Fox Business: Leading ‘pro-nuclear’ scientist admits our nuclear plants are “dangerous” and “error-prone” — Agrees we don’t even know true extent of Fukushima disaster or its impact (VIDEO)

Published: January 14th, 2014 at 10:47 pm ET


Fox Business, Jan. 3, 2014 (at 2:00 in):

Lou Dobbs, host: Your thoughts on nuclear power and why you think that’s so critical, given the direction of our climate?

Ken Caldeira, climate scientist in the Carnegie Institution Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University: […] If we look at nuclear power, the facts about the objective risks are also fairly well established, in that nuclear power seems far less risky than coal. And yes, there are risks — we’ve seen Fukushima, and we know that there’s waste disposal issues — but there’s nothing fundamental about nuclear power that says that it can’t be substantially safer than what we’re currently doing.

Dobbs: I don’t want to get into the issue nuclear power itself, other than to say Fukushima — as you put it aside here — I mean, we don’t even know the true extent of that disaster and its impact. You would agree with that right?

Caldeira: I would agree with that. I think Fukushima shows us that the current generation and our current way of operating nuclear power plants is dangerous, but we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater just because something is error-prone today doesn’t mean we can’t make it better.

(Caldeira was one of four top climate scientists who recently distributed a much publicized open letter “To those influencing environmental policy but opposed to nuclear power”)

Note that both Carnegie Endowment and Stanford University are included in a Tepco document that shows a small group of U.S. entities “working together” with Tepco to “disseminate” Fukushima-related information.

Watch the broadcast here

Published: January 14th, 2014 at 10:47 pm ET


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407 comments to Fox Business: Leading ‘pro-nuclear’ scientist admits our nuclear plants are “dangerous” and “error-prone” — Agrees we don’t even know true extent of Fukushima disaster or its impact (VIDEO)

  • ruppert

    I think people on this forum are missing a golden opportunity having such a pro-nuker wanting to engage. I personally could not be any further from his view point but he is presenting where the pro-nuker mindset is coming from.

    Instead of getting all upset at his posts, use it as a platform for presenting what we believe the truth to be. We can all parrot each other's ideas but the real learning comes from having to know why that viewpoint may be wrong but more importantly it allows new people visiting the site to see the fallacies of the nuclear agenda.

    I say let him tell what he believes. Even an idiot can see what is happening around the planet
    and the truth of how destructive nuclear is and is currently being, whether you are talking about Fukushima, TMI, Hanford and the list just goes on.

    We know we have the truth on our side and it's our job to take every opportunity to speak it. Of course there will be those that no matter what you say will never see whether from being financially bound to the industry or having ties with the military or academia.

    When we don't respond with credible answers then we appear to be lunatics. Don't take it so personally. Whatever happened to civil discourse?

    Let's turn the forum more into ideas instead of name calling. If a poster is a shill….so what? That person will only "succeed" if they are not credibly and factually addressed.

    The pro-nuke point of view has so much facts going against it that we have much…

    • artika rama

      Rupert thank you 🙂 what I be been saying from the beginning . Let him talk , It helps to get the truth out . Besides why get upset , if you don't like what you read , just don't respond , there is no sense in insults and attacks. Let's keep it civilized .

  • Tiza Tiza

    Hi, everyone,

    I just received my new book in today by Dr. Apsley. It seems pretty good about the Fuku stuff, but I have been working and only had a chance to read a couple of pages. It appears from the book that he also advises certain supplements to cleanse our bodies of radiation. This is him:

    • We Not They Finally

      Read this. Thanks for the link. But DON'T eat mushrooms. They are fungal and soak radiation UP.

      As for other foods, we don't know at this point how irradiated they are. And "organic" means less now than it did before, because it depends on where food is grown — the soil and the rain THERE. Shy of greenhouse food grown with filtered water, we honestly don't know.

      Aside from avoiding junk food (obviously), there are supplements that are very healthy and NOT expensive. Like LIPOSOMAL VITAMIN C is a great one. Vitamin C is water-soluble (not fat-soluble) amd cells are surrounded by fat. So you'll only absorb 20% of the contents of even capsules (pills are always less absorbable). But if you coat the C in fatty lecithin (which also has benefits for the brain!), the absorbability goes up to 80% or higher — similar to intravenous C, which has sometimes been used against cancer, and in any case, wipes out so-called "free radicals" which disrupt genetics and cause cancer.

      It's a VERY easy recipe: Three tablespoons non-GMO lecithin to one tablespoon non-buffered vitamin C powder. Mix into a pint (16 oz.) of filtered water. Put in a blender for a couple of minutes. Then run through an ultrasonic cleaner for six minutes.

      An ultrasonic cleaner (often used to clean jewelry) is very easy to obtain in a hardware store — only $35 for a pint-capacity size, one-time purchase only.

      This is so easy to do and gives great overall protection!

      • We Not They Finally

        Also, baking soda ALKALIZES the blood and cancer needs acid blood to thrive. Just a quarter-teaspoonful each of the baking soda and apple cider vinegar, two or three times a day.

        If radiation is causing fatigue (we have found that ourselves), a good remedy is magnesium plus malic acid — you can get capsules of each and it is NOT expensive, at The Vitamin Shoppe. Magnesium also addresses muscle issues generally — weakness, cramps, etc.

        The medical system is going to be overloaded. It is best we start doing simple basic things for protection now. Good health to everyone!

