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Is this a Joke? The UN's "World Environment Day" is June 5th
"Theme: Green Econom: Does it include YOU?"
Well I guess it does if your a nuke worker,
"Green jobs"
"By 2008, over 2.3 million people in just six leading countries in green jobs were employed in this low-carbon sector "
Let us not forget the UN counts Nuclear as "low-carbon". Amazing how those that want to promote nuclear are often afraid to say it…
"•The current mainstream energy sources – oil, coal, gas, etc. "
Whoa, mainstream energy, did you forget nuclear UN?
C'mon you can say it sounds kinda like "New-Clear"
That's it UN now just say it fast "Nuclear"!
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Enoughalready, two days ago, the World Expo in S. Korea opened.
Theme: "The Living Ocean and its Coastlines".
Is that pathetic or what.
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The surealness of governments and media ignoring what is happening is making me question so many things now. If someone told me two years ago this event would happen and the majority of people wouldn't know about it due to an organized cover up I would think they were crazy. Now I can see that big events that discuss important issues while ignoring, denying or avoiding the main problems is one of the components in how people are kept ignorant.
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Off Topic thread moved from Japan Nuclear Expert: Humanity-May 12, 2012 at 4:13 am
If you know of a "better" site where people stay on topic (and w/ black print/white background, not vice versa) please share. At least this one isn't full of ugly trolling. I'd rather read lovey dovey goo and digressions about the age of the earth than the disrespectful anger that is spewed on so many blogs. Request–move off topic discussions to the off-topic Forum. (as done here)
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BleepBlades, thnx but move off-topic threads to this forum pls. When scrolling thru an old thread, looking for info, it's frustrating to have to skim lots of off topic posts. For same reason, pls don't correct typos unless it's important for understanding. Tho patriarchal religions annoy me, I think religious chat/schmoozing is fine, as long as it's moved to this Forum, because people are understandably stressed, and sharing feelings is nearly as important as sharing factual info for figuring out how to respond to this disaster courageously and intelligently rather than like sheep.
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Hey Brd&Bttr, over this way! Admin, I'm new to blogging. What's the protocol for getting people to move off topic threads to the off-topic Forum? I tried, and it ain't workin. (Thnx for apology, B&B.)
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Hi demo, we need to try harder! lol
I know it takes some discipline and from time to time…it just doesn't work!
I'd be happy if someone taps my shoulder and sez: "move along to off-topic forum this way please!"
*peace
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@BnB .. understood your intent about the dinosaurs .. just didn't want to clutter that thread w anymore OT stuff. I like the way you speak up.
Peace back.
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Thanks for stepping up Demo and asking to move OT stuff here.
*Good job* and I am much in favor of it. Sorry if I seemed like I was growling like a bear .. haha .. something one of my 4th graders told me recently.
Take care.
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wow bako, your fourth grader was perceptive .. or you were having a very tough day/month/year. funny what kids can see in us adults
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Good idea to move this discussion over to this forum.
It's been on my mind to thank the person who posted these two links. (Can't find the original post now.) These are xlnt articles; I forwarded them to a couple of others. Posts like this, along with some of the valuable analysis from the more technical people who frequent the website, are what I really like about enenews.
I've said it before – in general I think Admin does a good job running the website, shows good judgment. There is no other website like it; it attracts some bright people whose comments are much appreciated by me & probably by other non-technical types.
Thanks, whoever posted this:
"So, please excuse me if this post is redundant, I am including the 2 links. Both are excellent descriptors of, what are the conditions at Fukushima, & what are the possible resulting effects.
These two articles are an excellent resource for anyone who wants/needs to know what’s happening at Fukushima Daiichi, & what can we expect. Links to these articles have shown up when searching “Fukushima” in Google News; but, they have not been republished in any of the MSM.
http://cuttingthegordianknot.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/houston-we-have-a-problem-no-known-technology-to-deal-with-fukushima/
http://www.alternet.org/environment/155283/the_worst_yet_to_come_why_nuclear_experts_are_calling_fukushima_a_ticking_time-bomb
If these two articles have not been published as headlines on ENEnews, they should be."
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@many moons, re 9/11, have you checked out the work of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth? A lot of good info there.
AE911Truth.org **
The timeless documentary that exploded onto the 9/11 Truth scene in 2007 to expose the truth about the WTC skyscraper demolitions is finally available for download …
http://www.ae911truth.org
And check out this short vid compilation – keeping in mind that Bldg. 7 sustained virtually no damage, was not hit by a plane, and dropped at free-fall speed in the classic controlled demolition pattern.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
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Hi bleep, remarkable video…whether it was an "inside job" or not, my heart still skips a beat whenever I see one of those WTC videos.
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some might find this of interest; especially considering what's pending, to the east of us…
"After several years of development, the Commercial Mobile Alert System (CMAS) has been activated, allowing public safety authorities to send alerts to cell phone users anywhere, anytime—without the need for customers to opt in. Not since the Emergency Broadcast System in the 1960s has there been such a broad alerting initiative in the U.S."
http://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/ShowPR~PUBCODE~055~ACCT~0000100~ISSUE~1205~RELTYPE~blog~PRODCODE~000000~PRODLETT~GS.html?et_cid=2643670&et_rid=384793857&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wirelessdesignmag.com%2fShowPR~PUBCODE~055~ACCT~0000100~ISSUE~1205~RELTYPE~blog~PRODCODE~000000~PRODLETT~GS.html
this site features some of the players behind this emergency service program…
"Galain Solutions, Inc. is the world’s leading independent consultancy on alert and warning practices and technologies."
http://www.galainsolutions.com/
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sorry kids. First link didn't work. Hopefully, this one will…
http://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/ShowPR~PUBCODE~055~ACCT~0000100~ISSUE~1205~RELTYPE~blog~PRODCODE~000000~PRODLETT~GS.html
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it does. Suck how you can't test 'em until after the fact…
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A Basic Call to Consciousness
The Hau de no sau nee Address to the Western World
Geneva, Switzerland, Autumn 1977
http://www.ratical.com/many_worlds/6Nations/6nations1.html#part1
It was not long ago that the Hau de no sau nee, or Six Nations, were a powerful people, occupying a vast territory stretching from Vermont to Ohio, and from present day Quebec to Tennessee. At the period of first contact early during the 17th century, the Hau de no sau nee occupied hundreds of towns and villages throughout the country…
The Hau de no sau nee, the traditional Six nations council at Onondaga, sent forth three papers which constitute an abbreviated analysis of Western history, and which call for a consciousness of the Sacred Web of Life in the Universe.
It is a call which can be expected to be both ignored and misunderstood for some period of time. But the position papers themselves are absolutely unique — they constitute a political statement, presented to a representative world body, pointing to the destruction of the Natural World and the Natural World peoples as the clearest indicator that human beings are in trouble on this planet. It is a call to a basic consciousness which has ancient roots and ultra-modern, even futuristic, manifestations…
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SPIRITUALISM
THE HIGHEST FORM OF POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS
THE HAU DE NO SAU NEE MESSAGE TO THE WESTERN WORLD
The Hau de no sau nee, or the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy, has existed on this land since the beginning of human memory. Our culture is among the most ancient continuously existing cultures in the world. We still remember the earliest doings of human beings. We remember the original instructions of the Creators of Life on this place we call Etenoha — Mother Earth. We are the spiritual guardians of this place. We are the Ongwhehonwhe — the Real People…
The Western culture has been horribly exploitative and destructive of the Natural World. Over 140 species of birds and animals were utterly destroyed since the European arrival in the Americas, largely because they were unusable in the eyes of the invaders. The forests were leveled, the waters polluted, the Native people subjected to genocide. The vast herds of herbivores were reduced to mere handfuls, the buffalo nearly became extinct. Western technology and the people who have employed it have been the most amazingly destructive forces in all of human history. No natural disaster has ever destroyed as much. Not even the Ice Ages counted as many victims..
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But like the hardwood forests, the fossil fuels are also finite resources. As the second half of the Twentieth Century has progressed, the people of the West have begun looking to other forms of energy to motivate their technology. Their eyes have settled on atomic energy, a form of energy production which has by-products which are the most poisonous substances ever known to Man.
Today the species of Man is facing a question of the very survival of the species. The way of life known as Western Civilization is on a death path on which their own culture has no viable answers. When faced with the reality of their own destructiveness, they can only go forward into areas of more efficient destruction. The appearance of Plutonium on this planet is the clearest of signals that our species is in trouble. It is a signal which most Westerners have chosen to ignore.
The air is foul, the waters poisoned, the trees dying, the animals are disappearing. We think even the systems of weather are changing. Our ancient teaching warned us that if Man interfered with the Natural Laws, these things would come to be. When the last of the Natural Way of Life is gone, all hope for human survival will be gone with it. And our Way of Life is fast disappearing, a victim of the destructive processes.
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Thanks Bobby1. So very sad but true.
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good stuff Bobby1…
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PDF'd all three sections for hardcopy printing. Thanks again…
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All too true Bobby1!
The Native Americaricans are the truest bloodline,….sticking very close to their cultures handed down by those who knew IT ALL!
We westerners have MUCH to learn for you.
