideClimate, the Koch brothers-backed think tank recently mailed a second edition of its report on the “unsettled” science of global warming to thousands of American science teachers—much to the horror of educators nationwide."

      You be the judge. IMHO anything the Koch brothers back is suspect.

      But more on Lamar Smith, an interesting figure.

      https://science.house.gov/about/chairman-lamar-smith

      Smith a Congressman from the 21st Cong. Dist. of Texas.

      "He serves as Chairman of the Science, Space, and Technology Committee, which has jurisdiction over programs at NASA, the Department of Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Science Foundation, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology."

      Smith is not a trained scientist. Trump's key decision makers on science are not trained scientists.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Am not attempting to tie Trump to the Koch brothers. Just mention them together to point out the politicians from energy sector states, and persons in Trump's sphere of influence are from energy sector industries.

        EX: Smith and Perry, Tillerson, all would ostensibly take a pro-industry, pro-energy sector position. And it seems Trump's cabinet and the key decision makers in power, those steering Congressional committees appear to be pro-industry, pro-MIC.

        This has unsettling implications. We have already seen how some of this is playing out.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Anyone see Dick Cheney running around lately? He is not in China is he?

    If you are smoker, over weight and stay out of the gyms..good for you.

    They will go/come for the young healthy ones first! Hide if your fit and healthy! Hide!

    World's first human HEAD transplant is 'successfully' carried out on a corpse (now all he needs to do is try it on a live person)

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5092769/World-s-human-head-transplant-carried-out.html#ixzz4yiOf7m9y
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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Not much I keep the water fresh ..every two weeks or so..a mild tonic ..I make from tea and compost 'juice'..just a little.
    Start them from whole plants from the grocery ..remove all the leaves except a few from the core ..set in shallow bowls of water. ..prop up with tooth picks..
    They grow..harvest leaves ..leaving a core growth..
    Same with lettuce..look for some with strong cores.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS. Celery, I brought in a rooted plant..cut it back and put it in water..doing well.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Good idea. A friend suggested doing that, worked well. Have done something similar recently with a piece from a leek. It was apparently enough of the root that a whole new plant grew. The celery and lettuce grow back, yes.

      Threw some in the composter and plants re-grew (lettuce cores, onions, leeks). They survive amazingly well under the right conditions.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Heart, you can take the very center part of a celery core. As long as the base of the celery has the part that grows roots, you can re-plant it. A new plant will grow from the little core.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Answer on the wrong page..waving..

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Also..the baby bok choy is very beautiful.

  • So you say you want a job and willing to work hard, what did you do in your last occupation?

    "I was a troll at an anti-nuclear website for years"

    A troll, what exactly does a troll do?

    "First you come up with a moniker, something that relates to the crowd like 'dirty hippie' and add some popular meme from the regulars in this case dogs seemed real popular. So I was HippieDog."

    I see, what things do you do?

    "Well it is important to attack the people, especially the smartest, and to drown out their conversation, wallpaper per se. Irritate the heck out of them by getting the same points wrong, over and over. And then post up music videos without description to deflect and distract, and to also discourage people from following links at all. I also loved the 'appeal to authority' in which I send people to the other paid government operatives with real college degrees and websites"

    So what is the point of all this?

    "Well, it was the only job I could get without having to leave my parents basement. And it paid pretty well, and I got to associate with nuclear science, so I felt smart."

    I see, NEXT!

    • That a good one son…

      Perhaps you should actually look at history to find the real meaning of the total crap you babble…

      Why Hippie Dog? For only the worthy will ever know and you son ain't worthy…

      A thief will come and steal and rob…

      A grape gatherer will take nothing and leave you some grapes when he has gone.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Every particle of normal matter has an antimatter counterpart, equal in mass but opposite in charge. For instance, the antiparticle of the negatively charged electron is the positively charged positron, a particle that makes up the bulk of antimatter striking the top of Earth’s atmosphere from outer space. When a particle meets its antiparticle, they annihilate each other, typically releasing energetic photons called gamma rays as a result.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/through-a-gas-darkly-scientists-trace-the-origins-of-earths-antimatter/

    Same for anti-nuclear/nuclear…

  • razzz razzz

    'Elon Musk Unveils the Tesla Semi Truck & Roadster 2.0 full'
    https://youtu.be/s_8ToNr6p6o

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      On that news, some trucker related stocks dropped sharply today, Cummings is the one I saw.

    • Jebus Jebus

      It's brazenly bold till one starts thinking about the advantage ac regen has in constant torque applications. With transmission tech being so advanced now, even heavy equipment benefits from constant torque. Everything is going motion controls. Much small equipment is alredy electric over hydraulic. Soon big stuff will all be battery electric. Because you can carry a small ice generator…

      I know he is just raising cash right now, but to think about it again.

      What the hell can diesel tech do after the tier four nightmare.

      Now that ICE is dying like the dinosaurs, I see his forced vision as very smart.

      The system is a bit upset though…

    • razzz razzz

      That's not the only companies getting hitting by advancing technologies.

      'Boeing, Lockheed, Musk's SpaceX May Get A New Rival For Military Work'

      "On Thursday, Virgin Orbit won a contract from the Air Force to carry technology demonstration satellites" on its LauncherOne rocket by early 2019. The LauncherOne rocket will be "air launched" from a modified Boeing 747 called "Cosmic Girl."

      The contract follows Branson's quiet launch earlier this month of Vox Space, a subsidiary of Virgin Orbit, that will focus on military contracts.

      While there is plenty of room in space, the launchpad is becoming more crowded. That's good news for the Pentagon as it looks toward increased competition and embracing new technology like reusable rockets to lower launch costs.

      United Launch Alliance, a Boeing-Lockheed joint venture, had a monopoly on military launches until Elon Musk of Tesla (TSLA) fame entered the scene with SpaceX. Defense officials have since acknowledged that the new competition from SpaceX is helping to speed up the industry and reduce costs.

      Boeing shares fell 0.55% at 262.26 on the stock market today. Lockheed dipped 1%.."
      https://www.investors.com/news/boeing-lockheed-musks-spacex-may-get-a-new-rival-for-military-work/?src=A00220&yptr=yahoo

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "The Food and Drug Administration has approved the first digital pill for the US which tracks if patients have taken their medication. The pill called Abilify MyCite, is fitted with a tiny ingestible sensor that communicates with a patch worn by the patient — the patch then transmits medication data to a smartphone app which the patient can voluntarily upload to a database for their doctor and other authorized persons to see"
    https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/14/16648166/fda-digital-pill-abilify-otsuka-proteus

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    I don't like musk. I don't like dodgy subsidies. I don't like trump. I don't like military. I don't like lithium.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/3/trump_considers_prolonging_afghan_war_to

    https://www.voanews.com/a/afghanistan-trump-mining-lithium/3798585.html

  • Here's one for all the brainiacs out there…

    True or false…

    If you put a monkey at a typewriter for all eternity could the monkey randomly type out a Shakespeare play eventually?

    The answer is?

    https://youtu.be/IJ36cRPg9es?t=11s

    Best we all get to thinking about that one huh…

  • DUDe DUDe

    "The industrial age (American Industrial Revolution: 1820-1870) forced a nation of farmers to become wage earners, and they became fearful of unemployment – a new fear that corporations quickly learned to exploit. Company towns arose. and blacklists of labor organizers and workers who spoke up for their rights became common. When workers began to organize, industrialists and bankers hired private armies to keep them in line. They bought newspapers to paint businessmen as heroes and shape public opinion. Corporations bought state legislators, then announced legislators were corrupt and said that they used too much of the public’s resources to scrutinize every charter application and corporate operation."

    • DUDe DUDe

      Corporations: Their Rise To Dominance In The U.S.

      Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

      How our early colonists tried to control corporations and slowly-finally, unavoidably, failed.

      When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

      In Europe, charters protected directors and stockholders from liability for debts and harms caused by their corporations. American legislators explicitly rejected this corporate shield. The penalty for abuse or misuse of the charter was not a plea bargain and a fine, but dissolution of the corporation.

      Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

      Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
      Corporations could engage only in activities…

  • razzz razzz

    'Lithium – the new White Gold'

    "…The price has soared from $1,550 to $9,100 a metric ton. This interesting metal was once used as a treatment for brain disorders. It was also the title of a song by Nirvana for its effect on the brain. Lithium is often found in salt flats when water repeatedly evaporates from a shallow lake, leaving behind a crusty layer of salt minerals. Consequently, Lithium is unique because it is the lightest known metal.

