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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    The IDF has begun a widespread campaign on terror sites & operatives in the #Gaza Strip, chief among them #Hamas & Islamic Jihad targets.

    https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/268722403989925888

    Israel calls up reservists, gets ready for Gaza invasion

    http://rt.com/news/hamas-military-chief-killed-684/


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      I'm totally against violence in any shape or form, but I still think Gaza is the biggest open-air prison this world has ever seen.
      :-(


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      • Sickputer

        Yes cousin, the poor souls at Gaza are truly in bad shape, but the crown for biggest open air prison might be the entire nation of Japan.

        At least some of the Japanese can escape…the Gaza citizens are pretty well stuck between a rock (Hamas) and a hard place (Israel).

        Interesting 33 minute documentary here about the life and death struggle to survive in Gaza:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RWJFC98jPrQ

        Drug use by unemployed youths and depressed adults is fueled by cheap pharmaceuticals smuggled in from Egypt (mostly Tramadol manufactured in India). It reminds me of Soma in Brave New World.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Yes! BnB, that it is.


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      • Maggie123

        B&B – thanks for keeping Gaza active in our thoughts. Gaza – among all examples available from around this fractious world – exists as a specific situation, in a specific region, even within specific geopolitical boundaries – there is is, offering opportunity to heal/repair ourselves like no other. A study in contrast between what nations claim to be "all about" on behalf of humanity vs what powerful interests manage to create for a host of reasons. Anguish.


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      • Insight

        It is speople like these that are the true victims of open air prison.
        http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/SaudiArabia.htm


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          Modern slavery, eh? Mexico comes to mind, doesn't it.


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          • Insight

            Carlos Slim Helú,is a Mexican business magnate ranked as THE RICHEST PERSON IN THE WORLD in 2012.Slim has been ranked the richest person in the world since 2010. His holdings in a considerable number of Mexican companies through his conglomerate, Grupo Carso, SA de CV, have amassed interests in the fields of communications, technology, retailing, and finance. Presently he is the chairman and chief executive of telecommunications Telmex and América Móvil. His corporate holdings as of March 2012 have been estimated at US $69 billion.
            So B&B is he helping Mexicos poor?
            How about these billionaires from Mexico…
            Alberto Bailleres, $9.8 billion
            German Larrea Mota-Velasco, $7.3 billion
            Ricardo Salinas Pliego, $6.3 billion
            Jeronimo Arango, $4.3 billion
            Isaac Saba Raffoul, $2.1 billion
            Roberto Hernandez, $1.7 billion
            Emilio Azcarraga Jean, $1.6 billion
            Alfredo Harp Helu, $1.6 billion
            Lorenzo Zambrano, $1.5 billion
            The Mexican poor that enter the USA send money back to Mexico to support their families. The money they are given and also money earned is not spent back into the US economy. Does that help the Mexican families become independant in Mexico? It does not show on economic charts that the poor are elevating themselves into the middle class. Does that mean that the money sent to them is not used for education? (although through the Hope foundation if they can get into the USA they receive a free education even though american kids do not have that assistance)


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  • Insight

    Germany has made wonderful gains with energy solutions.
    Within their country they are dealing with many problems other than energy that are more difficult to solve with their brilliant, scientific minds.
    Their National Demcratic Party(NPD) "has neo-Nazis members and links with extremist groups. But legal experts warn that outlawing the NPD, described by authorities as racist, revisionist, hostile to the constitution and sympathetic to National Socialism, would be a long-winded and difficult process, and may fail.
    A previous bid to ban the NPD failed in 2003 when the Federal Constitutional Court threw out the case. The intelligence services, the court argued, had informants in the party's leadership, which meant that government agents were helping to shape the NPD's policies. That made it impossible to consider the case."
    While this is happening, a large number of muslims are voluntarily entering the German military. I have often wondered when the great war breaks out… will their allegiance be with their country or with their God?


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      "… a large number of muslims are voluntarily entering the German military."
      What are you talking about.
      Please back up your claims with numbers and sources. I live in Germany, and from all I know the Bundeswehr is struggling to recrute soldiers, may those be of Christian, Muslim, Hindu faith or just worshipping their cat.


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    Because so many here care about injustice on many levels, please consider taking a look at this petition and adding your name. The organization is faith-based, and though i am not "religious", it is one of the few groups dealing with the immorality of the US using torture, so i include them in my choice of organizations to support or to take action with. They originally formed as an affiliate of all the major faiths in the US in a counter response to try and stop W. Bush's compassionate conservatism scheme launched under the guise of empowering the less fortunate. They will not sell your name if you sign. Thanks!

    http://www.nrcat.org/torture-abroad/preventing-torture-everywhere-statement-on-opcat/sign-the-statement


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    • Maggie123

      Thank you Vic forthis specific opportunity! BTW, thank you too for earlier post on your experience with petition sites.

      I have kept active with some Care2 requests but am especially mindful to read what petition is about, and who's sponsoring it, before signing.

      So far, nothing has come my way that may be related to my email or name being shared/sold and petitions from Care2 sent to my senators, house rep, have brought acknowledgement emails.

      But as said, with Care2 and also with 'Change.org' plus any other mega-sites not dedicated to a single issue or theme – and as per your familiarity with the systems – intelligent participation in petitions is advised! :)


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    May i also add this action from the Environmental Defense Fund gathering signatures to start making BP pay their Clean Water Act fines for the last oil spill they caused in the Gulf. Making BP pay the fines they owe will help cover some of the tax payer costs of the clean up. Thx for taking a look. EDF will not sell your name, but, they will want to ask you for a donation vie email. You can immediate set the parameters of what you are willing to do or share right on the page. However, if the petition is going to Congress or the White House, the signature requirements will be your address, etc. to make sure there aren't duplications of signatures. This info will not be kept by EDF if you don't want them to have it. Again, over the years, i have pretty much vetted those organizations that protect my privacy and actually get results, and make it easy to do actions for free, i.e., not having to have a membership, though, i am. Many free action sites sell your name, but, none that i will recommend without letting you know first.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      https://secure2.edf.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=OnScreenThanks&id=2035

      BP isn't afraid of a bunch signatures. But, Congress takes note of them. They are one of our few means to try and counter corporate lobbyists by sending our own trained lobbyists with our commitment backing them. This is like playing Whack-a-Mole. Every other week, a corporation is trying to overturn the Clean Air and Water Act and any and all other environmental protection legislation. "Say NO" actions and petitions allow organizations like EDF to confront these threats openly through the process of legislation, court injunctions, and public education. The law, itself, doesn't act on its own. It requires someone to bring the infraction officially in front of a judge or legislator. This is one way to do that.