I am listening. My ear and heart are to the ground, listening to Mother Earth!
I am sorry I belong to the race of peoples who ruined Mother Earth.
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um. Did you miss that the Mayans destroyed their lands with deforestation? Were they white?
You have racial guilt that is inherently racist. Also, the Native Americans, and the Haudonasee weren't the first people. They were the most resent form of republic govt that this Continent had, before european influence, but they were not the first.
Im not trying to pick on you, but you should check that white guilt. It leads to more racism.
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Hi StillJill, THIS is what I said yesterday:
"I know, dinosaurs are not in the Bible. Nevertheless they existed.
*peace"
1) this statement was not "out of nowhere", but a reaction to americancommentr's claim that "the earth only exists for a couple of thousands of years" (or similar).
2) You said dinosaurs were in the bible.
3) StPaulScott asked you for a quote. (I DID NOT want to ask that question for good reasons)
4) At NO time I "besmirched" your favourite book or your god – I literally said "I don't hate God, Buddha or whatever it's called – it's just not my cup of tea."
I'm sorry if you felt offended, you should know me long enough to know that that is not my intention.
I respect your and everyone's else's beliefs – while I ask for respect for my opinion: that many evangelical churches are multimillion dollar corporations with a political agenda.
I thought we already agreed to disagreed over that one?
*peace
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BreadAndButter
May 11, 2012 at 11:11 am · Reply
"The earth is not more than several thousand years old." HUH???
"There should be a 'backdoor' for dealing with the problem of nuclear contamination. There's a microbe for everything, it seems."
I guess that's what the NRC/IAEA/nuke operators hope as well….
I know, dinosaurs are not in the Bible. Nevertheless they existed.
*peace
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StillJill
May 11, 2012 at 11:32 am · Reply
Yes they are B&B. Have you read the entire WORD? (Just sayin)!
They are in there,….you just have to read with an open mind. Hard thing to come by,…these days!
B&B,….at 11:11 YOU bought it up. At 11:32 I defended my bible!
Please get your accusations straight friend,…or please don't post to me.
Thank you,
StillJill and God.
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Hey Jill, I get the impression you're on a crusade to "defend the righteous path" or whatever.
I did not "accuse" anyone of anything. If expressing an opinion comes across as an accusation for you, I'm sorry.
I had the impression despite our different opinions on several topics we got along very well the past year.
If your religious beliefs won't allow you to view things from a different angle, but make you willing to stop knowing me because I doubted there are dinosaure in the bible, then be it.
This is getting ridiculous, and if you were in my kitchen now, I'd get a beer out and say "cheers friend".
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I will have a beer and cheers with you! Or (ok putting on flame retardant suit) .. I! Will! Have! ..
Regards .. peace .. to that cold one .. and a better world.
Bako
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Anytime, bako! Would love to!
*peace
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this is a funny argument!
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Hi el, well, sort of. On the other hand, not so much.
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According to studies, around 80-90% of Americans believe in a divinity, so the absolute best way to reach them about the evils of nuclear power may be exactly through that faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html
So richard, snowwy, BreadandButter, and other astute commentators, can we please tolerate the religious references for the potentially really important work that they do?
Can we pick our battles right now, and put criticism of the nuclear industry first?
Religious discourse will be very helpful in that fight, especially for readers in the U.S.. Shutting down religious discourse does not help us in this fight, not with 9 out of 10 believing in the divine.
While the Bible was used to justify slavery, anti-slavery activists were able to also use the Bible to effectively fight against slavery, and people here have been able to use it to fight against nuclear. Can we please help enable them to continue to use the Bible against the nuclear industry? Apologies to everyone I have offended, probably all sides.
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@NoNukes .. since I just had a beer cheer and donned my flame proof suit I'm gonna just say one thing to your comment ..
80 to 90 per cent who do believe in a divinity (or a higher power or a goddess or eastern religions) .. are not necessarily fundamental Christians ..
Or is that actually what the wiki quote you reference says?
And there we get into some philosophical arguments that .. last time I checked .. are still antithetical to our Founding Fathers' writ of religious freedom and Constitution.
Peace.
Bako
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Bako,
I live in the land of heathens and godless people, and there are still churches on many corners. I can only imagine how things are in Bako. In my life so far, I have found that people's intelligence or morality has no correlation with their religious beliefs.
All I am suggesting is that religious discourse is probably very important in the anti-nuclear movement. Martin Luther King, Jr. was not the only one to put religious discourse to great effect, Malcolm X also employed it effectively, it may be self-defeating to try to exclude it.
The Nuclear Industry is the biggest threat to all of us. If atheists want to live long enough to get rid of religion, first we will have to shut down nuclear power.
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NoNukes has wisdom she speaks.
Having just lost a dear dog friend,…..the timing of this attack is quite expected.
My Brother Jesus was similarly set up,…when He was at His most tired and had helped the dead and dying. The darkness chooses it's timing very carefully!
Friends? Yes,…just like Judas and Jesus!
P.S. I was mean after beer cheers too!
No worries!
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StillJill,
I'm so sorry to hear about Mama, may she rest in peace. There is nothing like the love of a faithful friend, especially one who will dry your tears. Unforgettable.
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@Jill ..
you make no sense to me with this answer .. (fuck .. flame suit back on ..)
OK .. losses .. My dad died this year; his strong heart just crapped out .. guess when .. right after Fukushitty .. when he moved back to one of the most notoriously toxic air places on the west US coast .. google air quality in Bakersfield .. google extreme radiation concerns about this stinking valley.
Sorry about Nonukes' dog .. my Dad is dead.
Re your thoughts about me being an agent of the enemy because I am not part of your Fundy Faith. I know the MO bc I have been there done that. It's an exclusive we are the only ones saved branch of Christianity I find actually quite detrimental to God and Jesus' teachings. It promotes racism intolerance and violence in its extreme range.
I can promise you that over this last year I have fasted and prayed for a better place .. but I actually don't give a crap what you think of me or my faith. I think you have trolled here ignoring pleas to stay on topic re religion and exclamation points and have been picking fights wherever you can.
Let's not do this again .. thanks .. but decline to have beer with you.
So .. you poked the bear .. happy? Feel the peacemaker Jesus inside of you?
That's what is wrong IMHO with your side.
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There is NOTHING humble about you.
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StillJill I have your back if you need me!
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Thanks CB,…..if the arrows start coming from all four directions,…I'll holler my friend! Thanks BIG! But, as it is,….I'm just starting to have FUN!
(As you know,….I have an invisible POSSE!)
They are taking note,….making a list and checking it twice.
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice,……
You get the drift my good and constant companion!
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Have all the fun you want Jill. I am glad you find this all so enjoyable.
I am done with it.
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I am glad you are glad!
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I don't know how to say this anyway else. I like you, but I hate when you behave like this. We should be discussing Fukushima and Japan, not your religious beliefs and petty fights. Come on Jill!
Back in the day I'd ask you to Get A Grip Girl! Shit.
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bako,
I'm so sorry to hear about your dad. It is heartbreaking.
StillJill has been so kind to me, and my daughter has never seen the inside of a church. I haven't seen her be exclusionary, or fundamentalist, and is so persuasive in her anti-nuclear stance.
The radiation could kill all of us not matter what, I believe that should be the focus.
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Thank you NoNukes. Like most little girls at heart .. my dad was my hero .. I miss him so much. I miss his strength, his advice .. our lunch dates .. his always being here.
Peace.
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bako,
My eyes are cloudy with the thought of your loss, and all of the losses that will never be listed on any balance sheet.
What was your dad's favorite joke? My dad's is how he voted for Richard Nixon 3 times.
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Hi Nonukes .
.. Papa's favorite joke .. ahh I think my favorite is one of our inside jokes.
Haha .. I first time registered to vote to vote against Nixon .. pissed my Dad off.
I am a violinist .. I teach now.
My Dad loved jazz amd country even bluegrass but knows (knew) almost zero about classical music. Once when I was a kid he told me he wouldn't pay for anymore lessons until I learned how to Orange Blossom Special and Devil's Dream.
I did ..
Even so he faithfully and lovingly attended my concerts thru school, all state, college and beyond. Every time when we would catch eyes from stage to audience .. he would smile .. tap his watch and hold it to his ear .. as if he couldn't wait .. time passing too slowly for all this highbrow stuff he didn't understand .. he always cracked that every concert started with the ancienct chinese song .. too ning ..
Others ..
.. TMI for this forum .. my glasses are streaked so much with tears = can't hardly see thru them.
Peace .. thanks .. best.
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What a beautiful story and tribute to your father, Bako. I am so sorry for your loss and share your pain.
My mother passed away in March after failing health due to having a stroke last June (post-Fuku), which I attribute to exposure to I-131.
My mother was the rock of our family and the light of our lives. I miss her more than words can say…
May you find some comfort in knowing you have friends here who care about you and wish you solace and peace in your heart.
Wishing you and all here who are mothers a very happy Mother's Day.
G'nite.
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Happy Mother's Day to you too, WATK!
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Thank you, StillJill. You too.
I G'nite.
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@WATheKids .. sorry about your Mom. Understand and remember how awful Father's Day was wo him here.
