FORUM: Post Your Radiation Monitoring Data Here

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Previous radiation monitoring thread here: http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-dec-17-2011-present

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  • califnative califnative

    Periodically checking NETC.com it was nice to see low levels across the nation EXCEPT SAN DIEGO! 588 CPM at 7:50PM PST. What is going on here?

    588 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:915 San Diego, CA, US
    CPM: current 588 Low 3 High 588
    Average 48, Deviation 74.1
    (CPM of Beta particles)

    Last updated: 2014-09-18 14:05:00


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  • califnative califnative

    Vital1 – that is good stuff and I appreciate your informative posts here. I also wanted to thank you for telling us about your trip to Carlsbad, NM/WIPP posted Sept 21st. A sad story indeed especially the locals not knowing what is happening around them. I watch the news about WIPP because I live in Tucson, AZ which means I'm either up or down wind of it, depending on the air flow. I'm thankful I'm seeing a robust wildlife here, bugs, birds, bats, bunnies, snakes, coyote, etc…all I'm cherishing each day. I saw all the bugs and birds slowly disappear, and the plants mutate when living in San Francisco, CA after 3/11. Almost every morning it take my Radax1212 Geiger counter for short readings and the recent difference I've seen is from April to July the spikes were frequent, erratic and fluctuating, since August to date the background is a bit higher (2-3 digits), less spikes and more slow rising as if the radiation has saturated the environment. Not very good at explaining this but I wanted mention this change in readings.

    One more thing that has me in despair, seeing an increase in mutated vegetables. Cauliflower, broccoli, cabbage, apples to name a few. Perhaps people will take notice and realize our food is being poisoned and start to ask questions. There is such ignorance on so many levels. I've even seen mutations on the TV cooking shows!

    Thanks again for sharing your story and posting helpful information to those who are new and want to learn.


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    • vital1 vital1

      califnative,

      "I also wanted to thank you for telling us about your trip to Carlsbad,"

      That Carlsbad trip info was from enenews poster ISeePinkClouds. He had placed that information in another enenews forum, and I felt it was relevant to this forum, so I re-posted it here.

      "I saw all the bugs and birds slowly disappear, and the plants mutate when living in San Francisco, CA after 3/11."

      Yes, a lot of people have been reporting the same, particularly along the sections of the Canadian west coast at present.

      "Not very good at explaining this but I wanted mention this change in readings."

      Every report helps us all get a better understanding on what is occurring. So thanks for taking the time to post them.

      "Periodically checking NETC.com it was nice to see low levels across the nation EXCEPT SAN DIEGO! 588 CPM at 7:50PM PST. What is going on here?"

      I checked another private monitoring station close to there, and it is was normal at the time. This suggests the detection was a very localized detection.

      http://www.radiation-watch-san-mateo-coast.com/VistaGraph.html


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  • Checkmate

    From what I have read- besides Vitamin C, another important thing is to monitor your PH. The urine should read between 7.0 to 7.5 to help prevent colds and flu, etc. The normal PH is 6.5 to 6.8, which means it is naturally low occurring. If the PH drops below 6.5 and say into the 5 range you are more prone to cancer.
    I am not a medical doctor and you should check with your doctor first before embarking on any Arm & Hammer solution…


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    • VanneV VanneV

      An alkaline diet doesn't need baking soda. An alkaline diet is the healthiest diet. even to prevent Alzheimer's


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      • VanneV VanneV

        “…This is why we must – not maybe – turn more to living organics and to detox out synthetic chemicals, not take them in (no matter what the sales pitch) and in order to reverse consciousness ailments….
        “Because we really fail to understand some such deep truths, life-forms on earth are wholesale dying. We are indeed in the midst of what I cannot but call an ‘eco-holocaust.’…
        “We alkalize and pursue anti-oxidating and anti-inflammatory remedies and diets. This is because these go directly toward reawakening life and consciousness. Among Alzheimer's activities we recommend meditation and gentle exercise (plus adequate sleep) to also alkalize and 'unfire'our whole mind–body-spirit terrain to heal….”
        http://www.raw-wisdom.com/alzheimer%27s_disease


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  • Radiation Count: Ventura Calif Faria Beach
    Inspector Plus Geiger Counter

    Sand: 140 CPM

    Air: 60 CPM

    Rocks: 80 CPM

    Averages over ten minutes


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  • vital1 vital1

    wantsun,

    1. How close was your Geiger counter to the sand and the rocks?

    2. How far off the ground was the Geiger counter for the air detection?

    3. What is the normal background for the local area?

    All this information helps make a better assessment of the situation.


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    • normal background, PRE 2011, according to stats I've read, was about 8 CPM, for ionizing radiation.

      Geiger counter was directly on the rock and sand.

      for air, six feet above ground, aimed at sky.

      The numbers are really high, after rains or heavy fog.


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  • vital1 vital1

    26 times much radiation level detected from Japanese used car “Mitsubishi Pajero” in Russian customs. Report Fukushima Diary the 21st September 2014

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/09/26-times-much-radiation-level-detected-japanese-used-car-mitsubishi-pajero-russian-customs/


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  • The averages over the summer have been between 60 – 100 CPM. THis is alarming to us. We are surfers and live near the water. I've read of huge numbers in San Diego and San Fran, but we've seen none of that here. So far.

    The birds are showing up again after having been missing all spring and summer. Saw a great deal yesterday and our first pod of dolphins this year. Usually we see them a few times a month. But not in 2014.

    It was a huge pod too, looked to be about 15 – 20.


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    • * "60 to 100cpm" all the time sounds high. Hopefully, you've been keeping your Inspector bagged at the beach (and in general). You need a "2nd opinion", using a known good and clean Geiger counter.

      * The alpha beta sensitivity of a "pancake" G-M tube Geiger counter is nice for characterizing samples (using a test jig at home on a test bench –in a controlled environment), but it's often more of a problem for general monitoring use (IMO). That's why the mica window of a Gamma-Scout is normally snapped shut with a 3mm aluminum cover (via that 3 position switch on top).

      * It's really unfortunate that our monitoring community has never posted a uniform list of standardized procedures –preferably with standardized equipment. The closest to that are Vital-1's oft repeated advice/links (and thanks).

      ** Someone –a socially motivated professional who knows radiology, should have been managing our (potentially) valuable "crowd sourcing" effort from the get-go.