    During the 1790s, it was a Brazilian naturalist who discovered the mineral called petalite on an island in Sweden. Then in 1817, a chemist in Sweden discovered that petalite contained a previously unknown element. He was able to isolate one of the salts, but he could not isolate the mineral itself…

    …The latest story involved a pair of exploding headphones on a plane. That incident came after the Samsung’s Galaxy Note 7 recall of their phones, which ended that line. You can’t chalk it all up to incompetence, either. At the famous Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a robot named RoboSimian blew-up thanks to a lithium battery. So what is so dangerous? Inside, there is a thin and porous slip of polypropylene that normally keeps the electrodes from touching. If that separator is breached, the electrodes come in contact, and things get very hot very quickly. So why even use them? Lithium-ion batteries are indeed the most efficient battery…"
    https://www.armstrongeconomics

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

    I'm now trying to combine a raw vegan diet with intermittent fasting. Just eating during a 3 hour window everyday and the rest of the day just drinking Eldorado Springs water or distilled Eldrado Sprngs water that I distill myself.

    Eating 80% raw vegetables, 7-10 cups of raw vegetables including greens, provides an alkaline diet and plenty of potassium.

    Organic and non-GMO makes it easier to avoid all the endocrine distrupting pesticides and herbicides drenching the earth.

    I have to take liquid calcium with magnesium to balance all the potassium. Also I have to take B-12.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Check if there's maybe a little boron with your magnesium and calcium supplement. Supposedly it's important (with respect to calcium and magnesium. I dunno how much you'd get from your plants.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

        TY, Frank. I eat all these foods that have boron except prunes and raisins.

        “…Many plant-based foods offer decent to wonderful amounts of boron. Some of the best include: chickpeas, almonds, beans, vegetables, bananas, walnuts, avocado, broccoli, prunes, oranges, red grapes, apples, raisins, pears, and many other beans and legumes….”
        http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/boron-for-your-bones-without-dairy-or-meat/

        I hardly eat anything that isn't on that list, and certainly never animals or animal products.

        I don't take a boron supplement because I have extremely strong bones, and got cancer because, in part, of too much estrogen in my body.
        My cancer was extremely estrogen sensitive. So I just follow what kept me alive when I was supposed to die of cancer in 1989. I had had cancer already then for 3 to 5 years and it was stage 4 cancer. I am just fasting most of the day to make ketones to avoid Alzheimer's and another problem with cancer, etc.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Can't imagine how it is that 'Climate Change' is so hard to fix. hahaha

      http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a17240/how-does-ethanol-impact-fuel-efficiency/

      So, for the poor sap in the example, his mileage 'loss' % exceeds the ethanol 'offset', result is more gasoline used 'because' of ethanol.
      Nice, eh? There is a business 'advantage' here if one looks. Volume.

      Add insult to injury.

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a7263/the-one-time-it-makes-clear-sense-to-buy-e85/

      There is a reason for the large variables in E10/E15 fuel mileages.
      I never hear anyone bring this up.
      Ethanol is mixed at the time of delivery. There is little oversight on 'exactly' the % blend at every gas station. Not Possible.

      Sooo, in my area, it varies, the pump says 'up to 10% ethanol'.
      It was 3%-17% back when I was testing it, it is an easy test.

      Bada-bing, bada-boom.

    • DUDe DUDe

      The short pull towards bio-fuel is a typical example of humankind searching for solutions with the same part of the brain/thinkingprocess that created all its current "inconveniences" , like The Sixth Great Extinction..Fukushima..and all other manmade clusterF*cks..first..

      Doing so creating more extra destruction..glazed stare at the results a bit too long..trying to save investments that shouldent have been made to begin with etc..before pussyfootingly start searching for acceptable PC words to admit it maybe not the final solution and the rest of the proces..how long will it take to kick all that crap of the planet and go fullblown to sustainability as primary goal of every human action on this planet..fuck insane profits for the fubarly overdosed addicts already first..Earth First !

      Or its this..just this..

      The Doors – When the Music's Over (with Lyrics)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkKRU1ajKFA

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        its seems like bio fuel would work out. Solar powered after all

        Thermodynamic efficiency of biofuels
        https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/WM08/WM08033FU1.pdf

        • Jebus Jebus

          Imagine had we continued that path.

          http://bioenergyconnection.org/article/short-history-biofuels

          I don't think that combustion is the answer because of the need to generate the fuel.

          Specially when that part is unnecessary…

        • DUDe DUDe

          We should steer away from combustion engines as much as possible..and bio-mass..is food for the bio-mass..nothing else..or again..as litle as possible..

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Combustion isnt necessarily polluting. For example hydrogen combustion.

          a patent for using pure oxygen to make pollution free petrol engines
          https://www.google.com/patents/US3861367

          The alternative seems to be all electric, which is fine by me. Unfortunately, there is no energy storage of sufficient capacity for any long distance travel. Electric generation and materials waste will still be an issue.

          What else?

          efficiency. I was just reading that autos are only 10% thermodynamically efficient. A south facing window probably heats your home with 80% efficiency. Solar powered cars show there is just barely enough energy from the sun for storage free travel. But the public is used to huge cars that weigh 10x as much as the driver. So only a massive reconsideration of vehicles could allow the use of the energies and materials we have on hand.

          aerodynamic drag is the predominant problem at speeds. Culture is screwed up; aerodynamic concept cars never make it to market

          https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d7/c8/50/d7c850155f42f213a478a9c976e2060f–science-fiction-geek.jpg

          https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c1/70/a0/c170a07b5a7c6d6cc29b2592d46f60f7–alfa-romeo-race-cars.jpg

          • DUDe DUDe

            Noobquestion ahead..Do electrical engines generate the same amount of heat as combustion ?

            • AirSepTech AirSepTech

              No, not even close, you can air cool very high power electrics, aircraft are about the only big/air cool possible combustion engines. But,,, there are many water cooled electric motors, nothing beats water for cooling.

              The big/complete picture is the real tell in machines,
              the real energy use to acquire the fuels, build the machine/devise, produce/operate the thing, maintain the thing, and dispose of any/all the wastes created, and the device itself at the end of its life cycle.

              Many different scenarios can get very close, once you get all in. Obviously, there is a lot to consider.

              Mankind's problem is much bigger than the methods, the problem is all these steps provide jobs/income/taxes. All this crap we do, so a loaf of bread is on the table.

              Whether you work/buy, or it is provided, it still is what we have adopted as 'the economy'. It will have to change

              Road 'fuels' are the easy fruit. 'Off-Road' fuel needs, produced from/in the volumes needed without the road fuel massive use will be quite another problem. Not to mention all the other products in the chain.

              By golly, when my tin-hat gets real tight, I think they throw ethanol in gas to waste more gas, if you need more of the off-road fuels, and don't have storage for it. Or lower the price to encourage use, which will be no surprise as electrics become more common.

              What a game. 😆

              • DUDe DUDe

                Thanks AST , then for that reason alone i think another +1 for electricity..less heat pollution..

                • DUDe DUDe

                  Plants ! We need to bring back the plants..

                  Bright Idea: This Lamp Harvests Its Own Energy From Plants

                  Now that's green energy. Dutch product designer Ermi van Oers and her team are working on the first atmospheric lamp powered by living plants.

                  The Living Light does not require an electric socket. It can harvest its own energy through the photosynthetic process of the encased plant, which means the potential of this off-grid light source could be "huge," as Van Oers told Dezeen.

                  "In a plant microbial fuel cell, solar energy is converted to electricity in a natural way. Plants use sunlight to photosynthesize, thus producing organic compounds. A part of these compounds is passively released via the roots into the soil. Naturally occurring bacteria break down the organic matter and release electrons and protons. The plant microbial fuel cell consists of an anode compartment that captures the electrons. The electrons are transferred via a wire to the cathode. The flow of electrons from anode to cathode can be used as electricity. The system is applicable to all sorts of plants that live in wet ground."

                  At its current state, the Living Light can only produce a small amount of energy, Van Oers admitted to Dezeen. The lamp needs a day to produce enough energy for a half hour charge.

                  https://www.ecowatch.com/living-light-plants-2510311321.html

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Green Day – Back In The USA (Official Music Video)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=115&v=i9GSF3ROa58

    And..if it had been Hillary..SSDP..same sh*t different politician.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    RIP ..brother Malcolm Young.. Highway to Hell ..indeed.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "In South Dakota, the energy company TransCanada says it shut down part of its pipeline Thursday after a rupture spilled 210,000 gallons of oil in a field near Amherst. The pipeline carries a highly polluting form of oil called "diluted bitumen."

    Tom Goldtooth: Carbon Trading Is "Fraudulent" Scheme to Privatize Air and Forests and Permit Pollution
    Nov 17 2017

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42637-tom-goldtooth-carbon-trading-is-fraudulent-scheme-to-privatize-air-and-forests-to-permit-pollution

    • DUDe DUDe

      Years of activity..getting close or succeeding in having laws changed for the better..then the next dumbwit comes along and reverse it in to worse then it ever was..amazing how calm he is..

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Wait, could you explain what you mean by that, specifically related to that article?

