Published: July 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am ET
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July 4, 2012 post by Koichi Oyama, Minamisoma city council member, translated by Dissensus Japan:
Archive of [Minamisoma Mayor Sakurai's] accounts at a conference in June (the hearing of his accident response)
Q: On 25 March, 26 members of parliament ( the representative was a local legislator) demanded the evacuation of babies, infants and pregnant women from the areas within 30 km from Fukushima Daiichi. Did you cooperate with them?
A: I didn’t agree.
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Q: With the SOS message you uploaded on Youtube, did you intend to barricade yourselves in Minamisoma?
A: My intention was to report the actual situation.
Q: The accident has brought the worst scenario (melt-through). There are risks of vapor explosions and the steam continues to come out. Did you have solid evidence that the accident wouldn’t continue to worsen?
A: We (the mayor and the executives) decided not to move the administrative institution to somewhere else as long as there are the people staying in the city.
Q: Did you do anything to prevent a disaster?
A: I demanded the government to lift the restriction of the areas within 30 km for a resumption of the project. If you ask me about safety, radiation level in Minamisoma was 3 microSV, which was much lower than Fukushima City.
Published: July 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am ET
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We used, to be children.
The fallacy of a nuclear age driven by nothing more than the intellectual reasoning of a mere childlike curiosity and sense of reasoning.
I remember the errors of my childhood as clear as god has painted the day. I wanted, I needed, with no real sense of justification as to what or how my actions had affected the greater world in which I resided. I more simply said ‘acted without thinking’…
Justification is the first root that seeds our growth. There is a desire for a growth that we let rule our actions, without a clear sense of where that desire will lead us.
This is the reasoning of a nuclear age.
Our need for nuclear power exhibits a immature posture in our society. Which only can be described as child like curiosity with no regard as to how the effects of our actions will effect all others that are involved,,,
For whatever the need or, want was originally; May it have been to overcome an era of war; Or, the simple antidote of creating a masse of electricity by cutting the corners of an industrial and technological gap in our prior generations technological advances in order to provide basic electricity to our fellow man.
The very Justification of creating such technology had been executed without proper research, scientific know how and lack of common sense…
(You reap what you sew)…
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Even now at present day both accredited and non-accredited experts in the scientific communities have brought into light the staggering amount of dangers imposed by this very technology… A trend that was in existence, far prior to the creation and execution of the technology in question…
Governments sought the creation of nuclear power so vigorously, that they failed to have enacted the very reasoning and sensibility to properly maintain such a technology. ‘We didn’t account for its consequences’.
As a child would lie, cheat, or steal; our very governments, politicians, and nuclear/scientific research communities lack of judgment, have exploited and justified the very opening of ‘Pandoras-box’.
We are a new generation inheriting the crimes and corruption of a historically uneducated and careless society. While recognizing the error of our ways, as clearly as they succumb to our palate of masquerading ‘extinctive’ current events…
It should come to no surprise to our generation that we are in a state of pandemic in light of our past generations acquisitions, reflecting nothing more than their common hunger of growth at any cost: fueled by greed lust and lies…
When I was a child
I walked like a child, talked like a child and acted like a child;
When I became a man…
I put away with childish things…
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You would think in all ‘common-sense’ that after the Chernobyl Incident had nearly plagued all of humanity habitat for centuries to come. That the ‘greater collective conscious’, would have boycotted and no longer found reasoning in justifying such exploits in our societies technological future…
Common sense appears to be ‘not’ so common after all, to that regard…
It is this lack of inference that allows such unjustifiable actions to continue to hamper with the very integrity of mankind. While our very policies that have been enacted on classifying such a technology, give only a very opposite and conflicting argument as to the very real dangers that it indeed presents to fellow man.
What cannot be said: is not written; and, what cannot be read: goes unseen.
Furthermore situations such as what we have encountered at the Fukushima Daichii reactor have not only gone unreported; but the facts that are currently known about the severity of the crisis have been buried amongst a web of lies so treacherous that more and more national citizens abroad are beginning to assume that multiple governments are conspiring to hide the actual scale of the disaster from the very people that have been duped into supporting their existence in our societies…
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TCG, it looks like those national citizens are probably correct in their assumptions. It looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.
There have been a lot of quacking ducks, all acting in the same manner. Coinkydink?
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"It looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck."
Taters,
You better watch it with the DUCK analogies.