      I tried to make this happen (and found more qualified/credentialed others to take the lead) –but I failed. At one point, however, we had the 30,000+ station Wunderground network interested (should anyone reading this know how to approach those people).

      Let's not discount the impressive work of Safecast:

      > http://map.safecast.org/

      –but the cost of their gear is high, I'm leery of high tech mobile methods –and of standardizing on a delicate, alpha-beta sensitive tube for survey work.


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      • combomelt combomelt

        Craig-123…..
        If money were no object, lol, what types of, and how many, radionuclide testing machines/devices would be needed, at a facility to accurately assess the radiation content of….

        1. air
        2. water
        3. food

        and in the field, what models of detectors would be best/most accurate to test for alpha, beta and gamma ??

        once again, forget about monetary concerns for the moment and imagine YOU(or anyone else here) are going to build a top o' the line facilty for testing, combined with a team/mobile(or fixed) distant locations outfitted with the best radiological testing equipment monitoring/testing across the planet.

        please, what equipment would you require???
        ty


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        • vital1 vital1

          "build a top o' the line facilty for testing"

          The inspector alert Geiger Counter with its sensitive pancake tube is very good unit for general environmental radiation surveys.

          The Theremino Geiger counter kit in combination with a Russian pancake tube, mentioned in the free Geiger counter guide, is cheaper and much more sensitive. It is not quite as portable as the Inspector Exp. The Theremino kit also has the advantage of real time radiation charting.

          The inspector and the Russian pancake are both capable of detecting alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Neither can identify which isotopes are present.

          http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Using-a-Geiger-Counter-to-test-food-for-Radioactive-Contamination.pdf

          The computer based Gamma spectacular scintillator kit, in combination with lead testing chamber, is probably the cheapest unit that will do low level gamma spectrometry. It is around $2500 with a DIY lead testing chamber. It is mentioned in the free food testing guide.

          There are commercial hand held spectrometry units that can identify individual isotopes mentioned in the guide but much more expensive. These are great for a general survey of an area.

          http://sccc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/How-to-set-up-a-home-or-community-food-testing-lab-for-radioactive-contamination.pdf


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          • vital1 vital1

            Testing for and identifying the dangerous alpha emitter isotopes like plutonium and strontium is problematic. To identify these you need very expensive equipment, plus a good operator skill level.

            You can set up a very good radiation testing lab relatively inexpensively, as long as you leave out wanting to identify low levels of plutonium and Strontium contamination etc.


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            • combomelt combomelt

              Vital1,
              I appreciate the insight, ty.

              now, please reconsider, and factor OUT ALL costs!

              But, please be specific if you can.
              Consider, an 8,000sq/ft facility….
              Do ANYHTING you want with the interior…..
              Divide it up, put in all the testing machinery you can dream of.!….VENTING, FILTRATION ETC….
              specifically what would be IN your fantasy testing facility?
              What "team" would be needed?
              FORGET COST….
              ty


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              • vital1 vital1

                "now, please reconsider, and factor OUT ALL costs!"

                "Consider, an 8,000sq/ft facility"

                It would need some temperature controlled rooms, for some test equipment.

                What "team" would be needed?

                To set up a facility like this you will need good skilled management and trained staff.

                If this sort of money was available to do this, a large centralizes facility like this may not be the best use of resources.

                It is necessary to clearly define what the organizational aims and purpose is before trying plan, and work out budgets.

                I would suggest a different approach, small teams of trained dedicated people using well set up and designed portable labs, reporting back to the management and testing facility.

                You would maximize the cost to benefit ratio by involving local communities. The staff would also be educators, training interested people and local communities on the effects of radioactive contamination, and mitigation techniques.

                Safe would educate communities on how to test and collect test samples properly, and safely. In key hot spots areas how to maintain, and run monitoring stations.

                This greatly expands your man hour base of operations, and creates good will, plus it allows you to accomplish much more with the same resources.


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    • The Inspector plus IS BAGGED – ALWAYS.

      If we waited for "professionals", whomever they are, we would never have data like this reported.

      We have TWO geiger counters. The pancake inspector and a tube of German Make.

      We test weekly. Name me a California beach with black sand. This is good old off-white sand.

      The above should effectively slaughter the doubt attack laid on here. Are YOU posting data online, because that is what this area of ENENEWS is about, rather than casting doubt on the work of those who care.


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  • Checkmate

    Well the question is answered in the Sept. 24 2014 Enenews article about "Ground breaking" study reveals…. What plants or vegetables are safe and best to eat? Which one contains less Cesium? How about cabbage? How does that compare with carrots? Doesn't the water uptake matter to which veg. has the most Cesium? So now what do you eat to minimize the effect? Healthy eating- how healthy??
    Also different trees have different amounts of radiation in their wood (same as vegetable plants???). So which tree should be burned in the fireplace? Additionally, has anyone found a tree on earth that does not contain any radiation what-so-ever? The answer to all of the above is no.!!!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    We are all being cooked internally whether we humans like it our not.. :(


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  • Checkmate

    Right on Obe, but you know the craziest thing is that 100,000 people march on Wall St. How many of those idiots own cell phones? Play videos games? Eat process foods? And they are marching for a cause? No wonder the elite are laughing at them.
    Those marchers are marching against themselves as they are the ones who are supporting these greedy corporations.
    If all those corporations left America tomorrow including the food companies, you would have not applause but screaming about leaving us all alone without food and everything else.
    There is absolutely no Common Sense in America that is why I quit voting after Ross Perot didn't get into office; I knew America had no future after that…


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  • vital1 vital1

    uwantsun "60 to 100cpm" all the time sounds high." I agree with Craig, that seems a high detection for an inspector plus Geiger counter that far off the ground at the beach.

    Does the beach have black sand, or is it all white sand?

    If black sand is present, it means the beach has natural occurring deposits of radioactive monazite bearing black sand. A beach with this sand on it will have a much higher CPM reading compared to the average white sand beach.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monazite_sand

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf30a.html

    What is the the background meter above the ground air detection at home compared to the beach location?

    Is there a jetty near by were you can take a meter above the jetty deck air reading.

    I aim asking these questions to try an establish if the high air detection is from the sea air or a radioactive sandy beach.


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  • The closer we are to the water, the higher the readings.


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  • We live a few miles inland, on a ridge overlooking the delta that goes into the ocean. We have a view for miles and miles. The air count here, inland is typically around 50-60 CPM. Daily. Every day.

