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  • VanneV anne

    Magnitude 5.1
    Date-Time

    Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 18:36:24 UTC
    Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 03:36:24 AM at epicenter

    Location 36.678°N, 142.014°E
    Depth 33.5 km (20.8 miles)
    Region OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
    Distances

    108 km (67 miles) ESE (113°) from Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
    141 km (88 miles) ENE (75°) from Mito, Honshu, Japan
    180 km (112 miles) SE (130°) from Fukushima, Honshu, Japan
    232 km (144 miles) ENE (60°) from TOKYO, Japan


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    oops, fracking study influenced by industry?

    "Charles "Chip" Groat retired from his position as director of UT-Austin's Energy Institute last month in the wake of controversy over his role as principal investigator of a study released earlier this year that questionably claimed there was no link between fracking and water contamination. The controversy arose because Groat failed to disclose that he serves as a director of Plains Exploration and Production (PXP), a Houston-based oil and gas company heavily involved in fracking and offshore drilling."

    http://www.southernstudies.org/2012/12/for-controversial-fracking-researcher-a-disclosure-lesson-unlearned.html

    so very hard to believe.. not.


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    • Maggie123

      A million pluses and 10 million cheers for these kids! Best, cheeriest, most 'fun', and inspiring as well as confirming, news I've heard in quite some time – thanks, Richard! :) :)


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Thanks Richard , good point Maggie , maybe the young generation will succeed in outsmarting the Beast where we fail . I will hold on to that thinking .


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        • kalidances

          :) That story is brilliant.

          However, the next generation has to be alive and biologically fertile for the changes to happen and unfortunately that involves handling nuke energy. Their parents and grandparents need to hurry up and make sure they are healthy enough to make the needed changes.
          South Africa is fighting right this minute to increase nuclear power with Koeberg as the model to lead the way. If they are successful many other parts of Africa will want to follow suit if they think it will rebuild their economies.
          All over the continent there is rampant trouble with nuke waste dumping.

          http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf88.html


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          • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            Thanks kali you gave me an idea ,
            Their parents and grandparents concerns and actions about health should include education about the true way's the future is unfolding on
            our metastasing uterus planet despite the time/speed of the proces seems out of the majority's perception (boiling frog syndrom lol)and despite whats on the bribed/owned telly mouthpiece etc (that i watch to think about the impact on "un-critical thinking" people for "understanding" , and because i'm addicted too ),
            and the teachings of debating skills and critical thinking , political proactive , and capable of caring and sharing , seeking/speaking truth in a way that create's enemy's as litle as possible with maximum effect etc . Matter of mental health side of things , but for the same purpose ;)


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  • VanneV anne

    This earthquake is 9.5 mi (15.33 km) ESE from Hijori volcano

    http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html

    Hijiori
    38.606°N 140.178°E

    Magnitude
    4.6
    Date-Time
    • Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 10:26:02 UTC
    • Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 07:26:02 PM at epicenter

    Location
    38.637°N, 140.006°E
    Depth
    77.2 km (48.0 miles)
    Region
    EASTERN HONSHU, JAPAN
    Distances
    • 88 km (54 miles) WNW (300°) from Sendai, Honshu, Japan
    • 108 km (67 miles) NNW (338°) from Fukushima, Honshu, Japan
    • 116 km (72 miles) NE (46°) from Niigata, Honshu, Japan
    • 331 km (206 miles) N (4°) from TOKYO, Japan


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  • VanneV anne

    “…The recent skiing accident by Dutch Prince Friso, led to the exposure of the deep criminal activities of the Dutch and other aristocracies: “Grim Tidings From the Netherlands: Prince Bernhard’s Grandchildren Continue Bilderberg Legacy”. For centuries, through the Dutch East India Company, the deep involvement of the Dutch crown in the global drug trade has now been exposed as the source of the Dutch monarchies tremendous wealth. As second son, Prince Friso was involved in many aspects of the development of technologies for total control of the human race from space (HAARP), was employed by Goldman Sachs (the Rothschild bankers), Wolfenson of the World Bank, and presently a uranium enrichment company. Despite being a homosexual, he married the former girlfriend of one of the top ten drug dealers (a Dutchman) in the world – with ties to Queen Beatrix (his mother) through her lawyer. The aristocracy likes to keep their enterprises “in the family””The Real Deal” Radio Show (February 3, 2012)…”
    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/02/24/interview-with-prof-dr-busby-and-leuren-moret-%E2%80%93-fallujah-fukushima-and-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-%E2%80%A6-exposing-worldwide-depopulation-and-genocide/


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  • VanneV anne

    Diesel in Water Near Fracking Confirms EPA Tests Wyoming Disputes
    By Mark Drajem – Sep 26, 2012
    “A retest of water in Pavillion, Wyoming, found evidence of many of the same gases and compounds the Environmental Protection Agency used to link contamination there to hydraulic fracturing, the first finding of that kind.
    “A U.S. Geological Survey report on its water testing of one monitoring well near the rural Wyoming town — where some residents complain that gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing contaminated their drinking supplies — identified levels of methane, ethane, diesel compounds and phenol, which the EPA had also identified in its report last year. …”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-26/diesel-compounds-found-in-water-near-wyoming-fracking-site-2-.html


