FORUM: Off-Topic Discussion Thread (Non-Nuclear Issues) for Feb. 26, 2012 – Jan. 5, 2013

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  • sentinelle sentinelle

    This is probably on-topic somewhere else 😉 but I wasn't sure where.

    I just noticed this photo of the new flaring system near the sink hole. The new eternal flame…

    The detail of the image is amazing to study the location as compared to views from the heliocopter flyovers. I had forgotten they had the moss hanging from the trees down there.

  • sentinelle sentinelle


  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    7 Technologies That Will Make It Easier for the Next President to Hunt and Kill You

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    We won our vote to ban fracking in the city of Longmont, CO.

    LONGMONT — Longmont's city charter will now ban fracking.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    I saw something strange flying overhead this afternoon. I couldn't figure out what it was. Then I though that it must have been a drone.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Transcript of President Obama’s Election Night Speech
    Published: November 7, 2012

    The following is the full text of President Obama’s victory speech on Wednesday (Transcript courtesy of the Federal News Service).

  • Jebus Jebus

    I think were in for a change in the weather, the wind is blowing all the precious money away like so many oak leaves…

    A Change in the Weather on Wall Street

    What Hurricane Sandy has made plain is that there is a balance. We’re already paying for climate change, and that tax is only going to rise. Advocates for action can make the same argument as those who mock climate change: to do nothing is to be anti-jobs, anti-growth, anti-American values. “We are starting to see some acknowledgement that the numbers are enormous, but not nearly as much as we should,” said Mindy Lubber, the president of Ceres. “This is a fundamental economic issue. There aren’t a lot of things that have shut down the stock exchange.”

    • Insight

      The Committee for Economic Value of Individual Lives (E.V.I.L.)
      Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil, as well as current market conditions, The Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    I decided to voted with my heart and I do not considered it a wasted vote even though I knew she would not win. I let them know the environment is important to me (not that it matters to many in high places).

    My wish for the President is to be strong in the battle for the People, County, and the Environment.

    I hope that he forgoes, Greed, Power, Ego, Control, and Pride.
    That he is slow to anger, and not full of wrath.
    That he does not envy or lust over others/Countries who prosper
    I hope that he stops the gluttony of the wealthy, having them realize they have a higher responsibility in sharing their full share.
    That he has a higher power than those who selected him, looking over his shoulder.

    Congratulations President Obama make a positive difference

    • WindorSolarPlease

      *Country..edit button where are you

    • Maggie123

      WSP – When Obama was first elected, many minor but influential voices that warned he'd have to be watched and reminded of the principles he espoused. One lesson we taught ourselves IMO is that the need to "ride herd" on politicians *never* goes away.

      It's also my opinion that "culture of politics" reflects dominant cultural beliefs/practices of the whole society. Financial and other corruptions we witness were able to develop in part because to some extent we'd drunk the same kool-aid as those we elected – or due to lack of study history and human affairs we didn't recognize snake-oil sales when we heard it. A whole lot of human behaviors are involved – why is any individual or group 'susceptible to being 'enchanted'! 🙂

      I guess my point is that the need to ride herd is as strong as ever. IMO Obama will make the difference we insist that he make. If other groups exert more power/force and insist otherwise, we'll need to be on our toes, ready to challenge and to stick with the challenge. It's going to be a lot of work!

      I'm so grateful we woke to "status-quo" rather than potential "at each others throats". I feel we've got a reprieve – have posted a note to DID and others on previous page of this thread.

      I like to think I detect a "shift toward some kind of sanity" is involved in election outcome – however small the shift.

      Just sharing personal thoughts – loin girding remains in order IMO! Shucky-darn! 🙂

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Obama Wins the 2012 Election: Obama's Complete Presidential Victory

  • Insight

    Please take a look at this article:

    It is the wahhabis religious leader that will rule the world when the peace treaty is signed in the midst of WW3. Obama will welcome him with open arms.
    His name is Saudi Grand Mufti …..Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah. Please count the letters in his name. There are 26 letters. Please count the number of letters in Six hundred three score and six… it is 26 letters. God never said the number was 666. The number of the name is the same.
    Please go online for an image search of Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah and notice he has a blind eye.
    Zechariah 11:17,
    describes the idol shepherds arm will be withered and his right eye totally blinded. The Mufti will destroy all idols used in religion… all churches and religious artifacts.

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      your posts make my day


      • Sickputer

        The Mayans had it wrong! We all get three more years of Fukushima fallout before the Rapture!

        "Ted Porter of Five Doves has been pointing to this same exact 7-year period of Oct. 29, 2008 thru Sept. 23, 2015, for being the the Final 7 Years for quite some time and has even written a booklet about it. I urge you to use the search engine on Five Doves and type in Ted Porter. He will give you much more information about this 7-year period that began last week than I can give you here. 7 X 7 = one Jubilee cycle. It is extremely likely that God would give Israel one Jubilee cycle from the highly significant day of June 7, 1967, when they recaptured their holy city of Jerusalem. 7 X 7 X 360 days (a Jewish year) from that all-important day of June 7, 1967, takes us to Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, right to the day!!! Amazing!!! This should be the Final Day of the Final 7 Years, when Jesus returns at the Battle of Armageddon. Everything points to this being the case. "

        SP: I am so relieved… Numbers can't lie, can they?

        Now I can go visit the Fatherland before I die!

        Damn lying Mayans! 😉

        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          Yeah cousin! Visit the Fatherland!!

          LOLOLOL 🙂

        • Insight

          Not so sure about that rapture stuff. It certainly did not happen pre-trib because the tribulation has been going on almost 3.5 years now.
          Revelation describes WW3.
          Actually Jesus says that no man will know the day. The Mayans were not a "loving" society, they embraced war so if anything… what they predict is from the opposite side of good.
          Watch Damascus! That is a concrete fact that marks the beginning. 45 days after the fall of Damascus WW3 starts.
          Russia may require Turkey to bomb Damascus as an act of good will to be accepted in the opposition of NATO and not be attacked by China & Russia during the war. That's why all the odd plane downing and mortar flinging into Turkey happened… to set Turkey up to have a reason to pull the trigger.

      • Insight

        Are you a wahhabi, Bread and Butter?
        The mufti destroys atheists, christians, unwed pregnant women, and gays.
        Does that make your day?

        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          Fear is no good company.
          Enjoy your life.

          • Insight

            I am not talking about fear. Fear is an optional emotion… you chose to experience it or not regardless of what happens.\I search for facts, things that are not optional, and how they fit to the end of days and how they will affect my(and your)"enjoyment" of life.
            Don't forget, the Saudis believe in slavery. It is not an asset to be young and beautiful in a country that is taken over by the Saudis.
            "The Iranians have watched as frustrated bystanders while the leader of its most influential ally, China, began a tour of Gulf Arab states with talks in Tehran’s top regional rival Saudi Arabia. Two other major Iranian oil customers – South Korea and Japan – also had high-level delegations in the Gulf to discuss supply guarantees if they fall in line with U.S.-led pressures to cut back on Iranian imports."

            Saudi Arabia supplying everyone with oil and Russia supplying nuclear energy…. guess that wraps it up.

            • Insight

              The Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT) says Cameron is sending a clear message of support and warned that, a year after the Arab Spring, the UK is still arming repressive states. Both Libya and Saudi Arabia were listed as “priority markets” for arms exports in 2011/12 despite being flagged as “countries of concern” by the Foreign Office.
              The prime minister touring Gulf states, including Oman, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), in a bid to sell British-made Typhoon fighter jets and promote the defence industry, which creates over 300,000 jobs.

              Arms export figures for January to March of this year show the UK gave £138m worth of licences to Middle East and north African countries.

              Saudi Arabia received £80m in export licences, £77.5m of which was for combat aircraft, Oman received £14m and UAE got £6.4m, including licences for machine guns, night sights and small arms. Egypt was issued £12m in licences, of which £11.97m were for “projectile launchers” components.

              A recent report by MPs on the committee on arms export controls questioned the export of components that could be used for internal repression to Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

    • richard richard

      you don't take this stuff seriusly do you.

      it's just numbers and words. it means nothing.

  • Insight

    Revelation 10:10
    And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

    The little book is knowledge of future events. It tastes sweet because everyone wants to know what will happen before it actually does. Once knowledge of future events is read and understood it makes one sick to their stomach…. and Bitter.

    • richard richard

      keep your bible quotes to yourself thanks. it's a fantasy novel.

