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12,382 comments to FORUM: Off-Topic Discussion Thread (Non-Nuclear Issues) for Jan. 5, 2013 – Mar. 25, 2014

  • ENENews

    Thanks for letting me know about the problems accessing this forum Norbu. It should be working now.

    For anyone having problems with the previous OT discussion ( I can get it to work using Firefox but not IE.

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    Hi Admin , thanks for taking good care for the platform and us . It seems i still need to log in for the old page . This one loads fine without, i use FF 17.0.1 .

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Even logged in and using Firefox, I can't get the old page

  • behappy1

    « Older comments link is missing from this page

    the first comment here from ene news has a link, will take u there

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I have FF 17.0.1
      If I log out and log in I still can't see any comments on the old page.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Isn't working with Google Chrome either.

        • behappy1

          strange, maybe it was something u said anne, lol
          is there something i can go back and copy for you

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            I was able to see everything when logged in earlier today. But I can't now. There was one article on Hillary that was "waiting for moderation", not something I said. But I didn't look most of the day. So I don't know what may have happened in the meantime.

            I have Windows Vista. I wonder if that matters.

            Last time I was called down, it wasn't for anything I said. It was just for a video link I posted that someone didn't like.

            • behappy1

              i use vista also , heres the last post
              Heart of the Rose
              January 5, 2013 at 7:59 am · Reply

              My comment is waiting moderation..concerning the EUTIMES story about Hillary being injured..
              One link folks.

              Hillary Clinton interrupted by protester 15.02.2011


              Report Comment

              Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
              January 5, 2013 at 8:03 am · Reply

              ..It's from December 30,2012…
              Clinton Injured…if anyone wants to look it up…sheesh…

              Report Comment

              anne anne
              January 5, 2013 at 1:06 pm · Reply

              I quoted this article above. It is awaiting moderation. But you can see the quote and the link.

              Report Comment

              anne anne
              January 5, 2013 at 1:07 pm · Reply

              See also:

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                Thanks, be happy1. I don't need to see anything I posted recently. I am going through the comment archive to see if I'm missing anything from when I was working om my statistics programming class.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I can see the page. I just can't see any comments.

      • behappy1

        strange, close firefox, then reopen and log back in
        January 4, 2013 at 8:04 pm · Reply

        Obama Warned To Prepare For Hillary Clinton Death
        Jan 2nd, 2013

        lol, how does one do that, the woman has no heart to begin with

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          I even closed down and restarted my computer.

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            Anne , i think its the site , not your computer . Different people from different countries having the same troubles .
            Win7 demo here .

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              Thanks, DID.

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                And now i can't get in the Old on , logged in or not !

                • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                  Having the same issue DID. Just sent Admin a note about it. I can not access Aftershocks post he made at on the old forum today.

                  Maybe Aftershock got sent to the wrong room…just hoping he can find his way back. …hey were you going in the out door Aftershock? ..Please post here so that we can read your post. 😛

                  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                    Yes A.S , tell us how you did it 🙂

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      first Maiden and DID, it involved drilling-down through some not so prominent links. Apparently, admin re-worked the page-frame and now it's no longer featuring the older comments links. It's been forever since I've coded HTML, so I'm not going to bother suggesting fixes. Admin knows far more than me about this.

                      Anyway, look for the text that reads "Previous thread here (works best in non-Internet Explorer browsers)" then click on the the blue-highlighted "here" word.

                      You should enter the page that features the options for going to older comments. Scroll down a bit. If you have a problem when you get to this page, hit the refresh button and allow the page to settle (complete downloading process).

                      Hope this helps…

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      turns out you can't click and fall through to older posts, anyway. Admin will have to look into it…

    • ENENews

      Trying to solve the issue for the archived OT forum but can't figure it out right now. I can access it with some browsers and not with others. No one got locked out it's just an unidentified glitch. Sorry everybody

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Thanks for the headsup ENENews ,

        I hope no data is lost or damaged so far , so many unfinisched conversations of world class inspiring levels against insanity still unexplored ,
        and all the valuable links and data , we thinks issa big treasure 🙁
        And thx for making it possible in the first place 😉
        Is outside help possible ?

  • behappy1

    may need to log out, then back in again, works for me with firefox

  • Anthony Anthony

    Yellowstone, Sinkhole Jarred By 7.5 Alaskan Earthquake
    Saturday, January 5, 2013 18:41

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Here's one I missed. I can see in the comment archive:

    New fault found on seabed near Kanto region

  • richard richard

    TOXIC chemicals that escaped from a massive tyre fire on New Year's Day have leaked into an underground water system in south-west Sydney, posing a potentially serious environmental threat.