Hope you feel a loving and healing kiss from her ..
Thanks for the note.
Happy Day to Moms .. let those kids spoil you.
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What-About-The-Kids,
I'm so sorry for the loss of your mom, it must be beyond words, although you have found some very eloquent ones. It is heartbreaking. I am thinking of you today, and hope that you have a Happy Mother's Day, too!
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bako,
I love that story! I can just picture him in the audience, tapping his watch, his eyes filled with pride. What a gift, it must have made you feel much less nervous, especially when you were young. "Too ning" is a classic
. I'm so sorry for your loss of such a man who would insist on Orange Blossom Special and Devil's Dream, he had his priorities right.
Thanks, bako!
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Thank you NoNukes .. very much .. I am glad sharing my story about my Dad touched your heart.
It is my honor to have him as my Papa.
Take good care and thanks for the hug.
.. peace.
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Nice rant, Bako.
Very sorry about your father.
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@bako, your sudden entrance here is explosive. I think your here on a mission to disrupt the core of intel. Your entrance is larger than life. Bleep, NoNukes, Anthony, can you see the tool used by bako to disrupt the pecking order here? We must support each other.
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I LOVE stilljill. I WISH she would steer us back to smoother waters… please!!!! I always support her.
I got a different and positive vibe from Bako personally. But I DO agree with your message. We have lost too many regulars lately. We need to stick together through these scary new days for sure.
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And StillJill Loves Anthony! Have from the very first post. His heart and mind are one,….and I sense that.
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Anthony, I'm glad you didn't take the offense. Yes we have lost too many regulars lately. Its not about StillJill, its about fact finding. The more informants we loose, the less this site has to offer. Whatever form or shape of character, level of knowledge, each brings something to the table. We cannot afford to fight among ourselves.
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Agreed and we don't need to fight each other.
I wouldn't be surprised if this collective plays an important role in the near future. Peace.
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Peace.
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I don't know why but I always think that StillJill looks like stan's wife in American dad. Sorry StillJill in this offends but i'm just saying. But your calm and sage advice and caring makes this forum all the richer. Thank you.
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You mean Francine!!!! lol!!
Francine cuts me up constantly!
StillJill's funny too. And she's a bighearted person… hard to find these days.
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Thank you The blue light! Francine it is!
Well then,…it's settled.
All you haters are not gonna like this,…..
I'm stayin!
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CB, you won't get support from me re an attack on Bako. Bako seems just fine to me and always has.
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Thanks Bleep. Appreciate.
Will always remember you were the first to greet me here too.
Stay strong and well. Best.
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Bako seems fine to me; it's SJ who seems to be a source of trouble. She is busy trying to curry friends with declarations of love while making unkind & hostile remarks to any who displease her. She is the opposite of a peacemaker.
Bako said something about Jill being a troll & I have wondered the same thing because she seems quite manipulative.
Also, Fundy Christians have in the past impressed me as far-out eccentrics/extremists; here on this website they are again making the same impression on me. It took me a while to identify them as Fundys (I tend to be hopelessly naive re people.)
Jill flatters, curries favor with some, goes into attack mode with others… I am wondering just how much of the problems here trace back to her & other Fundys.
I know Fundamentalists because I lived with one for several years, a very bright but very screwed up guy. Scary actually. Had been physically violent with his wife & kids & was known to the cops.
Many Fundys have anger issues because of the ultra-strict upbringing (that goes against what child psychology teaches us about the emotional needs of children & the best parenting styles to produce emotionally healthy children). Fundamentalist ideas also fly in the face of the findings of geology and other sciences.
The Bible cannot be literally true (as Fundamentalism maintains) because it is self-contradictory in certain areas.
Enenews has lost contributors & focus – is part of the cause – Fundies?
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Hi there bleep, let's argue (if we have to) about the topic, not about personalities….I tend to agree with you on the scariness of christian / muslim / jewish / … fundamentalism, but let's not link this criticism to personal attacks.
There's always more sides to every story, and every person has many facettes – as you and I know
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Below is what CB wrote above – a personal attack on Bako. I have no problems at all with Bako. I see SJ as possibly disruptive, manipulative. SJ has made a couple of sly digs at me – calling me 'School Marm' etc.- & she makes these rather strange (bewildering) references to 'haters' – when no one here has been expressing hatred. She is constantly telling people she 'loves' them – when as mentioned we really don't know one another well enough to know if we would even like one another as friends. To me, these frequent avowals of love between strangers on a website seem inappropriate & possibly manipulative (tending to create in the recipient a vague feeling of obligation to experience/ express similar feelings).
Re making personal remarks: CB wrote –
"@bako, your sudden entrance here is explosive. I think your here on a mission to disrupt the core of intel. Your entrance is larger than life. Bleep, NoNukes, Anthony, can you see the tool used by bako to disrupt the pecking order here? We must support each other."
The ISSUES should be our focus – not personal squabbles, maneuvering, or declarations of love.
The rather far-fetched/contrarian tenants of fundamentalist Christianity (or any other variety of fundamentalism) which SJ (& others) have introduced into discussions here seem way outside the website's focus of interest, which is the dangers of nuclear power & weapons, especially the Fuku. disaster & its consequences for us all.
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Rolls eyes, oh brother. You all have fun.
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not exactly! but hey, it's another day.
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The reason people are leaving may be due to the attacks leveled by you. You spend less time posting information about Fukushima than anyone on this blog, IMHO. You also talk about religion more than anyone else also, IMHO.
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Morning bako, I just woke up to read about your loss. I'm very sorry and hope you will feel better soon….
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Thanks BnB .. appreciate ..
Guess since you just woke up it's too early for that beer ..
..
Someday I hope.
Take best care.
Bako
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Here we have proof that we should just agree to respect differences of opinion re religion, race, politics – should give these divisive subjects wide berth, here on this website, and focus on the subject that is the reason for the website's existence and our reason for being involved with it – Fukushima and nuclear issues. Period. Re the rest, respectfully agree to disagree and resist the temptation to get tangled up in these endless very emotional discussions/ controversies.
These subjects/disputes – religion, race – are not capable of being resolved/settled by reasoning or intellect – they are emotional, personal – and are very 'hot buttons.'
The founding fathers of our country (USA – the country of most of us) wisely agreed to respect each other's right to their own personal beliefs and focus on the practical matters, concerns, problems that were their main focus and the reason for being involved with one another in the first place.
We should follow suit.
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I agree Bleep.
United we stand
Divided we fall
Lets Stand up together against Nuclear contamination.
Lets fill our minds with information which can help our lives through this disaster.
All the people involved in this digression are good people but the arguments cast people in ways that are counterproductive. I guess we all want to be respected so we all need to respect each other for what binds us and likewise, our differences.
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Yep Bleep!
Another beer for me and it's too hot here to keep wearing my flame proof suit.
Have a nice evening all. Stay strong.
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Off to dinner!
Lots of good opinions here – thanks all (and I mean ALL).
And let's not misunderstand a wholehearted discussion as a personal attack.
*peace all.
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"Dinosaur Ads May Be Ready For Extinction"
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930813&slug=1715809
"By Carol Rosenberg
Knight-Ridder Newspapers
JERUSALEM – A dairy firm hoping to capitalize on the "Jurassic Park" craze has run afoul of Israel's religious community for selling milk with a symbol some rabbis see as sacrilegious: the dinosaur.
The ultra-Orthodox Aguda Israel organization this week gave Tara Dairies of Tel Aviv an ultimatum:
Scrap your prehistoric promotion, which gives free silver dinosaur stickers with each package of milk, or lose your Glatt Kosher certification.
"This is like seeping sacrilege. . . . Dinosaurs symbolize a heresy of the creation of the world because they reflect Darwinistic theories," protested Rabbi Zvi Gefner of Aguda's Religious High Court, which decides which food gets the Glatt Kosher label.
Ultra-Orthodox Jews believe God created the world 5,753 years ago and reject non-biblical theories of creation."
(this is continuing from the thread started here..)
http://enenews.com/japan-nuclear-expert-humanity-as-whole-has-literally-never-experienced-something-like-fukushima-we-will-be-fighting-this-radiation-on-the-order-of-tens-or-hundreds-of-years-video/comment-page-1#comment-246897
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richard,
I've never heard a rational explanation for the radical orthodox spectrum regarding light speed…
… The stars we see today is of the light created BILLIONS if years ago.
So, is the entire universe a hoax perpetrated by their gawd?
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@Max1, yep, i'd wondered about the alternate 'rational' explanation for the speed of light myself. haven't bothered trying to find out.
maybe light's not as slow as we make it out to be? or maybe other systems are actually just next door. but then, why don't they visit more often ?
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Or at least tug…
… Gravitationally, that is.
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man–I wish humans would quit using these animals for their own agendas.
Oil did NOT come from Dinos
Dinos ARE NOT like reptiles-they are more like birds
Dinos neither prove or disprove evolution OR creationism
Dinos appearently ARE NOT Kosher, but who really cares? A small minority
Dinos DID NOT fart themselves into extinction
Religion and Science (yes I know they are the same thing, now) please let the dead rest. They are not here to defend themselves.