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  • VanneV anne

    Reyonsa Pemex explosion death toll rises to 30
    September 21, 2012|Ildefonso Ortiz, The Monitor, McAllen, Texas
    “Two days after a gas explosion and fire on the outskirts of Reynosa, the death toll rose to 30 after one of the 48 injured survivors died overnight.
    “Seven workers are still considered missing….”
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-21/news/sns-mct-reyonsa-pemex-explosion-death-toll-rises-to-30-20120921_1_pemex-officials-madero-refinery-death-toll


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    • VanneV anne

      Mexico: Should government be blamed for blast at Pemex gas facility?
      This is the third fire at a Pemex gas facility in five weeks, and could suggest bigger problems – like safety and security regulations – need to be addressed.
      “Yesterday, an explosion at a Pemex natural gas facility in Tamaulipas, Mexico left 26 dead. Authorities are investigating, but they suspect it was either an accident or the result of illegal tapping of pipelines by criminal groups. It's the third fire in five weeks at Pemex facilities in that state, suggesting a bigger set of problems that need attention.
      “Should President Felipe Calderon get the blame? I ask that because many analysts, myself included, were quick to jump on the mismanagement of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan government when an explosion killed over 40 people at the PDVSA refinery in Amuay last month. Poor maintenance, bad management, and an overall lack of investment and focus in the oil industry in Venezuela appear to have led to the explosion that night….”
      http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/Latin-America-Monitor/2012/0919/Mexico-Should-government-be-blamed-for-blast-at-Pemex-gas-facility


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    • VanneV anne

      Deadly oil refinery explosion at Mexican oil refinery near Texas border
      “Mexican President Felipe Calderon says emergency workers' quick reaction to the deadly pipeline fire prevented a ‘real catastrophe,’ by controlling the fire before it reached the massive tanks of a neighboring gas processing plant….”
      http://www.examiner.com/article/10-killed-oil-refinery-mexican-refinery-near-texas-border


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Hi anne

    Thank you anne for the links you bring here, you must be doing a lot of research. I don't know how you find all this information.


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  • richard richard

    A WHOOPING cough epidemic has led NSW to record its highest number of new cases of the disease.
    More than 13,000 people were infected in 2011, and one baby died, surveillance figures published in the CSIRO's NSW Public Health Bulletin show.

    Experts do not know how to stop the spread of the disease, as even people who are vaccinated are at risk because the vaccine begins to wear off after only a couple of years.
    Alexander Rosewell, who led the surveillance report team, said 2011 was an epidemic year.

    "It is largely due to a build-up of susceptible people in the community," he said. "When there are low levels of protective antibodies in the community you are more likely to see an outbreak."

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/whooping-cough-epidemic-as-state-records-highest-numbers-20121217-2bjbw.html#ixzz2FYFJAhpS


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    I'm not a gun toting grandma. I don't have the strength of Rambo, so I know if I had gun it would easily be taken away, and then probably used on me.
    I also don't know how to handle a gun and most likely would forget how to use and take care of it.

    It does freak me out to see guns even in a holster.
    However, how far should we dismantle the second amendment?
    Is it the guns, or the people behind them who are dangerous?

    I'm not sure we ever want to lose the right to bare arms. To bare arms this means not fighting with water pistols against the heavily armed.
    Should the right to defend this Country and yourself be taken away against the heavily armed?

    I can't help but question why they want to push and focus on stricter gun control so fast, without implementing other things first.

    For Example:

    Mental/health care for those who need it.

    Toning down the violence of video games, movies, music.
    Why promote violence?

    Strict background check on everyone in the household where the gun will be stored.

    When buying a gun it should be mandatory to take classes

    Gun shows also need the same strict rules.

    More security people, more camera's, and walking through medal detector machines at schools with all grades, excluding the invasive routine of TSA pat downs or the dangerous X-ray machines.

    Why can't schools be like this one, that spares no expense for student's safety.

    CLICK>>http://abcnews.go


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  • VanneV anne

    MAP:
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40.php
    Magnitude
    4.7
    Date-Time
    • Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 16:08:08 UTC
    • Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 01:08:08 AM at epicenter •
    Location
    40.658°N, 139.153°E
    Depth
    34.8 km (21.6 miles)
    Region
    NEAR THE WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
    Distances
    89 km (55 miles) NW of Noshiro, Japan
    105 km (65 miles) W of Kizukuri, Japan
    109 km (67 miles) NW of Tenno, Japan
    110 km (68 miles) W of Goshogawara, Japan
    This earthquake is 122.4 mi (197.0 km) WSW from Higashidōri Nuclear Power Plant
    This earthquake is 115.5 mi (185.8 km) WSW from Rokkasho reprocessing plant
    http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html
    Higashidōri Nuclear Power Plant 41°11′17″N 141°23′25″E
    Rokkasho reprocessing plant : 40.917N 141.333E


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  • VanneV anne

    For people worried about the end of the world, here is a spoof:

    http://www.endofworld.net/


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  • CB CB

    A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

    The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles roll
    ed into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

    The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full.. The students responded with a unanimous ‘yes.’

    The professor then produced two Beers from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand.The students laughed..

    ‘Now,’ said the professor as the laughter subsided, ‘I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things—-your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions—-and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car..


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  • CB CB

    The sand is everything else—-the small stuff.

    ‘If you put the sand into the jar first,’ he continued, ‘there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life.

    If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you.

    Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.

    Spend time with your children. Spend time with your parents. Visit with grandparents. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and mow the lawn.

    Take care of the golf balls first—-the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand.

