Fukushima Cover-Up: “Keep cancers a secret” say doctors — “We’re getting leukemia and cataracts and we die suddenly” — “Students having sudden heart attacks” — Officials “actively ignoring” reports of illness and death

Published: November 14th, 2017 at 6:14 am ET


Adam Broinowski, visiting research fellow at The Australian National University, 2017 (h/t Fukushima 311 Watchdogs) (emphasis added):

  • Faced with the post-3.11 reality of government (and corporate) policy that protects economic and security interests over public health and well-being, the majority of the 2 million inhabitants of Fukushima Prefecture are either unconscious of or have been encouraged to accept living with radioactive contamination…
  • As Fukushima city resident Shiina Chieko observed, the majority of people seem to have adopted denial as a way to excise the present danger from their consciousness. Her sister-in-law, for example, ignored her son’s ‘continuous nosebleeds’, while her mother had decided that the community must endure by pretending that things were no different from pre-3.11 conditions. [Source: Shiina Chieko, interview with the author]…
  • Some, such as Yokota Asami (40 years old), a small business owner and mother from Kōriyama (60 km from FDNPS), demonstrated initiative in voluntarily evacuating her family. She decided to return (wearing goggles and a mask, she joked) in September 2011 when her son’s regular and continuous nosebleeds (in 30-minute spells) subsided. The Yokotas found themselves the victims of bullying when they called attention to radiation dangers… Her son was the only one to put up his hand when he was asked along with 300 fellow junior high school students if he objected to eating locally produced school lunches. He also chose not to participate in outdoor exercise classes and to go on respite trips instead. When it came time to take the high school entrance exam, he was told by the school principal that those who took breaks could not pass. He took the exam and failed. When he asked to see his results he found that he had, in fact, enough points to pass (the cut-off was 156 while he received 198 out of 250 points). [Source: Yokota Asami, interview with the author]…
  • Asami reported that doctors undertook paediatric thyroid operations while denying any correlation (inga kankei) with radiation exposures. They also urged their patients to keep their thyroid cancer a secret… Yokota also indicated she knew of students having sudden heart attacks and developing leukaemia and other illnesses. [Source: Yokota Asami, interview with the author]
  • This seems to be supported by Mr Ōkoshi, a Fukushima city resident, whose two daughters experienced stillbirths after 3.11. While Ōkoshi found that doctors have regularly advised women in the area to abort after 3.11, presumably to avoid miscarriages and defects, they do not discuss direct causes. He also observed regular illnesses experienced by many of his friends, and some sudden deaths. After a friend (62 years old) started saying strange things, he was diagnosed with brain dysfunction. He died quickly. Another friend (53 years old) was advised by a doctor to monitor a polyp in her breast. When she sought second opinions, she discovered she had accumulated an internal dose of 22 mSv and had a rapidly developing liver cancer. She also died quickly. [Source: Mr Ōkoshi, interview with the author]
  • There are many more such stories that are being actively ignored by the authorities. As Shiina put it, ‘we’re getting leukaemia and cataracts and we die suddenly. The TEPCO registrar has been inundated with complaints’. [Source: Shiina Chieko, interview with the author]

See also: Health effects from Fukushima are being hidden — Japan not publishing data on stillbirths, spontaneous abortions, cancers, and more (VIDEO)

Published: November 14th, 2017 at 6:14 am ET


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    .."the 2 million inhabitants of Fukushima Prefecture are either unconscious of, or have been encouraged to accept living
    with radioactive contamination"

    Studies show that it takes a minority of just five percent to influence a crowd’s direction – and that the other 95 percent follow without even realizing what is going on.

  • Mack Mack

    All of that cancer, pain and death…for what? For an energy-source that only provides maybe 10% of the world's energy (and that amount could easily be conserved thereby negating the need for nuclear power) which pollutes our water, air and land for generations with dangerous radiation…


    .."The majority of people seem to have adopted denial as a way to excise the present danger from their consciousness"

    Instinctive recognition of nature's danger signals have been dulled.

    The recent global outbreaks of Legionnaire's is a perfect example.

    • GOM GOM


      CDC: ..Detection of an ostensibly virulent Legionella strain endemic.
      Endemic? ..regularly found?

      Disneyland: Closed for "Refurbishment".
      [In case you missed last thread, Legionaires in the cooling towers.


      HOLY S•IT

      Assessment of the health risks related to proliferation of Legionella in water in the cooling towers of nuclear power stations


      ..that would explain a lot

        • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

          "The most common form of transmission of Legionella is inhalation of contaminated aerosols produced in conjunction with water sprays, jets or mists. Infection can also occur by aspiration of contaminated water or ice, particularly in susceptible hospital patients."

          "The most common form of transmission of Legionella is inhalation of contaminated aerosols. Sources of aerosols that have been linked with transmission of Legionella include air conditioning cooling towers, hot and cold water systems, humidifiers and whirlpool spas. Infection can also occur by aspiration of contaminated water or ice, particularly in susceptible hospital patients, and by exposure of babies during water births. There is no direct human-to-human transmission."

          "There is no direct human-to-human transmission."

          Hold on just a moment here, I think that sentence is bullshit.

          Water sprays, contaminated water, jets or mists? Like, coughing, sneezing, spit and other bodily fluids? I figured that's why it's contagious, considering what I've seen and experienced regarding some "flu" or "pneumonia"-like symptoms.

          • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

            Mere breathing, even.

            "The most common form of transmission of Legionella is inhalation of contaminated aerosols."

            I mean, exhalation also involves aerosols. At least, last time I checked.

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          It is one of the creepy things when work around cooling towers daily. You do some tests. Wash your hands. Avoid mist. Add some 'biocide'. Biocide is creepy. F'in humanity.

          If its not one thing, its another.


          • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus


            Deflection from the actual problem, which is related to what they propose as the solution (which is even worse than the problem they're trying to avoid mentioning).

            "We engineer new strains of flu and shit every almost perpetually, so because of this you need these super toxic vaccines, annually, that lower your immunity to other engineered pathogens!"

  • laconic93 laconic93

    And they wonder why 18 year old Japanese Pop Stars are dying.

    Any body living in Japan within 100 miles pr many more south of Tokyo should evacuate , especially young children.

    NSAPJ PC: Red Emeperor


    Absorption of Radionuclides from the Fukushima Nuclear Accident by a Novel Algal Strain

    Here we describe the accumulation of water-soluble radionuclides released by nuclear reactors by a novel strain of alga. The newly discovered green microalgae, Parachlorella sp. binos (Binos) has a thick alginate-containing extracellular matrix and abundant chloroplasts.


    Looks like Fuku is producing it's own algae.

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    'keep those radiation diseases a secret', skews the 'studies'.


    USNRC on severe nuclear accident phenomena

    "Epistemic uncertainty" is the scientific uncertainty in the model of the process. It is due to limited data and knowledge. The epistemic uncertainty is characterized by alternative models.
    For discrete random variables, the *'epistemic uncertainty' is modelled by alternative probability distributions.

    *To evaluate "epistemic uncertainties", the efforts are made to gain better knowledge of the system, process or mechanism. Methods such as probability bounds analysis, fuzzy logic or evidence theory (Dempster–Shafer theory –

    In English, they no nothing about severe nuclear accidents. Some of you already surmised this. 😉

  • freebywill

    Fukushima Cover Up https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/31/fukushima-cover-up/

    by Robert Hunziker October 31, 2016

    It is literally impossible for the world community to get a clear understanding of, and truth about, the Fukushima nuclear disaster. This statement is based upon The Feature article in Columbia Journalism Review (“CJR”) d/d October 25, 2016 entitled: “Sinking a Bold Foray Into Watchdog Journalism in Japan” by Martin Fackler.

