Fox Host: I wasn’t aware sickness among Navy sailors was so widespread after Fukushima; Experts say dangerous radioactive releases to air and ocean — Tepco didn’t give U.S. radiation data for 3 to 4 days (VIDEOS)

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Waterbourne Hazard Capability: Operation Tomodachi, Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), 2012 Symposium (at 6:15 in): “A little bit of a hiccup along the way to be honest with you. The Tepco readings were actually 3 to 4 days before they actually gave us the readings of what the buoy markers were.”

The Challenges and Methods for Source Term Estimation, National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), 2013 Symposium: “There were some significant challenges with [Fukushima Daiichi's] source term […] Why is this important? We have these maps like this radiation fallout map. But it turns out that this map doesn’t necessarily reflect airborne inhalation exposures, which is critical to determining who was exposed and the extent of their radiation exposure and the subsequent medical impacts they may experience.”

Fox News, Dec 20, 2013 (h/t timemachine2020):

Navy lawsuit claims sailors exposed to Fukushima radiation — Sailors say radiation contaminated water supply

Shepard Smith, anchor: More than 50 current and former U.S. Navy sailors say radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan has made them sick […] Experts say that the disaster released dangerous levels of radiation into the air and into the ocean. […] What’s the latest in this case now? I wasn’t aware this was so widespread.

Lea Gabrielle, reporter: [...] It’s important to note these sailors are not actually suing the U.S. government, there are laws that prevent active duty personnel from doing just that.

See also: Fox News: "So many US sailors coming forward" with symptoms after mission near Fukushima; "Strange lumps all over... he'd been poisoned with radiation"; Hemorrhaging, cancers, leukemia, tumors -- Another 50 service members may join lawsuit

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63 comments to Fox Host: I wasn’t aware sickness among Navy sailors was so widespread after Fukushima; Experts say dangerous radioactive releases to air and ocean — Tepco didn’t give U.S. radiation data for 3 to 4 days (VIDEOS)

  • Proton

    the "source-term(s)" dictate the response… :(
    True source-term(s) = appropriate response


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  • Ontological Ontological

    To all you service personnel who were harmed by the "plume", I offer huge thanks for so bravely serving America, and the rest of the N Hemi! Someday maybe the Governments of this cold cruel World will actually care about their tax payers, service people, & citizens. Does not seem likely however. I still must raise the question though, how the hell did the USS RR get so badly contaminated so soon after the accident? I got skull cancer only 3 months after, due to the fact I love to walk outdoors. So I guess that could be my answer, this was WAY worse than ANYONE even can guess!


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  • Proton

    The stakes really went up when the major media outlets abandoned the American people…
    Remember how the Libya BS war took over on every network shortly after #3 blew?


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    New book just came out:

    http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-02216-1

    Radiation Disaster Medicine
    Perspective from the Fukushima Nuclear Accident
    Editors:
    • Koichi Tanigawa,
    • Rethy Kieth Chhem
    ISBN: 978-3-319-02215-4 (Print) 978-3-319-02216-1 (Online)

    Also for California radiation levels:
    http://www.gregslab.com/tools/radwatch/

    International links to Radiation Monitoring around the world:
    http://sccc.org.au/international-radiation-monitoring-stations


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    3 or 4 days? Those sailors, marines, and officers were parked in that plume for over a month straight! The Caprain of that ship should be court martialed.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Most people don't know it — even most New Yorkers don't: After 9-1-1, the EPA never released the first TWELVE days of air readings. We were all breathing in pulverized skyscrapers. Maybe the readings they gave out after that were truthful, likely not. But TEPCO never seems to give out any truthful ANYTHING.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Tepco didn’t give U.S. radiation readings for 3 to 4 days"

    The Navy didn't wait for TEPCO..for radiation rates.
    They were already moving ships by the 14th.
    March 14 2011

    Radiation detected on U.S. warship near Japan

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/radiation-detected-on-us-warship-near-japan/

    The U.S. Seventh Fleet said Monday it had moved its ships and aircraft away from a quake-stricken Japanese nuclear power plant after discovering low-level radioactive contamination.

    Where the other vessel moved a safe distance?
    The USS Reagan wasn't.
    And a month in place.
    They are .. a human experiment being conducted by the military upon their own.
    Low level contamination?.. oh..BS.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Did anyone read the link I posted several times re this matter?

