Fukushima Chief Yoshida on Video: We must bring foreign experts in to help — Spoke like reactors not stabilized (PHOTO)

Published: August 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am ET
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(Subscription Only )Title: Fukushima boss Masao Yoshida breaks silence on disaster
Source: The Australian
Author: Rick Wallace
Date: Aug 11, 2012

Source: The Australian

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[Fukushima boss Masao] Yoshida did use the opportunity, though, to call for foreign expertise to be brought in to help stabilize the reactors, something experts claim TEPCO and Japanese authorities have been reluctant to do on a meaningful level.

“People won’t come back to Fukushima until the plant isstabilised and we still need to find a way to do that,” he said. “We have to bring people in from around the world. It will require people, technology and wisdom from all corners.”

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While the government of Japan has declared the cold shutdown and is anxious to talk up progress at the site, Mr Yoshida spoke in his interview as if he didn’t consider the reactors stabilised.

He said he had remained silent until now because he felt it was not right to speak while the four investigations into the tragedy – now concluded – were still under way.

Mr Yoshida said he and the other workers told everything to investigators and the findings reflected this, but their human stories didn’t come through in the investigatory reports.

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More on Yoshida’s recent medical problems: 57-year-old former chief of Fukushima plant had brain hemorrhage after becoming ill while out last Thursday -- "Symptoms are serious" says Tepco -- Hemorrhagic syndromes increased 9-fold after Chernobyl

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121 comments to Fukushima Chief Yoshida on Video: We must bring foreign experts in to help — Spoke like reactors not stabilized (PHOTO)

  • nyarlathotep nyarlathotep

    Goh, surprise,surprize…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Notice the photo does not show the left side of his neck…
    Looks like a deliberate pose…


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    “We have to bring people in from around the world. It will require people, technology and wisdom from all corners.”

    The question is, what will it take to make this simple only truth a globally accepted common sense thing. What will it take to break the denial defense mechanisme , do we really have to wait until all materialist realise , and accept from within themselves that the consume till death while getting rich artificial lifestyle is over?


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  • patb2009

    i wish he would agree to a technical interview.

    I'd like to see him describe the failures of the cooling systems by reactor and SFP and how he decided the CV's were not in failure despite the explosions


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    This is like calling in a cancer doctor a year after the patient has been diagnosed with terminal leukemia, and all they've done so far is to put makeup on the patient so he looks healthy to his family when they visit.

    And the only reason they're finally calling for a cancer doctor is because they're running out of makeup, and now they want to blame the patient's death on the cancer doctor, because it's too late to do anything about it.

    Not to mention this is a new communicable type of terminal cancer and is highly contagious…


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  • JustmeAlso

    Where is GE in this mess?
    And how can 3 meltdowns be stabilized?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Now..now..after all this time?
    waiting until the end of the investigation?
    After vague conclusions were given the people?
    Fukushima Chief Yoshida…who would know more about the situation?
    Yes.. the reactors are not stable.
    No..they can not be stabilized.
    He has allowed the people of Fukushima to be contaminated from day one..to the present.
    Perhaps concerns about telling truth in face of his own mortality..is causing him to now speak up.
    But ..mouthing words like "stablize the reactors".shows..he is still missing the mark.
    The streak of cowardice still shows..


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  • rambojim

    After 3/11 many countries offered their expertise including Russia and the US. Japan refused all offers of assistance. Whats going to happen in years to come when half the population is dying of cancer because of massive exposure to radiation and the hospitals are turning people away because of nowhere to put the sick and dying!


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  • rambojim

    I knew they would finally ask for outside help sooner or later. Guess what country will give the most!,and after our west coast has been poisoned by their radiation to boot..

    Take a look at the map of the US on radiation network. The cpm numbers have risen substantially over the last month.

    Who will help us ???


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi rambojim

      I don't think anyone will help us. However, we have to help them and also get our professionals in there. Hopefully they can sort through this, seeing if there is away to lesson the radiation that's pouring out.

