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  • VanneV anne

    Vote fraud: who destroyed Prop 37 [Mandatory Labeling of Genetically Engineered Food] on election night?
    Saturday, November 10, 2012 by: Jon Rappoport
    “…An updated report, as of noon today, November 9, posted at the California Secretary of State's website, indicates that, for all of California, a boggling 3.3 million votes remain uncounted….”
    http://www.naturalnews.com/037913_vote_fraud_Proposition_37_election.html

    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_37,_Mandatory_Labeling_of_Genetically_Engineered_Food_%282012%29


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Reid urges fast, complete counting of Arizona votes
    By Zack Colman – 11/10/12 04:21 PM ET

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Saturday that Arizona must work faster to count 525,000 outstanding votes.

    In all, 1.8 million votes were cast in the state. Reid said he is concerned that nearly one-third of Arizona’s votes — including 350,000 from Maricopa County, which is home to Phoenix — remain unaccounted for.
    “All of the votes in Arizona must be counted promptly, accurately and equally. The uncounted votes in Maricopa County alone represent a major portion of the total votes cast in Arizona on Tuesday,” Reid said in a statement.

    Reid alluded to potential abuse of minority voters.

    In his comments, Reid mentioned that the Supreme Court would consider a challenge to the Voting Rights Act, which protects minority voters. Specifically, the court will deliberate a portion of the law that makes states with a history of discrimination get federal approval before changing voting laws. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/blog-summaries/267217-reid-urges-fast-complete-counting-of-arizona-votes


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Outrage Builds As Arizona Continues To Count Votes
    November 11, 2012
    By Deborah Montesano Nearly a third of votes cast in Arizona remained uncounted the day after the election. Most of them were probably cast by Latinos, organized and newly registered by multiple civil rights groups in the state to combat candidates like the notorious Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpaio.

    On Thursday, the Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, announced the figures: 631,274 early and provisional ballots remained uncounted out of a total of 1.8 million votes. At least 350,000 of them are from Maricopa County (Phoenix metropolitan area), where Joe Arpaio has already claimed victory. Activist Randy Parraz, president of Citizens for a Better Arizona, told the Huffington Post, “We’re not conceding anything until every vote is counted. They’re just going to act like, ‘Oh, the election’s over, Arpaio wins.’ Hell no.”
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/11/outrage-builds-as-arizona-continues-to-count-votes/


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  • Insight

    "The United Nations said more than 11,000 Syrians had fled into neighboring countries in the previous 24 hours alone, including 9,000 into Turkey, bringing to more than 408,000 the number of registered Syrian refugees in the region.

    The UN said the total number of Syrian refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq would likely hit 700,000, and the head of its humanitarian efforts said those in need of emergency aid in Syria would rise to more than four million early next year."

    It is telling that they believe the crisis will escalate in Jan. 2013.
    Watch for the fall of Damascus.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Speaking of Petreaus:

      "You say Fallujah is a real success story.
      What turned it around?" asked CBS Evening News anchor and managing editor Katie Couric.
      "What turned it around was the local population deciding to reject al Qaeda," said Petraeus.

      After U.S. troops retook the city by force in late 2004, life is now slowly returning to normal. Fallujah is safer. The relationship between American troops and Sunnis is strong."

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502243_162-3232352.html

      BnB thinks what "turned it around" is called depleted uranium.


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  • Insight

    According to the Japan Times, submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) are considered China’s only viable option to maintain a strong nuclear deterrent against the US, because America has identified all of China’s ICBM silos and could easily destroy them in a pre-emptive nuclear strike, he said.

    If Beijing maintains a second-strike capability with SLBMs that can reach the U.S. mainland, Kawamura said, this risk would possibly dissuade America from intervening in a major conflict involving China, the report said.

    “This is directly related to the nuclear strategy of China. China will never give up the Senkakus,” the former vice principal of the Joint Staff College of the Self-Defense Forces said.


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  • Maggie123

    "Cry Fallujah" – heart anguish. I've followed info, seen photos of babies so malformed many can't survive, others not unlike Chernobyl.

    Link introduces background details and updates as of Oct 2012: http://markcrispinmiller.com/2012/10/huge-rise-in-birth-defects-in-fallujah/

    Excerpts:
    "…unwilling host … bloodiest battles ..Iraq war. … homes and businesses … shattered; hundreds .. civilians ..killed. … (US) launched two massive military campaigns eight years ago. Now, one month before the World Health Organisation reveals its view on the legacy of the two battles for the town, a new study reports a “staggering rise” in birth defects among Iraqi children conceived in the aftermath of the war.

    "…miscarriage, toxic levels of lead and mercury contamination and spiralling numbers of birth defects ranging from congenital heart defects to brain dysfunctions and malformed limbs have been recorded. Even more disturbingly, .. appear .. occurring at an increasing rate in children born.."

    Note: Site's extra links on Fallujah – but also Monsanto on birth defects (may be unrelated to Fallujah, I've not checked).

    Note: US Military did not escape Fallujah effects. Just tried, can't find info link but have heard quality interviews on soldier genetic/offspring damage.

    Note: Not only US, ALL allied forces were aware, ALL practice silence. Oct 2012 Common Dreams: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/26-3. (Fallujah suffering stifled by silence)


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  • Insight

    A man identified as a leader of an Islamic movement inside Israel says that Muslims have been very tolerant about insults to their prophet, Muhammad, but the video “Innocence of Muslims” just took the rhetoric too far.
    “Don’t touch our prophet,” Sheikh Abdullah Nimr Darwish said in a report in Israel Today. “In recent years our prophet was defamed again and again and that offends. But this time they went too far.”