    The acting director of waste and resource recovery for the EPA, said they are trying to determine how far the ''fire-water'' has spread. ''Preliminary findings are that it reached about 1.5 kilometres down a concrete stormwater channel and canal leading from the site.

    No public warning has been issued because it is understood that no one draws water from the stormwater channel for irrigation or drinking and the flow of contaminated water from the site has been stopped.

    A senior adviser with the National Toxics Network, said the fire-water was likely to contain neurotoxins, carcinogens and heavy metal but the extent of the environmental impact would depend on the concentration of the toxic chemicals.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Keystone XL: DilBit Through the Heartland
    Massive exploitation of Alberta Tar Sands (MEATS)…

    Is it the biggest environmental crime in history? A new benchmark for sacrifice of public health to corporate profit?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Press TV: The Truth About Americans and Guns
    Gordon Duff

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm posting this..because it is way out there.
    And I like that…

    Ufology, Communication and DNA


      @Heart: though the article is rife with 'noise', there's a smidgen of truth sprinkled within it. Not permitted to say just what, within an open forum. Suffice to say, the article does a wonderful job of covering up what's going on…

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Is anyone seeing the past posts that were here?

    • or-well

      I can see the new Off-Topic thread when I'm logged in OR logged out.
      I can see the previous OT thread ONLY if I'm logged in.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi or-well

        I'm logged in. I can only see the new OT thread, not the back pages.

        • or-well

          Hi WindorSolar, I realise I gave you a "non-answer"!
          To see the comments on the previous OT thread, I have to be logged in AND click on the link in Admins message at the top of this page, OR on the link under "Thread Guidelines" where it says "Previous thread here". Sorry about that.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Mysterious Black Dust Blanketing The San Gabriel Valley, CA – Jan 4, 2013

    Published on Jan 4, 2013


  • WindorSolarPlease

    Update from MsMilkytheclown1

    Published on Jan 5, 2013


  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs): Transgenic Crops and Recombinant DNA Technology

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Genetically Engineered Foods May Cause Rising Food Allergies
    “…If this protein in GM soybeans is causing allergies, then the situation may be made much worse by something called horizontal gene transfer (HGT). That's when genes spontaneously transfer from one species' DNA to another. While this happens often among bacteria, it is rare in plants and mammals. But the method used to construct and insert foreign genes into GM crops eliminates many of the natural barriers that stop HGT from occurring. Indeed, the only published human feeding study on GM foods ever conducted verified that portions of the gene inserted into GM soy ended up transferring into the DNA of human gut bacteria. Furthermore, the gene was stably integrated and it appeared to be producing its potentially allergenic protein. This means that years after people stop eating GM soy, they may still be exposed to its risky protein, which is being continuously produced within their intestines….”

  • Anthony Anthony

    Flu infections sweep America hospitalizing thousands and leaving 18 children dead of complications, and it's going to get worse

    2,257 people have been hospitalized since the start of flu season
    Three-fourths of those with symptoms say the were not vaccinated
    41 states have reported cases

    By Daily Mail Reporter

    PUBLISHED: 16:59 GMT, 5 January 2013 | UPDATED: 18:19 GMT, 5 January 2013

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      thanks for the flag Anthony. The CDC image shown in the article shows no correlation between the distribution of Fukushima radiation within the United States. Such comparison is deceptive, until you consider how the West-Coast and Mid-Western regions are the primary source for American food supplies. As it's accepted that ingestion of low-level rad-toxins can result in (amongst many other forms of illness) diet induced immune suppression, we're likely witnessing the first signs of global radiation poisoning.

      [Related comments from a few days ago] "I'm starting to see a lot of people around me coming down with serious flu conditions. I'm not sure – yet – if this is attributable to immune suppression from increased exposure to Fuku-rad-toxins or if it's just a bad year. We know the medical industry will suppress any of their internal findings, so we need to keep our eyes and ears open to this ongoing pandemic…"


      [Fukushima emissions distribution article]

      • Anthony Anthony

        Glad you saw it. I don't think it is much of a reach to assume there at least MIGHT be correlation between Fuku and this Flu spread. What caught my eye is how the virus hit so many states simultaneously. That`s different. The severity may be different too, anything seems possible with radiation. It is pretty irresponsible for *experts* to downplay radiation, it has the power to both reduce our immunity while modifying something like virus and bacteria. To say it is no concern or connection is pretty weak at this stage. I can say that with a straight face and without a panic hat. It fits the science at play nicely.


          reasoned response, Anthony. And you're right, that what they're not saying about this ongoing pandemic "…fits the science at play nicely."