      • arclight arclight

        hi richard

        funny to find you on the haarp/religious thread?? 🙂 lol!

        before i crash

        i think that airoplanes are causing global dimming and when the fuel gets too expensive.. we are all in for a nasty shock

        including the relligious and haarp operators.. in fact everyone and everything..

        i will return tommrrow to check that my comment has been thouroughly ignored.. or not 🙂

        there is a haarp array that bumps up the atmosphere to protect satellites from sun bursts stuff.. microwave.. not a good idea? shifting gazillion tons of gases?? could cause problems?

        been to a clairvoyant then richard?? 🙂

        and dont qoute levictitus …:/

        • richard richard

          🙂 i've seen the light on chemtrails.

          i now understand there are lots of little fairies hiding in the wings of aircraft, and when the time is right they fling their pixie dust out into the sky… spreading delusion far and wide.

          a little delusion for the nukers, a litle more for the religious ones, a splash of delusion for the hahahahahaaarpers and specks in the eyes of the chemtrail conscripts.

          • arclight arclight

            im crashing now.. take care bro.. AND BE NICE!! 🙂

            great mantra that.. i use it ALOT. 🙂

            go and see what the nuclear mob are covering up and leave some cool links for me to read over me morning tea! that should keep ye out of mischief… unbeliver 😉

            peace light and luv to to you and yours

      • Insight

        Richard, I understand why you say it is a myth. There are so may stories that are ment only for moral instruction that people have tried to take literally. I do not take the Ark story literally because it was an instructional guideline for the end of days. People were being warned to prepare for mass worldwide destruction. One has to be prepared to survive.
        The Bible is complex. An uneducated person can not understand a lot of it because it reflects modern day technology. I believe the tree of life is DNA. I also believe there are beings of superior intellect/technology that live on other planets in the universe that believe in God and serve him.
        They have been to earth many times.
        People that want to lead an immoral life will deny the Bible is true but that denial means nothing to the truth.
        You will soon find out what is about to unfold. I think WW3 will start sometime in January 2013 if not before. The purpose of WW3 is to destroy America, Israel and Iran. Those 3 nations(and many others) will fall. I think America will morph(the nation that is yet to be)into a new nation that is divided into 3 parts.It will be divided by the conquering nations and plundered. Land will be sold off to pay debt. America is the new Babalyon.I think nuclear winter will start possibly sometime in January 2016.

        • ageezerofgiza

          This forum has gone mad.

          • Sickputer

            Ageez sez… This forum has gone mad.

            SP: Only partially… 😉 There will be some casting of pearls (useful info) on this Forum Topic, but as designed it is the toilet heap of pixels of light for literary pigs. At times even myself may lay some literary turds here to relieve my irradiated soul. Avert your eyes and cleanse your soul by a quick digital flush when offended. We have bigger fish to fry elsewhere.

            Did I say thank you lately Admin for this cyberspace watering hole?

            Thank you!

          • Maggie123

            ageezerofgiza, SP, Richard – I was going to ask whether if the insane voluntarily agree to restrict their madness to a specific location (this forum) where it can do little harm, are they – at the moment of decision – certifiably insane? 🙂

            Then I read SP's comment, and richard's acknowledgement … which nicely cover the phenomenon. But since I had a thought ready I'm posting it anyway. 🙂

        • Insight

          Here is an example of Bible truth… it talks about WW3 in Revelation.In the South China Sea war the Bible says there are 7 heads = major nations that are the aggressors in the battle.
          The Bible says 5 of these nations fall. I think "fall" means having their military completely destroyed in the battle arena.
          I think China, Russia,and the USA have to be 3 of the 7 "heads".
          So, which of the 3 do you think falls?
          One of the heads takes control of all of the 10 "horns" (10 supporting nations involved in the war) of this battle arena after the conflict is over. I am guessing but I think that will be China.
          That leaves the USA and Russia…which one falls?

          • richard richard

            You are just so wrong, and have just proven why I called you out in the first place.

            Discriminatory, dogmatic rubbish. Belongs in the garbage bin.

            • Insight

              You are not keeping up with global politics and military strategy are you, Richard.

              Stanislav Lunev, an extremely high-ranking former Soviet officer, revealed that Russia and China had a secret plan to invade, occupy, and plunder North America using a combination of their military forces in a surprise attack.
              According to Lunev, Russia would annex Alaska and mine it for its rich natural resources, while China would occupy and takeover the lower 48 states for its “living space”, which it desperately needs for its burgeoning overpopulation problems.

              Malaysia since 1973 and has built up solid ties to China.
              Russia and North Korea signed an agreement to settle the NK debt of $11 billion. 90 percent of the debt is forgiven, and the remaining amount will be used in exchange for aid. Russia made it clear that it was ready for partnership. North Korea already has a partnership with China.
              There is so much more going on but I can not explain it all to you on this forum. It is understood that people will have differences of opinion. I certainly am not demanding that you agree with me.
              Just wait and watch what happens.

              • richard richard

                Just another crackpot. I'll watch and see nothing of a sort happens. I've encountered nutters like this many times before, I'm so over the idiocy.

                You speak trash. Your writings are just blathering, anyone can make up any shit and seek attention and think themselves relevant.

                Unfortunately for humanity, nut jobs are just core to the mix. Like I've said before, 50% are below average, our friend insight proves it.

  • or-well

    Relevant to…whatever.

    Justice and Mercy?
    Objective Science?
    Heath and Security?
    Lambs in our silence?

    Truth and transparency
    can't be expected
    from the nuke-feudal-ocracy
    world nuclear village.

    overweening plutocracy,
    freedom contrarian.

    Aid and abetment
    by world community,
    multi-national businesses
    with immunity.

    They have protection,
    using connections,
    avoiding inspection,
    squashing objections.

    Barrons of Bafflegab,
    Sultans of Spin,
    Marguis' of Media,
    smoke and mirrors within.

    Counts of Colleges,
    Dukes of University,
    Regents of Research,
    full of perversity.

    Teachers complicit,
    Healers obstructed,
    Farmers co-opted,
    nations corrupted.

    Crooks, cronies and liars,
    reality deniers,
    breading us all
    for nuclear fryers.

    By their Potentatency
    they're free to pillage,
    plunder and murder
    and nuclear spillage.

    Lords of the Savage!
    Promoters of Strife!
    Earth being ravaged!
    Assault upon Life!

    There's nowhere to run
    to save our lives.
    I suggest you consider
    "sharpening your knives"
    as a fall-back position
    after failure of Voice.
    There's no "Fail-Safe" mechanism
    for this kind of choice.

  • behappy1

    Off-Topic Discussion Thread (Non-Nuclear Issues)

    Im sure bible verses are a fantasy to you
    as with everything you dont understand.

    I also, why is beyond me, but I read your denial on haarp
    lack of knowledge on a subject makes you far from an expert.

    So your opinion, is just that,
    your opinion.

    That little book is more then knowledge
    its scripture, its truth

    richard is a classic example
    sweet as honey:
    and as soon as I had eaten it,
    my belly was bitter.

    The sweet honey, salvation
    will cause the puffed up and proud
    to become bitter

    dont get me wrong comments like
    keep your bible quotes to yourself thanks. it's a fantasy novel.
    are expected.

    But dont confuse christians with those who only have a book
    or those who said a little prayer, yet remain the same person
    or those who think if they go to chuuurrch they have eternal life

    Just like radiation, what you dont know about it can hurt you.
    Lashing out at ones beliefs through ignorance
    may even do the same if your wrong.

    • richard richard

      friggin excuse me, like i 'dont understand.'

      i understand very cleary.

      i understand that people want to preach their dogma to all and sundry, and then they expect people to just accept it as taken and truth.

      well i don't. if you start going evangilistic, then i have every right for a rebuttal.

      just because someone preaches their fantasy, doesn't mean i sit back and quietly accept it, no chance buddy. if someone preaches, they better be ready for those who are offended by the discrimination and segregation that religions create. (like your opening line).

      and these ones that carry on about revelations. they are not here on enenews in an attempt to stop nuke armageddon, they want armageddon in order to fulfill their fantasy based on a novel.

      that's right, they want an entire planet, with all flora and fauna and history and future, to be wiped out to satisfy their delusion there is some kind of 'heaven' waiting for them. it's selfishness to the extreme and it's a similar reason to why i despise nukers and other crackpots.

      beliefs aren't necessarily truths. i'm looking for truth to the nuclear and energy crisis. if people choose to wash the walls of this website with their dogma and propoganda then be prepared for an argument, because dogma aint science.

      that said, there is nothing wrong with goodwill and cooperation. if people would stick to simply getting on with the facts, then we can all get back to being productive and happy little…

      • michellemamarn

        @Richard- the arrogance of your intolerance is staggering. Over on this site's news threads, you excuse your rudeness with protestations of, "off-topic off-topic!" like a schoolboy hall monitor who actually enjoyed the job. Well, here we are on the OFF-TOPIC FORUM and yet you continue your malignant diatribe. Your righteous indignation is so very similar to the bible thumping conservatives, that I am somewhat surprised you don't subscribe. I, too, find dogma tiresome, yet still remain unconvinced that I have censorship rights. Looking "for truth to the nuclear and energy crisis"? I do believe we have a forum labeled NUCLEAR ISSUES, my friend. You condescend when faced with science you do not understand and simply ignore the fine folks here who generously attempt to educate you. ON TOPIC, I choose to ignore you; but here, I defend the rights of all to discuss as they wish. I haven't yet discerned whether you are a troll, or perhaps there's simply no dog to kick at your house in the evenings? Thus far, you've been the ungracious recipient of far more tolerance than you deserve.

