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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Heart

      My opinion is that they are spot on. Just ask yourself the question, who else was present and was killed when Gabby Giffords was shot? The answer is always available if you read the list.


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  • ncmissouri

    No offense intended, Heart of the Rose, but I'd put the veterans today site as the last thing to read about anything. They actually verbally threatened to "whack" me. They don't like truth unless they can play with it first.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Well..I only post for discussion..so all opinions welcome.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Technically..I'm wrapping packages…

    Ellie Goulding covers 'Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLR_JrNij4A


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  • ncmissouri

    This is so cool.


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  • kalidances

    Napoleonville/Assumption Parish residents:

    If you are asked to evacuate, please leave! Do not wait to be told.

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/napoleonville-la/70390/weather-warnings/333447


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  • Sickputer

    This is in response to Johnny B on the recent Okinawa thread:

    Johnny… I am so sorry your wife and you are going through such cancer hell.

    My father-in-law just died December 19 from stage-4 liver cancer. He got his cancer from Hepatitis C contracted from his late wife. Her Hep-C came from a heart transplant (young Korean-American who died from motorcycle injuries). Ar least we think he was the source or perhaps some of the blood transfusions. In any event the transplant hospital didn't test for Hep-C in 1994. She died in 2007 from complications of cirrhosis liver failure. Her 13-year-old heart was still good, but the infected blood destroyed her liver and five years later my wife's dad suffered the same fate.

    The docs obviously knew the young donor had Hep-C and she was within a week or less from dying from her heart condition. So we can accept they "saved" her for a few years (although her last 7 years were terribly painful). But why did they wait 10 years to even notify the family she had Hep-C? By that time her husband was far down the road in his as yet undiagnosed hepatitis.

    It's all because of this frenetic desire to prolong life, even for people as old as Dick Chaney. But do you think he got a diseased heart donor? Unlikely. Money talks and bull walks. We saw that with the liver transplants for Mickey Mantle and Steve Jobs.


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    • sentinelle sentinelle

      I'm sorry for your loss, Sickputer.


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    • Sickputer

      Here is an excellent 2005 NYT article (Will Any Organ Do?) on why doctors commonly use diseased organs for transplants:

      Excerpts:

      "The donor pool was different in the early days of transplantation. Beginning in the 60's and through the 80's, a majority of donors were head-trauma victims, people who had been involved in car accidents, botched suicides or tumbles off horses or ladders. These donors were almost all young, between 15 and 45. (In the 80's, few transplant surgeons would take a 50-year-old organ.) They were of average weight, with no history of diabetes, cancer, infectious disease, imprisonment, high blood pressure, cigarette-smoking habits, tattoos (which have been associated with blood-borne illnesses) or unsafe sexual behaviors. The chosen organs, said Klintmalm, who has been in practice for about 25 years, ''were pristine.''

      Conditions began to change in the 90's. Seat-belt use was more common by then, and fewer Americans were dying of head injuries, depriving transplantation of its most reliable sources of pristine organs. At the same time, the demand for transplants was growing.

      l. ''I've had doctors tell me they don't even tell their patients that they're about to get an organ that might be infected with hepatitis C because so many of the donated organs may have it,'' Zink says."

      http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/magazine/10ORGANS.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        So sorry Sickputer. There should be more testing's done.
        Wonder why with all the check ups that is done for a transplant person, they didn't realize that she had contacted Hepatitis C. They probably didn't check for that, and they should have.

        They say it's not about money, transplants are given to those who need it first. However, if you are poor without insurance, try to get one.


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        • Sickputer

          WSP types these pixels of query:

          "Wonder why with all the check ups that is done for a transplant person, they didn't realize that she had contacted Hepatitis C. They probably didn't check for that, and they should have.
          They say it's not about money, transplants are given to those who need it first. However, if you are poor without insurance, try to get one."

          SP: There is little doubt with all their yearly followup checkups that they knew from early after the 1994 transplant she was infected with Hep-C. Yet they waited ten years to mention it because I feel they fear litigation (which my family is not interested in revenge or feeding the legal system more money).

          I understand their reluctance to disclose, but don't think it is ethical or moral. Yes she would have died in 1994 without the heart transplant. But her husband became an unsuspecting victim when with advance notice he was smart enough to avoid Hep-C transmission.

          Then we come to the money part for the hospital system. He kept meticulous records and her total bills were $1 million. Much more expensive now for the transplants. Her transplant costs were nearly 100% covered by insurance. Yet while a few thousand patients get a second chance every year there is a trade-off in less money for uninsured citizens. Our great state's politicians decided to cripple low income women's health care because of personal agendas promoting pro-life. Shakespeare had it right about lawyers. ;-)


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          • WindorSolarPlease

            I'm so sorry Sickputer for you and your family's loss. I just don't think it was right that they did not tell them.

            They shouldn't get away with this. I would have to agree with you, they had to have known.

            Wonder if an organ can be checked out before the transplant?


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            • Sickputer

              The transplant officials say checking cadaver parts for more dangerous conditions is not possible because of a short time frame (less than 48 hours) to keep organs and tissue viable.

              But they do know in many cases they are offering diseased parts and never inform the family. Latest case in point:

              " She delayed her wedding for two years while she waited for a lung transplant to save her from the cystic fibrosis that had claimed her brother’s life.