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    OccupySandy feeds FEMA workers: Government incompetence at its peak

    Residents of the region were once again out of luck over the weekend, but activists aligned with the Occupy Wall Street movement — specifically those assisting with relief efforts under the umbrella of Occupy Sandy — came to the rescue. It wasn’t the citizens of Staten Island or New Jersey that were lining up for aid, either — it was federal FEMA workers.

    https://rt.com/usa/news/fema-workers-occupy-sandy-720/

    ~Total incompetence yet again. And FEMA has the audacity to tell people to stop helping.~

    Newspaper: FEMA tells residents to stop giving out supplies after Hurricane Sandy — “Latest word from FEMA to Island: Stop”

    http://enenews.com/strange-fema-stopping-people-helping-other-need-after-hurricane-sandy-great-stepped-resident


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      WOW MaidenHeaven..wonder if those Fema workers got in trouble because of that picture? I think there are some very nice Fema workers and there are some who act like the Fema Gestapo. They do need to get there act together. They are there to help and that's it, power should not go to their heads. Unfortunately a group that should be helping has made a name for themselves and some people don't trust them.


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  • JustmeAlso

    The Real Mobile Phone Wars – DRC
    (at 12:46 radio-activity and deformed babies come into the picture)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQIsLqkuATY

    CONGO 20MILLION DIE AND THE WORLD SILENT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YPldzhAKgk


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @JustmeAlso

      I watched both videos this afternoon and sent links to people I thought might watch them. Thank you for posting these films–they haunt me. Why do we know so little of this? Where has been the MSM in telling people of the complicity of Reagan, Nixon, Clinton? There is so much violence in the world to combat. I will do my best.


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  • Insight

    Like other countries around the world Germany has positive and negative sides. Look at this overview of social issues in Germany.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_issues_in_Germany

    Research the areas before moving there.
    http://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162663914/with-a-database-germany-tracks-rise-of-neo-nazis
    "One speaker notes that there have been 180 racially motivated murders in Germany since reunification. Another participant points to intelligence statistics saying there are now 20,000 to 30,000 hardcore ultra-right militants ready to use violence at any moment."


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Bad Wiki article. Already the first sentence is wrong. The Federal Republic of Germany was founded with the declaration of the constitution on May 23rd, 1949.
      http://www.bundestag.de/kulturundgeschichte/geschichte/ausstellungen/verfassung/tafel27/index.html


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      • Insight

        The real issues in the article such as: A growing number of Germans are poor and depend on welfare, problem neighborhoods ("Problemviertel") exist in Germany, a number of German children go hungry each day blamed on the lack of jobs, low welfare payments, and parents who were drug-addicted or mentally ill,
        A growing number of Germans are functionally illiterate, functionally innumerate, or both, School violence, Political extremism, women only hold 9.2% of jobs in Germany's upper and middle management positions and the "New Underclass" of impoverished women; do you refute those also? If so, please enlighten us.


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          Lol, the "enlightening" part I'll leave to you – that seems to be your job :-)
          Of course Germany has social / economic / racist / ______ (fill in blank) issues – what did you think?? Every nation has them, that's nothing to be more concerned about here than in, say, the USA. Or France. Or Russia.

          If your broad-brush muslim-bashing now evolves into general German-bashing, just keep it coming. It doesn't hurt me, you know? I'm a citizen of this world, accidently born just here.

          But make sure you get your sources right.


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          • Insight

            When does stating facts become unacceptable? When is Truth not allowed to be discussed? When is research labeled as bashing?
            You are avoiding factual information that supports your views.
            Since I am unable to find any either, I can not back what you say and just accept that is your mentality.


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          • Radio VicFromOregon

            BnB, just dropping in for a quick look at the headlines and a few posts and saw this. I just couldn't let it go. Folks, Germany, single, to all the nations involved in WWII, publicly and with deep commitment in every institutional sphere of their society, looked at all their actions and choices that led up to their militarism and the Holocaust both. Rwanda is the only other country i know of who has done this. The point of this ongoing process was to make sure that Germany never did such a thing again. Have they done this perfectly? Have they achieved 100% eradication of racism and bad thought? Of course not. Have they stopped this process? No. It is continuing. My guess is that people will find a lot more neo-nazi's in the good ole USA than anywhere else.


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            • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

              Hi Vic, thanks for your opinion on this. My personal feeling is that the ongoing problems with neo-nazism escpecially in the eastern part of the country arise from their youth feeling left behind. There's less jobs, less bright future for them – interestingly, a lot of young educated women move to the west and seek their chances. The men stay and "pass the blame" for their misery. To whom – the easy target, which are foreigners, as always.
              Bad living conditions create extremism – we saw it in the 1930s and see it today in Greece, where the "Golden Dawn" nazis march the streets.


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            • Insight

              "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. – Engraved on Statue of Liberty". In North America, critical criminology challenges the status quo. Huddled masses scheme to conspire against the basic principles democracy is founded upon. Minorities rage against the rich “elite” feeding tumors of envy. Sleeper-cell terrorists and gang land turfs dot the urban landscape. Government authorities estimate that there are somewhere between 9 million and 12 million illegal aliens living today in the continental United States. In reality, there is no way of knowing the precise number. There has been an increase in gang members since Obama took office many which are Illegal Drug Cartel hit men in the USA. (774,000 gang members and 27,900 gangs active in the US.
              http://crimeinamerica.net/category/gangs/Crime News)

              As the saying goes, if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Americans need to be armed because of their open arms policy of accepting criminals from all over the globe into the country.