    It is a document about the Fuku response by the US military written by the commander as to what they learned, and how they would do things "next time"

    If you did happen to read the report, it was obvious they knew not only the sailors got dosed, but the Army personnel that responded also was dosed.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hi..newsblackoutUSA..please repost.


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  • weeman

    The sailors might not be able to sue the government, but if they knowingly put them in harms way and did not take appropriate measures to protect, then they would still be liable for there medical care, if deemed active duty?
    I think the helicopters that were used are important because they came back extremely hot and if you were attempting to measure the radiation plumb, you would use helcopters not planes, helcopters can stay motionless and get more accurate readings and much better platform for equipment necessary to monitor?
    These colors don't run and nor did you.


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    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

      To all those here who would blame the Navy,

      You are playing into the hands of those who would shovel these sailors and this incident under a rug.

      Look, if the Navy were solely to blame, then the sailors don't get to sue, they get medical retirement, VA disability, essentially a pension, and no publicity.

      The navy wasn't yachting around Fukushima!

      The nuclear release understated by Tepco was one contaminant among many hazardous materials (oil, chemicals, sewage, bodies, flotsam etc.) that the Navy was contending with in a very large, difficult humanitarian assistance mission involving the tsunami death of tens of thousands of Japanese civilians.

      The propagandists and trolls here would stifle the issue in print.

      I say leave it to Tepco's attorney's to argue in Court that the US Navy was to blame, that the Navy either knew or would have done the same things in spite of Tepco's lies and omissions. Don't make their argument for them here.


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      • weeman

        Please tell me you are not calling me a troll or propagandist, cause you are wrong and have contributed to this site for a lot longer than youself with respect and absence of malice.
        Agent orange how long till the solders were compensated, same senario.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Report from Russia Today on UK military sick from radiation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uANcBXiJTIU
    Quote "They did their duty and were repaid with sickness. Servicemen with the Royal Air Force were tasked with carrying out nuclear tests in South Australia at the height of the Cold War. And as RT's Tesa Arsilla reports, calls for the UK government to compensate them, are getting louder."


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  • Angela_R

    I think the extent of the damage and the likely releases from explosions can be seen from these photos:
    http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Yes Angela, thanks for the post I have looked at these photos and because of that I laughed when they showed the recent "pictures" of #4 before they started the removal of the fuel that already actually burned in 2011.

      Castro who still works for the NRC staked his professional reputation the SFP was gone in a zirc fire per FOIA.


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Very early photos. Very sobering…..


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    • andagi andagi

      Dear Angela_R,
      Absolutely gut wrenching!
      'In this March 24, 2011 aerial photo taken by a small unmanned drone and released by AIR PHOTO SERVICE, damaged Unit 3 of the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant is seen in Okumamachi, Fukushima prefecture, northern Japan. (Air Photo Service Co. Ltd., Japan)'
      Aloha.


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  • Angela_R

    "gone in a zirc fire."
    By zirc I assume you mean zirconium.
    I've seen references to zirconium being combustionible on exposure to air. Is that the truth, because zircon isn't. The melting point of plutonium, i.e. that, contained in MOX fuel, is 639.5 degs; the melting point of zirconium is 1855 degs.

    Sounds to me like some of the plutonium melted and heated the zirconium casings.


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Yes….fuel burned in zirconium fire. All cladding melted.
      Here is an easy way to see the actual documents
      http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/foia/japan-foia-info/2012/
      http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/foia/japan-foia-info/2013/
      http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/foia/japan-foia-info/2011/

      If you want to watch a youtuber who shows screen shots of pertinent documents proving the sfp fires:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqhWRNsrYxc
      This is all about NRC docs not speculation.

      Peace-


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      • Angela_R

        Well the cladding would melt if the MOX fuel rose to the temperature of 1855 degs.


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        • Shaker1

          Angela_R, I've worked with zirconium quite extensibly, though for the chemical process industry. Years ago, it was used in the electronics industry because of its ability to act as a good 'getter' of oxygen in the old vacuum tubes. Zirconium, and other materials, were those glowing 'things' inside the tubes. They were sacrifical material as they soaked up any stray oxygen before the other materials in the tube could. The uptake of oxygen changes the electrical properties of the other materials and affects their, and the tube's overall performance. Zirconium is used for fuel cladding because it is transparent to neutron flow, being there while in reality to the neutrons, it basically isn't there at all.