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Resignation of EPA's Jackson is "serious warning" that climate in danger from Obama White House

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy
    New documents prove what was once dismissed as paranoid fantasy: totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent

  • CB CB

    Maryland hospitals are seeing a surge or patients with achy bodies, fevers and sore throats

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    GMOs: The ultimate solution

    “What Antoniou and Seralini have found is that GMOs, which are inundated with pesticides like RoundUp Ready containing glyphosate and 2-4-D, the active ingredient in Agent Orange, create numerous health problems, including birth defects, cancer, neurological imbalances, embryonic deaths, DNA damage, and fetal death. It's not rocket science to understand that when you eat a steady diet of these horrible chemicals, you will suffer disastrous health ramifications despite the fact that the GMO crops are designed to resist the heavy poisoning of the pesticides and herbicides.

    “So, where does the corruption tie in? Obviously with the politicians.

    “We know that when Obama campaigned in 2008, he promised he would label GMOs. When elected, not only did he renege on that promise but immediately appointed former Monsanto VP and attorney Michael Taylor, aka "Monsanto Mike", as the Head of Food Safety at the Fraud and Drug Administration and Tom Vilsack, another biotech hooker, as the Secretary of Agriculture.

    “I don't know about other States, but in Hawaii, from the Governor on down, almost all the Legislators have been bought, with none wanting to bite the hand that feeds them…."
    Learn more:

  • razzz razzz

    Reading between the lines, I think Fukushima has stop spewing radiation globally and now radiation readings can be taken to raise backgrounds levels standards to account for new fallout in the atmosphere. I am sure they can breakdown the source of the radiation, be it from nuke bomb above ground testing, Chernobyl, reactors leaking or leaks and of course Fukushima fallout.

    Nuclear Security Helicopters Testing Radiation Levels Above DC Area…

  • razzz razzz

    2013 – The Roller-Coaster Ride of Your Life (Armstrong)

    "…If these Republicans really think a showdown over the debt ceiling will accomplish anything, they had better wake up to the ramifications of not passing a debt ceiling increase would have BEYOND the shores of the United States. Clearly, Congress seems to be doing business always by crisis management in eleventh-hour deals with the threat of shutting down the government where bills are signed without anyone reading the details…"

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    • Sunday, January 06, 2013 at 08:11:27 UTC
    • Sunday, January 06, 2013 at 05:11:27 PM at epicenter •
    37.599°N , 142.077°E
    35 km (21.7 miles)
    96 km (59 miles) E of Namie, Japan
    113 km (70 miles) SE of Ishinomaki, Japan
    118 km (73 miles) ESE of Watari, Japan
    119 km (73 miles) SE of Yamoto, Japan

    This earthquake is 58.5 mi (94.15 km) ENE from Fukushima Daiichi (#1) Nuclear Power Plant
    This earthquake is 60.9 mi (97.98 km) ENE from Fukushima Daini (#2) Nuclear Power Plant
    Fukushima #1 37.422972N 141.032917E
    Fukushima #2 37.316389N 141.025556E

  • ncmissouri


    The rest of the world does not care about the U.S. Here's a quote:

    "Here’s a simple but brilliant explanation to bring home how deceptive are the fiscal cliff deal and all talk by the Obama regime of cutting government deficit.

    Lesson #1:

    * U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
    * Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
    * New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
    * National debt: $16,428,000,000,000 (and increasing by each second)
    * Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

    Let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

    * Annual family income: $21,700
    * Money the family spent: $38,200
    * New debt on the credit card: $16,500
    * Outstanding balance on the credit card: $164,280
    * Total budget cuts so far: $385

    Got It ?????"

    It's time to understand what all this spending does to our country. If it really will bring in money, maybe the government should consider it in regards to foreign aid. But spending to look good has got us in trouble.

    • Sickputer

      Yes, that is a nice analogy of government finances. It just proves it's all a big shell game in "civilized" modern economies. A government can do virtually anything it wants to manipulate the money supply (assuming it can convince debt holders to not revolt).

      It can spend several trillion dollars attacking foreign enemies. It can let banks hide $16 trillion dollars in taxes owed by allowing their tax havens.

      It can and does nationalize railroads, auto manufacturers, and banks. It runs a postal service into the red because it fails to raise rates (or tax its competitors like any self-respecting dictatorship does).

      It could even get the banks to forgive everyone's mortgages in the entire country. Or give every adult a $1,000 a month voucher for food and rent.

      How could it do all these things? Because money has no value anymore. It's worth exactly what Big Brother says it is and backs up with their guns.

