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  • anne anne
    May 17, 2012 at 9:19 am

    A natural emission of high Radio Frequency illuminating the southern California faultzones?! Electromagnetic buildup emitting a radio frequency of some kind?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvFeDTBoX28&list=UUHE92x768p8h-fMrqhsnE1Q&index=1&feature=plcp


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  • many moons
    May 17, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Hello, where is everybody? Whoopie? xdrfox? stilljill? where are you?


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
      May 17, 2012 at 9:28 am

      Hi many moons, Whoopie was around today, StillJill no idea, xdrfox has been banned by Admin, guessing from his post:
      http://enenews.com/forum-topic-discussion-thread-feb-26-2012-present/comment-page-30#comment-248691


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      • many moons
        May 17, 2012 at 9:46 am

        Oh that's too bad he xdrfox had a lot to contribute. He has a website that he updates about the gulf, I just don't know the address. I was so surprised to read one of his links to the ban of fishing in the gulf. I saw an ad. today in the local newspaper showing the fishermen in th gulf, working hard and how I should buy their fish.


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
          May 17, 2012 at 9:51 am

          many moons, look out for CB! I think he knows xdrfox' site, I remember him posting something from it lately, but can't find it back…


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        • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth
          May 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm

          many moons, yes, we miss xdrfox here. My suspicion is that xdrfox likes to crack open a bottle of scotch as he blogs late into the night, and that one night, he sort of got into it with Admin. Who knows? If xdrfox promises to quit blogging before he gets incoherent, perhaps Admin will invite him back someday, on probation. Dr. Fox has made a great contribution to ENEnews in the past, and given that we have probably already all been killed by Fuku and the nuke industry, his suspected scotch habit can probably be forgiven. He was certainly prolific in his postings, and incisive in his analysis. Some nights, his work shows "over ice", while on angry nights, I sense he took his scotch "neat". Miss you xdrfox


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          • NoNukes NoNukes
            May 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm

            philipupnorth,

            Below the comment box where you entered this post implying that xdrfox was "incoherent," "angry" and has a "scotch habit," Admin has stated very clearly, in capital letters:

            "2) NO PERSONAL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER. Repeat offenders will be banned permanently."


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            • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
              May 18, 2012 at 2:17 am

              I didn't take the post as a personal attack. I saw it more as a "my hat's off" to a legendary poster. If you still visit, love to you Doc. I don't hang out much here anymore either for better or worse. I pop in once a week or so. Enenews is still a great source of information, but got a little picky and prissy for my taste. Just playing a little guitar, eating whatever the fuck I want and waiting for the final curtain.


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              • NoNukes NoNukes
                May 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm

                Poor Daddy,

                I'll keep in mind that you appreciate a tribute that suggests you are "incoherent," write "angry words" and have a drinking "habit."

                Since Admin made it simple for us with "2) NO PERSONAL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER," and incoherence, anger and drinking habits are not usually defined as positive attributes, let's just stick to the positive, it is easier, really.

                Thanks for making an exception in order to post about this important topic for the fate of humanity.


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                • NoNukes NoNukes
                  May 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm

                  writes on "angry nights"


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                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
                    May 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm

                    I dont recall Xdrfox having an angry tone..
                    He is an ace journalist..driven and passionate.
                    After all… he write for Before It's News.
                    I think his feelings were hurt deeply… to be taken to task publicly.
                    I should know….


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
                      May 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm

                      PS. Political correctness yields itself well… to the dehumanization program..just saying.


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
                      May 18, 2012 at 12:46 pm

                      PS..I hope StillJill knows.. I miss her very much.


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                    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
                      May 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm

                      Imagine there's no heaven
                      It's easy if you try
                      No hell below us
                      Above us only sky
                      Imagine all the people living for today

                      Imagine there's no countries
                      It isn't hard to do
                      Nothing to kill or die for
                      And no religion too
                      Imagine all the people living life in peace

                      You may say
                      I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
                      I hope some day you'll join us
                      And the world will be as one….

                      *I miss them, too


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                • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
                  May 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm

                  Ok NoNukes. I just re-read philupnorth's post again two more times looking for your "personal attack" accusation. I guess if you are looking for a personal attack, it is very mildly there. I also see a somewhat grudging, but genuine respect for the Doc.
                  Here is my take on the post…..Philupnorth jumps to a strange scotch conclusion from the gate. Clumsy, but this tells me more about Phil than it does xdrfox.
                  I DO see one word that just never fits the Doc….incoherent.
                  Angry? The Doc? Of course! Who wouldn't be? Who isn't? and rightfully and righteously so.
                  I guess it is just a matter of perception. On my first read of the post, I saw "miss you, xdrfox" twice, "Dr Fox has made a great contribution to enenews", and "incisive in his analysis". Seemed a little short of a personal attack IMHO.

                  Looking again at your 12:09 post, some folks see sarcastic, snarky comments as personal attacks….but not me. You do prove my point about enenews getting a little prissy and picky….but I hardly noticed it.

                  On another note, I miss xdrfox, or-well, stillJill, Whoopie and others. I did not know until last night the good Doc got 86'd.

                  Glad to see Heart of the Rose here and still going to the "heart" of the matter…."PS. Political correctness yields itself well… to the dehumanization program..just saying."
                  :)


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                  • ENENews
                    May 19, 2012 at 10:38 am

                    Interesting comments.

                    Perhaps some of you are not aware of what happened.

                    1) xdrfox got in a dispute with another commenter.

                    2) I took the time to comment and suggest his comments may benefit from limiting the number of exclamation marks, which appeared at the end of almost every sentence.

                    3) He proceeded to attack me personally and this website with about 20 comments, some of which can be seen here: http://enenews.com/fbi-whistleblower-releases-unauthorized-memoir-they-have-individuals-on-their-payroll-on-almost-every-nuclear-facility-in-the-united-states-video/comment-page-1#comment-245797

                    >> ATTENTION EVERYONE: If you are aware of what happened and you continue to defend him or that type of behavior, please stop commenting here.

                    ——————
                    PS Whoopie commented several times yesterday. Or-well not since last month, I miss him/her too.

                    PPS Besides this nonsense, there are so many wonderful commenters here… you are an inspiration!


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                  • NoNukes NoNukes
                    May 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm

                    Poor Daddy,

                    People started complaining about religion, and StillJill's posts, and the use of capitals and now she's not here, and people started complaining about Whoopie's links and questioning her intellectual integrity and the use of capitals and she has been here a lot less.

                    I don't know if there is a connection between those things but it is a huge loss not to have them here like they used to be. There might be a connection, that's why I think that Admin's new additional instruction about personal attacks is a good idea, so we err on the side of caution.


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                    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
                      May 19, 2012 at 12:52 pm

                      Good Morning NoNukes,

                      I lived way back in the hills and raised 5 kids with no electricity 27 miles from the small town of Hayfork in N. Calif. for many years. New people would move to that little town from LA or San Fran and the FIRST THING they would do is post "No Trespassing" signs on the boundaries of their property. Within 6 months, they would inevitably be circulating petitions for street lights, sidewalks, etc.

                      I see a distinct parallel with Enenews. I have learned, shared, been comforted and have tried to give something back in simple ways. I have angered folks here and have been angry with others as well. Through all this, I have NEVER wanted ANYONE

                      People find Enenews, are welcomed with open arms by StillJill and others, post their gratitude and joy for this site and within a few months start bitchin about religion, CAPITAL letters, punctuation, lack of "intellectual integrity", foul fucking language and a host of other freckles and warts.