    Ventura Calif, Ojai area.


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  • Big tide boulders at the beach
    Car windows
    Drain gutters
    Outdoor table surfaces

    Always clock the highest readings.

    What was in the 30s a year ago, is nearly double that now.


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  • Took the Inspector plus to my dentist in December…the thing freaked out that red-lined the device, when for a test, she ran the xray machine while i was down the hall, with a lead wall between us.

    The Inspector's make quite a racket when they hit 2500!


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  • For the Record. And As I've been posting here for a long time.

    We test the tide boulders farthest from the shore. Then the Sand at the water's edge. Sand 50 feet from water. Air, pointed to the sky, and the reading is typical no matter WHERE WE ARE.

    The numbers are the numbers and must be faced. It is the reality of our time. We decided that when the averages of all three test areas are consistently over 100 CPM, we are going to stop surfing and doing the whole beach life. Which we dearly love.

    The only happy part of what we are doing is that ONCE in a great while, someone comes up to us and asks what the black box is in our hands. THen they get the 3 minute fukushima education primer. They see the data. Most get it instantly when they understand what ionizing radiation is and what NORMAL used to be in the USA, as to what it is now.

    NOw, 60 CPM is the average normal for the area.

    What will it be next year? Because it is going up, folks.


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  • And lastly, don't care what "SOUNDS" high…these are the facts.

    Between two separate machines of differing make: tube and pancake.

    All I know is the numbers are sobering and speak volumes. According to California OSHA, anything over 50CPM is cause for a Evacuation and Hazmat level 5 event. Nope. Silence. Nothing happening. No one says a thing. No education. But oh boy, light a cigar or cigarette and IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AND THE SKY IS FALLING!!!


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  • I applaud those men and women who take the time and expense to post data in this area of the forum. Thank you. YOu help the rest of us understand what IS REALLY GOING ON in the world around us.

    Maybe some day, one bright soul will take these data sets and do an analysis with them and plot some trend charts for each region with effective reporting.

    Now that, would be a great article of value.


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  • My surfing blog where i usually report this stuff, as well as at ENENEWS. com

    http://www.surfingsunboy.blogspot.com/


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  • FTR, we stopped eating ALL seafood more than a year ago. All's it takes is one tiny particle of strontium to turn one's bones into black junk.

    And remember, Cesium NEVER existed in nature prior to our nuclear age. It is a by-product of fission. And what cesium does the heart, lungs, and muscle tissue is too horrific to describe.

    And yet the governments tell the people there are SAFE levels of cesium in the world.

    Mass murder is what it is.


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    • vital1 vital1

      "What was in the 30s a year ago, is nearly double that now."

      That is a considerable increase in free air detection in 12 months. I can understand your concern.

      Where I aim located on the East Coast of Australia, we have been getting seasonal increases since Fukushima.

      In summer the day average air born increases can be 50%+ above average background. This happens when the winds come for the equator. The lowest is in winter when we get mostly southern ocean clean air.

      With scintillator testing I have been able to detect small traces or Uranium U-235, plus Iodine I-129, Beryllium Be-7 and Lead Pb-210. If U-235 is in the air, there is a lot more U-238 present. This could explain the large radon washouts here in 2012, 2013 and 2014 in summer. The detection of U-235 has been below what the equipment here can reliably detect for the last few months.

      Be-7 and I-129 can be produced naturally in the upper atmosphere by cosmic ray or solar wind spallation. The debate here is some of the
      Be-7, Pb-210 and I-129 from Fukushima, as the detections of these Isotopes appear to be more than what would be considered normal, here in summer.


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    • Angela_R

      Hi uwantsun, re 'cesium never having existed in nature'
      i am not sure that cesium cannot occur naturally as a singular element. For instance:
      "Cesium occurs naturally in the environment mainly from erosion and weathering of rocks and minerals. It is also released into the air, water and soil through mining and milling of ores."

      Read more:http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/cs.htm

      as I recall,
      Cesium has the atomic number 55. All elements up to and including atomic number 92,(which is uranium), did exist in nature before the nuclear process,although most were found in combination with another element as ore/compounds etc.

      Prior to the splitting of the atom, all isotopes of an element were bound together in the element; i.e. isotopes never existed isolated from their 'siblings'

      However, the nuclear process cuts the bonding. You can find the isotopes of the element cesium that are of concern on wikipedia, cesium 137 is one of them.

      The following link has quite a good article, it mentions cesium 137 and its existence in 50's and 60's and it also shows its ready bonding with chlorides. However, unless I read too quickly, it fails to cover the likelihood of cesium 137 existing alone as an isotope after the accident/s at Fukushima and maybe also via emissions from other nuclear reactors. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/isotopes/cesium.asp

      Sorry, just trying to get across the difference in an element after the nuclear process.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Pretty sure he talking about this..natural cesium is not toxic in its sequestered form like most uranium. We have un-sequestered and processed and then distributed these now radioactive poisons.
        The amount of cesium in foods and drinks depends upon the emission of radioactive cesium through nuclear power plants, mainly through accidents. These accidents have not occurred since the Chernobyl disaster in 1986. People that work in the nuclear power industry may be exposed to higher levels of cesium, but many precautionary measurements can be taken to prevent this.

        Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/cs.htm#ixzz3ERY9fVsr


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  • Hi uwantsun.

    Some of us here have links associated with our screen names. Mine leads to the "RadView" map –for which I've been unable to drum up much participation.

    My dot on the map isn't hard to find today since it's the only one that's up to date on the entire North American west coast.

    You have to click on the dot, then on the thumb –and then further expand the image to see the 2014 graphs.

    This web site presence will soon replace my private pages (which are supposed to evaporate after 10/5) at:

    > http://webpages.charter.net/123goto/map.htm


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    • combomelt combomelt

      at least 6 million people from the mexican "border" to santa barbara, and there ISN'T ONE MONITORING STATION ANYWHERE IN THAT REGION???????
      WHAT THE H?????

      I HOPE THAT SITE GROWS!!!!
      WE NEED ABOUT 500 MONITORS ON THERE AT LEAST!!!!

      ANYHOO, THANKS!


