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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Not all Jewish agrees with Israel.
    "UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8


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    • VanneV anne

      The video you posted is from 2009. That does not address all the attcks by rockets from Gaza this month.


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      • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

        That's not the point. All I am saying is that "Not all Jewish agrees with Israel." even back in 2009!


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      • kez

        @Anne

        So when to compromise.

        When to put arms down and actually work towards peace.

        So be it .. by all means let the nation with the superior war machine win. Why not just nuke the shit out of Gaza/Palestinians RIGHT NOW.

        BOOM .. just like Japan .. GAME OVER!!

        Just like the US precedent set. Or perhaps better yet .. Israel should use so much DU that the Palestinians die a slower more agonizing death .. just like the US did in Iraq.

        It's a ridiculous blame game the world plays IMO.

        Oh .. I forgot .. you preach to be antinuke .. but this rhetoric races towards it.

        This standoff is hopeless until a line is drawn that no one wins.

        RESTART!

        It'll never happen tho. One side must anihilate the other. One side must win at the destruction of the other.

        It will only escalate. It will be nukes. We will al suffer because of it.


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        • VanneV anne

          No one is using nuclear arms. No one is going to nuke their nest door neighbor. And I am no one, and no one listens to me. I am a pacifist myself. I voted for the pacifist Green candidate Jill Stein. On the other hand, if a country keeps attacking another one, they have to expect retaliation. I think that the US is giving a great deal of foreign aid to Palestine and to Egypt. Does anyone really want that to stop?


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        • VanneV anne

          US Foreign Aid to the Palestinians
          “Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the
          mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed over $4 billion in bilateral assistance to the
          Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid.
          Successive Administrations have requested aid for the Palestinians to support at least three major
          “U.S. policy priorities of interest to Congress:
          Combating, neutralizing, and preventing terrorism against Israel from the
          Islamist group Hamas and other militant organizations.
          Creating a virtuous cycle of stability and prosperity in the West Bank that
          inclines Palestinians toward peaceful coexistence with Israel and prepares them
          for self-governance.
          Meeting humanitarian needs and preventing further destabilization, particularly
          in the Gaza Strip…”
          http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf


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          • VanneV anne

            I'm not allowed to express my views on this website because those views as a Christian have been banned.


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            • Anthony Anthony

              There is a lot more I respect about you beyond your religion anne. Keep on truckin lady!


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              • VanneV anne

                TY, Anthony. I mainly just try to provide information from news stories and scientific articles. Except when it comes to criticizing the nuclear industry and fracking and other killing technologies. Also, I find prejudice and propaganda and lack of knowledge quite frightening.


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            • Maggie123

              Anne – Thank you for your passion. Your contributions here are immense, your energy and focus is humbling to someone like me. You recently posted a more full description of your thoughts (abbreviated above) on your pacifism, and Green Party commitment.

              Your longer post was in another of our strings on the Israeli/Palestinian agony – only days ago! When I read your post, and thought of posts on the topic by others, I thought how wonderful it might be, to gather a collection of ENEers, fly us to the embattled region, and let us take our debate to those making the decisions! So often the real people on the ground, and the compassionate people watching, are not invited to do the problem solving.

              There are activist groups of Israeli/Palestinians who work together – they are not, of course, put in charge of peace-making If they were …


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            • kez

              @Anne

              If you have a philosphical view that encompasses a broad acceptance of all .. I am sure it would be tolerated here in spite of any religious discussion ban.

              If your Christianity excludes and condemns any not to your view it is best that it not be contentious here.

              After all .. it is well known that Hitler professed to be a Christian.

              The Jesus I learned about professed peace tolerance turning the other cheek when offended forgiveness .. can't see how any of those traits would be banned here.


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            • JHewes76 JHewes76

              I don't see what ones religion has to do with anything; as long as that person is not preaching hate, or try to give the impression they speak for all of us.

              I appreciate your posts, and look forward to reading them ;)


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            • richard richard

              hi anne. with all due respect, it's not simply Christianity that is banned, it's all religions. Generally because one persons view of religion could very well in conflict with someone elses views.

              personally, and i'm not trying to offend, but i don't ever want to hear your views on Christianinty or someone elses view on being muslim.

              i'm not going to bore you repeating why these things can cause offense, but i will repeat that if someone cares to go evangilist then it's approximating spam, it's soliciting business. If it wasn't asked or called for, then it will always deserve a quick and fast rebuttle.

              i hope you're keeping well. keep up the good work.


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          • Insight

            Do people know that Israel supplies humanitarian aid to
            Palestinians? Scroll the list in this article and notice they offer medical treatment as well as goods even when the Palestinians bomb them.

            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/weeklygazaaid.html
            Also in addition to the info that Anne offered…
            The United States also provides funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, "which provides food, shelter, medical care, and education for many of the original refugees from the 1947-1949 Arab-Israeli war and their families—now comprising approximately 4.8 million Palestinians in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza." $400.4 million have been appropriated for economic aid to the Palestinians and $100 million for support of PA police training, etc. for 2010. The U.S. also provided just over $61.5 million (as of 2009) in emergency humanitarian aid through USAID, UNRWA, and the International Committee of the Red Cross following Israel's assault on Gaza.
            Following Israel's 1967 defeat of Egypt and Jordan, which had previously controlled the Gaza Strip and West Bank respectively, the residents of these territories enjoyed a continuous improvement in previously dire living standards. Perhaps this is why so many thousands of Arabs flooded into the territories *after* the 1967 Israeli conquest. Per-capita GNP expanded tenfold between 1968 and 1991 from $ 165 to $1,715.


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            • Insight

              By 1999, Palestinian per-capita income was nearly double Syria's, more than four times Yemen's, and 10 percent higher than Jordan's (one of the better off Arab states). Only the oil-rich Gulf states and Lebanon were more affluent.

              Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

              No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians' standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars.