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication


      Thank you, Razz. I believe you have simplified it sufficiently to wake up a few…

  • Re: US Flu / achy / pandemic..
    The cafe here in UK where I have my daily coffee is a basket case – all the staff spluttering, boss losing teeth and layed up (former Rugby player)..
    Only myself., practically vegan, is reasonably ok, though on the edge of some bug – keeping it out with herbs, spices, cinnamon, aspirin, kelp, nat vit C etc..
    Just gave up crisps (doritos / nachos) for nuts..
    Stopped lettuce & leafy veg.
    I've not had a throat this bad since Chernobyl ( and the late sixties..).
    Gluttons, smokers and those with stress seem to be worst.
    Anybody remember the sore-ridden mutants with cataracts in the Omega Man..
    What's all these Rads doing to the Ozone layer¿

  • razzz razzz

    ncmissouri: Until the world reserve currency is issued by some other powerhouse, the US is still in the game. Life here in the US is still relatively easy. Pains resulting from overspending haven't hit yet. There will be in the future wailing and gnashing of teeth that will make today look like a walk in the park.

    The world wouldn't care but the US is still the bread basket of the world and becoming a net exporter of fuel again beside owning almost half the nuke bombs in the world and I don't think the US has ever stopped its warring since its inception.

  • Anthony Anthony

    China rejects U.S. decision to support Japan in Diaoyu islands dispute 25.12.2012

  • Worrying looking Japan on Infra-red (& visible) – I think it's about to sink..

  • WindorSolarPlease

    I'm only an old lady, not a professional in any of this. I'm not a spy or a troll either.
    I can only tell you what I think. Just my opinion.

    I believe the sinkhole in Louisiana is dangerous, that it is radioactive, that the gulf and this sinkhole has a lot more in common than what they are saying.

    Since it's not getting better, then there's a real good chance of this getting a lot worse.

    I would not be around there. I believe the water, food and air are already at dangerous levels.

    These corporations and those who have supported them, are the real terrorists. They have made a mess in a lot of areas and the environment, all for power and greed.

    I can see how this even could effect the New Madrid Fault Line.
    We also have stronger Solar Flares, earth quakes, and they don't mix well with Nuclear Plants either.

    They also know we had/have/continuing Fukushima Layers coming in. Have they done anything about the displaced people from Sandy's disaster, where is the information about the sinkholes, and are they doing anything for the people there?

    I feel like they don't want to put to much into US because they already know it's a matter of time before we have a bigger disaster that can't be solved.

    • WindorSolarPlease


      They also know we had/have/continuing Fukushima Layers coming in. Have they done anything about the displaced people from Sandy's disaster, where is the information about the sinkholes, what about the people there, and can't forget the Gulf and the people that were/is being affected.
      There is too many things that aren't getting taken care of fully, including the economy and so on.

      I feel like they don't want to put to much into the US because they already know it's a matter of time before we have a bigger disaster that can't be solved.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Will the real Hillary please stand up? I look at all her photos, and wonder if she has doubles.

    January 5, 2013

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I would hope that what the voters want is authenticity, not Hollywood theatrics. Some notable examples have had too much plastic surgery, and are caricatures or wind up without a face.

      We want no nuclear energy, no nuclear experimentation, no nuclear weapons, no toxic fracking, no uranium mining or pipe lines or oil shale or coal. Clean air, soil and water that is clean and no GMOs or pesticides.

      We need real beauty that is more than skin deep.

      Please give us back the earth.

      I, for one, won't vote for Hollywood or drugged up liposuction maniacs.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi anne

        No nuclear energy, no nuclear experimentation, no nuclear weapons, no toxic fracking, no uranium mining or pipe lines or oil shale or coal. Clean air, soil and water that is clean and no GMOs or pesticides. Putting our environment first, sounds good to me.

        I'm afraid that our earth is so contaminated that we can't put it back together again. I think we were on a ledge, and Fukushima knocked us off.

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi anne,

      As far as Hillary, they are making up too many story's about her.

      Heck, maybe they are all true?? Maybe she was in plane wreck, needed a face surgery, got the flu, got dizzy, fell, and then got a blood clot??

      Who knows? There is so much that goes on that we don't know about.

      "If they knew what we are doing they would string us up from the nearest lampposts."— GHW Bush (quoted by White House reporter Sarah McClendon.)

  • As I mentioned (and got poo-pooed for previously) – I think many of the celeb politicians were underground on 3/10….
    I don't recognise the recent pics of Putin (or Bowie) for that matter…

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi 53north

      I would imagine many of them have their own shelters right in their home. I would have been in mine, that's if I owned one.

      Better yet, I probably would be in Uruguay, Argentina, or any place South of the Equator in a deluxe shelter. I'm still waiting for my limo and private jet to get there. lol.