      I believe with these continual layers could eventually wipe out North America. I think we will be lucky if North America lasts another 100 years under these circumstances. Something needs to be done.
      As it is, I think there will be a higher cancer rate, and other deaths related to this.
      Just my opinion, hope I'm wrong.


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    • Abbass

      Of course Tepco and the Japanese government should have asked for help before now. However I don't think everyone will agree the USA is somehow badly done by if they should end up footing much of the bill and the characterisation of the USA as an innocent victim (if I am reading this corectly) is wide of the mark. When you consider which country is directly responsible for the nuclear industry, the only nation yet to use the technology in anger and GE is an American company which built these faulty reactors in the srong place in the first place.

      Many might be tempted to see some justice however grim and unwished for in the outcome you describe.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    A few days ago..a big meeting was held..
    The DOD,DOE and the NRC..have gone to assist.
    I assume it is appropriate..for the people to inquire as to their progress.

    http://www.shimbun.denki.or.jp/en/news/20120731_01.html


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi Heart of the Rose

      We shouldn't have to inquire about the progress. The media/officials should spill the on going information to the public about what is happening with this disaster.
      It gets to me that we are being kept in the dark about this catastrophic disaster that threatens North America.

      It only shows me that they would rather protect the nuclear industry than to inform the public.
      What else have they been hiding from us?
      This withholding information causes mistrust.


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  • rambojim

    Guilt written all over Yoshida's face..


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Yes, personal death is the great equalizer. Very few people, at the very end of their lives, want to go without telling the truth. This is why deathbed confessions carry so much legal weight in court.

      There will be more. Many, many more.

      Note to the dying: Give your deathbed confessions to a lawyer, with explicit instructions to send written copies to all major news outlets.

      Note to lawyers: Start doing this work pro bono, and there will be great rewards coming.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi rambojim

      I don't know what he is feeling, but he doesn't look like a happy camper.


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  • GeoHarvey

    I wonder how this guy feels about the broader issue of nuclear power today. Does he feel disillusioned, as former Prime Minister Kan does? It will be interesting to see what else he has to say.


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    • andagi andagi

      Dear GeoHarvey,
      I wonder if he feels bamboozled? I'm anticipating his, hopefully truthful, disclosures.

      '- One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge—even to ourselves—that we've been so credulous. So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.'
      -Carl Sagan.

      Aloha.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    They got assistance from the U.S. and France already, but unfortunately there's nothing anyone can do. Meltdowns go on, and on.


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  • dodge

    There will be no get rich quick schemes from this situation. Bottom line is that expenses will be passed on to the people, Japanese, Canadians, USA, and world citizens. The health consequences will also be born by the people, Money will transfer hands, some will be found criminally responsible, but before it all shakes out, the structures we know today will be bankrupt. The bigger question is when will someone in control realize that there is no protection for the economy or industry, that the health of many people is already lost, and that the very survival of much of the earth is in question. Triage principles would lead people to focus their efforts on stopping the destruction of earths environment. This is first and most important, and with concentrated world wide effort likely still possible. The health of many people can still be protected… that is obviously the next area to protect. The economy, and business community is already lost, let it go and do what is more important and possible.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi dodge

      I think you are right there will be consequences and the poor like most of us will hurt the worse. I can see a collapse in the economy, and health issues with no health care except for the wealthy. I also agree that the very survival of much of the earth is in question.
      Radiation will win every time, until we find a way to kill this growing monster.
      Both my daughter and son-in-law now have nodules on their lungs and they go in to have it checked every so often.
      I now have a smoker cough, I don't smoke. At times it's like I can't catch a breath of clean air. So yes, I think there will be people that will keep seeing health issues, because of the Fukushima catastrophic disaster.
      Hopefully we or someone will find a way to stop this. Everyone around the world should be working on this.
      This is no longer just Japan's problem.


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      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        That's all bad news, WSP. My prayers go out to you and your family.