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                    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
                      May 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm

                      Whoops !! I got all wound up and hit the wrong key and posted my 12:52 comment before it was done ! Sorry, its a little incoherent and unfinished. Was about to say I NEVER wanted ANYONE banned. I have never reported anyone to admin. I have tried to settle any differences directly with posts, for better or worse.

                      My point, I guess, is why the hell do people find something they like and need and immediately proceed to change it? There are alot more important things than exclamation marks, intellectual integrity (whatever the fuck that is) and the use of CAPITALS. The camaraderie and nurturing of the posters here has ALWAYS been one of the great assets of Enenews. The other asset being the wonderful unvarnished knowledge of what the nukes are doing to our world.

                      I completely agree with you…"it is a huge loss not to have them here like they used to be."


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes
                      May 19, 2012 at 1:46 pm

                      Poor Daddy,

                      Your post is eloquent, I can imagine just what you are talking about with the people from LA and SF in Hayfork. I bet those people are the same people who, while still in SF, put up signs like this:

                      http://www.amazon.com/POOP-ZONE-Sign-clean-signs/dp/B001A2HNZ2/ref=pd_sim_lg_6

                      Would you rather live with a huge sign of a dog pooping 24/7, or just get rid of the poop? (Glad this is the off-topic thread, sorry!)

                      I completely agree with you that the "camaraderie and nurturing of the posters here has ALWAYS been one of the great assets of Enenews." There were even complaints about the nurturing, about people who kept talking about love, "how can you love someone you have never met," etc.

                      When it was suggested that the use of capitals degraded the site, I said that StillJill and Whoopie were WHY many people stayed at Enenews. Since they are such effective and popular anti-nuke writers, I wonder if it really IS about capitals, etc.?


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                    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
                      May 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm

                      @ NoNukes……

                      Maybe we are romanticizing enenews origins, but I don't think so. I remember sometime around April, 2011, the feeling of relief and gratitude that I'm not the only one anymore that knows what Fukushima really is! I remember way too many posts by so many other people thanking Jill for her heart-felt, enthusiastic "welcome!" posts. I remember searching new posts in the morning and the joy of finding poetry from or-well's fertile mind! I would laugh out loud in appreciation of Whoopie's boundless enthusiasm. Enenews was, from it's inception, more than just a Fukushima information site.
                      Another amazing characteristic of enenews was the acceptance of each other despite the diversity of political opinion, education levels and differing religious and spiritual views. Where else online could an inveterate, cursing class clown with a penchant for very mediocre guitar playing rub cyber elbows with people possessing several CAPITAL letters after their names…….AND gain acceptance from and equality with them? That "light" is a little dimmer these days.

                      "how can you love someone you have never met,"

                      I'm not sure, but I know I love StillJill and have never met her. I've met her soul, her brain here on enenews, and I feel love for her through this medium, and have felt love flowing from her in abundance.

                      LOL@poop sign….Stepping in dog shit would make me curse the fact that I got dog shit on my shoe, but I would still love dogs.

                      NO…


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                    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
                      May 19, 2012 at 3:46 pm

                      NO MORE FUCKING NUKES !!!


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes
                      May 19, 2012 at 4:43 pm

                      Exactly, Poor Daddy!

                      Any place where this "Democracy NOW! watching-KPFA listening-atheist" can fall in love with so many "FOX watching-Ron Paul listening-Christians" must be DANGEROUS to the powers that be. Where else can THAT happen?

                      The "acceptance of each other despite the diversity of political opinion, education levels and differing religious and spiritual views" may be the greatest threat that Enenews poses, as an incredibly informed anti-nuclear community that has been able to transcend many traditional divisions.

                      I love StillJill, too, please come back! You too, Poor Daddy, the site has missed your poetry, too.


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                    • Bobby1
                      May 19, 2012 at 5:25 pm

                      ""how can you love someone you have never met,"

                      I'm not sure, but I know I love StillJill and have never met her. I've met her soul, her brain here on enenews, and I feel love for her through this medium, and have felt love flowing from her in abundance."

                      "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." – Albert Einstein


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                    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
                      May 19, 2012 at 5:57 pm

                      Nonukes…..Your 4:43 post is exactly what I was trying to convey, and takes it to the next logical step. Thanks!

                      KILL NUCLEAR POWER NOW !


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                    • richard richard
                      May 19, 2012 at 9:23 pm

                      @bobby – not sure i'd be quoting einstein – he got us into this friggin mess ;)


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                • richard richard
                  May 19, 2012 at 8:54 am

                  i kinda think "incoherence, anger and drinking habits" contributed to many of the art works of the modern world :) just taking a look around, tis all.

                  http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rro/lowres/rron1045l.jpg


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                  • arclight arclight
                    May 19, 2012 at 9:29 pm

                    @ richard

                    "not sure i'd be quoting einstein – he got us into this friggin mess"

                    lol funny you should say that…

                    Chris Busby- Einstein, Politics and Reality

                    "He explains that the process of surrendering philosophical descriptions of the Universe to the physicists began with the dislocation caused in Natural Philosophy through the acceptance of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity in the early 20th Century. The constraints placed on the dimensions of reality which this produced enabled physicists to achieve a unique position as a class of individuals who could maintain anything, however impossible, on the basis of mathematical reductionism, and no-one could argue about this without being attacked for being stupid: a classical Emperor's New Clothes situation. Busby presents two Proofs which show Einstein's Postulates to be incorrect and he thereby re-instates the luminiferous aether of Maxwell/Lorentz, which was anyway shown to exist through the precise interferometer experiments of Miller in the 1920s……"

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nIj-brxAJs

                    ;)


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          • Bobby1
            May 18, 2012 at 2:00 pm

            I used to drink scotch, but switched to wine for health reasons. Drank too much wine a couple of times since I have been here… "in vino veritas" they say, one day it'll be my turn.


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 17, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Good article on the debate concerning our 'inflationary vs deflationary' future. I have a friend who has been my mentor in things economic, I have learned a lot from him and owe him a big debt of gratitude for that. He is a Fekete-fan, just emailed this recent article by Fekete.

    Fekete is very bright guy. Some of his stuff can be hard for me to understand, but this one, if you read it with attention, is pretty understandable/accessible.

    The prediction of run-away hyperinflation has been made repeatedly and by many analysts/observers over the past couple of years, and according to that theory the inflation should have happened before this (because of all of the humongous printing by the FED of the 'funny-money' FRNs). Fekete has been disagreeing, and so far that fabled inflation has not hit – Fekete has been right, in other words.

    http://www.professorfekete.com/articles%5CAEFNoBusinessLikeBondBusinessStill.pdf


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  • anne anne
    May 17, 2012 at 9:34 am

    “SOLAR ECLIPSE THIS WEEKEND: On Sunday, May 20th, the Moon will pass in front of the Sun, producing an annular solar eclipse visible across the Pacific side of Earth. The path of annularity, where the sun will appear to be a "ring of fire" stretches from China and Japan to the middle of North America:

    “An animated eclipse map prepared by Larry Koehn of ShadowandSubstance.com shows the best times to look. In the United States, the eclipse begins at 5:30 pm PDT and last for two hours. Maximum coverage is around 6:30 pm PDT.