        • aigeezer aigeezer

          michellemamarn – "I defend the rights of all to discuss as they wish" – that includes Richard, does it not?

          Choose your battles, folks – it's the Internet.

        • richard richard

          Hi Michelle. I know I do create offense and hurt innocent civilians sometimes.

          I'm not thrilled when it happens, I sometimes leave from enenews in regret and don't want to come back because I was fevered into writing some intense stuff.

          Yourself, Anthony, others that have complained, I'm sorry it happens.

          I known that may not help, and I can't promise I'll desist. But you got to know I respond like I do because I'm driven to get to real story, not the distractions.

          With respect, I think that if there's too much beliefs and dogma, then someone hasn't taken the red pill.

          Emergency on planet Earth. In red. Like the enenews logo. Urgent and direct response required.

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Richard , you are right with every argument you make .
        This place has been relatively clean of dogma for a while , with the continued bickering
        free speech has been used to invite the biblethumbers with an agenda back to clutter this place up.
        Thanks for standing between them and this place . I wish it was not neccesary to be "on guard " all the time , but it seems it is.

        • aigeezer aigeezer

          DID, I think the current terms of engagement allow the thumpers to thump in this thread, but not in the Energy threads.

          If so, it's probably best not to nip at their heels here in their sandbox. There is a downside, but at least it keeps the Energy threads relatively uncluttered.

          On another front… I am intrigued at how the site got "swarmed" by goofy diversionary posts, many from new (now absent) posters, starting about a week before the US election and now generally subsiding. What the heck was that about?… Bad luck? Societal unease? Enemy action?… Goofiness always seems to come in waves here, but that was/is a weird one.

          • richard richard

            You're thinking just like me aigeezer, regarding some recents actors on the scene.

            And DID, thanks, and I also agree we were having a very smooth run of things for sometime.

            Then, as aigeezer suggests, the election loomed.

            I suspect it's possibly more then the election, and time will tell on that.

            But like fukukuku, this site will have to exist for a long time to come. (I did ask admin along time ago in a sub thread if there are kids planned, to take over down the decades). (oh, I may not be here then though).

            There's a chance there'll be never ending 'events' that will provoke storms on sites like enenews over time. I suppose we'll have to keep eyes peeled.

            Wish we didn't. But then, this is not a game, it's life on earth.

            • kalidances

              I understand your frustration about people not staying on topic. But trust me, no one ever leaves because of anyone else. We just disappear for as long as we need to and then come right back. Some stay on as lurkers.Some, like me, do not. It's our right and if admin understands our frustrations, because some of us DO stick to nuclear and posted issues, then everyone will be fine.

              The problem happens when people spend 90 percent chatting and 10 percent posting then people in crisis who actually need our help, get to wade through pages of things unhelpful to their immediate situations.

              I have been here since week one and won't be leaving over someone's issues while I still have family living in Japan, the East Coast-and Louisiana. For some people on this board as long as their families aren't affected they do not care.

              When Fukushima explodes, and it's going to, everyone on this planet will start paying true attention. But by then they'll have about 72 hours to a week to pack a bag and save their families.

              There are about to be, at minimum, two explosions. One if Fukushima and one in Louisiana. Since no one could convince people to evacuate we're all going to sit here and watch people die.

              That is still the bottom line no matter how religious, philosophical, or angry things get.

              Large amounts of people are going to die.

          • Sickputer

            Good point aigee…

            And now for a blast from the past (my 23 years on Usenet and perusal of the Jargon Files):

            "The characteristic that distinguishes holy wars from normal technical disputes is that in a holy war most of the participants spend their time trying to pass off personal value choices and cultural attachments as objective technical evaluations."

            SP: Most online communities self-police quite well in 2012 and our Admin is the mysterious (like so many of us) lovable Big Brother who dispenses kindness and punishments as needed (witness several banned former large volume posters who pissed Admin off one time too many).

            Admin is kind enough to lend his time and money for our discussion areas and he/she brings a steady wealth of aggregated topical news that is what draws us here like a moth to a flame.

            Try to keep your wings healthy and your emotions in check. The evil Big Brothers out there in the real world thrive on creating anxiety. We owe it to our progeny to become their betters in deed and spirit. Evil empires rise and fall, but the human will and propensity for good is never extinquished.

            When was the last time you saw a pig share a food morsel with his fellow pigs? Never. So rise above the pigs, tussle with them very little as they love mud and squealing. They will get carved up for bacon, but you don't have to wield the knife. Just enjoy the bacon later on regardless of your beliefs. Humans smile, pigs oink. It's as simple as that.

            • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

              Thanks each of you.

              I do respond to more articles or comments here than anyone here will ever see. I open a word document or write out my anger, frustration & tears, where no one else will read.

              What I type online is there forever, to be dissected in whatever way the reader chooses. So at times I know that I can not respond online..because I am too angry or my heart hurts too much. But I get it out of my system & avoid seeing it online. Then I have to walk away, find reason to smile & catch my breath.

              Then if I choose to reply, most times I have given myself time…to count to 100 or more.

              • kalidances

                MaidenHeaven because you are measured in your words maybe you can translate that pain for readers with similar frustrations. Or-Well does it with beautiful lyrics. Others do it with humor. Every poster has an audience that relates to what they post.All readers are different. Maybe you can find a way to communicate your pain to those who have similar feelings in a way that is comfortable to you.

                A lot of bonding occurs offboard and IRL groups are formed so never feel alone or like you cannot vent frustrations. (((HUGS)))

  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Rock and Roll another EQ, this one for Canada 6.3 pretty big day for larger quakes.. look out in the quiet little area referred to as the Pacific Northwest! Heads up!

  • Sickputer

    California voters reject GMO labeling law:

    SP: I am reminded of a quote by Mark Twain about school boards and idiots. Big Brother can sure shit oug the disinformation and the majority of people eat it up like Cracker Jacks (GMO variety).

    • kalidances

      Sickputer it's heartbreaking. The people pushing for lack of labeling really don't believe that GMO'd food causes tumors and endocrine dysfunction, even when they had the stats in front of them.

    • Maggie123

      SP, others – I with many of you held hopes the GMO labeling initiative would make it through the pounding misinformation barrage – very disappointing, but an idea not gone away. Because I know the GMO awareness has not gone away, and required labeling is an idea not faded, I have hopes citizen pressure for truth will rise!

  • behappy1

    I agree, a time and a place for everything

    you say i'm looking for truth to the nuclear and energy crisis
    great, I agree
    thats why most of us, including myself come to enews

    A time and a place for everything.

    but your on the wrong thread for nucular and energy crisis
    Off-Topic Discussion Thread (Non-Nuclear Issues)

    This tread is on any other subject
    religion, haarp, chemtrails are all open for discussion

    I believe all three of the above do cause harm and even death.
    and from what i can tell we agree on religion, two out of three aint bad and thats cool.

    I also agree beliefs aren't necessarily truths
    their is only one truth.

    there is nothing wrong with goodwill and cooperation.

    if someone preaches, they better be ready for those who are offended by the discrimination and segregation that religions create. (like your opening line).

    Richard I wasnt, nor would I preach to you, scripture is clear
    on casting ones pearls.

    Dont limit my opening line to religion, Im a believer
    but Im not religious. Like haarp and chemtrails you
    offer nothing but opinion to show revelation is a fantasy.

    I happen to believe whats written in revelation is true.

    Are their those who will twist it, they want armageddon in order to fulfill their fantasy based on a novel.

    You bet, they know not the truth. But most like that are running the govts of the world, not commenting on chat rooms.
    Like your opinion, lack of knowledge does not…

  • behappy1

    prove a lack of God or His Son

    • richard richard

      You do the proving, but frankly, I know you can't, so don't bother.
      That's what I'm trying to say about any evangelism, don't bother, its just spam.