      There are homes with a shelter, and you would never known it was there. You are probably right, that many go underground, on their way to the wine cellar.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Bolivia slams US over 'irrefutable evidence' of meddling

    I think many who are considering moving to Latin America..might find themselves headed into a war zone.



    Nuclear Security Helicopters Testing Radiation Levels Above DC Area

    National Nuclear Security Administration PRESS RELEASE

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      Hi A.S
      From the article
      "Naturally-occurring radiation is measured so that baseline levels can be established and used in security and emergency preparedness, reads a statement from the NNSA."

      Right , its 2013 and now they gonne meassure natures radiation , after what 60+ years of bombtesting , experimenting on humans and animals , wars and semi-deliberate nuclear-industrial fuckups.

      1) natural radiation on this planet within our protective atmosphere , in general , is a balanced part of life, life would look different without , its probably one of or the most important dynamic behind evolutionary and steady small and beneficial mutations .

      2) Everything different/manmade is deadly toxic and every tiny escape makes our planet smaller forever if we are lucky and it stay's in one spot. But usually we are not lucky when we screw ourself with rads.
      Therefore it is to be handled as a crime against life/everything .


        you got it DID. Excellent points as well. There's definitely something up, that 'others' aren't being informed of…

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Maybe they are checking when to move the white house to Latin-America..
          Can't have all these "important" dudes go sick like the average sold-out voter is supposed to do .


            at a loss on this one DID. I can't come up with why they're doing this 'monitoring'. I can agree, they're definitely thinking 'priority packages'. Problem is, when it comes to airborne radiological gases, it's usually too late to protect yourself when these gases are in such close proximity. You'd have to be privy to the flight plan and monitored area to know if this is a genuine survey or (what I suspect is a) defensive measure. If it's the later, then there's something big-time going on…

            • WindorSolarPlease

              Thanks for the links AFTERSHOCK

              The White House has monitors outside for radiation, maybe they didn't like the data they were seeing and called for the helicopters to check it out?

              Hope they have enough gas to track it from Fukushima.


                you are correct WSP. They have monitors all about the entire district. Which makes you ponder the reasoning behind aircraft bobbing over the city. They'd only have to check what each monitor is reporting and do corrective calculations on any that are not in agreement with the others. I'm thinking 'cover story'.

                Anyway, server's likely in need of a cold start reset, so I'm gonna take my leave…for now…

      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication


        "Naturally-occurring radiation is measured so that baseline levels can be established and used in security and emergency preparedness…."

        Right. But only in Washington D.C. Rest of us blokes can manage without being told.

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    MAGGIE123 where are you ?? 🙂 Monopolising the "herbronning" concept ? , my mind goes dark dealing with all these crimes when your light and empathy don't shine often enough !!! 🙁
    (even when i don't do you justice with not responding enough when you do…my bad.. )

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication


      "She was also given a blue football jersey with "Clinton" and the number 112 — the record-breaking number of countries she has visited since becoming secretary of state…." I wonder how much THAT cost the taxpayers??

      "Four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, were killed in the attack." Note once again that even the State Department refers to him as "Ambassador" even though they certainly know he was not one. WHY? Because it is supposed to explain what he was doing in Libya?

      And she still looks every bit of 65, wearing her dyed hair much too long for that age. Give it up and look your age for Pete's sake!

  • kalidances

    The fracking continues…
    US to become 'net energy exporter'

    "…Thanks largely to fracking, the US is set to overtake Saudi Arabia and Russia to become the world's biggest oil producer by 2017, according to a November report from the International Energy Agency (IEA).

    …Extracting gas from one well through fracking takes about five million gallons of water, the equivalent of between 800 and 1,300 truckloads, said energy consultant Faeth. Over its lifespan, an average well produces more than 4 billion cubic feet of gas equivilent – enough energy to power about 16,000,000 homes for one day. Mixed with chemicals, much of the water ends up contaminated after being used in the fracking process. One well will often need to be fracked up to 18 times, drastically increasing water contamination."


    thanks FREEDOMROX for the flag on Innocents Betrayed. Though much of the featured material was already known to me, it was an excellent compendium of state sponsored murder of unarmed civilians. I'd advise anyone that watches it, to make a point of seeing the final interviews. There's much wisdom imparted by these two men…

    Innocents Betrayed


      I agree. I know it seems to be counter-propaganda, but it seems that is all that works anymore with the gun grabbers. I was surprised by only two of these massacres, and I warn anyone not to allow young minds that may not be able to handle the images to exercise good judgment if doing so.
      Our young do need to learn the lessons of the past, or they are doomed to repeat it.