    According to the CJR article, “The Investigative Reporting Section [Asahi] proved an instant success, winning Japan’s top journalism award two years in a row for its exposure of official cover-ups and shoddy decontamination work around the nuclear plant.”

    When considering the awards Asahi won during its short foray into investigative journalism, like Japan’s equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize in 2012 for reporting about a gag-order on scientists after the Fukushima disaster and the government’s failure to release information about radiation to evacuating residents, now that Asahi has been forced to put a lid on “investigative journalism” and it must toe the line in “press clubs,” any and all information about the dangers or status of Fukushima are ipso facto suspect!

    The world is dead silent on credible information about the world’s biggest disaster! (Which causes one to stop and think… really a lot.)

    [ full article at the link, about media silencing by the Abe criminal cabal ]

  • freebywill

    28 mins | The Thyroid Cancer Hotspot Devastating Fukushima's Child Survivors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu-JQetHRBY

    Journeyman Pictures Published on Mar 10, 2014

    Radiating the People: Worrying new claims say childhood cancer cluster has developed around Fukushima radiation zone.

    In a private children's hospital well away from the no-go zone, parents are holding on tight to their little sons and daughters hoping doctors won't find what they're looking for. Thyroid cancer. Tests commissioned by the local authorities have discerned an alarming spike here. Experts are reluctant to draw a definitive link with Fukushima, but they're concerned.

  • freebywill

    29 mins | The Children of Fukushima: Tony Cheng | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAknVFhvFlw

    Fukushima Exposed Published on Oct 19, 2016

    [ some links from the vid description box ]

    It’s official: Japan’s population is dramatically shrinking https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/02/26/its-official-japans-population-is-drastically-shrinking/?utm_term=.24a1c1eabc63

    By Adam Taylor February 26, 2016

    [ no mention in the article as to the cause of the population loss ]

    Fukushima children face 6,000 % increase of thyroid cancer http://mieuxprevenir.blogspot.ca/2015/05/fukushima-children-face-6000-increase.html
    Source: Pravda.Ru, 21 May 2015

    Fukushima prefectural government announced they found malignant or possible malignant thyroid tumor from 127 children so far. Among 127 children, they confirmed 103 children cases are thyroid cancer. Before 3/11, pediatric thyroid cancer was found only in one of 1 million children. The population of Fukushima prefecture is approx. 2 million in 2012.

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    Wade Allison (Mr "So what?") is not a very prolific tweeter. Lately, tho, he's been on (nuclear waste) fire.
    Sample tweet: "Better newer safer nuclear reactors? Good, BUT DONT TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE BALL. THE ENVIRONMENT NEEDS US TO BUILD NEW NUCLEAR NOW, EVEN OLD DESIGN PWR like Fukushima. BEWARE the carbon industry likes to put off new build and force existing plant to CLOSE!"
    Note the caps. The demented old demon must need thyroid meds. He's panicky.



    1981 United Kingdom

    The outbreak occurred in 1981 in a nuclear power plant.

    All articles kept sauong "industrial".. Then, BAM.


    * I can't access it?? ..WTH?

    Outbreak of legionnaires' disease from a cooling water system in a power station
    PDFhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › pdf
    by S Morton · 1986 · Cited by 34 · Related articles
    Mar 3, 1986 · British Journal ofIndustrial Medicine 1986;43:630-635 … The outbreak occurred in 1981 in a nuclear power …. Water samples from the four cooling towers which..

  • razzz razzz

    Sure reads like classic radiation poisoning.

    Japanese government told their doctors to ignore the early warning signs of radiation exposure and now those conditions are morphing into cancers and related problems.

    After radiation exposures (to Daiichi fallout), incubation periods for serious cancers is a minimum of five years so the time is ripe for more complicated cancers to begin appearing.

    More people were exposed in Japan to Daiichi's fallout compared to Chernobyl's fallout because the Japanese population centers were nearer fallout pathways.

    Pretty sad when you can not even rely on a doctor for a proper diagnosis.

  • 4Yahshua

    11~14~6000 (out of 6000) in this LAST YEAR
    Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Returns VERY SOON!
    Pray NOW to be SAVED and SEALED in THEM.
    Revelation 14:1 HalleluYah! Hebrew: "Praise ye Yah!"

    Orange County,Southern CA checking in! For weeks now
    dozens of honey bees have been dying at our front door.
    I found this out when I was stung putting on my outdoor shoes.
    (Twice!) I sweep them out but the bodies keep coming. We
    have been here 28 years and had hardly seen any dead bees.
    We have lots of garden so why are they choosing to die at our
    front door??This seems to be a very sad message to us. I
    believe that the radiation here must be getting worse or the
    government has a new plan. They killed hundreds (thousands?)
    in Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and the CA wild(?)fires! Who's NEXT?
    Bees that are sick will not go back to their hives to contaminate
    others. If the bees are dying in masse, are WE far behind?


  • curly


    The map in this article shows state by state how many have, and die of cancer. Although probably capable of being much more precise about cancer hot spots, this is probably the best the public gets from the CDC.

    It's weird, or not, that these numbers are from 2014. Why would a fresh article about cancer use 3 year old numbers? I guess in 2020 we'll find out about 2017 if we're lucky.

    • Ya curly all that shit is totally computerized out of the gate, so how come they can't pull it together in say 3 days, much less 3 years.

      Because if they produced the data in real time, people might want to react in real time.

      When the horse is out of the barn 3 years ago…..it's too late, get back to the Kardashian distraction.

  • curly

    I keep hearing the phrases, "we need critical mass", or "when the public wakes up it's gonna be Nuremburg on steriods." Looking at the area around 3 meltdowns in Japan, you'd expect a mass awakening. But according to the article, the opposite seems true. The masses there don't want to hear it, and they tend to persecute any of the awakened or those who don't deny.

    Humans are so out of place here on earth. We ruin everything we touch. Don't worry about the black plague, or some disease thawing out in the arctic. Whoever or whatever has already released the deadliest plague. It's those creatures walking upright on two legs with large brains.

    • DUDe DUDe

      "..Looking at the area around 3 meltdowns in Japan , you'd expect a mass awakening. But according to the article, the opposite seems true.."

      Globally speaking , its still pretty isolated for "mobdynamics" to kick in and overide all dividedness..against all authority..about who the enemy is..imho

  • freebywill

    18 mins | Fukushima: Living with a Disaster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe_TCM7f71w

    GreenpeaceVideo Published on Mar 10, 2016

    Five years after the nuclear accident in Fukushima, an end to the disaster is not in sight.

    This short documentary tells the story of the people from Fukushima, forced to leave their homes without knowing if they could ever return, and explores the work that Greenpeace has been doing in the region since 2011.

  • Isthmus

    Potassium. One onehundredth of one percent of potassium atoms are radioa ctive. The rest are needed in the blood, if you are deficient you will pass out. Hormessis is referring to non radioactive potassium only. Just pointing out where to look.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Isthmus, how do you know the radioactive atoms in potassium dont confer some benefit to life? Supposition or are there proofs? Ive never heard that hormesis refers to only non radioactive potassium. I believe the researchers think some level of radioactivity boosts your cellular repair functions, at least for a period of time.

      In fact the studies done with reduced radioactive potassium isotopes are very few. I only found one and heard of the results of another….two studies. One of them indicated that a reduction in the radioactive isotope resulted in reduced health. The other one showed that you can increase the level of the radioactive isotopes 100x and there is no mutation. Even a one thousand fold increase resulted in little observable increase in mutation.