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      • NoNukes NoNukes

        WindSolarPlease,

        I am so sorry about your lungs! Fukushima has stolen so much from us. Maybe Noah will finish developing his nano-filters soon…


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      • RJ RJ

        @WorSplease, I'm curious where you are that this is happening to you?

        Anyway, like others have said, bad news.

        In my own little imaginative mind, I think HARRP is causing the drought to make sure the contaminated food is not consumed. Maybe a little late.

        I also think that the US and whoever have already thought up contingency plans if #'s 1,2,3 or especially 4 goes. I'm guessing they have an aircraft carrier with heavy copters ready-to-go, to dump concrete on the whole mess and bury it. Of course cargo ships refitted with hollowed out hulls and concrete mixers to work 24/7 is part of the plan so they can get as close to the plant as possible.

        We know the US Govt. is hiding the info, but that doesn't mean they are ignoring it. This way, the US'es Hollywood/Armageddon dreams will come true and they will “Save the Planet” and be the “Heroes of the world!!” As OPERATION BRUCE WILLIS carries on, who ever the president is at the time will have continuous wet dreams as the whole world erupts in a chorus of USA! USA! USA!


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        • WindorSolarPlease

          Hi RJ

          I'm in the Southwest. We did get some high readings and our food usually comes from California.

          You are not the only one who thinks how convenient the drought happened at this time, so the crops would have a harder time to grow. I do believe they have some knowledge in how to change the weather.

          If they have plans, it should have been done before the layers came in.

          I would say there were governments that knew from day one what was happening, they just left the public out of any information that might have changed their lives.


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      • andagi andagi

        Dear WindorSolarPlease,
        I'm deeply saddened with this personal news. My heart and sincerest aloha go out to you and yours. You are incredibly respected and loved here on ENENews.
        Take good care.


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      • Insight

        I am sending you healing thoughts WindorSolarPlease.
        I pray that you and your family will recover to good health.

        I think it is smart to find as much health infomation as possible
        either from books or the internet. There may come a day when there are no hospitals for anyone to use and we will need to rely on "self-help". I go to book sales and get medical books. I found a great one on severe burns and have it in my emergency "bug-out" bag. It is also good to know about healing herbs and collect some. In the future drugs may not be avaiable as they are now.


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    • pierre

      rest assured that Disaster Capitalism is alive and well, you can bank on it, that is, if you are a banker of related or in the higher echelons of the same tribe.

      http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine


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  • CB CB

    WhereTF is everybody?! Hurry up and get your asses there already! This is OUR problem.


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  • I know Rambo Jim said above that Yoshida has guilt written all over his face. I beg to differ. I believe he is the major hero in this story as he disobeyed his superiors and continued to cool the reactors with salt water. For those who don't know, it is not a good idea to cool nuclear reactors with salt water as it ruins the equipment. However having the choice of uncontrolled melt down through no cooling or cooling with salt water, cooling with salt water is the better choice. Actually cooling with salt water is an act of desperation. Yoshida's back was to the wall. Also Japan president ordered no cooling with salt water. If Yoshida had followed orders, the disaster would have been worse. Even more radiation would have been released. What Yoshida said in the interview is enough. He doesn't think Fukushima is stable and he thinks Japan needs help. What more need he say? He is 57 years old and most likely dying of cancer. I'd say he looks tired and disillusioned. Thank you Masao Yoshida for ignoring your idiot bosses and doing the right thing. Your a hero.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masao_Yoshida_%28nuclear_engineer%29


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    • rambojim

      It will be interesting to see how all this unfolds Mark..


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi Mark

      It was a bold move to use salt water, he had no other choice. It definitely was an act of desperation, and the only move he could do at that time.
      We all know salt water corrodes.


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      • Sickputer

        WSP typed these pixels of light: "It was a bold move to use salt water, he had no other choice. It definitely was an act of desperation, and the only move he could do at that time.
        We all know salt water corrodes."