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              • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                "Minorities feeding tumors of envy"
                "Illegal aliens"
                "Americans need to be armed"

                If you're not from a native American tribe, your ancestors once were "illegal aliens", too…..

                Your posts exhale so much fear, intolerance, narrow-mindedness and (sorry) so little education apart from fringe websites and youtube channels, I'll try to stop reacting to them. It's getting boring.

                Good luck. Maybe you'll find someone who'll be impressed by your brilliance.


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                • Insight

                  Bread and Butter you don't surprise me.
                  The United States is a melting pot composed of members from all over the planet. Why imply I am not aware of that?
                  You ride your ego so hard it makes your heart race. You take posts personally when they are not about you.
                  My posts are attempting to make people aware of what is going on in the world. If shocking people out of their comfort zone occurs then they needed the wake up call.
                  A world war is about to erupt. Are people prepared? They should at least know what is going on that will affect every aspect of their future whether they are "impressed" by the information or not.


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          • richard richard

            hi B&B. I once signed into to a nuke facility and under the heading of 'nationality' i wrote 'Earthling'.

            About an hour later security caught up with me and forced me to make the alteration to my country of birth. They weren't happy for some reason ;)

            Howdy, fellow world citizen.


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            America is a melting pot of races..
            Poverty..although higher in minorities..does not mean a'non-minority'..(how's that for a term?)..won't try and harm you in the same situation.


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      • Insight

        B&B you are right about the final signing date into law.
        The wiki source must have referenced that the foundation was laid in 1948 when the Grundgesetz draft was prepared.
        Between February and the June 1948 a common conference of the three western occupying powers (USA, United Kingdom, France) and the three Western neighbours of Germany (Netherlands, Belgium,
        Luxembourg) was debating the political future of the three western occupation zones of Germany.
        The negotiations ended with the conclusion, that a democratic and federal West German state was to be established. The Federal Republic of Germany was founded with the declaration of the constitution on May 23rd, 1949.


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Russia to issue tough response to US Magnitsky act – Foreign Ministry

      The Russian Foreign Ministry on Thursday warned it would give a “tough response” to the possible adoption of the so-called Magnitsky Act in the US. “We will certainly not leave without consequences an anti-Russian, in fact, initiative on imposing visa and financial sanctions against our country,” Interfax quoted the ministry’s spokesman Aleksandr Lukashevich as saying. The act could be adopted by the US lawmakers simultaneously with the cancellation of the Jackson-Vanik Amendment. “We will have to respond, and our response will be tough,” Lukashevich stressed. He added that Moscow’s reaction would depend on how “this unfriendly and provocative act” would look in the end.

      http://rt.com/news/line/2012-11-15/#id40493


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    • Insight

      The article says.."the law is needed to help prevent foreign governments using organisations in Russia to gather state secrets." This was inacted to prevent the USA from spying.
      That is the same USA that has new laws that Obama put in place to arrest american citizens without having to tell them why, imprison them indefinately without a lawyer or trial and kill them.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    'We have no future!' EU anger unites millions in protest (PHOTOS, VIDEO)

    http://rt.com/news/austerity-protests-eu-solidarity-727/


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Following on from the recent conversation of chemtrails and toilet content, Can a chemtrail experience constipation? One of them has a bit of problem or is it a looong flush gone wrong? (a toilet seat was not included in the expelled content!)
    WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtPw9RXlFr0
    Spread it like at maximum capacity!
    The music is worthwhile listening, it cracked me up :D


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Report: BP agrees to pay billions for 2010 Gulf oil spill

    http://theadvocate.com/home/4439281-125/report-bp-agrees-to-pay

    A little..kissy-kissy money.
    money the victims will never see.


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  • arclight arclight

    Mr Reid confirmed several prominent people had already apologised, including Monbiot who said: "I'm feeling worse about this than about anything else I have ever done – though I realise that is as nothing by comparison to what you have gone through with the help of my stupidity and thoughtlessness."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20336037

    methinks lord mac alpine does protest to much!

    he is gatting loads of articles from the bbc EVEN though they didnt mention his name?
    they are b;aming the bloggers that were asking the questions thatthe bbc didnt ask.. also, while the bbc is in full propoganda mode they misssed this

    British govt files charges against nuclear waste plant owners

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-govt-files-charges-against-nuclear-waste-plant-163700107–sector.html

    paedophiles AND the people who have covered it up are prone to using the legal system to stop onliine "illegal thoughts" this happened to bloggers in jersey islands tax haven..

    the uk is not doing a full investigation on all connected paedophilea

    i think macalpine is covering for the nucleats and paedophiles or he would have backed off.

    Asked if his reputation could ever be restored he said: "No, it can't be repaired…. This is the legacy that sadly the BBC have left me with."

    hes getting loads of air time

    hes become suspect imo.. i didnt originally think he was a candidate.. but now i am wondering..??


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    • arclight arclight

      so from the bbc article

      ""I was in southern Italy. I don't have television, I don't get newspapers, we don't have the internet. To suddenly find I was mixed up in all this, and I didn't know what Newsnight was going to say, it really was a horrendous shock.""

      according to him he was "named" as a paedophile? so NONE of his friends, family or colleagues bothered to conract him?? according to his own words

      "They could have saved themselves a lot of agonising and money, actually, if they'd just made that telephone call."

      He said "there is nothing as bad as this that you can do to people" as accusing them of being a paedophile..

      hes using this so his tory paedo friends will not be named on the MSM.. therefore making any victims wonder if its woth the bother

      nice one you dickhead.. (mac alpine) advised by WPP?


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  • arclight arclight

    An Iranian lawmaker says the United States’ reelection to membership of the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) will result in discriminatory treatment of human rights issues.