      One can tentatively conclude that there is something about the nature of radiation from potassium which is compatible with life. The same is not true with nuclear fallout

      • razzz razzz

        With Potassium-40 having a long half-life one of the decay products is stable calcium. Somehow that calcium might be good for you.

        Still use an inexact science for date rocks.

        'Determination of the Radioisotope Decay Constants and Half-lives: Potassium-40 (40K)'

        Remembering deadly radiocesium is recognized by the body as a potassium analogue, radiocesium travels throughout the body and animals and plantlife as easily as potassium.

        • and potassium is incredibly essential to life. stock out

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            What does this have to do with the radioactive isotope danger?
            "and potassium is incredibly essential to life. stock out"

            For me, thats a non starter of an argument. If you replaced only the radioactive potassium isotopes of potassium (k-40) with cesium radioactivity….so that the radioactivity was the same, and of course you have the same amount of incredibly-essential-to-life potassium, you would have a toxic substance that alters your metabolism, causes genomic instability, morbidity and disease.

            and by the way you would have a million times fewer radioactive atoms in the mix.

            I calculate that a single atom of C-137 out of the 50 to 100 trillion atoms in a cell is enough to cause this metabolic shift toward morbidity. Despite what they say, life does NOT recognize cesium as potassium, it just gets in by the same pathways.

            apparently, the answer of why life thrives with potassium radiation and dies with much less fallout radiation is not so easy to intuit. I did point a lot of things out but I guess it was a bit boring or something…plus it was buried in 5x as much wallpaper from Dr you-know-who

            • It was kind of a drive by comment

              My point being, that potassium is everywhere, it is one of the big three fertilizers in plant life, it is in all animals, and it is all uniformly (although mildly) radioactive.

              If you believe the ICRP human body modeled as a bag of water, it is our largest radioactive "burden", in order words I shall state that the ICRP model is utter balderdash, yet those who were "taught it" treat it like the gospel, obe would say it's a cult, LOL

              • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                "…it is all uniformly (although mildly) radioactive. "

                Explain. I would imagine the ratios of k-39, k-40, k-41 vary.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  the ratios of k-39, k-40, k-41 dont vary.
                  'mildness' of radiation doesnt seem to be the answer, since you can jack up radiation from potassium a hundred times and still not have the danger you get from cesium 137. A factor of 100 is significant. For example, you cant take 100 aspirins even though you can safely take one.

                  • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                    Wait a minute, I thought k-39 and k-41 were classified as stable and k-40 not.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      The variation in potassium isotopes is taking a long time. The point was that you dont find a variation across the planet, only over long periods of time. If you want to be a wise guy, explain what your point is. Please be specific, thanks

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      I was simply asking how stock figured it was uniform, when it possibly (maybe even probably) isn't. You argue a super low amount of cesium is really dangerous, relative to potassium. But I must then ask, well, perhaps radioactive potassium has a similar effect, but over a much larger period of time, and with stochastic effects, could almost inobservably (is that a word?) STILL cause damaging effects. This, however, from a somewhat pessimistic perspective.

                      I guess I'm almost contemplating what Isthmus had to say.

                      "Please be specific, thanks"

                      Your usual cop, out.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      'Naturally occurring potassium is composed of three isotopes, of which 40
                      K is radioactive. Traces of 40
                      K are found in all potassium, and it is the most common radioisotope in the human body.'

                      40K does not occur alone, and you won't live long/healthy without K. Choices.


                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      But I gotta be supernatural, AST. I'm firing random arrows.

                      What about k-40 relative to some of the older organisms, in terms of lifespan?

                      That's the sort of random shit I think of.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      How is asking bullshitters to be specific a cop out? I try to be specific.

                      The ratio of K-40 to the other two isotopes is known to 4 or 5 decimal points and is considered a constant around the world.

                      I take the toxicity of C-137 from Busby's group. I take toxicity of K-40 from studies like this

                      Life was thriving for untold generations with 70 bq/kg from potassium. A similar radiation level from cesium causes heart defects in a short period, along with genomic instability, metabolic changes etc.

                      What is it about my posts that makes you argumentative (vainly), call me full of shit etc? Examples would help. I cant play games, too old…not into it. Thanks

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      CS, I checked that link, I read "quickly".

                      E.coli isn't exactly all life, is it, and when observing something that is unstable over a long period of time, doing a 10-14 days study isn't necessarily super indicative.

                      Of course I question.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Who has a choice? It is like debating the fact that O2 is an oxidant, and can cause harm.

                      I'm thinking it is here a long time, it decays to stable Argon. 1% of the atmosphere.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      AST, the question is not whether life exists with potassium radioactivity…the question is this; is the constant comparison of cesium 137 to potassium radioactivity a valid baseline, as made by Woods Hole, NOAA, the industry in general.

                      Is an amount of radiation from background equal in danger to the same amount from fallout, as told to us in almost every press release, or are they wrong, and if so, how wrong?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, by all means question the so called experts. The bacterial study is relevant to other life forms though. We share the same cellular functions and much of the DNA. As much as you and I would like other studies for k-40 toxicity, they apparently dont exist. But…and this is big….just look out your window, if you can get up off the floor

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      CS, can I tell you a neat trick related to genetic engineering?

                      I can use speciies/studies/samples suited to my narrative.


                  • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                    Of course I can take 100 aspirins, I probably have. But then again, I didn't take them within like 1 hour.

                    Currently I've had some weed, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, nicotine, codeine, paracatemol and aspirin. I am sure it will eventually aid my ability to sleep.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      If you have a point, please spell it out. You are answering my point that a 100 fold increase in any substance, without causing toxicity, is kind of remarkable. Drink 50 gallons of water a day for example, or take 100 bee stings

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      But CS, I'm dying. 1 aspirin wasn't safe.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, when are you due to die..be specific, thanks. I mean, everyone is dying. Aspirin isnt particularly good for you. Dont take when having shingles!
                      Please dont BS me, I dont have the stamina for it. Thanks

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      Not bullshitting you CS, can you honestly say k-39, k-40, k-41 are uniform?

                      If so, it would mean that k-39 and k-41 has decay rates (in a different way) exactly proportional to k-40. Is that true? I don't fucking know.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, as far as I can tell, you are bullshitting. We just explained above that over long periods of time the K-40 is obviously decaying where the stable isotopes are not. I did the math for you showing life had around a million becquerels per cubic meter at the genesis of life on earth. You can look up the isotope ratio yourself. See that its given to many decimal points and is considered a constant over the globe, in relevant time periods.

                      If you have a point, please explain

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      CS, You're stuck in k-40 lala land.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, I think youre argumentative for no good reason. Someone had to look into the Woods Hole, industry and science wide contention. You didnt do it,…I did it, and now you give me shit for it.
                      Print this out and put it on your wall

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      CS, I give you shit, because you seem to like being full of shit.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, it would be a help to me if you would agree not to engage or follow my posts with your wallpaper. Look, there are plenty of other pickin's here to ply your belligerent bunk. You go after me but leave Hippie Dog alone? Geez, says it all. Thanks

                    • Classic moments in ENE Sports….

                      "CS, You're stuck in k-40 lala land"

                      The Farthington has it.

                      Bravo!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

                      Trollin trollin trollin…

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        • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

          Do any cesium decay products mimic calcium?

          • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

            Or perhaps, if not directly. Do cesium or decay products, reacting with other elements in the body, mimic calcium?

          • That's strontium that mimics calcium directly.

