FORUM: Post Your Radiation Monitoring Data Here

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  • califnative califnative

    Rad reading during heavy rain yesterday, Oct 8th on Radex1212 (microsieverts) uSv/hr, Tucson AZ with background. Thanks to Majia's Blog, she explains the difference between CPM and Sieverts. A few conversion links below help understand the complexity of measuring radiation which I still don't understand. These are the highest readings I've seen to date:

    5 min 08.10.2014 08:59 0.11
    5 min 08.10.2014 13:32 0.16
    5 min 08.10.2014 13:37 0.17
    5 min 08.10.2014 13:42 0.14
    5 min 08.10.2014 13:47 0.14
    5 min 08.10.2014 13:52 0.15

    Converting CPM to MicroSieverts
    There is no direct equation because beta CPM (counts per minute) is an electron count and (micro and milli) sieverts is an account of bodily damage. EPA guideline dictating an intervention level at 300 CPM or 10 microsieverts an hour. So, let us for a moment presume that the two are roughly equivalent in a hypothetical scenario that allows us to speculate on the health implications of our current levels of exposure. If that were the case, exposure to 700 CPM would be roughly 23 microsieverts an hour. That would mean that we in Phoenix yesterday would have hypothetically received 552 microsieverts in a 24 hour period. In 18 days at 700 CPM we would be at approximately 10 millisieverts of exposure (there are 1000 microsieverts in 1 millisievert) just from exposure to air alone.

    http://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/measure.htm#Conversion
    http://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-equivalentdose-from-µSv-to-rem.html


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  • It would be nice if those "problems" didn't appear when I had something of moment to put out, which is when these problems seem to show up. I remain sceptical.


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  • Testing –to see if I can post normally again.


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  • Virgin wetsuit vs 4 year old wetsuit radation readings

    My 4 year old wetsuit has a CPM radiation reading of 76.

    A brand new wetsuit – never in the water – 32 CPM.

    Still, both numbers are much higher than pre Fukushima, which was 7 CPM.

    Readings taken with Inspector Plus, pancake geiger counter. Pacific Ocean, Ventura County beaches.


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  • califnative califnative

    What is happening in San Diego, CA? 625 CPM!
    http://www.netc.com/
    Station ID 4:915 San Diego, CA, US
    CPM: current 625 Low 4 High 625
    Average 66, Deviation 81.8
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-10-10 11:52:00

    And Fresno, CA 470 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:920 Fresno, CA, US
    CPM: current 470 Low 17 High 498
    Average 121, Deviation 94.9
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-10-09 16:30:00 GMT+0000

    http://www.enviroreporter.com/radnet-air-monitoring/california/


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  • Sickputer

    I saw in the old 2013 thread that vital1 (Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!) has been compiling radiation air averages for years. The latest charts from On the Beach are here:

    http://sccc.org.au/archives/2630

    SP: So the levels havd stabilized a bit in Australia compared with 2011-2012 readings. Good for you guys and gals! I am guessing it is because the aerial emissions have slowed at Daiichi so you are getting less equator bleedover from the lower latitude wind currents. Daiichi has slowed because so much already burned in 2011-2012 and then they either finally got the buildings water cooled or perhaps the ex-building big coria chunks are farther down in the ground (maybe slid under the ocean lagoon in the mudstone fissures. In going deeper the coria are now emitting a smaller amount of air emissions into the wind currents.

    Unfortunately the reduction in air releases has been accompanied by an enormous jump in radioactive water releases from the entire island. Cooling efforts and rainfall are the reason this Pacific Ocean pollution event is now the worst element in the continuing disaster. Possibly keeping workers from achieving objectives totally in some parts of island (No Man Zones).

    If those zones expand the entire island could become impossible to continue "decommission" efforts. It has obviously not been a decommission project at Fukushima Daiichi. It has been a war against a radiation enemy that so far has proven a very tough adversary.


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  • freebywill

    High counts in Phoenix today . . . . .

    481 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:956 Phoenix, AZ, US
    Click here for data charts
    CPM: current 481 Low 11 High 481
    Average 76, Deviation 61.4
    (CPM of Beta particles)

    Last updated: 2014-10-14 09:46:00


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  • Southern Hemisphere September 2014 UV and Background Radiation Report.

    Station location
    http://sccc.org.au/monitoring/Australian-Map.jpg

    This short animation of Northern, and Southern Hemisphere air circulation, shows why we can get detections so far south.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh011eAYjAA

    Summary

    September's 2014 monthly average background radiation level was the lowest September monthly average since pre-Fukushima, at 6% above the pre-Fukushima September average. It was 7% below 2012 and 9% below 2013 monthly averages. This September saw a longer period of Southern Ocean air flows than previous years. Over the last few months, a number of low pressure systems have been siting between Australia and new Zealand, pumping cleaner Southern Ocean air up along our east coast.

    Besides background levels of Ionizing radiation, it is now also important to closely watch UV levels, in both the Northern and Southern Hemisphere in spring and summer. Here, this week in early spring, we are already into extreme UV levels. During these events it is important to put in place protective UV Radiation measures.

    http://sccc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Extreme-UV-October-2014.jpg

    Technical details:

    (Note: The 4yr average referred to in the charts, is the 4yr pre-Fukushima average.)


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  • If you are new here, this radio interview is a good overall summary on the present situation at Fukushima.

    http://www.greenplanetfm.com/members/greenradio/blog/VIEW/00000001/00000261/Peter-Daley-Australian-Whistleblower-on-the-Fukushima-Radiation-Crises–Survival.html

    These free resources will help you get up to speed, on subjects covered in this forum.

    International list of Radiation monitoring stations.

    http://sccc.org.au/international-radiation-monitoring-stations

    "The Food Lab", has a list of the latest international reports of radioactive food contamination,

    http://sccc.org.au/archives/2861

    Free Geiger counter Guide

    http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Using-a-Geiger-Counter-to-test-food-for-Radioactive-Contamination.pdf

    It may now a good idea to also monitor local UV levels, in spring and summer.

    Why? Read this.

    http://www.sccc.org.au/extreme-uv-levels-in-summer


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  • * I've raised the below issue with several who would reasonably be "go to" people –here as well as in and out of the radiation industry. Only one group didn't respond, but after initial back-and-forths, no more from most of them. (Perhaps some were concerned about my posting what I learn to a wider discussion.)