        Because I figured carbon taxation was fraudulent from the start. Some "persuasion paper" and preference, big corporations who wouldn't be influenced very much at all, oh right and then extra means for government to impose.

        I don't see carbon taxation as a means to curb carbon emissions, rather as a means to inflate monetary supply and drive further inequality. But hey, I'm just guessing.

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          What's next, methane tax? Hydrogen tax? Then? Oxygen and nitrogen tax? Fuck it, how about a thermal or solar radiation tax?

        • DUDe DUDe

          "Wait, could you explain what you mean by that, specifically related to that article?"

          The vid in the article..as i understood he is one of the people that can consider themselves part of the reason Obama made some good environmental laws..untill Drumpf came along..

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Oh with respect to Keystone XL, sure. Unfortunately there's also a fair amount of other not so positive things that happened while he was president. But fair enough.

            Agreed though, I've certainly not seen Trump show any respect for the environment anywhere.

            • DUDe DUDe

              Pipeline protester speaks out for first time after nearly losing her arm

              Sophia Wilansky says she was injured by a grenade while protesting the Dakota Access Pipeline.

              A year ago Tuesday, Sophia Wilansky stood on a bridge just outside the Dakota Access Pipeline encampment when she was flattened by a deafening explosion.

              She refused to look down at her left hand, because she could not feel it and feared it had been blown off.

              It became the emblematic moment of violence in the 10-month standoff between authorities and protestors, and it is not known if the metal shrapnel that tore through Sophia’s forearm came from a cop’s concussion grenade or a protester’s propane-tank bomb.

              Four surgeries later and still under FBI suspicion, the 22-year-old activist from Riverdale spoke publicly for the first time about the horror of Nov. 21, 2016.

              https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/pipeline-protestor-recalls-horror-of-nearly-losing-her-arm-in-clash-with-police/

            • DUDe DUDe

              "Unfortunately there's also a fair amount of other not so positive things that happened while he was president."

              Absolutely..he still came out of the duopoly just the same..has to be compatible with the agenda..

  • GOM GOM

    Big News

    "The Earth is still ajusting".. Cali Engineer

    California's Iconic Highway 1 Still Isn't Open in Big Sur Six Months After Massive Landslide

    With video

    https://weather.com/news/news/2017-11-14-big-sur-california-landslide-recovery

  • GOM GOM

    Big News

    Magnitude 7.3 Earthquake In Iran-Iraq Is The Deadliest Of 2017. …

    The 7.3-magnitude earthquake is estimated to have killed between 530 and 580 people and injured another 7,460. Most of the reported casualties are in Iran's western province of Kermanshah, nearby the epicenter of the earthquake.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/11/14/magnitude-7-3-earthquake-iran-iraq-deadliest-2017/amp/

  • GOM GOM

    Breaking News

    *A record rainfall of 20.57 mm (0.81 inches) was set at Reno-Tahoe International Airport on November 16, 2017,…

    *Cylone headed to Greece..?

    *6.9 China/India border

    *Findland: Fireball with sonic boom

    *'Biblical' flooding, Anthens, Greece

    https://watchers.news

  • DUDe DUDe

    Trying to reverse climate change might just destroy the world

    "Hollywood disaster movie “Geostorm” fell flat on its face at the box office and got so many things wrong when it comes to science that it’s really not even worth remembering, but it did manage to predict something vaguely accurately: manipulation of the climate is bad news. In a new study published in the journal Nature Communications, a team of researchers led by climate gurus at the University of Exeter reveal that dabbling in artificial cooling of the planet as a countermeasure to man-made global warming is a recipe for disaster."

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/15/trying-to-reverse-climate-change-might-just-destroy-the-world/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_2244827

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      The most obvious thing imo. Use and waste less. Buy cars less often, buy smartphones less often, buy less processed food, use less land for agriculture, less pharmaceuticals, watch less hollywood crap. Less mining, less production, less military.

      If people, society actually did that instead of trying to sidestep the issue while still retaining greed, it won't work.

      Then.

      Think of for instance people like Bill Gates, vaccinations, GMOs, education influence. Seemed great at the time, right?

      Think of Zuckerborg, Eric Schmidt, Larry Page, etc, or perhaps the nuclear proponents back in the day (maybe even today), seemed like a good idea at the time, right? Well, can you tell me a few things those people have in common? Other than being billionaires, government involvement and so on? Sociopathy and worse issues.

      And I'm adding Musk to that list.

      • DUDe DUDe

        "And I'm adding Musk to that list." I understand but Jebus made some good points on that the other day i think..we will have to work with what we have..and if that is not good enough of a choice spectrum then that is the result of everybody letting the cancer our economic system is..selfshaping itself for too long..

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Ffff…

        *Unless people, society actually did that instead of trying to sidestep the issue while still retaining greed, it won't work.

  • DUDe DUDe

    What are we fighting for..? Don't ask me i'm to ashamed for my species..:(

    Roy Moore cashes in after he’s accused of chasing high school girls

    Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore has been raking in the campaign cash ever since controversy exploded last week over allegations of his predatory behavior toward teenage girls in the 1970s.

    “Donations have been pouring in from Alabama and from all over the country in an unprecedented way,” Moore campaign manager Brett Doster told The Post on Saturday.

    Moore’s campaign raised $500,000 in three days last week and ramped up its online fundraising efforts, Doster said.

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/roy-moore-cashes-in-after-hes-accused-of-chasing-high-school-girls/

  • DUDe DUDe

    Nigerian Environmental Activist: Displacement from Climate Change Contributed to Rise of Boko Haram

    https://www.democracynow.org/2017/11/16/nigerian_environmental_activist_displacement_from_climate

    • razzz razzz

      Reads more like a 'pump and dump' article. Where's the uranium demand coming from? North Korea? Iran? Seems reactors are being shuttered faster than they are being built. Companies that deal in cleaning up radioactive sites might be a better play.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        How did you get to Iran/North Korea from that? I mean, if I look at the nuclear reliance or industries, number of power plants, processing facilities and such in those two countries, compared to uhm, dozens of others, I don't quite see it.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    I think I missed this earlier this year.

    "Mere Coincidence or somehow related? AREVA Nuclear Fuel Facility in Washington State used to be Exxon Nuclear Fuel until 2001. Former Exxon CEO, Rex Tillerson, as Secretary of State, is lead on plutonium fuel shipment approval under the terms of the US – Japan Peaceful Nuclear Cooperation Agreement of 1988, according to the article below."

    https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2017/06/08/secret-mox-plutonium-fuel-shipment-planned-from-french-gov-owned-areva-to-japan-trump-administration-approved-tillerson-lead/

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Oh good, I think I missed this a few days ago.

    "Construction started after the MOX method was chosen by the United States as part of a nuclear nonproliferation agreement with Russia in 2000. Each nation committed to permanent demilitarization of 34 metric tons of weapons-usable plutonium."

    “The defense bill represents a huge win for South Carolina, one of the nation’s proudest military states, because it authorizes funding for vital investments… such as the continued construction of the Mixed Oxide Fuel Fabrication Facility,” he said in a press release."

    http://www.aikenstandard.com/news/mox-construction-funding-earns-house-vote/article_7b867096-ca3e-11e7-8419-977ea62edba2.html

    I can't read too much into the "supposed" opposition mentioned there, because I think it's bullshit. Maybe there's a case of Russian/US collision though.

    SC is going to tire of the winning.

    • This is nuclear insanity at it's finest folks…

      First:

      We know that this whole debacle is about disarming the other guy so the delays are inevitable…

      He who drags his feet the most has more weapons materials than the other…

      This whole project is a "who can go the slowest" thing by design.

      Like a child when it comes time to straighten up his room. Suddenly the 10 year old child moves like he's 90 years old.

      And if we don't know MOX is unsuitable for use in nuclear power plants after unit 3 at Fukushima, it's simply for not looking honestly at (or ignoring) the proven evidence.

      Second:

      Both sides have spent trillions producing this stuff and created tones of deadly waste in doing so but instead of dealing with the waste they play the disarmament card…

      What's more dangerous? A lump of plutonium in a rocket stored properly or a billion gallons of deadly waste with no off switch in leaking and unsecured locations in our own back yards on both sides?

      It's just another typical "nuclear waste of time" (no pun intended) and money for something (like many failed reactor projects) that will never be completed…

      Meanwhile the funds that could be used to clean up the real threat of nuclear waste are spent on a building that lies doing nothing and odds are will never do anything.

      Nuclear insanity is alive and well, be it Russia or the US or Japan or India or Pakistan or Iran or, or, or and more or's…

    • razzz razzz

      They need billions not millions. Congress's allotment this year is about as much as they spent on settling congressional sexual harassment claims.

      • Scary ain't it razzz…

        Seems like we would get smarter instead of dumber…

        If you randomly dropped a fully educated man into a unknown forest today, he will most likely walk in circles until he starves and dies from shame…

        That one truth kinda knocks the whole idea that we just sprouted up from a mud puddle out cold doesn't it…

        Doing good? Or simply massaging that ego…

        You decide… Your'e the only one that can.
        Hummmmmmmmmmmmm….