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they are not the same thing, now
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ah, Richard. You and I believe the world works in totally different ways.
Science has become a religion- It was corrupted in the early 1900s by eastern Germanic intellectuals like Kant. Look into the philosophical corruption of physics. Sorry, we dont actually use the Scientific Method much anymore. If we did, Id be in agreement with you.
The sun (lower case s) is what keeps the world alive. It deserves respect. But now, that has changed from actual worship of life, to worship of death. It comes down to humanism, or the idea of Man as God. The ones who believe this way,—and these are the people pulling strings in geopolitics today, It is a symbol of worshipping Mans intelligence. You can take that for what its worth. Ive already done my homework and found this claim to be true. You have but to look around you to see that as truth.
How would you feel if you were forced to believe in Man as God? That is where this all leads to.
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An example of how religions are controlled by govts – this is what I remember from previous reading but there is some info about it online. What I recall is that govt. intel. men have gone around & talked to many pastors in many churches and gotten them to agree to support govt. 'no matter what' and to urge their church members to do likewise.
There are these verses in the Bible, Romans 13, 1-7 I believe that are incorrectly interpreted/translated to say in essence 'trust govt. & do what it says, no matter what.' There's one whole sect, Jehovah's Witnesses perhaps, which does interpret that part of the Bible that way & its members are totally politically passive & obedient – 'no matter what.'
The ruling elites have a deep interest in religion – because of its great power over the minds of men – intel agencies like the CIA have traveled the world studying obscure sects – picking their minds & traditions for good ideas re techniques for controlling people.
Project Monarch mind controlled operative Cathy O'Brien was tortured into split personalities from infancy. She went to a Catholic School. There was a group of students at the school who were PROJECT MONARCH (trauma-based mind controlled). (Cathy's book is TRANCE-FORMATION OF AMERICA, co-written with Mark Phillips.) The school knew about this.
Brice Taylor (Susan Ford) was another Project Monarch chosen one. Her father was pastor of some fundamentalist church. (Her book is THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES).
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An example of how religions are controlled by govts – this is what I remember from previous reading but there is some info about it online. What I recall is that govt. intel. men have gone around & talked to many pastors in many churches and gotten them to agree to support govt. 'no matter what' and to urge their church members to do likewise.
There are these verses in the Bible, Romans 13, 1-7, I believe, that are incorrectly interpreted/translated to say in essence 'trust govt. & do what it says, no matter what.' There's one whole sect, Jehovah's Witnesses perhaps, which does interpret that part of the Bible that way & its members are totally politically passive & obedient – 'no matter what.'
The ruling elites have a deep interest in religion – because of its great power over the minds of men – intel agencies like the CIA have traveled the world studying obscure sects – picking their minds & traditions for good ideas re techniques for controlling people.
Project Monarch mind-controlled operative Cathy O'Brien was tortured into split personalities from infancy. She went to a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. There was a group of students at the school who were PROJECT MONARCH (trauma-based mind controlled). (Cathy's book is TRANCE-FORMATION OF AMERICA, co-written with Mark Phillips.) The school knew about this.
Brice Taylor (Susan Ford) was another Project Monarch chosen one. Her father was pastor of some FUNDAMENTALIST CHURCH. (Her book is THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES).
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Susan Ford is from an Illuminati family, the opposite of Christian fundamentalist. The mind control is MKULTRA and has nothing to do with Christianity.
Cathy O'Brien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_O%27Brien
http://trance-formation.com/
http://www.whale.to/b/taylor_q.html
“…Susan Ford, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1496118956250582828# using the pseudonym Brice Taylor, was from an Illuminati family as she relates…”
http://oireland.tripod.com/illuminati.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1496118956250582828#
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Ann, I read Ssusan Ford's book and my recollection is that her dad was a protestant/fundamentalist minister. Yes they were Illuminati – I remember him telling her that she was 'bloodline.' (This was a really big deal to him.)But they can run other kinds of churches without believing in them, and do. (Just as Jim Jones did).
The CIA involves itself with Catholic Schools and churches and they are certainly not Catholics.
Yes MK ULTRA is not 'religious' but my whole point is that cynical USE is made of religion and its 'power over the minds of men.'
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Fundamentalist Christian churches have no heierarchy. Each individual church is separate and there is no one over the individual church.
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TYPO hierarchy
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Top-Secret Illuminati Video Leaked: Illumicorp Into-Part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NLkvgsb6xI
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The Finest Lecture on the Illuminati Part 1 of 15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy624-GQ3Mw&feature=related
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i like Monteiths Agenda 21 info.
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but bleep and anne–
arent the fundmentalists orgs actually led by Freemasonry in US?
Pat robinson, that other guy that died–i cant oh yeah! Jerry Falwel?
They were freemasons of high degree. Christian Fundementalist+Freemasonry=Illuminati
All in the family. See, how they cloak thereselves as Christian? Its a lie.
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Fundamentalist Christians are opposed to fremasonry.
FRONTMEN OF THE ILLUMINATI part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaRaOvTvB2g
FRONTMEN OF THE ILLUMINATI part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkHkZeJys2c&feature=relmfu
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Magick, Mysticism and Masonry – Doc Marquis – Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-L0A2mJOFs&feature=relmfu
Magick, Mysticism and Masonry – Doc Marquis – Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UIqf9d42o&feature=related
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Cuttingedge ministries is a Christian news organization opposed to freemasonry:
TITLE: FREEMASONRY PROVEN TO WORSHIP LUCIFER , PART 3, STUDY OF SYMBOLS
http://www.cuttingedge.org/free13.html
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Of course there are people who call themselves Christian. who are not or who are seriously misguided. However, equating one person with everyone else is prejudicial whatever the label.
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Yes, el, Masonry is a part of it – not sure how powerful it is right now. There are numerous secret organizations, like SKULL & BONES.
A really fascinating book is THE RIPPER AND THE ROYALS by Melvyn Fairclough, forward by Joseph Sickert. Probably can get it cheap used off of Amazon. Freemasonry plays a part here, a big part, in connection with the British royals.
Yes people trust pastors and churches and that is why they make a perfect 'cover' and that is one reason I say, be careful of involving yourself with any organized religion.
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I learned from Bill Cooper
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Another most interesting book is THE ASCENDANCY OF THE SCIENTIFIC DICTATORSHIP by Paul & Phillip Collins.
They are Christians btw. and the book is written from that perspective. I believe in religious toleration because who knows, etc. BUT – I don't believe in getting into one's religious beliefs on a non-religious website. It really is inconsiderate, in my POV – which, to repeat is that "It is an immoral act to try to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught." And probably the chief offenders in this area (in my experience) are the Christian proselytizers.
However – I am in poor health right now, very poor, and worrisome, and guess who has emerged to help me – a Christian neighbor lady, originally Chinese but has long been here in Hawaii, who has gone out of her way to befriend and help and has been so kind and generous. I call her my angel. She has given of her time very generously. Just having her in my life helps as I have no family over here.
I actually admire in Christianity that it can inspire such selflessness and kindness. I have genuinely admired several Christians I have known. I just don't want people preachin' at me in a non-religious venue. In my view, it is inappropriate and inconsiderate.
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yes, el, Bill Cooper was an interesting guy. When you get into the world of spycraft etc. it gets real spooky & hard to sort out the good guys from the bad guys. He was murdered. By govt. almost certainly. I don't really know why. He must have crossed 'a bridge too far.'
Another interesting guy, who was probably 'suicided', and not too long ago, was wild n crazy Hunter S. Thompson (FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS.) I think he was about to spill the beans on some govt. op.
The Murder Of Hunter S. Thompson – Prison Planet.com
Hunter Thompson was working on WTC collapse story before mysterious sudden death, warned he'd be 'suicided' Was Hunter S. Thompson Suicided?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/hunter_s_thompson/ – Proxy – Highlight
It's hard to keep up on all the dark doings of 'our corporate masters'…
Stop the world I wanna get off, etc. (I think that's one reason I'm sick, in fact. My wittle bitty heart is clean broke in two…)
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Anne, thanks for the you tube links. I will check some of them out this evening. You do a lot of reading and research – thanks for sharing some of your finds.
My motto – Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall blow thy tiny little mind…
Brings to mind that old Chinese curse – May you live in interesting times.
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Thanks, bleep. I don't have a tiny, little mind. And, of course, truth includes caring for other people and the planet. What I really hope is that you come to be totally against MOX fuel and all forms of nuclear energy.
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2,300 birds found dead along beaches in Chile
by xdrfox
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2129/022/2,300_birds_found_dead_along_beaches_in_Chile.html
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550 tons of dead farmed salmon Sparks Suspicion, Norway
by xdrfox
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2124/252/550_tons_of_dead_farmed_salmon_Sparks_Suspicion,_Norway.html
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Farmed salmon??? Thanks CB! (And my beloved Doc!)
Farmed? Ohhhhhh,….here 'IT' comes!