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  • califnative califnative

    uwantsun – thanks for posting your readings in Ventura, CA. I'm south east of you, Tucson AZ so I wonder about the rad plume coming down my way. I periodically take readings as well from my Radex1212 GC uSv/h, I've noticed an increase of 2-3 digits, less sporadic spikes since July and more even elevated numbers since August. I don't separate the background and take the readings as a whole, it's obvious the number increases either way. Last Tuesday Sept 23rd there was an uptick, here are 15 min readings since Sept 15 to date. Also I noticed it doesn't make much difference when the GC is bagged or not, windy, hot, cold the readings aren't that different for me.
    5 min 15.09.2014 06:44 0.12
    5 min 15.09.2014 06:49 0.11
    5 min 15.09.2014 06:54 0.13

    5 min 18.09.2014 08:09 0.11
    5 min 18.09.2014 08:14 0.14
    5 min 18.09.2014 08:19 0.12

    5 min 21.09.2014 18:39 0.12
    5 min 21.09.2014 18:44 0.11
    5 min 21.09.2014 18:49 0.14

    5 min 22.09.2014 08:12 0.13
    5 min 22.09.2014 15:59 0.12
    5 min 22.09.2014 16:04 0.12
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:23 0.15
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:28 0.13
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:33 0.14
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:38 0.13
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:43 0.15
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:48 0.13
    5 min 23.09.2014 08:53 0.14

    5 min 24.09.2014 07:08 0.11
    5 min 24.09.2014 07:13 0.12
    5 min 24.09.2014 07:18 0…


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  • califnative califnative

    Today Sept. 25, 2014 6:00PM PST – 199 CPM
    Station ID 4:919 Tucson, AZ, US
    CPM: current 199 Low 14 High 381
    Average 102, Deviation 55
    (CPM of Beta particles) from NETC.com

    5 min 25.09.2014 17:24 0.13 uvS/h
    5 min 25.09.2014 17:29 0.12
    5 min 25.09.2014 17:34 0.11


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    • califnative califnative

      "Bomb threat Palo Verde NPP building evacuated". http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/26622220/2014/09/24/bomb-threat-prompts-palo-verde-nuclear-power-plant-evacuation

      I've been watching Tucson and Arizona radiation readings increase (rant below) the last few days and just found this piece of news on Radchick Twitter. I'm wondering if this bomb threat is an excuse to evacuate because of some kind of event or leak. Tucson is only 175 miles down wind from Palo Verde NPP.

      Tues 23 rad increase my guiger counter and NETC.com
      Weds 24 Bomb threat received 5:30pm (by who?) nothing found
      Thur 25 Tucson 199 CPM
      Fri. 26 Tucson 327 CPM 8:00AM now 340 CPM 4:00PM. Phoenix is 221 CPM.

      Sounds fishy to me.


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      • combomelt combomelt

        Authorities say the evacuation and search had no impact on plant operations.

        A spokesman for Arizona Public Service, which operates the power plant for a consortium of utility companies, says Palo Verde security officials
        <b>don't view the incident as a credible threat because of the levels of security to get to the building.</b>

        THEN WHY DID THEY EVACUATE THE MOST SECURE PLACE ??!!!!??


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  • califnative califnative

    What The Hell! 327 CPM Why is Tucson such a sporadic hotspot? This will happen more often everywhere across the US, high readings out of no where, don't know why, don't know how to find out, anger with the government/EPA, helplessness, ENEnews is the only place to come to vent, post and share what is happening in my corner of the world because we're all wondering how bad is it really going get? Perhaps my agitation and irritability is from leaving the window open last night and breathing in more silent radiation from FUCKUSHIMA! When I do my own GC reading this morning I don't even see a slight increase.

    327 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 4:919 Tucson, AZ, US
    CPM: current 327 Low 14 High 381
    Average 102, Deviation 55.3
    (CPM of Beta particles)
    Last updated: 2014-09-26 13:09:00

    Radex1212 uSv/h (readings are lower since yesterday)
    5 min 26.09.2014 07:35 0.10
    5 min 26.09.2014 08:37 0.12
    5 min 26.09.2014 08:42 0.11
    5 min 26.09.2014 08:47 0.12
    5 min 26.09.2014 08:52 0.12
    5 min 26.09.2014 08:57 0.11
    5 min 26.09.2014 09:02 0.12
    5 min 26.09.2014 09:07 0.11

    http://www.enviroreporter.com/radnet-air-monitoring


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      CaliNative, if it's any consolation, Central CA got much higher readings yesterday when it rained here.

      We had a geoengineered rainstorm. The jet stream was approaching us. The clouds were heavily seeded three days prior to the storm.

      We'd better get used to radioactive rain-outs, because it looks like they are here to stay.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Rain here in California's Central Valley yesterday, with jet stream passing overhead. Weather forecasts said rain in evening, then afternoon, (for Bay Area), then forecast for Sacramento changed to rain during the night Monday night and Tuesday morning.

    CPM counts per minute yesterday morning (Beta) from my Inspector exrtreme averaged from 39 CPM to 48 CPM. My instrument is not that sensitive, so actual readings were probably more in the range of 390 CPM to 480 CPM.

    The readings were taken indoors, with HEPA filters going full blast, heating/cooling system shut off, windows closed, and Inspector inside a plastic bag.

    Took 10 minute count earlier in the morning, avg. was 48 CPM. Then over the following hour, just before the rainstorm ended, took a 66 minute count, and divided total by 66 to get 37 CPM.

    Am sure if those readings were all taken earlier in the morning, they would have been much higher.

    Avg. microsieverts per hour were about 0.137 to .015 during the storm. Immediately afterward they dropped down to about 0.88 to 0.117.

    Garden was not covered in time. Got caught out in the rain this time. (Sigh). Time to build that new greenhouse & build the covers for the raised beds in the garden ….


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  • Checkmate

    Cal and Uwant, I totally agree with you about the radiation doubling as is happening around southern Wis. and northern Ill. The averages here have really increased since the beginning of Jul. this year. The averages have went from a +50% up to a +450%+ and then back down, but never less than +50% higher than previous averages. This last year is displaying even new higher averages than say in the past year and a half, thus, I expect we are in a accelerating phase. The readings are based on the outside only, but this is fascinating as the inside is staying about the same in averages from 1 and 1/2 years ago. Seems to indicate more alpha and beta emissions (outside) as the gamma is about same average inside.