        Queen – Bohemian Rhapsody:

        https://youtu.be/fJ9rUzIMcZQ

      • They need hundreds of million a year just to mothball that MOX facility.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Okay then.

    "President Donald Trump today announced he's nominating Alex Azar to be Department of Health and Human Services secretary, replacing Tom Price.

    Azar is a former executive for pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly and
    worked as a deputy secretary at HHS under President George W. Bush."

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-announces-alex-azar-tom-prices-replacement-department/story?id=51112984

    Selling you out, every which way.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Anybody a fan of earthquakes?

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "WASHINGTON (JTA) — Jewish and pro-Israel leaders exchanged heated remarks at a congressional hearing on how to define anti-Semitism.

    Tuesday’s hearing of the House Judiciary Committee took up a bill that would, among other things, define as anti-Semitism language that “demonizes” Israel.

    Of the nine witnesses who addressed the committee, five said the language was necessary to stem anti-Semitism on campuses. Four argued it infringes on freedom of speech." https://www.jta.org/2017/11/08/news-opinion/politics/barbs-fly-in-congress-as-proponents-opponents-of-law-codifying-anti-semitism-definition-face-off

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "According to Israel's deputy defense minister, the Palestinians might have landed from Mars …
    Deputy Defense Minister Eli Ben-Dahan doesn’t rule out the possibility that Palestinians arrived in the Jordan valley from Mars. He said so on Wednesday in response to an urgent parliamentary question from MK Dov Khenin (Joint List) about an army evacuation order delivered to residents of two Palestinian communities in the Jordan Valley on Thursday, November 9." https://www.haaretz.com//misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.823359

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Well, I came from Orion, before I landed on Saturn and teleported here.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Is this how it begins?
      By the labeling of other Humans as aliens?

    • Jebus Jebus

      I've always suspected that most humans come from somewhere near the seventh planet…

      • DUDe DUDe

        "Is this how it begins?
        By the labeling of other Humans as aliens?"

        Nah, or maybe yes..

        Mylady imHo..its just a political smart timed "projection" like move.."accuse your enemy of the crime you are commiting"..

        Since it is the zionist jew that is the prime candidate to have
        "relations" with some evil globe enslaving uberlord like annunaki or
        something since the beginning of bipedal apetime..if there is such a
        thing and relationship..because of the fascist apartheidstate zionist
        jew evil actions around the globe , globe shaping by both sides
        warprofiteering zionist bankers and hijacking USA to use as mercenary to enslave the globe and also to enslave USA itself and squeeze empty and especially when there is physical "contact" like with the Palestinians , the legal owners of the grounds the israhellars are insulting with their illegal existence and bloodshed..

        And all that while openly and totally shamelessly propagating the dogma that they even injected in our religion of divine jew superiority compared to every other human being on the planet that supposedly gives them the right to treat everybody like less then shit..the ultimate wet dream for a fascist narcism psychose suffering psychopath..gawd approved..

        According to many on "alternative" sites , that may be not readed by
        many of the average joe's , but it is certainly also on the radar of
        mossad/cia etc
        And it is now (the "free" world is sloooowly waking up/becoming…

        • DUDe DUDe

          And it is now (the "free" world is sloooowly waking up/becoming
          sensitive to the crimes of israhell and also USA combination , and the obvious patterns that reveal the true agenda) that the zionist hijacked USA government/racistpolicestate is wasting Goyim taxmoney on coocking up laws that make critic of israhell a crime..globally there is a move to classify anti-zionisme as the new "racist" antisemitisme..oh the poor zionist..our future cruel gawdblessed uberlord from hell..that will treat us all except maybe the corrupt ones as hated Palestinians..nothing but filth to serve their whatever deviant sadistic unstillable needs and appetites..

          What better day to anticipate and quickly plant the idea in the
          collective apeconsciouss that the rightfull owners of israhell aka the Palestinians..are the aliens..before a critical mass start reading up on the zionist and find those alternative thinking sites and the idea that the (falsely claimed) jew is the favorite of a evil alien race..and all of the world's suffering..and b l u e b e a m etc..

          That is actually more plausible IF (but that is not my debate) their is such a evil alien/humanity dynamic going on..

      • Really?

        https://youtu.be/jfh-YY465HA

        Don't click on that one whatever you do…

    • DUDe DUDe

      "According to Israel's deputy defense minister, the Palestinians might have landed from Mars …
      Deputy Defense Minister Eli Ben-Dahan doesn’t rule out the possibility that Palestinians arrived in the Jordan valley from Mars. He said so on Wednesday in response to an urgent parliamentary question from MK Dov Khenin (Joint List) about an army evacuation order delivered to residents of two Palestinian communities in the Jordan Valley on Thursday, November 9." https://www.haaretz.com//misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.823359

      Now that i think of it..the fact that they figured it could be helpfull to accuse the Palestinians of being alien..is probably PROOF that the zionist jew , the real culprit in the mess , is exactly that lolol..

  • DUDe DUDe

    And remember..once the ice in your drink is gone..the heating up goes much faster..again..

    Can somebody please rid this planet of every fucker that is keeping us hostage and immobilised against a meaningfull rational response against our collective omnicidal suicide..? 😡

    Venezuela is losing its last glacier

    Venezuela’s last glacier is about to disappear, making it the first country in modern history to lose all of its glaciers.

    Venezuela used to have five glaciers. Today, only one remains. The last glacier in Venezuela, the Humboldt glacier, is about to disappear.

    http://earthsky.org/earth/venezuela-losing-last-humbolt-glacier

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      We don't need no stinking glaciers or any stinking fish or any stinking wildlife!

      We have each other and are created in the image of God and therefor we have dominion over all that we see.

      The sooner we trash it all the sooner he shall return..trash it, trash it, trash it!

  • freebywill

    Officials Caught Forcing State Scientist to Alter Findings to Cover Up Earthquake Fracking Link http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officials-force-state-scientist-alter-findings-earthquake-fracking-link/

    [ excerpts, more at the link ]

    By John Vibes – November 19, 2017

    Due to an increased prevalence of seismic activity in the vicinity of fracking areas, many activists have pointed that this process may cause earthquakes as well. While environmentalists have been hoping to raise awareness about this problem for years, new testimony from one of the country’s top seismologists gives us a glimpse into why the scientific community has been largely silent about this issue.

    According to Austin Holland, the former lead seismologist for the state of Oklahoma, officials at the University of Oklahoma worked to actively cover up scientific findings that linked fracking to earthquakes.

    In a deposition last month, Holland stated that Larry Grillot, former dean of OU’s Mewbourne College of Earth and Energy, and Randy Keller, the former director of the Oklahoma Geological Survey pressured him to alter his findings to be more favorable to fracking companies.

    It was also reported this week that the EPA approved dangerous fracking chemicals even though previous studies had shown that they had a significant negative impact on living creatures and ecosystems.

    [ gov agencies coordinating policy to benefit profiteers ]

  • Jebus Jebus

    The commercial Dungeness crab season is delayed along the entire Oregon Coast until at least Dec. 16 after tests showed crabs are too low in meat yield.

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-dungeness-crab-fishing-opener-2017/

    Officials in Washington state say they’re delaying the start of Dungeness crab season by two weeks because of harmful algae

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/washington-dungeness-crab-season-2017-delay-algae-bloom/

    • Ya, its the algae, caused by the water (which is not warm anymore BTW), and not the fact that the bottom of the food chain has been wiped out and the crabs are starving.

      • "Ya, its the algae, caused by the water (which is not warm anymore BTW), and not the fact that the bottom of the food chain has been wiped out and the crabs are starving"

        Lead, cesium and strontium (right now at a all time peak in history) along with chemical spills and other aging and leaking problem are a problem for the Pacific…

        Anyone that tells ya different is tellin a lie..

        How about the PCB's that were washed out to sea to bake in the sun on a floating island of ground up houses, how about all them unreported chemical spills when that happened? Houses, cars and telephone poles washed out to sea?

        2011 Fukushima.

        https://youtu.be/5K6evRtpdAw

        Notice the water receded? If you see that RUN (don't just walk) away!!!!