    What Sheikh Abdullah Nimr Darwish cannot see yet is that the Saudi king has a plan to rule all of islam. The Saudi king embraces Wahhabis that accuse the global majority of Muslims of "worshipping" the Prophet Muhammad and saintly Muslims rather than Allah alone, and thereby becoming apostates deserving of execution.


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  • Maggie123

    B&B – I am horrified by Petraeus's remarks on Fallujah! See post below – meant to attach it here. Silence on human suffering out of human designed … evil …must be openly revealed, acknowledged, and healing addressed if we're to find our way to full earth/life wellness – I feel this so strongly!

    (re 'evil' – it's a word I've refused to use for the 'religious entanglement' it carries for many, but I'd already used 'horror'. No thesaurus synonyms for 'horror' came close to the what I mean to convey, so I use 'evil').


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  • Insight

    Just mulling musings about the "what for?" question from B&B.
    I think Russia needs Turkey to fight on their side. So Russia may be offering Turkey, Greece as spoils of war while also offering the Kurds a piece of northern Iraq for a nation of their own thereby solving the crisis Turkey has with the Kurds. So happy Turks and happy Kurds and very happy Russia solving a "what for" question. Saudi Arabia will get the rest of Iraq.
    People may not understand what a crucial nation Turkey is in the games of war. Turkey has a powerful, well trained and equipped military. Their airforce is respected for their considerable skills. They are positioned in a "hotseat". Iran will fall because they are being set-up while thinking Russia and China are on their side which they really are not.


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    • richard richard

      You're just itching for a fight aren't you. Who do you think you are? Some great clairvoyant, or is it you're the most sophisticated strategic thinker, never before seen in history. All seeing, all knowing, fully aware, finger on the pulse, screening every government's communications networks, reading every cable, monitoring every phone call, reading very email.

      Or are copying and pasting drivel from another website?

      I look forward to the months going by and none of your 'predictions' come about. Are you going to eat your words then, will you shut up with your war mongering then?


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      • VanneV anne

        Richard, please just say you hate war and disagree and save the personal attack. Or say, I sincerely hope you are wrong.

        Personal invective is a reflection of the speaker (you), not the person being attacked (insight). We have to deal with a real world and it healps to read all insightful commentary to understand and deal with that world.

        Personal invective just says that the speaker can't articulate an intellectual and cognitive response. Aggression solves nothing.

        Incidently, cancer comes from environment exposure. Just because you are male (women have 40% greater chance to get cancer compared with the same exposure for a man, and children have a much, much greater chance).

        I was quite close to a above ground nuclear test when I was 9 or 10 years old, very close to the worst nuclear plant meltdown in 1957, and in the northern hemisphere when Chernobyl occurred, TMI occurred, now Fukushima, etc., etc. I also live between RockyFlats nuclear weapons plant (since 1968) and near the failed St Vrain Nuclear Power plant still full of live fuel and air colled.

        From your privileged location in Australia, you need to formulate some compassion for those living in the northern hemisphere, especially those near the GOM, or the Madrid fault line, or on the East Coast, or near failed or failing nuclear power plants. Without compassion, your belligerent message will be glossed over.


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      • Insight

        There are wolves in the forest Richard… ravenous wolves. You cry in outrage pretending they do not exist. My not telling you about them will not make them go away.


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        • richard richard

          There's kooks in the closet too.

          More things to worry about then the trash you sprout about.

          You obviously haven't cottoned onto what this website is about.

          Generally, there is concern that three reactors are in uncontrolled meltdown and no one is doing anything substantial to stop the poisoning of planet earth.

          Your spam of your predictions of the future are not even close to the conversations around here.

          Frankly, I don't see any value in what you're blabbering on about.

          You're trying to predict the future and you clearly don't have the skill set for it. Leave it for the warlocks.


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          • Insight

            I love tree huggers, I love our planet. I love aware people.

            How smart is it to point at a leak in a pipe and gather around and discuss the leak and how important it is to fix the leak and what are the solutions to fix the leak, and what would be the result if we don't fix the leak and how many people will be hurt because of the leak … when a few feet away the pipe turns a corner and is gushing open ended and ignored by the fix the leak group.
            No offence intended here but the war coming up will make most of our discussions benign.
            You act like I am causing the war Richard. I constantly study what is going on in military conflicts around the world. I don't make them up… I read about them. Don't be distracted as to what issues are most important at this point in time.

            Plan for the worst because the worst is about to happen. Where are your nearest bomb shelters Richard? Do the nuclear plants have protection for back-up cooling systems in case they are hit by a missle or a permanent power outage occurs? How long will those cooling pools last? Anybody know? Do you have a back up plan for evacuation of an area in case a nuclear plant is bombed/shattered?
            Do you keep your gas topped off in your car all the time?
            What I talk about nobody wants to hear. Nevertheless,it is part of the reality of life on the planet today.
            This is a great forum with a large number of intelligent people that are concerned with humanity and saving our planet. I appreciate that.


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  • Insight

    "After the National Assembly of Turkey was established in 1920, this office was in the Shar’iyya wa Awqaf Ministry until 1924,
    when the Ministry was abolished due to separation of religion from state, the office was replaced by the Presidency of Religious Affairs.
    As the successor entity to the office of the Sheikh al-Islam, the Presidency of Religious Affairs is the most authoritative entity in Turkey in relation to Sunni Islam.
    The Ulema embrace three principal orders,- the Imams, or Ministers of Religion; the Muftis, who expound the Sacred Law; and the Kadis, or Mollahs, who are judges. More than eleven thousand Moslem clergy – if that word may be used of a faith the officials of which were, strictly speaking, never priests – were subordinate to the Sheik ul Islam. His stipend was a quarter of a million dollars a year, drawn from the revenues of the landed property of the vacuf, meaning property set aside for religious purposes. It is estimated that THREE FORTHS of all the urban property in Turkey is owned by the spiritual arm of the government. The dignity and power of the Sheik ul Islam can scarcely be overstated. It must be remembered that all the life of Turkey is attuned to the note of the muezzin, which daily sounds from the minarets of thousands of mosques."