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  • Checkmate

    To the readings on Netc.com of the EPA 5 sites…I add 128 cpms to each- Madison and Milwaukee to their reported numbers and I add 238 cpms to each of Aurora and Chicago figures. After doing a little research and number crunching I feel that I am in the ball park of the true readings. Of course, I have also looked at the charts and feel that maybe the current reported readings have occurred two or three days ago too. Who knows, but by comparing…


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  • Checkmate

    Forgot to mention, the Inspector Alert is not in a baggie inside and the windows are always shut and the HEPA filter is always running… and inside seem to have same averages on GC as 1and 1/2 yrs. ago…


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  • califnative califnative

    Hi HoTaters – thank you, didn't mean to sound like I was the only poor soul getting higher readings over here, was venting my anger and frustration. Boy can I relate to your situation :( I lived in San Mateo, CA over 30 years, between 2008-2013 lived in Sunnyvale in a manufactured home (mobile home) during 3/11, these houses require continuous outside air to circulate inside, I remember the major rain storm there days after 3/11, became aware of geoengineering 3 years ago (heavy spraying in CA), totally agree with you there, basically couldn't wait to leave and found my opportunity November 2013, just before leaving, doctor said I had an abnormality after a mamogram, thankfully the biopsy was negative but would bet my life on it this breast cancer scare was a result of being in California 3 years after 3/11. Now I live in Tucson, depending on the wind next to WIPP >:(

    Anyway, thank you for sharing your corner of the world. It really helps to know what we're all experiencing.

    Thanks for your feedback too Checkmate.

    Here are a few articles I was reading today, I have family and friends in San Francisco and a dear friend lives on the coast in Pacifica.

    http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/california-ground-zero-for-fukushima-radiation/#LO2ILFswPGI1cVoL.99

    http://drsircus.com/world-news/forgetting-fukushima-radiation


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  • vital1 vital1

    @ combomelt I replied to your post query "build a top o' the line facilty for testing" above.


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  • Checkmate

    Does anyone know the answer to this question: Most of the chem-trails in the air contain metal particles, such as Aluminum and Nickel. Of course these particles fall back to earth, but do they become radioactive in the atmosphere before they fall? And wouldn't this drive up the GC monitoring of the air?
    Thanks for any answers or comments…


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  • califnative califnative

    Elevated readings this morning, Tucson AZ. Radex1212 GC uSv/h, observed uptick during slight breeze, lymph nodes around neck feel swollen today.
    5 min 27.09.2014 06:07 0.12
    5 min 27.09.2014 06:12 0.15
    5 min 27.09.2014 06:17 0.15
    5 min 27.09.2014 06:22 0.12
    5 min 27.09.2014 06:27 0.12
    5 min 27.09.2014 06:32 0.13

    I'd reference netc.com but after yesterdays reading from 340CPM to 25CPM within a few hours, I can't help but think EPA rigs their monitors.


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  • @ Checkmate: It's my understanding that radioactive isotopes in the atmosphere can attach to any particulate matter. When my initial air filter radon daughter CPMs are high, I worry that it's not so much about the presence of radioactive isotopes –as it is about the vehicles they ride on: pollen, smoke, dust.

    There was a period when smudged filters read high –but then other periods when clean looking filters also read high. (I do periodic 2-hour long, 40 cubic meter air draws through a 2 inch diameter, 3M, N95, filter patch.)

    ** So I join Checkmate in asking if anyone can sort out these issues for us.

    @ Vital-1: Before the LND-7317 pancake G-M tube in my Inspector flat-lined (see:
    > http://webpages.charter.net/123goto/map.htm#upd
    –for the fix), I carefully checked my air filters and other samples for alpha and beta components –as best I could. by using aluminum and paper blocking (similar to the Gamma-Scout method). I did this work on my test bench in a controlled, background monitored environment.

    * Surely: looking for long lasting/residual radiation, and being able to somewhat sort out the alpha and beta from the gamma –is a helpful screening step in deciding whether to request gamma spectrometry on a filter or sample.

    * That being said: I have to question the suitability of delicate, windowed, G-M tube instruments for general monitoring –unless one troubles to block the window with aluminum (Gamma Scout style). (continued –


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    • I think we'd be better off to have everyone "on the same page" by posting reports on gamma CPM averages (and, necessarily, a bit of hard beta). The detection of any significant beta or alpha would then be added as a comment or special alert.

      ** Especially when it comes to wipes and filters, the usual experience here has been a high initial count, the majority of which appeared to be beta.

      * For general background monitoring With an LND-7317 tube, I had to hoist my Inspector 10 feet in the air to make what's left of the hard beta ground component insignificant, whereas a metal SBM-20 tube appears to stop seeing hard beta at about a meter off the ground.

      * On the ground (sand or rock) readings with any Geiger counter can be very biased with beta.

      I'm recalling old tests here, so although I only have an SBM-20 tube instrument now, best I do some new tests –in an effort to make sure I know what I'm talking about. I'll then post again.


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      • vital1 vital1

        "Surely: looking for long lasting/residual radiation, and being able to somewhat sort out the alpha and beta from the gamma –is a helpful screening step in deciding whether to request gamma spectrometry on a filter or sample."

        My opinion:

        If you have any Geiger counter elevated detection on an air filter or car wipe, even if it only shows longer term or short term elevation, it is worth scintillator testing.

        Geiger counters just don't have the sensitivity to detect the low levels of contamination that can be potentially harmful. These can be hidden in the Radon washouts which give you the short term highs. These trace contaminants may not be detected by the average persons doing a long count Geiger counter test. Still, long count sample testing is worth doing.

        I see no problem using sensitive pancake tubes that can detect Alpha, Beta and Gamma for environmental monitoring. We are looking for background changes across as wide an energy spectrum as we can get. For general monitoring, keeping the sensitive Geiger counter in the same location around a meter off the ground acts as a natural filter for Alpha and Beta anyway, for normal area passing by.

        The environmental radiation monitoring stations set up here use a very sensitive Russian pancake tube, with a protective grill in place to protect the sensitive mica window from damage.

        They also have a very thin replaceable plastic film over the grill to protect them from dust.


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        • vital1 vital1

          Typo correction,
          For general monitoring, keeping the sensitive Geiger counter in the same location around a meter off the ground acts as a natural filter for Alpha and Beta anyway, for normal air passing by.


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  • vital1 vital1

    You may miss detecting something significant by having to much filtering in place.

    Having everyone on the same page maybe nice ideal. I think the best that can be achieved in an open forum like this, is to try and educate as many people as possible how to use their Geiger counter well, and get the best out of it.