    “Because this is not a total eclipse, some portion of the sun will always be exposed. To prevent eye damage, use eclipse glasses, a safely-filtered telescope, or a solar projector to observe the eclipse. You can make a handy solar projector by criss-crossing your fingers waffle-style. Rays of light beaming through the gaps will have the same shape as the eclipsed sun. Or look on the ground beneath leafy trees for crescent-shaped sunbeams and rings of light. [full story] [video]”
    http://spaceweather.com/


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  • Anthony Anthony
    May 17, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Rocks Set Fire In Pocket: Woman Burned By Beach Rocks That Spontaneously Combusted In Her Pants (VIDEO) »
    AP | May 17, 2012 at 01:32 AM

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/rocks-set-fire-in-pocket_n_1523235.html


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  • anne anne
    May 17, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “…It may be noted that mainstream economic theorists criticize gold-standard-oriented monetary economists and vice-versa. Most criticism leveled against Fekete originates from doctrinaire Austrian Economists.[29][30]…”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antal_E._Fekete

    Paul Krugman and Ron Paul discuss economics – as it happened
    • Nobel economist says Paul wants to turn clock back 150 years
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/apr/30/paul-krugman-ron-paul-economics

    …”Yglesias crawls along as he confounds fact and fiction and then reaches his crescendo of confusion when he states:

    “’Many of the original Austrians found their business cycle ideas discredited by the Great Depression, in which the bust was clearly not self-correcting and country after country stimulated real output by abandoning the gold standard and engaging in deficit spending. Then for a long time after World War II, policy elites more or less agreed on a combination of “automatic” fiscal stabilizers (the deficit naturally goes up during recessions as tax revenues fall and social service outlays rise) and interest rate cuts. And it worked, so nobody much cared about Austrian economics outside of crank circles.’”…
    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Circle-Bastiat/2012/0109/Ron-Paul-We-are-all-Austrians-now.


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    • anne anne
      May 17, 2012 at 11:23 am

      Awakening to Ron Paul’s Crony Capitalism
      January 9, 2012 by Keith Gardner
      Ron Paul believes in the feudalism of the land barons and gold bankers of King George.
      http://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/awakening-to-ron-pauls-crony-capitalism/


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      • bleep_hits_blades
        May 17, 2012 at 12:09 pm

        This article, Awakening to Ron Paul's Crony Capitalism, is so full of errors that I hardly know where to begin.

        For one thing, Ron Paul is not a 'crony capitalist' – he pretty much stands alone and has for years stood virtually alone in opposition to the insider clique of Republicrats who control politics in D.C.

        Second: King George was not a 'gold banker'. The entire paper money scam was first introduced to Europe by William Patterson in the late 1600s, & England began using it. What it does in essence is give the government 'money for nothing' via the hidden tax of inflation.

        http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php

        The colonial unbacked currencies, were a disaster, following the usual path of unbacked paper currencies, which is inflation into worthlessness. The colonial scripts basically were over-issued & their use led to huge price inflation and many people, business people, etc. were financially ruined by them.

        "This is a favorable moment to shut and bar the door against paper money. The mischief of the various experiments which have been made are now fresh in the public mind and have excited the disgust of all the respectable parts of America."
        – Oliver Ellsworth, a delegate from Connecticut, who later became this nation's third Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

        "Of all the contrivances devised for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes him with paper money…


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      • anne anne
        May 17, 2012 at 8:42 pm

        "Ron Paul believes in the feudalism of the land barons and gold bankers of King George. Ron Paul believes land and money are capital. Land and money are not capital. They are the common wealth. They are the unearned wealth of law-made property, not the earned wealth of labor-made property. To declare any free market currency or commodity to be legal tender is state intervention and a corruption of free markets. Title to land is state intervention and corruption of free markets. The Bible and the classical liberals understand this distinction. Ron Paul does not make this distinction. Ron Paul wants government to allow the banks and land barons to steal the common wealth. Ron Paul does not distinguish between earned wealth and wealth stolen through economic rent and monetary interest"
        tp://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/awakening-to-ron-pauls-crony-capitalism/


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      • anne anne
        May 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        "The awakening to the crimes of the New World Order is being misdirected into the worship of one man, Ron Paul, and into a blind faith of a false economic paradigm of crony capitalism and corruption of free markets of the worst kind by government, the Austrian School of Economics, funded by the same people, the Rockefeller Foundation, who take an active part in the funding and control of the New World Order. What is really dangerous is that it is sold as the opposition to the New World Order and as the opposition to crony capitalism and corruption of free markets by the government when it was funded by the New World Order and when it is crony capitalism and corruption of free markets by the government."
        http://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/awakening-to-ron-pauls-crony-capitalism/


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    • anne anne
      May 18, 2012 at 1:14 am

      Gold
      Who Owns Most of the World's Gold?
      4% of the World Controls 12.6% of the Gold
      http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/who-owns-worlds-gold/2491


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      • anne anne
        May 18, 2012 at 1:14 am

        “The value of that short tennis court sized cube is about $1.8 trillion. This compares to the US government’s sovereign debt of $6.9 trillion, which until 1971 was part-backed by gold. The US Gold Reserve is just over 8,000 tonnes – which is about 6% of the total gold ever mined. It is worth about $100 billion, or 1.5% of the US national debt.
        “$1.8 trillion is about one fourteenth of the paper based international bond markets, which themselves, at about $26 trillion, are about two thirds composed of western government sovereign debt almost all of which has appeared, co-incidentally, since 1971 and the declared supremacy of paper money, which was what allowed governments to borrow without caution. The total gold content of the world would pay – at current values – about 7% of the international bond market's sovereign debt. But of course 75% of the world's gold is not available to governments – being held privately as jewellery, bullion and coin. In fact only about 30,000 tonnes, about 1% of the world's sovereign debt is what is held in central bank gold reserves.
        “Meanwhile the entire gold stock of the world – including the privately held bulk – is much less than one half of one percent of the underwritten risk in the global financial derivatives markets.
        “The world has placed absolute trust in paper currency denominated assets. Investors have shunned gold for about twenty years while the notional value of paper based financial assets has exploded.


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        • anne anne
          May 18, 2012 at 1:15 am

          “Who owns the gold ?
          “About 30,000 tonnes of the world’s gold [20-25% of above ground inventory] is held in central bank vaults.
          “Major Central Bank Reserves (2000)
          Nations & institutions Reserves (Tonnes)
          USA 8139
          Germany 3469
          IMF 3217
          France 3025
          Switzerland 2590
          Italy 2452
          “The totals for other central banks tail off rapidly after these main holders. Most only hold a few hundred tonnes, and together they make up a bit over 30,000 tonnes in all.
          “The rest is held by individuals in the form of gold jewellery [approx 70,000 - 80,000 tonnes], coin and privately held bullion [combined at 20,000 tonnes].”
          http://www.galmarley.com/FAQs_pages/commodity_essentials_faqs.htm


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 17, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    It is impossible to have a basic understanding of economics & to find favor with this muddled, confused, inaccurate article.

    A good new book on the money issue is DISHONEST MONEY – FINANCING THE ROAD TO RUIN.

    A longer & more thorough exploration of this all-important issue is THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND by G.Edward Griffin.

    A quick & easy way to check out these books is to look them up on Amazon & read about them, including reader comments, some of which can be very accurate & informative.

    Murray Rothbard is a good source of information – WHAT HAS GOVERNMENT DONE TO OUR MONEY & other titles.

    The basic fact is that money needs to have intrinsic value, in order that its amount in circulation cannot be rapidly fluctuated. With electronic or paper money, it is 'created out of nothing' by the Fed and the government working together. What always happens is that govt. creates a whole lot of money & over-all that leads to price inflation.

    Money is traded like a commodity in the marketplace, & when the amount in circulation is increased, its value relative to the goods & services for which it is traded/exchanged declines, in the same way that fruit in season is cheaper than fresh fruit out of season. This is the well known 'law of supply and demand.'

    Since the formation of the Federal Reserve, our unbacked money has lost over 95% of its value. The Fed has the power to create inflation & recession at will by expanding or contracting the money supply.