    One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the Beer represented. The professor smiled and said, ‘I’m glad you asked.’ The Beer just shows you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of Beers with a friend.


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  • VanneV anne

    COPS have blocked access to a “mystical mountain” which Doomsday fanatics believe will save them from the end of the world tomorrow.
    “Thousands of people have descended on the tiny village of Bugarach in southern France.
    “They claim the 4,000ft Bugarach mountain contains a “garage” for UFOs — and aliens will save them when Earth perishes as the 5,125-year-old Mayan calendar ends….”
    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4706817/Fanatics-banned-from-end-of-world.html#ixzz2FYdzuAcy


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  • Beyond Zero Point

    Hey
    guys and gals anybody know the exact time that galactic convergent will start on this Friday, I have been told it is 11.11 est. am?


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  • Beyond Zero Point

    as I understand it there are 5/5125 year cycles. and we are at the end of the 25625 year cycle which is the big one. Would love input on this from any one.


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    • richard richard

      hi Zero. Numbers are just numbers and the universe is so big and been around for so long that they all become meaningless.

      Smell the roses, enjoy some fine wine, and sleep in on Friday :) – then I'll see you all on Saturday and onward to 2013.

      Oh, and just in case: Did the mayans know of GMT, or is EST is. Or maybe, it's 11:11 in Sydney, so that means I'll get wiped out before you .. and you'll be asleep :)


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      BZP, well, it seems that they found other Mayan calendars since this one that go on for millions of years. So, while a cycle is nearly completed, it is more like the astronomical/astrological transition from Pisces to Aquarius rather than the end of a civilization.


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    • Au Au

      I'm going to start studying astronomy today so I can figure out what is going to happen tomorrow. I'll let you know what I find out. ; )


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    • @Zero, I'm more concerned about the radiation from fukushima. ;)


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        More concerned about Fukushima also JHewes76, and the sinkhole isn't looking good. Our oceans are not looking good either. Our environment is in trouble.
        Friday will come and go, but we will still have these problems.


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    I just found this , another heart beating the right way .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RomBnHf8SnY


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  • Interesting viewpoint: Comparison of the destruction of Mayan civilization with Fukushima: http://rense.com/general95/mayanclock.html

    "The Fukushima disaster is the Yucatan of this decade. The nuclear industry, big government and international agencies are financing a worldwide disinformation campaign to deny the dangers of radiation to human health and the environment."


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    They got over thrown, because their weapons were no match.

    Bury my heart at Wounded Knee

    Click>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhaOJYzoRYI


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    OMFG – just over 2 hours 'till the day the world ends! I'm on the east coast of Australia so the end is much nearer for me and I feel I need to make a few preparations. First – Clean undies. This is something instilled in me by my dear mother, maybe it's an Australian thing but never the less, clean undies it is. Right- next is…..um. That's about it really – oh, no ebay, yes that's right, spend everything quick, on useless rubbish – real quick, leave nothing! um… oh yes and – Sex! and lots of it, and quick. Have I forgotten anything?….. oh no, It's taken me too long to write this post and now I have LESS than 2 hours 'till….


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      rolling over here eatliesndie! I'm frantically rummaging around for my intra-dimensional rescue beacon. I'll be in a lot of trouble if it's been lost in all this junk I've accumulated…


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    • All we need to do to avoid the end of the world is to throw a virgin into a volcano. I've been trying to find one, but it's harder than I thought :D


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        Never thought about that! Imagine a booming voice demands "Bring forth your virgins!" We'd all be looking with empty expressions to the left…then to the right…


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      • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

        They may be planning this. Seriously.

        Only the virgin is going to be thrown or 'accidentally fall' into SPF3


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          those on high are making other plans. Just look at how they're frantically attempting to disarm the citizenry, while at the same time, distributing millions of rounds and fully automatic weapons to those within their ranks. This does not indicate an end-of-world scenario; at least for them. On the contrary, they're setting us up for a (long overdue?) 'house cleaning'.

          Instead of panicking over what the NWO was up too, we would've been better off specifying what the world was to be. Rather than proactive, we've been woefully reactive. But alas, like all other things in our world, we forever leave it up to those who have the strength and determination to make the hard decisions.

          How many choose to personally limit their impact on this world, even if it meant the survival of their fellow species? That fact the elite were intelligent enough to implement long-term programs, is testimony enough to their right to control this world. Do they make mistakes and are they selfish? In a word…YES! They are often as shortsighted as those who think they've a right to do as they see fit! (Which, pretty-much includes most-all of us.) And I only have to look about me, while riding my bicycle in traffic, to know just how selfish the commoner is.

          So, rather than attend township meetings to fight ever-encroaching AGENDA-21 legislation, we simply defer our responsibility as citizens by voting for those who care nothing for us…


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          • Maggie123

            Aftershock – So well said: "Instead of panicking over what the NWO was up too, we would've been better off specifying what the world was to be. Rather than proactive, we've been woefully reactive….".

            Also well said – your observations that if each of us looks about, and even at our own choices, we can see where we 'fall short' or can "watch ourselves" rationalize almost any conclusion.

            But I was particularly caught by "Instead of panicking over what the NWO was up too, we would've been better off specifying what the world was to be."

            Interesting public discourse questions IMO: "Given a clean slate, what could/should human society look like? How could/would we organize ourselves and our infrastructure to 'best maximize' opportunity for every individual to participate and flourish? What do we believe is true about 'the human psyche'? What is 'inborn'? What is 'learned'? What is my evidence? Which of my ideas are universally true and which culturally acquired? If another's authority is 'evidence' (can be valid portion of info for sure), how did that person come by their 'truth'?"