          I have witnessed, even started, small zirconium fires to educate the uninitiated who would also be working with the material. You won't melt zirconium in the common sense in free air. It begins to absorb oxygen long before 1855 degrees, becoming zirconium oxide, with is very brittle and has no structural use. When they say 'corium' has melted zirconium as a component, it's a zirconium compound, as is zircon that you mentioned.

          'Fire' by definition is rapid oxidation. In general, heating of a tube like Arnie did in his example would be a relatively slow process, so I could take a torch and heat the material as he did with a torch, and it won't burn. I would use dust or fine machining chips for my demonstations of fire.


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          • Shaker1

            cont..

            But with a fuel rod, the situation is different. The labs who proved the possiblity of cladding fires heated the material with electric elements inside the tubes, not a torch whose flame is actually excluding oxygen because it uses the O2 to support its own flame. Heatup would be rapid, and in the presence of a humid atmosphere. Even if originally in water, water will create steam with will create an envelope around the tube. Zirconium will strip out the oxygen from the steam. Heat is a great accomodater of chemical reactions and will break down water to its elements as it is. Enough oxygen available, enough zirconium in a state to which exposure to it can happen, and fire is the result. By the way, zirconium will begin to oxidize at around 600F. It won't burn at 600 because of what I'd mentioned above. But if one heated a piece to 600 and let it soak in free air at that temperature, one would end up with a chunk of stuff that has no structural value and of little use as a cladding material.


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            • Angela_R

              I guess my point is – what causes the heating..


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              • Shaker1

                My personal guess (and it's unqualified) is that the quake itself had much more impact than they supposed. I'm wary of their ability to rely upon damaged instrumentation to give them knowledge of the state of the control rods or their position at the initial scram. There may have even been damage to the mechanisms and water leak from the bottom, or escape through other exits, such as through to the turbine building, the suppression chamber, or simple pressure relief. Again, I wonder if their instrumentation was working correctly to give them good data. Even so, soon after, lack of water circulation, replenishment of cooler water for hot or steam, the control rods can be in their proper place yet the rods heat beyond design-basis, and we see the result. The heat came from the nuclear material inside the rods.


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                • Angela_R

                  Hi Shaker,
                  My father invented equipment for the separation of heavy minerals from beach sands which included zircon. Thorium was a by-product, but was never sold as it was believed to be too radioactive.

                  Yet the world allowed uranium!


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                  • Shaker1

                    Well, in actuality, thorium was used in some common applications. TIG welding, in which the electrode is an alloy of tungsten, is used as an electrode, one pole of the welding circuit. I won't go into particulars, but for years electrodes used for DC welding were alloyed with 1% or 2% thorium. These electrodes are ground on a relatively find wheel to a point, like a pencil. Electrodes in the manual process can become contaminated with melted material, so the point needs to be renewed. I've personally breathed quite a bit of the dust from grinding electrodes. They have through the years found a substitute for the thorium in the electrodes with worry over breathing the slightly radioactive dust and I don't believe they are used today. Personally, I'm an old man and don't let the idea of that dust bother me. It's a very small percentage of the industrial crap that I've been exposed to through the years.

                    I also believe, if one looked, that they'd find that thorium in industry has or has had other uses as an alloying element. As your comment shows, too, it's found naturally accompanying other materials that are mined, and at times the percentage of thorium might be so small, or it's presence not deemed worth the bother to remove. For instance, all zirconium will have the presence of some hafnium, even in the commercially pure grades. They naturally occur together, have similar properties, and the hafnium isn't detrimental to the metal's use in practice.


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                    • Angela_R

                      Shaker, I should have qualified that this was a long time ago. The thorium was stockpiled for the government. Different countries have different rules, then more than now.


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                • weeman

                  Shaker 1 your guess maybe unquantified but you are most certainly qualified.
                  Cheers, that plant was in trouble before tsunami, front gate detector was ringing, the wave just made it worse.
                  Cheers, fight the power.


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      • unincredulous unincredulous

        From your linked video on you tube :

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqhWRNsrYxc

        "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" – William Casey, CIA director (1981)

        That is just so sad… The game seems to be to perfect a disinformation program, not to serve the citizens. When the program is complete, they will have totally disabled the American public. I sure hope those Assholes are not expecting any help from the public when their asses are in hot water. If I ever feel like being a good samaritan, I think I will make sure I am not helping a CIA person. Fucking snakes, man.