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    The reason that gold & silver are the best & most honest money is simply that their amount in circulation cannot be rapidly fluctuated. In other words, they have stable value. Hence yhey work well as a store of value (unlike FRNs – and the Deutsche Reichsmark of WW I which was inflated into worthlessness during & after WW I).

    With our present system of imaginary money (book-keeping entry or worthless paper/metal slugs), those who control its volume in circulation can do so with a few computer keystrokes. Depressions and inflations are created at will.

    Our country prospered in the 19th Century with a money supply mandated by the Constitution to be gold or silver.

    The United States Constitution STILL declares, in Article I, Section 10, "No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts." – this places the burden on the states, you notice (at that time the federal govt. had very limited powers, were subordinate to the states). It requires the states to transact their business in gold or silver coin. But it leaves the people free to 'make a deal' privately – to barter, to use Spanish Doubloons or warehouse tobacco receipts or commodities as money in their private transactions.

    Because gold and silver are real, & scarce, their amount in circulation cannot be rapidly fluctuated up or down by any controlling entity like government or banks. Thus their use as money leads to economic stability – stable prices.


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    • anne anne
      May 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm

      Most of the gold in the world is held by globalists outside the US.


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      • bleep_hits_blades
        May 17, 2012 at 11:31 pm

        Just fyi, anne, I am not going to debate the money issue with you. Your position seems to be in line with your religious beliefs – and I doubt that you would change your opinions/position to deviate from your religion-determined position, no matter what. So it would probably be a waste of my time and energy to try to dialogue/exchange information on the subject with you.

        This is an area in which you and I had best 'agree to disagree.'

        Others here might find your pov to be of interest.

        Cheers!


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        • NoNukes NoNukes
          May 18, 2012 at 1:16 am

          bleep,

          Admin clearly stated:

          "1) NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER"


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          • bleep_hits_blades
            May 18, 2012 at 4:25 am

            NoNukes, the biggest scam of all is fractional reserve banking and central banks.

            Well, why don't you report me for that post of mine declining to debate economics with Anne, if you think it violates Admin.s ruling. Frankly I think any such interpretation would be a far reach, but if you're bugged by my post to Anne, by all means go to Admin. with your concerns.


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            • NoNukes NoNukes
              May 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm

              bleep,

              Admin has made it really simple for us by stating 1) NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER, the definition of "whatsoever" is "at all," which would include your discussion of someone else's "religious beliefs."

              what·so·ev·er/ˌ(h)wətsōˈevər/
              Adverb:
              At all (used for emphasis)
              http://www.google.com/search?ix=hcb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=whatsoever

              World English Dictionary
              whatsoever (ˌwɒtsəʊˈɛvə)

              — adj
              1. ( postpositive ) at all: used as an intensifier with indefinite pronouns and determiners such as none, any, no one, anybody , etc

              http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whatsoever

              whatsoever [ˌwɒtsəʊˈɛvə]
              adj
              1. (postpositive) at all: used as an intensifier with indefinite pronouns and determiners such as none, any, no one, anybody, etc.
              http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whatsoever


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              • ENENews
                May 18, 2012 at 12:21 pm

                Thanks NoNukes.

                Though the off-topic forum is kind of a gray area, and that's my fault. Basically here's my thinking on the matter…

                I wish I could just let everybody post whatever they want, but can't for two main reasons:

                1) It takes up too much of my time dealing with disputes and other problems.

                2) Distracting comments suck! It's hard to know if a comment is worth reading before you actually read it and by then it's too late. Readers look to the comments for additional insights and if it's off-topic, attention-seeking, rude/hateful, hysterical, too long, etc. then people may view the material less seriously.

                If anyone has a suggestion(s) on how to make things run smoother or better, please respond.


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                • NoNukes NoNukes
                  May 18, 2012 at 12:46 pm

                  Hi Admin,

                  I think that it makes it very clear, and that "2) NO PERSONAL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER" will force us to focus on the topic and not the personalities of those posting, etc. It has already changed the way that I think about posting for the better. So these guidelines apply to all threads?


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                  • dharmasyd
                    May 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm

                    @NoNukes–Admin says, "It's hard to know if a comment is worth reading before you actually read it and by then it's too late." Yes. We do have the Choice of what we read, click on, but it's not all clear cut, and can be too late.
                    This is why it is good to limit or eliminate comments which are too far off the mark.


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                • Spectrometising
                  May 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm

                  Gday admin….perhaps make the first button you hit prior to posting take you to a second dialogue indicating what you wish the poster to know, and also this gives the poster a chance to review his/her post, with a back button to go back to edit if the poster decides.

                  Currently there is a single button and it is away. A second button forces the poster to look again before leaping/positing.

                  For instance Ebay purchases have a dialogue to review the decision before committing to buy.


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                • Bobby1
                  May 18, 2012 at 2:19 pm

                  Admin, some people coming in here are sick or have recently lost a loved one. I would like you to think about the vast increase in numbers of people coming in here, within the next year or two, who will recently have been bereaved. And consider how they can be treated with dignity, in a membership that sometimes acts immature.

                  I'm not saying I have the answer.


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                • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
                  May 18, 2012 at 3:02 pm

                  Admin, I would suggest either of these ideas to ensure members read the Comment rules..

                  1) Place the "Before clicking 'Submit Comment'" rules above where it says Leave a Reply.

                  2) Or put the "Before clicking 'Submit Comment" rules above the Submit comment button.

                  This would make the Rules of comment more likely to be seen. We tend to quickly hit the Submit comment button & as a result do Not read the Rules listed. I think this is in part do to the fact that I have to scroll down below the Submit Comment button to see the rules.

                  I do agree with preventing all discussions of religion on this site. Any talk of religion will always insult, antagonize or anger someone in a group this large. I know that most of the religious comments are Not meant to harm anyone. But religions Do claim that others are wrong in their beliefs if you do not agree.

                  When I tell others about EneNews I tell them how wonderful it is to be able to debate issues & share information with people from around the world. And yet we often do not know the color of their skin, their nationality or religious beliefs.

                  We can certainly give support to those who are sick or bereaved without ever bringing religion into it.


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                  • Bobby1
                    May 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm

                    Two years from now, this forum (if it still exists) will be dominated by the exploding health crisis in progress. This is virtually a mathematical certainty. If you yourself are not affected, someone close to you will be, and there will be families forced into poverty by high medical bills, people who had to quit their jobs to take care of a loved one, bereavements etc. The focus will not be on the harm that radiation might bring humanity in a theoretical sense, but how it is already tearing lives apart.

                    Might as well start planning for this now.

                    This particular coal mine canary is about chirped out.


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                  • arclight arclight
                    May 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm

                    @maidhaven

                    ".. And yet we often do not know the color of their skin, their nationality or religious beliefs…."

                    coool! like!


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                    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
                      May 19, 2012 at 12:52 pm

                      :) ArcLight, To me this site has shown that if we are willing to not cross that line in the sand then we all can get along & work toward a common good.

                      A dreamer I am…I believe that many people can take this simple concept & extend that to the world around them. There will always be limitations, but there will always be times where this concept Does work.

                      It really does start with 1 person.


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                • arclight arclight
                  May 19, 2012 at 11:05 am

                  we need a religous thread moderated by someone you trust.. with some basic civil rules on discussion.. and a warning that it might get heavy before you click the link…

                  i nominate anne to moderate (i have a funny feeling that she might be there from time to time :) )as its a usa site
                  would be nice to discuss all religions and beliefs though some night clash ie.

                  spiritualism that talks to dead people and some evangelical denominations for instance

                  however we are all grown ups (and a lemming) here and i reckon it could be made to work..

                  busby for instance is a bit of a new ager shaman type if you ask me.. where do we discuss stuff like that.. a specific thread i could visit on a sunday (im hedging against the 2012 thing)

                  anyway it just hit me on one of my last posts that extracting a side of human experience is going to be difficult and if a conversation springs up elsewhere it can be moved there with no fuss or the poster can be guided there by one of the enenewsers regulars..

                  what say you!!