              The operation was a success, and last autumn an overjoyed Jennifer Wederell walked down the aisle to marry her boyfriend of four years, David.

              Less than a year later, Mrs Wederell was dead, killed by cancer which her family are certain came from the donated lungs – which they found out, too late, had belonged to a 20-a-day smoker."

              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2249189/Cystic-fibrosis-sufferer-Jennifer-Wederell-given-smokers-lungs-transplant-dies-cancer.html#ixzz2G585rkz1


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      I'm sorry for your family's loss SP. I knew you had been with the family at the hospital quite a bit recently but I'd hoped you & your wife would be spared the tragic loss of a close family member especially coming up on the holidays.My thoughts and sympathy's are with you & yours sickputer. Also thank you for the kind words & wishes for my family too.I probably wouldn't have rattled off the long,hard list of the up close & very personal "education" about cancer & the treatment options,etc. had I known your father in law had just passed away-I'm sorry about my timing!
      In closing somehow it doesn't feel right adding the usual holiday greetings or closing but offer best wishes & hope the new year is a prosperous one. Take care


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      I am so sorry for your loss, Sickputer. I wish I was a lawyer and could sue the doctors and hospital that knowingly transplanted a diseased heart. Our courts wouldn't let such a case succeed, but it would worthwhile to put them on trial.


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    • andagi andagi

      Dear Sickputer,
      My heart goes out to you and your family.
      We need more health/wellness education…
      http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1112677584/cdc-hepatitis-c-081712/
      Aloha.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      My thoughts are with you and your family, SickPuter. So very sorry.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Loving kindness, Warm Hearts, And A Stretched Out Hand Of Tolerance.
    All the shinning gifts that make Peace On Earth.

    Merry Christmas

    Always liked this movie

    The Bishop's Wife – 1947 Movie

    CLICK>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUk09rjFRpw


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  • kalidances

    Fukushima weather report:

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/jp/fukushima/1511625/daily-weather-forecast/1511625

    On Tuesday and Wednesday there will be snow.


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    Look, I don't give a f#%k about gun control in the USA or anywhere else for that matter. I don't care for democracy or fascism or capitalism or communism or socialism or any f$%king ism. I don't believe in laws or money or even trade or tax or welfare or guns. I do believe that when all people are evolved enough to get along and function without any of these things, these isms and laws, then there will be peace for evermore. That's what I truly believe to be truth….
    Any comments?


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  • andagi andagi

    Dearest Admin & All,
    Beat wishes this holiday season and for the new year. Take good care!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEvGKUXW0iI
    Aloha.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Red alert issued for Chilean volcano (PHOTOS)

    http://rt.com/news/chile-volcano-alert-raised-692/


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  • Warmest Wishes for All

    Enenews has taught me the wisdom of crowds and the brilliance of crowd sourcing knowledge.

    Although the challenges are great, our information sharing, mutual support, and various forms of activism may yet produce a better future for our children's children.

    Thank you all for your work for peace and justice.

    And thank you for giving me the gift of hope.

    :)


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    • Maggie123

      Anne, thank you. To you, and all ENEers – deep best wishes to you and to all around you.

      Thank you for the link. I send these in return:

      http://youtu.be/6oJAfHatmyE in full well-wishing celebration,

      and

      http://youtu.be/AHKo4NmmvRI in expression or universal longing, with or without literal interpretation.

      and – self-indulgence because it was my privilege and joy to teach this to my young elementary students each year for our school concert: http://youtu.be/aGA6djLsDgs.
      (I called it 'language arts') :)

      A beautiful and delightful season for music!
      Thank you.


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      • VanneV anne

        The music is so beautiful. I used to be an organist and choir director, and have a bachelors and masters degree in Organ Performance.


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        • Maggie123

          Truly beautiful, Anne, and bookmarked for tomorrow and beyond. (I so appreciate playlists!)

          I should think it would be hard at times to viscerally feel your organist and directing experience if you're not doing it any longer – very stirring to be 'triggered back'.

          Do you have opportunity or is it of interest or possible for you to occasionally spend time at the organ? (I have a sister who plays as 'retreat'.)

          For me it has always been all about singing – from childhood around family piano to belting out whatever I'd learned from radio and later musicals and 60's albums. I shamelessly like it all – from tender and graceful to blues and torch with full range of folk styles in-between.

          Christmas hymns and turn of year well-wishing songs are among my strong memories. I learned a number of carols in German also – Lo, How a Rose e're Blooming was a year-around favorite of my Swiss grandmother's.

          It's good to revisit the energies of the season through song, to follow the music's expression of joy and hope of promised light during the dark season.

          I have you to thank, Anne, for getting me going this year! Thank you!

          (We do know, both of us, all here, and many elsewhere – there's much to do, come the next 12 months. Wish it were otherwise, but it is as it is. Best to All Of Us, world around!)


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          • VanneV anne

            My surgery for cancer in 1989 totally disabled me. So I can no longer play the piano or organ. I can still play the piano about once a year.


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            • VanneV anne

              I had many wonderful years of voice lessons from very gifted faculty and students at CU. And I used to sing in choirs for many years.

              But now I avoid cell phones as much as possible including audiences.


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              • Maggie123

                It's quite astonishing to me, that some of us somehow manage to live a string of 'realities', while others seem to begin a particular life and follow it through without strong change.