    Should anyone reading this have good information or direct experience with the matter –and isn't afraid of being quoted (there's always your nom-de-Net for anonymity), please respond here.

    * The issue: just what is it that we're monitoring/counting(?) –especially when our Geiger counters are idling along at sea level background levels (which is nearly all of the time at my station).

    * Read the specs on your Geiger counter and/or its G-M tube –to find what I'm calling a "noise figure", and what the manufacturers variously call "self", "inherent", "own", or maximum shielded "background" CPM (50mm of lead plus 3.18mm of aluminum in LND's case). Those numbers are very high (30cpm for the LND-7317) –so high as to make the monitoring of background levels (at about 35cpm here) seem a meaningless undertaking.

    I hasten to add: the actual noise figures are usually (IMHO) much lower. However: they should be specifically established for each Geiger counter, subtracted, or at least cited (I see no need to get complicated about it) –and not just reported along with whatever else –as so many indicated uR/hr/uSv/hr or averaged CPMs.

    –more


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    • * The 7317 in my Medcom Inspector went flat long ago, so I replaced it with an SBM-20 (which requires careful work and a few extra components). The normal averaged CPM here near the coast of Oregon is currently 14.82cpm (versus about 34.6cpm with the old 7317 tube, and about 16cpm with the optimized SBM-20 in my Radex-1503).

      * I ran my retrofitted Inspector while packed in 40 pounds of lead shot for about 2 weeks, which brought the CPMs down to 11.12cpm –and not much wiggle.

      * Interestingly, I twice lowered that Geiger counter to a depth of 2 meters in our bay (inside of a 30 caliber ammunition box), getting 7.1cpm and 7.25cpm.

      Nice! –and lower deeper? –because:

      * An earlier test at 1 meter produced 8.3cpm –which also implies that the "noise" has something to do with radiation from above.

      * These tests need to be done again in much deeper water, such that getting significantly closer to the bottom is not a factor.

      ** Placing the Geiger counter on the dock (still beta shielded in the ammo box) gave me a near normal "background" reading –

      Which implies that half or more of the "background" is from above –since it surely wasn't coming up from below.

      * However: I have a good opinion that, while muons are raining down upon us at the rate of about 1 per square centimeter per minute (which would be 20cpm or so for the cross-section of a 7317 pancake tube), they detect poorly and never amount to more than an average of 10% of the count.


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  • Morellio

    Taken October 9th at around 11am in Fremont, CA. Just a simple running air filter with a decent pancake GC a centimeter or so in front of it. The increase started September 10th and continues to peak at 500-600cpm.

    http://i.imgur.com/y8aKEjj.jpg


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    • Morellie, what would your normal background be in CPM?


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      • Morellio

        Background for a few months previous was around 90 CPM. If I turn the filter off it will fall down to about that level after 8-10 hours.

        This is located in my house near the front door.


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        • "If I turn the filter off it will fall down to about that level after 8-10 hours."

          This suggests a detection of Radon daughter decay isotopes, because it decays to normal in a few hours. We saw numerous worldwide reports off very large Radon daughter detections after Fukushima. Even though Radon can be naturally occurring in the environment these reports suggested a new source.

          One theory put forward was that molten corium ground venting, plus all the nano sized aersoled Uranium created by the Fukushima nuclear disaster site, was releasing large amounts of Radon into the atmosphere.

          It would be important to try and establish if the Radon accumulation is an issue in your building, or is it from some other source. If it is an issue in your building you may have to look at extra building venting strategies. Radon accumulation in an enclosed area can be a serious health concern.

          Here is information on Radon,

          http://sccc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Radon_Info_ENG.pdf

          This live Radon monitor has been set up to establish if Radon, or other Alpha emitting radioactive isotopes are significantly affecting local background radiation levels at the Caloundra Central monitoring station.

          http://sccc.org.au/monitoring/sunshinecoast-monitoring-station.html

          There could also be other radioactive isotopes caught in the filter in trace amounts, that the Geiger counter can't detect.


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        • Bungalow Phil

          Morellio,
          There are methods for excluding emissions from the GC. Example, paper, foil, aluminum plate about 2mm thickness. These are used to define the strength and penetrating power of certain particle emissions. I see that you may be using a carbon type filter. I believe these absorb gasses and as such could be collecting radon emissions. These decay rather quickly a few days or so if I'm not mistaken. It does emit alpha particles (electrons as well)which as you have demonstrated by cm proximity of your GC. (If it does detect that type I'm unsure). Also, as in Bakersfield or Fresno there are a lot of gas production facilities which I would assume discharge into the atmosphere. Good info on Radon can be found at the following link:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon

          222Rn, 3.8 days, alpha decaying to…
          218Po, 3.10 minutes, alpha decaying to…
          214Pb, 26.8 minutes, beta decaying to…
          214Bi, 19.9 minutes, beta decaying to…
          214Po, 0.1643 ms, alpha decaying to…
          210Pb, which has a much longer half-life of 22.3 years, beta decaying to…
          210Bi, 5.013 days, beta decaying to…
          210Po, 138.376 days, alpha decaying to…
          206Pb, stable.

          In any case monitoring and testing for radon would be the best exclusionary procedure for what you are encountering. Keep this forum posted if possible. Any information you post is helpful. Thanks.


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          • Morellio

            So I actually did do this to get a rough idea what was going on. Using a piece of paper the GC dropped maybe 30 CPM over 5 minutes, not very much of a difference. I used a CD to try and eliminate beta particles because of its uniform aluminum coating, and that dropped the CPM very close to background. I actually e-mailed the EPA after seeing this (an 800% + increase in CPM is worth reporting) and this was the reply I got:

            We have responded to your inquiry.

            Thank you for contacting the Radiation Protection Division.

            Historical data over the past 8 years at San Francisco, San Jose, and Fresno indicate a similar trend of increasing beta results beginning in the fall. This typically peaks in December and January. I'm sorry that I do not have any additional information to provide, however I can confirm that the readings that you are collecting are consistent with seasonal trends.

            I hope that you find this information helpful.