        SP: Yes, good move at the time, but maybe it should have been used just a couple of days because it didn't take but a couple of weeks before they switched to fresh water. Know why? Because Kan and Obama got the politically explosive news the salt water was producing beaucoup toxic sulfur-35 and the real threat was biological "corrosion" of male human testicles. Kinda drove them nuts you might say to hear that news. Pretty soon barges of fresh water were arriving daily courtesy of the red, white, and blue until the water engineers established a reliable overland water pipeline.

        But don't take my word for it: take Jeff's words:

        "Where's That Radioactive Sulfur Now? Possibly In Your Pants"

        "When the news broke yesterday that a previously unreported type of fallout from Fukushima—radioactive sulfur—had reached the United States in late March, nearly all mainstream media reports made the claim that it poses no threat to the health of Americans. But none of them explained where the radioactive sulfur went.
        And if you’re a man, you may be interested to know that some miniscule portion of it could be in your testicles."

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/08/16/wheres-that-radioactive-sulfur-now-possibly-in-your-pants/


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    • Insight

      I agree with you completely Mark. In ONE week complete meltdown of NEVER ENDING, TOTALLY UNDSTOPPABLE, NUCLEAR FISSION would have occured. I usually agree with Sickputer and enjoy his/her posts but not this time.

      China, North Korea and Russia are about to put more than just a miniscule portion of radioactivity in every American & Japanese male… and female!

      Yoshida, I am grateful for what you did! THANK YOU!


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      • Sickputer

        Insight typed this pixels of light: "I agree with you completely Mark. In ONE week complete meltdown of NEVER ENDING, TOTALLY UNDSTOPPABLE, NUCLEAR FISSION would have occured. I usually agree with Sickputer and enjoy his/her posts but not this time."

        SP: I'm a grandpa and I think you misinterpreted my post. ;-) I support Yoshida, but also realize there were unknown consequences of using saltwater. They (Tepco) was fixated on the loss of the metal infrastructure… But the real dangers were the massive side effects of sea water mixing with tons of fissioning nuclear fuel and creating very nasty fallout isotopes.


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  • VyseLegendaire VyseLegendaire

    Japan PM in response: Harmful rumor! Japan must continue on road to recovery by sponsoring more pointless apology websites, celebrity commercials endorsing local produce, disaster debris incineration, and unwatched Youtube feel-good recovery propaganda!


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  • In response to VyseLegendaire, politicians can only do what they know. Why would you expect anything different? RamboJim, if you take a hard look at the above picture of Mr. Masao Yoshida, really he looks pissed off. The poor man has every right to be. 57 is young here in BC. I am 51 and have a 2 and 3 yr old and I can lay any 30 year old I want. Poor Buddy, Mr. Masao Yoshida is only 6 years older then me and looks well over 20 years older and basically he is looking forward to a slow painful death of some sort of cancer probably no doctor is familiar with. Opiates won't help. All Mr. Masao Yoshida did was due diligence in his job. He may not even collect his pension. We should all spend a few minutes in silent contemplation and respect for Mr. Masao Yoshida. He was the one who poured salt water on a fire set to go out of control in a horribly wicked fashion mankind still hasn't witnessed. Mr. Masao Yoshida, I tip my hat to you who should be a national hero. Rather you got a thanklessly stern talk to for insubordination and a hasty retirement into abject pain. "It is not stable." Enough said. Coming from Mr. Masao Yoshida, just confirms pretty much all our fears. Rambo Jim, take a close hard look at that Man, Mr Maseo Yoshida and see the tragedy of the human existence. I pray for Mr. Maseo Yoshida and wish him well and thank him for his bravery and honour.


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    • rambojim

      Mark..

      You have a vivid imagination..


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        ..Umm..Well..if we are going to get interpersonal here..asking for prayers for this man. And that is all good and well.
        ..A lot of time has past from the beginnng of this situation. And we have all had time to take our postions.
        ..having never needed..anyone's confirmation as to the condition of the wells.
        I prefer..that my relationship..stand clear and away from an sympathy his situation might incur.
        He is a traitor to his people and the world and judged as such.
        Part of what is wrong in society is that all deeds no matter how heinous..are to be forgiven.
        He is is in the opposite camp ..from Heart of the Rose.
        His concern for my life and times…I reflect back on him.