  • razzz razzz

    'Report of Marines Invading CIA Headquarters'

    "… I have been working on this to actually confirm the veracity of this claim but not a single photo has even surfaced. The spin is they are there to prevent a CIA coup against Trump. That seems to be a bit far-fetched. If it is even true, it may be more to secure evidence for the prosecution of the Clintons.
    What is very interesting is to see how the Democrats are starting to run from the Clintons. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) has come out and said that Bill Clinton should have resigned the presidency after having a relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. With all the attacks to stop candidates using sexual harassment, many are starting to realize that Bill Clinton should have resigned and many are now running away from Hillary.
    The truth of these stories about troops landing at the CIA has not been confirmed. I will rely on my direct sources to confirm or deny these reports. I do not believe it is likely that this incident was to prevent a coup even if true."
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/report-of-marines-invading-cia-headquarters/

  • Taffycat, per your comment. Wonder if you read the story."…this is for stock and the others that think trump is draining the swamp…not that they will read it, or much less understand the implications of what this report brings to the fore…

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/11/18/under-gop-plan-wealthy-foreign-investors-benefit-nearly-three-times-more-us

    good night and good luck…"
    —————————————————–
    This has little do to with the "swamp" meaning corrupt politicians and appointees.

    A slanted view is that the tax plan would hand money to foreign agents.

    A balanced view is that lower corporate tax rates will disincentive the exporting of American businesses and jobs, and cause further investment in America, from abroad, including via the stock market.

    Those investing in American companies, including foreign people, will benefit from the the reduced taxes, and stronger american companies.

    Not so evil when you look at it like that.
    ——————————————————-

    As Seth Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, explained, "The reason that foreign investors are the biggest winners is that they own about 1/3 of the shares of U.S. corporations."

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      '… lower corporate tax rates will disincentive the exporting of American businesses and jobs,…'

      You actually think, in the most sincere recesses of you mind, that lowering the taxes on corporations will cause them to close their over seas manufacturing and create jobs in the U.S.?

      Your republican-think indoctrination is thick. Im going to tentatively blame this on your father…just guessing. I would have no hesitation at all betting my life that corporations wont cut exploitation just because they get a tax break.

      Btw, we dont want jobs. The jobs creation meme has been foisted on the public so long they dont even give it a second thought. They are angry they dont have slave jobs…thats how messed up it is.

      The truth is this; there has always been more than enough to do…there will never come a time when there isnt stuff to do. But the capitalist and Im calling it the global fascist state…is built on the foundation of low wage slave labor. This wont last, assuming civilization lasts.

      'Economist Branko Horvat stated: "… it is now well known that capitalist development leads to the concentration of capital, employment and power. It is somewhat less known that it leads to the almost complete destruction of economic freedom.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_capitalism

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        He has no clue what he sayith..we are living in the what he sayith..90% of the population is starving.

        Giving the top 10% more.. is stupid..it was stupid under Reagan..and it is stupid now!

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Can people read? Do they have a clue and really understand what these numbers really mean?

          Brain death is a contagion..

          According to statistical data from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), the top 1% had an adjusted gross income of $465,626 or higher for the 2014 tax year. The Washington Center for Equitable Growth put the average household income for this group at $1,260,508 for 2014.Sep 15, 2016
          How Much Income Puts You in the Top 1%, 5%, 10%? | Investopedia
          https://www.investopedia.com/news/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/

          • Agreed, we should do something to decrease the concentration of wealth at the top, it has become absurd. A one time "wealth tax assessment" comes to mind, for everyone with over $5M in net assets. Could be a variable percentage also.

            But to rail against lower tax rates is blind stupidity.

            justifiably, the discussion of national debt could come up, especially the usury to the big banks that are supplying the conjured up capital. However, I have recently come to the conclusion that the national debt will never be paid off, much less paid down. So we should get past that "worry".

            But we should also think on how not to steal from those who have saved, stealing via "inflation targeting" which is truly a "keep the slaves on the hamster wheel" policy.

        • Lower taxes are good, and in that bring smaller government, even better. Higher standard deduction is good, it helps the lower income people more than higher income people. It will also eliminate for me probably 3 days of record keeping, imagine having 3 more "free" days per year to do something good with your life rather than slaving away on paperwork.

          Worried about the no deduction for State and local tax though, that seems to weaken State rights, and increase Federal control, which is the opposite of returning to the constitution approach to government size, degree of control, and who controls.

          How people miss the most basic things, because they seems to go against the narrative of "your team" is just stupid, misguided, sheeple like. Shameful.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            You have no idea what you talk about! Period!

            I am paying $5000.00 per hour to a dental surgeon..is that going to change?

            The Republicans have been trying to destroy this country for awhile and I am thinking this time they will. 9-11 was the start for the final demise…

            • Funny how you still endorse the "my team" approach to politics. I know exactly what I speak of, and beyond that, I am correct.

              Your $5000 to dental surgeon is a completely different matter than what we speak of. The system is fucked up, but take some responsibility to deal with reality.

              For me, I have dental for next year. I will get annual checkup in January, and after that I will cancel the dental portion of my cleaning. My new dental coverage allows me to use a dentist that I know personally, and when i do for the cleaning, he will also accept a cash payment to remove 2 remaining mercury filling and replace with non mercury. $50 each, I think that is reasonable for the effort.

              Stop bitching and take effective action is what I am saying. Respect for the "system" I have lost all my respect. But does that stop me from being smart and working the system…for many it does, the disgust keeps them from being effective and strategic.

              911 was surely a turning point, or tipping point perhaps on the same path. If you think that was a dem or rep thing, I suggest you review, it is criminals of both "teams" that want to profit from war and use the destabilizing of the world to further their continued power. The globalist NWO type stuff play into this also, as well as the Ashkenzai power plays.

      • Code, disappointing that you sink so low.

        It should be beyond obvious that companies would want to set up in and do business in countries with low corporate tax rates.

        Then your straw man of "close oversee manufacturing" is noted. If they have large investment overseas, they won't immediately shutter them, of course not. My comment was to slow the export, not immediately reverse the export as you disingeniously portray.

        To think that people don't want jobs, don't want a way to make a living is just stupid. Of course they do.

        You hit the shit list today, especially then playing the "blame it on your father card"

        The Trump hater meme comes out, and plays itself in expected ways. Shameful.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          You must mean import..Corporate profits and taxes do not change wages paid in other countries.

          The only competition for those lower wages is..robots!

          Not American jobs!

          Chuckles! 🙂

          • Surely you didn't really miss the intent of my comment, which the context should have been very clear if you were paying any attention and not just reacting (very poor jedi)….I am discussing the decades of exporting of businesses and jobs to other countries.

            Please review this simple diagram on companies setup foreign divisions, which capture all the profit (transfer wealth from USA) and the USA portion of the company makes ZERO profit and thus pays zero taxes.

            https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n-Prlo1vPh0/WfaoeF4s1qI/AAAAAAAATnA/1dFG2Yuyv2wN4Jw2WnEwsWm3ZdHvyctGACLcBGAs/s400/carry%2Btrade.png

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Nothing will change..you have been hoodwinked and you have been lied to!

              You sir have always been lied to.. since the day you were born ..why in the hell would you think anyone is telling you the truth now?

              The country is a shit hole and now in debt to the tune of 200 trillion.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                And you want to give the robber barons more money..chuckles!

                You must be blind…a true Jedi would see the scam as the scam.. it really is.

                • We are talking about less tax, do you not see that as a good trend?

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    Less tax for whom…

                    You are sending the relief the wrong way.

                    People generate lots, more than enough, wealth for the top tier when they have more money to spend, not more money to earn.

                    I tends to get siphoned off, like a california aquifer, in trickle down mode…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      The American Nightmare.

                      Great Corporate Wealth.

                    • Well now we are looking at less tax for corporations including S-corps (pay through) and LLCs (pass through) and people, especially those making 60k or less, and even those up to say $100k.

                      Less tax = less the government can fuck up and spend inefficiently.

                      Agreed, concentration of wealth at the top is a real issue. I like a one time wealth assessment tax.

                      But I hear no one else even talking about a real solution to that, certainly none that would work.

                      Idiot millennials bleating for socialism and they have no idea what it means.

              • The truth is independent of what anyone tells me, although they may coincide.

                Do you think I form my opinion mostly or even hardly at all based on what "people tell me"

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  It appears so..so yes.

                  • Based upon what? My ability to critically think? To look at data?

                    To review the source documents and make assessments from those?

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    You like to flow within the piles..try floating/flying above all these piles/boxes.

                    Land on none of them..free your mind.

                    • Obe you have arrogantly stated in the past that your mind flies high above the others.

                      And then to criticize me, who see more clearly than probably 99.7%, its arrogant shameful. You just lash out and spout cynacism, saying that "it is all a scam"

                      It is not all a scam, how could that even be possible. There is plenty of beauty, trust, love, health, joy.

                      There are also a whole bunch of parasitic, sociopathic fuckers that be that have risen to the top of power structures and whistle pass our collective graveyard as they allow the planet to be poisoned.

                      But declaring it "all a scam" is a cop out. A deflection, a head in the sand approach. To effort to effect any real solution, no hope, no chance.

                      So I call bullshit on your method.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      I am thinking that in this thread I used the term bullshit.. not scam..and I asked you to float above the banter as you cling to this ancient Zeitgeist Matrix that has made you what and who you are now/today.