            Radiation Protection Division


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            • Bungalow Phil

              Typical response. This is in your dwelling, though. The readings indicate a hazardous condition. All I can say is take measures to eliminate as much as possible the influx into your dwelling, such as sealing off windows and doors and using HEPA and carbon filters throughout. Keep monitoring to make adjustments to limit your exposure. This an admission of what we have been following for sometime, but there is no intervention by Govt' so we must do what we can.


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  • <p>11th October 2014 – Fukushima. Busby Bites Back </p>

    <p>Comment:</p>

    <p>Revelations on the use of an enriched uranium weapon. This weaponry is contaminating large areas, and causing large numbers of birth defects.</p>

    <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Z41IC7qH4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Z41IC7qH4</a></p&gt;


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  • 11th October 2014 – Fukushima. Busby Bites Back

    Comment:

    Revelations on the use of an enriched uranium weapon. This weaponry is contaminating large areas, and causing large numbers of birth defects.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Z41IC7qH4


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  • Hi Morellie.

    Thanks for posting a photo. That's a rather high reading you've got going.

    * Is this rig inside your house or some other structure?

    * The only way I feel I can know something about a high (3M "N95") air filter reading reading here is to do a "one shot" air draw (2 hours, 40 cubic meter of air), then watch the freshly pulled filter decay. I allow myself 3 minutes to place my 2 inch diameter filter into a test jig, such that it's in close proximity to the Inspector's 2 inch window (now with only and SBM-20 tube).


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  • califnative califnative

    Tucson AZ 326 CPM already and it's only 9:00AM. Two days ago Phoenix was 575 CPM. Yesterday Tucson started off with chemtrails along the Catalina Foothills, Haarp signature scalar waves in the milky man-mad clouds all day long, large military planes flying slow and low during the day, evening time had several low flying helicopters, saw this when living in San Jose California, more than likely they are taking radiation measurements.


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  • Report from contact in Dunedin New Zealand.

    This morning the radon meter started climbing from 1.1 picoCuries …
    I opened the windows and doors – and it still kept climbing …

    It hit 2.1 … then we had a quake – now on 2.2 … still cimbing …

    ——————————————–

    Increased Radon detections like this can be an indication of an impending earthquake.

    M 4.1 – 31km WNW of Dunedin, New Zealand

    Time: 2014-10-16 15:44:04 UTC+10:00
    Location: 45.776°S 170.121°E
    Depth: 9.9km

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#{%22feed%22%3A%227day_m25%22%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Atrue%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3Atrue%2C%22timeZone%22%3A%22local%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A[[-57.657157596582984%2C-244.3359375]%2C[-16.299051014581817%2C-131.8359375]]%2C%22overlays%22%3A{%22plates%22%3Atrue}%2C%22viewModes%22%3A{%22map%22%3Atrue%2C%22list%22%3Afalse%2C%22settings%22%3Afalse%2C%22help%22%3Afalse}}


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  • califnative califnative

    Beta Spikes and Rising Radiation Levels – Majia's Blog http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2014/10/yesterday-and-perhaps-day-before.html?showComment=1413573198932#c5620932127483436442

    Posted Thursay, October 16th – "Yesterday and perhaps the day before Phoenix encountered a radioactive plume:

    I don't know where it came from. It could have derived from Fukushima, Diablo Canyon nuclear plant, or Palo Verde nuclear power plant. In the end, I guess it doesn't matter because the overarching point is that nuclear power plants are contaminating our environment with man-made radionuclides (and I do mean "man" made).

    After seeing this uptick in beta count, I perused the other west coast sites. Many Radnet sites are no longer reporting beta data at all …"

    Thank God for Majia's Blog, she validates for me what's going on in Arizona right now. This rad uptick has been making me feel unusally fatigued with sudden tiredness the last 3 days.

    Phoenix, AZ – 295 CPM
    Station ID 4:956 Phoenix, AZ, US
    CPM: current 295 Low 11 High 580
    Average 78, Deviation 55.7
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    2014-10-17 12:53:00 GMT+0000

    Tucson AZ – 370 CPM
    Station ID 4:919 Tucson, AZ, US
    CPM: current 370 Low 14 High 388
    Average 117, Deviation 67.9
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    2014-10-17 15:01:00


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  • Bungalow Phil

    Aerial assault continues today after a short absence.

    The assault on our desert sky has resumed today with aerial discharge of unknown constituents by persons of unknown origin in aircraft of unknown origin.


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  • Morellio

    Fremont, CA just crossed 1000 cpm. Sorry for the crappy photo.

    http://i.imgur.com/8UJaPT6.jpg


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  • freebywill

    Phoenix showing a level 5 alert again today . . . . .

    500 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:956 Phoenix, AZ, US
    Click here for data charts
    CPM: current 500 Low 11 High 580
    Average 81, Deviation 60.7
    (CPM of Beta particles)

    Last updated: 2014-10-18 12:58:00 GMT+0000


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    • califnative califnative

      freebywill – good morning! thank you for trying to find why there have been elevated rad readings in AZ, you are quite the sleuth! I never heard of NPP venting in preparation of refueling (rods) which can obviously cause radiation leaks. And Phoenix is at 500 CPM this morning! If the pattern repeats its self, Tucson will start to climb quickly.

      Really appreciate you taking the time to find a clue as to what is happening in AZ, thank you :)


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      • Angela_R

        From freebywill's link: http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/new_nuclear_weapons_testing_san_francisco.htm

        "It only takes one invisible micron of Depleted Uranium to cause organ damage and health failure. Can anyone possibly hazard a guess as to how much potential hazard that 1,440 pounds of particulates could cause – never mind the 20,000 pound particulate upper limit? Can you imagine willingly causing up to 1,440 pounds of radioactive particles to be blasted into the open air? If one miniscule particle so tiny as to be invisible can cause a terminal illness, whose mind can even fathom the devastation 1,440 pounds of this stuff could do to countless numbers of people?

        But we must remember – Livermore Lab is allowed to explode up to 20,000 pounds into the air in a year and not even have to notify the neighboring communities. And Site 300 is only one of several such explosive “test” sites in the nation."

        One of several such explosive "test" sites in the nation. Could your high readings be coming from such a test?

        and how much exploded into the air in Fukushima? What quantity is being released each year into the atmosphere from all emissions, including those dispersed from nuclear reactors?