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              • Insight

                "Israel built for the Palestinian arabs 6 Universities (in 1967 there was none) and 20 colleges. The level of illiteracy fell from 50% in 1967 to 30% in 1980.
                This is what Israel did. And what about Arab countries ? How many colleges, universities, hospitals, clinics did Syria or Iran or Jordan build in Gaza and West Bank?
                ALL the Arab countries-what a shame! – did for their “Palestinian brothers” less than one tiny Israel. And after that the Arabs curse Israel – and praise the leaders of Iran and Syria.
                Then Israel ceded control over certain parts of Palestine to Arafat. The results became visible practically immediately.
                Under Arafat`s rule:In 1992-1996 the earnings of the Palestinians on the territories controlled by Arafat fell 35%. Unemployment grew 20% in Gaza and 18% in the West Bank. In 1997 40% of the budget of the PA mysteriously disappeared. In 1994-1997 the European Countries donated 1.5 BILLION dollars to the economy of Arafat`s controlled part of Palestine. USA donated another $500 million . Israel gave to Arafat $90 million$.
                All in all, Arafat got 2.1 BILLION$ in only 6 years. Where is this money?
                All this happened BEFORE the Intifadah, so the Arabs can not blame Israel for their misfortunes under Arafat´s rule in this period.
                But at least, Israel maintained some control in the West Bank and Gaza.
                Then Hamas “liberated” Gaza, and now, more than 30% of Arabs who live in Gaza have no work."


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                • Insight

                  "In December 2007, during the Paris Donor Conference, which followed the Annapolis Conference, the international community pledged over $7.7 billion for 2008–2010 in support of the Palestinian Reform and Development Program (PRDP). Hamas, which was not invited to Paris, called the conference a "declaration of war" on it.Following the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict, an international conference took place in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, where donors pledged almost $4.5 billion for the resonstruction of Gaza.


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                  • VanneV anne

                    +100000000. TY, Insight.


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                  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                    Well, right now Israel is bombing Hamas' bank to pieces.
                    Just great.


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                    • Insight

                      So, are these bombs considered a prejudiced and Arabaphobic twist
                      on the old anti-Semitic canard of the crafty and manipulative Jew?
                      Or are the bombs a self- defense response to the Hamas Fatah;
                      "The Koran is our constitution… Jihad is our path … Victory to Islam… Death to Israel… Revolution till the victory."
                      The word "Fatah" means "conquest by means of jihad [Islamic holy war].

                      Some people believe the ultimate and final goal of Islamic muslims, is to conquer the world, kill or enslave all non-muslims, kill all the Jews, and build a “Cordoba” Mosque in every city,
                      in every nation in the world. As long as the Palestines are bombed by Israel then the PA receives money as aid . The Palestinians that are killed are viewed as martyrs to the cause.
                      Once Israel is destroyed the attention will focus on destroying the US as we know it and make it part of the world-wide caliphate. Once that is achieved then whatever country
                      you are living in will be next.


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    • Maggie123

      Dr. Gabor Mate to Berkeley audience, Oct 2012. Mate is Jewish. His remarks go beyond Israel/Palestine conflict, although it's mentioned. (I may have posted this at ENE before – I find a lot of value in it:)

      "My own political history has been one of serial disillusionment. When I was a child growing up in Hungary I believed in the Soviets because they saved us from Hitler. I believed everything we were told about the Soviets was true, and that everything the West said was a pack of lies.

      "Then when I was still pretty young and my family emigrated to Canada because of the 1956 Hungarian revolution, I found out that everything the Soviets had said was a pack of lies and I shifted my loyalties to the West. After a few years I realized that everything the West and the Soviets said about one another was true, and that what each said about themselves was a pack of lies.

      "I found Zionism. My people had been brutalized, my grandparents died in Nazi camps… Then I traveled through Gaza and the West Bank and spent two weeks weeping at what had been done in the name of Jewish freedom.

      "So I became a Maoist, until I learned more about the dark side of Maoism and had to back off that too.

      "I'm no longer an ideologue… We attach to ideologies and external truths because of basic human needs, and when we do that, we also tend to give up our own critical faculties and can't see the world as clearly."

      (Quoted/paraphrased, http://www.kpfa


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      • Maggie123

        (Quoted/paraphrased, http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/84928)
        See also if interested: http://drgabormate.com/.
        Mate became a physician/author. Internationally recognized speaker. has specialized in addiction, has incorporated neurochemistry, psychology, uterine (pre-birth) and early childhood environmental influences, broader "addictive" individual and societal behavior patterns, etc. I'd describe his "theme" as deeply humanitarian. (He also has a warm sense of humor so is a good speaker!:)


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  • There Will Come Soft Rains

    There will come soft rains and the smell of the ground,
    And swallows circling with their shimmering sound;
    And frogs in the pool singing at night,
    And wild plum trees in tremulous white;

    Robins will wear their feathery fire,
    Whistling their whims on a low fence-wire;
    And not one will know of THE WAR, not one
    Will care at last when it is done.

    Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree,
    If mankind perished utterly;
    And Spring herself when she woke at dawn
    Would scarcely know that we were gone.

    - Sara Teasdale (published 1920)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvMGIqphSUk&list=PL89C3EBC75D1471F4&index=33&feature=plpp_video
    _____

    If I could send a 'time' message:

    Dear Sara,

    I hear you Sara. It's now the year 2012. Almost 100 years after you were here. We haven't learned very much it seems. Actually, we've made things even worse than war if you can imagine that. Seems like we are destroying our entire planet now and every innocent living thing that breathes or swims.

    Sincerely,
    ChasAha


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    • Maggie123

      ChasAha: "There will come soft rains" – a single line so beautifully calls forth tenderness and release. Thank you for it, for the entire poem, and for your letter to Sara.


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Bilderberg emergency meeting in Rome.
    Was Ken Clarke attending?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7KJG5Kh4yY#t=17m45s


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  • arclight arclight

    this is just cool
    look out for
    "the return of arthur conan doyle"
    white eagle books

    if iits your cup of tea?