      And it's spam about dogma, not even something that exists, like Viagra 😉

      • CBuck CBuck

        Richard, honestly…just because you don't agree with someone else's views doesn't mean it's "dogma", your favorite word it seems. You also seem to have a focus on Viagra, why is that?
        Leave people alone, this is off topic.
        If you don't agree with it, you don't have to attack it, it's not hurting you.
        You were asked to prove that something doesn't exist. Well come on, prove it if you think it is so ridiculous and doesn't exist.
        I'm growing tired of your intolerance.

        • richard richard

          CBuck, this is the point, it does hurt me.

          I find religions to be an insult. I find evangelists to be an even bigger insult.

          I don't care to know about someone's invisible friend and their belief system based on a novel.

          The reason I use the word dogma is because a lot of the stuff is just simply that. People have a belief, but it's not based on fact, it's based on folklore.

          So, if a religious statement is made, particularly for no reason other the advertisement, then I have a full 100% right to get in the face of the statement. You see, religious people think it's they're right to have a one way conversation, to tell you their belief with an expectation you'll have to follow. Well blow that.

          Whether its christrian or Muslim or hindu or any belief system like chemtrails, then will fight it.

          They are systems that put a clamp on free thinking. They entrap people into submission, you have to play they're game or you'll be discriminated against.

          As for the Viagra, that's the first time I have ever used the word on enenews. It was an example of the contrast of spam for reality and spam of belief. I certainly have no problem providing pleasure when it's called upon. I don't do exercise for an hour each day for nothing. That's my 'viagra'.

          If you follow dogma, you haven't taken the red pill.


  • (This was going to be a post to "Caldicott live", but according to the rules, I've gone "off-topic" with my spiritual-humanism –laced with sex and politics, no less. Pity.)

    It's _always_ going to be the "wrong election" to vote for a sane 3rd party. There will _always_ be a fearsome greater evil –to scare us into voting for the lesser.


    * We need a whole nuther alternative to electoral politics. I suggest an irresistibly charismatic, sexy, spiritual-cultural, low-tech/inclusive, non-commercialized/affordable, cross-generational revolution.


  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Hey VicFromOregon, Agree with your comment about the sheriff in Assumption Parish and raise you a Sheriff Big Brass Balls, carries big stick for President 2016!

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

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    Finally, Big Oil is having to pay for the wasteland and violence that they’ve created. President Jonathan supports the Shell fine, and progressive Senators are pushing for strong regulations, but oil companies are slick, and without huge international support MPs could buckle under the pressure.

    Politicians are deciding their positions right now — sign the urgent petition for the Nigerian Parliament to fine Shell and support the bill, and then forward this page to everyone — when we hit a million signers we'll bring our unprecedented global call to the steps of Nigeria's Parliament.

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Most religions/faiths across the world have ..prophecy of domm.
    This is conditional on the behavior of the followers.
    I can not understnad the 'pride' people take in seeing that some of these events look similar to promised "punishment'.
    Where are those that are fighting against such prophecy?
    Where are the ones that say.."No..this is not to happen".
    I've not seen it among the 'cryers'

    I don't do well with things supposedly… written in stone.

    • kalidances

      Natives don't have prophecy of doom. The Christians added that mess when they arrived. We have endless cycles of eternal creation. The changes in the five worlds were just a warning. The thought of many non-brainwashed Natives is that there never has to be this sort of madness if we take care of the Mother.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    We all live and die alone..the ideal is to leave the world in a better place than we found it.

    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      So very true Heart of the Rose.

      My question is this, why would we need to find heaven after we die? It is right here on earth. Watch a sunset, experience love, watch a child experience the world & bath in the innocence. Take the time to stop & really smell the roses & look at their exquisite beauty.

      Can we not be satisfied with the exquisite beauty right here on earth? If we can't, how then could we be satisfied with a *perfect world only to be discovered after we die?

  • or-well

    Headline: promoting pre-ordained future discourages change, instils hopelessness. Must quote appropriate deal code for limited-time salvation offer.

    Believe what you want. I will too.

    IF some in the Past saw a Future, (I don't say that's impossible ), it isn't the only possibility.

    Perhaps those visionaries were psychopaths. Just a thought.

    Perhaps a god being "self-distributed", de-centralising as it were, throughout everything. Everything? Or just humans?

    Perhaps the world's religions are like badly deciphered inscriptions on ancient objects, distorted through time, deliberatly, accidentally or both.

    Humans should work to prevent the deaths of millions of innocents, whether by war, genomic destruction, or whatever.

    If that means opposing someones/anyones/everyones version of God -so be it.

    While prompted by preceding remarks, this is not addressed to anyone specifically. It is my opinion. Parse it as you wish.

    • richard richard

      word or-well

    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Well said or-well.

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      Visionaries – just like poets, painters and musicians – are necessary. All of them – even the bad ones.

      Individual DNA is encoded to maximize its own survival. For humans, that necessarily implies maximizing our offspring's survival, higher social unit's survival, and ultimately all of humanity's survival. *That* implies eternally using – while preserving for eternal future use – resources in the biosphere.

      Humans get confused or distracted from this whole DNA-survival nonsense. Visionaries help us re-connect the dots and remind us WHY we ever did anything to begin with. A certain number of visionaries (like a certain number of all people) are subject to diseases. One of those is a broken sense of purpose that begins and ends with self-survival. They can't rationalize the necessary extension to society or the environment. They can only see one dot – there are no other dots (or connections) as far as they're concerned.

      Sick visionaries (like other diseased people) help us understand the nature of health. That's not their ultimate purpose, only an unfortunate but useful side-effect. Just like other diseases, we need to understand that its contagious, minimize the damage it can cause and stop its spread for now – even though we have no idea how to cure it yet.

      The 14th century had the Black Death – bubonic plague. Nowadays, we have psychopathy and no fleas to blame.

      • or-well

        PavewayIII, I do wonder what role psychopaths may have played in history,or pre-history, what momentum they may have imparted, who among noted historical persons or the behind-the-scenes influencers may have been psychopathic.

        Well, I don`t know. Maybe Caligula. But who else? There`s probably a number of likely candidates.

        Wasn`t nuclear power once considered visionary?
        I think we need some *visionary* public discourse on humanity`s use of resources going forward.

        I dread the *strong man/wise father/heroic* political *visionary* emerging in the USA, particularly if there`s economic ruin.

        We really do need to carefully evaluate the visions of visionaries for content as regards life-sustainment on planet Earth.

        Glad you think even bad poets are necessary!

      • Maggie123

        Pavewaylll – "They can only see one dot – there are no other dots (or connections) as far as they're concerned." I like this, it's a helpful description – thank you! In my experience it's true, I still don't understand it (the inability to connect dots), but somehow your describing it so is helpful – thanks!

        • Maggie123

          Oh – I was going to add – we still do have fleas/plague 'at the ready', especially in my geographical region … just in case, I guess. ?)

    • Maggie123

      Or-well – I do like "self-distributed" god! 🙂

  • or-well

    Radiation has no belief.
    It has no respect for God or Apollo
    or the food that you swallow.
    It has no respect for Krishna or Bhudda
    as it bio-accumulates in your gouda.
    It has no respect for Osiris or Allah.
    It doesn't care if you prostrate or wallow,
    if you're in sin or glowing transcendent,
    if you're Agnostic or vote Independent,
    if you're young, old or in the fold,
    if you're smart or stupid or a bimbo,
    but it does follow you wherever you go.

  • kalidances

    Or-Well that is so true 🙂 This pondering the nature of nuclear energy and why it does what it does is a bit like sorting the thoughts of your fire while it's sitting in the fireplace lol.

  • Insight

    Obama has slated 60% of our navy to go to the South China Sea since China wants to dominate international waters for their exclusive use. What kind of insanity is that… sending our navy into nuclear contaminated water,to possibly contaminate it with more nuclear fallout.That is spreading the US pretty thin as ships are required in the middle east and also to protect
    the homefront. It does not matter how strong a military is if they have heavy fighting on 3 fronts they will take heavy losses, especially in this age of nuclear subs, ships and planes.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Maybe I'm out of the loop here..but I havent seen aggression from China towards the US..just saying.

      • kalidances

        Why would they need to show aggression? We owe them 1.2 trillion that we cannot repay. All they have to do is ask for their money. If we don't give it they can take every cent out of every bank in this country. Immediately. All Americans would be bankrupt in seconds. Then if Obama wants to try the war thing then Russia and Iran ride to China's rescue.