            IMO – such discourse would be the most exciting thing humans have spent thinking time on in a very long while. To my knowing – has never been tackled whole-scale, full range – from child to adult, from impoverished to wealthy, from thief to saint. :)

            Ahem … not my forte to be realistic! :)


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              totally on target Maggie123. Had we the sense to implement what you're suggesting, those behind the scenes (of the NWO) would've been (as they still can be) influenced to take a more 'humane' approach to what needs doing.

              Of all the millions of websites out here, it wouldn't hurt, had we one that was devoted to the open discussion of these issues (futurism at its core). The commoner (hate using that term for lack of a better one) should have a place to float their insights and ideas. There's much that could've been explored (and there still is time for those of us who eschew eschatologically-based end-games) and developed by those who have 'skin in the game'. The power-elite are insulated from their solutions and often find themselves at odds with their goals, as a result of that insularity. (Their ideas more often exceed their grip and become misaligned with historical trends.) Letting others know what we'd expect from a better world, would be one way of finding consensus and realizing the prerequisites.

              We simply have to stop acting like the idiots we define ourselves to be! Like Emperor Caligula, I find myself recoiling at the petulance of those about me. We need to reestablish social standards that we find rational. When will we start assuming the mantle of a species that's responsible and caring?!

              BTW. Love to you and yours, during this most holy of ancient pagan observances…


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              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                Is the a warm up for the "grand conversation"?
                Is this the point in time when humanity looks back at its accomplishments,goals,VALUES,etc…and finally takes time to reflect on concepts..such as..how humanity failed to form the future?
                What could have been said..what have been done?
                Well..it's as good a time as any..because quite frankly…what else is there to talk about?


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  it was never possible – before – for the collective to "…form the future". But the tools are now in place for our ability to do so. We just haven't recognized the opportunity that's staring us in the face…


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                  • m a x l i

                    @Maggie123, @AFTERSHOCK
                    While kidding around here and there, you two have my real, deep attention here. I very much like the idea of such a place to discuss outside-the-box/clean-slate ideas how everyone wants the world to be and how to get there. The internet would be an ideal tool for that. People from around the world could join effortlessly any second. It is a good place for everyone to bring in their arguments, to truly listen to ("read" actually) others' arguments – without the usual prejudice which comes from differences in age, gender, status, wealth, race, religion, party membership, fashion style, dialect, accent, looks, smell, height, skin colour…

                    The internet makes it possible, to have the contributions in written form immediately. You don't have to remember, what was said, but you can read it over as long and often as you wish to come to a deep understanding. And you can take your time to develop your response.

                    In many other situations where people "in the flesh" have discussions (like in parliaments, for instance) usually the highest ranking, the loudest, the charismatic, the scheming and coldblooded are the winners – not the better arguments or the common interest.

                    Before this becomes fully-blown peoples' world government, it might be nice to try and start this small-scale and see how it develops, maybe even here on enenews as a new rubric?


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      again m a x l i, you hit it square on. It would be wonderful for all parties, (including those gathering intel for their masters). For the rest of us, it would be means of bypassing the controlled consensus that's forever being sold to us by media whores.

                      Intuition tells me that it should be an open forum that welcomes any-and-all. Like enenews, you'd have to have someone keeping an eye on those who abuse such venues. The structure (subject groups) would have to be defined by the active participants and adhere to human progress issues. And if it's to be at all productive, it would have to be fearless in what it accepts from the participant. The only thing I'd demand is respect for those involved. We have that here…thanks to the watchful eye of admin…


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                    • m a x l i

                      @AFTERSHOCK, agreed!

                      That "masters" remark is interesting. Our chat-club idea might help to relax some tensions because some of those "masters" could be very surprised what people really want and discover this might become a world even to their taste.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      well m a x l i, if you haven't gathered by now, I've been talking to 'them', as well as others out here.

                      I've had the foresight to study their objectives for a long time; long before it was fashionable to pretend such insight. I've also learned, many of their objectives are necessary and rational. The problem's been, most individuals are unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices; nor are they disciplined enough to remain independent of the production of others. For this reason, alone, it's gotten down to a need to 'trim the fat', as it were. None of those on the outside (myself included) are going to like the results of this up-coming social tsunami. But in truth, we only have our selves to blame for having bought into the temptation that's been placed before us.

                      As I'm all about the future, I'm prepared for the wave that's about to descend on us all. Like the majority, I'll not survive it's crushing weight. That doesn't bother me, as survival is overrated in a world filled with so much transience.


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                    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

                      Together, we can make this world a better place!
                      Comment on FORUM: Where to now? (Issues relating to a caring, positive future) (Dec.21, 2012- Present) (one comment)


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      excellent suggestion eatliesndie. Though I fear most would find themselves at a loss if they were called upon to offer solutions to these issues. They'd simply miss their bitching and moaning. We've become addicted to the negative side of existence.

                      That's not to suggest there isn't a dark side. I even think the preceding generation chose to look at the better side of things; which somewhat explains why things are getting bad for those of us who now expect so little. And while I despise those who are constantly walking around with a smile, I also sense that people have had their expectations so lowered, it's become easy for the 'dark side' to proliferate throughout our world. We need to move from a critical dialogue towards a constructive one. For the very first time in human history, the barriers have fallen and now offer the means towards unparalleled progress. We are the only ones who stand in our own path. The gate's ajar; we've but to emerge from our jailer's cell.