    Uploaded by elsatanicomatt on Apr 16, 2009
    1930 interview with Sherlock Holmes writer Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Believed to be the only filmed interview with Conan Doyle. He talks about Holmes and Spiritualism.
    11 minutes longArthur Conan Doyle Interviewed on Sherlock Holmes and Spirituality

    Some background on this movie – it was shot in October 1928, for Movietone News in his garden at his Windlesham estate with his Irish terrier, Paddy. [Source: "The Adventures of Arthur Conan Doyle" by Russell Miller, 2008, Thomas Dunne Books, imprint of St. Martin's Press; ISBN-13: 978-1-61523-180-5]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjgt9PzYEM&feature=related

    elementary my dear watson..


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  • Sickputer

    Did you see the huge waterspout Sunday down in the Land of Oz?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50135420n

    "A giant waterspout that developed off NSW's south coast may be one of the largest ever caught on camera in Australia.

    The towering twister appeared off Batemans Bay on Sunday afternoon and spectacular images of the swirling, dark grey vortex rapidly spread around the world via social media sites"

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Environment/2012/11/19/Giant_waterspout_is_huge_internet_hit_818011.html


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Fox Affiliate In Denver Actually Confirms UFO Sighting Above The City
    Michael Kelley | Nov. 15, 2012, 10:32 AM

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-ufo-flying-above-denver-2012-11#ixzz2CjgZQ0d8


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    In comes.. Team Hillary..
    The whole situation is screwed now.
    Let's see.. the US.. pretending to be the voice of reason while twisting the knife.

    Clinton to fly to Israel as pressure for Gaza cease-fire builds

    http://news.msn.com/world/clinton-to-fly-to-israel-as-pressure-for-gaza-cease-fire-builds


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Live Gaza updates..
    US ships being sent to pick up American citizens in Israel…etc.

    Israel-Hamas 'Open War': LIVE UPDATES

    http://rt.com/news/gaza-israel-hamas-attack-687/


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Steve Wynn and other US company bosses plan payouts ahead of fiscal cliff

    As Obama and Boehner try to forge compromise, business owners work around expected increase in dividend taxes

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/19/fiscal-cliff-steve-wynn-payouts


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    OT.The Naked Scientists..cancelled..

    Radio Ga Ga: BBC axes popular science radio show

    BBC East perplexes scientists and the public with decision to cancel a popular and award-winning science radio show

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/occams-corner/2012/nov/20/1

    Wow… naked scientists….lol.
    Great show..really.


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    A message to the regular enenews users: Please by all means come here to read and posts your daily information as per usual but also to spread out to other forums of your choice/interest to educate people. If we need to expand the anti-nuclear community, we must go elsewhere too to bring people here.

    My god, I've just signed up with a language exchange site where lots of people wanting to learn Japanese, wanting to live there or going to uni etc and they have no clue about the situation! Some are even complaining about the typical internal exposure symptoms without knowing why but they know something is wrong. The person that you might exchange a conversation may be one person but who knows, to educate one person is great because you are immediately opening up another communication network which you are not in touch with. So please write blogs, posts videos or drop a radiation conversation wherever, whenever its possible.

    We obtain peace by stopping the wars, not by bombing each other!
    We can halt further nuclear pollution by educating as many people as possible so that we can fight in numbers.
    All the best!


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  • JHewes76 JHewes76

    Former EPA Officials: "BP will kill again"
    <blockquote cite="BP's wide-ranging violations, due in part to the type of corporate culture West, Coon and Breuer said exists at the company, have resulted in more than $10 billion in civil and criminal penalties against BP over the past 17 years. Yet, each time the federal government penalizes BP, the company pays its fine and promises to implement new policies to address safety shortcomings. But BP rarely follows through – as evidenced most significantly by more than 700 infractions identified by federal regulators in 2010 at its refineries and alleged neglect at its other drilling rig in the Gulf called Atlantis – and ends up paying more fines and getting another slap on the wrist.">

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/12815-bp-will-kill-again-former-epa-officials-attorney-says


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    I don't usually follow the news or media (other than ENEnews and nuke related) and I am unfamiliar with American politics. I have better things to do with my time. But, can someone please tell me WHY there has been rockets fired into Israel from Gaza, prompting this retaliation by Israel?


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi eatliesndie

      This is my outlook on this..I don't know of a time when they really have gotten along over there. I believe it's about territory issues, for some even about beliefs, and for the riches.
      As usual, many who are suffering are the innocent.
      Hate and war is ugly and never right, love and peace is.
      I'm on the side for love and peace.

      US has been an ally to Israel as long as I can remember, yet have been known to supply all sides in some way, they also have tried to promote peace talks.

      The politics of it is, they also have been known to step in if it's profitable. I would say pockets gets filled with wars.


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      • eatliesndie eatliesndie

        Hi WindorSolarPlease,
        Supply to both sides and talk of peace….hmmm.
        What do you think the reason the people firing these randomly placed missiles at Israel(or Israelis) would give? Do they publish a reason somewhere, Whats the official line?

        I have way too much empathy when it comes to peoples suffering, so I'm unavoidably on the side of love and peace too.
        God help us all. (oops, the G word)


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        • VanneV anne

          After the Arab Spring, other terrorist groups have moved into Gaza and are challenging Hamas for control of Gaza:

          “The harder-line Al Qaeda-linked Global Jihad Salafi movement has begun to challenge the authority of Hamas in the Gaza, as has the Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad terrorist organization.
          “With its position threatened from all sides, Hamas now finds itself having to prove its credentials both in terrorism and on the global diplomacy front. Funds to Gaza, and to Fatah if it were to unite with Hamas, were frozen by the Quartet of peacekeeping nations (Russia, the U.S., United Nations and European Union) until it agreed to renounce violence, uphold all agreements signed by prior PA governments, and recognize the State of Israel and its right to exist.
          “Hamas has never agreed to any of the aforementioned conditions.
          “Fatah, the primary faction in the Palestine Liberation Organization, intends to approach the United Nations General Assembly in a bid to gain recognition for the Palestinian Authority as a sovereign nation by requesting status as a non-member observer nation….”
          http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162268#.UKv5y2ewV2g


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        • WindorSolarPlease

          Hi eatliesndie

          I don't believe there will ever be love between them, I expect that peace between them can last for so long before they are at it again, coexisting together for a lifetime is a dream.
          However, I still have hope that love, peace, coexisting together will happen and last longer.