        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          Sorry, it would not work that way. The USA would go bankrupt, the dollar would be history, and all debt owed in dollars with it..

          So, personally, having been in lending for decades, I say, go bankrupt usa, or have the Chinese take 50 cents on the dollar.. the problem we have, is that we have to borrow to pay the interest.. millions, we have not touched the principal, and without our corporations paying any tax, we will never be able to get that principal down and like any lender, the Chinese have charged us interest.

          Interest is charged because lending is risky.. the risk being, the borrower will not pay you back.. this is why you are able to charge interest. Interest is commiserate with risk, which is why, we will not know our country is out of the woods economically, until interest rates, for well qualified borrowers (800 credit scores)is up around 9 or 10% minimally, as lending is risky business, and 3 or 4% is not commiserate with the risk, which is why the only real funding going on is government backed..fha, va, usda.

          • kalidances

            Um..I think I am agreeing with you. I did say we would go bankrupt because we have no way to repay. What exactly are you disputing?

            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              I am disputing that the Chinese would come empty our banks, that all they have to do is ask for their money.. and that Russia and Iran would have any need to jump in to help the Chinese defeat us in a war.

              Also, many would complain if Obama did not take the chance to take out those high level terrorists, much like Clinton was. THEY BOMBED OUR EMBASSY.

              ""Three terrorists, including local al-Qaida commander Adnan al- Qathi who is wanted for bombing the U.S. embassy in Sanaa in late 2008, were confirmed killed Wednesday night in a Yemeni-U.S. joint airstrike operation which targeted the militants' vehicle near Sayyan village outside the capital Sanaa," a local security official told Xinhua by phone. He declined to provide further details."


              • kalidances

                Well we'll see what happens won't we?

                • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                  China is a bit busy with it's own economical, political and class inequality issues, they have an economic downturn, a new leadership to chose and if they destroy the US, they destroy themselves. Its commercial fortunes are intertwined with those of the West as never before. “Pull one hair and you move the whole body,”

                  Personally a war with China, is the least of my worries. I would suspect they would have a civil war before any outside war, they too suffer from the rich getting richer and the poor are getting poorer..on top of the economic downturn.. really, if we sink, they sink, we are now like siamese twins..


                  • kalidances

                    If China could take over American land then their people don't have any more problems do they? We are mineral rich, houses are available, and banking is already set up. Do you know what the word "colonization" means?

                    This was four years ago:

                    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                      idiotic. Chinese to colonize the usa? bhahahaha.. then they can pay to house us and care for us, stupid waste of time.

                      Maybe they will just kill us all or put us in camps.. and like good fairies, clean up our mess.

                      If we do not sustain economic integrity the Chinese FAIL and go down with us. try reading the daily reckoning, or some other investment rag to understand that we are tied together. We sink or swim together.

                      They could not afford to come here if we break them.. and why would they come here if we didn't? your thinking doesn't make sense, and makes us all look like fearmongers without rational or reasonable intelligence.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        It is the US jealousy over China's economy.
        Rhetoric slowly increases and amplifies.

        It doesn't take much..many people don't need much prompting to hate.
        What I do know that the troops left in Japan …are being exposed to the same radiation rates as the citizens of Japan.
        Anyone, any country trying to take over sending their troops in harm's way and are fools.

        Our president wants to send 60% of the Navy to that area.

        Evacuate Tokyo and All US Forces From Japan

        • kalidances

          The US had a choice every day of the week, for decades, to keep the jobs mostly in America while helping out the economy of China in smaller ways. Instead the politicians chose to give away as many as our jobs as they could to line the pockets of their rich CEO friends.

          Their plan failed, American citizens are angry, and now the only option they have left is force. It's not like we have any jobs that can compete with China that will make us able to pay that debt to them, even in 20 years, possibly never.

          Obama's only choice now is force if he can't bring back the jobs.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          PS.This includes..the people sent to cover up the Fukushima situation.

          Namely,those sent from the DOD,DOE,NRC, Homeland Security.. etc.

          Heads are getting dosed.

          Umm..I suspect HS folks at the Assumption Parish Sinkhole are inhaling noxious fumes..too.

          What a job….

          • kalidances

            Or the teenagers in the high schools that went over to help the cleanup effort. There will be no second generation with that bunch.

    • or-well

      Insight, that sounds dramamtic, and it is, of course, but it might sound less so if you pointed out that 50% is already deployed in the Asia Region, not necessarily in the S. China Sea, and the proposed 60% is to be in place by 2020.
      I got that from a one minute search.

  • kalidances

    He bombed Yemen too right after he was re-elected. People get taken in by charisma every single time.

    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic


      ""Three terrorists, including local al-Qaida commander Adnan al- Qathi who is wanted for bombing the U.S. embassy in Sanaa in late 2008, were confirmed killed Wednesday night in a Yemeni-U.S. joint airstrike operation which targeted the militants' vehicle near Sayyan village outside the capital Sanaa," a local security official told Xinhua by phone. He declined to provide further details."

      fearmongering and misrepresentation of facts…same people who would crucify him for not taking the opportunity to kill al-Qaida terrorists..

      • kalidances

        Americans bomb people all the time, innocent people, people who have zero to do with their political agenda, for no good reason. So what? The world has been at war since it began. the names change, the faces change, the paranoia focus changes, but it still happens.

        Do you find it at all odd that grown men still have not learned how to find other solutions to problems rather than war?

        Right now we're actively, and with intention, poisoning our kids. And yo are focusing overseas?

        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          You are the one focused overseas. I prefer to focus on sinkholes, radiation, and corporate greed…However, I will not allow fear mongering and the attempt to turn us against each other here without a response.

          What good are you doing, trying to taint our elected President as an unjustified war monger?

          Try tainting him as pro nuke, and I will support you 100% but, just because I am no fan of Obama, does not mean I will support misinformation. Maybe, if we turn up the heat for real issues, we might see change..after all, he can not be elected again, and perhaps he will change his stance on nukes.

          • kalidances

            Lol the truth hurts. Have a nice day Cataclysmic. Every person on this board, except for you apparently, knows where my focus is.

            My personal opinion is that Obama is a narcissistic, charismatic, money-hungry sociopath. He has taken our jobs, our healthcare affordability, lessened vets benefits, started needless wars, and destroyed our economy. If that isn't war against the American people I have no idea what is.

            • CBuck CBuck

              Kalidances, I couldn't have said it better, thank you. 🙂

            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              You sure give obama a lot of power considering there are all those branches of government.. as I recall, the republicans only job over the last 4 years was to keep obama from a second term.. wow, they even failed at that, and kept us stagnant for the most part.

              Even then, we have improving circumstances with regards to economic reality. Housing prices up, even in the worst hit places, a greater percentage than seen since 2006. Jobs are coming back, manufacturing is up.

              Corporate america has perpetrated these acts, not one man.. he took our jobs? seriously? started wars? really? destroyed our economy? whatever..

              Who would you rather have had in office? Romney?

              Do you still have cable tv? just curious.

  • kalidances

    Military folk(current) was this account accurate or is the author having a sensational moment?

    Military Absentee Ballots Delivered One Day Late, Would Have Swung Election For Romney

    "…Officials say the ballots were delivered late due to problems within the military mail system. Tracking invoices show the ballots sat in a warehouse for a month, then they were accidentally labeled as ammunition and shipped to Afghanistan. At Camp Dwyer, Marine Sergeant John Davis signed for them and was surprised at the contents.

    …“It’s a shame,” Rear Admiral John Dawes said when asked for comment. “I expected a delay so I ordered that everyone cast their votes eight months ago. It’s really unfortunate that our mail system failed us and directly affected the course of history.”

    Upon hearing the news, angry Republicans have begun a demand for a recount, but most military absentee voters have shrugged off the news, with many wondering whether the care packages their families sent six months ago were ever going to show up."

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      "Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted,…"


      Winner Barack Obama (D)

      Electoral Votes
      60,364,793 Popular Votes

      Mitt Romney (R)

      Electoral Votes
      57,570,901 Popular Votes

      Sounds like propaganda. Obama won by millions of votes, not hundreds of thousands. And notice the particular states are not mentioned. The Republicans, as usual, are saying that the Democrats don't have a mandate, never mind that the Republicans lost Senate seats and House seats as well.

      It's been proven that Bush never won an election, talk about stretching your mandate.

      • kalidances

        Hi Anne the story is a satirical post about the fact that military mail service is so slow that Romney could have beaten Obama in a landslide and no one would have known until much later 🙂

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          And my point is that Romney couldn't have won in a landslide or even in a scrape by. There weren't that many votes "satirically" involved.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            And I'm sure the military has enough intelligence to know whether a ballot was received or not. It would have been discovered before the election. And satire has historically been known as the best vehicle for unpopular political comment.