    In my opinion whether CPM, uSv/hr or uR/hr should be used for post reports is not that important. Ok, uSv/hr may not reflect the real actual dose your exposed to. Geiger counters all calculate the uSv/hr and uR/hr from the CPM detection, this calculation is based on a fixed ratio anyway. So all the measurements are related to the CPM detection of the Geiger counter.

    It maybe more important to know in any measurement system what is the pre-Fukushima normal for your area. You then can tell, when and if it has changed significantly.

    For general background monitoring reporting, maybe a better system would be to indicate how many times above your pre-Fukushima normal the local background detection is.


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    • * I really appreciate your counsel with respect to filtering and monitoring practice, Vital-1. I've been struggling to come out right (and consistent) at our home and the 2 remote stations we've been tracking.

      The more I look at monitoring numbers, the more they seem to squirm.

      This all came about after re-assigning my Inspector (with an SBM-20 now) from doing beach station checks to stationary CPM duty inside lead shielding at home –in an effort to get a handle on the muon thing. That meant putting my Radex-1503 back to work.

      * To my surprise, I found that both the original wooden rest for my Radex-1503 and then the replacement I made gave a little boost to the CPMs –beta, apparently, and so did a meter-high aluminum pole I'd placed beneath it –something about where the aluminum joined the wood. Arghhh. I got away from that problem and retroactively adjusted 3 recent CPM averages down by 9%.

      * I agree that any aberrant filters deserve gamma spectrometry, but after running scores of air draws, elevated initial counts with 40 minute half-life cycles which go to background don't seem aberrant.

      ** After the adjustments, I did end up with a stand-out bump in the CPMs at our "SB" ocean beach station, which appears to have peaked on or about the 19th. This came of reading drying froth/detritus at the apparent most recent high water shore line. I'm pretty sure it was gamma. The (presumed) muons dipped that day. (see the link)


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  • bo bo

    Hello radiation monitoring enthusiasts – I have a question – does anybody know if radiation gets worse with volcanic ash ( do radionuclides attach to them ) just as it does with snow/ rainfall?

    I'm looking at the map of Japan and see higher readings around the area with ash fall.

    Reason I ask this is I've always wondered why south tip of Japan is often lit up on the map & wondered if it's connected to Sakurajima ash. Just crackpot theories..

    So many Radcon 5s on the East Coast today.. omg :(


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    • Hi bo.

      That's similar to the question Checkmate asked (above), which I joined in on in asking as well. With any mining, fracking, extraction or even new foundations and basements for housing, a significant amount of "NORM" gets released, so I'd guess that's the case with a volcano as well –plus it supplies plenty of particulate matter for any isotopes in the air to attach.

      Okay –I've just Googled, and here's your answer:

      > http://www.natureasia.com/en/research/highlight/9003

      –a big, and rather dreadful: "YES".

      (Sorry about that.)

      Craig


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      • Here's another link about the same story:

        > http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/plutonium-from-nuclear-tests-lingers-in-the-atmosphere-180948081/?no-ist

        Both articles contain the same fallacy: not to worry because the particles are in low concentration (or are so small –unclear).

        I trust we're all aware that a pound of plutonium/whatever, if anything, kills more people (world wide) if thinly and widely distributed.

        From this 2nd article:

        > "When the [Eyjafjallajökull] volcano erupted, researchers in Switzerland began taking aerosol samples from the troposphere, and they found elevated concentrations of radioactive particles. Levels of plutonium and cesium (another byproduct of nuclear testing) were up to three orders of magnitude higher than levels found in aerosols at ground level."

        and it gets worse:

        "–nuclear testing and the satellite breakup are the biggest sources of radioactive particles in the atmosphere"

        and they hasten to add:

        "It’s not enough radioactivity for people to worry about—someone born after the tests were done isn’t going to get cancer from plutonium particles in the stratosphere."

        Sweetjeez

        Craig


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        • bo bo

          Thank you so much Craig. I didn't realize there was already a similar discussion on this from above, I appreciate all the information.

          The summary of the second smithsonian article is so typical… 'oh… it's not really that dangerous.. but we're measuring it because it's so cool you get to track air circulation patterns of the earth by using plutonium as a TOOL'

          Just like NPR last year: 'oh… cesium levels are not dangerous.. we're just taking samples because it's so COOL how you can bust fake vintage wine by presence / absence of cesium!'

          And NYT 2 years ago: 'so COOL! we can use cesium as a TOOL to track migratory patterns of tuna! The levels are negligible.. but we're measuring it because science is so cool, and we have so much healthy curiousity about the wonders of nature !'

          Oh.. sorry.. I forgot this is the radiation monitoring forum. I just slipped into main-forum snark mode :(


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        • bo bo

          Three orders of magnitude… and then imagine breathing in those glass particles into your lungs :(


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  • jec jec

    Opportunity to send a dosimeter with a boat across the Pacific! I will send a GMC-300E to the boat, who will go thru the Panama Canal in January. The boat then heads to Galapagos Islands and islands/countries to the West as they cross to Africa. Will get daily updates of the CPM from the radio operator, and will post if this is of interest to this group.


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  • Checkmate

    Yes Jec, It is absolutely of interest to all and I think it is a great idea. Thanks Cal for the site, thanks Craig for info, but I am still unsure if Nickel and Aluminum will hold the same radiative activity as ash and glass, dust, etc.
    Vital, I totally agree with you on measurements of your own areas to know what is happening, but instead of using uSv, mR or cpms I think that the best way to compare measurements across the country is to do it in percentages. Thus if one person had an increase of say 50% from a certain date last year, and another gets a higher percentage in another part of the country from that same date, then both places can be compared- keeping in mind their norms around that date. Yes, it would be wonderful to know your normal prefuku but I can't find the data which probably is destroyed or buried in some archives, probably in old zip files… And the newer computers can't open them…


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  • Checkmate

    This is from ONTOLOGICAL's post

    Barium will electrostatically attract Fuku dust, and the chemtrails have Barium etc. in those sky seed missions they run by the hundreds. So yes the jet winds will pick up more Fuku dust. BUT happening now Cs137 from Chernobyl (April 86) will change in 2016 after its 30.17 year half life into Barium137 so there will be much MORE Barium in the air…

    The Strontium side of the coin will thermal decay from Strontium90 turning into Yittrium90 heat decay for 64 hours, then become metallic Zr90 in 2015 when Chernobyl Sr90 atoms the decay to Yttrium90, then to Zr90. Not good for the air as this stuff will stay in the clouds and sky suspended by a force called repulsion, an electrostatic field where as like forces push away same charged particles as the ground, up from the ground. Wind will take this stuff anywhere. This upcoming Sr90 decay event will be painful for many in their teeth, then Barium137 into Cs137 from Chernobyl later in 2016 will disturb sunshine even further by reflecting it back into space. When Fuku dust bunnies hatch, beginning 2039 things will get dark and painful if anyone is here in basically zero Oxygen after 2041 when the massive Cs137 becomes a fatal blow of Barium137 crystals in the environment. Suffocation, while glowing in the dark from drinking Tritiated water; shivering from the cold dark is what we can expect. More inevitable accidents and dumping will occur, so dismal is the name, doom AND gloom is their game.