          Like I said, my thoughts on the reason why both are firing:
          Territory (control, protecting), different beliefs, and for the riches.
          I think anne answered your question in depth better than I could and she also gave you a link.

          They are Firing on Each Other and on the Innocent. It's only accomplishing growing hate towards each other.

          I still think most people want love and peace to be able to coexist together, if only the uppers in charge of the world would get that message and stop fighting for control, power, ego, and profit.

          No One Is Right when they have hate or want war.

          You asked quote: Do they publish a reason somewhere, what's the official line?
          Yes you can find it online and even on Youtube, you can look that up for yourself.

          Personally, I'm more interested if they just all grow up, and strive for:
          Love & Peace For All The Children


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    • Maggie123

      Hi eatliesndie – another resource that may help with background re Israeli/Palestinian conflict: Abe and Joe Talk Radio Show on 11/20/12, at http://kboo.fm/node/51633.

      One hr call-in, starts about 4 min in after station announcements & music. Early on, Joe uses about 15 min summarizing key developments from pre-WW2 that feed into situation. Given density of historical events across time for both peoples, that dates back to antiquity, I think Joe's summary is pretty good. Callers offer a few additional points that Joe omitted. Other key points don't show up but like I say, despite brevity it's pretty helpful, IMO.

      Very few ever post comments to A&J's show but today two people were very displeased so you might want to read comments just below podcast bar. They accuse Joe, despite much existing documented evidence, of failing to make Palestinian desperate life conditions real to listeners.

      Show conclusion = tough to impossible to resolve. Both peoples have deep scars. Joe's summary does reference Allied force leaders arbitrary geographical solution, which included promising the same piece of land to both peoples!

      IMO peace activists have reached far toward healing. I've posted separately (below) links to Israeli/Palestinian peace activist groups.

      Note: show style is irreverent in early minutes, may offend some listeners.


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      • eatliesndie eatliesndie

        Thanks Maggie. I'm trying to get my head around it.


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        • Maggie123

          Hi Eatliesndie – Thought of you earlier today. You can't be any more muddled on complexities of Israeli/Palestinian dynamic than I have been! Anne and Insight have directed me to Wikipedia and similar articles as resource, but to get and retain a stronger sense of the humanity I've needed 'story telling' too, such as Joe offered on the talk-show.

          Earlier today I checked in at Democracy Now and viewed one news interview that reminds/catalogs what it's been like to live as a Palestinian for a very long time: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/11/14/noam_chomsky_on_gaza_and_the.

          At end of clip, Democracy Now offers related news items. DN tends to the point of view that Jewish WW2 experience is absolutely and unarguably a holocaust, but that this moment, in this time, it's the Palestinians who bear tremendous suffering.

          If you noticed, one comment on the talk show comments was from a Jewish person; Chomsky too is Jewish. The most radical and controversial critic of official Israeli treatment of Palestinian people I've ever heard is Norman Finkelstein, son of holocaust survivors. He's been in hot water his entire adult and professional life so far as I know! He'll be in DN files somewhere, and is on YouT.

          My heart's with the apparent cease fire, all peoples, and peace activist groups. My personal "seething" is with *predecessors* to current Allied powers who, IMO, too easily 'set this up' as 'expedient' re other geopolitical issues on their minds.


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          • eatliesndie eatliesndie

            I watched the Chomsky clip and it was most helpful in answering my question. Just what I suspected. Oppression and desperation….I'm struggling to find the words….


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            • Maggie123

              eatliesndie – I found a 1hr, 15min documentary later that gives much historical detail to Palestinian experience that Joe in his summary was only able to touch on. It has old news film and clips. Created by Ronen Berelovich, an Israeli Jew. In part, as he explains in text and at end of film, as atonement, attempt to help steer resolution back onto what for him would be more honest ground. It's nicely done and is the kind of info I've been looking for.

              "The Zionist Story. (Full Documentary)": http://youtu.be/wA1lDow-0rk.

              Meant to look up Ronen Berelovich to see if there's more of him on internet anywhere but haven't done so; his closing words explain his motivation.

              I'm now more firmly convinced that the real villains are "*predecessors* to current Allied powers who, IMO, 'set this up' as 'expedient' re other geopolitical issues on their minds." Only now I've added Zionist ideologues as part of the manipulative schemers. Oil was beginning to be a very big deal early 20thC, and UK leader's colonial style – arrogant beyond belief – has always "made sense" to US leadership I think.

              I also keep in mind what may have caused Zionism to develop – all Christian Europe for centuries treated Jewish people with suspicion and worse. Still – hard to believe Zionist-rooted politics are interested in peaceful coexistence.

              My hopes with minds/hearts and sucesses of peace activists still!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @eatliesndie..You're welcome.
    Heart of the Rose wants mercy for the People.


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    For chocolate lovers :D Warning & Prediction: If you read the article, you will probably end up eating one today :D

    I don't know how eating Cadbury's Creme Eggs makes you brainer but some interesting and brainless comments *eye rolls*
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20394329


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  • VanneV anne

    FREEMASONRY NOW PUBLICIZING ITS CONTROL OF ISRAEL
    http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2012.cfm

    Iranian President Ahmadinejad Revealed To Be A Freemason! Another Reason That Iran Will NOT Be Invaded or Attacked!
    http://cuttingedge.org/news/n2318.cfm

    Obama, Freemason, Related To Both Bush, Cheney
    http://rense.com/general80/obmw.htm

    The Iran War – How It Will Begin
    9-6-8
    http://rense.com/general83/irwar.htm

    Former President Carter: Israel has 300 nuclear bombs

    http://972mag.com/former-president-carter-israel-has-300-nuclear-bombs/34285/


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  • VanneV anne

    “…In an attack claimed in Gaza by Hamas's armed wing, a longer-range rocket targeted Jerusalem on Tuesday for the second time since Israel launched the air offensive.
    “The rocket, which fell harmlessly in the occupied West Bank, triggered warning sirens in the holy city about the time Ban arrived for truce discussions. Another rocket damaged an apartment building in Rishon Lezion, near Tel Aviv.
    “Rockets fired at the two big cities over the past week were the first to reach them in decades, a sign of what Israel says is an increasing threat from Gaza militants.
    “In the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, Hamas executed six alleged collaborators, whom a security source quoted by the Hamas Aqsa radio said ‘were caught red-handed’ with ‘filming equipment to take footage of positions’. The radio said they were shot.
    “Militants on a motorcycle dragged the body of one of the men through the streets….”
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/20/us-palestinians-israel-hamas-idUSBRE8AD0WP20121120


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  • Maggie123

    HEADS UP – US media consolidation may get worse! "FCC likely to ease consolidation restrictions" is showing up in today's news. I googled for possible citizens's petition – found one here: http://www.freepress.net/

    Scroll down left hand column not far to "No More Media for Murdoch" petition info and link.