                Each 'life period' for some of us is so different that each seems almost like a separate life. The solid core of 'myself' is always present – but outwardly, who we may appear to be by our dominant activities in one 'period' may show no clues of a previous period. When I look at my own life I find the changes remarkable.

                It sounds as if your active music period was very very rich and rewarding. I'm mindful too of your academic 'period' or section, (whatever these segments should be called!)

                From your activities here, it seems your present 'period' is equally engaged and thorough! Well done! (I'm sorry that disease was a major disrupting force.)


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              • Radio VicFromOregon

                M123, your words just said it perfectly for me about the "string of 'realities". Great way to put that phenomenon ;-)


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              • Radio VicFromOregon

                Now, this is just sad news, Anne, and i know so many who's surgeries may have saved them or helped them, at least, but, disabled hem as well. I hope you are still singing, if just to an empty room at the very least, because i'm a strong believer in the healing of music – both the making of it and the hearing of it. Like HARRP, it's a wave energy thing, but, for the good.


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Thank you Maggie123 these music video's are beautiful.
        Blessings to you.


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        • Maggie123

          You're welcome WSP – and Deep Best Wishes to you.

          My 2 doggies sensibly went to their sleeping spots some time ago – they're much more self-responsible than I it seems … I'm going to take a cue from them and close for the night.

          Good Dreams to you WSP, and to all! (I guess I don't actually know where you are! In the States I think? So wishing you good dreams is fitting?) :)


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          • WindorSolarPlease

            Yes Maggie123 I'm in the US. Our two little pups are sleeping also. Sometimes, I think they are smarter and nicer than some humans can be.
            Sweet dreams.


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  • razzz razzz

    When [the Magi] had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. Get up, he said, take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him. So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."[5] When Herod realised that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more."


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  • Maggie123

    razzz – The last line of your post triggers for me powerful photo images of mothers (and fathers in some cases) holding their dead children who have been killed by artillery blasts on homes and villages.

    "A voice is heard .., weeping and great mourning, .. weeping for ..children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more."

    Tried to find a link to one or two photos but only found collections with main emphasis on soldier experience – to hard to easily direct to a single photo of a grieving mother holding her child. We must do whatever we can to stop the unthinkable stupidity of war and drones – maybe in 2013?


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Quote:
      stop the unthinkable stupidity of war and drones

      Agree Maggie123


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Oh, Maggie123…once again so perceptive. There are so few pictures of the grieving parents, the frightened children…almost always just resting or wounded or fighting soldiers. Of course, many of them are banned by governments, just as photos of the US soldier coffins arriving are banned here. It was the photo essay Vietnam by Felix Greene banned in the US that my brother helped smuggle over the border from Canada (yeah) and became our workbook as part of our antiwar activism. We'd show the pictures to people, and that was enough.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Syria Uses "Chemical Weapons" On The Rebels

    CLICK>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-sklXvgnNs


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    US deploying troops to 35 African countries

    http://rt.com/usa/news/us-deploying-troops-order-749/

    Now…we now what some of the wives are getting read for.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Heart

      "according to the AP’s update this week, soldiers will be sent overseas in the new year to assist only with training and equipping efforts, and are not necessarily permitted to participate in military operations."

      Wasn't that how we started in Viet Nam? Being facetious. I know we would only be there to protect "US interests" in rare earths, etc.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        There is no other purpose for the US to be in Africa..other than STEAL resources..and force people to accept our doctrines.

        Voluntarily..and of course…if you don't…
        They send in the State Dept…etc.

        Voluntary Principles on Security and Human Rights

        http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/fs/2012/202314.htm

        This organization spews a lot of talk about human rights..has a lot of NGO's tied into it.
        It's designed to protect corporate interests.

        Coming to your town soon..heads up..Louisiana..it's already there.


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        • VanneV anne

          China in Africa: The battle for resources
          "In less than a year, in countries such as Sudan, Angola and Ethiopia, which had been accustomed to crumbling transport infrastructure for decades, the Chinese built highways that connected the major urban centres with rural communities.
          "Springing up alongside these physical connections, were Chinese mobile telephone networks spreading connectivity throughout the continent, while Chinese communication satellites beamed information to a waiting population. In the markets of cities, fanning out into the most remote corners of the countryside, the rise of Chinese retail traders and low-cost imported goods meant that many Africans could afford new clothes, shoes, radios and watches for the first time in their lives," writes Chris Alden in his book, China in Africa.
          "’Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day, but teach him how to fish and you will feed him for a lifetime.’ This old Chinese saying lies behind much of the motivation for China's investment in Africa in recent years – the African continent is rich in natural resources, from copper in Zambia and iron ore in Gabon to oil in Nigeria and gold and diamonds in South Africa. Instead of just buying these raw materials and precious goods, China has offered investments in the countries' infrastructure in exchange for their riches. African politicians also acquired new parliament buildings, presidential palaces and sport stadiums, all built virtually overnight.


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        • VanneV anne

          China seizes TVs, satellite equipment in Tibetan area
          BEIJING | Thu Dec 27, 2012
          “(Reuters) – Chinese authorities have confiscated televisions from 300 monasteries in a heavily Tibetan part of the west of the country and dismantled satellite equipment that broadcast "anti-China" programs, prompted by Tibetan self-immolations in the region.
          “Some 94 Tibetans, including 81 this year, have set themselves on fire in protest against Chinese rule. Five self-immolations occurred in Tibetan-dominated Huangnan prefecture in Qinghai province, the state-run Qinghai news agency said on Thursday.
          “The government in Huangnan said its approach in tackling self-immolations comprised of ‘guiding public opinion on the Dalai issue’, increasing patrols and ‘blocking outside harmful information’, according to the news agency, which is managed by the Qinghai government….”
          http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/27/us-china-tibet-idUSBRE8BQ02O20121227


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..getting ready for..Africa..this will be a dirty one.