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  • califnative califnative

    WIPP plutonium release next Monday, Oct. 20. Restart of contaminated fan http://optimalprediction.com/wp/wipp-plutonium-release-next-monday-oct-20-restart-of-contaminated-fan/

    Bobby1's Blog – "During the October16, 2014 WIPP townhall meeting, Nuclear Waste Partnership President, Bob McQuinn gave a presentation on the planned Monday October 20th restart of WIPP surface fan 860A.

    Slide number 12 used during McQuinn’s presentation indicates that fan 860A was in use at the time of the mid-February 2014 release of Plutonium and Americium to the environment, and that when the fan is restarted this coming Monday “residual contamination may be released”.

    see slide “12”:
    http://www.wipp.energy.gov/wipprecovery/Presentations/Town_Hall_Slides_10_16_14.pdf

    I’d like to know who authorized the possible release of plutonium and americium that may occur when fan 860A is restarted?

    According to the DOE document, “Precautions are being taken to ensure protection of workers and the environment”. Why don’t they simply replace the fan?

    Time to get your Geiger counters out, and make sure your air filtration units are operating next week. Wish I could do a HYSPLIT prediction of the wind currents, but I can’t now."

    Radiation readings are already high in AZ, now NM WIPP release is coming this way. I'm already counting on the wind current being manipulated to the West, just watch.


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  • Checkmate

    I think it probably is all coming from Palo Verde. I remember when I live in Scottsdale and it was built back in 1980s. Some guy I had talked to back then, who was involved with the construction or something there, told me that a Nuke mgr. from a Connecticut nuclear plant had just replaced the current mgr. This was after Palo had been running for about a year. And the new mgr. had told him that all of Palo should be torn down and built over again because it was the worst built nuke plant in entire the U.S. Of course this was back in 80s, who knows about the plants built later.
    Anyway, one of the problems back then was they had no way to refuel the plant other then tearing down a concrete wall to do it. Also there was a question of the concrete, perhaps too much sand in it. I imagine the refueling problem was fixed, but who knows how. Also, there was the construction cos. burying bull dozers and different equipment on the property, probably creating cost over runs to gain more profit and/or new equipment.
    Also I remember some employees periodically found dead wild ducks floating in an open air water pond located in complex and where shocked to see this and very surprised. It was never revealed what kill them. The pond was not suppose to contain any radiation at all, so who knows. But I understand that this was happening over years and may still be… I'm not a kill joy, but only revealing a little background on it- maybe everything is fixed by now…


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  • Checkmate

    Also back in the 80s, an AZ west wind map was drawn to project the possible area of contamination if the plant had a problem. Of course all of Phoenix was included and Tucson was on the southern fringe and I think Payson was on the northern from the angles drawn from Palo…


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    • califnative califnative

      Checknate – thanks, I wasn't even aware of Palo Verde until someone told me here. It was just few weeks ago Palo Verde had a bomb threat, they evacuated but never found anything. Now we have to contend to WIPP leaking plutonium this Monday.

      BTW your not being a kill joy, sharing information here helps.


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  • @ Morellio, per: "I used a CD to try and eliminate beta particles because of its uniform aluminum coating, and that dropped the CPM very close to background."

    * The standard for blocking most of the beta is 3mm or 1/8 inch of aluminum over the window of your Geiger counter. (Non-windowed, typically SBM-20 tube GCs also need to be beta blocked, since they read beta above 350 KeV or so.)

    * I wouldn't have thought there's enough aluminum on a CD to make much of a beta difference, but your earlier test with paper indicated that you weren't trying to stop very much alpha. So: this would seem to be a large accumulation of low energy beta emitting particles on your air filter.

    * Again: you also want to check the over-all decay rate –less than an hour per half-life suggesting radon/daughters.

    ** Important. Don't just assume what the source is. Try to find out for sure if it's coming from outside or inside your house.

    ** Obviously, if radon is coming up from your foundation/basement within the house, then closing and sealing up the house is exactly the wrong thing to do. (There have been instances of housing built on natural and dumped radioactive fill.)

    Find out. You've got high numbers.

    Craig


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    • Morellio

      Thanks for the response Craig-123.

      Decay down to a typical background of 90 CPM continues to be 8-12 hours, so a half-life of about 4-6 hours.

      Also, I am the last person to assume where this is coming from without identifying the isotopes present on my filter. We can speculate, but without the spectra all I can do is report my observations. Since my last posts, readings have fluctuated between 500-700 CPM for the most part, with another spike just over 1000 on Friday October 17.


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      • Thats some scary shite bro, what kind of meter are you using?


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        • Morellio

          The GC I have is an Inspector Alert. I went for something with better surface area than one of the tube style ones.

          Last night my filter was sitting in the 700s again, so I took it off and put it in a freezer bag. I should make a video with the GC audio on just to illustrate, but I did some more experimentation based on what you guys have said. I put it in a bag, measured for a few minutes, got close to the original measurement on the filter. Took some kitchen aluminum foil, and CPM was actually reduced by only 50 CPM at most. So, folded it in two, tried again. After folding it 4 times I was still getting a reading of around 550 CPM after a few minutes.

          So, changed the filter, and left the 'energetic' one bagged. New filter read 550 this morning, old filter read 45. I'm not missing a zero, over the 8-10 hours it was bagged, whatever was on the filter is just gone. 700 CPM to 45 overnight. If there didn't seem to be a continual supply of whatever is giving me these high readings, I'd worry less after seeing how fast the decay is.


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  • califnative califnative

    7:30AM and rising…
    374 CPM Albuquerque, NM, US
    372 CPM Phoenix, AZ, US
    282 CPM Tucson, AZ, US
    484 CPM San Angelo, TX, US

    Wind Map
    http://hint.fm/wind/

    Don't forget tomorrows WIPP plutonium release in New Mexico.

    Bobby1's Blog – "During the October16, 2014 WIPP townhall meeting, Nuclear Waste Partnership President, Bob McQuinn gave a presentation on the planned Monday October 20th restart of WIPP surface fan 860A.

    Slide number 12 used during McQuinn’s presentation indicates that fan 860A was in use at the time of the mid-February 2014 release of Plutonium and Americium to the environment, and that when the fan is restarted this coming Monday “residual contamination may be released."


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    • bf9 bf9

      I've got a friend that called me this morning (here in PHX), his readings have been similar to what you guys have been posting. Today however, he's hitting spikes of 1,000-1,200 CPM beta.