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  • Maggie123

    Info link – more detail re FCC "pro-Murdoch" change – reminds what he's acquired as he gains even more massive control, lists his immediate acquisition 'wish list'. Article is not long but informative. Is also at freepress site but at top of central column. I should have mentioned it, sorry: http://www.freepress.net/blog/2012/11/19/why-obama-fcc-plotting-massive-giveaway-rupert-murdoch


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  • VanneV anne

    Future of Gaza-Egypt border crossing a critical point of conflict between Israel, Hamas

    “….Hossam Sweilam, a retired army general, blamed the Brotherhood for the deteriorating security in Sinai, adding that the Egyptian military has been ‘paralyzed’ in its efforts to chase extremists because of the Islamist alliance.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/20/future-gaza-egypt-border-crossing-critical-point-conflict-between-israel-hamas/#ixzz2CoTxXu69


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  • VanneV anne

    This video of Hamas leader in Egypt shows what Hamas believes the situation is, i.e., Israel is seeking the ceasefire, so Hamas won’t stop until their demands are met. Never mind that all Hamas wants is to take over all of Israel.

    Clinton meets Netanyahu to seek Gaza truce
    http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-truce-pressure-builds-cairo-focus-000548745.html


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  • VanneV anne

    “Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Al-Zahar …stated that he dreamed ‘of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it.’[54]….
    “The charter states ‘our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious’ and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[36] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[71][72]…”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas


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  • VanneV anne

    Secretary Clinton on Mideast Ceasefire: 'America's Commitment to Israel's Security
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13RrastK23U&feature=youtube_gdata


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Exposed: UN agency rips IDF for video alleging militants use its Gaza schools to launch rockets

    http://rt.com/news/un-hamas-idf-video-166/


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  • kez

    @Anne,

    I have expressed my own opines as much as I care to here.

    In interest of listening to your POV however I did read the Cutting Edge Ministries links you posted .. mostly .. I scanned after getting the gist.

    Truth, I am more than confused .. if you believe all that Freemason/Illuminati stuff then why post other news links pro-Israel? The gist I got was freemasons are running the world (including Israel) and all of this fits some Old Testament and Revelations prophecy about the antichrist and the rebuilding of the temple and is ordained and confirmed by this Cutting Edge source you quote.

    I will not engage in further discussion about this w you; it does get to a slippery slope of religious beliefs. For that I apologize to this forum.

    But if you had intended to clarify, I have to confess that to me this did not.

    Regards.

    Then why worry about what an ordinary news source says.


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    • VanneV anne

      I don't believe that the illuminati or the freemasons control the world. Quite to the contrary. Everything that I believe is found in the Christian Bible.

      I post articles because I think people make better decisions if they know what is going on in the world and what other people think. I am skeptical of every political article I post. I don't believe everything I read on the cuttingedge website. But I think it is better to know what other people are saying. I think most of the press is controlled by the elite. I don't think the elite is some monolithic entity. I think they have the same disputes as other people and the same power struggles. They just have a lot of money to try to buy their own way.

      I don't believe that there are ufo's from other planets. I think that is a myth fostered by the elite. I do believe that there are drones flying around.


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      • VanneV anne

        I'm not naive enough to believe that anyone pays attention to what I write.


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          hmmm..Anne, i pay attention, agree or disagree, sometimes reply. I can't read all the posts but pick and choose or glean from your summaries. Good to understand that you are putting out insights from all the players.


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        • Insight

          I have a different opinion on UFOs than you do. A study by Yale astronomer Pieter van Dokkum just took the estimated number of stars in the universe—100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, or 100 sextillion—and tripled it. To think that tiny earth (with its myriad of life forms that can thrive in extreme heat and cold) is the only planet in the universe that developed an intelligent being does not seem logical. If the earth has been discovered, and I believe that is true based on all of the reports by commercial airline pilots and astronauts in flight, then the UFOs appear to be friendly (so far).


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      • kez

        Well with due respect I would rather understand the personalities I read here a little better.

        Otherwise I might consider posting a deluge of information, especially from some really out there conspiracy sources without an opinion given by a user something like a newsbot ..

        Essentially spam.

        I do realize I do not have to read anything here on this forum .. as I am fully able to google and follow the news especially on such a high profile issue as Israel/Gaza.

        I guess I am a little confused about why anyone here would post stuff they don't believe without some disclaimer.

        However each to his own.

        Regards and do take care.

        And with total tongue in cheek I'd wish you a Happy T'giving .. but there is probably some freemason secret association to that too. ;)


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    arrrgh Onigiri-san (Mr Rice Ball) is unwell and due to have an eye surgery. Retinal detachment from too much radiation in Fukushima? Please send him a good wish.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5uihi9hXHg


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  • kez

    My apologies .. my last line was meant to be edited out and the post should end w Regards.

    My phone rang and messed it up.

    Sincere apologies.


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  • Maggie123

    Israeli/Palestinian Peace demonstration, 17th Nov. Video clip from Israeli Social Media: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9165.

    "Combatants for Peace" were shown as an organizing group: http://cfpeace.org/

    A *very* long list of links to other groups focused on peaceful, nonviolent outcome that leads to a better life for all are listed here (resource page): http://www.justvision.org/organizations.

    American groups (found separately, may/may not be on above list):
    Jewish Voice for Peace: http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
    American Jews for a Just Peace: http://www.ajjp.org/about/common-ground.