    “Iran believes that the United States is not qualified to join this council,” Hadi Shoushtari, head of Iran parliament (Majlis) Human Rights Subcommittee, said on Wednesday.

    He went on to say that, the United Nations Human Rights Council should be managed by a group of countries that respect the rights of citizens all over the world.

    On November 12, the United States was reelected to join the UN Human Rights Council for a period of three years beginning January 1, 2013.

    The Iranian lawmaker said US intervention in various countries' affairs has only led to genocide, bombing, mass murder and other examples of human rights violations.

    Shoushtari further noted that manipulation of the UNHRC by some countries is one of the biggest weaknesses of the council.

    On November 10, Iran's Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast called on the UN members to oppose Washington's membership in the UNHRC.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/15/272444/us-will-bring-discrimination-to-unhrc/

    remember that congress hasnt ratified the human rights article for children?> the only country not too! this effects activists in japan imo

    Hippocracy ??


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    • arclight arclight

      this wasnt brought up by the bbc either though there are lots of gushing and apologetic mac alpine stories..


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      • JustmeAlso

        gotta love the bbc as a victim of child abuse with the Stockholm syndrome.


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        • arclight arclight

          hi justmealso
          the offender becomes victim ..
          true but i think in this case the denier helps the offenders.. including the right honourable sir robert.. and they know this too!

          the legal system is responsible for enabling this deception imo and there are victims and offenders there too …

          looking around the bbc site it is amazing to see how many stories they are NOT reporting or stories that they only half report..

          press tv is good but biased.. but they are doing the proper investigative reporting not done by western journalists.. even chunky mark knows a baby died.. according to the bbc all people will know is that 2 rockets got past the "shield" with no injuries..

          the bbc is aiding child abuse and murder just as they have been accused of it..

          and NO mention of human rights issues for children either

          http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/14/asean-deeply-flawed-human-rights-declaration-effects-japans-human-rights-petitions/

          maybe sir robert and friends likes just killing children -legally??

          what a bloomin world
          peace


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          • arclight arclight

            meant the victim becomes the offender.. though maybe with the bbc`s and sir roberts legal team the original offender becomes victim is right..??

            ho hum??


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            • JustmeAlso

              Arc, it is so easy to say victims become abusers. Well, i
              can say i am abused but NEVER had the idea to abuse!!!

              do not touch my kids for i will go berserk!!!


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              • arclight arclight

                i didnt mean to generalise.. sorry
                to clarify
                victims offer great support networks but there a small percentage that go on to abuse..

                i was thinking of a case in kent where one of jimmy savilles victims was procuring children for the city, media etc.. he was killed and the investigation stopped.. an english mp has asked for paedophile cases in kent to be re-examined.. the local press is supportive of the police ..

                we can learn by the harshness that comes our way or be drawn into it..

                and you have my compassion for your experience.
                thanks for getting me to clarify an important point..
                thats why i love enenews

                peace light and love to you and yours justmealso


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                • JustmeAlso

                  Arc, I do know of people who have been abused and who started to abuse when their adult age was reached. But, as you say, not everyone is the same.

                  I want to hang the people i know who abuse up into the highest tree for all to see, so to speak..
                  If only the Dutch police would take my info serious..
                  which they don't..


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        • JustmeAlso

          Who cares about any victims
          (with Stockholm syndrome)… The abusers are more important for the news to focus on..


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          • arclight arclight

            wish we could get more balanced news.. unaffected by the rich peoples lawyers.. might be able to have proper conversations and discussions concerning the whole area.. but as long as the lawyers and their form of "justice" abounds, sex crimes and child abuse issues in society will never be addressed.. imho
            peace


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    • Insight

      Arclight are you aware of this information which defines Irans views of human rights of children?
      http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/547/An estimated 95,000 Iranian child soldiers were made casualties during the Iran–Iraq War.
      "The Iran Iraq confilct spawned a particularly gruesome variant of the "Human Wave" attack. Pasdaran forces and Basij volunteers as young as 9 years old were used to sweep over over minefields and entrenched positions developed by the more professional Iraqi military opposition. The Iranians lacked the equipment to breach Iraqi minefields and were not willing to risk their small tank force. Therefore unarmed human-wave tatics, often involving children who were apparently considered expendable, were employed. One East European journalist reports seeing "tens of thousands of children, roped together in groups of about 20 to prevent the faint-hearted from deserting, make such an attack." It has been suggested that girls were more commonly used for frontline mine clearance, and boys for unarmed "assaults". The children were reportedly issued with a special "Paradise Key" as a symbol of martyrdom by the Mullahs."


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      • arclight arclight

        95,000 Iranian child soldiers were made casualties during the Iran–Iraq War.

        my dad bribed a college in the uk to not send him to that war… he was an iranian coptic christian.. it delayed the uk home office orders to send 16 year olds to fight the war.. you had to resort to bribery to be able to stay in the uk.. many 16 year old iranians and iraqis living in the uk were sent to their deaths.. my friend was sent there after 2 years college.. not heard from him since :(
        CRIN have a report on iran too

        but thousands of children roped together crossing a minefield may have been exaggerated or out right propoganda.. those soldiers (conscripts) have children and their religion forbids certain behaviours..

        the iranian army started them at 16 and that was the arrangement for the uk and iran at the time 1980`s

        i am sure there were crimes but on both sides backed by the usa and uk.. also both sides.. the politics was complicated
        lots of 16+ died though on both sides…


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        • arclight arclight

          file not found on your link


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        • Insight

          My sympathy to you for the loss of your friend, Arclight.
          I hate war. My fondest wish is that the world live in peace with considerate friendship, compassion and co-operation among all. The information posted was from more than one source. Everyone depends on "reporters" for facts and events in life and attempting to discern fact from fiction is not an easy task. I am always accepting of correction if news I have found is inacurate. Some societies are taught to believe it is acceptable to lie if it supports their belief system so the usefulness of their statements must be measured with that in mind. Searching for the truth in life is difficult as the cause and effect relationship that exists with reporting is often tainted by the perspective of the reporter. Here is the crimes of war link, a sad treatise of history ….
          http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/547/


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  • arclight arclight

    One may assume that raising a Down syndrome child is a heavy burden that may be unendurable, but in a survey of 2,044 parents or guardians of children with Down syndrome, 79% said their outlook on life was more positive because of their child. Well, you may ask, “How do these children feel when they grow up and have to face life?” The same research conducted by Children’s Hospital Boston found that 99% of adults with Down syndrome surveyed said they were happy with their lives; 97% liked who they are; and 96% liked how they looked.