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                  • arclight arclight
                    May 19, 2012 at 11:07 am

                    oops @admin

                    and the err exclamation marks should be question marks??

                    :)


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes
                      May 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm

                      arclight, I was laughing because Admin does have a sense of humor. How do I report Gundersen and Admin, lol?

                      You are not the first to suggest such a thread. MaidenHeaven has good points and you do, too. Although now it occurs to me that I should report both of you for your names alone, lol!


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                  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
                    May 19, 2012 at 11:11 am

                    Hi arclight, but WHY should Enenews have a religious forum?
                    I'm not too fond of the thought, to be honest.


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                  • richard richard
                    May 19, 2012 at 11:20 am

                    Arc, I like everything, but respectfully, in my opinion, I don't think it's a need. But hey, this isn't a democracy, and it's certainly not my say.

                    If it's news and by association there is religion then it's a related item. But really, does my local news service give me a religious update with every article – you can guess the answer is no. They may tell me the weather.

                    For me, I go thru my entire daily life untouched by religion, it's never an issue. When it starts flicking across my screen too much it becomes very noticeable.

                    Also, if there was a side thread, the comments would arrive within the other comments of substance. Still in your face.

                    Can't religion just go to another website, i just don't get the connection. No offense intended.


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                  • anne anne
                    May 19, 2012 at 11:57 am

                    @arc. Thanks, but I have way, way too much to do to be a moderator, and I'm too disabled to take on a computer committment. Also, I like some of the forums on this website, because once you've said something, you don't need to repeat it. This would be the same with a philosophy forum. I doubt anyone would spend much, if any, time on a philosophy forum. It seems to me that certain comments got interjected from time to time as a way to attack people. I used to put quotes up because I really don't like fighting with people. Mostly my disputes were just quoting news articles with the opinions of others.


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                  • snowwy snowwy
                    May 19, 2012 at 11:58 am

                    i say that I will laugh my guts out on december 22nd… cannot wait… a day after yule ;)


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                  • NoNukes NoNukes
                    May 19, 2012 at 12:15 pm

                    lol, arclight, you're right!


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                    • arclight arclight
                      May 19, 2012 at 12:19 pm

                      i may be wrong actually

                      i got trumped by maidhaven.. :(

                      ".. And yet we often do not know the color of their skin, their nationality or religious beliefs…" see above

                      very clever :(

                      makes a VERY strong point perhaps?

                      looks like this tree root has another rock to grow around ? (am i allowed to say that ? lol! errm :) )


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes
                      May 19, 2012 at 1:14 pm

                      post ended up in the wrong place:

                      NoNukes
                      May 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm
                      arclight, I was laughing because Admin does have a sense of humor. How do I report Gundersen and Admin, lol?

                      You are not the first to suggest such a thread. MaidenHeaven has good points and you do, too. Although now it occurs to me that I should report both of you for your names alone, lol!


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                  • JoyB
                    May 19, 2012 at 12:28 pm

                    Naw, a religious thread would just degenerate into one big pie fight. But it seems to me that lots of odd topics and philosophically based speculations find a home in this OT forum, and that's okay.

                    As for the silly Mayan thing, my daughter's birthday is December 21 so we're throwing an End Of The World Party. Sort of like our Y2K End Of The World Party back at the turn of the century. more than 40 people in tents and trucks all over the place, a series of ethernetted 'pooters for the Millennium Pod Racing Championship (grandson won, after 3 days of 24-hour rotations for the brackets), a great time was had by all.

                    The coolest part was right at midnight as we were all gathered around the campfire (because it was darned cold), a line of locust trees atop the ridge blew up about 8 feet up the trunks. Don't know why, thought it was an explosion in town until we saw the wreckage the next morning. Pretty cool…


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                • aigeezer aigeezer
                  May 19, 2012 at 12:39 pm

                  Not every visitor here has benign intent.

                  Some routine methods to harm any site:

                  1. Create diversions.
                  2. Make the site seem flaky or unpalatable.
                  3. Burn up bandwidth.
                  4. Spread misinformation and disinformation.

                  Any rules need a site-protective component to deal with such assaults in addition to any normal "fair play among peers" issues.

                  When someone posts from an apparent religious perspective, they may just be indulging in one of these listed items. They may be Mother Teresa, Elmer Gantry, Big Energy, a concerned citizen, a nut-bar or a kid having fun – it's the Internet.

                  I'd prefer that all such stuff be banned, but a Hyde Park Speaker's Corner solves some mischief issues, and Google adwords can help pay for the bandwidth.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers%27_Corner

                  People with proselytizing religious fervor will always try to put their nose into any tent. Various other parties may also seek entry using that opening. Both categories are in play here, inevitably.

                  Would you like to hear the glorious message of redemption that Almalexia and the Nine Divines have for you, right here on Enenews?… Neither would I.

                  The "off-topic" thread should have done the trick… but it didn't. Neither will an omnibus religion sandbox, I fear. Almalexia will demand her own eventually.

                  Suggested general principle: protect the site from assaults as first priority, user harmony as second priority. There is overlap, of course.


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                  • anne anne
                    May 19, 2012 at 2:09 pm

                    I used to give some quotations to give people hope at the end of the world. But the only people who argued with me were either pro-Nukers or political operatives who just wanted to get me banned from the site because they can't argue on an intellectual basis for anything.

                    I don't think a philosophy forum would end in a pie fight. I think it would mostly get ignored. I find the belief systems of other people very interesting. If a person is very sure of his/her belief system, it isn't threatening to hear how someone else thinks. Especially if that puts that person into the anti-Nuke stance. All I'm really interested in on this site is getting rid of all things nuclear.

                    Belief systems are actually very relevant and they can many times guide a person into an anti-Nuke or a pro-Nuke stance.

                    I didn't mind what Bleep said about my belief system and economics. It's just that I can no longer discuss with him/her on that issue without getting banned from the site. That then makes her remarks no longer a discussion, but an attack on me and no way I can defend myself intellectually or otherwise.


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    'The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can CONFISCATE, secretly & unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.' John Maynard Keynes

    History proves that the best thing to use as money is gold &/or silver coin. They have been the money of choice of most cultures that reached the stage of having a 'universal medium of exchange' – i.e. got above simple barter level. Gold & silver are durable, divisible, scarce, desirable (for their beauty & as money), & valuable in small amounts.

    But MOST IMPORTANT in the modern world – their amount in circulation cannot be easily & rapidly fluctuated up (inflation) or down (depression) by a few powerful men.

    "Banking was conceived in iniquity & was born in sin. Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the POWER TO CREATE DEPOSITS, & with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it all away from them, & all the great fortunes like mine will disappear, & they ought to disappear, for the world would be a happier & better world to live in. BUT IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN SLAVES OF THE BANKERS, & PAY THE COST OF YOUR OWN SLAVERY,LET THEM CONTINUE TO CREATE DEPOSITS."
    Sir Josiah Stamp, past pres. of the Bank of England.

    "Give me control of a nation's currency, & I care not who makes the laws."
    Founder of Rothschild banking dynasty


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  • mungo mungo
    May 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    r.i.p. donna…Donna Summer, queen of disco, dies at 63


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK
    May 17, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Get ready; scary things are on the horizon.

