Published: June 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm ET
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Flood berm collapses at Nebraska nuclear plant, Associated Press, June 26, 2011:
[...] The berm’s collapse didn’t affect the reactor shutdown cooling or the spent fuel pool cooling, but the power supply was cut after water surrounded the main electrical transformers, the NRC said. Emergency generators powered the [Ft. Calhoun] plant Sunday while workers tried to restore power. [...]
Published: June 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm ET
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I knew that failed berm headline was new thread material, and it’s here, and it’s very serious.
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As the various traditions say:
SHIT HAPPENS.
Indeed.
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Wow, the way they basically don’t even mention anything about it being so SERIOUS in the article is amazing trickery. Talking about restarting it and all of that. “Everything’s fine, go back to sleep!”
The power supply was cut and they are on backup power. THIS IS SERIOUS. No two ways about it. Wow.
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Well, they’ve had 3 months to learn the Tepco trickery and methods of false presentation.
When the going gets tough, like now, and the reporting for the next few days goes into reassuring-BS-details mode, it’s time to dig for the realities:
“Where The Truth Lies”…
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ore like, “Everything’s fine, go back to baa baaaa baaa!”
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It is so disgusting that the officials we pay and elected into power do eveything in their power to keep us out of the loop. How are we supposed to protect our families when they blackout the media on radiation levels in fukushima and nuclear disaster in the US. Why are they not held accountable? This is too scary…
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My WAG is that they’ll gloss it over on tonight’s news, but by Monday or Tuesday the situation will have become so serious that the long blackout will be over.
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Damn it mamatash, I hit report instead of reply, sorry about that, hope the mod don’t delete but I can’t see why he/she would.
Anyhow, what I was going to post is…
“How are we supposed to protect our families when they blackout the media on radiation levels”
How indeed.
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Money talks and sheep walk
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Seriously Savvy…How the hell do they expect to restore power when it is UNDERWATER? How stupid do they think people are?
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I was under the impression that the backup generators were in hot air balloon gondolas and everything is A-OK, unless the water goes to 2000′. That was close.
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LOL
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we need occasional laughs here.
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The article says “Emergency generators powered the plant until an off-site power supply was connected Sunday afternoon, according to OPPD.” What does that mean? What is an “off-site power supply” and will it help to forestall catastrophe? And, if so, for how long?
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What this means: there are transformers that step-up and step-down voltages between the transmission lines and the plant. The transformers are very large and secured to the ground. During normal operation, the plant probably doesn’t take any power off the main grid. What they did makes perfect sense and doesn’t really raise any red-flags in my mind. To take the transformers offline you would need to hook up “emergency generators” while the connections to off-site power were made. The off-site power is most likely a connection to a local transformer that is not in danger from flood waters. This transformers is stepping down the voltage from the transmission line to a voltage that can be used by the plant to power cooling pumps. Just a little background – I am an Electrical Engineer. I am not a fan of nuclear power for multiple reason, but in general it is safe from catastrophic plant failures. I promise you are in more danger from the gas line running in close proximity to your house. In addition, we are exposed to radiation every day from natural sources. Yes, we need to ensure the safety of our nuclear power plants and in my opinion, they are not a viable method for creating energy. But people need to avoid hysterics and crying wolf.
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“In addition, we are exposed to radiation every day from natural sources.”
Plutonium 239, Cesium 137 I-131 etc, etc are NOT natural sources of radiation. Hundreds of tons of these and other unnatural elements were vaporized or blown to powder and lofted into the winds last March.
There are thousands of tons more which are in the process of being vaporized from the burning surfaces of the spent fuel pools and melted reactor cores every day of the week 24/7.
If you are an engineer, please get out your calculator.
Assume we have a 8000 mi diameter biosphere only 5 or so miles thick.
1 mile from the plant the radiation level is about 100 microseiverts/hr
Q1. How long will it take to saturate the entire biosphere with contaminants until we have an average uniform level of 2.5 microsieverts/hr, (2.5 microsieverts/hr being the “alarm” level on most geiger counters which is supposed to alert you to leave the area)?