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    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      quote from the article "the AP reports that Uncle Sam will try to avoid giving the impression that the United States is leaving a substantial footprint across the continent."

      Lol , the WORLD is full of US military bases. I'm sure they will obey the logic of who needs their help first/the most instead of going the most resource rich order . / end sarcasme


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    Media Manipulation: Father of Sandy Hook Victim Asks ‘Read the Card?’ Seconds Before Press Conference

    http://theintelhub.com/2012/12/20/media-manipulation-father-of-sandy-hook-victim-asks-read-the-card-seconds-before-press-conference/


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    fun stuff…

    renowned atheist Richard Dawkins on whether religion is a force for good or evil.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/general/2012/12/2012121791038231381.html


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    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      If the question is "Is it black or white ?" , the answer is usually grey . Its both .


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      • Maggie123

        I've astonished for a long time that both sides of the 'god debate' seem to want/need to cling to "there is a little old man in the sky" or "there is no such entity". Definition of 'god' seems a better place to start IMO, but so far I've not heard the definition tackled! :)

        A pretty good interview, though – lively! :)


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        • richard richard

          Hi Maggie. For me, I actually don't really care what people want to believe in this issue. That's never been the thing that raises my attention – unless forced into an argument.

          For me, it's the spam that gets under my nose. When people advertise their product/ideologue without me asking for it is the area where it gets black. And I see simple statements like 'Oh my gawd' as spam by the way.

          The other part of the issue for me is the discrimination that begins once someone establishes their allegiance to a particular diety. Statements like 'XXX' is love, or, 'find happiness with XXX', or 'you must know XXX to be blessed/atoned''; those statements say that unless I follow XXX I am less of a being.

          Anyway, I may have dwelled a bit from the OT, I just saw an opportunity to explain my thoughts on religious dogma a little.


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          • Maggie123

            My 'take' is not far off from yours, Richard – although I don't attribute religious belief with common popular phrases, such as "Blessings," as a well-wishing statement.

            To me, such words offer genuinely heart-felt care that is rooted to a 'deeper, wider' wisdom than any religious program. It's my experience this well-wishing language is in common vocabulary and comes from people with no special religious affiliation as well as, of course, from religious people.

            If I think someone is on a 'political mission' related to religious beliefs, I find it hard not to challenge. I went through a monumental life-process to dis-entangle myself from negative effects of religious teachings – I strongly resist these teachings finding their way into social/political policy!

            All in all, I easily understand why bringing religion into public discussion is not a good plan. :) And … I appreciate your watchfulness very much!


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            • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              I think the universe/multyverse/infiniverse with all its wonderfull dynamics and shapes is the body , the combined collective consciousness of everything might be the mind , interacting with matter true dark energy/matter/magnetic fields or whatever. My personal shape and identity config will be broken down and spread out , but every litle bit of what i'm made of (basicly energy/matter switching states) will always be an
              interwoven part of that big ONE living field/matrix of conscious energy. There is no escaping that LOL Phenomena like profeths etc are like attempts of white bloodcells of a different organisme on a different scale we are just part off. :)
              I don't care if its literally true , it works for me , it does not make me incompatible with reality as we experience it in daily life and it allows me to think freely about whatever…without being controlled by fear and retaliation.


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              • Maggie123

                DID – "I think the universe/multyverse/infiniverse with all its wonderfull dynamics and shapes is the body , the combined collective consciousness of everything might be the mind , interacting with matter true dark energy/matter/magnetic fields or whatever.."

                Sounds about right to me! :)


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                • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  Personally i wish i could say it better Maggie , but a real sharp semi-visual picture that can be painted with words occured only a few times in life , then it fades away with all its details. What stay's is a "sense" . But thank you :)


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                  • richard richard

                    hi maggie and DID. I just caught the follow up to this thread.

                    it would seem we are all in reasonable agreement with life, the universe and everything else.

                    And Maggie, I can appreciate words like 'blessed' etc can hold true and meaningful value in life. I use them myself, cautiously. As in, I don't setup myself to write in a gospel manner.

                    Hope, wish, try, are also words that raise some of my attention. When used well, they hold great context, other times, they are abused as an excuse for inaction.

                    I think it's yoda who says, 'there is no 'try', there is only do, or do not'.

                    Not bad words from yet another fiction :)

                    And yes DID, the interconnected pandimensionalism of it all is just like, like, one :) I'm certainly into it. It would take another blog to cover it. Spirals are one of my favs. But it's another story.

                    I'm just raving a little, nice to see where the thread went. cheers.