      Stay the HELL indoors, and if you've got a mask I suggest wearing it. Phoenix has been hit by something.


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    • Sickputer

      Re: activation of WIPP ventilation fan

      SP: They have to push out the stale hot (and contaminated) air or workers can't stand the heat. Working in full oxygen suits is probably not a longterm option if they are going to do the extensive work needed to re-open for more waste shipments. Just a hunch.


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      • califnative califnative

        Today's WIPP ventilation fan update from Tucson AZ, my lymph nodes in my neck are screaming since 10:00AM. I have never felt them so active like they are now. WIPP Pres. McQuinns presentation said they are not turning on the 860A filter until tonight but they started something already.

        Yesterday an unexpected thunder and lighting storm came through in the afternoon, man-made by chem clouds I watched manifest in the morning over the Catalina Foothills. Slightly elevated readings during the storm, this morning returned back to normal so I had the windows open thinking it was okay. My Radex1212 only monitors beta/gamma/alpha but it's obvious something else in the air like plutonium and all the other types of radiation not being monitored or mentioned.

        As expected the wind is blowing from New Mexico to Arizona, traveling up north all along the west coast to Washington and Canada. Hmmm, don't see that very often. netc.com shows below average 105 CPM right now but my throat glands tell me to stay the fuck inside.

        http://hint.fm/wind/
        http://www.wipp.energy.gov/wipprecovery/recovery.html


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  • VanneV VanneV

    List of RADCON-4 sites:
    5:606 near Bismarck, ND, US 386 2014-10-19 13:12:00 G
    4:610 near Albuquerque, NM, US 374 2014-10-19 10:29:00 G
    5:618 near Lubbock, TX, US 322 2014-10-19 11:38:00 G
    4:621 near San Angelo, TX, US 484 2014-10-19 13:41:00 G
    5:621 near San Angelo, TX, US 314 2014-10-19 13:41:00 G
    5:812 near Grand Junction, CO, US 494 2014-10-19 12:08:00 U
    4:940 near Idaho Falls, ID, US 121 2014-10-19 12:41:00 G
    4:956 near Phoenix, AZ, US 372 2014-10-19 13:03:00 G
    5:956 near Phoenix, AZ, US 412 2014-10-19 13:03:00 G


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  • At present there is a worldwide effort to develop sophisticated humanoid robots to carry out tasks in highly radioactive areas of the out of control Fukushima nuclear disaster site.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCkYkOjXw88


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  • freebywill

    Albuquerque elevated readings possibly from WIPP venting . . .

    windflow is out of Texas northwest thru NM

    222 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:610 Albuquerque, NM, US
    Click here for data charts
    CPM: current 222 Low 14 High 394
    Average 128, Deviation 68.7
    (CPM of Beta particles)

    Last updated: 2014-10-20 19:36:00 GMT+0000


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  • califnative califnative

    I'm finding it hard to believe Phoenix and Tucson AZ are only 35 & 38 CPM when the last few weeks have been so high. Took these evening readings from a Radex1212 uSv/hr just now, stood outside for a bit and the alarm went off at 0.34. I mentioned early this morning my neck lymph nodes felt swollen, they subsided later but I swear to God, the time I went to do the reading tonight they felt swollen again. WTH? Can it happen that fast?

    5 min 20.10.2014 15:27 0.12
    5 min 20.10.2014 15:32 0.12
    5 min 20.10.2014 15:37 0.12
    5 min 20.10.2014 15:42 0.13
    5 min 20.10.2014 20:57 0.15
    5 min 20.10.2014 21:02 0.13

    Had another chem-bomb mini rain storm with two rainbows this afternoon, took lots of pictures. I feel agitated, the air is radiated. The coyotes were howling a more than usual last night and tonight, I it effects the animals too.


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  • freebywill

    level 5 alerts in San Angelo and Ft Worth Tx

    264 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:712 Fort Worth, TX, US
    Click here for data charts
    CPM: current 264 Low 10 High 277
    Average 62, Deviation 36.9
    (CPM of Beta particles)

    Last updated: 2014-10-21 13:49:00 GMT+0000

    513 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:621 San Angelo, TX, US
    Click here for data charts
    CPM: current 513 Low 11 High 513
    Average 120, Deviation 97.1
    (CPM of Beta particles)

    Last updated: 2014-10-21 09:51:00 GMT+0000


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  • Sickputer

    You have to admire the finesse with which EPA ghostwriters produce their online documents about radiation. Take this statement for example:

    "Can drinking water be contaminated by man-made radionuclides?

    A very small percentage of drinking water systems are located in areas that have potential sources of man-made radioactive contamination from facilities that use, manufacture, or dispose of radioactive substances. Drinking water contamination may occur through accidental releases of radioactivity or through improper disposal practices. Water systems that are vulnerable to this type of contamination are required to perform extensive monitoring for radioactive contamination to ensure that their drinking water is safe. These radionuclides are regulated under the "beta particle and photon radioactivity" standard."

    http://water.epa.gov/lawsregs/rulesregs/sdwa/radionuclides/basicinformation.cfm#two

    SP: You got that? They can "ensure" your water is safe. *;-)


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Obviously a silly statement and one that is not true.. :(


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  • Ventura, Calif Radiation Readings: Faria beach and Mondos
    Happy to report a 2nd week in a row of reduced radiation readings for Ventura County, Calif. Especially after a very HOT summer of dangerous CPM count levels

    Air: 26 CPM
    Sand: 66 CPM
    Water: 55 CPM

    Usually, the numbers are twice the above and sustained over months. I cannot say as to why this is occurring, but for those who love the beach and ocean as a lifestyle, this is certainly greeted happily.


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    • califnative califnative

      uwantsun – that is good news :) I feel somewhat relieved today as well, reading are average this morning. Past two days I stayed inside from Monday's WIPP test on the filter. It's beautiful here and difficult to inside. Thanks for sharing it's always wonderful to here good news during such hard times.