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        • RJ RJ

          Don't know what you do for a living …Hear..t..of…R…os..e, but I'd bet you've never been confronted with a nuclear crises. GEEESH!!!!!


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            @RJ..Heart of the Rose is confronted by this nuclear crisis ..everyday.
            All of those that chose to speak out…face this crisis better and with more courage than anyone else around.
            Yoshida having watched this with his very own eyes…has had and has the opportunity to tell the truth.

            The seriousness of the points of contention..do not allow forgiveness..from me ..anyway.
            I assume this will be carried out by his Maker..
            Good luck with that….


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        • Insight

          To say…"He is a traitor to his people and the world" creates you into a traitor of the meaning of the word.. HEART.
          Loving…. your statement is far from that. I am trying to have compassion on the statements you have made about
          Mr. Masao Yoshida. However since his virtue was and is one of
          dedication to the survival of the people of Japan and the world, I simply can not condone your erroneous remarks.

          He saved the lives of the very people that condemn him.


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          • rambojim

            Insight,

            Time will prove you right or wrong..


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            • Insight

              rambojim there is very little time left for most people. The discussions here are for the most part moot. Informative yes…interesting… yes….and even passionate expressions of humanitarian doctrine are posted here. However, very few people are willing to turn around and face the fact that we are on the brink of a global nuclear war where many of the nuclear sites people want to shut down are going to be attacked. If you live near one of those sites you are probably going to die. If you live in a major city, your life is in peril.
              The past can not be changed. The nuclear sites exist, the excess nuclear waste is abundant and no one is prepared to survive the holocaust that is looming on the horizon. War is coming… it will be nuclear… it will be fought on every NATO countries land; America, Britian, Canada, France, Spain, & Poland, among others will be bombed!
              And of course Israel, Iran, Russia, China, India, Turkey,Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan… there are more but it will suffice to say this will be a global nuclear war. It's coming soon and people have as much a chance of stopping it as standing in front of a fast moving freight train. Who is prepared for this? Do you know where your closest fallout shelter is? Do you know how long it would take to get there? Make plans to survive this.


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              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                @rambojim..before others encourage…the underground tomb..let's take a swing at 'em.


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              • rambojim

                Insight,

                You could be right.You could be wrong. I think that the religious fanatics and zealots are the most people to fear and not a particular government. These people will wipe out half the human race in the name of their god and have a clear conscience while doing it. They are the ones to fear…

                The end of the world has come and gone before.Live each day to the fullest. I do….


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                • Insight

                  Rambojim, I spend hours of my time on different news websites of countries such as Iran, Israel, Great Britian, Russia, China & Turkey
                  (plus many more). I gather information on militay events and planned military strategy from these news reports. I know who is supporting who and why.I read about where they are positioning themselves for combat.I study their governments.
                  There are very complex interrelationships of organized militaristic nations and their agendas. They have strength in their unity of purpose. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) is an intergovernmental organizational agreement between Russia,China,Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan,Tajikistan,Uzbekistan. There are additional countries that are not members but have express that they will support the SCO. Those countries are Afghanistan,India,Iran,Mongolia,Pakistan,Belarus,Sri Lanka,and Turkey(currently a member of NATO but obviously will not support NATO when
                  the war begins) The SCO is ANTI-NATO.

                  I am not wrong about the upcoming war!

                  Most people look at the Israel/Iran/Syria conflict and think that is the only threat to war.
                  The South China Sea conflict is just as severe, is not based on religion, and will occur at the same time because the combatants are mostly the same nations (except throw in North Korea and Vietnam as not supporting NATO in the China Sea war conflict)


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                  • Insight

                    Have you noticed that Japan has recently had 3 "spats" over territory:

                    1. South Sea with China

                    2. Islands with South Korea
                    http://www.japantoday.com/category/opinions/view/simmering-discontent-between-japan-and-south-korea

                    3. Islands with Russia http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/japan-russia-talks-bring-no-progress-on-island-dispute

                    This seems to me to be a bit more conflicts than usual but I could be wrong.