    I've not spent time at any of the websites so can't say much about any of them. I expected "a few". I am so encouraged to find so many, yet it sure seems we don't learn of them!


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    • Maggie123

      "Rabbi Wise, representing Jewish Voice for Peace, went on to say: “Even as we take to the streets to call for an immediate cessation of the bombings into Gaza, the rocket attacks into civilian communities in Israel, and an end to the ongoing siege of Gaza, we are aware that more is required.”

      "The “more” that’s required includes a change in U.S. policy. In Rabbi Wise’s words, we should ask President Obama “to make sure aid to Israel doesn't continue to violate U.S. laws which specifically prohibit assistance to any country which engages in a consistent pattern of human rights violations.”

      Above quote is part of message from RootsAction.org, Petition that when signed (if you choose) will go to the White House and your senators and house reps here: http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6891.


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      According to Food & Water Watch (FWW), a biotechnology company known as Intrexon recently purchased about 48 percent of the nearly-bankrupt AquAdvantage, which has been struggling to stay afloat as its GE salmon project has been slowly sinking.

      Intrexon's current board of directors includes Robert B. Shapiro, former vice president, president, and CEO of Monsanto, as well as former head of the NutraSweet subsidiary of GD Searle & Company, the creator of aspartame. The company's current senior vice president and head of animal science, Thomas Kasser, also worked at Monsanto for 20 years prior to coming on board at Intrexon, where he helped develop and promote the controversial GE growth hormone rBGH.

      Other key Intrexon figures include former executives from pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, for instance, and fast food chain McDonald's, as well as many others with considerable industry experience in successfully rushing toxic chemical poisons and untested genetically-modified (GM) foods through the federal regulatory approval process.

      Scientifically; however, AquaBounty has been shown to produce abnormally high levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF), a hormone that has been linked to a variety of human cancers. This is one reason among many why GE salmon has yet to make it to American dinner plates.

      http://www.naturalnews.com/038031_GE_salmon_AquAdvantage_FDA.html


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  • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/

    "At least 139 people dead in gaza and five killed in israel since attacks began on wednesday"

    Bad aim or aggressive behavior?


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  • VanneV anne

    Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi walks tightrope in Gaza conflict
    Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has stood firm on defending Palestinian interests in the Gaza Strip while not jeopardizing a peace treaty with Israel.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-morsi-gaza-20121121,0,7456267.story


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  • VanneV anne

    Gaza: Clinton works for truce 'in the days ahead'
    With the fighting in Gaza ongoing, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem early Wednesday. Meanwhile, emphasizing their support for the Palestinians, a group of Arab ministers visited Gaza.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1120/Gaza-Clinton-works-for-truce-in-the-days-ahead


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  • VanneV anne

    Morsy's Egypt 'pivotal' to Gaza cease-fire talks
    “That put Egypt at odds with the United States, which contributes about $1.3 billion in military and economic aid to Cairo every year….
    “Morsy faces pressure from the Egyptian public to take a tougher line against Israel. An April 2011 poll by the Pew Global Research Project found that 54% of Egyptians want to abandon the Egypt-Israel peace treaty, while 36% want to keep it in place….
    “But that border is also a sign of a deteriorating security situation within Egypt, where much of Mubarak's feared apparatus has been dismantled since his ouster. More than 500 top officers of Mubarak's State Security Investigations have retired or been sacked, and militant groups have found space in places like the sparsely populated Sinai Peninsula, where they have received shipments of weapons from Libya and elsewhere.
    “In one attack on a military outpost in Sinai in July, militant Islamists killed 16 Egyptian soldiers. Morsy's government responded with a campaign aimed at driving them out of the region, accompanied by the firing of the region's governor, military police chief and intelligence director….”
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/20/world/meast/egypt-gaza-morsy/?hpt=hp_t1


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  • VanneV anne

    Gaza: Between recurring tragedies and changing policies
    “The new factor in today's war is that Hamas, that did only put its trust in Syria and Iran before, although lost those important allies, has now gained more significant ones, namely, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

    “Personally, I think the new Egypt could change the rules of the game. It could be the Hamas guarantor in the face of the Israelis in their promised agreement, whose outlines they recently announced.
    It would also be easier for Hamas to accept any agreement without being accused of betraying their case as long as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt support their new understanding.

    “The recent and the most significant issue that many people want to know both in Washington and the Arab world is if Gaza and Cairo are ready to engage in a broader peace talk so that Gaza can become the open gateway after having been the besieged Gaza Strip….”
    http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/11/21/250856.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    French Officials Accuse US of Hacking Sarkozy's Computer, Attacks Bear the Hallmarks of "Flame".

    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/11/frech-officials-accuse-us-of-hacking.html

    Ooh la la…lol


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  • VanneV anne

    Geraldo Rivera: Israel-Gaza, the Unholy War
    “….Making Palestine independent won’t automatically eradicate terroristic threats to Israel. There will still be those who seek the destruction of the Jewish State. But it would not meaningfully aggravate Israel’s peril. Perhaps law-abiding Palestinians would treat the militants more as criminals and terrorists than as heroes. Most of the people in Gaza already despise Hamas. The move toward the two-state solution would be the fulfillment of the national dream of an occupied people. It would remove the world’s biggest gripe against Israel. And it is the right thing, the Jewish thing to do.”

    Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2012/11/21/geraldo-unholy-war/#ixzz2Cs0q5UDB


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Exceptionally grave damage: NSA refuses to declassify Obama’s cybersecurity directive

    http://rt.com/usa/news/nsa-directive-epic-foia-192/


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Heart

      The usual people with whom I try to discuss the Patriot Act, Executive Orders, etc. always respond "if I am not doing anything wrong, why should I worry?"

      To paraphrase, if the Executive Branch is not doing anything wrong, what would be the problem with declassification? Why all the "secret" documents? Are some people more equal than others? Are your words so bad that you need all that protection from the people who voted for you?

      Government "secrecy" is a really bad word to me. I believe it is used only to CTA.


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      • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

        "The usual people with whom I try to discuss the Patriot Act, Executive Orders, etc. always respond "if I am not doing anything wrong, why should I worry?""