            The cesium connection is this…

            Cesium is a potassium analog…

            The (natural) potassium connection is that potassium converts many combinations (through many factors/processes) of nutrients into calcium…

            Ever wounder how a cow has huge bones and yet weans off of milk or any other direct calcium source of any consequence as a juvenile (never to drink it again)? Last time I checked it was from the combination of minerals in the grass they are designed to eat.

            A cow doesn't drink or eat anything naturally that has a large amount of calcium in it and yet they grow huge dense bones rich in it right?

            Even the k40 (naturally radioactive) in potassium is a known and proven part of the process of converting nutrients to calcium…

            So if you replace natural potassium with cesium and both are radioactive but one is a nutrient and the other is a mined metallic poison and the body thinks it's potassium. You would have to conclude that cesium, while not decaying directly into calcium in the wild is a component of the bigger combination of ingredients that make up calcium in animals.

            So yes cesium does decay into a component of calcium in the animal body.

            I call that a yes! Cesium does decay into calcium but only through animal/human metabolism, but that probably brings up more questions than answers right?

            Anybody got any additional help / information on this one out there?

            • AirSepTech AirSepTech

              'After entering the body, caesium gets more or less uniformly distributed throughout the body, with the highest concentrations in soft tissue.'

              'In July 2011, meat from 11 cows shipped to Tokyo from Fukushima Prefecture was found to have 1,530 to 3,200 becquerels per kilogram of Cs-137, considerably exceeding the Japanese legal limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram at that time.'



              134Cs-> 134Ba;134Xe
              137Cs-> 137mBa;137Ba


            • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

              I was thinking collagen production related stuff. Maybe magnesium, boron, vitamin-d, phosphor, not so sure. Newbie at this.

              This is fucked though.


              "How likely is cesium to cause cancer?
              There are no studies regarding non radioactive cesium and
              cancer. There are no human studies that specifically
              associate exposure to radioactive cesium with increased
              cancer risk."

              • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                Btw, a few days ago, I wanted to mention something related to myeloid stuff and pharma racketeering, but it seemed like it would've been too random, so I didn't.

                But now, I think I should mention it. Unfortunately I have to look for it again.

              • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                Grim. Almost like I knew.

                CAS #7440-46-2, sure it's not 47, but close enough.


              • "How likely is cesium to cause cancer?"

                If it's man made nuclear cesium the chance of cancer is 100 percent if not excreted from the body quickly…

                That's not "if" it will cause cancer, that's a "when" will it cause cancer… If a hot particle lodges in your body you will get cancer in that area, even if you don't show symptoms for years.

                You may get lucky if it never stops traveling from the time you ingest it until the time you excrete it and the hot particle(s) leave your body quickly. But even that ideal situation will increase your risk and cesium is known to accumulate in your bladder between urination(s) and causes cancer by the simple holding time.

                But even more than that fact is this…

                Many die of heart problems before the cancer can even show symptoms.

                The heart holds a concentration of potassium much higher than soft tissue and your other organs so if cesium is a potassium analog (and you can't live if your heart fails more than a few moments)…

                ..you wouldn't even notice the symptoms from cancer in soft tissue if the dose is high enough or you were borderline on kidney or liver function. Then the cesium would remain in circulation in your blood longer, and long enough to damage your heart to mortality WAY more rapidly than it takes cancer to develop.

                You would die suddenly from a heart attack or stroke instead.

                Seeing this in spades from Japan and the "Jet Set" crowd from around the world…

                • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                  Don't you find it interesting though that the CDC can't even reference non-radioactive cesium carcinogenicity studies?

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    non radioactive cesium is considered about as dangerous as salt

                    • "non radioactive cesium is considered about as dangerous as salt"

                      Yo code what's up….

                      Nopper it's (non radioactive cesium) actually about as dangerous as non radioactive lead…

                      Think about that one for a moment…

                      And check the periodic table.

                      Gunpowder and Lead Music Video:


                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HD, I know you dont care if you are wildy wrong, but for normal interested people;

                      lead …………………..LD50 450 mg/kg
                      table salt …………….LD50 12357 mg/kg
                      cesium chloride ………..LD50 2600 mg/kg


                    • And not sure where you get cesium, it's not even in that first document…

                      Here's a exerpt from the second link you posted for your viewing pleasure (and I like not being a normal if that's what you want to call this tripe).

                      Potential Acute Health Effects: Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion.
                      Potential Chronic Health Effects:
                      Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS:
                      Not available. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL
                      TOXICITY: Not available. The substance is toxic to mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance
                      can produce target organs damage.


                      Ya like apples? How about them apples 🙂

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Please keep your foot in your mouth, it reduces unwanted gibberish. I gave you two links that cover LD50 for lead, cesium and salt. You are unhappy with that for some reason? Because it proved you wrong?

                      I didnt say cesium was non toxic, I said its considered about as toxic as table salt. You didnt prove that wrong. Of course you probably dont want a bunch of cesium…but thats not the point…the point is that its not the chemical danger that is causing damage from Cesium 137 fallout. Please dont follow up on my posts with your bullshit, it would save time. thanks

                      From your link;
                      It is unlikely that children or adults would be exposed to enough 133 Cesium to experience any health effects that could be related to the stable cesium itself. Animals given very large doses of cesium compounds have shown changes in behavior, such as increased activity or decreased activity, but it is highly unlikely that a human would be exposed to enough stable cesium to cause similar effects.

                    • As usual you double speak and try to avoid the obvious…

                      Cesium is hugely poisoness in any amount regardless of radioactivity…

                      This is a "no brainier" for those with a chemistry background and even those with good common sense! Why?

                      The metal's tendency to react violently when in contact with water means that Caesium is considered a hazardous material…

                      Well I wonder how much of your body is made up of water?

                      Let's see here…


                      Does salt do that? Is salt a hazardous material? I sprinkle it on all kinds of food and never saw it (the food) catch fire from my salt shaker…

                      We are talking about a highly reactive heavy metal called cesium, not cesium cloride or cesium dog poop or cesium cat litter box.

                      Cesium is a soft whitish metal that is highly reactive with ANY moisture containing water and you code are at least 50 percent water at any given moment…

                      Just stick your head in the microwave code…

                      The microwave would have nothing on you ingesting cesium metals.

                      Try to get with the real program if ya can help it code…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HD, of course you are totally wrong out of the gate, and ignore the official data that I JUST LINKED TO. For that, I advise all readers to save time and ignore your posts. I dont know what your trip is, but I dont like it. Sorry, from a humanist perspective…

                      "Cesium is hugely poisoness in any amount regardless of radioactivity"

                    • "HD, of course you are totally wrong out of the gate"

                      Really code the PMS never ends huh…
                      So according to you…

                      …I'm wrong from the beginning of the truth? Really?? I'm wrong to tell you that ANY amount (whatsoever, radioactive or not) of cesium in your body is a VERY bad and unnatural thing? Really??

                      Don't ya hate it when that happens?



                      Scary stuff boys and girls (hehehe) 🙂

                  • The reason you don't see studies on these materials like cs133 from the CDC is they are so rare, they are not a real health threat (at least not before the modern electronics age).

                    So you can basically relate Cs133 (a soft heavy metal) to things like mercury, lead and so on…

                    ..while these things are stable from a nuclear perspective they are VERY poisoness to ingest and even toxic if absorbed through the skin.

                    While there is no real energy released as electrons from the stable 133 it's very chemically toxic as is 134 (hugely toxic chemically) and 137 (also very toxic chemically).

                    Here's a quick scoop on stable cesium and potential health effects….




                    Here's the periodic table:

                    This is a GREAT link to bookmark…


                    Basic stuff:


                    Isotopes of cesium?