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                    • Insight

                      Hello Majia,
                      Actually these are long standing disputes that have been negotiated for years without resolution. Takeshima, the Liancourt Rocks in the southern part of the East Sea (otherwise the Sea of Japan).Territorial disputes between Japan and China (Senkakus/Diaoyutai), between Japan and Korea (Takeshima/Tokdo), and between Japan and Russia, (Southern Kuriles/Northern Territories) are the source of regional security concerns.
                      Japan rivals China as the leading Asian investor in Russia! The 18 February 2009 start of liquified natural gas shipments between Japan and Russia – energy supplies which Japan desperately needed much more than it needed an immediate resolution of the Northern Territories issue – basically ensured that neither side will risk disrupting the Japan-Russia relationship.
                      In 2009 Dmitry Medvedev became the first Russian President to visit the island group, home to 19,000 Russians. In February 2010, his defense minister visited the largest island. Japans prime minister called the Russian visits an unforgivable outrage. Japanese rightists protested in Tokyo, trampling a Russian flag and mailing a bullet to the Russian Embassy. On 10 February 2010 apan and Russias top diplomats traded undiplomatic language Friday over a 65-year-old standoff over disputed Islands. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called Japans position radical, adding that dialogue has "no chance."


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                    • koshkasobakina

                      Hello, Majia, sorry to intrude on your conversation with Insight, but I was wondering about all those moves Japan was making around different groups of islands. My impression was that they are looking for the places in case they have to evacuate people in a hurry. What do you think?


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                    • Insight

                      It is more complicated than just the island disputes listed above.
                      Here is the best link for an overview of the situation with China all in one site.
                      China is the biggest problem.
                      Check out the catagories.
                      http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/south-china-sea.htm


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                  • rambojim

                    Insight

                    We are a warring species. Our brains are hardwired to be a warring species. The caveman needed this mechanism to fight or flight. That is what keep our species from going extinct. Unfortunately,we never lost this now nasty characterization,and it will be the reason, I believe for the end of our existence..


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                    • VanneV anne

                      There are precious metals on the islands that are part of the dispute between Russia and Japan.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      The people we need to blame are those who brought about the construction of Fukushima in the first place. The US likes the personality construct of blame. Just get rid of one person, and the problem is solved. Demonizing one person will never solve any problems. Decisions are multi- national and multi-personed. And the people in charge are not the prominent people in the news, but are carefully hidden from view. The prominent people are just the puppets who love the money, the power, and the glory and do the bidding of the shadow governments.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      My comments are to the discussion and not to any one person. It was hard to reply where I wanted to because there was no reply button left there.


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                  • Insight

                    Please understand this… There is an urgency in the timeline of the war between Israel and Iran which is nearing the breaking point. Iran repeatly claims they WILL NUKE Israel.
                    Now… there is also an urgency in the timeline that the USA has to protect its' military superiority because of the captured US DRONE that Iran has."Among the United States' main concerns is that Iran could use an intact aircraft to examine the vulnerabilities in stealth technology and take countermeasures with its air defense systems,” reports Iran’s FARS news agency. “Another is that China or other US adversaries could help Iran extract data from the drone that would reveal its flight history, surveillance targets and other capabilities. The drone was programmed to destroy such data in the event of a malfunction, but it failed to do so.”
                    Iran used a cyber-attack to capture the drone.In May the DoD formally filed paperwork that says computer sabotage from another nation counts as AN ACT OF WAR. Speaking to the Wall Street Journal at the time, one US military official was quoted as saying, “If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks.”
                    The US can not allow China and Iran to have time to access the advanced technology in the variety of systems that is in the drone . . . it's a potential gold mine.


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            Truth telling is tough business.
            It's not a popularity contest..that's for sure.
            I never promised a love fest..just devotion.


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          • aigeezer aigeezer

            Insight, your argument is flawed in the following way. Yoshida ran the nuke plant. The meltdowns occurred on his watch. The protections in place were inadequate. He was a willing participant in a deadly enterprise.