  • kalidances

    Yep the Duffel Blog story is satire 🙂

  • Insight

    or-well, future deployment is entirely dependant on how the global war threats progress. China has stated the time for negoations is over. They are preparing for war now. The US is over there to protect Japan, South Korea and the Philippines. The US will not be the one to start this conflict.
    China has established a military presence in its new city of Sansha, which covers a vast expanse of the flashpoint South China Sea (West Philippine Sea) including islands within the Philippines’ territory.
    South Korea has tightened its military alliance with the United States, Japan backed away from a move to get the U.S. to move a marine airbase out of Okinawa, Singapore has allowed the stationing of U.S. Navy ships, Australia is hosting U.S. Marine and other deployments, and India, Vietnam, Indonesia and the Philippines, among others, have drawn closer to the U.S.
    Soviet Tupolev Tu-16 twin-engine jet bomber, built for the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force is an effective strategic nuclear bomber. Do you think they won't use these?
    Russia has moved its latest War Planes, the Sukhoi 35 Fighter Jets to the disputed island of Cyprus. According to the news reports available, this was done to counter the current escalation between Syria and Turkey.
    This comes as Iran sent 800 missiles to Syria to help them match the Turkish NATO power. The way I see it most of those 800 missiles will be captured by Turkeys superior air force and will be used against the US,Israel & Iran.

    • or-well

      Insight, that was partly my point – future deployment, in the region and not exclusively the South China Sea – may change with the tides of geopolitical and administrative change.
      (It may be higher or lower or irrelevant if a Carrington Event happens).
      I was also adding what I think are pertinent details, as I couldn't determine if you were striving for dramatic effect or not.
      As for preparing for war generally, I think the U.S., China and many others are AND HAVE BEEN doing so for quite some time. It's not a new development. States do that. I'm not downplaying its' seriousness, as I'm well aware there are resources in the region that many want to control and will need in future.
      If a conflict starts, I reject the certitude you express as regards who will start it. It might be smaller players, in an area where many have naval assets, igniting a flashpoint.
      I do think the Chinese feel they are being squeezed.
      As regards anyone using nuclear airpower, well, who knows, but to me that suggests a conflict escalating from a naval context to one targeting land.
      As regards the current asset-positioning in the Mediterranean/Gulf area, how much is "chess" of the Great Game kind and how much pre-war positioning? I don't know, but I think you are firm in your belief that it's part of a run-up to World War III.
      I hope you use your military & geopolitical analysis to do more than confirm belief in Revelations, but if not, Peace anyway.

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      You think that NATO member Turkey will attack NATO member Greece?
      Over a stupid island used by Russian oligarchs to hide their money?? Really?

      Sorry but lol 🙂

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Karl Rove's election debacle: Super PAC's spending was nearly for naught

    The 2012 Money Race: Compare the Candidates

    As usual the banks, Wall Street, and energy and other corporations hedge their bets, assuring compliance from the winner.

  • Maggie123

    Whomever controls "framing the paradigm by language" shapes cultural and therefore political, economic, policy.

    Not a new idea to ENE, but on my mind!

    Pejorative labels have long been used to discredit and inspire fear. Accompanied by warnings and societal 'shunning': "Don't dare to look at this – the ideas are dangerous and may "capture" you!"; "She/he reads "X" and is a potential enemy!")

    "entitlement". Ultra-conservative rhetoric managed to link "lazy and dependent" to the word "entitlement". Even public/commons oriented politics now use the term, damaged as it is, when arguing for commons-oriented policies!

    "National debt crisis". What it the nature of the 'debt'?, how did it come about?", … The simplistic "answer" loops back to "entitlement". ("Bad people … bad, bad – you should be ashamed! You must pay for the burden you've created in your laziness!") Many are alerted to patterns of usury, financial structure, etc .. but as we see, few in Wash/WallSt. invite whole popul. to become informed.

    "communism/socialism". As one raised in the US during the Cold War, who later lived outside the US for decades, I'm impressed how successfully the US population was kept fearful of "Red menace". Powerful still – many refuse to explore what historians and other academics tell us about these. Tales of "monsters under the bed" is very effective! (Witness Iraq WMDs, Iran's nuclear threat.)

    "conspiracy theorist"…

    • Maggie123

      ENE members are sharp and clear on "language as manipulator". Entering post-election time, and in harmony with 21stC possibilities, I hope members of this site and many at other sites continue alertness to use of "emotional trigger words" to manipulate understanding.

      I was cut off by character count at "conspiracy theorist" but had a few more common pejorative labels to offer: "union sympathizer", "traitor", "unpatriotic", "political nut case", "unrealistic dreamer", "anarchist", … the list of labels meant to discredit and quell curiosity is long.

      The "left" contributes its share. Yesterday I caught a few "left" newscasts making quite a fuss about Carl Rove's "meltdown". I am *no* supporter of Rove or anything he is attempting to achieve but I finally viewed an 18 min vid of the supposed "meltdown" and found nothing of the sort! Just an ordinary human effort to try to make an argument.

      The ENE community maintains a strong intent toward facts, figures, and information stripped of manipulative language. Any squabbles are appropriate and normal in a healthy community! 🙂

      Unadorned information is what we need. Emotions are valuable. They involve not only fear but empathy, inspiration, and values. But values need to be rooted in solid information, and may shift with new info.

      I've rambled, sorry – but hope "entitlement" and other pejorative labels are increasingly "called out". The "no nukes" movement needs a language-aware…

      • Maggie123

        I've rambled, sorry – but hope "entitlement" and other pejorative labels are increasingly "called out". The "no nukes" movement needs a language-aware listening population! 🙂

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Hey Maggie , i also think language is to evolve togheter with the awakening . Like being stuck with language from an 1 or 2 dimensional world in a 3 dimension world or something . Something more holistic , interconnectedness of everything is a different logic then uni-lineaire causality or something iirc .

          • Maggie123

            DID – interesting 'take' on changes our language use needs to undergo! I thank the women's movement in the 1970's for the concept of re-framing as part of "consciousness raising". Language is so powerful and yet so common – even describing a process as "consciousness raising" captures an idea often neglected!

            Occupy activities of 2011 are recent example recognized for changing language in a way that shifted consciousness and wakefulness.

            I think if I understand you – you're stretching the potential even farther – asking us to reach for language that becomes common in thought and speech that is constantly fully inclusive and causes us to remind ourselves/others of, well, as you say, the interconnectedness of everything. (Replacement "framing").

            I've meant to mention "complexity theory" here at ENE – which I suppose is a development of Chaos theory. I think 'hard science' is on a chase via complexity theory that makes absolute interconnectedness of everything the only intelligent conclusion!

            Is this the same thing Fuller talked about in his descriptions of "synergetics"? As I understand it, he meant the same thing by "integrity" – full integration, "the state of being whole, entire, undiminished". Hierarchical systems are linear, restrict cause/effect to isolated easier to grasp 'truth'. (??)

        • or-well

          Maggie123, I both agree & disagree. I think the anti-nuke movement should – must – be language-aware, but should not restrict itself to emotively neutral language, nor always strive for linguistically unadorned information.

          (But or-well would say that, you might say.)

          Here's why –
          As you point out, framing the paradigm by language works, language as manipulator works, emotional trigger words work.

          There's a growing anti-intellectualism. Messages increasingly need to be *de-sophisticated* for some, *dumbed down* for some.

          There's the issue of attention spans. "Entertain me, stimulate me, catch my attention, don't bore or 10 dollar word me."

          Provoking empathy, inspiration AND fear, fear justified by the truth, gut-wrenching heart-deep emotional response stimulated by truthful information is not invalid.

          By all means lets use honestly perjorative labels to inspire fear, to warn, to discredit and promote societal shunning of those who feel entitled to poison air, land and water, animals, plants and people, for the sake of profit, power and control.

          I am using your words because they are good words that allow me, I hope, to turn the coin over.
          There are *monsters under the bed*.
          Facts are facts, except when they're lies supported by the vast machinery of the global nuclear industry and the truth won't change anything if no one listens to it.

          I'd rather the nuke industry be shut down by outrageous lies than continue because the truth wasn't…

          • Maggie123

            Or-well: Nuclear harm is "off the scale" in terms of potential dire consequences, with huge amounts of research supporting the validity that it's completely catastrophic.