    Do you think the Sheik ul Islam wants to be ruled by Saudi Arabias Wahhabis? Neither do I. USA supports Saudi Arabia.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Is it Insight or Incite? I'm just not sure…


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      • Insight

        I am sure that you are not sure.


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        • Jebus Jebus

          Sure, but what is your point of all your self proclaimed insight?
          Is it just to incite or do you actually have a plan to correct this great injustice that you proclaim?
          It's good that someone is keeping track of this so that it doesn't get out of hand. Maybe the CIA or FBI could use someone of your power. They have websites, you can warn them there.
          The last I checked, most here are concerned about nuclear radiation plants, not perceived war plans…


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          • VanneV anne

            Since the real purpose of nuclear energy plants is to produce weapons grade plutonium, if we want to avoid use of nuclear weapons in war, we need to be informed. No one has to read every post put on this website. I certainly pass over most of them.


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            • Jebus Jebus

              Areeed anne,
              I was just curious as to all of his posts and where he was going with it. I certainly don't want him to leave here, I like his fortitude. Everyone has a right to speak out on their concerns. This is the spot, to generalize those concerns and hope for feedback.
              I try to read all posts, and I post back on very few. Just the ones that leave me with questions. The people here usually have a great handle on the issues. Thats why I keep checking in here.
              Take care…


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              • VanneV anne

                Thanks, Jebus. I am interested in Turkey. I studied Turkish language for one year and have an MA in Islamic Studies (Arabic and Persian languages, history, and literature). Also studied Hebrew for one year and Ukrainian for 2 years. I don't have any answers. I find the whole situation in the Middle East very sad for everyone involved.

                At one time the US said that they would listen to the people in the Middle East and not continue to support dictators unpopular with their people.

                But I'm sure there are few pure motivations among everyone involved in the Middle East including all the foreign powers who are all also involved. I don't mean to sound flippant, but the phrase "don't throw out the baby with the bath water" comes to mind.

                The horrors of depleted and not so or not at all depleted uranium are killing off the whole entire planet, but especially those living in the Middle East.

                I don't believe in the doctrine of "The ends justify the means", no matter the country or the group acting on this premise.

                The seeds of discord were sown after WWI especially when the area was divided up to keep the whole region conquered.

                Some countries in the Middle East seem to be getting the idea and are implementing the use of solar energy much faster than the US.

                And I have a hard time stomaching the justifications of most of those ruling the US.


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                • VanneV anne

                  Right now I'm trying to figure out how to use an Excel spreadsheet to figure out some engineering problems for the class I'm taking on Solar Cells, Fuel Cells and Batteries. The students are really good in the discussion f0rum helping out everyone, but I certainly don't learn everything very quickly anymore. And understanding electrical equations are not something I ever attempted before.


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                • Insight

                  Anne, with your backgound of Islamic Studies you probably have a greater understanding of the conflicts in the Middle East than most people. As I see it, even if the rest of the world did not exist, there would never be peace in the Middle East until all muslims share the same religious view. It is not enough to just be a muslim because there will never be complete harmony between Sunnis, Shias, Muslim Brotherhood, Alawites, Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Quranists, Wahhabis and others because their beliefs rule out the other denominations. Some are adamant that their beliefs and only their beliefs can be allowed to exist.
                  China and Russia have paid sharp attention to that fact.


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                  • VanneV anne

                    One of the real problems is they deliberately carved up the Middle East in sectors which would have differing values and hence built in conflicts. One of the unkind choices is that put the Kurds in 4 different countries. Turkey has many human rights violations against the Kurds. At one no one religious party was allowed to rule in Turkey, but since that has changed there is now more conflict rather than less. I finished that MA in 1961, and I was mainly studying the middle ages which I continued in my PhD. in Comparative Literature. Didn't finish the first dissertation which was on a Persian theosophist who wrote in both Arabic and Persian. The dissertation I finished was on the European Middle Ages which was greatly influenced by the Arabs in Spain.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Sorry for the typos: they put the Kurds….
                      At one time, no one religious party…

                      I actually think that peace is possible, but not right now.


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                    • Maggie123

                      Anne – Western "boundary decrees" are something of tremendous consequence I've only become aware of in last several years. Would you happen to know – isn't this also behind some of the issues across Africa? I know it's not that simple – know some is rooted in pre-colonial animosities, and know other factors come into play but "we" did interfere in ways that have helped havoc reign from what I've come across. Thanks.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Here's another very sad chapter from WWI:

                      Armenian Genocide
                      “On the eve of World War I, there were two million Armenians in the declining Ottoman Empire. By 1922, there were fewer than 400,000. The others — some 1.5 million — were killed in what historians consider a genocide….”
                      http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/turkey/armenian_genocide/index.html


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                    • Maggie123

                      Anne – Thank you. In fact this genocide account is the information I heard only recently that gave me a reality check on my possibly unrealistic appreciation of Turkish attitudes toward geopolitics they are involved in. (I caught an interview podcast, perhaps with an author, but was busy and didn't give it full attn.)

                      The account I heard triggered vague memory of having heard of the plight of Armenians in Turkey before. Further, the author or whomever speaking on the podcast *emphasized* that Turkish culture has a *very* strong "pure Turk" concept of what their nation is or should be. He referenced the Ottoman Empire as part of source for this.

                      Further – vaguely it seems to me – reports across the last month or two have suggested Turkish authority impatience (my word choice) with dealing with refugees.