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  • freebywill

    @califnative, majia, bf9 found something interesting in EPA data

    on majia's blog was lookin at this chart
    http://www.epa.gov/radnet00/images/beta-gamma/phoenix-beta.jpg

    went to radnet data site and pulled out data and found this

    2014-10-14 00:44:47 2014-10-14 01:44:55 65
    2014-10-14 01:45:00 2014-10-14 02:45:08 71
    2014-10-14 02:45:13 2014-10-14 03:45:21 102
    2014-10-14 03:45:26 2014-10-14 04:45:34 136
    2014-10-14 04:45:39 2014-10-14 05:45:47 172
    2014-10-14 05:45:52 2014-10-14 06:46:00 580
    2014-10-14 06:46:05 2014-10-14 07:46:13
    2014-10-14 07:46:18 2014-10-14 08:46:25
    2014-10-14 08:46:30 2014-10-14 09:46:39 481
    2014-10-14 09:46:44 2014-10-14 10:46:52
    2014-10-14 10:46:56 2014-10-14 11:47:04 377
    2014-10-14 11:47:09 2014-10-14 12:47:18 248
    2014-10-14 12:47:23 2014-10-14 13:47:30 346
    2014-10-14 13:47:35 2014-10-14 14:47:43
    2014-10-14 14:47:48 2014-10-14 15:47:56 287
    2014-10-14 15:48:01 2014-10-14 16:48:09 239
    2014-10-14 16:48:14 2014-10-14 17:48:21 205
    2014-10-14 17:48:26 2014-10-14 18:48:34 180
    2014-10-14 18:48:39 2014-10-14 19:48:47 155
    2014-10-14 19:48:52 2014-10-14 20:49:00 139
    2014-10-14 20:49:05 2014-10-14 21:49:13 124
    2014-10-14 21:49:18 2014-10-14 22:49:26 116
    2014-10-14 22:49:31 2014-10-14 23:49:39 109

    on other reports when monitors are not functioning the data val is 0. maybe readings were so high they removed them ?


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    • califnative califnative

      freebywill – absolutely! You can count on the EPA removing alarming numbers so as to not cause panic and hide the data. VannV pointed out Colorado no longer has any monitoring now. I just found an article about this subject and will post in below, thanks for pointing this out.


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  • califnative califnative

    Something Bad Is Happening In California – The Government Is Hiding It! http://www.allnewspipeline.com/Something_Bad_Is_Happening_CA.php

    Massively high radiation readings from San Diego, California have disappeared yet again, right on the heels of a report showing that "Intense" radiation exposure was headed towards the US west coast with a plume traveling very fast and that "high concentrations" would impact the west coast with a prolonged period of radioactive upwelling expected.

    ANP reported the first instance of this on September 21, 2014, after we were contacted by Chuck Hindman from Mid America Land Restoration / Microbes / Probiotics, who has been tracking radiation levels across the US, where he noticed that extremely high radiation levels from CA and NM, simply disappeared. A response from NETC where these readings are listed, stated "If you read the EPA webpage you will learn that government takes down each station when unusual event occurs, like high radiation readings. The EPA takes out the filter from the station and sends it to the lab, to find out what type of radiation was detected. Then they install a new filter and turn the station back online. "

    Now ask yourself why no one in the MSM is not reporting these levels and more importantly, if the government is taking these filters offline to test what type of radiation is being found, why are we not being told what the results are.

    cont.


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  • califnative califnative

    Strange Radiation Readings CA And NM Totally Disappear! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Urt2Oxw24#t=159
    Published on Sep 21, 2014

    Update – October 13, 2014 – It Happened AGAIN! – Article and video at – http://www.allnewspipeline.com/Someth

    Article linked below has been updated with the response I received from NETC!

    Something very strange is going on with the radiation readings in Sand Diego, California and Albequerque, New Mexico.

    Article associated with this video – http://www.allnewspipeline.com/Someth


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  • califnative califnative

    The EPA Has Turned Off All Coastal Beta Radiation Monitors Between Anchorage Alaska And San Diego California http://tomsebourn.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-epa-has-turned-off-all-coastal-beta.html

    NETC.com monitor station starting with 4 are EPA, monitor station 1 are private individuals using home Geiger Counter which are a lot less sensitive in detecting radiation than the EPA's equipment. San Diego is the only EPA monitor ALONG THE COAST?!

    Posted Oct. 16 by Tom Ebourn who lives in Eureka, CA – "As I have been writing this I kept saving it for updates and have been avoiding it's release because I was waiting to hear back from the EPA. Here's why.

    "On August 6th. the Eureka Radnet monitor was shut down. There are no longer any public air radiation monitors along the west coast between Alaska and San Diego Ca. The official story from the EPA to me as to why the Eureka site was shut down as "Too much Radio Frequency interference".

    "I asked two follow up questions: "Are the rest of the west coast monitors turned off for the same reason?" and "What are or do you know what those offending radio frequencies are?" I have not received any response to the last two questions from the EPA. For this reason I have written our Congressman Jared Huffman."

    "While most of us are distracted by Ebola, NFL or Baseball playoffs, this seems to be moving up to levels where it should make people sick. It's going to rain again. That changes everything."


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  • califnative califnative

    Sorry, just to clarify NETC.com and EPA's website RadNet (thanks Stock and freebywill) are two different websites https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/query.do

    Harlan with NETC has this explanation for missing EPA monitors:

    "Netc has changed the Main webpage to only display the Netc private monitoring stations and the EPA Beta sites. The EPA Gamma Range 5 is available for chart members only and is displayed on the Chart webpage as before. There are to big of radiation values to mix the private Netc.com stations with the EPA gamma stations. We plan on adding the other ranges 2 though 9 in the future. if people are interested. EPA range 5 is available only on the Chart Member webpage Some stations are only EPA gamma and must be viewed on the Chart Member webpage.


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    • Sickputer

      I don't know why they turned off the West Coast Radnet sensors (Sadnet) because they have been quite efficient at posting numbers out of their ass. They took careful notes on how Tepkill informs their citizens.

      They forged readings for North Anna in 2011 the day of The Great East Coast Erathquake. I screen captured their fake readings inserted 3 hours earlier then the actual time slot. Efficient little nucleoapes…posting radiation readings before they happened. Amazing Kreskin idiot savants!