Tacoma is in Oregon. They have a college sports team by that name. I would assume that many have been beat to the curb joking like that.
Just sayin…
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My bad. Tacoma is in Washington. The Ducks are south of you. Proceed. I am in dire need of sleep. Ignore.
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Ooh, shiver me timbers! Sorry TCG, 'didn't mean anything personal by that.
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Oh, I'm tired too. I forgot. Tacoma is WA not OR.
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Nuclear power is a drug in its own…
The governments are addicted to nuclear power. Which itself is an addictive substance. Why wouldn’t they be? This is a technology that after its production requires little cost and moderation, and in return fuels the greed of both its creators, and the taxpayers…
Creating a billion dollar industry that makes millions by the millions in profits per monthly cycle in its usage…
Drugs can be used by an addict’s multiple times. It is only when an over dose occurs that the user begins to realize that he may have a problem… A quite simple analogy is better described in the quote: To live is to die.
Now we must begin to understand that as a ‘nation’,
(of any nationality, for that matter).
To allow such a harmful technology to exist in our environment, and be exploited without the proper technology to maintain it; shows nothing more that an irresponsibility in our humanistic character, which without immediate action could lead to the creation of an irrevocable consequence that may harm not only to ourselves, but to others all across the globe…
Can you really begin to justify the use of nuclear power when in a very serious way its very existence could trigger an apocalypse,,, Because that’s what it is… That is what it is capable of…
The use of nuclear power is childish, and by using it we are merely acting like children…
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It's worse than childish. It's hubris in action.
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More importantly…
Things could already be so far out of hand at Fukushima Daichii that the prolonged and speculated start of such an event, could easily be already unfolding… right before our mislead eyes…
To what extent has our planets biosphere and atmosphere been effected?
Humanity’s survival is only expected to last as long as an even ratio exists, between a clean environment and healthy DNA permits…
Just how clean is our environment in respects to this crisis?
Every oceanic, land, and aerial sample taken to-date shows traces of fission products related to the Fukushima crisis in multiple continents across the globe. With vast amounts of cesium and iodine being accounted for one could only expect that a major fuel melt has occurred vastly in ‘some’, if not ‘all’ of the troubled reactors in Japan. One must expect that fission products such as strontium are being under reported in comparison to the large scale of contamination being found at present day…
While actinides, which are the majority of the spent fuels composition ‘plutonium and uranium’ are being found in Japan every day in large bio concentrations labeled as ‘algae blooms’… One must consider that an apocalyptic amount of these actinides (a single pound of plutonium for example) could already have been released via the gaseous meltdown; out, and into, the surrounding atmosphere.
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Plutonium X 600 pounds or more, if Stock from Hawaii is correct. Incomprehensible. I can hardly get my little pea brain around that amount of plutonium. Just from Fukushima 1.
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Far more than that, HT. Far more.
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We're a very strange critter for evolution to have produced – far too smart for our own good, far too childish for the good of life itself.
As if Einstein had said, when he himself was too young to realize what he was doing, "Here is the nature of who and what we are. What can we do with it?"
We could destroy life with it (choice #1). Then we could boil water (and destroy life) with it. Nothing has changed that mission in a century's time.
Perhaps evolution was fated to produce its own antithesis – extinction of life – simply by existing. And we are just the tool to accomplish that end. Just as the ruling faith of humanity's late childhood (Love) produced its own antithesis (Hate) simply by existing. A devil who exists solely within us, but that we always project onto 'other' so we can kill on command for our collective greed without hesitation or remorse…
Thus we destroy life and call that 'holy' like a Mission from God who was just that crazy devil within us all along.
The End.
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What then???
It’s a very alarming situation to consider, and with the lack of transparency that the Japanese governments has maintained one should ask himself if it is indeed a situation we may be already facing at present day…
How far the contamination has spread and at what levels, pails to the argument of why our species justifies such a technologies usage… We are told multiple lies by our nuclear bodies which have begun to use scare tactics to support their corruption. Making statements such as “Without nuclear power modern day society would be sent back into the stone-age”…
Yet, with all these complications and no sure way of diverting any unforeseen and future nuclear incidents… Which would be the more compelling argument?
On one hand our nation must strive to reinvent and maintain a completely different way in providing electricity to its citizens…
On the other hand we are playing with fire and maintaining a current technology that’s very existence could mean the very apocalypse of mankind…
We ‘used’ to be ‘children’…
Its time we grew up as a species and considered that an overdose is lurking in our presence while our health as a whole is being affected by the nuclear cartel…
July 2012
Tacomagroove
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Government explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUS1m5MSt9k
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What a classic, thanks Tacomagroove.