        If they throw such question, I'd ask them to post their name, home address and telephone number. If they have nothing to hide, I'm sure asking such information aren't that much of a problem. They usually shut-up after that.


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        • Sue

          Glow in the Dark

          Just wanted to thank you for leading me to the UK Column Live which has opened my eyes to the 'Common Practice' scandal and explains many of my unanswered questions, both on a personal level and some following discussions here at Enenews.


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          • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

            Hi Sue, It's good channel that, isn't it?
            It's better to know what is really going on. The world is in a mess, a lot of seemingly unconnected things are connected.

            In the meanwhile, I am trying to wake up students who are too eager to go to Japan to study. While Japanese are living in Japan as per usual like pre-311, it's hard to convince them with the true facts. *sigh* I am beginning to doubt even if, god forbid, a half of the children develops cancer or die, will they realise the danger?


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  • VanneV anne

    Egypt confiscates warheads smuggled from Libya
    “…The Egyptian officials said authorities seized the pick-up trucks, carrying 108 warheads for Soviet-designed Grad rockets, near Marsa Matrouh, 270 miles (430 kilometers) northwest of Cairo on the Mediterranean coast. Suspected smugglers had fled the scene….”
    http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle-east/2012/11/21/egypt-confiscates-warheads-smuggled-from-libya/4u5a025vXIBj077Tb17VLO/story.html


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  • VanneV anne

    “the second time collaborators were reportedly killed in Gaza since the beginning of Operation Pillar of Defense'"

    Hamas official criticizes execution of suspected collaborators
    Deputy politburo chief posts Facebook message calling to indict those responsible for shooting six Palestinians

    "Hamas' Deputy Politburo chief Mousa Abu Marzook posted a message on his Facebook page condemning the execution of six people accused of being Israel collaborators.

    "He demanded that those behind the act be tried. 'The way these collaborators were killed and the images after their death are totally unacceptable and those responsible must be indicted. These events must never repeat themselves,' he wrote.

    "Abu Marzook further added, "We endorse punishments to spies and especially to those who took part in the death of our commander and undermine our resistance but they should only be punished by law."

    "Gunmen chained the body of one of the alleged collaborators to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the main streets of Gaza City…."
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4309781,00.html


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  • VanneV anne

    How the 'imminent' Gaza ceasefire unravelled
    “….On the Palestinian side the argument was even more complicated, pitting factions within Hamas who were happy to accept a ceasefire against hardliners around Mohamed Deif, Hamas's military commander and other groups, who seek an immediate lifting of the blockade and opening of the Rafah border crossing.
    “In Hamas itself there has been growing competition both between the military side, which has taken increasing prominence, and the political wing, and between Khalid Meshaal, the main leader in exile, and the Hamas prime minister, Ismail Haniya….
    “Escalating security problems with Salafist groups in the northern Sinai, already heavily militarised, has challenged Egypt's capacity to respond.
    “Indeed, on Wednesday, as if to underline the problem, Egyptian authorities seized pick-up trucks carrying 108 warheads for Soviet-designed Grad rockets smuggled from Libya, believed to be bound for Sinai or Gaza….”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/21/how-imminent-gaza-ceasefire-unravelled


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Current discussion on RT
    http://rt.com/on-air/


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Darn..over. A good blog should be like a good marriage.
      It's not going through life looking at each other ..but going through life looking at the world together.

      Lol.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Heart

      I just saw that there is a ceasefire between Palestine and the Israelis. That may end daily sniping on this subject on enenews. Lots more going on in the world, but the war has provided a distraction from anything else and that could well have been intentional. Shhh. Don't mention Gen. David Patraeus, Gen. Carter Ham, Gen. John Allen or Adm. Charles Gaouette of whom we hardly hear anymore. And whatever anyone does, do not bring up the subject of Bengazi. Following the Secretary of State's wine tasting and visitation of Israel, she is scheduled to testify to Congress on Bengazi in December. Hmmm, most people are busy in December, so don't be distracted or you may miss it.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Press TV: Coup and counter-coup in Washington

        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/19/press-tv-coup-and-counter-coup-in-washington/

        Distracted..is not the word for it..


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      • Insight

        Please discuss the Bengazi event with any information you have gleaned. The pieces of that puzzle do not fit. Background info may be of interest to the event such as in 2008 the US and Libya began to negotiate a deal to compensate victims of terrorist attacks blamed on Libya. That is a year after Libyan parliamentary body authorised the signing of a deal under which the US would help the country build its first-ever nuclear power plant for "civilian use".

        This attack took place on 9/11/12, an anniversary date for the greatest Islamist terrorist assault on the U.S, in a Middle East nation. This point alone should have demanded protection from an extensive security team. Why was a Turkey ambassador in a meeting prior to the attack? What was his agenda? It is being reported that he was an arms broker." Obama gave weapons to the Libyan rebels (terrorists) to fight Gaddafi. Now the US is trying to get them back and broker a deal with the Syrian rebels to buy them (by way of Turkey as the arms dealer). Stevens met with the Turkish Ambassador earlier on Sept. 11. There were issues and the meeting did not go well."
        I do not believe that story. The USA GIVES money and arms to Syria rebels, they do not pay, no broker needed!(many nations supply Libya with arms) Why were they in an annex and not in an embassy, considering the volatile nature of the islamic rebels at that specific time?
        Who gave the stand down order? Can it be traced to Jarret?


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        • JHewes76 JHewes76

          No disrespect meant Insight, but this just doesn't seem important anymore. I'm more concerned that we ALL are going to suffer some form of radioactivity health effects from Fukushima fallout. The radioactivity situation is a life & death situation for the entire planet. (food,water,air) We've got bigger fish to fry… assuming we can find one that is not contaminated. ;)


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          • Insight

            JHewes76 there are many other forums on ENEnews that address exactly what you are concerned about. This is the OFF-topic area. Perhaps you are not aware that it is the Nuclear Weapons that will soon be landing on various areas of the world that, in all truth, are the main concern for the continued existence of life on this planet.
            What will happen if one missile lands in Fukushima? If Japan fights China do you think China will not bomb Japanese nuclear plants? Of course they will. Are people preparing for that? If Japan wants peace they should let go of those islands and back away from this war that is brewing because China being more powerful & having alliance with Russia, will not back down. China is planning to attack. The USA is supposed to protect Japan.
            Everything that is happening associated with the upcoming WW3 both in the Pacific & in the Mid East is important.