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                    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Thank you richard and Maggie too for the fine and positive toughts , feels like Blessings to me ;) .
                      Hope you are having or had a nice rave , since we are part of one body and one collectif consciousness , always build of many , building many , i'm sure everyone's vibes are sensed in the matrix . Let it be good ones , it can only benefit me in the end , says the projected neandertaler that longs to live in a healthy , happy matrix. :) ;) :)


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  • razzz razzz

    A temporary return to simpler times, the comments and pictures are heartwarming…

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2972185/posts


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Mayan Prophecy: A New Beginning.

    http://www.scmp.com/photos/recent/all/1110659

    Folks need to refer to the manual next time…lolol


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    SMASH THE BUSINESS MODEL! This post carried on from "experts call cleanup in Japan meaningless"
    I wonder what condition the biosphere would be in if every household on the planet kept the latest computer/internet hardware, current car, clothes washing machine, TV and hi tech gadgets, disposable packaged everyday items, etc, etc, …….
    What type of environment would we would all have to endure if everyone on the planet were brought up(or down)(depending on how you look at it) to the level of consumption that just about everyone viewing this web site has. TOXIC POLLUTED HELL I reckon.
    And I wonder if the planet could sustain its entire workable population working flat out from 9 to 5, 5-6 days a week, all "competing" with each other to produce the most, the BEST. Is there possibly room for everyone to do that?…….


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      your fears are not unfounded but predicated on several misconceptions: unless determined by them, those at the top of the control grid simply love our buying into the idea that growth is dangerous. So, while they expand their idea and spheres of influence, they ask that we return to the potato fields.

      Next, it is arrogant on the part of first-world people to think others are not entitled to the same living standards and technology. A ideological schism, BTW, that continues to impede any workable international law that addresses issues concerning growth's impact on the environment. Fact is, these same developing countries justify their resource exploitation (humans included), for precisely the reason that we've done what we did to the world around us! Suggesting that others should continue to wash dishes down by the stream is, at best, patronizing.

      I would suggest that we determine the fundamental needs of a human and then structure our socioeconomic goals around them. As humans need a healthy environment to survive within, technologies that impact that environment in a deleterious manner would be phased-out and prohibited for use within the planet's biosphere.

      So, you'll have to emigrate to the stars if you can't give-up your disco ball…


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        quote A.S "I would suggest that we determine the fundamental needs of a human and then structure our socioeconomic goals around them."

        Its been done ,
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs ?

        "As humans need a healthy environment to survive within, technologies that impact that environment in a deleterious manner would be phased-out and prohibited for use within the planet's biosphere."

        (IF) surviving is priority then i would asap start determing what our enviroment NEEDS to become Healthy (capable of generating/regenerating life ) again or as much as possible , then go from there to see what kind of surplus above food we can still allow ourselfes . Because the longer the bickering and denial and negotiations with truth goes on , the smaller the "future comfortzone" becomes . And sinds we on borrowed time .. , but again IF .

        "So, you'll have to emigrate to the stars if you can't give-up your disco ball…"
        And as long that they don't damage the environment and those that stay behind any further in the proces of getting away , or they can hitchhike in to a black hole with the waste.


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        • Maggie123

          DID – Maslow, of course!!! Your post caused me to have one of those 'slap my own forehead' moments. I've been going on and on for years and have hardly ever used Maslow's hierarchy as the most instructive "society building" focal point. An 'addendum' to Maslow's hierarchy is understanding that anyone who is at a 'higher level' on the hierarchy may be carrying incomplete success at one of the lower levels (and may have learned to cope regardless). An unfulfilled level can be source of "issues" as one moves along. I'd say you and Aftershock have have identified *the* task-focus of the 21stC! :)


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            @Maggie123: when you've realized a healthy environment, the needs of all others naturally follow…

            They were quick to assume responsibility for our children's future, by claiming 'education' was paramount to their 'survival' in a 'modern' world. Our acquiescence only afforded them means towards collective indoctrination over succeeding generations of blank slates. It was never – ever – about producing independent thinking machines; it was about producing functional – compliant – workers. The protecting their bodies from the byproducts of that 'modern' world is met with steely silence. At every level within our 'modern' world, depravity is now the coin of the realm. Not even death is seen as being a natural consequence of existence.

            If we're to return to any semblance of being an intelligent species, we must take what we've learned and apply it to our return to nature. All other interests must be relegated to those who go forth from this world.

            It's interesting to look at when Maslow was doing his work. You'd almost think someone foresaw a time when we'd need such wisdom; like George Booles' empirical influence over this medium…


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          excellent thoughts DID. I didn't see your post, so forgive my not having responded sooner.

          Balance will be found when we apply as much concern to the world about us, as that we have for ourselves. Those at the top have already undertaken this process. They quietly observed that we're incapable of detaching ourselves from immediate gratification; resulting now in our being dragged – kicking-and-screaming – into a future that benefits the 'greater good'. (Dust-off a copy of Brave New World, if you want a sense of what's coming.) What they'll never admit is, they were instrumental in the dumbing-down of those they now sneer upon. In truth, there never would have been consensus in our age. We're (obviously) running out of time.

          And those who choose to ignore their obligations to that which surrounds them, have already been absorbed into the black hole…


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      • Maggie123

        Aftershock – your instruction is perfectly worded: "I would suggest that we determine the fundamental needs of a human and then structure our socioeconomic goals around them.".

        It's a bit long for a bumper sticker – but may be the best 'thought nudger' I've come across for a long time, possibly ever!


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        • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Maybe the country's of this world that are somewhat reading here and listening for the right reasons can start making an enquete to figure out what the precise relation/dependency is between its citizens and certain technolgy . To figure out what bad technology can be faded out sooner and witch ones later , with peacefull consent of an informed public , for example plastic , combustion engines , gmo (lol) etc . The addiction list as it were .
          Or individuals making a list for themselves .