Q2. Where do you or your descendants plan to go when every place in the biosphere is at the alarm level of 2.5 microsieverts/hr?
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Could be they brought in a generator and needed to hook up, the on sight generators wire went through vontrol boxes and admited flooding was acuring so they shut the others down ! Out side electric cut days before !
I did see story that the water had also made it pass Main transformer sand bags !
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Pretty damned I believe….
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hardy-har-har. I’m envisioning one of those orange extension cords. A long one.
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how do I join the masses of people who either don’t care or are totally unaware? what does it take to join that club?
I have been painfully horribly awake to this pending nightmare of the fact that we are all pretty much walking dead…….
why does none of this devastation just not matter to so many? what am I missing here?
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Buy a 55″ flatscreen and expanded cable.
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And don’t forget your Prozac and Zanax…Oh, yeh, and a few more video games.
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And leave it on Fox News
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Great comment, I feel exactly the same!!
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DarylAnn – Being too smart can suck sometimes. Unfortunately there is no way to become un-smart once afflicted.
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I once argued that in our culture being smart is a disability.
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Brings to mind the complete old quote, “When ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise.”
Most people aren’t aware of that second part.
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BTW, I always interpreted this to mean that if you go against the party line, you better watch your back.
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Isn’t it incredible….and when you try to let people know what’s happening they treat you like you need to start taking medicine….you have a bad case of paranoia….Even my love ones get angry with me and say that I”m repaeting Russian propaganda…..It’s not happening
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DarylAnn, I rarely post here, but have been on EVERY day for months now. I can no longer sit back and just listen…. I too am totally blown away by people’s lack of interest in what is going on around them. They are more interested in the Casey Anthony trial or Weiners “weiner”. When I try to talk to people about it, they think I am losing it…I just don’t get it. Maybe this latest crisis will wake them up….
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I have watched since Vietnam what the public wants in the news. The chance this will wake anyone up who is not aware yet is slim. People believe what they want. Now, when it hits them in the pocket book, it is a whole new game.
I propose a Constitutional amendment that renames disaster to the people who screwed up…. permanently. They might be more likely to fix problems and maybe even prevent them if their family name would be forever tarnished. Katrina = The G.W. Bush Disaster, etc.
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What these nuclear accidents show, and the Middle Eastern wars that preceded them, is that you can convince most of the public of anything, if you control the mass market news media. Sadly, a skillfully implemented propaganda campaign does work.
The oligarchs learned their lessons well from how the American people turned against the Vietnam war. So, they went after the FCC. First, getting rid of the fairness doctrine. Next, were the ownership rules. Now almost all newspapers, radio, and TV are controlled by a few corporations. I fear the internet will be next. If ‘net neutrality’ laws are not implemented, sites like ‘Enenews’ will be a thing of the past. All it’ll take will be a phone call to the few ISP’s that control almost the entire net to kill a site. They won’t kill it outright, they’ll just adjust the bandwidth so that few can get to the site. Or, they’ll decide that the site administrator needs to pay extra fees for some arbitrary reason. It’ll all be perfectly legal, that’s the sort of ‘innovation’ we’ll soon be seeing if full net neutrality does not become law.
(Sorry for going off topic.)
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Actually, I don’t think you are off topic. The problems is a growing vine with many tendrils with names like big business, government, lobbyists. The first step in solving any problem is to first define what the problem is.
As Pogo put it…. We have met the enemy and he is us.
The way I see it, nobody is listening right now except the few of us in here. There will be outrage when peoples pets have 3 headed litters.
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He wins with distractions…
http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20110615/640/new_collection_of_funny_fails_part_10_640_12.jpg
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@Mamatash same here… on here constantly getting updates and warning everyone in every human way possible, posting on facebook, writing emails, signing petitions only to have my warnings completely ignored.
I am starting to believe that maybe I’m the crazy one and live in some sort of nightmare alone….. very creepy and heartbreaking
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Yup. Exactly how I feel. Utterly unbelievable how clueless people are.