                      Good? 🙂

                      Most people are good and honest people, but that still does not mean that this entire Zeitgeist Matrix is not set up as a total scam.

                      Wrap your head around the depth of this ongoing scam..no God ..and now 8 people.. own more wealth.. than 1/2 the entire world's population.

                      When you realize the truth and the span and depth of this deceit I would recommend you take 2 rolls of toilet paper when you go #2.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      P.S…my mind does float above the others out here..this is not an arrogant statement at all..this is a fact.

                      It is the way one approaches and chooses to look at this world filled with a complex matrix built out of and on top of layers upon layers of boxes.

                      Call it a form of perception if you must…call it something.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            If you do not know where to look and/or what to read..you will believe the bullshit.. no matter whom throws it at you!

            Robots are taking more factory jobs than Mexico or China
            https://nypost.com/2016/11/02/robots-are-taking-more-factory-jobs-than-mexico-or-china/

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          stock, Im disappointing that you are disappointed I sink so low. Or rather, Im disappointed you have what could almost be called a knee jerk reaction rather than thoughtfully considering that my opinion may have value. I mean….what did I sink low about exactly?

          If your ideology didnt come from your father, I bet it came from your mother, or things you learned in school, talking to friends and watching TV. I give you a lot of credit actually for breaking free from some of those normalcy bias points. To go further requires that we suspend our belief systems and take a fresh look

          lets talk about jobs…better yet, lets make some signs and march the streets "WE WANT JOBS AT WALLMART" "WE WANT JOBS AT WALLMART"
          "WE WANT JOBS PUTTING GADGETS IN BOXES ALL DAY LONG AND WERE MAD AS HELL CORPORATIONS HAVE TO PAY TAXES AND THUS SHIP OUR GADGET PACKING JOBS TO MEXICO!!!" Jobs, we want jobs damnit!

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Because everybody is entrenched in normalcy bias, one of the big ones of which is the 'work ethic', Im going to discuss this jobs problem.

            The problem is that we were told a good man works an honest day for honest pay. A good man, a good man…a….

            Thats not true, so get over it. Work is NOT, repeat NOT equal to income. I know people who worked themselves to the bone and they have almost nothing but a broken body or mind to show for it. I read that more than half of Americans (57 percent) have less than $1,000 in their savings accounts. Before you even go there, let me say this is NOT because they cant manage a budget.

            The person who has 'saved' five million bucks? Do you really think he 'EARNED' it? There is no job on the planet where you can equitably earn that kind of money. Not trucking, not nursing, not construction, not solar, not politics. The only way to do that is to skim the money off other peoples work or find a way to exploit a natural resource. I know…bias makes it hard to believe that

            Does Work=income=value? No! That is precisely why we dont want jobs. We want to have the greatest free time possible. Let me make an example;

            look at this map of the most common job in each state;
            https://www.marketwatch.com/story/keep-on-truckin-in-a-majority-of-states-its-the-most-popular-job-2015-02-09

            Truck driving! Thats what mankind always dreamed of doing, were MAD as hell we dont have more truck driving jobs so we can can earn an honest…

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              we know that automatic driving is JUST AROUND THE CORNER! No doubt Amazon will get their drone delivery and trucks will be automatic. So just think for a second. Is that a loss of VALUE? No! You could give all those truck drivers the same amount of money (almost), and they could go surfing and the world would be no worse off for it. (except the beaches).

              Grasp that…automation, industry, robotics, efficiency in manufacture…all of that is supposed to REDUCE the need for work. And it can. But the capitalists at the helm dont want you to know that…they dont want you to think you can just work 2 or 3 hours a day and have a better quality of life.

              That rhetoric in the political arena about jobs creation is SO transparent. I find it disgusting. If they were noble people they would instead be saying we are going to create more free time so people can be creative, get education in things that really interest them, send the value of automation on to the public and get back to basics. Creativity, farming, shelter and renewable resources.

              Dont forget; the rest of the animal kingdom survived for millions of years without earning a single dollar or being a slave laborer to a boss or corporate entity. That means…its also possible for the most advanced animal on the planet, isnt that right?

          • Sinking low, you touched on just one point, and then the audacity to pyscho-analyze based on nuture.
            ——————————
            '… lower corporate tax rates will disincentive the exporting of American businesses and jobs,…'

            You actually think, in the most sincere recesses of you mind, that lowering the taxes on corporations will cause them to close their over seas manufacturing and create jobs in the U.S.?

            Your republican-think indoctrination is thick. Im going to tentatively blame this on your father…just guessing. I would have no hesitation at all betting my life that corporations wont cut exploitation just because they get a tax break.

            Btw, we dont want jobs. The jobs creation meme has been foisted on the public so long they dont even give it a second thought. They are angry they dont have slave jobs…thats how messed up it is.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              OK, I threw out the guess you got your ideology from a young age from your father. It was sort of meant to say we all get indoctrinated into an ideology…we cant help it.

              You can think for yourself, I am not saying that. But OK, tell me, where did you first get your strong focus on the republican stance, the importance of the constitution and the work ethic? Its certainly not a universal set of ideas…its very 'American'

              Growing up, did you know anyone who was very 'American' who might have influenced your thinking? The ideas you now take for granted? Is that really 'sinking low' for me to point this out? Because….I dont think so. But, perhaps Im simply insensitive

              • I do not deny some nurture, but I lived my life the opposite of the police, military, I was anti-gov, anti-law, a real rebel.

                I did not even know what left/right liberal/conservative meant until like 4 years ago. Was of no concern to me.

                I professed my true values to my brother, who said…so you are a libertarian, which I looked up, and yes I matched it 90%.

                The constitution and amendments (including the first 10, the bill of Rights) is one of the most awesome documents ever created. Executed without corruption it would be great. I discovered it myself, probably 12 years ago, by reading it.

                I understand the great evil that America has done, and is capable of. But I understand the basic law, and the thing called free enterprise that allows one to make their lot in life better by their own effort. It has mostly worked for me.

                I am not Republican, but mesh with many ideas, certainly not their stand on abortion.

                I am more "my own man" than anyone else I met. Although, I would have said that 10 years ago, before I learned the most important things in life, mostly thanks to really good people willing to take risks and not give a fuck what other people think or say as they walk towards the fire.

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Tirade ahead, since I'm not buying it (not referring to what you said).

            Luckily Elon Musk will sell Walmart about 15 brand spanking new (obviously not just yet) trucks, this will save the environment and should be great incentive for people yearning to go with the stenchy cult.

            Nevermind the lithium battery and solar panel factories, the resources used, the extra facilities, the mining, the subsidies, the government involvement, the military involvement, the hype, the overvalued stock, the attempted monopolization etc.

            Just imagine other corporations can also use lithium. Imagine that solar and lithium batteries aren't always practical. Just imagine what happens when lithium batteries are no longer the best option.

            Hmm, for some reason I am now interested in looking at Tesla and lithium mining relations.

            I also noticed some interesting language with associated cultists. I have visions too, you know.

  • Jebus Jebus

    I'm just listening but I still hear no crickets, no words of sustainability, resource depletion, chemical and nuclear waste solutions, diversity loss, environmental cleanup or concerns.

    All of these concerns are irrelevant. The is no profit there.

    That world is make believe. Make believe. Make believe.

    I do not hear Earth. I only hear profit margins, jobs, tax cuts, health cuts, inflation, and assault.

    It ain't gonna work.

    I do not understand the human disconnect from our physical world.

    While standing on it…

    • I will throw 50% of the blame of everything onto the Jew owned media, maybe more. Throw in the Jew owned Entertainment industry.

      But if you are paying attention, and I don't have the answer yet, why has Weinstein been thrown under the bus AT THIS TIME. Yes he is a pig of a man, but why now?

      Part is to divide men and women, create anger everywhere. Sheesh make things so tense that men and women hardly even have sex anymore. An office flirtation could result in character defamation, loss of your job, loss of your highly debted house….

      But there is more to the story, figuring it out can help create a mitigating strategy.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Men have been pigs since the very beginning..religious..not religious..makes no difference..men are pigs.

        Women by now.. should understand it..but then.. most are pretty gullible.

        Has to do with breeding and that nesting thing…men have no clue what that crap means.

        • You obviously never watched the "Eagle cam", male and female working and guarding so diligently to ensure the success of their offspring.

          There is little difference in the self centeredness of males and females, although females do have more of the nuture hardwired into them. Men are pretty much forced to the the "moving party" the aggressors, but that is a separate matter from being pigs.

          Plenty of blame and guilt to go around, no need to concentrate it in one area.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Never said we would not protect our women or our offspring.

            • Pretty clearly the intent of your statement

              "Has to do with breeding and that nesting thing…men have no clue what that crap means."