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      • califnative califnative

        SP it's terrible isn't it. Last 3 days I've been afraid to go outside. Looks like we have to wait until November 6th for the next WIPP community meeting http://www.wipp.energy.gov/wipprecovery/recovery.html

        "Currently, all exhaust air leaving the WIPP underground facility continues to be sent through High Efficiency Particulate Air (HEPA) filters. The HEPA filters require reduced airflow, which means the number of diesel vehicles that can operate at one time in the underground facility has also decreased. Personnel will continue monitoring airflow conditions to make sure diesel exhaust is being removed from the immediate area to ensure all health and safety requirements are being met."

        They're worried about diesel exhaust? I hope they provide the data on the extra outside radiation monitors they put up since Monday 20th – then again I probably won't believe them anyway.


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        • Sickputer

          I have a good friend traveling to Tokyo for a week stay. Bright educated lady, and she said she isn't eating fish. I reminded her that Fukushima Prefecture was the organic breadbasket food provider for Japan and many farms are still functional despite heavy fallout. Rice is served everywhere.

          I suggested the Chilean sea bass and New Zealand mutton if she has a choice. The public water supply is not so good in Tokyo and the last two typhoons brought another fresh batch of radiation to mix in their water supply.

          Over two years of massive incinerator burning in Tokyo and other major cities of nuclear debris means eveybody got dosed. We had actually bombed our country 200 times with open air bomb tests in the 1950s and 1960s. Far more radiation than the two city busters at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But I think Japan is fast closing the gap. Fukushima was once one of the top fifteen nuclear power complexes in the world by weight of nuclear fuel. Close to to 30% has burned away or is lost in the three meltdown coria. Enough million-year dangerous fuel to destroy the health and the economy of 100 million Japanese on Honshu. Won't happen this year, but time favors the atom. It has no brain and follows no rules of Mother Nature. Born from brilliant, yet slightly insane scientists. They thought there was a good chance they might destroy the planet's atmosphere in 1945. They were just off by 66 years.


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  • califnative califnative

    EPA GOV RADNET – Query Results for public (10/22/2014 17:06)

    OFFICIAL NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER:
    The data contained on these pages does not constitute an official position, review, statement or confirmation of integrity by the Environmental Protection Agency. It is not for use in any official manner unless reviewed and approved by an authorized agent of the Environmental Protection Agency.

    Query Parameters:
    Location Names: CA: SAN FRANCISCO,
    Query End Date: 10/22/2014
    Measurement End Date/Time Beta Gross
    2014-10-22 13:00:31 0
    2014-10-22 14:00:44 0
    2014-10-22 15:00:57 0
    2014-10-22 16:01:10 0
    2014-10-22 17:01:22 0
    2014-10-22 18:01:35 0
    2014-10-22 19:01:48 0
    2014-10-22 20:02:00 0

    Of all places San Francisco is not being monitored by the EPA. BTW when did the EPA ever have integrity?

    in·teg·ri·ty

    The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.

    synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness


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  • I am still casually monitoring values in the Vancouver area.
    Mostly get usual readings averaging .11 micro Sv/hr using older soeks 01M. Using a sm20 Russian army standard tube that measures mostly gamma radiation, this machine is similar to unitssold through radnet except no data port for realtime computer internet operations but portable and Geiger tube hooked up to unique Russian software that converts data to microSv no cpm. Apparently the software provides quicker more accurate info.
    At Panorama Ridge, South Surrey located at the top of a significant elevation, 251 feet above sea level, the first ridge inland from the sea. A 5 minute drive to near sea level. Ten mi Ute drive to beach


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    • So last night at above location I got a high radiation level of .47 microSv. This reading only lastedfor seconds but the .22 after lasted awhile and it took minutes to stabilize. Just saying. Could have been a hot particle. Is no way of knowing for sure. High radiation is high radiation even if it lasts for seconds. Moderate wind. High radiation cannot be from cell phones or traffic. Or commercial radio as all that is electro magnetic radiation and soeks and others measure nuclear radiation. The software used in my machine makes readings trustworthy as a moving mass of excess radiation. Although not having spectronomy equipment to determine actual radio nuclides, it is impossible to determine source of excess radiation. Although living in low radon far away from nuclear installation this spike shouldn't be a local source.
      Spike is something. The properties of negatively charged radiated atoms is not clear but I suspect radiation does not disipate like food colouring in water but more.like styrophome in water. What can you do? Just hope.most of Fukushima radiation is draining to ocean and not in air I breath.


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  • * Perhaps the most common G-M tube among us (I'm running 2 of them) is the SBM-20. My two run 15 to 16 CPM in a nominal 10 uR/hr (0.10 uSv/hr) field.

    * That's only important to us for appreciating the normal plus/minus excursions of the displayed readings we see. While these Russian instruments are thoughtfully designed and make the most of their G-M tubes, there's a conflict between wanting a rapid reading (important during a high radiation emergency) and the background monitoring use most of us bought a Geiger counter for.

    * Here's the "take home": the indicated radiation level, whether it's in uR/hr, uSv/hr or CPM –has variations for purely statistical reasons –much as if you were trying to track the average number of people per hour entering the gate of your county fair. You'd probably have a poor sample count if (say) you counted 30 people over a period of 2 minutes, then multiplied by 30 for 900 P/hr.

    And if you think 2 minutes is inadequate, try counting for 10 seconds, then multiplying by 360! To get the same result, exactly 2 and 1/2 persons would have to pass when you slammed the gate shut on the 3rd person's bleeding carcass. In reality, it's very likely that zero to several people would enter.

    * After 2 minutes, the normal variation in your display will be +/-18% in a 0.10 uSv/hr field, +/-13% in a 0.20 uSv/hr field. 26% would not be uncommon. A lone 39% bump or dent would be probable in a day's worth of monitoring.


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    • My Soeks unit does emit beeping noises which when counted minute by minute does correlate to a similar value to Craig's 15 cpm.
      My eyeball average of .11 microSv/hr which by the way has been tested against call-out averaging, is similar to Craig's.
      The county fair anology is helpful as what I'm trying to say is perhaps the Russian computer aplication takes the raw data and manipulates it within much studied parameters to give a more accurate speedier ascertation of the radiological situation.
      Therefore my rise to .47 microSv is well above 400% normal background level. As bar turned yellow at .22 mcSv/hr which is confidence bar on graphics of this software, it is a clear spike.
      Finally, while people claim that this type of tube only detects gamma radiation it should be noted that alpha emmitters decay into beta emitters which do decay into gamma emmitters so my understanding is increased gamma could be a sign of increased beta or alpha. Nuclear material is constantly transmorgriphying into other nuclides of different flavors, beta alpha and gamma.
      My sample taken under bus stop shelter with light rain. Usually readings are lower with rain as rain cleans air. A portable unit offers flexibility and insights perhaps a fixed unit does not enjoy? Was High radiation for over a minute. Ionizing radiation at basic rural setting. But again without defining actual nuclides with spectrometer devices hot particle maybe Fuk or Hanford or ?