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          • Maggie123

            Speaking of combustion engines – I keep meaning to bring up alcohol as fuel. It's my understanding that the very earliest combustion engines in the states were fueled by alcohol – which was available from householders as stills were not yet prohibited. As I understand it, Rockefeller was marketing kerosene and discarding by-products, which included gasoline – and as does make sense, he wondered if it could be sold for useful purpose. One idea quickly led to another and soon stills were outlawed and combustion engines ran on gasoline. SO my thinking is that we need to re-consider home production of alcohol. How many apple trees would be needed to fuel one car for ordinary travel in a year? I suppose the alcohol fueled vehicles would not have the immense horsepower of large industrial machines (bulldozers, etc.) but have no idea. At the very least, we could have routine transportation and it would be a good excuse to plant more apple trees! :)


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            • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              I'm not enthousiastic about the food for fuel route , so i would like to skip it all togheter and think electric cars and solar on every rooftop + wind etc . But i guess in the fading process it can have its moment maybe untill every combustion engine on the planet can be checked for electric replacement .


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          though I was unaware of it Maggie123, that was precisely what Maslow was attempting to do in his work. I studied behavioral psychology as a child. But due to its speculative nature, I lost interest in the entire field of psychology. The likes of Freud leave a querulous taste in ones mouth (Jungian symbolic cigar pun intended). Just the same, I won't refuse the flowers and belatedly accept them on behalf the honorable thinking machine, Abraham Maslow…


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  • VanneV anne

    Would you eat biotech fish? FDA approves genetically engineered salmon

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038469_GM_salmon_FDA_approval.html#ixzz2GA997Ji2


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  • VanneV anne

    New study: Infants receiving the most vaccines are the most likely to be hospitalized and die

    “(NaturalNews) A new study, published in Human and Experimental Toxicology, a peer-reviewed journal indexed by the National Library of Medicine, analyzed more than 38,000 reports of infant hospitalizations and deaths following vaccinations.[1] Researchers found statistically significant correlations between the number of vaccine doses administered to infants and infant hospitalization and mortality rates: babies who receive the most vaccines tend to have higher (worse) hospitalization and death rates….”

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038457_vaccine_injuries_infant_deaths_scientific_study.html#ixzz2GAAGaRK8


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Reuters News Agency Reports Massive Fireball Strikes Marquesas Islands On 12-21-12
    Posted on December 21, 2012

    http://inothernewz.com/reuters-news-agency-reports-massive-fireball-strikes-marquesas-islands-on-12-21-12/


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    • richard richard

      This article appears to be a hoax. There is no such 'reuters' story.

      Scam. Playing on 21/12/12 paranoia.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        as usual, you are correct on this richard. I immediately researched it and came up with nothing to substantiate the story. You could tell from the image it was bogus. Still, anything to keep us from recognizing the real 'fire' that's daily raining-down on us all…


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        • richard richard

          yes, shock, the photo is a beautiful 'qualifier' distraction. If people don't look, simply glance (as the web tends to make us do), suddenly one plus two equals fore.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            that, richard, is precisely how they're undermining the credibility of the 'net. I observed long ago, if I used the 'net to contribute a dollar to any Arab-based freedom fighters, I'd have every intelligence/LEO group drawing my intestines out through my asshole with a flattened clothes hanger (an old 'agency' technique). Yet, notice all the endless scams and cons that go 'unnoticed' out here? Gives clue to the who and whys…


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          quick postscript. Anthony is a good guy and my comments are not intended to impugn his work out here. Like we're all apt to do from time-to-time, he may have launched this one without first having dialed-in the reentry coordinates…


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          • richard richard

            i totally agree, i am not trying to discredit anthony or even anne for the follow thru. i simply feel a need to keep information valid and cross-checked, no harm intended.

            and sorry in advance for when i have done or do make the same mistake.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              you've got me rolling over here richard! I'm gonna use that 'sorry in advance' clause, myself. "Your honor…if you'll look here at this document, you can see how it indemnifies me – before – I went into the bank with the gun…" Might also go over good in…confession? "Forgive me Lord for the horrors I am about to commit against my fellow man." Oh yeah…we're on a roll…


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              • richard richard

                well if we're gonna get busted for pre-crime, we should at least have some indecent thoughts and disclaimers prepared.

                :)


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  that's their latest game, richard. To take socioeconomic criteria as evidence of an individuals 'stability'. They're gathering everything, from financial records to marital status, for analysis. So, rather than look into the cause for an individual's (or, an entire society's) unraveling, they'll simply continue expending billions towards endless interdiction; what we can refer to as 'band-aide' law enforcement. Such 'law enforcement' effort is evidence they're really about growing the problem, as means of empowering themselves; much as they've done with the so-called 'war on drugs'. I liken it to 'midnight basketball' for the military-police-surveillance state…


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          • Anthony Anthony

            Thanks guys, no sweat here! What actually has my attention on topic more so is the number of other published stories of earthbound item activity. I respect the check and cross check flavor of this blog. It is a choice to be an ass or not about it!