              Otherwise, please explain what you meant. Very popular to jump on the men bashing meme, and by doing so, you fall into the "divide everyone" meme which leads to further centralized control at the top, even NWO, at least they think so.

              But by pushing it so far, maybe too far, a huge backlash may occur, in fact our only hope it seems.

              • Jebus Jebus

                Do you have children stock?

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    lol! sigh.

                    Because that's the point I believe you have no way of realizing till you do…

                    • People believe that other people cannot imagine what a situation is like unless you have lived it exactly yourself. That is an arrogance, a self-deception of sorts.

                      But explain clearly what you mean by "thats the point" what exactly are you saying?

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      For me, you just did very clearly…

                      Reach for the ring above all else.

                      Nothing else matters but income, consumption, and war.

                      If we can't profit from it, it doesn't happen.

                      Fuck healthcare. Get to work.

                      We got a tax break so your in overtime.

                      Like the prices at my supermarket will go down.

                      Rising like my work schedule. It's great, but my rent just went up.

                      Please donate to the next corporate disaster victims relief fund.

                      I'll be in a van down by the river…

                    • Your reply makes no sense to me in relation to the question i asked, please clarify.

                      —————————-
                      You may understand some point you try to make, but please just state it clearly. Unclarity does neither party well, unless your intent is to deceive or simply discredit.

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "People believe that other people cannot imagine what a situation is like unless you have lived it exactly yourself. That is an arrogance, a self-deception of sorts."

                      Nope , its not..the disconnectedness of the elite towards the useless eaters should have prevented you to say such a thing..

                      And compare all shitty therapist's learned by books only with those worth their salt and you will find a pattern there too..GUARANTEED

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    No, there is still more to your confusion and as everyone has their own resources to convey opinions to one another, maybe you just don't see my angle, so what now.

                    Maybe you should read back through this page and try summarizing what multiple people have tried to convey to you about corporate tax relief coupled with/to very large program cuts.

                    I'd say it's basicaly very bad timing for the average american.

                    It's not great…

                    • Bullshit, if you cannot clearly explain your angle, then I also shall not let a unclear response be represented ans anything less than bullshit.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      That is your arbitrary perception…

                    • Not at all. I am stating that unless you can explain yourself clearly, without ambiguity, then I am calling your content bullshit.

                      You may have meaning, it may even be correct, but by refuses to state something clearly, it is suspect out of the gate.

                      like when someone challenges your argument and you run out of responses that can be true.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Six individuals have conveyed to you above the same result of corporate tax relief upon millions of americans losing social programs, boosting the MIC, reducing Earth sciences, (because all science is suspect), so that profit margins can be greater for the few…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      I am starting to understand.. who the true bullshitter is here gracing these pages..very sad.

                    • obe, that is a non argument, non-response.

                      I have a lengthy response to Jebus below. Not willing to pull punches. LOL

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      You are a powerful Jedi! 🙂

      You see it clearly..others only watch Fox news!

      I like their women too! 🙂

      • Jebus Jebus

        It's because I like fishin'

        This guy is paid to pay attention.

        https://berniesanders.com/issues/income-and-wealth-inequality/

        I wish all my forced taxes to his paycheck…

        • Bernie has some good points, but also some really stupid ones, he is a full on socialist, large government giving away stuff to special groups. College for everyone, and "free" is effing stupid. Free trade schools would be a starter for me.

          Fixing the education system, fixing the health care system, would be a starter for me.
          —-
          Demanding that the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share in taxes. Corporations must stop shifting their profits and jobs overseas to avoid paying U.S. income taxes. There must be a progressive estate tax on the top 0.3 percent of Americans who inherit more than $3.5 million. We must also enact a tax on Wall Street speculators who caused millions of Americans to lose their jobs, homes, and life savings.

          Increasing the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour by 2020. In the year 2015, no one who works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty.

          Putting at least 13 million Americans to work by investing $1 trillion over five years towards rebuilding our crumbling roads, bridges, railways, airports, public transit systems, ports, dams, wastewater plants, and other infrastructure needs.

          Reversing trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA, and PNTR with China that have driven down wages and caused the loss of millions of jobs. If corporate America wants us to buy their products they need to manufacture those products in this country, not in China or other low-wage countries.

          • The government spends money at about 70% to 80% of the efficiency rate that a citizen would.

            Giving the government more to do just decreases our overall prosperity. Its the wrong direction. Fix healthcare dammit! USA pays 400% more than other developed countries and get shittier results.

            The system sucks, don't reward that system by making it mandatory or by making it "free" for everyone. Shameful

            ———————————————
            Guaranteeing healthcare as a right of citizenship by enacting a Medicare for all single-payer healthcare system. It’s time for the U.S. to join every major industrialized country on earth and provide universal healthcare to all.

    • The EPA testing comments of "we will now test for lower level of beta, and then test those by gamma spec" makes no fucking sense in relation to their next statement that "we are testing every sample by gamma spec"

      Shameful

      And then as you note, they have ZERO results on their website, even though they state "nothing was detected over normal"

  • DUD, responding to stock sayeth—-
    People believe that other people cannot imagine what a situation is like unless you have lived it exactly yourself. That is an arrogance, a self-deception of sorts."

    Nope , its not..the disconnectedness of the elite towards the useless eaters should have prevented you to say such a thing..

    And compare all shitty therapist's learned by books only with those worth their salt and you will find a pattern there too..GUARANTEED
    ———————————-

    LOL never had a "therapist". WTF do you even mean? I understand the arrogance of the so called elite, but they don't think they understand the little people. They just don't think they that even have to understand the little people,they are "just better". you said

    the disconnectedness of the elite towards the useless eaters should have prevented you to say such a thing..

    ——————————————–
    My topic is different and specific. One can understand another's situation or lot in life without having the exact same situation or lot in life. Not always and not perfectly, but often and sometimes very accurately.

    • DUDe DUDe

      I really hate it when people break up discussions they participate in , in too fragments all over the place..afraid to get stuck in visible contradictions or what ? It sure is not a tactic often seen by truthseekers..disingenuous and all that..stock


      "One can understand another's situation or lot in life without having the exact same situation or lot in life. Not always and not perfectly, but often and sometimes very accurately."

      "LOL never had a "therapist". WTF do you even mean?"

      LOL indeed..

      Whats the matter ? Can't understand without explanation or experience the difference between a "significant person of ultimate trust" that has memorized for a diploma the names of psychological dynamics and variables and supposed approaches or one that has done the same + has batted its own demons and gained much greater then average selfknowledge and all the pitfalls/defencemechanics one encounters in doing so..
      Selfknowledge is the beginning of all wisdom..
      —–

      "One can understand another's situation or lot in life without having the exact same situation or lot in life. Not always and not perfectly, but often and sometimes very accurately."

      Sure , its called empathy..but unless you are also claiming everybody comes with a truckload on top of a sufficient basic minimum of it..and of such fine quality you don't need experience at all

      It vary an Wont do for many situations where it HAS to be accurate or very close..like in power/dependency…

      • DUDe DUDe

        It vary an Wont do for many situations where it HAS to be accurate or very close..like in power/dependency relations…since that where i ranted about first and i think you are somewhat responding to..

      • Sheesh, bro, and indented conversation is much better than a "long line" have some empathy for us "want to see it indented" types.

        that's funny by the way.

        • DUDe DUDe

          Hiding ones trail is hiding where your coming from..stop making it sound innocent..

          • DUDe DUDe

            And as much as i want to stay and participate , i have to quit for today and attent some other neccesary activities before bed..

            Night ENE..

          • Bullshit, 95% of people will see the benefit, and to go to source so to speak is a simple matter of cntrl-f (search any webpage) and search for a unique word to quickly take you there.

            I am improving the conversion from the limits of wordpress.

            Sheesh!

            those super long threads where you cant see who is saying what to whom is awful.

            Clarity is power, truth benefits the recipient.

          • Fuck you, I have no "trail" to hide.

            My argument is plain and simple, all of them. All can be contested, but no one does in general, just false arguments and such.

            Or appeals to authority, or appeals to "numbers"

            • DUDe DUDe

              LOL , i was just writing this somewhere else untill i realized it might as well be here..then i see you responding

              "stock , i have always had great respect for you as an antinuke-warrior..that's unchanged..but on other subject's of great importance in the whole..i sense i alway's run in to the wall of human sub-bubble thinking + rightwing..or the wall runs at me lol"

              "Fuck you, I have no "trail" to hide."

              I'm not saying you do..i'm saying that's the effect of your way's..and since its a deliberate choice..fill the rest in yourself..sheesh

  • JEbus sayeth
    Jebus
    November 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    Six individuals have conveyed to you above the same result of corporate tax relief upon millions of americans losing social programs, boosting the MIC, reducing Earth sciences, (because all science is suspect), so that profit margins can be greater for the few…
    ———————–
    Actually, I dont recall a single one of those "points" being made in response to my comments. And please show how said corporate tax rate reduction inevitable and directly leads to any of those.