            If I understand you – you would say emotionally charged language/imagery is entirely fitting as part of informing and awakening. I agree! In fact, I've often used highly charged language/imagery to awaken/inform on different themes. Usually I'm trying to evoke spontaneous empathic 'shock'. (Photos of malformed babies in Fallujah for example.)

            Maybe I've introduced a discussion that can't be reduced to the brevity here. Maybe 'ethics' of emotionally charged language/imagery depends on motivation. We also can cite instances when those in positions of power want to manipulate to divide/conquer within a population, or those with economic interests work to convince us an entire nation's population is "enemy". These practices nearly always have strong research *against* the language's truth.

            It gets complicated – I won't run my "individual psychologically based world view" spiel yet again here but even Romney is to some extent 'captured' in myth that developed from his personal experience.

            I guess my key point is awareness – to our susceptibility, to our ways of using/receiving language to frame "truth".

            Meant to come online briefly – hope this reply adds to discussion – that's what dialogue is about! Thank *you* for raising more that needs consideration!

            • or-well

              Maggie123, you understood.
              Agree, Romney, others, "captured in myth" to a degree.
              Agree, there's research out there, too many unaware.
              Think I'll leave "ethics/motivation" for another time!!!
              Your reminder of language awareness most fitting.

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            Very well said or-well ! I agree with both of you . Its a good position to vibrate in between.

            SHE!! does NOT!! deserve to DIE!! from our collective "SICKENING SICKNESS" !!!!!!!!!

            🙂 sry , couldent resist 🙂

            • or-well

              Hi DID, that was a weird story. This one is too.
              Bronco bama with pearl-handled Colts
              stood in the dusty street at high noon
              facing his rival the tax-gunning Mitt
              to see who would sit on the oval throne.
              "Draw" the electorate watching did shout
              and both men bent over and licked the boots
              of the big-money men hanging about
              because neither one of them wants to be shot.

              • Maggie123

                Or-well – Oh dear, hmm… , but needs to be said to remind us. (Nicely done!) 🙂

                • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  Oke , can someone or you both be kind or big enough to explain in straight language what this was all about , what needed to be reminded ?
                  Or was it just a bad communicated joke ? I like to learn , but my guessing is going nowhere and brings only poisson . I like to know where i stand .
                  Thanks !

                  • Maggie123

                    DID – for me, the strongest insights are in

                    ""Draw" the electorate watching did shout
                    and both men bent over and licked the boots
                    of the big-money men hanging about
                    because neither one of them wants to be shot."

                    The words are "suggestive", abstract – don't give outright information, don't directly state an idea.

                    "Draw the electorate watching did shout"
                    — evokes for me a clamoring crowd, entertained by spectacle and not engaged in thoughtful, probing, discussion or examination – lack reverence for their own citizenship responsibility.

                    "and both men bent over and licked the boots
                    of the big-money men hanging about"
                    — evokes constant citizen chatter that recognizes "money talks" – wealth/power are significantly in charge of politics.

                    "because neither one of them wants to be shot." is self-evident in terms of simply staying alive but with more lines could turn out to mean more, such as preferring 'front man' to power/wealth to other life choices. Not enough said to know beyond 'life preservation'.

                    All in all – a bleak assessment – which is why I commented "Oh dear .. but we need reminding". The citizens know what's going on (money talks) and at same time want to watch the show for thrills instead of addressing the problem. (??) 🙂

                    • Maggie123

                      DID – Maybe I could have been more helpful on what lines mean! Am back later to add a bit – tried before but reply box looked like it would duplicate.

                      For Americans, a 'shoot it out' gunfight on 'main street' of 'wild west' town is classic. In days of the wild west these shootouts did happen (so far as I know but I don't know how common they were.) In any case, these gunfights have become an icon to 'cowboy history'. They've been repeated endlessly for years in "cowboy" movies.

                      Two adversaries stand back to back, pace an agreed number of steps in opposite directions. At end of counted steps are free to turn around and shoot at each other. (Cowboy variant of the traditional duel!)

                      Someone has used a cowboy duel motif as metaphor for the recent election.

                      Among lines I said interested me are also words:
                      "big money men hanging about"
                      — as if candidate adversaries are both being watched by power behind the event. The words hint at menace to adversaries from big money that has invested in them. Avoiding the fight would have consequences.

                      Like I said – meant to suggest, to evoke. A playful mind has created a bit "folk poetry" to comment on election reality! 🙂

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      First !!
                      I'm embarrest for the wordings in my last post's , Maggie ! and or-well ! and others having to read my g*rbag ! , 🙁 i have the flu and felt viciously cranky with everything , it should not have been said like that. !!
                      forgive me for interacting with weakened filters the way i let it happen . Sry !
                      .. 🙁

                      second after refresh :
                      You are amazing Maggie Thank You for excellent responding and showing the logic , i figured it would be about guild , but i was , being overseas and all , not familiar with enough local sayings for example , to know if they are used or referred , so to get the scale's painted . In
                      the matrix of scales sort of thing to locate.

                      Thank you and sorry again both of you ! Keep a ritme ! Don't let chaos decide what self-forfilling profety this is going to become .
                      Brake perception barriers , take away unessecary fear , or lie's and replace it with a resonating picture in reality. One day it fall togheter.
                      From there on we can only hope . Who knows , maybe Obama will have to appoint someone non corrupt like Jill Stein head of operation "fight
                      nuclear and climate chance and fracking and wallstreet and elmonstro and lackof-education ELE-dangers causing corruption off the globe " by all means neccessary , soon ?

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Meaning the power to fire and prosecute every head of every everything that is aware and willfully murdering us beyond their control by
                      gambling with the algoritme of profit as only visible brainactivity , and can't stop because of the addictif power.
                      She should also sit on the democratic discussion panel brainstorming the possible escape route's humanity "might" have left.
                      What choice 's ?

                      Edit : ha , i been working this post first part since way before yours 07:17 . That is my speed , compared to yours 😉 .
                      And then there is so much more to keep reading , harvesting so many good idea's from everybody , data overflow but alway's coming back.
                      Because its zombieplanet out there in the real world .

                      thanks so much for you guy's wonderfull didactisch skills here on Enenews.

                    • Maggie123

                      DID – no apology necessary! I didn't notice crankiness but thought your question a fair one!

                      The lines indeed might make little sense. First because they are 'indirect' and only 'hint' at meaning. Second, they would only be familiar to someone who's watched a *lot* of "cowboy western movies"! Besides, it was fun for me – been awhile since anyone has asked me about a poem's meaning. I was an English major and even as a child was attracted to the 'puzzle' of metaphor used to express ideas. So – Thanks for a moment's fun! 🙂

                      DID, I do hope you're feeling better or will very soon. Flue is no fun, that's for sure. Winter is moving in here where I am – shorter days and cooler even indoors. Effect is I often feel like I'm half-asleep or want to take a nap! Stay warm, take care.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Thank you Maggie , freezing to death can be not so bad in itself "painless", but can come very sneacky , just sleepy and relativity and slowing down and gravity and relaxation.
                      I think when you become sleepy you have to increase your intake of calories (including fat ) and increase bloodflow by moving.
                      I hope you are not overdoing your purification lifestyle and if you do give us a yell if it can make a differences , in time.

    • It has been said…

      To Tell The Truth:

      "That for TRUTH to exist it takes two people, one to speak it and one to listen."
      from Episode: Outer Limits: season 4, episode 14

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        ChasAha :):):):):):):):) !!!

      • Maggie123

        DID, ChasAha, others – heads up as per manipulative emotional trigger labels: US "fiscal cliff" language stubbornly persists. Citizens are encouraged to model national finance as if it were household finance. (Sadly, many US citizens believe so – it's convenient and makes national debt deceptively "easy to understand".)

        Newly re-elected Alan Grayson, Fla. US congressman and among the sharpest of fiscal critical thinking minds flagged 'fiscal cliff' today as misleading hype. Interview with Nicole Sandler:

        Nicole S. uses 'combative' labels herself – not what I'd like to see us doing, but her chat with Grayson happens to bring up 'fiscal cliff' as manipulative label. (About 3/4 along on podcast slide.)

        I'll add to ChasAha's quote on link between truth and language, by re-posting a quote I've offered before:

        "All of humanity is in peril of extinction if each one of us does not, now and henceforth, dare to tell always only the truth, and all the truth, and to do so promptly — right now." (R. Buckminster Fuller, "Critical Path", 1981)


        • Great quote! Bucky knew.

          So the whole 'fiscal cliff' thing has me a bit befuddled.

          1. Why was there no mention of this before the election?
          Anybody else notice that?

          2. Didn't we already jump off this cliff when we gave trillions to Wall Street because they ran a failed scheme?
          Where did that money go?