                      Final question for the day:

                      What is the actual purpose of 'darkness' within our universe?

                      It is that which offers context to those with vision…


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      To me it seems like humanity is drowning in details.
                      In art..after details comes..a stepping back.
                      A look from a distance..a 'gesalting'
                      A look at something built from the individual pieces.
                      Look…look at our Earth and it's inhabitants..as whole and complete.
                      Our earth, that which sustains us should be held in our hearts and minds..with this sense of completeness.
                      This gives way for ..vision.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      well framed Heart. I especially liked the 'gestalt' thing. And yes, as a technologists, I can attest that too much information (details as you put it) can cloud ones vision…


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Oh..good job..typo ..gestalting.
                      Vision..even the so called humanitarian organizations..like the UN..fail to offer the people a clear vision of the future.
                      There is no one to offer guidance to the masses..in order to hone the potentiality of humanity on earth.
                      No ..they settle for a lesser vision..
                      of population control and deception of the masses for the benefit of TPTB.
                      The flowering of civilization wilts.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      actually Heart, 'their' civilization is what's wilting. Always keep in mind, their game is to lower our expectations. Their strength resides in this. We've but to look about and realize they control nothing. This planet is but a spec of dust in this galaxy alone, yet you'll notice they cannot control the sinking of the earth or the welling of the oceans. They control nothing but that which we allowed. Just pull-back the curtain and you'll witness the feeble wizard frantically twirling the dials of those who think they've something to gain through their service to this charlatan. But rather than tear him down from his self-anointed throne of control, we need only inquire if he still remembers where he's taking us, to end the madness. Loss of vision is the issue…


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      @AFTERSHOCK..Yes…that is the current state of civilization.
                      Through the years ..I have read the works of many historians, and spiritual leaders.etc.
                      Pages seldom read in history..pages and pages of frustrated words.
                      Minds strained and tired by the 'affairs of court and state'.
                      There is an ancient saying.."A thousand things rise and fall, and the sage does nothing".
                      Perhaps..I should have 'learned' something…


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      well Heart, I only hope that you not succumb to the transience of this age.

                      Like folded steel, we must be reheated and hammered before the plunge into that which awaits our final journey. Our social evolution's been a long and difficult process. Fortunately, there is an emerging enlightenment that's now flooding our unsuspecting minds. Even those who've long parroted the proverbial party line are beginning to question where things are going. None can withstand this inner light. We'll not recognize it 'til it's long past its threshold, but a great transformation's in process.

                      While at the Wake for a childhood friend's mother yesterday, I whispered into the ear of a young toddler that much magic is afoot. You and I may not live long enough to witness this regeneration of purpose. Just be assured, the guiding hand that holds our unsure grip, never let go.

                      Feigned indifference hides within the vastness of this universe. Not unlike the sage, it rarely reveals how integral is our species success to its purpose…


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      @AFTERSHOCK..Detachment has it's pluses..lol.


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                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      PS.It helps while keeping one's ear to the ground..and listening to the different drummer.


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                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  Typo..what could have been done?
                  My hippie friends say.. there was a moment..the 'light' shined through.
                  We have to hang..lol
                  Peace…


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                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    I am so about the 'germinal spark'.
                    The humanity that makes us human.
                    The potential of the Human.
                    The potential to change…


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                  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                    Hi everybody , this thread is so awesome its proof of the awakening imo, the light IS having an effect , but slowly and steady , not globally massive one sweep "AHA -erlebnis/Catharsis time for everybody" as expected/hoped by some , yet , but at least here at ENE , what a beautifull read of awareness and perception both inside/outside the box, again !
                    Thank you all .


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      • Maggie123

        A good many of them have already been tossed into assorted volcanic maws over the matter of global financial crises. Replacement sacrificial categories now include a wider range of "expendables."


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      • m a x l i

        JHewes76 said:"All we need to do [...] is to throw a virgin into a volcano. I've been trying to find one, but it's harder than I thought"

        m a x l i says: Lucky me! Found hundreds!
        http://www.google.com.au/search?q=volcano&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=u&rls=en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-DDTUO3YEuqZiQeCr4CICg&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1080


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @JHewes76

        A man or a woman???


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @JHewes

        Oops! Posted my comment in the wrong place. I assume you all have been looking for a MAN.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Putin says the world is not ending..tomorrow..so that's it folks.

    Vladstradamus: Putin knows when world will end, not afraid of apocalypse

    http://rt.com/news/putin-media-briefing-live-467/

    Sarc…sarc..lol


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    I just don't get the inconsistencies. Every time some crazy bastard shoots a bunch of people, everybody wants to ban some form of guns. BUT….. Fuku, 3 mile, Chernobyl kills many thousands, no one wants to ban nuke power. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in OK city with fertilizer and diesel fuel, but nobody banned gas OR shit.
    I humbly would remind people that there is no such thing as complete safety in this world….be careful what you are willing to trade for the illusion of safety.