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Does anyone have xdrfox POC. Please send to CB2@hushmail.com Thanks
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Dead Fish Mystery, “phenomena” of numerous dead fish appearing on the same day, Spain
by xdrfox
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2124/250/Dead_Fish_Mystery,_phenomena_of_numerous_dead_fish_appearing_on_the_same_day,_Spain.html
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Anne, you gots to develop that good ol' sense of humor! I was not specifically referring to yours as a 'tiny little mind.' Actually I apply that to myself as much as to anyone else.
If I didn't care, you think I'd have made it kind of my life's work, studying all this stuff? (I care so much it hurts like hell, actually.)
You don't know that I already am totally against MOX and nuclear power and nuclear everyting? I thought that went without saying. Else why would I hang out here so obsessively?
Re fundamentalism, however, I have had some involvement with it and I think it tends toward radical fringe. I cannot take seriously any religion that holds that the Bible is literal truth. A lot of rather distorted characters in the Fundamentalist world. (many of them the products of overly strict, spare rod/spoil child parenting, with which I cannot agree.) As I say, I spent some time around some of them back in the PNW.
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There are people here who are not against nuclear power. People are bloggers for all sorts of reasons. Some are here researching for Tavistock or SRI. I don't actually watch all the videos I post. I prefer to read. I believe the Bible literally. And I am just as much against a crusade against Christianity as you are against anyone trying to help you. What teachings in the New Testament do you dislike taking literally? I don't mind when people talk about other religions. I taught a semester of humanities from ancient times though the middle ages in a community college, and learned about other religions from my students. And I have great respect for religious truths. All people worship something. Worship of science of power or money is also a religion, but it doesn't necessarily have much moral value or precepts for daily life that are very honorable.
Dogma isn't very pretty, such as the dogma, "You can't talk about religion on this website." It's like saying, you can't be a person; you can't care about the poor people being hurt by radiation in Japan. You can't cry for the animals dying in huge numbers. You can't cry for the children who are maimed and will never know a normal life. Jesus said, "Suffer the children to come unto me, for such is the kingdom of heaven." Why wouldn't anyone want to take that literally?
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i'm tired of all this. but you know what, people keep twisting things, and i just can't let it go by.
the argument started due to a statement that the world is only several thousand years old. the point was, it's not a scientific reality, it's a creationist reality, which doesn't hold water for a large number of us. on top of that, the evangilistic and 'nah nah your evil cause you don't believe' comes into play.
it's not saying 'you can't be a person; you can't care about the poor people being hurt by radiation in Japan. You can't cry for the animals dying in huge numbers. You can't cry for the children' …. That's just discrimination again .. those words were never said, and no one has to hold a religion to be able to attain those general human qualities.
no one has to be religious in order to do a good deed or an ability to protect children. so sure, i could take that part literally, but you combine the statement with 'kingdom of heaven' and that's were it falls down again. that's the half of your statement i don't wish to take literally.
don't co-join two subject matters into one question, .. it's a technique i've seen with polls on cnn et all.
there may be great respect for religious truths, but take that to a website that's for that. this is not that forum. i cannot understand that people think it is.
i'm not hating anyone, i'm not telling anyone to not care or to not pray or to not bless someone .. just stop the spam, do…
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… do the reality.
how high and mighty is this statement …
"Worship of science of power or money is also a religion, but it doesn't necessarily have much moral value or precepts for daily life that are very honorable."
for a start they aren't religions, they are tangible here and now life preserving factors.
but you see, this is it, this is the discrimination. you think you're on the high horse because your beliefs are better then someone elses, someone else who may have had their own struggles in an altogether different world to you.
dishonorable, is that it. evil. is that it? you think because i'm not blowing your trumpet then i have to be evil, incapable of good, love or patience.
this is ridiculous,
pfft…
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Worship of money and power is indeed a religion, or more precisely, idolatry… a man cannot serve two masters, he cannot serve both God and Mammon.
It's not greed per se from a few super-rich elites, but the wholesale buying into the money/power Babylon system, on the part of the ordinary masses, that got us into this mess.
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@bobby1, maybe for greedy fat Americans money is a religion. For others it may be a means of survival. There are other parts ofnthe world other then fat old USA. People do need to feed themselves and their family. STOP friggin judging others that have different struggles to yourself. Think beyond the square. You self righteous lot are tossers.
I notice Anne hasn"t the balls to reply, and like yourself, the issue of discrimination has still not been recognized. Pathetic.
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richard, your evangelistic nihilism is much more annoying than the fundamentalist evangelism you complain about. Your posts are offensive.
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Religion and discrimination are offensive. I will not let it go. Stop accusing people of being greedy, stop making discriminating remarks, then I'll stop.
I don't wish to be continuing this myself, but I cannot tolerate the patronizing attitude of bigots. If you would stop arguing with me and recognize the discrimination then we can move on.
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richard, your lumping of all Christians in with fundamentalist knuckledraggers is as offensive as saying all blacks are lazy shiftless morons who do nothing but eat watermelon and fried chicken all day.
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I've yet to encounter a religious person that isn't bigoted. They each see their religion as the 'right' one and discriminate against all others that are not in that group. Same story, time and time again. It's called clubism, 'my clubs better then yours'.
Anyway, my point about annes discrimination (and others) has not been answered. Your doing a great job of trying to deflect the issue, typical, 'can't face the real answer, so let's digress' tactic.
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Bobby1. I don't think Christianity is the issue at all. Some people may be on the payroll of Bill Gates or the Japanese government. And the people being targeted are the bloggers that the Japanese government would pay dearly to get to come to Japan to "prove" that the radiation there is "safe."
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Richard, you might have noticed my several recent posts on this topic (Christian fundamentalism) in this thread.
Question: what exactly, I wonder, is this 'evangelistic nihilism' of which Bobby 1 speaks ?
Seems he has 'coined a phrase'… does a meaning lurk beneath .. or …?
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Thanks blades, I was having a read.
Yes, I like bobby's creativity there. I'm being accused of something there, not sure what it is.
But really, what I'm looking for is fair play and truth, the things that led me to enenews in the first place.
The christian lobbyists have done a great job of obfuscating the issues of discrimination, not unlike tepco and the nuke industry. Bet you there are lots of 'fine' christians in the nuke industry. They all seemed to be brain washed into a blinkered state, just the same.
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The 'God hates f*gs' fringe group held a demonstration in the town where I live recently, and I found it to be at least as deplorable and offensive as you might have found it.
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Reply for Bobby (and others), but I cant reply to his post
Bruno Interviews Pastor Quinn, the 'Gay Converter'
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=LazrAzBP_0I
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I don't discriminate against anyone. I do criticize those who are in favor of the nuclear industry. And I cry for the children who are being maimed and hurt by radiation. And I'm taking 2 online classes, so I don't have time to read all the blogs and respond.
Peace.
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you do discriminate, i just highlighted where you were plainly doing said action.
i'll gather from what you say that the usa is at it's nadir of its honour, as it has reached the acme of it's power and money.
your coping out from the argument.
it's taken all weekend, but i believe i've out debated all of the religous tom-foolery and discrimation.
now i'm going back to stopping uranium mining and nuclear power plants.
and religious nutters, well, just keep a lid on it will ya.
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If I knew what you were talking about or where said highlighting occurred, I could possibly answer you. I do not support the Illuminati, or the false religious teachers or the MIC.
On the other hand, I know of no other country more free than the US. And I appreciate that we have religious freedom and tolerance of religious belief. I do not want to live in a country run by the Taliban or any other religious group or by any religious leaders who have no belief but use religion to exploit other people. All people have belief systems. Some people are more kind than others. People whose belief systems allow them to kill other people in the name of so called "science and reason", including the nuclear industry, have a belief system that I strongly condemn.
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
I especially appreciate the freedom women have in the US compared to other countries. We are allowed to own property and to attend education institutions and to work to support ourselves. And I think our children have better lives because of this.
Please let us work to preserve the good and to peacefully change everything that needs change, especially the nuclear industry and military use of DU and other weapons of mass destruction and the fossil fuel industry. And let us work for equal pay for equal work and change the institutions such as having to pay for political advertising on our airways and let us bring democracy by free elections without the electoral…
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without an electoral college.
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Sorry anne for chiming in, but I think for women in the US being "allowed to own property and to attend education institutions and to work to support themselves" is nothing to especially rave about or to be remarked as a sign of US freedom.
And a "belief system" which denies the right of a woman to choose freely about birth control or abortion or gay marriage in many states is once more nothing to rave about….don't you think? But that's just my opinion – I'm fine with yours.
*peace
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Matthew 19:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
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What's that shyte meant to mean? I don't see an answer to the question of discrimination. I just see a pontificating princess.
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Sorry, in a post further down I though Bleep was saying that I had misquoted Jesus.
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My apology for seeing it as a reply to my question.
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@ Richard .. see nothing at all offensive re your posting in off topic thread here. The same Founding Fathers who guaranteed my religious freedom from tyranny via State control gave you the same rights. And Bleep et al.
There is no question that you are expressing the same concerns about Fuku .. the insanity of the aggregious method of boiling water wo concern to environment risk and eons of care needed for the waste ..
There is no reason for you to be reported to Admin for your views expressed here .. we in the US have been granted freedom from religious persecution ..