    However, as the director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania commented, “…[due to] the fact that ours is a society obsessed with perfection in ourselves and our offspring and, the climate for having kids with Down syndrome, happy though they may be, is not good.”

    http://japandailypress.com/japan-medical-profession-concerned-about-slippery-slope-of-casual-use-of-abortion-1812407

    The BBC and an insulting program on promoting eugenics during the paralympics

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/09/03/the-bbc-and-an-insulting-program-on-promoting-eugenics-during-the-paralympics/

    dang! the usa and uk luv a bit of disabled baby killing too!
    and the uk signed the childrens human rights declaration that the usa wont sign.. so no ratification.. clever
    big health corporation??

    support downs syndrome rights


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    • arclight arclight

      http://www.ourhumanrightsstories.org.uk/organisation/down%E2%80%99s-syndrome-association

      http://www.globaldownsyndrome.org/events/its-time-civil-rights-reception-and-award-ceremony/

      Down syndrome teen barred from one U.S. flight, kept isolated on second, family says
      Published on Thursday September 06, 2012

      The story demonstrates that “discrimination comes from ignorance,” said David Tolleson, executive director of the National Down Syndrome Congress.

      “They were making a judgment based on appearance and on what they thought may happen in the future rather than on factual information,” Tolleson said.

      http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1252077–down-syndrome-teen-barred-from-one-u-s-flight-kept-isolated-on-second-family-says


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    • Maggie123

      Oh Arclight – Thank you for posting on this! No one who's had experience with Downs children – or other even more extreme disabilities for that matter – can possibly hold views that would deny support for these wonderful individuals and their families. The individuals' role becomes one of 'teacher', their presence becomes gift to families and communities!

      IMO humans have a 'natural inclination' toward something that is normal and even valuable. When in balance with all our other natural, normal inclinations, it serves us – we call it "efficiency".

      But "efficiency" taken to its logical extreme conclusion would have every human being and I suppose all living creatures become "cogs in a grand economic machine". (Commercial factory-style animal production an obvious example.)

      I think it's this "unaware, unexamined" "thing" about "pursuing efficiency" that causes people to eventually lose their humanity. By the time we've reached "maximum efficiency", we've created a monster and are a part of it ourselves.

      ("Vulture capitalism practices – profit at all costs, etc is also driven by the "efficiency thing", to my observation.)


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      • arclight arclight

        hi maggie
        The individuals' role becomes one of 'teacher', their presence becomes gift to families and communities!

        exatly

        the scientists would say that they need to be exterminated from the gene pool but when we look at groups of humans it is effecient to have different types of thinkers.. evwn radical type thinkers as we can get a better overall picture of a situation.. but the world lacks good fascilitators to put these minds and ideas together to formulate efficient and meanful objectives..
        hope it changes
        peace


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        • Maggie123

          Your post not only reminded me of knowing of Downs children, but also of the amazing beautiful ways my and other classrooms were graced and enhanced by inclusion of extremely disabled children. Young students, with little fuss and much 'natural acceptance' shared space and activities with a wheel-chair bound severely brain damaged child.

          The disabled child of course had individualized "learning outcomes" and program design but so did each other child in many respects, including extreme high achievers.

          Opportunities to learn/practice compassion and patience in a 'naturally unfolding' way was ever-present, for adults too! Overall and importantly, children witnessed "full acceptance" of each individual – which has a significant impact on general "felt" trust of humanity and human community possibilities. This is deep learning – and trust in community frees mind/body from anxiety, releasing creativity and capacity to learn! (This was a high needs school – there were plenty of students attending with 'anxiety/trust' issues.)

          I'm afraid that just as broader society may have people who are impatient with needs of disabled, I am sometimes impatient with an attitude that says: "Get out of the way, I'm busy here pursuing my personal success."


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          • Radio VicFromOregon

            Wow to your efficiency theory and to your classroom! Just stopped by but had to respond to a few posts here and there. I just can't seem to help myself. Anyway, i got the other garden box built today, chicken wire laid and transferred half the wet soggy dirt, though it is a little drier for no rain in 2 days! Thinking of using your idea about laying the wire in half, in the first box, then shoveling/raking pile to that side, finishing the wire on the empty space, then shoveling/raking to both. Rains begin again Sat for a week at least. I can hardly move, but, thanks for your idea M123. Oh, i am amending the soil with more peat and compost/sand mix while i'm at it to thin out this clay some more. Did you get your heat thing worked out, maximizing the energy?


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            • Maggie123

              Vic I can relate to the work – but think it worth while. Really disappointing to go out in morning and find lovely 6" young bean plants have completely disappeared, pulled down into ground! (I only had to experience that 1x!) :)


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        • Maggie123

          Arc re "when we look at groups of humans it is effecient to have different types of thinkers.. evwn radical type thinkers as we can get a better overall picture of a situation.."

          I like this – turns concept of "efficiency" in a whole new direction. I think I was using it in a 'linear' way – as in obsession develops to follow "shortest path between two points". This puts emphasis on "time is money" – encourages disregard of "externalized" costs such as presently practiced by fossil fuel industry and nuke too – disregard of any 'costs' that don't lead by straightest path to proposed profit.

