Interview: Fukushima melted fuel “could have burned through floor and now in earth underneath reactors”

Published: September 13th, 2013 at 7:13 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima’s radioactive leak: ‘no way to filter this stuff out’ – expert
Source: The Voice of Russia
Author: Angela Davis
Date: Sept. 13, 2013

Paul Gunter, director of Reactor Oversight at Beyond Nuclear:

[...] Nobody is really sure of where those melted radioactive cores are right now. They could be in the basement, in a giant molten but solidified elephant’s foot that is leaking radioactivity with all the water moving in there. It could have burned through the floor and now in the earth underneath the reactors. We are seeing reports of steam issuing off of the reactors just today through Japanese news services. The accident is still ongoing and because of high radiation fields you cannot get instrumentation in there, you cannot get people in there to determine where this accident is really moving right now.

See also: Energy Analyst: Concern a 'reverse tsunami' of radioactivity now moving back into Pacific from Fukushima plant -- Nuclear catastrophe remains out of control and hemorrhaging

Published: September 13th, 2013 at 7:13 pm ET
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49 comments to Interview: Fukushima melted fuel “could have burned through floor and now in earth underneath reactors”

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Most likely melted it's way into the earth, going where it wants, all unpredictably, as this is new territory for scientists.


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  • http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/09/nice-clean-air-today-except-for-pacific.html

    Nice Clean Air Today, Except for Pacific Northwest
    Pretty clean. I have been seeing waves of radiation wash over the USA these last few weeks with Fukushima admissions also on the rise.

    Its pretty much a "duh" moment for TEPCO and Japan Gov. As long as they let ground water flow into the plant area, it will pick up radiation from the coriums, whether the coriums are under the buildings or just in the basements. This valley used to be a river, they raised the land to make the plant and divert the water. Now the earthquake dropped it 3 to 6 feet.

    They have to pump the ground water out before it ever hits the plants area. They have to lower the elevation of the ground water. What part of "Duh" does it take a nuclear scientist to understand.

    Back to the Pacific Northwest….those poor folks have been getting pounded with rads for 2.5 years now. And it will last AT LEAST another decade.

    Seriously, I would just move.


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I hope Tropical Storm Man-Yi does not strengthen .http://youtu.be/w6aMweu1hZg


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    Where are my USA taxes going? Doesn't some government agency have some sort of underground radiation x-ray imaging satellite? The US gov't probably knows exactly where they are. C'mon gov't tell us. We will find out eventually and we won't be happy if you knew all along.


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    Also I just want to add that as a US citizen it is disappointing that I have to rely on Russian news sources to talk about Fukushima!


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      the nauseating response to Putins Syrian warning in NYTs by our "boys" was telling. While Putin is another criminal, his actual words were good, and better than any of the drool issuing from U.S. leaders. What a sign of the times.

      Fact of the matter is apparently NO government is stepping forward to mitigate the Fukushima crisis or relay the unvarnished truth. They deserve the highest level of contempt


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      • SS4U SS4U

        At least these governments need to put a moratorium on all new NPP construction until this matter is taken care of.

        That makes sense.


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      • jec jec

        No government stepping forward to tell the real situation at Fukushima. Why? Blackmail and fear of the masses finding out they have been purposely exposed to radiation due to economic dreams. Bet every government which uses nuclear power, has/have a few(a lot like TMI) skeletons in THEIR closets such as ignoring radiation levels, lots of radiation 'venting/releases' from nuclear plants, raising permitted background levels to match contamination , fear someone will find the 'smoking' gun of government(s)comments on depopulation or 'research,' and the coverups to protect the guilty. Like Japan, governments are continuing with nuclear power seemingly without concern for health of exposed populations. If they monitor or test for the dangers, its not provided to the general public. Guess we are too dumb..(sarcasm)?? Just saying..


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          The slimy shaking of hands.
          It's only the Russian press..not the Russian government that has anything to say.
          Blackmail..that will surely go a long way due to depth of complicity.

          US-Russia reach landmark deal on destruction of Syria chemical weapons arsenal

          http://rt.com/news/lavrov-syria-kerry-chemical-861/

          This is an older article..