Even tho we have not been guaranteed life liberty and pursuit of happiness by this disaster .. whole'nuther chapter of this discussion.
Enjoyed knowing you and appreciate your passion. Stay strong.
Bako
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Anne,…..I have been reporting richard all day. It is obvious to me that Admin. likes this guy, and seems to agree with him.
I do not.
I am sorry you are being so ruthlessly attacked!
It is shameful,…….and ENENEWS ought to be ASHAMED!
I am ashamed for it!
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StillJill, the writing is on the wall. It's not just the trolls, but the website is drifting pro-nuke. Time to make backup plans for another board.
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Yes Bobby1,…sadly the writing is on the wall.
No more care and concern,.no more deep 'UNITY'…just propped up beer cheers here.
No love of God,….just the same old tired humanism.
Gee,….I wonder where all the hops are grown? OOps,…….don't mess with the humanistic beer cheers, Jill.
You're not wanted here by those pulling the strings with ENENEWS,.. (Which has been taken over).
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Cheers Jill! No harsh feelings here from my side – I just disagree on the topic, not on persons!
And all is fine with enenews & its admin, I think.
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what's with you beligerent lot. you can't get it through your thick head can you. i never started this fight.. someone tried to use creationism as science, it's not!
then i get called a hater and all sorts of discriminatory and unfriendly terms are hurled around. you just don't get it when it's wrong to use the discrimination and you seem to think that you are some super hero that can get away with it.
i'm am constatly gob-smacked at the indignant beligernce, you're all acting like children.
This is not a sunday school forum. I don't elect to go to sunday school forums. I am here for the science, just like many others.
Honestly.. no wonder people start wars against the religious, you seem to think you have some right to spread your spam – well wake babe, you friggin don't.
You people have all been hammering me for nearly three days now. I will not stop defending the right to scientific, non-discriminatory, non-evangelistic discussions.
I'm am clearly not pro-nuke, so Bobby, get over it, stop making stupid accusations. Again, you religious lot just keep twisting the plot to suit your own agenda. Whether you are christian, muslim, hindu or buddhist or whaterver, you need to keep your beliefs to yourself.. or vent them on your sunday school website. WE DON"T WANT TO HEAR IT!
It's just religious SPAM.
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Thumbs up here.
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lol
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Richard and I both (we don't know each other btw) have just been objecting to the introduction of non-scientific creationist propaganda (it can't be called a 'theory' as it has no science whatever supporting it) into what should be a factual and science-based website and discussion.
We are having to belabor the obvious.
Creationism is not science; it is religion. I think my posts have abundantly supported that statement.
Trolls disrupt the purpose of a website, and whether Jill, Bobby, et al are or not trolls, that is what they are doing – creating a 'diversion' from this website's purpose, which is to share factual information on Fukushima and the crisis that the irresponsible proliferation of nuclear technology has brought upon us all.
This is not a religious website. Therefore creationism is off-topic and not appropriate here on this website. That, it seems to me, is self-evident.
In yet another puzzling non-sequetur, Jill says that she has been 'reporting Richard all day' (on what grounds I can't imagine); and then the leap is made by Bobby to the conclusion (again, on what grounds I can't fathom) that Richard is 'pro-nuke.'
In their anti-logic and irrationality, StillJill and Bobby1 bring to mind tweedle dum, tweedle dee, and the Red Queen.
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I never accused Richard of being pro-nuke. My main concerns with this website were there before this ridiculous discussion appeared… that the hard-core anti-nuke people are being alienated or banned. I have seen this happen before at other sites.
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"tweedle dum, tweedle dee, and the Red Queen."
Is that like a muppet?
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Thamks, SJill. Evolution is not a science either. It is a belief system. For those who worship mutations, you only have to look at the children of Chernobyl. We did not evolve from mutations which are 99.9999% destructive and destroy the intellect.
I am sorry they attack you. No reason but that they support the politicians who support the nuclear industry. Just ignore them. They just rattle on and on in generalities and innuendo and false belief systems. Look what the worship of reason and science has given us: exploitation and despoilation of our natural resources – Fukushima and all the other nuclear accidents and every day polluting by every use of nuclear fission and uranium mining. "Science" has destroyed our world. The myth of "Atoms for peace" is just a political ploy to let those involved in the nuclear industry steal and murder and plunder all the people outside the power structure. "Atoms for peace" is the slogan of criminals.
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Typical, you've twisted the story, ignored the facts, then made up 'atoms for peace' rant. You really think the sun shines out your date don't you. That's fine, keep your blinkers on.
I had thought you had the capabilities of understanding, but obviously not.
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ALERT: Earthquake, margin of error according to USGS, puts this earthquake perhaps at Fukushima Daiichi or Fukushima Daini 13 May 12:05 JST
37.354°N , 141.147°E
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usb0009ntj.php
MAP: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php
This earthquake is 7.9 mi (12.67 km) SE from Fukushima Daiichi (#1) Nuclear Power Plant +/- 13.7 miles
This earthquake is 7.2 mi (11.52 km) NNE from Fukushima Daini (#2) Nuclear Power Plant
http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html
Fukushima #1 37.422972N 141.032917E
Fukushima #2 37.316389N 141.025556E
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Anne,…do we know how big?
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4.4
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thanks
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Zoom in looks like 4.4EQ only 4 or 5 miles away. http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
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usgs put the horizontal uncertainty at +/-13.7 miles.
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CB,…that site shows three ALERTS,…S. Cal, N. Ca., and Alaska. They are blinking,….I am lost and a bit freaked.
What's up with this site?
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Do not be alarmed, it is quite normal. California and Alaska have had quite a few earth quakes for months now. This has been the norm for months/years.
I only give notice of larger, more probable destructive EQ's. 5.0 or higher is likely to be destructive.
Unless next to a NPP I will give notice of even small EQ's.
This EQ is in close proximity to Fukushima. Although a rather small EQ, it is close to Fukushima.
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1360&bih=655&tbm=isch&tbnid=wxnxiAJCuEKJkM:&imgrefurl=http://www.graphpaper.com/2010/01-13_drop-the-richter-scale&docid=XWBlHl82qTDPeM&imgurl=http://www.graphpaper.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/richterscale2.jpg&w=320&h=385&ei=g0-vT4HDKefM2gWd6tnpCA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=457&sig=114099274139064744855&page=2&tbnh=140&tbnw=114&start=18&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:18,i:121&tx=34&ty=42
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The blinking rings mean the most recent activity.
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Thanks for that. I thought the world was ending, and I was missing it.
/snap to serious mode
I was imagining one of those Cambridge vs Oxford type debates. First question I'd put on the agenda would be:
Could it be, that the world has actually already ended, but that most people don't know it?
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Pu239
May 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm Log in to Reply
"Thanks for that. I thought the world was ending, and I was missing it."
ha HAH LOL ROLFLMFAO
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Thx Pu239 GOLDEN !
/snap to serious mode
"Could it be, that the world has actually already ended, but that most people don't know it?"
Yes, i think that is perfectly possible, and i think so too tbh, but ive been wrong before in my life so i try to stay with a mindset that it may also not.
Even if only a few million survive to carry the genepool, its still meaningfull to try to disarm the dominoblocks imho.
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I couldn't see it on the timelapse cam. I posted the link on the webcam forum.
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Fourth pick Whale Capture harpooned her first career Grade 1 title in the Victoria Mile on Sunday, defeating favorite and 2010 filly's Triple Crown champion Apapane.
Whale Capture, ridden by the race's two-time winner Norihiro Yokoyama, crossed the line half a length ahead of seventh choice Donau Blue in a time of 1 minute, 32.4 seconds on firm going at Tokyo Racecourse.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/05/157708.html
What an insulting, in bad taste name for a horse, from the Japanese racing community. Friggin disgusting.
Then, the reporter uses the word 'harpooned', what a pig, dreadful.
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Happy Mother's Day, Enenews!
Admin, you have given birth to quite a collection of knowledgeable bloggers.
Thank you so much for creating this website, we love you for it.
Hope that you get some time off today from us with your mom,
NoNukes
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I second that. Admin, you're doing a great job managing the bag of (antinuke) fleas that we are…. thanks.
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Why thanks! Now off to cook someone breakfast in bed… wait, just one more post.
Happy Mother's Day everyone
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Breakfast in bed sounds lovely – but don't serve "cold pancakes"!!
lol
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NUKE TEST (1961) CREATES MASSIVE HOLLOW CAVIT
WAS DULCE, NEW MEXICO, A NUCLEAR WASTE DUMPING GROUND?
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=179402
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Blues Brother band member Donald "Duck" Gunn dies in Tokyo Sunday:
http://www.elpasotimes.com/entertainment/ci_20614548/bass-player-donald-duck-dunn-dies-tokyo
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Steve Cropper: "Today I lost my best friend, the world has lost the best guy and bass player to ever live. Duck Dunn died in his sleep Sunday morning May 13 in Tokyo Japan after finishing 2 shows at the Blue Note Night Club."
http://playitsteve.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/donald-duck-dunn-1941-2012/
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How sad that no one will connect his death with Fuku-fuck-up!