    Depending on what "social programs" you mean, I may very well be for reduction or restructuring of some of those, such as welfare (requirement to work if you can work, at all). Scientists at EPA, NOAA, CDC are mostly disgraceful now. Many just need to be booted, their thinking is so corrupted now, they cannot likely be brought back to normalcy.

    There was some bullshit floated, about how "Trumps EPA or NOAA something" was eliminating earth climate satelites, and that was bullshit, which I posted a link which showed the opposite.

    Is that what you are alluding too? You allude to a lot….thats leaves it open ended, that make a response difficult and cumbersome as this one is.

    Throwing a bunch of shit against the wall is what I call it. its slopply and weak.

    • Somehow, if there were 6 individuals….does that somehow help the argument, like those 97% of climate scientists….which was also a lie out of the gate, by the way.

      • Jebus Jebus

        This:

        "Any magazine with "science" in it's name has become greatly suspect in the last decade. Seriously."

        Invalidates you and your website completely in my book…

        • Jebus Jebus

          And here's why.

          Warning letter to humanity on climate change signed by 16,000 scientists

          https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2017/11/15/Warning-letter-to-humanity-on-climate-change-signed-by-16000-scientists/6611510755106/

          It's the second warning…

        • Uh, Nukepro does not have science in the name.

          • Jebus Jebus

            stock, I too value your input as relevent.

            Your effort is continuous.

            I believe you mostly point the in right direction.

            The racist poll saddened me though.

            And I do not remember myself ever advocating that people leave what I believe is a pretty good place to communicate openly.

            Everybody makes different decisions. Everybody has different opinions.

            I think melding that somehow is imperitive for the planet…

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              if races and cultures arent different, then how come they are different? "all are equal" is a wonderful egalitarian sentiment. But they didnt include the rest of the species! Moreover, people dont believe that rats are equal to men or even that neanderthal or boskop man with their larger brains are equal to modern humans.

              So its fair to say modern man doesnt have a grasp on the equality issue. The mashup is this; not all races and cultures are equal. Check the color of your favorite basketball team for further proof

          • Then stop the false argument attacks.

            The "racist" poll is a poll that I did, the response is what you don't like, and what I was surprised at. Besides, a religious poll is not a "racist" poll.

            You should be ashamed for the meme to call anything racist, that you don't agree with.

            BTW, I have read a lot of Quran, how much have you read?

            My advocation to boycott ENE for a span improved the place. No harm, no foul. Improvement should be congratulated, not bitched at.

            • Jebus Jebus

              Ya, that racist opinion poll was scientific.

              IMHO, the attempt at being a pied piper only harmed your credibility. Something that seems very important.

              So, I reject your projection and allow you to read the previous post again…

              • How much Quran have you read?

                Indeed, I am willing to "harm my credibility" at the risk of presenting real opinions and real data to people.

                I am less concerned about what some might perceive as "my credibility" then getting real information of real importance to those who may do something useful with it.

                Definitely the NWO, Ashkenazi, and questioning the benefit of 1.4% of the USA so called "religion" or cult that is highly associated with terrorism against me and my people…. yes those are contentious issues.

                Issues that few speak up against. Billions are spent every year to push those issues that are against the good of the people.

                I rail against it, and will continue, but perhaps not here. Unless the bigger problems get solved, the 2nd layer problems like nuclear energy and waste will not get solved.

                stock out

                • q Farthington MacMananus

                  Slavery through money/economics is the most common terror.

                  Please don't tell me you generalize to the extent of consider all Muslims as fucktards. Because that is kinda what you are suggesting.

                  • 95% of Muslims, 95% of Jews, 95% of Christians, 95% of Atheists are good people. But read the Quran, I have most of it, as well as the teachings of Buddha, and the KJV Bible.

                    The Muslim religion is at complete odds with all other religions, even atheist. Example As a married atheist or Christian, the Quran tells the men that are believers, that they can take your wife, and be in total harmony with Islam, because unless the man is a "believer" the marriage is fake.

                    You OK with them apples? And that is just the tip of the iceberg, it gets worse with it being totally OK to rape your step daughter as long as she is not your blood. Regardless of age. If she is not old enough to be "suitable" for intercourse, the man can "enjoy" her in other ways.

                    Seriously. You need to read it and research it. 2000 crusades by Islam, 2 by Christianity.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I understand stock, but there are very similar sentiments in other "belief" systems too, including atheism, christianity, judaism, corporatism, technocracy, whatever.

                      You still have to choose how you interpret that and act on it. I cannot even interpret a math handbook strictly (and I mean this quite honestly).

                      It goes beyond just abrahamic religion, for instance most of society (maybe not so much these days) is indoctrinated into believing that vaccination is good or necessary, that you need to follow specific "economic" standards ,that you need minimum wage, shit like that.

                      And whenever someone, especially when the appeal for "progress" is based on money tries to convince me of something, I kinda reject it now.

                      A heavy set "lightworker" I once talked to and bought something from (a moonstone) appealed to me that she needed money to be able to help people and proceeded to waste my time and trying to tell me that I should shave my beard, cut my hair, etc.

                      See how that works?

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      These people are bat~shit crazy..I feel very sorry for their ordeal and/but who goes on a hike in a backwards country that is in the middle of a war started by the U.S.? No one!

                      Strong in their faith? Pure utter bullshit!

                      Hostages speak out about being gang-raped in captivity, how their faith stayed strong and how they were beaten protecting their children from Haqqani network guards

                      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5100245/Haqqani-hostage-couple-speaks-out.html#ixzz4yz8NU0DT
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                      Very Naive..
                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/14/what-were-caitlan-coleman-and-joshua-boyle-doing-afghanistan/764516001/

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Doesnt it seem self evident that if there are less taxes paid by wealthy corporations and if no extra tax is levied on the public that cuts in social programs will have to be made? I dont know, maybe the fed can just print money forever! Especially now if we are thinking we never have to pay back the debt.

          This is my thought on the matter; the richest people and the corporations who accumulated the most cash didnt "earn" it…in reality they managed to accumulate the value, the resources, the work value of the public. It is exactly those accumulators that should return this value back to the system of civilization.

          Think of the body as representing society. There are huge veins that carry the blood to the heart. This is sent to the lungs which are one of the most blood rich organs. That would be like the rich. Now all of that blood must be returned to the rest of the body. You cant say, lets have that elite lung retain a bunch of blood.

          The idea that 'those lazy bastards just need to work' is based on the outdated and false theme of the work ethic. The System is actually depriving 80% of the public of the value of their labor and the bounty of nature.

          A third of cash is held by 5 U.S. companies
          https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-5-us-companies/84640704/

          US companies are hoarding $2.5 trillion in cash overseas
          https://www.cnbc

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            And if you had to guess in terms of unfunded derivatives (which devalues not only normal cash for citizens)?

            "Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015"

            I don't find this to be quite true, either, because much of the "value" there is basically unfounded.

            Apple's value is almost directly related to resources and chinese manufacturing (though only as a small percentage), yet it's perceived value mostly derived from what I can only describe as cultist mentality.

            Similarly for Microsoft.

            What exactly does Cisco do, sell routers?

            Oracle is even worse.

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              "Apple's value is almost directly related to resources and chinese manufacturing (though only as a small percentage)"

              With that I mean, only a small percentage of that value is attributed to resources and chinese manufacturing.

              It is quite literally an example of derivation and leveraging, in a more straightforward sense.

          • Well they can literally just print money.

            More business in USA that is not "extracting profits without tax" via this simple scheme would mean, more money in USA, more jobs and production, more tax revenue.

            high taxes 35% encourages this
            http://www.nukepro.net/2017/10/simple-3-step-process-on-how.html

            Lower taxes…..

            Good chance it works, plus restore the rule of law so you don't get screwed out of the fruits of your labor….better future!

  • freebywill

    “Economic Prosperity” Is Priority Over Climate Mitigation, Says Trump Aid http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2017/11/economic-prosperity-is-priority-over-climate-mitigation-says-trump-aid/

    by Isiah Holmes • November 18, 2017

    Recently, Trump Administration representatives attended UN climate talks in Bronn, Germany.

    Perhaps this won’t surprise some readers, but they were all also affiliated with the fossil fuel industry.

    In pushing the importance of their industry’s survival, they hinted to background power balances pulling strings.

    “This panel is only controversial if we choose to bury our heads in the sand and ignore the realities of a global energy system.”

    Those words came from David Banks’ mouth, special energy assistant to US President Donald Trump.

    Banks, with other coal and gas representatives, promoted their industry as having a central place in humanity’s energy future.

    The entire meeting, in fact, was a soapbox for the fossil fuel lobby to secure it’s economic foothold worldwide.

    “I don’t think it’s any surprise that economic prosperity is a higher priority”, Banks continued before the UN panel,

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