    Most of us have suspected for some time that they're planning another 911-type false-flag operation. As you're about to read, apparently not everyone in law enforcement is willing to accept the wholesale murder of their fellow citizens.

    This story's extremely important! Get it out to every alternative news venue before it's taken down…

    FBI Agent Fleeing Massive Manhunt Warns “They’re All Insane”

    http://www.eutimes.net/2012/05/fbi-agent-fleeing-massive-manhunt-warns-theyre-all-insane/


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    • Spectrometising
      May 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      Thanks Aftershock.
      Reminds me of this scenario.
      Published on May 14, 2012 by wepollock

      The Everhard forecast of 1908 speaks to the development of an all powerful oligarchy that squeeze out the middle class by bankrupting everyone in their path. People would become slaves easily distracted by words and propaganda. This would prevent all those who had solutions to offer from gaining traction. Everhard predicted the medical industrial complex, copyright laws, and restrictions in the flow of information. He also suggested that powerful interests would be combined into one mass and held together by cohesive power and through the action of central banks. The elite will divide and conquer until wealth gets allocated in a few hands. Schools will no longer teach they will crush free thinking in order to support the oligarchy. All the industries would be subject to the wrath of the central bankers. Organized mercenaries, agents, and jackals would control the will of nations seeking to rebel. It was suggested this secret force would rebel against the oligarchs."
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUfRaHW7Xzk


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
      May 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      Hi Aftershock, that sounds scary indeed. I wonder where the missing FBI agent is?
      Thanks for posting this.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK
        May 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm

        @BreadAndButter: more important than anything else, make sure you get this story out to other news sites. These two agents have likely sacrificed not only careers but quite possibly their lives, in coming forward with this information. GET THIS STORY OUT!


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        • Spectrometising
          May 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm

          Me too Aftershock.
          Shows signs of being real news.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK
            May 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm

            @Spectrometising: I agree. Fact is, I've developed a good eye for disinformation. From the range of MSM controlled responses, I can tell this one's for real. BIN has already picked it up. They have a crowd that's almost as cynical as ours, when it come to BS. The response is leaning ninety-five percent towards the believable. The fact that they even arrested his buddy right after he flew the coop, says it all. They're likely too deep into the operation to back-out now. That's why it's imperative that this story be circulated before the fact. It may not prevent it, but is sure as hell won't be as easy covering it up as it was after 911.

            I'm outta here…

            …that is, for a few minutes…


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            • ENENews
              May 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm

              One indicator that a story should be viewed with suspicion is if originates here: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/

              For example, the FBI story above:

              http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1579.htm

              Every hear of Sorcha Faal? If not look him/her up.

              Please watch out for the 'EU Times'.


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              • NoNukes NoNukes
                May 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm

                I didn't see this post, Admin, and I don't know anything about Sorcha Faal. Thanks.


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              • What-About-The-Kids
                May 18, 2012 at 2:19 pm

                I agree, Admin. Thanks for pointing this out. I had stumbled across other articles by this person in the past, and it appears they write mostly hateful disinfo aimed against the U.S. and other nations.

                Caution and intelligent critical thinking is necessary when reading articles from various sources online. If you read through several of their previously written articles, you will find that this person obviously has a huge ax to grind (and may be a paid agent themselves…).

                But I do admit I found the story about this agent in Burbank to be pretty bizarre, just from my reading about it in the MSM last week. Why would they need to send so many agents and police out to help "save" this one "distraught" and "possibly suicidal" man from himself? My first thought was that he must have some sensitive information they don't want getting out. But still, unless we have some facts corroborating such claims, they remain just that, "claims" and "rumors."

                A healthy skepticism and questioning attitude are always good ways of not being sucked into possible propaganda and disinfo (no matter who may be dishing it out…)

                Just my two cents.


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        • NoNukes NoNukes
          May 17, 2012 at 2:32 pm

          The Consulate of San Francisco? Why warn him? Haven't we been through enough? Someone must really not like us. Google, Facebook, Apple? Hello? Are none of you paying attention? Stop with the video games already, get somebody on this. Do something useful about the radiation in our air and water.


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    • arclight arclight
      May 18, 2012 at 7:55 am

      "..was approached near his hotel room…"

      "..Before Ivens was able to finish his “message,” this report says, the three American Diplomatic Security (DS) agents, who trail all Russian diplomats in the US, began to “surge” towards Ivens causing him to flee…"

      he outsurged the superfit highly trained DS agents with their satellite tracking etc..?? escaping the hotel??

      do these diplomats have a surveillance team and what would be the likely number? are there hotel rooms under surveillance as well?

      its likely that the russians are REALLY angry about the missile defence system in europe.. as of last year russian strategic missiles were placed with targetting along the russian border from finland to turkey and probably betond because of the usa not wanting to negotiate…

      kinda cool if the russians will take in american dissident and whistleblowers though! somewhere to run! though bosnia has no extradition treaty with the usa nor does serbia … just saying! ;)

      i err looked into it !


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Yes we are living in crisis times now, especially with the nuclear crisis.

    However, life is still going on as we speak/write, and scams are still being run on us that it would be good for us to know about in order to use our power to put a stop to them.

    I posted all of that stuff on money because somebody posted an article full of mis and dis information on the subject, and it is one of the most important subjects for the people to understand because manipulation the monetary unit and supply is a major means by which governments and big business surreptitiously confiscate/appropriate the earnings of the world's producers/workers to THEMSELVES.

    It is a pernicious scam, basically legalized theft, and a very important subject to study in order that we not continue be such rubes/sitting ducks.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
      May 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      Yep. The Greeks have taken 800 million Euros in one day from their bank accounts 2 days ago, fearing the extreme left might win the new elections in June – which would probably force them to leave the Eurozone.
      Disaster in the making.


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      • Spectrometising
        May 17, 2012 at 1:52 pm

        B&B removing money from a bank is always excellent news. Every dollar in the bank creates an additional 100 fiat dollars of debt loans

        The Icelandic people showed how it is to be done.

        Published on Mar 6, 2012 by ravenise00

        The Canadian government has announced that they are ready to talk about Iceland adopting the Canadian currency which sort of came out of the clear blue sky. This isn't Iceland's idea because Iceland has made it very clear that they do not want to get entangled with world banks or IMF or any of this other stuff… they just want to live their own lives isolated from this globalist economy and as a result Iceland's economy is doing very well right now… so this move by Canada is an attempt to basically lure Iceland back into an IMF world bank banking system and I think Iceland's going to say no.

        We see very often with corporations, with banking systems, even with governments a desire to simply destroy anybody who might have a different or better way of doing things rather than to invest the time and effort and energy in improving their own nation and its a de-evolution of our society to allow that to happen… we should all be working together to make all of our lives better and our biggest enemy to all mankind are those who believe that whatever deity they worship intended them to automatically have all of life's blessings to the exclusion of everybody else. -Rivero
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVV0dz6m-4


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  • CB CB
    May 17, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    YAAY! NDAA declared unconstitutional, Indefinite detention of Americans blocked by the court
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdGjTKIX__o


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  • dosdos dosdos
    May 17, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Hey everyone. In hospital, healing from surgery, aorta replacement. More when I get out, as it's hard to type in these beds. But I'm recovering more quickly than most. Later.


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  • WildTurnip WildTurnip
    May 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Oh, dosdos! I hope you get well soon!


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  • NoNukes NoNukes
    May 18, 2012 at 1:26 am

    So happy that you're having a speedy recovery. I'm sorry that you had to have the surgery, and we want to hear the story when you are better!