I still find it amazing that John Wayne's death was properly attributed to that movie out in the desert near weapons testing! (Or,….is it NOT common knowledge,…just us fringers?)
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I would say that it is not common knowledge. Too many only get their news & entertainment form MSM. I hate to call them sheeple ect. How can they know that everything they read & watch is meant to train them to accept violence, abuse, racism & greed as a normal part of life? They are also trained that it is not worth fighting against the corrupt & evil elite becasue they will never be held accountable.
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Japanese extinction clock: declining birth rates leds to in extinction in 1,000 years.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_798495.html
SP: They may need to revisit that estimate. Radiation damage to newborns DNA as well as adult male anomalies in sperm may knock 950 years off that estimate. Better bank some sperm cells now for the coming test tube Brave New World.
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An informative website on Christian Fundamentalism
http://www.bidstrup.com/religion.htm
Note: Using AVG did not bring this website up for me, but using Ixquick's search engine did bring it up. I strongly recommend checking it out!
Quoting from the website:
"Fundamentalism almost invariably has a problem with science. Science is the process of starting with the evidence and proceeding to the conclusion that best fits the evidence, regardless of what that conclusion may be.
Fundamentalism, on the other hand, starts with a conclusion and searches for evidence to support that conclusion.
Anyone who has ever been wrong knows that the latter is no way to find the truth, because it presumes the searcher has the truth to begin with, which of course may or may not be the case.
But this doesn't stop the fundamentalist; the very premise of fundamentalism presumes to start with the truth, and all the fundamentalist lacks is evidence. This false science has even become an industry in such organizations as the Institute for Creation Science, the Family Research Council, etc. There are many other examples, and from many religions besides just Christianity.
This can most clearly be seen in the Christian fundamentalist's hard-core, bedrock belief in the inerrancy of the Bible…."
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Readings on Fundamentalism
List truncated – find complete list here: http://www.bidstrup.com/religion.htm
"Books I (website creator, not Blades) highly recommend (which, if you wish, you can buy safely online from Amazon.com by pursuing the links here):
The Mind of the Bible Believer by Edmund D. Cohen isn't a book about the bible as much as its a psychology book. He says of it, "This is the book I wish had been available to me before I became a 'believer.'" It discusses why Christian fundamentalism has the attraction it does, and why it appeals so strongly to the seeker. He takes the view that the New Testament was written to bring believers together during a time of moral collapse and political oppression (first century Jewish Palestine), and that as such, it is "history's most successful psychological manipulation, achieving with uncanny facility what motivational researchers and psychological warfare experts can only dream about… having long outlived its original purpose." And he makes a very good case for his thesis. This book will give you some real insight into the mind of the Christian evangelical fundamentalist. Can't recommend it highly enough! If you buy only one book to try to understand evangelical fundamentalism, this should be that book."
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MISQUOTING JESUS, by Bart D. Ehrman – one of the best critiques of the theory of 'Biblical inerrancy.'
http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060738170/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336934265&sr=1-1
A really fascinating book – ranked among my favorite books.
Amazon's blurb:
"When world-class biblical scholar Bart Ehrman first began to study the texts of the Bible in their original languages he was startled to discover the multitude of mistakes & intentional alterations that had been made by earlier translators. In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman tells the story behind the mistakes & changes that ancient scribes made to the New Testament & shows the great impact they had upon the Bible we use today. He frames his account with personal reflections on how his study of the Greek manuscripts made him abandon his once ultraconservative views of the Bible." (contd.)
reproduction of texts, most people have assumed that when they read the New Testament they are reading an exact copy of Jesus's words or Saint Paul's writings. & yet, for almost fifteen hundred years these manuscripts were hand copied by scribes who were deeply influenced by the cultural, theological, & political disputes of their day. Both mistakes & intentional changes abound in the surviving manuscripts, making the original words difficult to reconstruct. For the first time, Ehrman reveals where & why these changes were made…
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Amazon's blurb on MIS-QUOTING JESUS, concluded:
"Since the advent of the printing press and the accurate reproduction of texts, most people have assumed that when they read the New Testament they are reading an exact copy of Jesus's words or Saint Paul's writings. And yet, for almost fifteen hundred years these manuscripts were hand copied by scribes who were deeply influenced by the cultural, theological, and political disputes of their day. Both mistakes and intentional changes abound in the surviving manuscripts, making the original words difficult to reconstruct. For the first time, Ehrman reveals where and why these changes were made and how scholars go about reconstructing the original words of the New Testament as closely as possible.
Ehrman makes the provocative case that many of our cherished biblical stories and widely held beliefs concerning the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, and the divine origins of the Bible itself stem from both intentional and accidental alterations by scribes — alterations that dramatically affected all subsequent versions of the Bible."
Note- What I especially like about Ehrman is his calm and reasonable tone. He is not out to do a hatchet-job; he just presents the information calmly and clearly. He also happens to be a very good writer. The book reads a bit like a mystery story and he moves us from his 'true believer' days into the discoveries that caused him to re-evaluate his fundamentalist Christian beliefs.
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If you are really interested in Bible criticism, you should know there is academic discipline called 'Biblical Studies' that has been around for a few hundred years.
A very good book is 'The Parables of Jesus' by Joachim Jeremias, who criticizes the text, as you were saying, but elucidates the meaning of the parables by pointing out how their background is in farming and fishing practices of ancient Palestine.
http://www.amazon.com/Parables-Jesus-Edition-Joachim-Jeremias/dp/0023605103/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336936624&sr=8-1
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In fact no, I'm not the least bit interested, I have enough to deal with just becoming a nuclear engineer over the last year or so.
I really don't give a damn. But when religious types started plastering the walls of this site with their garbage, that's when the guns were drawn.
If the god bothers would put a lid on it, recognize their discrimination, then I just want to move on, I don't have the time for this shyte.
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>>>"Kurt Vonnegut who, at one point named himself Honorary President of the American Humanist Association:
“How do humanists feel about Jesus? I say of Jesus, as all humanists do, ‘If what he said is good, and so much of it is absolutely beautiful, what does it matter if he was God or not?’
“But if Christ hadn’t delivered the Sermon on the Mount, with its message of mercy and pity, I wouldn’t want to be a human being.
“I’d just as soon be a rattlesnake.”<<<
Quoted in Ray McGovern, from “Render unto Caesar, Extraordina…” Op Ed News, May 2012
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i don't know where you're taking this dharma.
i can relate to doing good, whether there is a belief in gawd or not.
but i don't need someone to 'shout it from the mount', I'm not a serpent by default, I am a full blooded, caring human being.
I do not relate the second paragraph. It's starting to sound discriminatory. but i'll give it the benefit of the doubt right now.. i'm really tired and over it with all this spiritual conversation, it's not what I came to enenews for.
I know where I stand in the universe, I am strong within my own sense of character. I don't need any false prophets or props. Thanks though for getting into it
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@Richard. I am sorry you don't understand what I am saying. I am not a religious person. I am a buddhist, but I don't think buddhism is a religion; it is a psychology. Kurt Vonnegut was an atheist/agnostic. He's a humanist, a rationalist. That's the only reason I mentioned this. I believe in reason, in science, in rationality. I also believe in kindness. As the Dalai Lama said when asked about his "religion, he answered, "My religion is very simple; my religion is kindness." I think Kurt Vonnegut was only pointing to his belief in kindness and compassion. I mean't only an assertion of these two principles. No, I'm not trying to make a statement about the Sermon on the Mount. I'm sorry if I am sounding cryptic. I have felt so "shot down" on this site for trying to be rational. I just wanted to say that I support your position. I must go now. Probably won't try to say anything else for a while again. I just don't seem to be able to communicate here in a way in which I can be understood.
I'm afraid to say any more.
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dharma – you have clarified what you were saying .. and it's what i whole heartedly agree in.. so don't drop out now.
of course, no one will believe me at this stage, but i certainly come from a position of kindness. I'm a vegetarian and have been for many decades, partially from my deep hearted concerns for the flora and fauna of this world.
i come first from the heart. but i am not afraid to fight when i get cornered. i will not passively curtail to others' ideals. look at me, I'm vegetarian, there are very few like me, because I make my own choices based on my belief that I come from concern and kindness in the first instance. Can you imagine how many people have scoffed at me through the decades because I'm a full grown man who wont eat beef.
this is where i am not brain washed, i am not conditioned to comply.
now that i understand your statement i have a greater affinity for you and wish you well. please don't drop away (which I've implored from you before).
ps. i've always been a fan of Kurt as well
I didn't know this story (obviously).
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I think that in order to understand Fukushima, we have to understand the "yen carry trade," which looks to be making a comeback.