                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      The CDC domument on cesium is here

                      Public Health Service
                      Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry

                      You are not likely to experience any health effects that could be related to stable cesium itself.
                      Animals given very large doses of cesium compounds have shown changes in behavior, such as
                      increased activity or decreased activity, but it is highly unlikely that you would breathe, eat, or
                      drink amounts of stable cesium large enough to cause similar effects.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Feet everywhere beware the gobbler.

                      "I call that a yes! Cesium does decay into calcium but only through animal/human metabolism, but that probably brings up more questions than answers right?"

                      While your link mining, dig one up for that

                      Maybe even one for the 'cloud seeding banditos' doing life sentences. Call it extra credit.


                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Drivel mutt, when you toss off vague crap like "twisting of known obvious facts ", without a definitve link, you have no credibility. That is an obvious fact. Because I said so. Intellectual cowardice on your part. You don't care.
                      When you throw out that PMS shit, its obviously factual that you are a disgusting piece of shit.
                      Also obvious that you are spawn of socref. Same subject matter. Potassium. Paid nuke puke shill. Say hi to socref, I don't miss him. A vile misogynistic sub human for reasons besides nuke murder. Like you.
                      Bye, now, got a movie to watch.

                    • Funny thing there Daaaanger kitty is all the links you were blabbing about are just above your message, if you would have bothered to look…

                      Happy Gobbler day…

                      Here watch this one…


                    • "Intellectual cowardice on your part"

                      Really danger kitty?

                      Or could it be we don't give guns to monkeys…

                      Here's a must see…

                      Monkey Sprays AK 47 at Militant Soldiers Then Claims His Victory:


                      danger kitty? Ya there???

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    How is it that Farth cant find the CDC doc on cesium? Only one answer; he didnt look. As for Hippie Dog, he has argued many times with me and never been correct once. May I use the colloquial vulgarity? thats fucked up you two. Please make a note of it

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Beat me to it, Code. I was gonna say this looks like a patient articulate college professor explaining a highly technical concept to a pair of lazy whiny brats.
                      What's fucked up is that this has been repeated over and over again. Why don't the whiny brats save the material code puts out study it as you would a textbook, then ask questions. And don't cover the same damn ground twice, oops make that 10 times.
                      Whimper all you want you to, I'm not going to stay here and engage. I've been trying to introduce my doctor to the concept that my thyroid issues might be related to my blood pressure spike. Same kinda effort; it's like trying to walk through knee-high mud. It's exhausting having blod pressure of 200 over 100, too.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      non radioactive cesium is not considered a carcinogen. What about that do you not understand? On the contrary, people use it as an alternative cancer treatment modality

                      wait… what? wate,.. wut? wa,.. wu? wu..wu? wooowooo boobehoobewhooo? Doo…doo? wake…up?

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      DK, did I post the .pdf posted, yet suggested I did not find, about 3 hours before CS did, or not?

                      Does that make CS a troll?

                    • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

                      Yes CS, the CDC does not consider cesium as a carcinogen.



                      That looks kinda dodgy to me.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      DK, blood pressure 200 over 100? You have to take immediate and decisive action. Look into Hulda Clark on that subject. Many other remedies also. Email me if you cant find links. I know more than one person who has successfully reduced blood pressure with herbs. There is a cause…find it. You have been dosed with the same stuff that ended your beloved wife. You have the chance to get that shit out of your body and alter metabolic damage.

                      Good luck to you brother…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, I didnt see your link


                      I kinda dont follow your wallpaper…no time for it, I hope you understand.

                      If you think Im a troll, you have no power of discrimination. Surprising, considering your level of education and apparent intelligence

                    • Is codes twisting of known obvious facts ego or pure stupidity?

                      Maybe it's Caesium chloride and table salt…

                      Maybe it's Caesium carbonate

                      What about Caesium lithium borate

                      Mabe even Caesium hexafluorocobaltate(IV)

                      How about Caesium cadmium chloride

                      Or even Caesium perchlorate

                      Nope It's Cesium 133, that's the subject…

                      Not a compound, not sprinkled into your cat's litter box (that would be really interesting when that usless nasty cat finally took a piss though)

                      Not a bait and switch from one discussion to a totally different material to look smart and defend a bunch of tripe?

                      Nope it's stable cesium we are discussing here…

                      Hey let start a discussion about the insults a person that uses a totally different substance to look smart and hoping people will think she is right but obviously is suffering from PMS or some such illness does when proven not only to be totally off base and wrong, but just doesn't have the learning or listening capability it takes to really understand the subject of cesium on a radiation site she posts on all the time…

                      Yea that would be a subject for some good free government money research huh…

                      Oh wait they already ended that study…

                      They called it learning disabled…

                      Dang and I needed the free government welfare money to study that too….

                      Could it be Satan?


                    • Damn Danger kitty sorry to hear that…

                      Think diet and I don't mean low salt, I'm talking about fresh juicing…

                      Green Juice FOR BEGINNERS:


                      And code…

                      "The CDC does not consider cesium as a carcinogen"

                      Hey geniuses they use I-131 to treat thyroid cancer too… What does that say?

                      In today's world of pollution anything that causes damage (especially ingested) should be considered a carcinogen…

                      All cesium compounds react with water, you are at least 50 percent water…

                      Produces heat and cell wall damage making the cell more vulnerable to damage from radiation, even from natural sources…

                      Hippie's Custom Carcinogen Definition Update:


                      Any substance that promotes cancer:

                      Through it's own energy (Radioactive)


                      Any substance that damages the natural defenses chemically and increases the chances of cell mutation (chemically poisonous)…

                      Both are carcinogens working in succession…

                      And cesium in any form should not be ingested (will absorb through the skin like mercury too)…

                      In real life anyway…

                      Don't forget to eat your veggies.


                    • or-well

                      LOL! Hippie Dog is the lowest kind of troll – enjoys being an asshole and revels in his own stupidity.

                    • or-well

                      HD, from week 1 here proved he's a troll, liar, stupid and an asshole.
                      That's a homerun, dogbutt !
                      With stats like that, who needs cred?

                    • or-well

                      Don't worry about following McAss' wallpaper, he's not here to actually communicate. He's Enenews' own Tommy, screaming 75 times a day, day after day, week after week, month after month – "Mommy, pay attention to ME! ME! ME!".
                      You're fuckin' pathetic, Ass.

                    • Hey look!!! A perfect example….

                      …By actual definishion in truth and evidence.

                      In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.



                      Wow and who's the real troll again?


                    • Jebus Jebus

                      HD, look in the mirror.

                      Who do you see…

                    • "HD, look in the mirror.

                      Who do you see…"

                      It ain't you Jeb… and I'm too tall to be a troll…

                      Trolling-Official Trailer:



                      The Wigner Effect – Full Interview:


                      🙁 🙁 🙁

    • laconic93 laconic93

      BOOMSHAKALA!!!! Original Thread Found.


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      The Fuse is lit … whitin 8 hours …
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      more i can not say , you will all see it yourselves ..

      on tv , mass media , and all other channels will only be talking about this … within hours…

      World… be prepared… for the shock.

      Watson Reactivate Internet Assassin.

  • laconic93 laconic93

    ****BLACK ALERT****
    New message from same user who predicted Earth Quake (Nuke Test) Exactly 8 hours to the MINUTE before it happened. Predicting imminent attack after planned major speech. AND WHO TWEETED ABOUT A MAJOR SPEECH YESTERDAY???? CYBER ATTACK BY NK PREDICTED AND ALL READY WARING FROM MILITARY INTEL/

    #NorthKorea: The U.S. government has issued an alert about cyber attacks it said are sponsored by the North Korean government. NK cyber divisions have done many operations to retrieve more currency and information from government computers.

    Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75525188

    MAYBE LAST HINT : Wednesday or Thursday

    Its gonna be : within 6 hours before an already planned Big speech … the speech will then be used to go further on the deceiving happening … (if ,.. don't fall for it)

    OR … " The Day After " … when you least expect it.


    Hint : the us intelligence is very soon gonna announce a cyber attack from north korea … to cover the event.

    till later


    • Cryptic stuff there…

      Here let me try one…

      A dog will fart early in the morning of a upcoming major rock concert and as a cow takes a dump in the field a farmer will be shoveling a stall.

      It will come from the dog and the cow to your nose if you are there.

      Hint: The birds will be singing and the ground will shake…


      Whatta ya know I found the actual real information and posted it…

      If you are gonna take the time and the chance of getting caught to post real intel you would just post it in plain easy to understand messages quickly and anonymously.

      Kind cool though, this one's like a Nostradamus opium fueled rant poem poet guy huh…. Isn't "hydro super pot" legal in Belgium? 🙂

  • Isthmus

    Good to mentally scrub this. I believe bottom line is all sources of radiation can be cumulative reason is. It's all sunlight from the sun suns. Imagine. That we live. In a zone between gravitation and radiation too. Much of either one is going down a path to kill the body. So when pronuc athorities say that radioactive potassium is good for us that's a lie more an overt of omission the omission is that only the non rads are good for our health because it might be only one radioactive atom that causes the domino effect of mutation and cancer.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      The idea that one errant cell or one radioactive atom causes the domino effect to cancer is not correct, as far as I can tell.

      Cancer is a metabolic malfunction involving six fundamental requirements. Fallout makes you sick first, cancer later.

      Pro nuke authorities DONT say radioactive potassium is good for you. Instead, they follow your view

      Observation tells us that there is no cumulative effect from radioactivity in potassium, at least over generations. No genetic instability. Likewise, tests show you can increase radioactivity from potassium by a factor of 100 and there is no mutation. That would be a level of radiation 100x more than the radiation from cesium 137 that causes heart abnormalities as described by Bandazhevsky.

      Apparently understanding radiation danger is not straightforward.

      • Your'e right too…

        It's all about the immune system…

        … so, why do dogs live less than 25 years? Well first he sniffs buttox (hehehe)…

        Second his (ralf the dog's) immune system capabilities are taxed WAY harder than a human and the level of toxins and biologic infection the dog is exposed to over his (ralf the dog's) lifetime takes the toll.

        Study dog deaths from cancer, they are way easier to find than human mortality reports (sinus, feet and belly skin cancers) AND cataracts in age groups of different sized animals on record.

        Look at the pet/vet mortality numbers… Public and no laws on privacy to combat like humans. Please Note: I believe in the privacy of a human/human doctor client relationship.

        The animal mortality rates from cancer should all be public (and by law too).

        Here's a good start…


        Walking with his nose to the ground with a big bowl of dog food (and a limited immune system) makes a dog age at 10 (count em) 10X our rate.

        The assumption that having a dog lick a wound is somehow a good thing is silly…

        Did you see what he was licking earlier? Wow… Let's (ralf the dog) eat a turd out of the back yard and lick ya in the face too…

        Don't forget to put poison on my (ralf the dog's) back for fleas too?


        Instead of using chemicals just mix some brewers yeast in with his feed for no fleas and ticks (works for cat's too)..

  • Here is a good one for Google fodder:

    Why does radiation cause nose bleeds, what is the mechanism?

  • Discussion on how "well" said carbon tax is working in Europe—
    Or winning the race to export our jobs to other countries with lower costs.

    A big boost to reducing our emissions will come with Brexit. What should be all over the front pages today is that car exports to the EU will cease on 30 March 2019 and production will have to stop. What the legacy media can’t comprehend, along with the Business select committee chairman Rachel Reeves who had it explained twice but still didn’t grasp it, it that certification of cars produced in the UK is because of our membership of the Single Market. May and Davis are taking us out of this so the VCA will not apply. The SMMT chief made a bit of fist explaining it as if he couldn’t bring himself to face the truth. No car manufacture will save a lot of CO2. And because the government is choosing to take us out of the Single Market, all chemical and pharmaceutical exports to the EU will cease as their certifications become invalid. That save a lot more CO2. Shame about the jobs and tax income though.


    Nov 1, 2017

    North Korea nuclear crisis ALERT: Radioactive cloud 'to ENGULF hemisphere,' warns China


    *keep scrollling down for article..story is broken up, but a good read.


    Oct 25, 2017
    Halden Reactor, Norway

    Mystery Radiation Leak & No One Reported It

    *Radioactive leak reported at Norwegian nuclear reactor

    The Halden Reactor, which was built in a mountain cave in the 1950s, was closed for maintenance at the time of the accident.

    "There is no danger to health. The radioactive dosage they have received is low"

    **Wiki: In late 2012, Norway's privately owned Thor Energy, in collaboration with the government and Westinghouse, announced a four-year trial using thorium in an existing nuclear reactor.



    June 20,2017
    Halden Reactor, Norway

    Second round of thorium test irradiation underway



    A Nuclear Intrigue..

    “The source of radioactive iodine emissions that was recently discovered over several European countries came from the Halden Reactor,” crowed one Russian blogger at Trashbox.ru. “The international environmental organization Bellona says so!”

    The next day, Bøhmer awoke to find himself portrayed as a lone hero thwarting a pan-European conspiracy to hush up a Fukushima-level radiation emergency.


  • Isthmus

    B gates just purchased 25,000 acres 45 min w of Phoenix az. Plans to build a smart city. Also maybe a new hwy there I 10 to Las vegas

  • theworldisalie theworldisalie

    Human beings need to go back to being simply animals, otherwise all is lost.

    Who am I kidding, it already is.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Never happen..then the masters wouldn't be able to charge the human animals for all they have…like they do now. I am sure if you look real hard through all of one's possessions one might find something they got for free..say a business card or say a token or maybe a stick one picked up off the ground at the side of the road.

      All the animals that are not human animals..pay for nothing.

      Thinking the masters will work on correcting that one next.

      Seems they are killing them all off though..how dare they take shit for free!

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Re-open the X-files.

    Replace "alien-government conspiracy" with "nuclear-government conspiracy."

    The nuclear story would be scarier.

    Call it the "NX" files

    Smoked sausage causes cancer. Not nukes. I want to believe. Sarc


    It is just the beginning. See (Aug. 28, 2017) The Thyroid Cancer “Hockey Stick”:

    !-> @ https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/08/28/the-thyroid-cancer-hockey-stick/

    + NEW (Nov. 15, 2017) Oct. 2017 Ru-103 Detections Highest since 2011 + Record High MDCs @ Switzerland Radiation Monitoring stations; + Czech Republic I-131 & Cs-134 Measurements During “Ru-106 Cloud” compared to 2011.

    !-> @ https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/oct-2017-ru-103-detections-highest-since-2011-record-high-mdcs-switzerland-radiation-monitoring-stations-czech-republic-i-131-cs-134-measurements-during-ru-106-cloud-compared-to-2011/

  • Jebus Jebus

    "Potassium-40 can present both an external and an internal health hazard. The strong gamma radiation associated with the electron-capture decay process (which occurs 11% of the time) makes external exposure to this isotope a concern. While in the body, potassium-40 poses a health hazard from both the beta particles and gamma rays. Potassium-40 behaves the same as ordinary potassium, both in the environment and with in the human body – it is an essential element for both. Hence, what is taken in is readily absorbed into the bloodstream and distributed throughout the body, with homeostatic controls regulating how much is retained or cleared. The health hazard of potassium-40 is associated with cell damage caused by the ionizing radiation that results from radioactive decay, with the general potential for subsequent cancer induction."