                      I continue to have a general sense of Turkish culture/government as different enough (more secular, democratic, different relationship with the West – and also independent of the frey enough), that they might play a sane and helpful role – but as you said: "no pure motivations" (Do any humans ever consistently hold them!)

                      I need to do some research and get up to speed on this – thanks for sharing, which is for me a 'nudge'. I do like to have some sense of both current and historical dynamics of human affairs around the world.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Turkey is no longer secular, but ruled by a religious right wing.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      European Court Rules Against Turkey’s Religion ID

                      http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/turkey/14996

                      In Turkey, Religious Schools Gain a Foothold
                      “Converting schools into religious institutions known as Imam Hatips is part of the Islamist-rooted government's education reforms, which, according to some parents, represent a welcome change.

                      "’We are a Muslim country and Imam Hatips are for teaching our religion,’ says one mother donning a headscarf in accordance with her faith. "It is important for my child. I want my child to learn his religion. All this criticism is an exaggeration because we are a Muslim country, so religion must be in our education.’…"
                      http://www.voanews.com/content/turkey-controversial-education-reform-imam-hatip-schools/1514915.html


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                    • VanneV anne

                      An Islamic Party Wins Turkish Elections

                      Nov. 12, 2012
                      …Kampala New Vision (government owned), Nov. 5: Turkey is evolving in a new direction where religion may mingle with politics. The army must accept this. If democracy is stifled, fanaticism can erupt. All the indications are that the AKP [Justice and Development Party] is a moderate centrist party.
                      Vienna Die Presse (conservative), Nov. 4: No protest vote could have been clearer. The Turks did nothing less on Sunday than completely reduce the old political system in their country to rubble.”
                      http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/835.cfm


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                • Maggie123

                  Wonderful to read this Anne, and without regional scholarship/study behind me I for some reason look to Turkey as having elements of greater sanity – wisdom available to play important guiding role in resolution of what is such an intl messed up situation. (I even looked up Turk. embassy address months back and sent them a brief thank you – think it was when they first opened borders to refugees from Syria.)

                  I say 'elements' of greater sanity because I catch tidbits that remind me as you say: "…there are few pure motivations among everyone involved in the Middle East including all the foreign powers who are all also involved."

                  It is ever thus across history of last 10K yrs or so – my deep dream is 21stC global challenges will cause us to re-examine 'who we are' (we = humanity). I know it's an unrealistic dream but it's one I've carried 'in essence' since childhood and prefer an unreachable dream vs capitulation to "probability". (I.e. IMO 'possibility' – knowl. + wisdom, for 'new' humanity exists. Too big a topic.)

                  So pleased to learn of your MA studies! Also that you're taking on new learning challenges! My monumental move (nation, location, etc) brought so much pragmatic challenge to my life that for first time in adult life I just can't 'get into' course work. Prior to that seldom a year went by I wasn't deep in formal/informal study! (Now informal only – somewhat scattered at that). Thanks so much for your dedication!!!.


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            • Insight

              I agree Anne.

              The protection of nuclear power plants is so important one would think there would be a military unit permanantly stationed at each one to monitor them. How easy would it be to barge in and take one over? They probably have some security but so do banks and they are broken into regularly.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Have you ever been to Turkey? Do you know Turkish people personally and spend time with them? I do, and I can tell you that Turkey is one of the most fascinating countries I ever came across.
      To state that "all daily life in Turkey is atuned to the muezzin" is just plain wrong.


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      • Insight

        B&B…" The Turkish Government states that 99% of the population is Muslim. Academic research and polls give different results of the percentage of Muslims which are lower, but most of which are above the 90% range. In the most recent poll conducted by Sabanci University, 98.3% of Turks revealed they were Muslim. In addition, only 13% of Turks have a favourable opinion of Christians, and 10% of Jews."
        So B&B you are correct in a manner because the word "all" is all encompassing. What is most important overall is what opinion does the Turkish government have because they control the Turkish people and make the decisions as to their future. They will make decisions based on economics,future political alignments and the voice of the people. Turkey has a secular constitution, with no "official" state religion. When WW3 starts, perhaps the Muslims of the world will say "Unite and fight for Allah" then the 90%+ of Turkish citizens may demand the Turkish government to be attuned to the muezzin.
        Turkey is a fascinating country, however, I have realized by going to many Greek and Cyprus websites that the Greeks hate(dislike does not describe the depth of emotions expressed)the Turks.


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  • VanneV anne

    I certainly hope the world can avoid nuclear war. Turkey did not support the US when the second Pres. Bush went into Iraq.

    China will launch NUCLEAR WORLD WAR III, if Israel, US attacks Iran- Maj. Gen. Zhang Zhaozhong
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3H49snpFRg

    OMG! Russia Warns US!!! WW3 COMING SOON!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul7gY_-Wv6M&feature=related

    APNewsBreak: Senators working on tougher Iran sanctions as Obama seeks another diplomatic push
    November 9, 2012
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/apnewsbreak-senators-working-on-tougher-iran-sanctions-as-obama-seeks-another-diplomatic-push/2012/11/09/c6e87f88-2a49-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html


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  • VanneV anne

    $1 trillion in defense cuts: What you need to know
    October 23, 2012
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/23/news/economy/obama-romney-foreign-policy/index.html

    Obama won the nomination in 2008 because he was the peace candidate, and he won the election that year as the peace candidate.

    He also won the Nobel prize for peace.