          Russo-American Nuclear Cities
          July 1999

          "Since 1994, the Clinton administration has been spending taxpayer dollars to employ Russian nuclear scientists and weapons designers in civilian projects, with the laudable goal of seeking to prevent them from selling their talents to rogue states such as Iran, Iraq, North Korea, and Libya.

          But a recent review by the General Accounting Office (GAO) found that some of the money has helped the Russians develop better nuclear weapons, missiles, and biological weapons-and that many civilian projects financed with U.S. taxpayer money have direct military applications. Even worse: Some of the U.S.-funded scientists and institutes are developing weapons for Iran and Libya."

          http://spectator.org/archives/2013/09/13/russo-american-nuclear-cities

          Having these countries oversee anything..is a joke..a cruel sick joke.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Sadly you are paying others for the right to exterminate you..


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Lake Barrett is a Nuclear Fool.
    He has no medical credentials.
    He is a PAID consultant.
    He was a nuclear engineer.

    Arnold Gundersen, a nuclear engineer, at least admits that the health effects are detrimental.

    Listen to an interview with Barrett on 3/17/11

    Nuclear clean-up: Comparing Fukushima Daiichi and Three Mile Island

    http://am.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/17/nuclear-clean-up-comparing-fukushima-daiichi-and-three-mile-island/

    He says flat out that the SFP #4 burned open air.

    Now listen to an interview with Barrett on 3/28/13

    Barrett on Japan's Nuclear Crisis

    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/68062590-barrett-on-japan-s-nuclear-crisis.html

    He basically admits that the coriums are ex-containment.

    He has no right to tell everyone that the corium water needs to be dumped into the sea.

    He has no medical backround to tell everyone that the levels are safe.

    He should be arrested and tried for crimes against this planet…


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  • Methinks the 3 coriums got together and are having a menage-de-death


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  • weeman

    If electronics fail, you have to take a step back in technology, a mechanical snake with fiber optic eye and temp and rad badges, think man. Try and adapt and try again.


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  • jackassrig

    If you can't measure it, you can't control it.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Lake Barret was one of those who covered up Three Mile Island and its effects on the populace. Of course TEPCO wants him.


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  • dajson dajson

    There's nothing wrong with Fukushima. I'm sure everything is under control because if it was half as bad as these other comments say then my television would have told me all about it a long time ago with 24/7 coverage. Get off your computers and go clean up your mom's basement where you live people, and leave me alone with these crazy conspiracy theories about Fukushima.


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  • Heres agood visual. http://gulfofmexicooilspillblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/rt-nuclear-meltdown-c.gif

    Here at Bingoes Bananna §plit Hideaway our humble opinion is like the picture melt through concrete base could have happened and underground water may be cooling blob from bottom. In any case for sure total breach of concrete base possible but not a raging hole but some breach. Continual loss of cooling water yet maintaining level dictates not a huge leak. Dangerous enough for them to continue saying I dont know.


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  • SO, LET ME get this straight: Essentially, there is no "cold shutdown" and there is "no situation under control". There is no knowing where the cores are and there is no knowing how high the radiation levels are. They don't know if ground water is filtering through raw nuclear fuel and they have no idea what may happen next. Yes, indeed. The Japanese Government and Tokyo and the Olympic Committee all have no idea what is really going on. Yet, they plan on Olympic Games while Japan is still in the process of coming apart and burning bright with the glow of uncontrolled radiation. Unbelievable, but truth is stranger than fiction. The whole country is living in a fool's paradise!


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  • rockyourworld

    the coriums have left the building?


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  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Mairs/StellarB-you both have raised interesting points which are likely influenced by geopolitical forces. Many assume the Japanese government is oblivious and incompetent. Incompetence is likely true, but oblivious, not likely.

    From a geopolitical political standpoint, the Japanese response to these meltdowns is quite predictable, even if the outcome is complete disregard for life. First, explore the geopolitical importance of Japan to the US, the relationship of Japan to the US since the conclusion of WW2 including the US status of forces agreements, the intended purpose of the transfer of US nuclear weapons technology during the 1980s to Japan http://www.dcbureau.org/201204097128/national-security-news-service/united-states-circumvented-laws-to-help-japan-accumulate-tons-of-plutonium.html ,the influence of the US military industrial complex and nuclear industry both in the US as well as in export countries, the territorial challenges to the North and South of Japan, and the recent US "pivot" from the Middle East to Asia. As long as the Japanese nation and government can be maintained and economically sustained, the government will not recognize any reason to question territorial integrity or move established populations because the dominant global paradigm supports the current geopolitical status.