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  • Checkmate

    Onto posted this Sept. 28, 2014 at 12:13pm. Please thank, I couldn't copy his name in the above script.
    Craig, does this help us somewhat on the chem fallout???


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    • @Checkmate.

      * Like you, I suspect that metallic particles, being conductive, might not gather radionuclides –but I don't know.

      * There are several ways to report/post in percentages. As an increase or decrease from a fixed baseline –or from a "running average" –over various and variously updated intervals. (40cpm over a base of 30cpm would be a "33% increase" –or simply: "133%".)

      The big thing: getting everyone to nail down a good and valid baseline, then report current readings by using a reasonable averaging period (at least 10 minutes).

      * Ontological implies that mutations from one isotope to another happen like a kitchen timer going off –no. It's a gradual process, for which a half-life merely marks the halfway point. There'll be a little more barium-137 from Chernobyl's Cs-137 in 2016 –than we already have.

      * @jec: Sounds like an excellent project! –especially if each reading is accompanied with a position report and a date.

      ~ Would the 300E simply be used as a "real time" Geiger counter? If so, each day's report would be for just a single, randomly chosen minute –not very meaningful (but better than the 10 to 30 second "instant" sampling window of more expensive GCs).

      I don't believe the 300E has a timed count mode, unless you get that via the software.

      –more:


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      • The GMC-300E and 320 do give you the total count and the total time –at any given moment, for you to log with a PC or by hand (near as I can tell).

        The 9V battery charge circuit in my GMC-200 was pretty basic and blew the supplied battery –after which I defeated it and installed a standard 9V alkaline backup battery (4 years shelf life). Possibly, the lithium battery GMC-320 would be a safer bet –for a long and potentially high temperature voyage –per:

        > http://www.gqelectronicsllc.com/support/GQ_Geiger_Counter_Selection_Guide.png

        * However, if it's to be used as a stand-alone device, something with increased, built-in, no-brainer averaging might be a better idea –like a Radex-1503 (2.6 minutes)or a SOEKS-01M (2 minutes).

        Sorry: I'm not aware of anyone who sells a simple, affordable, gamma/hard beta Geiger counter with an (essential-to-monitoring) selectable timed count (say: 1, 10, 100 minutes).

        Except for its price and low sensitivity, the Gamma-Scout (with the beta shield snapped shut) looks mighty good for studied use:

        > http://www.gamma-scout.com/Download/Manual-EN.pdf

        Craig


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  • Checkmate

    Well here goes…the percentage increase from my observed baseline located outdoors compared to the baseline averages accumulated over a year and a half in this region of the US. Since Aug. 19 of 2014 the averages have spiked up till Aug. 23 and then started a larger climb in Sept. 2014. It appears things really started more or less trend up starting at the beginning of July.
    The latest readings:
    Sept. 22 235% increase.
    " 23 455% "
    " 24 290% "
    " 25 310% "
    " 26 390% "
    " 27 355% "
    " 28 535% "
    " 29 600% "
    These all are the average cpms at their highs occurring once or more consecutive times a day back to back. These results are compared to other GCs around the area. The %s above are the net above normal averages. The lowest averages for each day of the above days is 66% higher above my established baseline. This is occurring from central WI (Milw and Mad included) through the northern IL area (including the suburbs and Chicago). This is all based solely on my opinion from my observation, study and research to which I am an amateur in this field. All my conclusions are my own and not mend to influence anyone, remember before you take any action or make any decisions be sure to consult a professional in this field as I am a amateur and not a professional).


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    • Thank you for your data and analysis Checkmate

      Where are these increased levels coming from?

      Is it mostly from Fukushima? If so, does that mean emissions have been increasing?

      Or is simply that the average background level is rising some percent per year as fallout accumulates with ongoing rain outs.

      Perhaps WIPP and other sources are also rapidly increasing background levels? I understand that burning coal increased radioactivity as well and coal consumption has been growing in China.

      Irrespective of causes, its clear that we face an increasingly contaminated (i.e., "risky") environment and our governments are so captured and corrupted that they will stand by and allow humanity to rush off the cliff toward extinction.


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      • Hi Majia. Despite your earlier declaration of a stand-down, it sounds like I should be following your blog again.

        Despite significant and authoritative reports of fall-out elsewhere, and in places I'd not suspect –like Florida and Switzerland, nearly all is steady here on the west coast of Oregon:

        > http://radviews.com/upload/1411928014374091537.gif

        –save for that beach bump on the 19th. Maybe it's become more an answer of: "it comes from Fukushima, burned up satellites, and NPPs everywhere", with the question: "what's going to bring the stuff down next –rain or volcanic ash?".

        * Yes: burning coal can be a big factor and was identified as a mains source of radioactive particles in classic "wipe" tests (of negatively charged, long aerial wires) before World War 1.

        Besides coal power plants and satellites, places like WIPP, the nuke dumps around St. Louis, and every "normally" functioning NPP –all cast a downwind plume of risk across their neighbors and 'round the world, lasting, high altitude threats (K-85, etc).

        Thanks for the (below) links, Majia and NP.

        Vote Green Party –like your life depends upon it. (Hey: it worked for Germany.)

        Craig


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    • Hi Checkmate.

      It's good to note sustained peaks (that are at least "back to back") –and which I do at 210% or higher, but an "average" is just that: a non-cherry-picked. regularly scheduled period of time, divided into the total counts during that period.

      Your choice of: "same time each day", or a less demanding "same time and day of the week" –or even once per month.