            His situation is analogous to that of an arsonist who celebrates going belatedly into the burning building to rescue some of the occupants.

            He is no hero, no matter what heroic acts he may perform in future. I hope he performs many heroic acts in the time he has left, but he can never undo what he has caused or allowed to happen.

            These kinds of arguments are well understood and there is rich literature on the topic going back at least to Aristotle.

            "Aristotle believed people can generally see which types of rules are conventional, and which by nature, and he felt that most important when trying to judge whether someone was just or unjust was determining whether someone did something voluntarily or not. Some people commit crimes by accident or due to vices other than greed or injustice."

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics#Book_V:_Justice_and_Fairness:_a_moral_virtue_needing_special_discussion

            The reactors are still in meltdown regardless of anything Yoshida might do now. If he saves someone now that is wonderful, but it would be someone that his team put at risk in the first place.


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            • RJ RJ

              Yeah right. In a perfect world Mr. Yoshida would have brought all the risk factors to the board meetings, then the board would have made the necessary fixes, and this would have never happened. Furthermore, they would have told the Pacific plate not to move and instructed the tsunami to stop at the shore.

              Rosy & Geez, I'm guessing you understand group dynamics. That’s why it boggles the mind to at least give Mr. Yoshida SOME credit for bucking the system. If you’re angry at Mr. Yoshida just for working at a nuke plant, well that’s illogical.


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              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                @RJ.. No..anger on my part..I expressed my opinion..
                It's serious ..hopefully reflecting..opposition to being spoonfed..a concept that is false.
                The plant can not be stabilized.

                I don't want to hear it.


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              • aigeezer aigeezer

                CR, my stance is that nobody should work at a nuke plant. Yoshida had a choice and he chose to work at a nuke plant. People who chose to work in nuke-world now are beginning to notice the consequences of their choices and a few are belatedly trying to make amends.

                There is an expression "to understand all is to forgive all". It illustrates a logical fallacy that any heinous act can be explained away by taking into account the state of mind of the perp, the social pressures of the moment, the indignities (s)he suffered as a child, and so forth. When you go down such a path, nobody is ever accountable for anything. At a literal level, it is of course true – there are no uncaused events. At a practical level, it is, um, unhelpful, in any system of accountability.

                Imagine how much safer the world would be if every human being had just said "no" to a career opportunity in nuke-world. Most of us here did exactly that. Yoshida did not.

                Tsunami or not, if Yoshida and his cohort had not played their role in building and operating the plant, then there would be no meltdowns at Fukushima today. His occasional efforts to undo damage are irrelevant to the bigger picture.


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                • 6feetunder 6feetunder

                  @aigeezer

                  "Imagine how much safer the world would be if every human being had just said "no" to a career opportunity in nuke-world. Most of us here did exactly that. Yoshida did not"
                  I was recently offered $500.00 a day to work at Palo Verde in AZ USA. I turned it down on moral grounds.
                  The problem with that thinking is these NPPs have no OFF switch and the infrastructure of the NPPs are going bad constantly. Because of the economic structure of our world the NPPs have to keep running and unless an economic paradigm shift occurs we are stuck. The west is in an economic death spiral due to massive banking government corruption. Other dominoes to fall that are equally lethal are the 400+ bio weapons labs in the US. Our Government is gearing up for martial law in the US and planning on millions dying. It is disaster capitalism on a massive scale. Most can't see that because it hurts the eyes to look.
                  thegreatculling.org


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  • I gotta say, I have taken a pretty casual attitude toward money and work before I was a Father and have seen a lot of weird stuff in my blue collar sojourn to keep beer and illegal drugs on the table….