Basic explanation:
By early year 2007, it was estimated that some US$1 trillion may have been staked on the yen carry trade.[5] Since the mid-90's, the Bank of Japan has set Japanese interest rates at very low levels making it profitable to borrow Japanese yen to fund activities in other currencies.[6] These activities include subprime lending in the USA, and funding of emerging markets, especially BRIC countries and resource rich countries…
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:KdBT9M-rcgIJ:www.twnside.org.sg/title2/resurgence/203-204/cover5.doc+history+of+the+carry+trade&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgnutT9ag2v3FJOhjgLanwlvtHZ41wvpnbX1PGiwYIX6zEfNDJYOIzVJcQ8dhYjeMpCfxFzjmNiv9KMjgxOCzRWtAF0MfG1kKoIftpfI14qq1MAP2SWuvjYj8atYpe-yS7zFqf5&sig=AHIEtbSs15oQtt5ji9CPfEvmDqIMV5CXvg
All Good Things Come to an End: The Fall of the Carry Trade
http://www.actionforex.com/articles-library/forex-articles/all-good-things-come-to-an-end:-the-fall-of-the-carry-trade-2008120270556/
A brief history of the Yen carry trade in forum [FX]
http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=104038
The yen carry trade is back for 2012:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-japan-economy-yen-idUSBRE82P02D20120326
http://www.minyanville.com/trading-and-investing/currencies/articles/currency-markets-japanese-yen-us-dollar/3/26/2012/id/40038
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So we're due a bit of a Solar buffeting in a few hours time http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/wsa-enlil/cme-based/ this one just grazes past.
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richard, bleep_hits_blades , BreadAndButter and probably others too ( did not read the whole thread) , thx for the courage to defend reason, common sense and logic against dogma.
I can't do that , my bloodpressure meds might not be strong enough. I have done so a few years on other forums but i just don't have the stamina or appetite anymore. So thx guy's.
A lightfooted way to think about the whole dispute : http://www.pinetree.net/humor/thermodynamics.html
quote "As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell."
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love the quote.. that's a great paradox and explains it well
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i also want to add that i never intended for a war to start, i simply cannot tolerate Creationism being used on a science forum, nor can I tolerate the discrimination against 'non-believers'
beyond that, people can have their own imaginery friends and fairy lands to dream about, just don't bore me with it.
if anyone chooses to go beyond that protocol, then they can expect similar wrath to come down on them again. the god-botherers need to understand we are not in sunday school anymore toto. there is a big, very real, very scarey world out there.
i've read it on this site, ignorance is bliss.. and that's just what it is.
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@DID & Richard– I hope you will read the Kurt Vonnegut quote I posted up a few comments at 12:31 AM. I chose to leave this forum of ene for reasons like this.
I appreciate Admin, the site and many of the posters, but… OMHuman!!!
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Yes i did, can you explain why you think it should contain a message for me what that guy said ? Because i dissagree with him if he say's that without jesus there's no compassion. If compassion would not be build in our genes we would not exist, simple as that. Especially considering how fragile and careneeding our offspring is.
Nature knows love, empathy , compassion , friendly or helpfull and even altruistic behavior across different species. It is not a monopoly of man alone , and most definitly not limited to a certain subgroup within our species just because their shared tought and perception configuration. So it would be nice to stop claiming it is , because it is simply not true, and therefore a lie . And since we are talking about our higher moral codes that, when absent , leaves only room for sociopatisme and stuff, highly insulting. And therefore will always lead to the same response.
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No DID…I can't explain anything to you. This site is full of intellectual literalists, lacking in the understranding of nuance, many of whom have chips on their over sensitive shoulders. I thank you, DID, for showing my once again, that posting to this site is a waste of my time.
You can stay here and fight these mini-atomic wars, or practice the personality traits which lead to atomic wars, so long as you like
Evolution demands more of us. But Ma Nature won't mourn if we don't make it.
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It's oke, i've readed your replay to richard. I respect buddisme, its a spiritual guideline/psychology that is not ment to be political usefull like some other major populair are. And it is not limited to human interaction but to al living creatures correct ? I support that.
I'm not fighting here , i'm trying to explain something too , at least i try to spell out how i reach my conclusions. But on my side i got the impression that the feedback contains mostly projection so, you are right.
We are going nowhere with this.Still no reason to leave , if the taunting and the use of dogma's stops i will wholeheartedly drop the subject too. Its not why we are here or why this site exist , as we are trying to explain to some people that are getting R.S.I by now from futile fumbling with the report button.
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Thanks DID. I'm still sorry it happened (and started on a thread about humanity!), but maybe it was about time some things got said.
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Exactly BB, and i'm sry from the moment i saw it emerge , because its soooo predictable, oh noes , not again . But leaving them take over the place is also not right. So, here we are lol. Looking for a new equilibrium.
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@irradiatedinbako thx to you too
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for the record.
I am not pro or anti anything. Im here to learn. Wont happen by taking sides, sorry.
Far more people follow Govt than God or Intellect. EVERYONE believes in it like a 4 year old child.
If you arent ingesting cannabis oil and fresh leaves, you arent doing as much for your body as you can be.
Smoke weed. I do everyday. Its healthy and good for you. Among other things– Its the cure for insanity.
The Club of Rome, The Trilateral Commission, and the Counsel on Foreign Relations are making all the calls-for at least since the 1940s-to the present. Catch on to this quick or you are all wasting precious time working within the Status Quo.
Dont agree? I dont care. Im past waking and on to action.
Want proof? Its there, you can find it as easily as I did. I welcome dialog, but not debate.
@Richard, while I sympathize with you on your plight against religious rhetoric–you have succeeded in sounding like a complete asshole. You do like the conflict, otherwise you would ignore it. That would be taking the moral high road you purpose to have. I hope some day you grow up and stop over generalizing and spewing your ego-babble. Way to bring us together! If anything it will enhance the occurrence of the commentary you so hate. Success!
Im generally a nice person and I enjoy the dialog but opinions of my opinion arent necessary.
Thank you, and for the record–
Everyday we live, we die. But how would that be any different than any…
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again, i get blamed. i will not back down from being fought… you are now another twisting this against me.
what's the problem .. can't you understand i have a right to defend myself. i want this garbage to stop, i'm over it, but everytime someone comes out with another barb against me i will defend myself. end of story. i will not let it go… to do so is to simply give in to the argument i started with – that creationism is not a science and should not be referred to on a science site.
wow.. the neverending frigging story .. stop digging into me and i will stop responding, simple.
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ok, Rich. You gotta like this picture tho,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thpomer/432953725/
its funny!
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lol!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qyhZ9_eXCHM/SwiTDwW-N1I/AAAAAAAADac/ZDk7ExtkJ74/s1600/JesusDinosaurLamb.jpg
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thanks, i'll take a look later, my net is a little slow here today.
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for friggs sake, i'm not on any moral high ground – wow, you really distort things. i'm am not here exposing my beliefs – unless prodded. People forcing their beliefs onto me is prodding. People being discriminatory is prodding. Twisting and distorting the issues is foolish and prodding.
in fact, when i set out on enenews, i tried to enure the only time i wrote was when i had a link, ie, not just opinion. but this battle has blown that out of the water.
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that sound like good judgement.
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other day?
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Richard, I've been grateful to you for contributing to this debate/discussion – a voice of reason. Otherwise I'd have been – or felt, at any rate – pretty much alone.
Re this creationism stuff, as mentioned, I got my fill of it back years ago. I certainly agree that it has no place in any science-oriented forum or even just any fact-oriented forum. The Biblical inerrancy theory or line of thinking/belief is pretty easy to debunk. The Bible is quite a hodge-podge and says all sorts of things, some of them pretty outrageous, such as that slavery is OK (for the 'righteous' etc.)and that God in His wrath is smiting and destroying enemies of Israel unto so many generations and that is fine and dandy, etc., etc.
The theory of creationism is so blatantly and egregiously non-/anti-scientific that if allowed to stand uncontested it would reflect poorly on the website. I already get the sense that some participants/contributors have (like Dharmasyd)dropped out. The number of good posts (with links to good articles and info etc.) seems to have dwindled.
I'm glad I had the earlier exposure to this fundamentalist Christian clique and the opportunity to acquaint myself with it. Also am grateful that I happened to discover Ehrman's books, which do such a good job of calmly, reasonably 'deconstructing' the whole line of thinking/belief – it can't really be called a line of reasoning as it is neither reasonable nor rational.
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Thanks blades, i meant to say something earlier. I kind of felt there was just a couple of us here with this struggle, so I do appreciate it.
It's been feeling like I'm in the last scene of 'Zombie Gawd Hordes' – the onslaught is relentless, unending, over the top. Where did they all rise from?
I have to keep reloading the flame thrower – hey, thanks for throwing another canister over
And, they are not even the target of my objective, there is a giant giga monster still waiting off stage for the epilogue. What a cataclysmic fanfare that will be.
sheesh.
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Insight: "Made in Japan" engineers find second life in China
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/16/us-china-japan-technology-idUSBRE83F14P20120416
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This is so archetypal. The elders of Japan, the great scientists, engineers, company
executives are now returning to their original homeland. China. the Japanese people
once came from the mainland of China. What they did to China and Nanjing is beyond
words. The returning Japanese should bow very low and be humble and grateful for this
return. The nuclear industry is killing Japan.
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China signs investment agreement with Japan, ROK
A "milestone" investment agreement between China, Japan and the Republic of Korea was signed in Beijing on Sunday, after years of negotiations, while the leaders of the three nations announced that talks focusing on a free-trade agreement would be launched within the year.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-05/14/content_15280279.htm
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Go Asian Union. What will they call the money? RenYenWong?
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