    It's quoted…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Jebus Christ Jebus…what are you doing quoting Annes favorite link…the ICRP model at Argonne labs? Why? Do you agree with it? Do you find fault with it? Do you think it is based on actual tests, and if so where are they? Do you know thats the source that Woods Hole might go to when they make the standard and ubiquitous claim that nuclear fallout is of no concern? I dont get it, please explain. Thanks. Gamma is photon energy. Not all wavelengths of photons act the same. …but you know that

      • Jebus Jebus

        It would be more interesting to see your papers refuting all claims on that page and showing that's where Kenny gets it.

        I saw: 1.3 billion and 0.012%. I'm ok with that since before birth…

        And yes there is an amplitude for every frequency of every atom.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Jebus, well thats what Ive been doing for years now. You want me to deliver it all over again? If you are fine with the Argonne labs documents, then you have nothing to worry about from Fukushima or any other nuke accident, just like they say.

          Check it out…you can rest easy now;
          K-40 almost equal toxicity to C-137. But the ocean has 1000x more of it and you have five times as much as the ocean…so the only thing to worry about is potassium. Its really a no brainer!

          the whole Argonne Labs kit and kaboodle

          • Jebus Jebus

            They put that on a page.

            I'm not so much doubting you as goading you into doing what anyone with such assurances of their work.

            I've read it all. That doesn't mean anything. I can't as one change anything. I can only agree with most of it and I know that the odds of a decay happening in K-40 in that small percentage of potassium is pretty small with that activity level they state. It can harm me, but it probably won't.

            The results are not in with the rest of the potpourri of unstable isotopes, and others…

            Somebody needs to do it…

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Jebus…well we know your chance of potassium decaying and emitting beta and gamma and the occasional positron-electron anihilation is close to 5000 times per second. Thats about 70 decays per second in each kilo of Jebus. The SAME level of radiation from C-137 gives 'cesium heart', changes your metabolism etc, as explained by Bandazhevsky.

              So what I want to know from your reasoning…if cesium isnt chemically harmful, and it isnt, relatively speaking, and the decay rate and radiation type is about the same as K, and you think the K probably wont hurt you any, and your linked Argronne labs document affirms this, do you still have a suspicion that Cs may not be good? Please explain

              • Jebus Jebus

                All those are your words.

                And by your assemblage of posts I believe you know it is not good for biology…

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  My assemblage of words concerning dose rates can be found anywhere. So the dose info and quantities are not really in question. One could stop right there and read Buesselers 'our radioactive ocean' and believe that swimming and eating anything from the ocean or in Japan is totally harmless. Its 1000x less damaging than the radiation naturally in your body at all times.

                  Busby has an assemblage of words that go like this; that argonne labs toxicity info looks official, but it could be off 1000 times, even a million times depending on the radionuclide in question.

                  What I did was try to explain why by exploring research papers and distilling them for everyones reading ease and pleasure. Thats to say, I didnt make any primary research nor make anything up.

                  More is unknown than known. But I can look at untouched nature, and I can look at that navy guy without legs, and know that the official dosimetry is really pissing mad wrong. Same goes for the posters who chide me for going after the official narrative

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    It's pretty obvious that excluding biology from the nuclear equation from the get go created an environment not connected or concerned with biology.

                    We were warned long ago.

                    I just hoping for someone with the chops to step up…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Im looking at the USS Ronald Reagan sailor in the wheelchair with his legs cut off…and in court they will use that argonne labs or very similar dosimetry to argue Fukushima didnt do it. And right here we have Hippie Dog and Farthington deriding me for explaining how that argonne labs data is wrong…and of course we have Jebus posting it, saying he isnt worried about that low level of radiation, and nobody knows shit about what an overburden is. Its Effed up

              • Jebus Jebus

                Maybe you will put together solid work on the electrical aspects of the equation.

                The differential comes from somewhere.

                Is someone lying about activity levels?

                What do we eally know?

                Results show a differential…

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  While the fallout quantity is in question…type and quantity (think unit three and four fuel pools, nano fuel alloys, USS Reagan, Hawaii etc), basically they arent lying about activity levels. There really is 1000x more natural radiation in the ocean than fallout and you really do have five times as much natural radiation as the ocean (per volume).

                  What people have a hard time getting their heads around is that all ionizing radiation is not the same. You instinctively want to think the answer must lie in the QUANTITY..some unknown additive quantity of unreported fallout, chemical mixes and hot spots…and maybe its not so bad after all? This is a difficult hurdle. Busby says you can be off by a MILLION TIMES with that kind of thinking.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    the radioactive burden concept. What is the guideline limit for cesium fallout? The values given seem to vary widely and Ive never taken the time to make sense of it.

                    Start with this; Bandazhevsky says a mere 70 bq per kilogram is enough to screw up your heart health…permanently. Thats the amount of radiation you get from potassium, coincidentally. But lets go higher…one limit given is 350 bq/kg. We want to get a feel for how much stuff this is.

                    Anybody can and should check my numbers. Go to Wolfram Alpha…its not difficult.

                    A do-not-exceed level of 350 bq/kg is a whole body burden of 25,000 bq. Convert that to the number of atoms and I get 35,250,000,000,000 atoms of cesium. By the way, thats five times the burden that Bandazhevsky says gives heart morbidity.

                    So lets find the number of atoms of cesium per cell gives a body burden of 25,000 bq; there are
                    # of cells in a human body = 1x 10^14
                    We see that there are about three times as many cells in a human body than the number of atoms that is an official toxic burden limit. Or an average of 1 cesium atom per three cells.

                    There is maybe 100 trillion atoms in a human cell. To visualize this, imagine each cell represented by one square inch. 100 trillion square inches is a square area 157 miles x 157 miles. One atom of cesium out of 100 trillion atoms of normal body stuff is toxic! This isnt a random hit to your DNA; This is a systemic change in body metabolism. I have given many clues how…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      oops, should read, imagine each ATOM, not cell, represented by one square inch (sorry metric people). If each ATOM is a square inch, then one cell would have 157 x 157 miles of atoms. Thats assuming my math is error free….wishful thinking at best! So that shows how little cesium it takes to change your metabolism, your mitochondria, your electrical impulses. It makes your body into a sugar loving, meat glue factory that manifests as cancer or some other problem down the line. But…how many times have I repeated this?

                      Transglutaminase is 'meat glue'

                      'A TG2-induced shift in glucose metabolism helps breast cancer cells to survive under stressful conditions and promotes their
                      metastatic competence.'


                      'Transglutaminase is a tumor cell and cancer stem cell survival factor.'

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      many people probably dont realize that those official dosimetry papers are not substantiated by real world tests. Thats right, they are suppositions only. When real epidemiological data comes out of Chernobyl, radiation scientists scoff at it.

                      But there have been a few studies, one of which was on dogs. They gave dogs enough radioactive cesium to kill them within weeks.

                      I wanted to know…how much stuff are we talking about?

                      lethal dose of becquerels for a person from cesium137 =10,080,000,000 bq
                      (from a dog study)

                      unless I made an error, thats
                      14,212,800,000,000,000,000 cesium atoms in your body kills you in a short time.

                      That works out to about
                      140,000 Cs atoms per cell

                      number of atoms in a human body= 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

                      if one atom out of each 500,000,000 normal atoms is a radioactive cesium atom, you die a painful death within weeks.