    Second, contemplate why Japan is funding the use of advanced satellite technology to discover aquifers in places with inexpensive land. (cont.)


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  • Wyakin Wyakin

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/world/africa/aquifers-discovered-in-drought-ridden-kenya.html?_r=0

    Perhaps this is coincidental or humanitarian in nature, but be assured that the location of the coriums are known.

    This is not to say we should not all continue to do our part in spreading vital information and trying to get any organized action to address this disaster, but perhaps this provides some additional context on the rationality/irrationality of certain actions. Peace…


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  • soern

    i guess they know the locatiion of coriums well enough to hope
    coriums meet magma before sfp4 tumbles down.
    So they just wait and do some wild action for entertainment and coverup. Meanwhile they carry away their wapongrade Plutonium off Daiichi in order to save their real interests.

    An Eruption of a first mantriggered vulcano "Mt. Daiichi" was one very wise response from Mother Nature and a long term clean up as well.
    Glassified Tubes were some very comfortable hoses for magma too in order to avoiding much smoke and dust.
    Surely they count on "Mt. Daiichi" to erupt in time before 2020 Olympic Games.

    Imho


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  • onemore

    Could someone explain this to me:

    after accident: People say after the accident 300 tons of water comes out contaminated everyday.

    before accident: However, even before the accident there was N tons of water entering and N tons of water leaving ( * and leaving after passed the corium means its radioactive, so its the same as after accident )

    So my point is, many tons of water always came out radioactively polluted it was poluted from the first time it touched the coriums… no ?


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    • razzz razzz

      Before the Great Quake the Units had closed loop cooling systems where no cooling water gets out and no groundwater gets in, this besides the tritium that can't be contained or noble gases that can't all be filtered, carbon 14 that escapes, etc. but nothing like the amounts of radioactivity free to leave after the quake.

      Directly after the quake, pipes are broken, foundations are cracked, no water can be retained because either it is boiling off or leaking away, all now radioactive. Days later after the reactors are melted down then seawater injections begin, that leaks away after coming in contact with the melted fuel and runs out cracks in the foundations or collects in basements enabling ground to either find its way to the melts or letting the radioactive cooling waters contaminate the groundwater and/or run into the ocean.

      They eventually started using freshwater injections but the once closed cooling loops are ruined and are now opened, there is no containment and the melted cores might as well being sitting out in the open and they can only recover a fraction of the radioactive contaminated cooling waters to semi-filter for reuse or to store in tanks. Most of the groundwater getting contaminated flows to the ocean and high tides probably mix seawater with contaminated freshwater and it becomes contaminated. Been going on more than 2 1/2 years. The new underground dam has made things worse.


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    • soern

      under Daiichi a stream of groundwater always flows into sea.
      So it did before 3.11. and does now.
      Nobody has measured the daily amount of groundwater flowing into sea yet.
      The cited 300 tons daily are just that amount of water seeking into earth from that plant through containment cracks, broken tubes and hoses and seeping through the surface after leaking off their storage tanks. This water is contaminated by radiated plant structures and is measurable missing.
      The unknown part is, how much of that groundwater gets in contact with coriums underneath the plant. It is assumed to be a lot, as contamination of coastal water off Daiichi is much higher as can be explained by 300 tons radiatet water released by day.
      This is how i understand that so long.


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  • SusanS

    ☢ Fukushima Petitions to Sign & Share! ☢
    ☢ Japan Needs Worldwide Help NOW! ☢

    http://tinyurl.com/FixFuku

    We need a worldwide consortium made up of experts in the field to start brainstorming solutions to what is happening in Fukushima and what can be done to FIX it. We need them NOW. Each country will also need to commit funds to this effort, since it is and will continue to affect the entire planet. The consequences could be the extinction of all life on earth. It is past time to do this. Japan is calling for help and they can not handle it alone.

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  • rockyourworld

    obama refuses to confront this. will not even acknowledge its going on. covered it up for years. when does he order the military in there to clean it up?


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  • rockyourworld

    oh right, big oil and big pipeline has dibs on the troops. were on our own.


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  • rockyourworld

    i guess the usa is going down without a fight


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