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  • VanneV anne

    Saber rattling in China and Japan
    September 21, 2012
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/asian-saber-rattling-to-make-political-points/2012/09/21/d24f6d6a-0356-11e2-91e7-2962c74e7738_story.html

    Saber-Rattling: U.S. Defense Secretary warns Japan-China territorial spat could lead to war
    17 Sep 2012
    http://www.sott.net/article/251342-Saber-Rattling-US-Defense-Secretary-warns-Japan-China-territorial-spat-could-lead-to-war

    Sabre Rattling in the East China Sea
    October 24, 2012
    “Tensions continue to rise in the East China Sea as Japan and China face off in a territorial dispute over untapped oil beneath the sea. The Japanese government announced last month that the disputed nearby islands had been nationalized in a purchase from a private Japanese owner. China holds that the islands were stolen by the Japanese in 1895 at the end of the Sino-Japanese war. Your Inputs Monitor reported on the growing ire between the two in September….”
    http://www.agweb.com/article/sabre_rattling_in_the_east_china_sea/


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  • CBuck CBuck

    The last few days I've been sharing links to this site on facebook. Because of this and some who think that I'm being hateful and opinionated…it has caused me to lose 18 friends. I'm just astounded that people think that the truth is something hateful. Maybe it is fear induced, I don't know…but I'll be damned if I'll let anyone censor me.


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    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      no loss. they can't have been good friends.
      Keep on talking!


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      • CBuck CBuck

        I wouldn't be this upset, but one of the friends was my daughter. We have very different opinions on some things, it just makes me sad that people can't accept the truth and blame the messenger. Oh well, onward and upward! ;)


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        • eatliesndie eatliesndie

          I have a few children, not all are from the same "tribe" as me. It's just the way it happens.
          Onward and upward! :)


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        • Maggie123

          CBuck – even sorrier! Interesting – my wonderful daughter's life and focus is different enough (now) from mine that she and I find we come close to pretty strong differing interpretations of why this or that is happening and what might be best to do about it.

          Some discussions we'd have had previously at greater depth we now 'back away from' when they reach a certain point. We both notice this. Part of difficulty is that we can't often chat and then only by phone.

          Again – I'm so sorry. If it helps, I've witnessed this 'breach' (adult kid's world views in conflict with parent's). Eventually (can be awhile) the relationships pick up again. Don't want to try to offer 'kitchen wisdom' from outside the situation so will say again I'm sorry and very best wishes.


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          • CBuck CBuck

            Thanks Maggie and eatlies….we are still talking, and we usually just avoid certain topics. I just don't get why the truth causes things like this. It's fine, and it is what it is…all we can do is keep spreading the word and hope that some people listen and become aware.


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            • Maggie123

              All of us carry underlying insecurities that run pretty deep I think – even 'intuitively' we experience this. Each of our kids, especially nearing/reaching their adult experience, is scrambling to feel 'established/secure'. As parents of these kids, we may ourselves either feel 'reasonably' established or be doing some scrambling also.

              It's not the world I'd like to see develop in the 21stC – I want us (humanity) to notice this insecurity and realize how much of it is within our range of choice.

              I.e. access to basic resources, educ., etc increasingly carries a monetary price tag, forces us to prioritize in ways we'd maybe not if we explored alternatives.

              "Forces" us, for ex. to become 'protective' of resources we'd perhaps otherwise enjoy sharing,…

              'Forces' us to disregard long term consequences for ex. "we need energy so nuke = OK if it's what's politically on the agenda",…

              Frustrating and heartbreaking sometimes to 'stand back' and watch some of what we do and realize why we seem to do it!


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        • Insight

          Didn't realize one was your child CBuck. Perhaps it is best to agree to disagree. Kids never seem to want to be told they are wrong about anything.
          I remember being told …" If you want a better life – change it!"
          and " Happiness is what you make of it." Always had a better understanding of the first one than the second. Don't be upset, she loves you.


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    • richard richard

      Wow CBuck, that's quite a response (in the neg).

      A friend was speaking to me on the weekend, and having just a few days ago seen an article about waste water at fuku, he finally asked me a question, 'where is all the waste water stored?'.

      He was beginning to understand how contaminated sea life may be getting. His wife is expecting their second child. I think his levels of concern just went up a few notches.


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    • Maggie123

      Sorry to read of this, CBuck – as eatliesndie says – friendship clearly not their priority – "if they have no ears to hear, shake dust off hem of garments and move on"! (Think that's a poorly paraphrased biblical reference – not sure – but a germ of wisdom.) Disappointing we (humanity) have so much trouble sharing real thought about real concerns. It's my observation in a crowded globally entangled world we are "in each others faces". This can be opportunity! If we're to resolve our many deep dilemmas we're going to need to find a way to 'get comfortable' openly sharing! Keep on truckin'! :)


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    • Insight

      CBuck don't consider them friends. They were merely tourists to your site wanting to watch the world go by with a blind eye. Keep strong in your enthusiastic search for truth and knowledge. You have true friends, let the others drift back into the activities that make them feel comfortable. Not everyone is destined to have an educated mind or to be prepared for the future or to make a difference in the world.


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          Sorry that happened CBuck. Good to know you & your daughter are still talking. It does hurt but time will heal. I use facebook to post about major issues & use the Occupy pages to share as well. I try to make the *headline say enough about the subject…never expecting them to read the article..but if they just read the title…something will stick.

          ~With some people I sort of learned…if they absorb a tiny bit..then they feel good when they pick up on a related topic & feel *proud to tell me something they know or learned…so let them have something they can tell you about..allow that back & forth, giving them small bits of info at a time.

          Many people cannot absorb & process the amount of info we do…at least not in the same time frame. They have truly been brainwashed & their brains deadened to the dangers around them & how to be constantly learning. Watch enough killing in movies..or crime shows & music videos etc. & you are immune to the true suffering right in front of your face. And you do not want to have any of *that happening to you…so you shut everything out. It is also a protective measure.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The force of all living things is wounded and very pissed…

    Global warming felt by space junk, satellites

    Manmade increases in carbon dioxide might be having effects that are larger than expected

    Rising carbon dioxide levels at the edge of space are apparently reducing the pull that Earth's atmosphere has on satellites and space junk, researchers say.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49780677/ns/technology_and_science-space/


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Veteran's day In the UK.