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    • VIDEO: Adam Lanza's AR-15 was never in the school – it was in the trunk of his car. Medical examiner said all children were killed withthe rifle. Police said rifle was recovered next to shooter. Suspicious.

      http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2012/12/proof-the-sandy-hook-massacre-was-a-false-flag-operation-adam-lanzas-long-gun-was-never-in-the-school-it-was-in-his-car-2471456.html


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @PoorDaddy

      Every day we are losing more and more of the Bill of Rights. Our ancestors would not have approved the Constitution had it not been for the Bill of Rights which basically describes what government may not do to you. Now they are working on the Second Amendment. When government has all the guns, guess who will still have them? Think about it. It's probably the only reason we have not already been invaded.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        @NoPrevarication: you may have noticed, MSM has gone full-tilt-boogie in highlighting the need to disarm the common folk. They're pouring-on the same intense heat that was applied after the destruction of the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I'm calling it the "911 bum-rush". Regardless whether these incidents are genuine acts of terror or conspiracy, it should be obvious from the concerted call for 'gun control' on the part of main-stream-media, there – is – a planned agenda in their response.

        With 911 came the installation of an in-your-face police-state. Now, with Sandy Hook comes the blunting of the citizenry's ability to respond to this growing repression. What's really amazing is how all of this comes at a time when the same police-state is issuing itself hundreds-of-millions of hollow-point rounds and fully-automatic assault weapons!

        And those who 'think' they will be saved them from the execution pits of the police-state have a big surprise awaiting them! What they apparently don't know from history, is idealist are some of the first to go, as they're the ones who'll cry the loudest when these crimes are put in motion…


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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          @AFTERSHOCK

          Each evening, I turned on the TV to the MSM to see what they would be talking about. When I realized they were intending to spend the entire evening on that event and the main intent was to make people want to eliminate guns, yet nobody was asking themselves why the Social Security Administration would be buying so many rounds of hollow-point bullets, I shuddered. For three days every entire evening news program on the MSM was used to impart this information and idea, yet no mention was made by anyone of government agencies buying bullets. Why would they buy bullets?

          I had to turn the TV off. Nobody should watch such preoccupation with violence and horribly emotional scenes. Don't people feel any emotions anymore unless they see it on TV?

          Yes. We live in a police state and the government has so many weapons we don't even know about that it is overkill. It really is directed history.

          http://www.thedailybell.com/28476/Massive-Psy-op-Obama-Can-Ban-Guns-By-Himself-And-He-Will


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            @NoPrevarication: As to the distribution of weaponry to the SSA? I'm thinking all those retirees will have something to say, when they discover their hard-earned funds have been funneled into the offshore accounts of our masters; all in the name of propping-up the too-big-to-fail mythos.

            I was just reading yesterday of the account of a young Jewish girl who survived an SS death squad. Upon returning to her community and explaining what she'd witnessed and that the 'relocation' program was a farce, she was told by a Rabbi to keep such fantastic stories to herself. Even when all the evidence is starring us in the face, we continue to choose comforting illusion over hard reality. And know that death is not what bothers me. It is the betrayal of all that is decent and just in our world, when we allow mass-murder to become solution to our socioeconomic problems.

            Keep in mind, such deception was not exclusive to the Nazis, but committed throughout history on all continents and against all types of people. We only hear of the Nazi atrocities, as those accounts fit the political objectives of our contemporary masters. Mass murder is the way of all governments, throughout history, regardless of race, religion, or ideology.

            Genocide is not perceived as an indicator of any species readiness for 'ascension'. Our collective actions will be met with much respect or great disdain, by 'that' which awaits us…


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    • crystalwind crystalwind

      Excellent points!


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  • VanneV anne

    MAP: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php

    Magnitude
    4.8
    Date-Time
    • Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 15:31:15 UTC
    • Friday, December 21, 2012 at 12:31:15 AM at epicenter •
    Location
    37.087°N, 141.147°E
    Depth
    58.6 km (36.4 miles)
    Region
    NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
    Distances
    24 km (14 miles) E of Iwaki, Japan
    45 km (27 miles) SSE of Namie, Japan
    49 km (30 miles) NE of Kitaibaraki, Japan
    56 km (34 miles) NE of Takahagi, Japan


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  • kez

    On Human Goodness. Perhaps we could all take a moment to consider.

    I originally searched this to post as an adjunct to another thread. I purposely avoided religious reference but tried to find a more universal inspiration.

    I like this essay; it seems a good time to offer to share some inspiration. It's as innocent and simple as that.

    Maybe others would be inspired to share similar lovely thoughts about what a gifted species we are … for a few days this holiday season.

    Instead of (excuse my salty language) what shitheads we are.

    Here's mine:
    http://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/relyingonhumangoodness.html

    It's not vetted … I don't know the author … I just like it.

    Take care Humans. Much blessings.


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    • Maggie123

      Kez, others, to all ENEers and Admin: From my northern hemisphere winter solstice season – Best Wishes entering 2013 to you and all those around you.

      Thank you Kez, for the link. It was a welcome 'return' moment for me to read the piece. I often find it a challenge to take care that my strong urge for social/political analysis and activism, even angry activism, is rooted in non-judgmental compassion. (Such is my 'plan') :)

      Reading Margaret Wheatley's thoughts had the effect of sending me on a search for voices/thoughts that might more directly acknowledge necessity of both. One interest I had was locating thoughts that identified and worked with the concept of "subtle generalized trauma" such as is experienced by everyone, all 'stations', due to dominant and enduring cultural beliefs and structures. Nothing less than the 'shock', for example, that each child experiences when first realizing unconditional compassion and justice "do not exist".