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Nuclear is the number one vehicle for population decimation via agenda 21.
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I think we can agree that the more extreme the comment the larger the number of people who will be discouraged from participating in this sites discussions. These non-mainstream comments increase the chance that the sites image will move further to the extreme and so seem more and more untrustworthy. If this is the case, keeping discussions centered tightly around the disaster itself might be a good idea. I only mention this because if I had an agenda to limit the effect of this site on public opinion, I would try to make as many links as possible between it and any extreme world view I could find.
[ Cool Japan ?]
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I have been watching this disaster and others from the beginning.
Sorry for that comment but I don't know what else to say anymore.
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@yogda – please don't be discouraged. I've seen your name here for along time and I don't mean anything that creates division between us all.
It can be a difficult medium, the blog sphere. I'm beside you on our combined concern yogda, please understand that.
best wishes to you and all, believe me.
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I meant nothing personal by my comment yogda. Best regards.
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[ Cool Japan ?]
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yogda, sometimes i'm right there with you, but, i keep coming back to the notion that greedy stupid people can manage all this calamity without an agenda beyond social darwinism. In fact, it is because they lack vision, lack a coherent plan, are unable to see the bigger picture that these threats get so large. I do think that there are people with wealth and power that are digging their underground villages, doing all they can to keep on top of the pile, but not because they have planned something or know that something is about to happen, like depopulation, but because they are afraid that there will be NO depopulation and, therefore, resource wars, riots, climate destabilization, power plants blowing up, disease, starvation, on and on. All the horrors that await an overpopulated planet that used to just plague an overused region. I think there are rulers and thugs that are taking advantage of the chaos and trying to gain in their favor who don't care who dies. I think it is semi-intelligent people acting selfishly and stupidly who think they are smarter than they are and have been given or have taken enough power or authority to do serious damage. Then there is us. We hold the key. Don't buy nuclear. Don't overpopulate. Don't be greedy. Share.
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I used to think like you when I was younger.
Nothing wrong with it at all.
I just want people to read their own literature, understand the language used and to take a long hard look into world history.
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I used to think like you when i was younger, too
I firmly believe a depop plan isn't beyond the capacity of some to instigate. It would make a great deal of sense to some given what overpopulation promises. I can see politicians who would see murder as their duty. They do so with war every day. I just think it would be something like a virus or a genetic sterilization that also doesn't knock off the food and water supplies at the same time. Radiating the entire planet is just not a very good plan. I think that most leaders are group followers and unimaginative and don't have what it takes to commit such massive murder as all that and so are just making sure that they are safe when the times comes and it gets too hard for governments to control the situation, and are using tax dollars to build underground invitation only survival villages for "the preferred people". I DO think that there must exist somewhere on this planet, groups of powerful people, well off, who think of themselves as good genetic material, the "better of the best", who intend to manipulate the disasters and chaos and scarcities to their advantage and try to control outcomes that they want, which is what people like them have done throughout history. Disaster merchants. Any bad outcome is a good one. No need to even create a crisis or personally kill anyone. Just wait until a greedy educated moron builds a nuclear plant, then push the inevitable disaster in your favor. Is there a plan or a…
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+1 unsub…I agree 100%.
Consider what is the realm of possibility as understood by the vast majority of the populace. Consider someone who has very little knowledge of Fukushima Daiichi, who does not know how to count to two in Japanese (hell, I didn't until last week), who relies on corporate media for world news. It doesn't matter how they heard about Fukushima, but if they get a bug to google and read, they are not going to know which sites to trust and which sites to read with a skeptical eye because the lines get blurred and the more critical thinking is required the further one gets from CNN. (Some could argue you need serious critical thinking skills for CNN, and to you I say, touche.)
ENENEWS bolsters its case by a) updating frequently; b) posting excerpts from mainstream/corporate media (which, for better or for worse, will increase the credibility of this site for most people); and c) having what comes across as an intelligent commenter base. I'd bet that that many of us keep coming back here over other sites because of the valuable exchange of information and commiseration in the comments. I don't mean anyone should stop talking about the global impact of Fukushima, nor do I want to in any way suggest withholding speech. Just keep in mind that some of your comments' readers will be newbies, and newbies need context, information, links, lest they get confused and/or discouraged and wonder if they've just crossed the line into Conspiracyville.