    Veterans Day and a caution against the cult of the military

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/12/veterans-day-caution-cult-military


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    TSA inspectors get a larger annual clothing allowance than Marine lieutenants get through their whole careers

    http://boingboing.net/2012/11/11/tsa-inspectors-get-a-larger-an.html


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Nuclear fuel from USS Enterprise headed for Idaho

    By Associated Press

    CLICK>>http://www.kivitv.com/news/local/178693011.html


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Veterans Day means many things to people. It might mean a day off to work around the house, a day of shopping, or having fun, maybe it's a day of remembrance.

    For me it's a day remembering what my Dad saw and did, also what other Vets have gone through.

    My Dad was a medic in World War 11 under Patton's Army. He saw many battles and was highly decorated with the Silver Star, Bronze Stars with Oak Leaf Clusters, Purple Heart, and so on. His job was to get the wounded to a safe area or work on them while trying to dodge the bullets.

    Daddy said he didn't see the uniform, he only saw the people's pain. Whoever he could help he tried, no matter what side they were on. This was the type of person he was.

    He carried the battles with him the rest of his life. It tormented him that he could not help everyone on the battle fields. At that time they did not understand PTSD, he was experimented on and was on a different type of battle at home.

    Dad had this loving and caring nature who gave all to his family and to his Country.

    Veterans not only need to be remembered, they also should have the care they need.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Here in Canada it is called "Remembrance Day" which slightly increases the emphasis on the horrors of war rather than the emphasis on those who perpetrate it.

      Here as everywhere there are old warriors who strut and march and pray and urge everyone to honor them. Every politician here wears a poppy lapel pin for a few days (Flanders Fields) and tries to look solemn and concerned.

      My grandfather left his family and new home in Canada to go back to fight for the British in WW I ("the war to end all wars"). He survived and lived out his days with a Veteran badge proudly in his lapel. In my youth I joined the army reserve here. I was a fool, but luckily I didn't know it and they were between wars at the time.

      Meanwhile, on another front:

      http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2295-dead-enough-the-reality-of-the-qlesser-evilq.html

      As you can see, I'm not a fan of wars or warriors and I refuse to romanticize either.

      Perhaps the day should be renamed Petraeus Day, to help us all focus on priorities.


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      • blackbeer blackbeer

        Well aigeezer I have so much I would like to say about this subject but you are close to hitting the nail on the head. Yesterday I wanted to watch a little football but that was not to happen. The adds, vet day adds, were just too much for me, the romance of war is just too much for me, the denial of reality is just too much for me. I was sickened unto death. Like I said, there is much I would like to say on this subject but it will take some time to choke down the bile that hits the back of my throat before I can do so…

        Tom


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi aigeezer

        I agree with you that war should not be glorified or romanticize over it either, my post above was not meant to sound like that. I tried to show a little of what he went through, and it was not good.

        War is horrible in so many ways, it should not be taken lightly and everything needs to be done to prevent it. There is no need to have any wars, if everyone works on having peace instead.

        My Dad would say he never wants anyone to experience what he went through.
        Through the Vietnam War it hurt him so much to watch these young people from all over come together just to fight.

        Love & Peace is the only way


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    • Maggie123

      My thoughts of comfort to all touched by war. I am so sorry.

      Yes, Aigeezer, I often remember my elem. teaching in Canada and you're right about the emphasis. Local veterans participated in our assembly program but clear orientation was "no more, no more". My strongest awareness of war came with Vietnam – first while in college, including awareness of concerns of male contemporaries, and socializing with draftees from a near-by military base. At the time I also saw the film "The Victors" – powerful juxtaposed footage flipping between reality for soldiers and pleasure pursuits of civilians back home. At one time "Hallelujah Chorus" burst in for added emphasis. My reaction to that film stays "immediate" with me still.

      After college I learned more, over time of geopolitics behind most/all wars. I don't want to contribute to distress of any who carry deep personal wounds and sorrows of war. I long ago came to view war as the worst of the never-ending ways we presume/assume/embrace pleasure and comfort based on asking others to do what we want no part of ourselves.

      The Victors, (1963): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Victors_%28film%29

      Again – I wish comfort; to extent I can – I walk with you.


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      • blackbeer blackbeer

        Maggie; your carefully worded thoughts tended to remind me of where I was and that there is no need for me to assail this thread with what might be objectionable rants. Suffice it to say that that short 13 month adventure not only ended my life as I knew it but was to form the never ending challenge of clinging to live or cashing it in, to realizing that empathy could be a curse and at times unindurable, and that my potential for violence is beyond anything I might have ever thought possible. War is failure and we have failed miserably………..

        Tom


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        • aigeezer aigeezer

          Powerful thoughts from both of you. Thank you both. I'm so sorry for anyone caught up in it, past, present or future.


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        • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Thank you for your honesty blackbeer , it takes strenght to be vulnerable if your an open wound.
          I hear you on the false romance everywhere , the bile , and the potential to do harm yourself.
          Its an amazing life-energy draining batlle to prevent the rage/demons from coming out an ad to humankind's evil sometimes.
          Depending on how the environment/life is triggering , but no one can imaging it . Good for them .
          I never been in war , my family did my maimings from the age off 7 months .

          Thank you , Take care , and keep contributing your critical vieuws .


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Did anyone notice we had a 6.4 in the gulf of alaska 4 hours ago?