      I didn't find exactly what I was looking for but did find this essay by Roger Gottlieb: http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/justice-and-trauma-reflections-on-terrorism-and-empire. I offer it for what it may contribute. (Warning to any annoyed at anything that smacks of 'spiritual' – this does, but is not, as they say, "religious".) ….


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      • Maggie123

        … a 2nd ENE 'spark' the same day, that sent me on an internet walk-about, came from aigeezer and Ho Taters as followup to a comment by Aftershock. "County Joe" was mentioned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBdeCxJmcAo). I followed the link and while on YouTube, re-visited other anti-war music of the time.

        Threw me back, of course, to the vision of possibility embedded in the 60's counter-culture. Then, and now, (and many times previously) 'uprising voices' give proof that the child's shock, when learning unconditional compassion and justice do not exist, does *not* eradicate individual intrinsic belief in possibility of both!

        As the 21xt came and went, I caught brief reminder via internet of the literal meaning of 'apocalypse': “An apocalypse (Ancient Greek: … meaning 'un-covering'), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation, …” (Wikip).

        Certainly accurate to say we are in an 'apocalyptic age'! That – married to intrinsic belief in possibility – married to unavoidable role of activist effort – is as good encouragement as any, IMO, to plant trees, save wilderness and its creatures, challenge corrupt patterns of hierarchy and power, and to air truth of abuses and outrage, wherever we find them. To avoid, as best as possible, betrayal of the child's intrinsic vision.

        ENE : Thank you all! :)


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Maggie123, your insight is brilliant, btw.

        "subtle generalized trauma" such as is experienced by everyone, all 'stations', due to dominant and enduring cultural beliefs and structures. Nothing less than the 'shock', for example, that each child experiences when first realizing unconditional compassion and justice "do not exist".

        And, what comes to mind for me, of course, is your idea that we are capable of it regardless of it's absence. Happy Solstice!


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  • aigeezer aigeezer

    Increased Net censorship approved by 89 countries.

    From Google's Vint Cerf: "Some governments sought to use the recent meeting of the International Telecommunication Union in Dubai to increase censorship and regulation of the Internet. At the conclusion of the meeting last Friday, 89 countries signed the treaty, while 55 countries said they would not sign or that additional review was needed."

    Nice link: http://www.freeandopenweb.com

    What did your country do?

    http://www.itu.int/osg/wcit-12/highlights/signatories.html

    Note, by the way, that even if your country did not yet sign, they might just be hiding behind "additional review is needed" until the fuss dies down a bit.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Assange to UN: 'It is time for the US to cease its persecution of WikiLeaks' (VIDEO)

    http://rt.com/news/assange-addresses-un-human-rights-069/

    Open post ..no opinion implied.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Sorry..older post
    .
    Assange: WikiLeaks to release over a million new docs in 2013

    http://rt.com/news/assange-wikileaks-christmas-speech-511/


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  • VanneV anne

    I think all violence on TV and in the movies including Saturday morning cartoons contribute to the violence in our society. Saturday morning cartoons are especially horrible because they show the killed person getting up after the violence. Blurring the distinctions between reality and fantasy is going to be harmful to some children, especially whose grasp of reality is further diminished by the use of prescribed psychotropic drugs. Why does our culture allow advertising of drugs on TV and elsewhere?

    Over and over again our culture says that profit is more important than individual lives. If we want to stop the senseless and barbaric killing, we have to change our culture. Why did congress allow the ban on assault rifles to expire? Why do we allow the weapons dealers to rule the world? Why do we allow individuals to make so much money selling legal and illegal drugs that destroy innocent lives?

    Violent video games under scrutiny after Newtown, Conn. school shootings
    “’Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it,’ Rockefeller said. ‘They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians and psychologists know better.’…”
    http://newyork.newsday.com/business/violent-video-games-under-scrutiny-after-newtown-conn-school-shootings-1.4362377


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  • VanneV anne

    Controversial H5N1 influenza work likely to resume
    “…International flu experts, research funders and public-health officials met on Monday and Tuesday this week at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, Maryland to discuss the future of the work — so-called gain-of-function experiments that change the properties of what is called highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1 in ways that might make it more transmissible and infectious in humans, in order to investigate the possible natural evolution of the virus….”
    http://www.nature.com/news/controversial-h5n1-influenza-work-likely-to-resume-1.12089


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    It's Friday Dec. 21…I looked out the window…
    I saw a ball of fire…UMMM…
    Never mind…It was just the sun….Good Morning…


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Contamination event at Oak Ridge Depleted Uranium Recycling Facility

    CLICK>>http://enformable.com/2012/12/contamination-event-at-oak-ridge-depleted-uranium-recycling-facility/


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  • richard richard

    "Prosecutor charges 3 with felony murder in Richmond Hill explosion"

    Monserrate Shirley, whose Southside home exploded, killing two of her neighbors, was charged, along with her boyfriend, Mark Leonard, and his brother, Robert Leonard. They were taken into custody this morning, prosecutors said.

    Authorities say the trio released gas into the house by opening or removing the regulator valve on the home’s gas fireplace. Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said a microwave oven set on a timer was used to ignite the gas.