          By thinking of "efficiency" in a non-linear way, (global? – not sure what vocab would be used in examination of a non-linear approach) .. anyway, thinking of non-linear efficiency, the definition 'disallows' a goal that does not value previously under or unvalued parts, because these enrich the whole. In the very long and important run, we need definition of "efficiency" that serves to sustain life and earth!

          Close to too tangly for my brain which is flipping – like brains do when looking at an "is it a vase or two faces" image. Possibly not 'new' thinking to people engaged in study of "dynamic interactive systems", but I really like shifting what we mean by 'efficiency'. Now – as you say – we need brain work that guides us in this new direction! :)


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          • Maggie123

            Also – the value and meaning of your thoughts is proven repeatedly here at ENE – different points of view, different understandings, communication that challenges, supports, and builds … !!:)


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            • arclight arclight

              hi maggie
              the forum is a good place to trade ideas.. and we can all find our solutions if the ideas are laid out before us..
              thats why censorship for any reason is wrong and dangerous for society.. youve left me some stuff to chew over .. time for sleep!
              just had my email jammed again, and some wierd stuff that stopped me posting on nuclear-news.net
              christina has sorted a work through but it looks like someone has jammed me out there too!
              of course i am to knackered to post tonight and i have to access the posting page via another route..
              hope it still works tommorrow
              gnight maddie
              great views and comments,, as always
              take care


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @JustmeAlso

      They have been watching television too much. More than an hour a day is far too much. All TV has been corrupted to show gratuitous sex and gore/violence and every year they show it earlier and earlier when small children are still up (not that it is useful for anyone). Also, TV furnishes more propaganda than most people can figure out. I say turn it off.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Great! Thx for posting 16Penny. That's the fines and fees. Now for the accountability part? BP should be banned from all oil ventures in US territorial waters and land for minimum of 30 years. Perhaps, as well, is should be banned from selling any product here, too, during that period. They were intentionally lax and misleading. In my book that means they don't get to do business in the US for a set period of time – that's the punishment – and then can only return to this market after they have demonstrated via open records that they have changed their culture of disregard. Of course, such reasonable measures wold mean that American would also have to buck up, hold them BP to account and go with out the oil. Which, of course, it unlikely. So, the US once again manages to go around a glaring moral issue. Well, at least BP had to pay a fine. I wonder how long they have to pay it?


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      • richard richard

        yeah, I guess the people that BP KILLED wont be doing any business in the usa for 30 years plus.

        Where's the criminal that caused these deaths. why are they not being prosecuted and put in jail?

        They killed several people, at the very least.

        I know I never stop at a BP station anymore. haven't since GOM.


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Cuz we are addicted to that gooey itcky substance. So, we're gonna let you kill just so many of us, destroy a substantial part of our environment and livelihoods, get a few underlings to take the blame for following corporate requests just to show that we have a judicial arm, and spend hundreds of thousands trying to get you to pay a couple billion, but, paaleeeze!!! keep that oil coming. These are legit businesses, right? We wouldn't want to confuse them with gangster racketeering or anything. I am glad for the fines to be paid. But, i recoil at the message the US has once again sent out to all who would do as BP did – if you are rich enough and useful enough, we will forgive you anything. BP certainly lacks a moral base. But, i think we are seeing that the US is right beside them.


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          • richard richard

            Nice Vic. It's true what you say, then we hit your last sentence and it brings it home.


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          • Maggie123

            I hope Obama, now that he's 'secured his position,' will finally open his brain to the reality of an earth rapidly being poisoned to "unable to sustain life as we know it" condition. He's about to meet (not sure when but 'immediately') with climate people. I think that *he* thinks the solution will need to "balance" industrial status-quo wishes with "serious climate issues".

            But he's not stupid, and he does have young children, a reality which I am certain will weigh on his thoughts re earth conditions. I hope when he gets the real scoop he'll realize how precarious things are.

            IF the science community does not press its case, including on nuclear, a 'stop and try to turn around' moment will be lost. And it sure seems to me we only have this one moment.


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            • Maggie123

              We public also need to press the case. Phone calls and emails to Washington by individuals, petitions, rallys, renewed efforts to encourage neighbors who seem disinterested to become alert, etc. Today I wrote White house message and senator/house message ph. numbers on an ever-handy card. I plan to make a nuisance of myself, or at least to weigh in several times.)


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            • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

              @Maggie123

              "But he's not stupid, and he does have young children, a reality which I am certain will weigh on his thoughts re earth conditions…"

              IMHO I find it extremely hard to believe the man was ever a constitutional scholar! Just take a look at his Executive Orders and go figure. Where would his children be in all that???? Not where ours are, I'm sure.


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @VicFromOregon

        Totally agree. The same could also apply to Nuclear Power in the U.S.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Fox Affiliate In Denver Actually Confirms UFO Sighting Above The City

    w/video

    http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-ufo-flying-above-denver-2012-11


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      hmmm….that's a keeper, Jebus. If not a model radio controlled flyer, which shouldn't be visible from the distance the fellow claims, though it's impossible to tell size and distance from both the fellow and Fox's tapes, then the next question for me is – ours or theirs?


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    A call out for peace, stop the fighting, I don't care who is right, only peace can protect the children.


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Israel Declares War On Hamas Via Twitter, Hamas Responds Via Twitter, Welcome to 2012

    http://current.com/technology/93963039_israel-declares-war-on-hamas-via-twitter-hamas-responds-via-twitter-welcome-to-2012.htm

    I hope they stop bombing each other and just have war on twitter :(


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  • arclight arclight

    There is no military rationale to this offensive- Israel's first target, Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari, , was hardly israel's no.1 enemy. Quite the opposite in fact, Jabril was instrumental in enforcing the truce between Israel and Gaza's armed factions, indirectly coordinating the ceasefire with Israel and Egypt.
    Other early casualties of Israel's onslaught include an 11 month old baby (the son of a Gazan BBC correspondent). The world's largest open air prison is once again has become hostage to the whims of Israeli electoral cycles.