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Japanese man Jiroemon Kimura to become oldest living man ever on record
    A Japanese man aged 115, was expected to become the oldest living man ever on record on Thursday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9766378/Japanese-man-Jiroemon-Kimura-to-become-oldest-living-man-ever-on-record.html


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    RFID Included In Obamacare

    No Thank You..I'm Not Cattle to Get Tagged

    CLICK>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6dz0gXzNM4&list=UU4SH8rh0OjYV3zwqnIfqNbA


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      ALERT – Obamacare mandates FDA-approved implantable RFID chips!

      How to find this law and what's in it…this is interesting

      Click>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzl-4jDI3Q


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        BTW..Drop off your guns now, they'll protect you…Sarc…


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @WindorSolarPlease

        But did you actually read it??? You probably already know that RFID chips are already in the newer passports…and they don't tell you until they have done it…. Customs can actually read your material before you arrive.


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        • WindorSolarPlease

          Hi NoPrevarication

          Yes I know they are in passports and other things. I'm not happy about this, it's just one more thing that takes away my privacy and it's preparing people for the implant chip.

          What I really don't like is, Obamacare "mandates" FDA-approved "implantable RFID chips"


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    • Maggie123

      Hi WSP – I wondered about the RFID chip concern. Haven't checked far but Snopes gives the claim a 'fail'. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

      I *do* think the 'concept' could turn out to have appeal in decades to come, perhaps in many nations. It will make sense in a "Star Trek" technology world is my thought. An improvement on diabetes and allergy bracelets?

      From where I sit in this time and place, I'd rather take my chances with a 'cold' less informed diagnosis if/when need arises. But we've got a strong micro-manage 'let technocrats prevail' mentality in many minds of the 'uppers' as you so wonderfully call them. :)


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Thank you Maggie123 ..I hope you are right, because I never want to be tagged like cattle, plus it's against my belief to get marked.

        I call them uppers, because they have the upper hand in making the laws and setting the stage of things.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Exporting lethal surveillance tech: UK asked to investigate spyware firm

    http://rt.com/news/uk-firm-surveillance-export-916/
    Interesting first comment:

    "Since Finspy is only sold after consulting the British government, that makes British government a partner of Bahrain dictator murdering freedom protesters. When we will see them behind bars ? 20 years ago they sold chemical weapons to Saddam who wiped out Kurdish villages with them…did we see anyone go to jail?European states should shut up when it comes to mass murder because they sell the technology to every ruthless tyrant."


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Occupy protests targeted by FBI counterterror units

    CLICK>>http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/12/27/poli-d27.html


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Corporations who have hurt our environment, the bankers/wall street who have hurt the public financially, and Corporations who start business in other Countries taking away US jobs, just so they can make a higher profit.
      These are the ones who should be targeted by the FBI

      Where has the US growth gone, the infrastructure? Where are the jobs? Look at our environment with radiation, toxic chemicals in the air.

      Why are both party's fighting instead of working together to make things better. Do they want to go over the fiscal cliff?

      It's simple, you use the money from those who can afford it because you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.


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    • richard richard

      The FBI monitoring Occupy comes as no surprise. The group (and any dissident) should never expect anything less and should always plan accordingly. Expect spies as well.

      In some way though, Occupy, or any group, could simply embrace agencies. Talk and coordinate with agencies and there may actually be some cooperation.

      I'm bound to be missing something, but if OWS said to FBI, 'hey, we are planning xyz action, can you help with security and other contingencies?' then that's just keeping your 'enemies' closer, isn't it.

      I may be having a rose tinted glasses moment.


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi richard

        The FBI is made up of people who are just regular people that work for the Federal Government. There are many there who understand. However, they have a job and they will do there job to the laws that are being made, even if some laws are questionable to our constitutional right.

        There is a lot of FBI people who have done so much good and we don't give them enough credit.

        I just wish they could also look more into their own back yards.
        The thought of there are those who are big that are hurting our environment, those hurting the public and Country financially/ the economy, who think only of their own profit no matter what, and those who have power/control issues has me concerned.

        I live in this Country I want to see growth, and I haven't seen that in awhile. I see people hurting more, struggling from Month to Month, I look around and even our towns are getting to look old, and so on.

        I do understand they have to look at groups of people to see if they are a threat. That's why we have them.
        I just think the big time uppers need to be looked at also. They scare me more, because they have the power that can either make us or break us.

        Right now, it feels like the uppers are breaking us, maybe it's just that I am old, or maybe there is a crack in my rose tinted glasses.


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  • many moons

    "Do they want to go over the fiscal cliff?"
    What would be the advantage of that happening….for the 1%?


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    • VanneV anne

      “From McConnell’s perspective, the White House will have to pare back its demands for tax increases [for those making more than $250,00 a year] if Republicans will concede the fight and risk the wrath from the right. And then President Barack Obama will need to give far more on cuts to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security in order to get some GOP cooperation on tax rate hikes, Republican officials say….”

      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/fiscal-cliff-deal-increasingly-unlikely-85511.html#ixzz2GGZFOL6J


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    • Maggie123

      Many moons – "Fiscal cliff as myth" – don't know if you've caught observations that the cliff hype is just that – hype. I've heard alternative economists describe it so. Just now tried to find a link that I've actually heard/read but headlines so full of today's cliff excitement that I've had poor luck.

      As I understood what I've heard – Yes, going into the new year without certain funding matters resolved will have immediate pocket book consequences, particularly for unemployment funding, I think. (Payments at end of Jan would reflect this.)