    Curry said they also tried and failed to blow up the house the weekend before the explosion.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20121221/NEWS/121221007/Prosecutor-charges-3-with-felony-murder-in-Richmond-Hill-explosion

    r: hate to say 'i told you so'.

    http://enenews.com/police-we-just-dont-know-what-caused-massive-indiana-explosion-witness-i-dont-know-how-a-gas-leak-could-do-that-kind-of-damage-feds-joining-investigation-video/comment-page-1#comment-304587


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  • vital1 vital1

    Radioactive Rabbit Trapped At Hanford Nuclear Reservation In Washington, Workers Search For Contaminated Droppings

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/05/radioactive-rabbit-trappe_n_779513.html


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  • VanneV anne

    Deep Fiji earthquake:

    4.5 2012/12/21 09:26:52 -20.151 -176.322 234.7 FIJI REGION


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  • VanneV anne

    MAP: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40.php
    Magnitude
    5.0
    Date-Time
    • Friday, December 21, 2012 at 08:07:18 UTC
    • Friday, December 21, 2012 at 05:07:18 PM at epicenter •
    Location
    38.602°N, 141.912°E
    Depth
    35.3 km (21.9 miles)
    Region
    NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
    Distances
    54 km (33 miles) SSE of Ofunato, Japan
    56 km (34 miles) ENE of Ishinomaki, Japan
    63 km (39 miles) ENE of Yamoto, Japan
    68 km (42 miles) E of Wakuya, Japan
    This earthquake is 26.3 mi (42.36 km) NE from Onagawa) Nuclear Power Plant
    This earthquake is 31.4 mi (50.52 km) NW from March 11 earthquake 9.0
    http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html
    Onagawa nuclear power plant: 38°24′04″N 141°29′59″E
    march 11, 9.0 38.322°N 142.369°E


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  • VanneV anne

    Japan is Sinking 1,000 times greater than in the previous fiscal year
    December 19, 2012

    “…The ministry says Kesennuma in Miyagi Prefecture sank deepest by 73.8 centimeters, followed by Ichikawa in Chiba by 30.9 centimeters. Tsukuba in Ibaraki sank by 15.2 centimeters….”
    http://beforeitsnews.com/japan-earthquake/2012/12/japan-is-sinking-1000-times-greater-than-in-the-previous-fiscal-year-2440344.html


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  • VanneV anne

    Magnitude 4.7
    Date-Time

    Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 06:20:23 UTC
    Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 03:20:23 PM at epicenter

    Location 41.369°N, 142.620°E
    Depth 34.9 km (21.7 miles)
    Region HOKKAIDO, JAPAN REGION
    Distances

    135 km (84 miles) NE (44°) from Hachinohe, Honshu, Japan
    163 km (101 miles) ESE (105°) from Hakodate, Hokkaido, Japan
    170 km (106 miles) ENE (69°) from Aomori, Honshu, Japan
    681 km (423 miles) NNE (21°) from TOKYO, Japan


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    The uppers shed tears for the children at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
    They want change, and there are things that can be changed. However, why do they want to focus on the 2nd amendment? You can't bare arms with water pistols against the heavily armed.

    Where are the tears for the many children who will have some type of cancer due to the radiation from Nuclear Plants.
    Where are the changes from this?
    What about taking away the right to build these killing monsters?

    Taylor Swift New Single 'Ronan' Stand Up To Cancer 2012 Performance

    CLICK>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS7JrI-JPOc


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  • Mack Mack

    Happy Holidays everyone. Thank you admin. (ENENews deserves a Pulitzer Prize)

    http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/emerald1927/Christmas/Falling_Snow_450.gif


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      and Merry Christmas to you too Mack! May the goddess bless you and yours on this most sacred of ancient observances. I'm sure admin will forgive my transgressions in wishing all of the enenews crowd a blessed, safe and fulfilling up-coming year…


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Mack, Thank You and a Merry Christmas to you also, and to all

      AFTERSHOCK, a blessed, safe and fulfilling up-coming year sounds good to me thank you, back at you and to everyone.

      Remember all…Don't drink and drive.
      Crash where you are at, and not on the road.


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    some intel for the enenews crowd…

    Head of national nuke security agency departing

    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Head-of-national-nuke-security-agency-departing-4140729.php


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    A Year In Pictures 2012..

    http://slideshow.nbcnews.com/slideshow/news/the-year-in-pictures-2012-50239311/

    PS..18 being my new screen saver.
    Ahh.. the life..LOL


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    • richard richard

      yes Heart, that's what all these prophecies are about, exploiting and fleecing the gullible and those who use assisted thinking.

      nice article, good find.

      The nukers want their atomic bombs so they can create armageddon and bring forth the 'second coming'. what are seriously bad joke.


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  • VanneV anne

    MAP: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/145_40.php
    Magnitude
    4.7
    Date-Time
    • Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 10:54:27 UTC
    • Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 07:54:27 PM at epicenter
    Location
    42.179°N, 142.622°E
    Depth
    9.8 km (6.1 miles)
    Region
    HOKKAIDO, JAPAN REGION
    Distances
    26 km (16 miles) SE of Shizunai, Japan
    94 km (58 miles) SSW of Obihiro, Japan
    97 km (60 miles) ESE of Tomakomai, Japan
    101 km (62 miles) SSW of Otofuke, Japan
    This earthquake is 93.4 mi (150.3 km) NNE from Higashidōri Nuclear Power Plant
    This earthquake is 109.7 mi (176.6 km) NNE from Rokkasho reprocessing plant
    http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html
    Higashidōri Nuclear Power Plant
    41°11′17″N 141°23′25″E
    Rokkasho reprocessing plant :
    40.917N 141.333E


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