    Type: Earthquake
    4 hours ago
    Magnitude: 6.4
    DateTime: Monday November 12 2012, 20:42:15 UTC
    Region: Gulf of Alaska
    Depth: 55.2 km
    Source: USGS Feed

    Magnitude 6.4 earthquake strikes Gulf of Alaska

    http://newsminer.com/view/full_story/20810738/article-Magnitude-6-4-earthquake-strikes-Gulf-of-Alaska?instance=home_news_window_left_top_3


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Jebus

      Why no. It would seem the airwaves have been taken over by what is now the General Petraeus soap opera. They have seized it and are running for days with it, ignoring everything else. Tasteless clods who read other people's mail.


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  • arclight arclight

    Indigenous Protestors Against Guatemala Energy Company massacred -UK Government profits!
    Unión FENOSA was acquired by UK-based Actis Capital LLP, a private equity firm, when it bought a majority stake in the company in May 2011 from its Spanish owners. Actis then renamed the company Energuate, stating that it “looks forward to building upon the work of FENOSA and delivering a world class service to customers while operating to the highest environmental, safety, and governance standards.”

    Actis itself has roots in the Commonwealth Development Corporation (CDC), a UK government entity that was created in 1948 to invest in developing economies, following the retreat of the British empire from many of its colonies.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/12/indigenous-protestors-against-guatemala-energy-company-massacred-uk-government-profits/

    Moscow orders closure of indigenous peoples organization
    By
    Atle Staalesen
    Thomas Nilsen
    November 12, 2012
    Russia’s Ministry of Justice orders close-down of RAIPON in what is another crackdown on NGOs in Russia. The organization has an official cooperation agreement with the Norwegian Barents Secretariat.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/12/32752/

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/12/petraeus-mistress-reveals-real-motive-behind-benghazi-attack-video-rt/

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/12/danger-of-kyrgyzstans-uranium-polluted-rivers-extends-way-beyond-national-borders/


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Here's one to ponder…

    I went to the state of california statistical website to check on Radiation Monitoring Reports and Information,

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/Pages/RHB-RadReport.aspx

    nothing for 2012, no detection…

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/Documents/CDPH-RHB-RadReport-2012-05-23.pdf

    which led me to statistics

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statistics/Pages/default.aspx

    which led me to death statistics…

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statistics/Pages/DeathStatisticalDataTables.aspx

    which led me to birth and infant statistics…

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statistics/Pages/InfantDeathDataTables.aspx

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statistics/Pages/FetalDeathData.aspx

    Notice any thing statistically missing about these pages?


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  • Sickputer

    Pretty secret stuff that has been circulating for over a year among blogs and forums…the CDC is worse than California (2009)… and all the states stopped after Fukushima Daiichi blew up.

    I can't say I'm surprised at anything the nucleocrats do. They have the power to manipulate anything any data. I guess I am surprised they don't just post fake data like Radnet. Probably afraid they will get caught like I detected Radnet lying with online data the day of the US Great Eastern Earthquake.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    radionuclide bioaccumulation
    some sleep, some deny, some ponder wisdom, some hide, some cry, some anger, some worry, some are silent, some shout, some laugh, some scheme, some shine light, but all are affected, the same…


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  • sickputer2 sickputer2

    BTW…Doppleganger of Sickputer here…I have a fracking post that has defied posting on my regular login (After hitting Submit Comment an Enenews a new page appears with these words: "Not Found Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here."

    It also failed as Sickputer2. I am trying this test message to see if anything will post.

    Frackocrat tricks?


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    • richard richard

      hi SP2.

      I've had a similar message on some posts before.

      In trying to recall what is was, it's related to the URL, I recall. Could be a duplicate, or too many exotic characters.

      See if there is a '?' in the URL. Sometimes you can trim away that and anything following.. then try the smaller link in a browser to see if it's still valid.

      I remember it was when I was either linking a youtube clip or a google document (or both at once)… it was something weird like that.. if all that helps. ;)


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        I tried to post LOL once , and it gave a message ; You already said that !
        I tought for a second it was anonymous kidding or something.


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        • Maggie123

          DID, Richard: I tried to add a tiny bit by 'reply' to a post I addressed to DID earlier and got an 'active' box containing what I'd already posted. I could see successful first submit above. I suppose if I'd clicked 'submit' it might have said "you already said that". Since my extra thought wasn't critical I abandoned and moved on … but maybe a temporary 'glitch' for ENE or something else? Will keep Richard's 'tricks' in mind too. Thanks!


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  • sickputer2 sickputer2

    Indiana is emulating several states now requiring disclosure of fracking chemicals, The Hoosiers passed their law earlier this year.

    Here is a witches brew of company responses:

    http://www.in.gov/dnr/dnroil/6599.htm

    View in the far right hand column the PDFs for each chemical (most are blends). I fear we are all going to be dead within a few years from fracking poison looking at their documents.


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  • sickputer2 sickputer2

    View in the far right hand column the PDFs for each chemical (most are blends). I fear we are all going to be dead within a few years from fracking poison looking at their documents.

    Peruse this one…a biocide EC6116A from Illinois chemical company Nalco:

    http://dnrimages.dnr.in.gov/pdfs/test/MSDS/og-MSDS-EC6116A-10212010.pdf

    Just a few drops will kill a rabbit orally or through the skin. Bummer!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Checkin out for the eve…

    Just want to thank all for being you.

    This reflects, what I believe is why, we are, the band of brothers and sisters, that we are…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot6pSrKT1oc&feature=related

    It's in there, watch for it…


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  • richard richard

    hi markww. just in case you still wanted to chat about the pentagon i thought i'd better break away from the other thread now.

    my only immediate comment is that I like to correct a slight misconception people may have about the planes.

    a Jumbo has always been considered a Boeing 747. Nothing else. That was the plane to earn the moniker.

    my concern is that I see in some 9/11 reports the word Jumbo is used to describe the 'planes'. The planes were not 747s at all. They were 767s and 757s, far smaller craft then a 747.