                      That is an extremely small amount of stuff, very deadly! This is not one cells DNA getting hit and developing into cancer. This is a disruption of your entire biology. The radiation does not have to impact the nucleus. The cytoplasm, the cell wall, the mitochondria and metabolic pathways…your cells are mortally wounded.

                      This is not common knowledge, much to my amazement. The nuke cartel does not want you to know…and most scientists are bamboozled on this, blinded by doctrine

          • Jebus Jebus

            Some are trying to get a handle on it.

            There are some gems in here.

            Unnamed Timelines.

            Determination of the activity level of artificial isotope 137Cs and natural 40K and the selected heavy metals in the Tatra Mountains ecosystem


  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Scully: "Not an immediate threat to public health"

    Mulder: "Not an immediate help either, Scully."

    Scully: "Just because your sister died of cancer…"

    Mulder: "It wasn't a dream! It was real."

    Scully: "Four of five MDs say cancer is caused by smoked sausage."

    Mulder" "I've got some sausage for ya."

    Gripping drama.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "They also urged their patients to keep their thyroid cancer a secret…"

    Once word gets out, everyone will want thyroid cancer. Sarc

  • Jebus Jebus

    Radiological Overburden

    Sprinkled into an all ready altered chemical soup.

    Nobody knows shi… err… e-coli.

    Amoebas to zebras. Starfish to silverfish.

    Crickets to crows. And all the rest…

    How much overburden, is too much?

    Is it the same for you and/or me.

    Can it be quantified as a reference?

    Is it the same for e-coli from a flea?

    Is the overburden from manmade nuclear waste the same for every entity?

    Nobody knows…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      e-coli is the most studied organism…a model organism for genetic research. I dont think its correct to suggest that radiation damage is de facto due to 'overburden' or that the showing of no mutation of e-coli when the radiation is enriched more than 100x and no reduction of mutation when it is reduced is of no significance because 'nobody knows shi*'

      • Jebus Jebus

        Like I said, nobody really knows shit about global manmade nuclear waste contamination and the ones that think they do, publish their work.

        With their name at the top.

        And the rest, meh…

  • Jebus Jebus

    Gamma radiation at a human relevant low dose rate is genotoxic in mice

    "One of the controversial assumptions of the LNT model is that it does not take biological defence mechanisms (e.g. DNA repair) into consideration – mechanisms that could conceivably modify the risk of cancer at low doses. Additionally, very little is known about effects of chronic exposures at low dose rates, despite their human relevance.

    To date, only few studies have addressed the effects of LDR radiation within a range which is of human relevance as it can be found after accidents like in Chernobyl and Fukushima. Even fewer have investigated the biological effects of continuous chronic LDR radiation despite their relevance in occupational and environmental contamination settings."


    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      what is the significance of this study? They made mice selenium deficient for two generations and then gave them radiation from Cobalt-60. The selenium free mice showed DNA damage…a small increase of 34 single strand breaks on top of the 200,000 ssb of 'spontaneous' breaks normally existent.

      Maybe Im simplistic, but it seems to indicate that mice who are messed up with no selenium and exposed to gamma from cobalt60 show some DNA damage. Maybe if the mice had normal selenium and the gamma was from potassium they wouldnt have extra ssb?

      • Jebus Jebus

        "what is the significance of this study?"

        It suggests through their observations that everyone needs to study more because no one really knows the effects of global manmade nuclear waste contamination…

  • razzz razzz

    Guys like farth lack a starting point. People step into the middle of a subject and get bombarded with information, some bad, some good, some pointless to the discussion.

    With nuclear you have to travel back when manmade radiation began and what natural radiation was in place just before that point.

    Even if manmade fission only produced elements that were not radioactive, earth would have to deal with heavy metal poisoning from all the new elements being created. Add in radioactive elements from that fission and you have heavy metal poisoning along with the various forms of radioactive decay along with associated daughter products, more elements.

    Were people dying of cancers earlier in history? Yes, but not so much as present day. Was life expectancy shorter back then? Yes, but more of a nutritional thing or lacking knowledge and availability of a good diet.

    Are humans superior now versus then? Not really as faster communication and travel shrinks the world, more observations can be had. Humans have not evolved much in even 10,000 years. Improvements in awareness and capabilities are educationally based bringing invention including manmade fission to a point of contradiction (left undeterred could possibly destroy planet Earth).

    I think we could have lived just fine without ever venturing into manmade fission while understanding natural fission/fusion at the sametime. Least that would have been the smart play from a supposed evolving brain.

  • oldster

    Re nuke science: Good science requires a commitment to the intention of accuracy and honesty. But the twentieth century was a cultural disaster, in institutions, pertaining to integrity. The 20th century's world wars were of great negative influence in 'justifying' and mandating broad secrecy and disinformation, and a dominating culture of deception was continued through the 'cold war' and its aftermath. Also there came advertising.

    This culture of deception/manipulation included being assured of the reality of many fictitious things, and having hidden, many terrible things.

    Public agencies and the like, that nominally had critical leadership roles to play in protecting the public interest, became, almost without exception – I can't think of any notable exceptions offhand: perhaps the Lancet for a while – 'weaponized' as bulwarks of oligarchic or corporate or military-related interests. For example the FDA became an enabler of pharmaceutical con-artistry; the WHO became among other sins an enabler of nuclear folly by allowing the nuclear monstrosity to control the WHO message to the global public re radioactivity.

    Lies and censorship breed confusion, and in this era of 'living better with chemistry' and 'too cheap to meter' nuclear electricity, and geoengineering shit raining down on us, etc, we now have many lifeforms destroyed, harmed, diminished, including us, the protaganists, and the biosphere deteriorating. We can't bs our way out of this mess…

  • Plus, youse guys are arguing too much. Get active, do something good!

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      from GOMs link above;

      'The sign says “Danger Zone.” An explosion on September 29, 1957, contaminated an area of 23,000 square kilometers and exposed more than 270,000 people to significant levels of radiation.'

      Man and his nuclear machines make dead zones surrounded by sick zones, sick people, declining populations.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        That would be the now and the approaching future..which is the now.

        Strange I know..

      • DUDe DUDe

        "Man and his nuclear machines make dead zones surrounded by sick zones, sick people, declining populations."

        So true Code..and i have this suspicion , a gutfeel i can't proof yet , that "deadzones" , when to high a ratio , on a living organisme are a bad thing behind a "loss of potential"..

        Think rotten apple in a gathering of apples..or a deadzone in a mammal causing gangreen to the whole..something like that..

        This might also be true for the living planet..it sure aint good for the climate for starters..

  • Too much arguing on this site. I thought fresh articles would "help".

    Code — Cesium the Day!
    Grab 'em by the Polonium

    No Fluoride Stare, show you care

    Sum it up with some good graphics and a few catchy one liners

    "It ain't the DSB, no selling me, that ICRP, it's disruptive cell energy"

    Then get some hot chick to rap to it, lol

    Compilation of relevant comments are here. They need structure so clear that even Hippie Dog can understand. Did I really say that


  • FaunaLord Farthington MacMananus

    If we could get rid of the emoticons, we would have proper communism.

  • curenado

    If we knew about the dying in japan it would help us plan better here. How much of a % of cali & fl are going to manifest this year and over the next 5 years? 2% or 20%? There is no accurate "guessing", because even tho all signs point to the worst case scenario, there are few facts getting out. But one would think there would be 2 or 3 times the cases and signs here already?




  • Recon we should actually see the truth?

    I spec so..



    Recon or not….

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