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  • aigeezer aigeezer
    May 18, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Thinking of "bugging out"? It may not be as easy as you think. Doors are closing, bit by bit.

    http://dailyreckoning.com/run-saverin-run/


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  • ironysteele ironysteele
    May 18, 2012 at 9:53 am

    "Rocks from San Onofre State Beach catch fire in woman's pocket after apparent spontaneous combustion!"
    I am in North San Diego County and just heard about this story on the morning news….

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/05/17/woman-severely-burned-after-rocks-spontaneously-combust-in-pocket/


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK
    May 18, 2012 at 11:55 am

    yes…we all have much to atone for…

    "New Jersey Town’s Monument Irritates Japanese Officials"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/nyregion/monument-in-palisades-park-nj-irritates-japanese-officials.html


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  • Spectrometising
    May 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I Shall Return !! On March 11, 1942 Lt. Gen. Douglas MacArthur leaves the Philippine Islands after boasting that his men could repel any Japanese invasion.

    Don't know why, but i keep thinking/using Douglas MacArthur proclamation, so it may as well be off topic.


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  • norbu norbu
    May 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    a large solar event just happened. eclipse sunday. http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/ live sun mpeg movie. very large cme.


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  • anne anne
    May 18, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    The Ultimate Conspiracy: Eugenics and population control (opinion)

    “…Although Day was aware of the "Secret Agenda" within organized medicine to cull the world's population, he was now free to speak because the closely guarded "Closed Conspiracy" was now an "Open Conspiracy" stating that "…everything is in place and nobody can stop us now."

    “Bear in mind that besides the Rockefeller Foundation, other proponents of this "conspiracy" are Bill Gates, Barack Obama and probably Monsanto….”
    http://www.naturalnews.com/035896_eugenics_population_control_babies.html


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK
      May 18, 2012 at 5:46 pm

      @anne: I love the variety of stuff you put out here Anne. Was speaking on this in another forum just yesterday. And yes, it has been in motion for a lot longer than most are aware.

      As to people waking up now? When they could've done something about it, they were too busy making babies and dreaming of sugarplums. Now that they're finding themselves locked-out of the castle, they rail against the injustice of it all. Other than words, the majority have done nothing to ensure the security of others. And not unlike all great judgements, what's about to descend is long overdue…


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      • richard richard
        May 18, 2012 at 8:07 pm

        Great judgements? Whats that supposed to mean? This de-population junk is just another distraction. No one is coordinating such baloney, you gotta stay away from the lunies at Alex Jones.

        Great judgments my hat, this is sounding religious.


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        • majia
          May 18, 2012 at 8:17 pm

          I don't believe it [deliberate depopulation] has been anyone's intent,

          but, that sure may be the effect of our atomic disasters, endless wars, corporatized round-up laden food, chemical pollution, and fresh water destruction.

          In a sense, it doesn't matter if it is intended or not.

          Indeed, it would be easier if it was intended;

          then we could simply chop off the king's head

          Harder to solve if it stems from greed and corruption as opposed to calculated evil


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          • richard richard
            May 18, 2012 at 8:48 pm

            World politics and dysfunction sure looks like calculated evil to me. Deliberate de-pop just doesn't add up though.

            But really, I don't get into this debate, I think it reflects badly for the website.

            The other problem I have is the statement 'great judgments'. As I mentioned above.

            Yes majia, depop may be occurring by accident. But that's not really what the AJ flock are talking about.


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            • majia
              May 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

              The populist right has been most successful in getting its message across.

              Much of the intelligentsia got too distracted by high theory and cultural politics and has failed to "talk to the people" about the dispossession that is occurring.

              [Naomi Klein, Chris Hedges, and Noam Chomsky are exceptions, among others]

              [Environmentalists are also an exception but a lot of people think they cost jobs without fully recognizing externalities]

              So, AJ gets to frame the issues

              Unfortunately, guns are not the solution


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              • Bobby1
                May 18, 2012 at 9:20 pm

                The left offers nothing but more government regulations. The government is corrupt. Take the EPA, how is that working out? Are they protecting the environment?

                The libertarian right appeals to those who like small communities and self-rule. Unfortunately, it has not addressed the problem of corporations' thieving, polluting & seizing power. Government and corporations are two peas in a pod.


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                • richard richard
                  May 18, 2012 at 9:46 pm

                  @bob – totally agree with your take of corp.gov

                  politically though, i get vague here. i don't really choose a side having xyz, i just consider an issue and maybe how it sits with others individually.

                  to me, you and i are clearly allies in what we see as issues of corp.gov, and we've disagreed on other issues. which is how it should be. but i don't have a clue what 'side' you (or i) are on in the political spectrum.

                  just my two cents.. doesn't mean much. i kind of wish political issues could be voted on individually, instead of taking a 'party' line, that's what i'm saying. if that makes sense.

                  wow, we've digressed here (sorry, i've disgressed). i gotta head out into my day.


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                • majia
                  May 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm

                  I agree too Bobby

                  I had been so naive to think that our government agencies were not corrupt throughout.

                  I really believed the health and environment agencies were relatively ok and that their challenges had been legislative

                  But now I see how corrupt these agencies are.

                  But libertarians would "free" the market even more and the market has the money to corrupt EVERYTHING ENTIRELY,

                  which is what the market has done


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          • Pu239 Pu239
            May 19, 2012 at 3:00 am

            I tend to agree Majia, in a sense. I think depop is definitely on their minds (e.g. the Skull and Bones crowd), but that a large-scale nuclear accident was not on their agenda as one of the preferred methods.

            Reason: it kills them too, and they know enough to know that, even if they learned it from Hollywood movies.


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    • weeman
      May 19, 2012 at 11:30 am

      The earth can only support so many people, so we must realize that at some point we are going to need population control, as it is we are almost their, I personnely do not think this world is for humans and a few trophy animals, I like bio diversity.
      Nuclear will depopulate but leave the land uninhabitable not the way
      Nature has its own remedy it is only a matter of time before some pathogen runs rampant through a population packed so closely together, have no fear some will be immune
      Always look on the bright side


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    • JoyB
      May 19, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      Meh. All they ever needed to do was ensure the birth rate is less than the death rate, in 20-40 years the population's down to sustainable size. And of course, Monsanto and the USDA already have the ultimate population bomb in reserve, a jointly held patent on "Terminator Technology." Now that they can engineer the staple food supply to spread sterility in the natural world, it's not that hard to engineer a cultivar or two or three that carry already-marked (by epigenetic RNA attachments) genes that will readily incorporate via adsorption through the digestive lining.

      Then they just offer the antidote to those who can afford to pay for it. Voila!

      Yeah, that's really insidious and thoroughly CT. But it's not at all hard to imagine, is it? Lordy, in a world like this it's hard not to assign evil intentions to TPTB. That's a rather sad commentary.


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  • andii
    May 18, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The Japanese Emperor was seated right next to the Queen at lunch at B'ham palace. hmnn interesting.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXSBGBn6JXw


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  • arclight arclight
    May 18, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Leuren Moret: Fukushima-depopulation update; exposes Gen. Albert Stubblebine; offers solutions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZzw7PNsn_Q


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 19, 2012 at 1:15 am

    If you look on you tube (stubblebine, laibo, alex jones) – you find that alex has had them on his show numerous times.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stubblebine+laibo+natural+news&oq=stubblebine+laibo+natural+news&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube.12…85728.96246.0.98938.17.17.0.0.0.0.189.2539.3j14.17.0…0.0._8c5P1XAuno

    using a search engine, search phrase – stubblebine laibo disinformation natural solutions – brings up a whole page or more of results all alleging that Laibo & Stubblebine are dis-info opertives. So this does not say good things about Alex Jones either, of course.