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          I leave the gleaning to others here..now days.. Insight.

          Clinton Directed False Flag in Benghazi to Instigate WW III in Middle East

          http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/10/06/clinton-directed-false-flag-in-benghazi-to-instigate-ww-iii-in-middle-east/


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          • VanneV anne

            Funny, every time the jihadis kill someone it becomes a false flag operation. Is this because they know that killing is against their morals? Or is it because lying is an essential part of their morals?


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  • VanneV anne

    Hamas and the Palestinians
    January 2, 2009
    “When Hamas talked about pursuing the “resistance” against Israel, it was referring to the firing of rockets and the launching of suicide bombings.
    “Hamas’s clear message to the Palestinians was: Vote for us and we will not only bring you good government, but we will also continue to work toward the destruction of the state of Israel….

    At the rally, the Hamas supporters chanted, 'Death to Israel!' and 'Death to America!' and vowed that they would never recognize Israel. The demonstrators also called on Hamas’s armed wing, Izaddin al-Kassam, to continue firing rockets at Israel…."

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/191/hamas-and-the-palestinians

    HAMAS’ Fave Tea Partier: Palestinian GOP Congressman Votes w/ Islamic Terrorists
    July 26, 2011
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/39769/hamas-fave-tea-partier-palestinian-gop-congressman-votes-w-islamic-terrorists/


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  • VanneV anne

    Divided Palestinians hold municipal elections without Hamas

    Oct 18, 2012
    “Palestinians in the West Bank go to the polls on Saturday in long-delayed municipal elections that have already highlighted deep divisions in the occupied territory and stoked complaints about a lack of leadership.
    “The October 20 ballot will hold up a cracked mirror to a political landscape clouded by financial crises, failure to reconcile the major Palestinian factions and stalemate in peacemaking efforts with Israel.
    “The powerful Islamist group Hamas is boycotting the election and preventing voting from taking place in the Gaza Strip, leaving the field largely clear for the mainstream Fatah party in the race to take charge of 94 West Bank towns and villages.
    “But, as has happened so often in the past, President Mahmoud Abbas's nationalist Fatah movement has failed to present a united face, with party rivals presenting their own candidates….”
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/us-palestinians-elections-idUSBRE89H0CC20121018


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Jah people!

    6.99 Billion People Side Against Israel and Gaza Murderers

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/21/6-99-billion-people-side-against-israel-and-gaza/

    [END]


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    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      One love! one people. one planet. one chance.


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    • VanneV anne

      That's not what that article said.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          perfectly good explanation anne, as to why Gordon 'sprinkles' disinformation into his analysis. He admits that doing otherwise would earn him a short trip to Valhalla. He's one of the few public figures that admits to doing so! That alone ups his credibility in my book. Most others simply ignore (or vehemently) deny being in someone's back pocket.

          BTW. His analysis is spot-on and unbiased. Characterizing him (and his website) of being on the far Left (pro-national socialist) is short-sighted. He's a hardcore patriot and libertarian in his politics. I'll admit, I have witnessed him going on about himself and his 'connections' more often than I'd like. But I always allow for 'artistic license' when it comes to public figures…


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          • VanneV anne

            Is it news when 40% is false information? I find people who praise lying extremely scary.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              then you might want to think twice about what you're swallowing. As I said, he admits to what he's doing and explains why. I'd have thought you'd be grown-up enough to know that media is filled with deceivers. Then again, there's always a chance you're not aware of that truth…


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              • VanneV anne

                I don't condone lying on anyone's part. I haaen't watched TV at all since March, 2011.


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  that's the view of an absolutist. The real world is mutable; ever changing…and for good reason.

                  Be it the supporting words of a parent who praises the scribbles of their child or those of a propagandist, lies (little or big) are a part of the real world. Learning to discriminate between what is true or otherwise is equally a part of growing up and accruing to adulthood.

                  I enjoy Gordon Duff as he challenges the observer to unmask the truth. He makes no pretense to do otherwise. That he is honest enough to admit doing so, is used by the ideological opposition (in this instance, zio-cons) as means to undermine his efforts. In the world of white-source-intel, few media pundits are as 'honest' in their presentation of the 'truth'. It's precisely because he's so good at the 'game' that he's become so-well respected by-both alternative media and observers. He's what's known as an 'adept'.

                  Keep up the 'good' fight anne. I find your 'calling' fascinating. And blessings – from the goddess – upon you and yours over the Thanksgiving weekend!


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                • richard richard

                  hi anne. i also have rarely watched TV at all since March, 2011.

                  it was all getting questionable beforehand, but since fuku, the coordinated silence of the MSM became starkly obvious. I was constantly astounded as the level of denial and distraction rose, then finally, completely they ignored the matter.

                  it became obvious the MSM is bought and owned. it's a mouthpiece to the 'information' you're expected to hear.

                  in the same context, it reveals that more may be hidden. nothing is real. whatever MSM may present as reality is nothing more then a blend of hollywood and the whitehouse (and the corporate owners of those entities).

                  i'm thankful for the 'net and blogs and enenews. there's still a lot of fluff and bling around, but i'd prefer a wider spectrum of information sources then being fed the homogenised wire feeds.

                  thanks for bringing back my memories of how i felt (and the transition) those 18 months ago. It was those feelings that led me to enenews, via blog hopping at the time, seeking some relief from the incongruent world that was being presented.


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      • VanneV anne

        Decade of Deceit: Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 10 Years Later Conspiracists behind the Theories
        http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/911_conspiracy_theories_report.htm?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_3


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      great article/link Heart of the Rose! And Johnny's right…the jig is up.

      There's a new paradigm that's evolving throughout the world. I fear many well-meaning Jews will be scandalized by the actions of those who hide behind the Judaic religion. When that time comes (and it's coming), I'll make a point of standing up to protect them; just as I now stand with those who suffer under the boot of the zio-cons…


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