          Notice how they are using the words 'another recession' avoiding at all cost the word depression. (Just like they avoid the words MELTDOWN and PLUTONIUM.) I don't remember the last recession ending. Oh well, I must be getting old.

      • Maggie123

        Thank you ChasAha for the quote – requirement of "listener" is a reminder we all need! Includes listening to our own inner dialogue in my experience – recognizing my own myths, why I cling to them, what validity if any they have!

  • Insight

    Russia has moved its latest War Planes, the Sukhoi 35 Fighter Jets to the disputed island of Cyprus…does this click on a light?

    Let's see… Russia supports Iran and Syria against NATO & USA.
    Cyprus is composed of 2 parts… One side owned by Turkey(NATO)and the other side owned by Greece(NATO)(Israel military base there)
    So… Russia is anti-NATO but is delivering to a Nato nation expensive, state of the art, warplanes?
    Which one do you think receives the fighters?
    Turkey has always wanted Greece. Perhaps Russia is saying they will give Greece to Turkey for switching sides. Turkey will attack Greece, Greece/Cyprus with the help of Israel will defend themselves and do well in the first attack.
    Then they get hit harder from China, Turkey & Russia. Germany, France, Italy and Usa rush in to defend Greece and Israel and the war is on.

  • kalidances

    @cataclysmic again we'll see won't we? They already own a significant portion of American land. What if every Chinese landlord who owns that land decided to evict their American tenants and move their families in? It's legally theirs. Right now it's legally theirs to do whatever they want with it. America can't even afford to buy it back 🙂

    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      eminent domain. and they have owned property here for decades!

      Chinese must also abide by landlord tenant laws.

      Maybe, you might go to a national monument that is now owned by Chinese.

      Look up what we did to the Saudi's.. and you will see, there is nothing to fear.

      • kalidances

        Eminent domain means nothing during wartime 🙂 LOL rich Chinese landlords abide by landlord tenant laws? Seriously? Okay you gave me my laugh for today. Apparently there are no corrupt Chinese land owners. They are all law-abiding and forthright. Okay then.

        I definitely need what you are smoking. Thank you for that.

        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          You are funny, every time someone gets the best of you, you descend into name calling or character assassination.

          Ever heard of the second amendment? How about historically, why the USA has not been invaded in such a long time.. can you say cost? Logistics?

          Pretty hard to sneak up on us with millions of Chinese in tow to occupy our over-valued upside down homes. hahahaha..

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Just wondering who owned North America 500 years ago….what goes around comes around comes to mind.

  • kalidances

    we are back to Assumpion Parish matters now. Please join us if you really care.

  • Insight

    From a Chinese news report…Iran has plan to extend its presence in the international waters and Iran's navy intends to deploy forces to the Atlantic Ocean. Earlier, Sayyari said that "just like the United States and western powers are present near our marine borders, we also plan to have strong presence near the U.S. marine borders."

  • WindorSolarPlease

    When there is Love, it brings you happiness, joy. You want to protect it, take care of it, and nurture it.

    The love of this earth is dimensioning, instead they take from it by taking the resources out, abusing this earth, for their benefit.

    Can't they see, when they abuse this earth they abuse our environment, plants, animals, the people, and the generations to come.

    Until we all find love for this earth, we are on a path to destruction, and then there will be no turning back. I hope it's not too late already.

  • Insight

    BEIJING, Nov. 8 — Turkey’s Foreign Minister says NATO is preparing to deploy Patriot missiles to Turkey along its border with Syria.

    Ahmet Davutoglu made the remarks in Brussels to Turkish reporters. His comments follow earlier statements by Turkish officials that Turkey is in talks with the US and NATO over such a deployment.

    Syrian shelling at Turkey has prompted mounting tensions between the two countries. And Turkey considers Patriot missiles on its territory as a security precaution against a potential military offensive by Syria. According to the report, Turkey and the US are also considering deploying missiles in Turkey’s Kilis province.

    Personally… I think Turkey is trying to get all the military arms they can out of the USA before switching sides. The USA can not afford to lose Turkey as an ally so we are trying to buy their allegiance.

  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Here is a great story of Sandy survival.

    I know a lot of people are still suffering, and now the nor eastern has caused the closure of several fema stations. (they don't deserve caps)

    My heart goes out to our brothers and sisters in the northeast. A question/word of advice though, do you still think it is a good idea to populate an area so densely?

    • richard richard

      '(they don't deserve caps)', yes, there's a lot of things these days that certainly don't deserve caps. I like your thinking 🙂

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Actually Obama was always against the Iraq war. And in his victory speech, he said US war coming to an end after 10 years.

    "Defense contractor Lockheed Martin heeded a request from the White House today – one with political overtones – and announced it will not issue layoff notices to thousands of employees just days before the November presidential election.
    Lockheed, one of the biggest employers in the key battleground state of Virginia, previously warned it would have to issue notices to employees, required by law, due to looming defense cuts set to begin to take effect after Jan. 2 because of the failure of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction – the so-called Super-committee, which was created to find a way to cut $1.5 trillion from the federal deficit over the next decade."

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The title may or may not be sensational..

    Sudden Insatiable Demand for Gasoline Could Trigger Martial Law in NYC

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Dow Tumbles Most in One Year After Presidential Elections

    Fiscal Cliff
    “Now that the election has been decided, investors will turn their focus to the $607 billion of tax increases and federal spending cuts set to kick in automatically in January, the so- called fiscal cliff. The Congressional Budget Office has said the U.S. economy would slow by as much as 0.5 percent next year if Congress fails to keep the increases from taking effect. …”

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      anne: 0.5% economic decline from the so called "Fiscal Cliff"? Better rename it the "Fiscal Bump". This may be the only way to raise taxes, given a Republican House under Norquist control. Hey, we're not going to "reform" (read "cut") social programs if taxes and defense spending remain where they are. Just isn't going to happen. If the FC is the only way to get taxes back to Clinton levels, and to cut defense spending, than so be it.
      Republicans can't have it both ways. Government spending means jobs. Cut government spending, and you cut jobs. I'd support a limit of 100,000 people in the peacetime military. If the Republicans don't want to go over the FC, then come to the table with tax increases, and we'll negotiate a deal. No tax increases = no deal = FC.

      Big Picture: Jobs continue to be shipped of to foreign lands by US corporations. Fine, but if there are no jobs, then we will be forced to expand government services. How about this: We can pick one of two choices.
      1. Americans get food, clothing, housing, education, health care, and transporation. (Google Venus Project)
      2. Tariffs on imports to bring back American manufacturing.
      Simple as that. Take your choice. Or, become a third world nation.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    We need a radiation emissions tax.

    Obama May Levy Carbon Tax to Cut U.S. Deficit, HSBC Says
    “A tax starting at $20 a metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent and rising at about 6 percent a year could raise $154 billion by 2021, Nick Robins, an analyst at the bank in London, said today in an e-mailed research note, citing Congressional Research Service estimates. ‘Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,’ Robins said….”

  • Insight

    Barack Obama has come under intense fire over a shocking suggestion by his administration to give classified missile defense secrets to Russia, according to reports by Bill Gertz in the Washington Times.
    Obama said that he would share sensitive military data about U.S. Standard Missile-3 velocity burnout parameters, one of the top components in American homeland missile defense systems, with Russian military counterparts.
    The RIM-161 Standard Missile 3(SM-3) is a ship-based missile system used by the U.S. Navy to intercept short-to-intermediate range ballistic missiles as part of the Aegis Ballistic Missile System. National security officials condemned the proposal, saying that doing so could compromise the effectiveness of the system by allowing Russian weapons technicians to counter the missile. The weapons are considered some of the most effective high-speed interceptors in the U.S. missile defense arsenal. The move was especially questionable in light of recent developments concerning the Russian Navy, with the foreign government recently claiming to have completed its 4th generation submarine and accompanying slbm, the SM-56 Bulava.
    Russian military officials have claimed the missile can evade any missile defense system on earth.

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      If you're done with the Russians, may I suggest that the US take home their nuclear bombs still stored in Buechel (Eifel mountains) in Germany?
      I live next door, and we don't want them here, thank you.

      • 16Penny 16Penny

        Amen to that!

        I am considering which country to start a green energy company in, Germany is top of the list due to the availability of clean energy and anti-nuclear stance. Thank you for what your country/citizens are doing. You are more progressive than California in this respect and I am very surprised that they have not stepped up the pressure following Fuku.

      • Radio VicFromOregon

        I'll get right on that, BnB.