      Middle tax cuts lost going over the cliff can be restored if the new congress chooses to do so. Similarly the new congress can address unemployment funding (if that's in fact one of the truly felt 'hits'.)

      BUT – "scariest" of all the 'cliff' threats is high income earner tax cuts, and significant cuts to military spending. These are instant consequences.

      By end of Jan. the new congress may be willing to maintain higher taxes on high incomes, and may also be inclined to retain military funding cuts.

      I for one am fed up with legislative panic cries. I don't trust motivations of those who use 'cliff alarm' as metaphor. Others have compared it to stepping off a curb, a slide over time at best that can be addressed.

      Ive not read this, but Bill Moyers is integrity personified, IMO. http://billmoyers.com/content/why-washingtons-fiscal-cliff-is-a-myth/


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    World's Longest Fast Train Line Opens In China

    Click>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhxk7EDDMBo


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  • aigeezer aigeezer

    "House Hunting in Japan", new NY Times spin piece:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/greathomesanddestinations/real-estate-in-japan.html?_r=0

    "Japan is a buyers’ market"

    "… the 2011 earthquake and the resulting fear of radiation contamination…" (the fear, not the reality, ahem).

    "Foreign buyers face no restrictions in Japan"

    Get in while it's hot!


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  • VanneV anne

    The present congress will be replaced on January 1, 2012. The election turn-over doesn't take place until Jan. 1, 2012. The House of Representatives all are elected for just 2 years. So the present House of Representatives, which controls the budget, is now a lame duck session until January 1, 2012. All the previous tax cuts will expire on Dec. 31, 2012. The new Congress will vote after it gets into session, but taxes are not collected until April 15, 2012. Of course, the new House of Representatives is still controlled by the Republicans.

    Two years ago, over the lame duck session, agreed with the Republicans to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Our current laws are by and for the wealthy. Very few legislators are really representing the middle class or the poor. And the appeals courts are many of them elected judges who won their office by huge donations by the wealthy.

    The laws were changed by the Republicans who came to power in 1994 to protect the banks and monopolies such as Bill Gates Microsoft and to allow deceptive accounting practices. We have the Republican legislators and Greenspan to thank for these legal changes that protect the wealthy who gamble at will with the American taxpayers.

    This is also why the LIBOR scandal is so huge and outrageous.


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  • VanneV anne

    Warren Buffett Explains Why He Isn't Freaking Out About The Fiscal Cliff
    “The CBO has issued a report that says the U.S. would go back into a recession if it were to go over the fiscal cliff – over $600 billion in tax and spending provisions set to change on January 1, 2013.
    “In fact the fiscal cliff has rapidly grown to become the number one concern for investors, climbing past Europe's sovereign debt crisis, and China's slowdown.
    “But Warren Buffett, the Oracle of Omaha, told CNNthat he does not think the U.S. will go into a recession. He also thinks president Obama is right in trying to raise $1.6 trillion in revenue…”

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffet-fiscal-cliff-2012-11#ixzz2GIDIlOBP


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    Why it is Not Possible to be Moral and to Work For a Bank

    with video ex-banker 29:11mins

    http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2012/12/why-it-is-not-possible-to-be-moral-and-to-work-for-a-bank/


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Sad day for america as we lose a true modern day heroe. General Schwarzkopf has just passed away. God bless you great warrior, RIP…..


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  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    FYI: Want to tell you I have not been here because I've been quite sick and hospitalized. So far as we know, it is not nuclear related. But I value this site very much and wanted to let you know, I haven't run away. I just haven't been well. Thanks for your continuing good work.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Don't know what it is. Could be a blimp, a new type of air craft, maybe even a UFO, who knows?

    Maybe someone knows what this is?

    Sheilaalien
    Published on Dec 27, 2012

    CLICK>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZREkULEopU


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  • VanneV anne

    China Passes Law Requiring People Identify Selves Online
    “…’Anti-corruption campaigns online have deeply tarnished the party and the government’s image,and social media discussions have increased instability in certain regions,’ said Zhang Zhi’an, an adjunct professor at Sun Yat-sen University in Guangzhou. ‘Enforcing real name registration will make web users more cautious when posting comments online.’…”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-28/china-passes-rules-requiring-people-identify-themselves-online.html


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  • VanneV anne

    “After saying on national TV that its “good” US troops have been committing suicide in record numbers, media mogul and billionaire Ted Turner has penned an apology to clarify his words….
    “In June, the Pentagon reported that more US soldiers were losing their lives to suicide than to enemy forces, with the rate of suicide clocking in at around one-per-day….”
    http://rt.com/usa/news/turner-good-suicide-us-337/


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  • VanneV anne

    Waiting until 2014 to do anything about fracking is shocking:

    After Jackson, EPA faces big decisions on U.S. fracking boom

    “…The controversial technique at the center of the boom, hydraulic fracturing, involves injecting millions of gallons of water laced with chemicals deep into shale rocks to extract oil and gas. It has become a flashpoint issue, putting the EPA — charged with safeguarding the nation's water — in the middle of a fight between environmentalists and the energy industry.
    Both sides now eagerly await a major EPA research project into fracking's effects on water supplies due in 2014, as well as final rules on issues including the disposal of wastewater and the use of 'diesel' chemicals in the process.…”
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/us-epa-fracking-idUSBRE8BR02X20121228


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