    Despite the Arab Spring and the supposed democratisation of much of the Arab world, Middle-Eastern leaders have so far been content to express their displeasure at the IDF's actions with tough talk and no action. But even as governments are willing to stand by and watch Gaza burn, the same isn't true of conscientious people across the globe.

    http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/Gaza-into-the-Abyss/

    so to confirm..
    an 11 month olf baby belonging to a BBC correspondent dies under isreali fire and the BBC cant talk about it in case the isrealis sue them?? like macalpine did (185,000 pounds sterling out of the tax payers, macalpine should have been a banker instead of a wanker)


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    • richard richard

      thanks arc. "The world's largest open air prison".

      i'm not going to bite in too much here.. i know this isn't a political forum. but that line says it all. i support anyone for trying to fight their way out of that, with whatever means come to hand. the situation is so wrong, so evil, so wrong.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @arclight

      Can there be anyone left who supports Israel? What insanity.


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      • VanneV anne

        Pres. Obama supports Israel and he was just elected by a majority of Americans. There are no winners in any war. And there are atrocities committed by both sides. War is hell. Gaza is hardly isolated. They share a border with Egypt.


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      • VanneV anne

        There are 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide, and the population of Israel is less then 8 million. I don't believe in genocide of the people of Israel. There isn't even any oil in Israel. And the Jews bought the land. Non-Muslims will never tolerate Muslim attacks on Israel. If there are 1.6 billion Muslims, there are over 7 billion people worldwide. and is anyone really condoning the attempts of Hamas to bomb the nuclear power plant at Dimona. The whole world will suffer if that happens. Propaganda and scapegoating are one of the saddest examples of the evil of humanity.


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  • VanneV anne

    Grassroots: After GMO Labeling Shot Down, Citizens Start Labeling Themselves

    http://naturalsociety.com/gmo-labeling-shot-down-citizens-labeling/


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  • VanneV anne

    Genetically Modified Tofu
    “One issue is that even when you purchase organic soybeans a portion of them might still be genetically modified. Sometimes the issue arises from the supplier of the actual beans to plant soybeans. Other times it comes from organic farms being very close in proximity to non organic farms and then there’s cross contamination….According to Nasoya’s website their tofu is organic but they explain that they get beans from all over the world….”
    http://vegetarilin.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/genetically-modified-tofu/


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  • Maggie123

    NNU – "off topic non-nuclear". A lot of pipeline stuff shows up here. And there's nothing to apologize for – I've had to 'control' my replies within threads of specific article posts because I tend to see relevance of everything to everything else – not everyone does! Sometimes I re-read article title, and notice previous posts if any. Often discussion is of a "technical, problem solving" style – with members posting facts, data, speculation and challenges fairly specific to questions raised by an event or report – that's considered "on topic". I tend to wax philosophical and sociological and that is often off-topic.

    Maybe of interes – "thinking styles". If I hadn't been a teacher, I might never have come across this, but it holds up (at least in a general way). Link to one kind of "thinking style" assessment: http://www.thelearningweb.net/personalthink.html.

    I didn't take the test tonight but have taken this particular analysis other before. Times past at least, I've fit the category: 'random abstract'. My thinking style can drive people using 'concrete sequential' nuts – or at least make me sound incomprehensible to them.

    I've noticed that depending on task on hand, I'll use different styles, may shift from one to another. I think many do this. But 'dominant style' really influences how we process/communicate information. Interesting and sometimes good to keep in mind. (more…)


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  • Maggie123

    Was going to also say – there are often brief 'off topic' comments scattered under specific titles. People usually aren't' bothered unless/until more people chime in and suddenly a new lengthy discussion is 'smack in middle of' what had been a fairly focused, topic-specific, exchange.

    A bunch of us (definitely me) were beginning to launch "spin off" discussions that we should have shifted to 'off topic non-nuclear'. We're trying to be more careful. What I've tried to do now is post briefly that I'm shifting my comment/reply to off-topic forum, or something like that. We've caused less frustration for others since we tried to clean up our posting practices on the 'topic' issue.

    Some of us have noticed a few large discussion themes that don't have their own forum page. We've had some thoughts about that – and are working on some ideas. We are trying to keep Admin's original intent in mind, and are mindful that Admin is one person, likely with a 'whole other life' aside from keeping ENE well functioning.

    Mostly for my 'add on' remarks I wanted to give you some back-ground on the off/on topic issue, and thought the 'thinking styles' might interest you or others too.

    Should say re 'thinking styles'. There are other "information processing" style descriptions and 'tests' developed by others. All of them are pretty interesting and each offers insights.

    Late here – signing off! :)


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    • Maggie123

      BTW – just took closer look at 'thinking style' quiz linked above. Like most or all on-line 'test yourself' quizzes it's super-stripped-down. The tests for these categories I've taken were much more involved so it's good always to keep in mind that these 'freebies' are grossly over-simplified. Still, they at least alert us to the very concept of different styles of thinking that we and others use! :)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Lifestyles of the top brass.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=49849013&#49849013

    No wonder..they don't see the SOS flag of the People


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  • arclight arclight

    Breaking! Nobel laureates slam the US over Bradley Manning case -RT
    “As people who have worked for decades against the increased militarization of societies and for international cooperation to end war, we are deeply dismayed by the treatment of Pfc Bradley Manning,”

    Published: 16 November, 2012, 21:07

    RT

    Leaders of the United States have insulted the intelligence of the rest of the world, three Nobel laureates write this week, because of their continuously perverse mishandling of the case against accused WikiLeaks source Pfc Bradley Manning.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/16/breaking-nobel-laureates-slam-the-us-over-bradley-manning-case-rt/

    USA Ploughshares -Sid Drell on the Logic of Nuclear Zero

    Here at FAS, the first organization organized after Hiroshima and Nagasaki to address the grave new challenge to civilization posed by nuclear weapons, I call on my colleagues in the science and technology community to meet this challenge, and work to disarm the skeptics and cynics who dismiss zero as an unrealistic unachievable goal.