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You cannot control others. You are not alone in a nightmare but are only one of many.
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DarylAnn:
You are not crazy.
This is what being conscious and aware and present is all about.
Comfortable?
Sometimes.
Easy?
Never
Frustrating?
Usually
Yet paying attention means you have a shot at surviving a lot of what is coming down the pipe in the near future.
A shot.
Nothing more.
But just a shot is better than what channel surfing will offer you.
Think about it like this.
If you and I (and all of us here on enenews) were on the Titanic, we would have been ripping bed sheets to make rope (I can make 300# rope from a roll of toilet paper!) and lashing together anything wooden we could find in order to be able to have some floatation before the life boats had even been prepared for launch. And we would have been laughed at. Or ignored. And we would have very likely survived.
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Just wait until the emergency generators get flooded out. then it’s 16 hours to meltdown…
Remember this all has to hold floodwaters out til August …
Can’t wait to see the next peice of news…
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Yes, just yesterday I said the river levels will probably remain OK through September, and the nuclear powers have put themselves, and the rest of us, in the position where all that is then needed is for everthing else to go exactly right for 2 or 3 months.
Everything going right lasted 1 day.
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When I post to Facebook I have 1 person (out of 140) actually say “thanks for the update”. Otherwise I get glossed over because someone needs nails for the Farm or some crap!
DarylAnn luckliy my husband is on board and I can bouce things off of him. You are not crazy and definitely not alone. Look at all the people on Enenews…….
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Check out this pro-nuclear, over-ADMIN’d, intellectual thread if you want to compare and contrast with enenews.com – notice that suddenly there is no mention of the AquaDam failing. What a bunch of hypocrites.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=508209
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My sister and I talk freely about it, but everyone else I tone things down some because I can tell they think I’m going overboard…it’s nice to have someone who can relate.
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As for those, my family and friends included, who won’t be concerned with Fuku or the Missouri nuclear problem:
“If you can keep your wits about you, when everyone else is losing theirs, maybe you haven’t heard the news”.
An updated, old quote.
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“If”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudyard_Kipling
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This is bad, very bad, by plants design features. I live within ear hearing distance of their emergency sirens. Thanks for the info Enenews.
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“The berm’s collapse didn’t affect the reactor shutdown cooling or the spent fuel pool cooling, but the power supply was cut after water surrounded the main electrical transformers”
For pity’s sake, yes it did affect cooling, you’re on backup generators. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
DAMN A**HOLES
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My sugestion….get a back up to the back up before they try and fix the original power source
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The loss of the main transformers is a critical loss to this plant. I am sure the management has emergency plans in place. But the loss is still critical. It now depends on how well the emergency plans are implemented and how effective they are to prevent a major event from happening. We don’t know what those plans are. Bad, very, very bad.
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Just got back from Costco. Their product development people are paying attention.
The amount of emergency food supply packs was amazing.
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Where are you located, majia?
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phoenix
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just thoroughly looked at the CNN start page re. Calhoun – nothing. Then did a search there for the word Calhoun – latest coverage is from THURSDAY, see for yourselves: http://www.cnn.com/search/?query=CALHOUN
The event itself is scary enough, but trying to fathom what’s behind the stealthy sneaky secrecy is (to me) even more frightening ….
Thank you King Ene.
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They don’t want us to panic. Panic plus nuclear disaster is considered worse than simple nuclear disaster. Well, if you were in charge, what would you do? Tell everyone right away? Are you sure?
I’m not.
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very clear and straight answer: yes, I would!
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well if that’s the case maybe that’s an excellent argument to close nuclear facilities.
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Foxnews is 1 day better: Friday: “Officials say Neb. nuke plant is safe from flood”
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=Calhoun&submit=Search
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Fox news is going underwater.
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That’s the least we can hope. Whoever employs Glenn Beck deserves much worse …
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Other than the once every two months Michiu Kaku or Arnie Gundersen interview about Fukushima, Fox news has much more coverage of the U.S. nuclear crises than CNN.