      A logging type Geiger counter does that for you, but (and please correct me if I'm wrong) I understand that GQ's GMC-300/E and GMC-320/+ only log the previous minute –at each data point, even if set to once per hour.

      I should have mentioned the Radex (Quarta) RD-1212. It would be the perfect "poor man's Gamma-Scout" except that it only averages the last 100 seconds (ten 10 second cycles) at each data point, regardless what interval is chosen. But again: that soundly beats (say) reading 30 second samples off the CPM display of your Inspector.

      To do serious monitoring, we have three choices:

      ~ Roll up our sleeves to average and log manually.

      ~ Buy an affordable Geiger counter like the GMC-200 that has a pulse (or other) data port and run it into a good software program.

      ~ Save up to buy a data logging instrument like the Mazur PRM-9000, (Medcom or SEI) Inspector-USB, or the (low sensitivity, rather basic GUI/data interface) Gamma-Scout.

      Craig


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  • nuclear pollution nuclear pollution

    First, thank you to everyone who posts data here.

    Second, did anyone catch this info that says:

    (1) Krypton-85 can affect the global electrical system (Krypton-85 is released from nuclear power plants and nuclear meltdowns)

    and

    (2) they know from nuclear weapon testing that "atmospheric radioactivity increases air’s natural conductivity”

    http://www.pbl.nl/sites/default/files/cms/publicaties/500116003.pdf

    If Krypton-85 is affecting the global electrical system, and atmospheric radioactivity is increasing the air's natural conductivity, could this be causing (a) increases in radiation detection and/or (b) the changes in the colored-skies which Ontological is reporting on?

    Just a thought…

    (if anyone wants to delve into this, do a search on "increase air's electrical conductivity" for scientific papers on this subject)


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  • Checkmate

    Sorry Maji, I really don't know where this radioactivity is coming from…but from what others have said recently, it is happening all over the US. The jet stream is far north and surface winds haven't indicated much about the increase in this area. Personally, I think it is the accumulated fallout decay in the soil plus the ever continuing Fuku and the Japanese government trying to do the impossible cleanup which is creating more trouble. It maybe possible that gov is doing what the good Senator said to spray nuke waste in the air over the US to dispose of it. Maybe this could also explain the extremely high Beta counts in this area besides the Gamma…


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  • califnative califnative

    Nuclearcrimes.org was closed in May 2014. It will not be coming back. The reasons are outlined in my forthcoming book about my activist experiences and the failed radiation monitoring response by the U.S. to the ongoing Fukushima nuclear disaster. The book exposes the biases, deficiencies and manipulations within the dedicated Fukushima environmental radiation monitoring programs of the EPA, FDA and the California Department of Public Health between the years 2011-2014.

    Quote from my book: 'Before Fukushima, I suspected that RadNet's purpose was to placate the worries of Americans, not protect them. But there was no doubt in my mind of its placating role after I studied the EPA response to Fukushima. How could the EPA possibly say that they ensured no hazardous plumes crossed into the U.S. undetected?

    The manipulations in sampling and measurements, the questionable reporting, and the RadNet monitoring density that, on average, places one monitoring station in sections of the U.S. about the same size as the water surface area of Lake Huron (barely improved with adding 10 or 40 or 100 or 500 deployables) amounted to EPA malfeasance at the least, and liability for radiation-related cancers, leukemias, genetic damage and more at the worst.'

    http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/index.php

    I'm grateful for this enenews forum, thank you to those knowledgeable ones here who can explain the complexities of a Geiger Counter reading and the importance of sharing it here.


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  • Just remember this about all that climate change Angenda 21 programming being laid on us.

    Mt Saint Helens blew more CO2 into the atmosphere than the entire output of all of earth since the beginning of the industrial revolution.


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  • Also, this disturbing factoid regarding a change in the ocean currents no seems to be reporting on.

    Every year, in November, in California, the ocean currents take away the sand from the beaches. Every year. In April, every year, they redeposit it back on the beaches from where it is dumped on the continental shelf.

    The last two years, this has changed dramatically.

    This year, the sand DID NOT come back in April, it came back the last week of August and now, the last week of September, the sand is being removed again.

    In the 30 years of my being a beach guy on these many shores, breaks and beaches of SoCal, I and everyone else has never seen this. You used to be able to set your watch by this phenomenom.

    What causes the sand shifts, is the shift in ocean currents from the North in the winter months to the South in the summer months.

    Now it's random, unpredictable, and each year since 2011, it's endless weirdness.

    But the government knows it, cause they are dumping massive amounts of rocks and sands all over the beaches of Ventura and LA county. That we've personally seen and documented.

    But try and find one article or anything about it anywhere. Stranger still, the surf web sites are dead silent on the quite obvious and amazing new paradigm shift.

    That earthquake on3-11-11 did something HUGE to the ocean no one is being told about, though the effects are very visible.

    I have pictures.


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  • Well, it changed the currents, which means the real estate on the ocean floor must have changed. The black out on this info is amazing to me. We surfers notice it, because to us, it's like all the tennis courts have turned orange from green overnight, but no one says anything anywhere about it. So to say.

    I don't think this has a thing to do with Fukushima, except in that both realities extend from that same day, 3-11-11.

    I have current pictures on my blog today about it. In fact, I have a ton of pictures. In Pierpont bay, they had to rebuild the beach at surfers point and C street with huge amounts of boulders and sand because in two months, it took away the entire beach from the pier to the fairgrounds at stables.

    And the whole thing was done quietly. No explanation, no local articles or signage on the beaches. Just trucks and heavy equipment showed up and did the work.

    Best kept secret in California…seems to us.


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  • Sickputer

    Speaking of Mount St Helens…i remember it well in May of 1980 as a young adult. Even as far down as Texas the ash was noticeable.

    It is rebuilding and will blow again someday, but probably not in my lifetime.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mt-St-Helens-building-up-for-next-eruption-277386711.html?mobile=y


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  • wings_of_eagles

    I had my family begin taking Nascent Iodine when I heard Fukushima had blown. We did not approve a classroom excursion to spend the day in San Francisco for the children in our family. At the time, hot particles were found in San Francisco. We got a small monitor and remained in doors as much as possible. We were laughed at by our neighbors. "If it's bad the govt would tell us" The stores sell CA milk, Pelosi sells her wine, and the govt still lies.


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