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      • * Thanks for confirming that 15-16 CPM as being in the ballpark, Mark.

        * Right: the air itself is often reported to be cleaner when it's raining. (Umbrellas are nice, though.)

        * Right again about decay chains. The only reason we can detect Cs-137 via gamma is because it briefly turns into barium-137M (hot stuff). Ditto for rain wipes when it's largely radon daughters we're reading.

        * And the SBM-20 does detect beta, but it has to be rather "hard" beta at 350 KeV and up. The plentiful beta from potassium reads well with an average/mean energy of 560 KeV.

        ** When I'm using my Radex-1503, I try to run and average 4 or 5 160 second cycles in a row, which gets the jump-around down to +/-8% or less.

        The bounce can be much less if something's reading high, but you still want a long slow count on the normal background for comparisons and subtraction.

        * I'm just a radiation monitoring amateur, but I've been slogging away at it since 3/11/2011.


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  • califnative califnative

    Thanks for sharing your rad readings in Vancouver Mark.

    Another day of insane high readings in AZ/NM/TX that can't be explained:

    309 CPM Phoenix, AZ, US
    Station ID 4:956 CPM: current 309 Low 11 High 596
    Average 90, Deviation 69.2
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-10-24 12:42:00

    349 CPM Tucson, AZ, US
    Station ID 4:919 CPM: current 349 Low 14 High 402
    Average 118, Deviation 69.1
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-10-24 12:48:00

    307 CPM Albuquerque, NM, US
    Station ID 4:610 CPM: current 307 Low 14 High 394
    Average 129, Deviation 69
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-10-24 12:55:00

    465 CPM San Angelo, TX, US
    Station ID 4:621 CPM: current 465 Low 11 High 513
    Average 119, Deviation 93
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-10-24 11:47:00


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  • In other news:

    * The United States is trying to block making nuke plants safer(!)
    > http://rt.com/usa/199024-cns-nuclear-safety-proposal/
    What the hell does it take to get through to our government?

    * Earlier today the Sun let go with an X3 flare –from a giant sunspot that's facing the earth. Follow developments on that via:
    > http://www.spaceweather.com/

    –and you may have already read about the CME peril at:
    > http://www.enviroreporter.com/2014/10/lights-out/


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    • Craig123, there has to be something seriously wrong with the mentality of the nuclear establishment, and our world leaders.

      If the Fukushima nuclear disaster is not a big enough catastrophe to wake them up to the dangers of nuclear power, what would it take?

      The fact is we don't need nuclear power, solar and wind are much cheaper more efficient and safer. They don't take out half country and contaminate it for centuries if one power plant fails!


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  • Britain's nuclear test veterans ARE the victims of a genetic curse, new research reveals – 18th October 2014

    Extracts:

    Research – first reported by the Sunday Mirror in 2007 – which shows that their offspring have 10 times the normal rate of birth defects has finally been accepted by the scientific community.

    The study proves:

    Wives have THREE times the rate of miscarriage

    Children are FIVE times more likely to die as infants

    Babies are THREE times more likely to be stillborn

    Veterans' grandchildren EIGHT times more likely to have birth defects

    Grandchildren of veterans TWICE as likely to get childhood cancer

    And the most shocking finding of all is that the problems are likely to last at least 500 years, or 20 generations.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-nuclear-test-veterans-victims-4460976


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  • Bungalow Phil

    Comment on Radiation 2010 – 2014
    … by Bob Nichols

    Excerpt-

    (San Francisco) – High Radiation levels exceeded the Evacuation Level requiring the wholesale Evacuation of civilians at many locations in the States over the past four years, from 2010 to 2014.
    Those who remain are supposed to be wearing Hazmat Suits. Did Evacuation happen in your town or city? No, of course not. It did not happen anywhere that I know of.

    Excerpt-

    Today’s HazMat Suit Required and Evacuation Level cities include a lot of locations. Notable due to very high Radiation levels are the following: Billings, Montana, 769 CPM Idaho Falls, Idaho, 488 CPM Rapid City, South Dakota, 463 CPM Grand Junction, Colorado, 465 CPM Colorado Springs, Colorado, 536 CPM San Diego, California, 417 CPM and Raleigh, North Carolina, 474 CPM"-

    Full story:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/25/comment-on-radiation-2010-2014/


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    • califnative califnative

      BP – I lived in San Francisco up until last November, took in all the high rads during the last 3 years and now I'm in Tucson where the readings are relentlessly between 200-300 CPM a day. I can relate to this article because I'm not moving and just purchased a home here. I think about the possibility of sheltering in place too, like he said, what other choice do we have.


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    • This is one of the most common sources of confusion for new people here when they compare live monitoring station detections.

      Hope this helps make it a bit clearer

      Geiger Counters have different sensitivities. Meaning, at the same location one Geiger counter model could show say 12 cpm, while an another 120 cpm.

      It all depends on the type of Geiger counter tube the model it is using. If they used a scintillator for detection purposes, which is very Gamma radiation sensitive it could be in the thousands of counts per minute.

      You can only compare it against itself. If it usually averaged around 12 cpm pre-Fukushima at that particular location, this would be considered the background level at that location using that Geiger counter.

      It may not be unusual to get detections for very brief periods of time, 3 times this. If it stayed 3x or more pre-Fukushima background for any length of time, then possibly something more serious is happening.

      Detecting a regular 100+ CPM using an Inspector Xp Geiger counter with a sensitive pancake probe would be of concern if the normal local background pre Fukushima was 30 CPM. These EPA sensors are much more sensitive, and it it is normal for them to show detections in the 100s of CPM.

      It is important to understand the CMP levels are related to the sensitivity of the monitoring detector being used.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    WE are all on our own and WKM knows we are..he is a government worker.

    He knows we are all screwed…and he just does not care.

    Not any different than any other time.


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