    And the cheap way TEPCO does things and the mis information it reports to the public, the Japanese government and most likely to its stock holders and, too bad that the obvious involvement the Yakuza have with TEPCO will never be more then conjecture. I would imagine, given my personal work background, working for TEPCO would be a combination of working for the plastic molding firm with the smokey haze throughout its facilities the ancient forklift truck with no roll cage and a smokey propane engine which just added to the plastic smoke AND the biker owned strip bar used to sell coke but still running as a legitamate business even though half its staff were paid in cash and everyone was hopped up on coke and you just had to turn a blind eye to survive. Yeah and poor Masao after going through all that BS ends up with a reprimand and a painful death to shorten his natural life by twenty years, maybe. Thank God I never took up a career in nuclear energy.


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  • rambojim

    I have also seen a lot of weird stuff in my sojourn.

    Thirty eight years in law enforcement…..


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  • rambojim

    @ Heart Of The Rose..

    Some deeds deserve no forgiveness…


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @rambojim..Thanks for your comment.
    I feel this way.
    No forgiveness given.
    Nor.. if the "shoe was on the other foot"..would I expect to be forgiven.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Ex-Fukushima nuclear plant chief denies ‘pullout’ in video

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201208120042


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    He could ..say something to the effect..that the seawater effort failed..
    Saved burning fuel?…NO.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/17/japan-nuclear-crisis-fukushima-seawater-reactors


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..and then of course there is the issue of the effects of seawater on nuclear fuel…such as fracturing and corrosion.

    http://www.chemeurope.com/en/encyclopedia/Nuclear_fuel_response_to_reactor_accidents.html

    Big help ..aye?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..The plant can not be stabilized..the children of Fukushima..and affected areas remain where they are.
    His false words are of no help…


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  • 6feetunder 6feetunder

    @aigeezer What do you think of the idea of mandatory psych tests for the public and private sector decision makers. Clearly our world is failing with self serving psychos in power.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      6feetunder, they'd find a way to rig tests, I think, and a person who earned an acceptable score today might change behaviors after being in the halls of power for a while. I once worked for a company that gave mandatory psych tests to all management candidates – we were scared beforehand, but we all "passed", it seemed.

      I'm generally dismissive of the concept of "leaders" and "followers". In adulthood, I've never met anyone I would follow voluntarily and I certainly don't want to lead anyone anywhere.

      I'd prefer to see everyone take more voluntary, thoughtful responsibility for outcomes – as you did with your Palo Verde decision, rather than rely on "the authorities" to think and act on our behalf. Implementation of such a "village" model is the challenge that may sink it, but we are seeing the existing "shepherd/sheep" model slowly collapse, I think.

      I'm very impressed by the way in which the Enenews community handles the bits of information that come our way. Some insightful things are said, some goofy things are said, but usually a reasonable consensus emerges.

      Sooo… rather than mandatory testing for "leaders", I'd rather start out with mandatory "openness and transparency" with "we, the people" (humanity at large, not any one nation-state) deciding whether things were open and transparent, not "they, the leaders". Strip them of all their secrets!


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  • Insight

    Sanctions against Iran have increased Chinas trade! Japans unilateral sanctions,froze the assets of individuals and entities linked to Iran's nuclear program, barred Japanese financial institutions from buying bonds issued by Iran's central bank, and banned financial activity with 15 designated Iranian banks that could contribute to nuclear activities.

    Among Chinese exports to Iran, parts for nuclear reactors, boilers and machinery such as air conditioners ranked first or second for more than a decade, according to China Customs figures. These parts totalled US$2.3 billion last year – or 20 per cent of all Chinese exports to Iran, making up by far the largest share of goods.
    Concerns over Iran's nuclear ambitions have prompted increasing international and unilateral sanctions in recent years. In June, the UN Security Council, with the support of China, issued its fourth round of sanctions against Iran. The United States, EU, Japan and Australia followed with even harsher sanctions
    A Chinese official visiting Tehran for the Asia Co-operation Dialogue meeting told the press UN sanctions had little bearing on China's normal trade with Iran.
    "Our policy is very clear. We conduct our foreign policy based on mutual respect and not interfering in each other's domestic affairs," said Tong Xiaoling, ambassador to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

    Sounds like China considers nuclear war a "domestic affair".


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