This one’s for Betaflare. Apparently the Catholic bishops have done more to stop nuclear power than anybody in the U.S. or Canada —
http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=17860
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Catholic Bishops on nuclear power —
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/bishops-applaud-epas-move-to-regulate-power-plants/
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National Catholic Reporter editorial — Fukushima is a WARNING! —
http://ncronline.org/news/global/nuclear-power-warnings-are-clear
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History of anti-nuclear movement in U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement_in_the_United_States
“Many religious groups in America have a strong record of opposing nuclear weapons. Rejecting the development, deployment and use of nuclear weapons is “one of the most widely shared convictions across faith traditions”.[86] In the 1980s religious groups organized anti-nuclear marches involving hundreds of thousands of people, and the Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish communities published explicitly anti-nuclear statements. Specific groups involved included the American Catholic Bishops, the Southern Baptist Convention and the Episcopal Church. Muslims also began to speak out against nuclear weapons in 2000.”
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Fukushima nuclear reactors in meltdown!
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=543261
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Hello Terranigma!
As a fellow Catholic I appreciate your comments defending the only original christian church against the frequent provocations on this forum from Beta-Flare.
On the other hand he raises a lot of questions in my mind as to exactly who is orchestrating and benefiting from this rather rapid sequence of unprecedented and ongoing disasters.
Of course Beta thinks it must be the Pope. But as far as I know The Vatican does not have a functional long term survival fallout shelter.
Nor does Vatican have any aircraft carriers, tanks or other weapons of mass destruction. These kinds of facilities and weapons are only available to the Freemasonic governments of the united States and perhaps a few other of their more well to do allies. Where is the Pope and his “minions” going to hide from the eventual consequences of this evidently deliberate chain of catastrophes?
If we are not already in ww3 we are headed there fast according to the “Papally controlled” Alex Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na48haDqpqw&feature=youtu.be
if Alex is a Jesuit plant, then why is he advocatimg taking action against going to war?
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“Both [plants] were designed to withstand this level of flooding, and neither is viewed as being at risk for a disaster, said a spokesman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.”–NYT, 6-20-11
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/us/21flood.html
Har har hardy har har.
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See? They actually *believe* in their own crap. So maybe we may not say they’re lying – it’s simply that the people in charge are either too stupid, or too evil, or both …
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In other news….. Pigs can actualy fly!
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Article at Drudge says main power back on.
Floodwaters surround Nebraska nuke plant after breach…
Residents shrug off risk…
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You can send Drudge 20 cases of straws. Tell him to put the straws together end to end, one end in the river. If he can suck as hard as he blows we can solve the flooding in a couple of hours.
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Does that mean he twitters as hard as he tweets?
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Bravo!
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When COOPER was reduced to one access road last week or earlier, they began trucking in reserve diesel supplies, but CALHOUN made no such announcement, and photos suggest they have had no remaining supply roads for 2 weeks.
Maybe they can pipe in, or boat in, their diesel.
Or maybe they face a diesel shortage.
It is inexcusable that directly affected residents and citizens are being denied both the facts and the staggering potential dangers of the nuclear catastrophies.
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No levee they can blow to spare this plant like Cooper?
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Neb. nuclear plant gets relief from levee breach
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2011/06/24/neb-nuclear-plant-gets-relief-from-levee-breach/
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Maybe they did
Officials in Harrison County, Iowa, which is north of Omaha, were also dealing with a levee breach,
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/article_f114230f-2c7d-52de-af84-e094f641369e.html#ixzz1QS3tkW7m
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OOOOhhhh..I hear Captain Ron gets very testy…when bothered.
Perhaps he can stick his finger in the hole in the dike and stop the flood….make himself useful.
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See dutchsinse.com and search engine for Dimona dozen v. Fukushima Know when you are being attacked and react quickly or lose.
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Flood berm collapses at Nebraska nuclear plant, Associated Press, June 26, 2011:
http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2011/jun/26/bc-us-missouri-river-flooding-nuclear-safety/?news&nation-world
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