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      • guevara3712

        i saw the sfp fires on t.v., they were reported in mainstream news when they happened, just like a lot of other stuff that was reported or could have easily been inferred without reference to what i am now calling the magic foia documents.


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  • mesa777

    Thanks again TEPCO for your late delivery of the radiation results!! I'm sure our government didn't even need the TEPCO information anyway, we already had those readings before TEPCO did!


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  • Fukushima Caused An 50,000 Additional USA Newborn Deaths 3/11 to 12/11; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/12/fukushima-caused-50000-additional-usa.html

    For more articles;

    Low Dose Radiation Dangers/Symptoms For Children And Adults http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/p/low-dose-radiation-dangers-for-children.html


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  • The bodies are starting to pile up…This is what happened all around the world, not just the US..

    Extrapolate these kinds of numbers globally, and you start to get an idea of the death toll that is mounting out there.


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    • KiloCharley KiloCharley

      Dr. G. It seems that only when we are stepping over Radioactive bodies, this reality will be understood. The corpse of your loved one, becoming radioactive waste, understandably hard to accept.
      Thanks for your work! The truth is not popular it seems. Yet.


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  • tinfoilhatbrian tinfoilhatbrian

    I have limited knowledge of nuclear science but when I saw two nuke plants explode on T.V. I knew it was real bad, but not how bad. It sure would be nice if the actual data of the surface radiation was available in real-time! Aren't there enough satellites that can do this? Maybe after a lot of people die the few remaining will get this information so our species might survive another hundred years or so! Peace all! And Happy Fu*** holidays!


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  • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

    "Fox Host: I wasn’t aware sickness among Navy sailors was so widespread after Fukushima"

    You're a Fox host, why would you be aware?


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  • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

    "Tepco didn’t give U.S. radiation data for 3 to 4 days "

    Can we all please kill this false meme wherever else we might see it? It's an intentional misdirection. Our Navy is in no way dependent on the source of radiation to provide data for them.


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  • Mack Mack

    Here is a new expose on Navy sailors tasked with dumping barrels of radioactive waste off the coast of the Atlantic Ocean in the 1950's, including 2 atom bombs dumped off the coast of Virginia.

    Some of the sailors got sick later in life, believed to be from rad exposure.

    One of the sailors kept a diary —>

    "Jan. 20 1957: "371 tons atomic waste."

    Feb. 7, 1957: "368 tons atom waste."

    Nov. 13, 1957: "299 (tons) poison gas (and) A.W."

    "One of Albernaz's last entries was on June 12, 1958: "200 tons. Spec. weapons," or special weapons. That was the day, Albernaz later told his wife, that he helped dispose of an atomic bomb."

    This article relates to the USS Reagan in that these Navy men were exposed to radiation from leaky barrels; the ship was contaminated; they were not protected or educated on how dangerous it was.

    Even if they wore dosimeters, this was their practice—>

    "When the badge turned purple, that meant you had too much radiation," said Andre Vernot, 75, of Columbia, Md., an officer on the ship from 1960 to 1962. "Our rules were, when the badge turns purple, turn it in and get another one."

    And this —>

    "The memo noted the Navy had never been able to decontaminate a radioactive ship."

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/veterans/the-atomic-sailors/2157927


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure this is called "corruption" of/in the highest order! :(


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  • name999 name999

    …Just remembering that one of Reagan's big projects in his first term was the destruction/ defunding of the international planned parenthood programs that had begun to get traction in Africa and other countries. Lower the population by force and human experimentation rather than education and choice. The depopulators don't want people to have that much control over their own lives.

    Thanks for these shared links. The one by Maj. Jamie Stowe and Maj. Alan Hale really stuns…"We avoided the appearance of undercutting our Japanese allies when US Federal and DoD detection guidance was more stringent than theirs." "Align with the host"…"Politics drove many decisions"

    So proud of their service. So clever. Lots of degrees and ready for that next promotion!


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  • We Not They Finally

    Welcome aboard Fox hosts. Its time you joined the rest of us with this new understanding. Happy to welcome you aboard what may mean a long struggle with truth and understanding.


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