    Recall the wisdom of Austrian philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer who said: “All truth passes through three stages:

    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed;
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/16/usa-ploughshares-sid-drell-on-the-logic-of-nuclear-zero/


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  • VanneV anne

    Maker of Airport Body Scanners Suspected of Falsifying Software Tests
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/rapiscan-fraudulent-tests/


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  • VanneV anne

    Antibiotics resistance growing at 'alarming' rate
    More people could die from routine medical procedures as antibiotics lose their effectiveness, health chief warns
    “Patients need to stop using antibiotics to tackle mild infections, she says, adding: ‘Antibiotics are losing their effectiveness at a rate that is alarming and irreversible – similar to global warming.’…"
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/16/antibiotics-resistance-growing-alarming-rate


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Nation uninterested in anything. All they are concerned is 'I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!' Watch and hear the guy :(
    This is for voting but you might as well swap the word to nuclear related words such as 'disaster' 'wastes management' 'decommissioning' 'new facility' etc
    They would likely to say, 'I didn't know radiation and flouride were included in our tap water.' Yes, Milton Keynes tap water includes flouride.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20368329


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    • Maggie123

      Good article Richard! Very informative on many counts.

      I like this:
      "Resolving uncertainty is essential to our survival. Hence our fear of ambiguous situations is palpable — e.g., the inability to resolve sensory conflict between the eyes and ears can result in nausea (like sea sickness). And yet it is only by embracing the unknown within education, science, art and most importantly within our own private lives will we find new routes to more enlightened ways of seeing and being. Thus, courage not confidence is at the heart of this process of actively redefining normality, which is the route to compassion and creativity."


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @Insight

        I'm not sure when this was published. However:

        "All particles in the universe can be divided into two types: bosons and fermions"

        I believe scientists cast serious doubt today on the boson.


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    • Maggie123

      kalidances – see ENE right hand column, near bottom is a "submit news tips box". I've not used it but suspect Admin finds tips more easily and quickly when they're brought to attn via the 'submit box'.

      A while back Admin posted a note can't recall where but mentioned is inundated with what we send for Admin response, including misc. and complaints. My guess is the submit box could help as it's for a specific purpose?


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    kd, Admin is still dealing with the aftermath of Sandy. So, good of you to post this for us. Thx!


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  • Sickputer

    Israelis hitting Gaza hard tonight with air attacks… Nearly 200 rockets fired by Hamas has provoked the Israeli response. Egyptians aren't expected to interfere. Probably realize they aren't in any position to face off against the potent Israeli military.

    Bad news for civilians on both sides, but especially for the Palestinians.

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/israel-prepares-to-invade-gaza-after-rocket-strikes-jerusalem-293445


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  • VanneV anne

    Utah Oil Sands Project Can Proceed Without Pollution Permit, Water Monitoring
    Decision by officials sets the stage for a possible court battle over the nation's first tar sands mine in Utah's fragile Book Cliffs region.
    Oct 25, 2012
    http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20121024/tar-sands-oil-sands-eastern-utah-mine-pr-springs-bitumen-drinking-water-drought-limonene


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  • Jebus Jebus

    I don't know where to put this!
    Fracking for GeoThermal?
    Who da thought?
    Mini earthquakes a mile down…
    Must be good?

    Scientists At Central Oregon Geothermal Site Record Dozens Of 'Mini-Earthquakes'

    Scientists with Newberry Geothermal say they've recorded a few dozen mini-earthquakes over the last month at their project in Central Oregon. Backers of the project say those tiny quakes are actually a good sign.

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/scientists-at-central-oregon-geothermal-site-record-dozens-of-mini-earthquakes/


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Thx, Jebus. Well, this is going to raise some eyebrows here in the rest of Oregon, not to mention Bend. Geothermal in Oregon was suppose to tap into, not break into volcanic thermals, so folks are going to have to do the physics on this and see if some agitating has to happen. Anybody mention methane ice layer melting to them? Sheesh!


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  • Maggie123

    Music recommendation – passing along Arc's link – may interest more ENEers!


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  • arclight arclight

    Rockets landing in Israel's Eshkol fired from Sinai: reports

    The rockets that hit the Eshkol regional council in the northwestern Negev have been fired from Sinai Desert in Egypt, reports say.

    An Israeli army official said the regime launched an investigation into the possibility of rockets being fired from Egypt toward the occupied lands.

    Israel suspects that the rockets that hit Eshkol late on Friday were fired from Sinai.

    On Wednesday, four rockets landed in an Israeli settlement located near the Egyptian border.

    Egyptian newspaper Al-Shorouk reported Friday that an Egyptian militant group in Sinai Peninsula has claimed responsibility for the launching of the rockets.

    “The rockets were launched from the northern part of Sinai,” the newspaper said.

    It added that the group also released a video clip showing “that the rockets were fired from 107-millimeter rocket launchers.”

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/17/272802/rockets-from-egypt-hit-israels-eshkol/

    Tunisian Foreign Minister Rafik Abdessalem arrived in the Gaza Strip on Saturday to express solidarity with Palestinians

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/17/272770/hamas-official-home-destroyed-in-attack/

    "The dominant world powers are now making the Gaza people and fighters pay, and as the Republic of Turkey we are with our brothers in Gaza and their just cause," Erdogan added.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/17/272814/israel-fabricated-gaza-war-reasons/


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  • Insight

    Take a look at this website.
    On the left side there is a Live update…posts from people in the regions of Gaza and Israel.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20375095


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    First Aid Kit – Universal Soldier

    CLICK>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4Srr3wiWQ

    Love & Peace For The Children


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  • VanneV anne

    The proxy war between the US and Russia is escalating:

    Obama administration condemns Hamas rocket fire, backs Israel’s right to self-defense
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-condemns-hamas-rocket-fire-backs-israels-right-to-self-defense/2012/11/14/19a453ee-2ea2-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html


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