      • artika rama

        We not they finally and TIZA I know you guys will hate me for saying this but I don't think there is much to do against radiation . There is no cleansing possible . Most of those detox methods don't work . 🙁

  • We Not They Finally

    Say, if "the bath water" this "expert" is talking about is Fukushima, then "the baby" must be HIM. So yes, we SHOULD "throw the baby out with the bathwater."

  • We Not They Finally

    Nuclear power is "far less risky than coal"? What universe does he live in?

  • ftlt

    See DemocracyNow.Com today's show is on FUFU..

    Sorry, if someone has already posted this up

  • tsfw tsfw

    The iconic Doomsday Clock remains poised at five minutes until midnight, the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists announced today (Jan. 14).

  • Ron

    "but we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater just because something is error-prone today doesn’t mean we can’t make it better."

    Funny. Talk about understatement. He makes it sound like the kick stands on some brand of bicycle isn't working properly.

    Mistakes were made, but that's all behind us. No biggie.

    Nuclear power is NOWHERE near ready for release to the world (and it is criminal that the world has been subjected to it's hazards all this time) and the world is NOWHERE near ready for nuclear power (we are simply too unstable a species to be able to safely handle it.

  • Ron

    The above is not to say that global warming is not real or a hazard. It certainly is. It's just frustrating that so many influential people are getting their anti-clean alternative energy information from the nuclear industry which is dead set against it.

    It's frustrating that people continue to belittle something which has such potential. It's stupid too. If we got solar panels on every roof that could benefit from it we could substantially reduce our reliance on coal and oil (and nuclear – which is what the indiustry is so afraid of).

  • skizexq skizexq

    HMM…guess the blue/green is not to be for long with all the various fallouts…maybe time to go under ground…

  • Daisy207

    We have enough oil in this country – We are not allowed to use West Texas Crude or Alaskan Crude – because congress passed laws that said we cannot use high sulfur oil (even though we have the technology to remove the sulfur) – so we sell it to other countries (Japan, China, etc., ) and the dirty air blows this way. We import our oil from north sea countries (Brent sweet). We make more gasoline than we consume so we also sell that. We don't import from the middle east. That goes to Europe. Its an oil cabal. Phytoplankton in the oceans are more than capable of converting CO2 to oxygen – provided Fukushima does not kill it all off – and a great deal of CO2 comes from Volcanic emissions – Monmouth Mountain for example- man does not do that one. We are just in an overall mess now because of our energy policies – I don't know that any of this can be reversed and I don't know what the answers are. But none of us can make informed decisions without truthful information.

  • Well, there is a reason we don't know the true extent of the ongoing Fukushima disaster – lack of reliable information and the proliferation of disinformation, courtesy of its current Prime Minister.

    Amy Goodman is on the job as usual, but I did also send her an email about radiation levels in Tokyo.[ ]

    Shock Doctrine in Japan: Shinzo Abe’s Rightward Shift to Militarism, Secrecy in Fukushima’s Wake

    "Democracy Now! is broadcasting from Tokyo, Japan, today in the first of three special broadcasts. At a critical time for Japan and the region, we begin our coverage looking at the country’s rightward political shift under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who was re-elected just over a year ago. As head of the Liberal Democratic Party, Abe is known as a conservative hawk who has pushed nationalistic and pro-nuclear policies."

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    You would think that major universities would have the sophisticdated radiation dectection equipment that could quantify Fukushima radiation in fallout, in the air and water, in our food, and in us. And you would be right. But the publication of actual scientific data on radiation in the US seems to be completely lacking. It is almost as if somebody has pressed the mute button to silence the universities on the topic if Fukushima contamination.

    The most likely culprit, if there were actually a campaign to silence the scientific community, would be the nuclear industry itself. How would the nuclear industry go about corrupting American Universities?

    The nuclear industry endows nuclear engineering departments in major universities. They fund chairs for professors, fill new labs with expensive equipment, and keep the professors happily employed studying this and that topic of interest to their nuclear industry patrons.

    When local groups ask these professors to use their equipment to, say, check locally-produced foods for radiation, the professors assure the groups that any contamination is insignificant. When the local press comes to campus to interview a scientist about the Fukushima accident, they will find a smiling PhD to assure the public that there is nothing to worry about.

    What proof is there that major universities are in the pocket of the nuclear industry? Here is a repost of a list of universities in the pay of the nuclear cabal.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Repost from ENEnewser:

      March 20, 2012 at 1:54 am
      You are quite correct about what we should expect. What I have a deep ethical concern about is the coercion of our Universities etc. Like other ills currently in our society, these connections to nuclear energy are an absolute evil and against the public good. Maybe I am overstating how tight the bond is, but, as an example from the NEI member roster, Does the University of Tokyo have the freedom to publish anything which would place the nuclear industry in a bad light? Other university members below.

      University of Alabama
      University of Alberta
      University of Antofagasta, Chile
      University of Arizona
      University of Bologna
      University of California
      University of Cincinnati
      University of Colorado
      University of Denver
      University of Detroit
      University of Florida
      University of Idaho
      University of Illinois
      University of Maryland
      University of Massachusetts
      University of Michigan
      University of Missouri
      University of Nevada, Las Vegas
      University of New Mexico
      University of North Texas
      University of Notre Dame
      University of Pittsburgh
      University of Rhode Island
      University of South Carolina
      The University of Tennessee
      University of Texas at Austin
      University of Texas of the Permian Basin
      The University of the District of Columbia
      The University of Tokyo
      University of Virginia
      University of Washington
      University of Wisconsin

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