    I point this out as history creates chinese whispers and incorrect assumptions are inplanted in the publics' mind.

    Thanks for understanding that I can't accept the word Jumbo when relating to 9/11 details.


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Good Morning ENEers! Here is one of what I think will be a flood of electric vehicles to come in the next ten years.

    http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/?ti=v3

    Enjoy!


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  • Sickputer

    OK… Had to also leave the Flaming Missiles thread (aka Big fire kills people in Hoosier state) to reveal another bombshell: we have another bigshot general in trouble for monkey business:

    "today, General John Allen, the top NATO commander in Afghanistan, was also confirmed to be under investigation."

    http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/world-affairs/2012/11/two-generals-agent-shirtless-and-30000-pages-sexts


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  • Sickputer

    Pogo: "We have met the enemy and she is a hot 40-year-old bombshell cougar"

    SP: More foreign policy feces hits the fan…where the crap will stick is debatable:

    "During the speech at the University of Denver, Broadwell said, “I don’t know if a lot of you heard this but the CIA annex had actually had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. That’s still being vetted.”

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/12/does-speech-reveal-that-paula-broadwell-petraeus-mistress-had-access-to-classified-information-about-libya-attack/

    SP: While I doubt this messy scenario over the dead ambassador rises to a Watergate level even if Obama is linked to it, there is still going to be bad blood whipped into a frenzy in the new Congress. This is a big stick to wave for the defeated Republicans.


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  • Insight

    "At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? No! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with the treasures of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not, by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is this approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It can not come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time or die by suicide."

    Abraham Lincoln


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  • Insight

    Interesting article Aftershock. So many people today are happy about laws that are passed allowing new acceptance of living standards such as gay marriage. I fear for those people who have their names registered. Many other people who have an opposing view are pushing for the acceptance of Sharia using lawsuits and are gaining some footing via "equality for all beliefs".
    The oppressive rule of deceitful governing related to a person’s race, creed, or sexual orientation may result in the enslavement of the population if a radical minority group demands their autonomy be imposed upon all.


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  • Insight

    Submitted by Frank Livingston, "I suggest you watch Stephen Coughlin's presentation that brings to light how we are being moved towards a world caliphate by Obama and Clinton, run by "someone" ruling us with Shariah/Islamic law/finance. We hear nothing from the MSM! Why has Secretary of State Clinton pushed UN Resolution 16/18? Why has Obama signed it? Could the video issue be an intended spark to set off a move by our citizens to throw out our Constitution and First Amendment on free speech?

    Go to YouTube and watch Coughlin's briefing: The Organization of Islamic Cooperation and its Role in Enforcing Islamic Law. What is the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and why should you care? Watch the video and you will understand."


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Wasn't there a sinkhole meeting today and if so does anyone have info from it?


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    It is on Youtube now:

    Bayou Corne/Assumption Parish Resident Meeting November 13 th 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdZllDW6XI


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  • VanneV anne

    Russia treason: Putin approves sweeping new law
    Russian physicist Valentin Danilov was convicted of espionage in 2004
    President Vladimir Putin has signed a law redefining treason in Russia amid fears it may be used to stifle dissent.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20323547


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    White House petition for Texas independence qualifies for response

    Texas Nationalists say secession is possible as 77,000 sign petition, despite governor Rick Perry backing the union

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/13/white-house-petition-texas-independence


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  • Insight

    Just noticed while researching Chinas lawsuit demand concerning debt be paid in gold:
    50 TRILLION ZIMBABWE DOLLARS x 10 BANK NOTES + 5 CHINA YUAN CHINESE BANKNOTE UNC for sale US $15.99 free shipping.
    50 Trillion dollars for $15.99, wonder how long it will take for 50 Trillion US dollars to be worth a burger and fries.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Try this link

      CLICK>>http://www.nasdaq.com/video/video.aspx?vid=Bugs-Birds-

      Found-Inside-Drug-Company-Ameridose-517538379
      Bugs, Birds Found Inside Drug Company Ameridose
      The drug company behind the meningitis outbreak now introduces us to its sister company, Ameridose, and not necessarily in a good way. "Good Morning America" reports the FDA found bugs crawling around the drug company, and that the inspectors found corroded walls and spotted a bird near sterile products. WGGB says the company maintains that it hasn't had any contamination issues for the last six years. The company has voluntarily recalled all of its products, while the investigation continues.


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  • Insight

    From a Time magazine article:
    "That is why Iran's arriving at the threshold of nuclear weaponry is such a signal historical moment. It is not just that its President says crazy things about the Holocaust. It is that he is a fervent believer in the imminent reappearance of the 12th Imam, Shi'ism's version of the Messiah. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been reported as saying in official meetings that the end of history is only two or three years away. He reportedly told an associate that on the podium of the General Assembly, he felt a halo around him and for "those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink … as if a hand was holding them there and it opened their eyes to receive" his message. He believes that the Islamic revolution's raison d'être is to prepare the way for the messianic redemption, which in his eschatology is preceded by worldwide upheaval and chaos. How better to light the fuse for eternal bliss than with a nuclear flame?
    That will present the world with two futures. The first is Feynman's vision of human destruction on a scale never seen. The second, perhaps after one or two cities are lost with millions killed in a single day, is a radical abolition of liberal democracy as the species tries to maintain itself by reverting to strict authoritarianism–a self-imposed expulsion from the Eden of post-Enlightenment freedom.
    Can there be a third future? That will depend on whether we succeed in holding proliferation at bay."


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