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    May 19, 2012 at 1:19 am

    Here is Stubblebine's video statement/warning about the Fukushima situation, referenced by Leuren Moret in her interview with Alfred Webre -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UJIEZvX4PZI#at=78


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    May 19, 2012 at 2:29 am

    Ummm..PS..It seems we are all gussied up for company around here.
    The starch in my petticoat is getting on my nerves…..


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  • anne anne
    May 19, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Cyclops shark Sea of Cortez, Mexico – genetic mutation due to Fukushima radiation
    http://www.ecologynews.com/


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  • anne anne
    May 19, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Supervolcano Drilling Plan Gets Go-Ahead
    ROME—A project to drill deep into the heart of a “supervolcano” in southern Italy has finally received the green light, despite claims that the drilling would put the population of Naples at risk of small earthquakes or an explosion.
    http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/05/supervolcano-drilling-plan-gets.html?ref=hp


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  • justasweetgurl
    May 19, 2012 at 8:17 am

    An interesting video on the "Chinese ghost cities" where the Japanese might just possibly relocate to if they can overcome the "ancient animosity":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDeS_mXMnM


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
    May 19, 2012 at 11:12 am

    oops..sorry. I just threw up a bit in my mouth while watching this "Day 1" thingie.
    I don't dare to think of day 2.
    http://www.mittromney.com/videos


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  • weeman
    May 19, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Geothermal power generation is the future for Japan , America should be looking at the Yellowstone area to build a plant.
    Give me 5 billion dollars and I will produce more power than 2 nuclear plants, all the technology is in place


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
      May 19, 2012 at 11:53 am

      Gosh weeman, you've got a lot on your agenda: taking the media to court, build geothermal plants….
      Geothermal is quite overrated, imho.


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    • Spectrometising
      May 19, 2012 at 12:04 pm

      At a tangent to your topic weeman.

      If you listen quietly, you can still hear the social engineers looking after the interests of the big chemical polluters/herbicide/insecticides confering amongst each other, "how do we take peoples attention off total deforestation/ecocide/mass poisoning/etc and give them a scapegoat (Vaster in scale than Hitler and the Jews) so they will leave us alone.
      The greens have to be lobotomised somhow??
      Ooooooooohhhh…i know !!!!…lets tell them extinction is caused by global warming….. !!


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      • Spectrometising
        May 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm

        Renewable clean energy, CO2, the moronic greenhouse effect theory has nothing to do with extinction. That happened earlier.

        I suppose the original marketing plan was to sell nuclear energy as clean energy prior to Fukushima. Or perhaps it was just to introduce the CO2 jargon so we would ignore the incredible rate of growth of the new extinction style forestry which is sweeping our land.

        Those who live in the cities have no idea that our greens were overseeing/ignoring the most destructive revolution in forestry which includes the use of truly vast quantities of chemical herbicides to sterilize the freshly logged forest floor so that lines of cloned gums and pines are planted. (The revolutionary new forestry practice.)

        The amount of habitat destruction has never seen anything like this before. Here in Victoria Au, we are seeing the most explosive extinction of habitat ever to have occurred or to occur ever again. It is accelerating to almost 95% of state forest here that i can see. And includes poisoning all state forest adjacent to dams and the catchment areas themselves after logging. Then the cloned gums and pines are planted on the sterilised freshly logged area (The herbicide washes into the river and so on. If you look up "black water", this is the clever marketing spin to deter attention from the chemical godzilla and is said to be comprised of CO2+H2O)

        CO2 ????
        Extinction is doing just fine without CO2 or the greenhouse effect.
        Breathtaking


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        • Spectrometising
          May 19, 2012 at 12:14 pm

          I guess many have been so bamboozled by the clean energy debate and CO2 that the big chemical companies are able to dispose of vast quantities of herbicide and pesticide throughout our land (Globally.) without any environmentalist of new formation so much as even noticing. I believe the chemical companies see Au as a huge market since the economic crisis has pretty much halted demand in bankrupted countries of the northern hemisphere. Or they have run out of species to poison. Possibly the latter.

          Needless to say i consider the greens have suffered an environmental lobotomy en mass. It is quite frightening from my perspective.

          As for energy efficiency and solar/etc. Yes awesome, but it would be good to have a few colorful birds and so forth to decorate these advances as a the pinnacle of the achievement.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    May 19, 2012 at 11:53 am

    @weeman ..I agree geothermal and solar should be the future of Japan..and the rest of the world.
    See my comment..first one here.

    JP Gov is going to revenge people by power blackout
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/jp-gov-is-going-to-revenge-people-by-power-blackout/


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  • Spectrometising
    May 19, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Another exceedingly wise advice
    from Warren Pollock. I happen to know a little about finance, and this is the best financial commentator i can muster and highly recommend.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvRs1wpjgLQ


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  • Jebus Jebus
    May 19, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Here is the event that will make the threat of Fukushima's disaster, dissapear for the masses. The warmongers are ready, the killing machines are in place, and as an added bonus, it is an election year. This is not going to go well for the average Iranian, trying to make a living and support a family. This is the beginning of the very end of humanity.

    Congress opens door for US war with Iran

    Ahead of the vote Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), a tough critic of the resolution and one of the few who voted against it, warned that the US is “getting ready for war against Iran” with Thursday’s vote.

    The non-binding resolution H.Res.568 that overwhelmingly passed 401-11, effectively calls for a military attack on Iran when it obtains “nuclear weapons capability.” The vague interpretation, critics say, already applies to Iran, not to mention Brazil, Japan, the Netherlands, and actually any other country with a civilian nuclear program.

    http://www.rt.com/news/cogress-us-war-iran-573/

    The US has just set itself up for a confrontation with Russia…
    I think Putin is not happy that, this is the course of action by G8. He stiffed Obama this weekend at the G8 Nato summit.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
    May 19, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Heart!! This one's for you – best picture from today's "Blockupy" protests in Frankfurt. The police had orgiastically banned demonstrations – and look at this anarchic protestor!!
    :-)
    http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/blockupy-fotos-von-den-protesten-in-franfurt-am-samstag-fotostrecke-82529-8.html

    LOL


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    May 19, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    @ Thanks ..B and B..Indications of laughter ending with implied exclamation.


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  • Jebus Jebus
    May 19, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    It's getting colder in this world. Evil is panicking. The system is in place to stifle those who would take action. Beware in how you protest. Beware those who enthusiastically support your plans…

    Police: 3 terror suspects at NATO summit were plotting to hit Obama's campaign HQs

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/19/us/nato-terror-suspects/


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  • Bubbha
    May 19, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Believe in the beauty and strength our your own being. Forget the foolish belief that you and your fellow human beings were born evil. Those who would control you all the days of your life on earth perpetuate the belief iihtsipaitapiiyo?pa (Source of Life) made things to have a bad spirit.

    Live a life of truth and honesty. This makes you a person of quality and dignity. Truth and honesty are the kind of leadership qualities that attracts others.

    Give honor and respect to others regardless of age and situation in life. This quality makes you and others worthy of honor and respect, which makes others, feel worthwhile and fulfilled. Honor and respect empowers others so they can win the day. They will return it to you fourfold.

    Honor the earth and all that exists. Be strong in this belief and practice it throughout your life because it makes for a world of kindness that binds all the good things of life together in a circle of harmony.

    Be humble but not timid. To be humble is to connect yourself to the stars and the entire universe and makes you aware there is something unique about life that is to be enjoyed without fear. We are people from the stars and because of it we are sacred.

    Help others realize that life is a dream . . . . A beautiful dream. Dreamers are the butterflies of life and help others to realize their dreams.

    Be humorous and help others to enjoy life and the life of others. Humor makes you attractive. The humorous person has many guests and…


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