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Point well said and taken to heart, sadtexan.
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HAARP and Agenda 21 exist. What exactly they are for, is open to interpretation.
What the people in charge failed to plan for, was that a nuclear accident the size of Fukushima would kill them, and their children, off, too. They are as screwed as the rest of us.
What we will see from our politicians – around the globe – going forward will be attempts to hide/slow the awareness of what is happening to everyone, and the environment, and to hang on to power for as long as they can.
We might disagree on when 'The Road' will come to our neighborhood, but it will come.
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The people in charge have drugs such as this.
http://www.onconova.com/pdfs/pressreleases/201100901_Ex-RAD_ICRR2011-Final.pdf
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yogda, I did investigate the site & there is interesting info there. Here is the one so far that is most interesting. Thank you by the way.
Ex-RAD is a medical countermeasure that protects cells from harmful effects of ionizing radiation. Phase I clinical trials with Ex-RAD have demonstrated acceptable tolerability with minimal adverse events in healthy volunteers. Current development efforts are aimed at both prophylactic (i.e use prior to exposure to harmful radiation) as well as therapeutic (use after exposure) needs.
Injury from ionizing radiation can arise from many circumstances:
accidents involving nuclear reactors and industrial or medical sources
non-accidental injury as a result of malicious, criminal, or terrorist actions
collateral damage from medical use of radiation
Ex-RAD development was initially focused on military applications and supported through a funded collaboration with the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD).
Injury from ionizing radiation can arise from many circumstances:
accidents involving nuclear reactors and industrial or medical sources
non-accidental injury as a result of malicious, criminal, or terrorist actions
collateral damage from medical use of radiation
~Found about halfway down the page with a pdf download.
http://www.onconova.com/product_pipeline.html?tab=2#TabbedPanels
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Thank you for paying attention and not calling me a conspiracy theorist.
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How many people have been hurt by drugs released by the FDA? Relying on drugs and advertisement is a false hope. What are the side effects?
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Many, many people have been hurt via prescription drugs anne. Just recently: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/glaxosmithkline-pleads-guilty-to-health-fraud-agrees-to-pay-record-3b-in-penalties/2012/07/05/gJQA9wekPW_story.html
EX-RAD is one of many drugs not available to the general public and is property of the DOD.
The fact it exists at all should make you all more aware.
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Very true Anne yogda, many people hurt. I have had 2 refuse 2 prescriptions just this year from my doctor. One has high risk of heart attack & in fact includes a Black box warning to that effect.
Another had Sooo many side effects that there were 6 pages of warnings.
That was why I put that info about Ex-Rad…& yes we need to be aware.
yogda I will ask in the future that you include some info about any downloads linked & even a note about what a link is about. Thank you.
I did not download that pdf until I checked out the site first. 
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Indeed medications created with OUR money but not for our use.
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It won't work with the constant barrage of contamination we are facing. It might extend life a little bit for some, and kill others, but it won't prevent DNA from mutating.
Once the rad gets to the eggs and testes, human race over.
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oh god, not another 'agenda 21'. I passed up mentioning it when someoneelse mentioned it earlier.
can we stop with the out of control conspiracy theories. it's not like we have enough to deal with already, then these half-baked ideas come around as a distraction and a discredit to the thorough work of the sensible ones around here.
there is no depop agenda, there is no haarp, there is no aliens coming to invade.
there's a great big china sydrome time three going on.. stick with this – keep your eye on the ball.
Please stop with these side shows.
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jeesh, for frigs sake
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Sorry richard.
It really is the only logical answer.
Please prove me wrong instead of bringing up aliens.
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thanks yogda – it's not a logical answer, in fact it's the opposite. No offence, really, I don't mean to have a dig at you personally, there are cetainly others raising the issue.
I don't actually need to prove you wrong. I think you would need to present a very thorough case to show your right.
But I can't accpet that an EQ is part of a depop plan. I cannot accept that placing 54 NPPs on one or two islands in the pacific was a depop plan. It's certainly a very stupid and arrogant plan.
But really, the market demands consumers, they want more. more more more as madonna would sing.
I watch prisonplanet and infowars, there are some 'extreme' authors on those sites. I find many of their 'schemes' incongruent. 'Agenda 21' is another. I throw it in with the aliens because it's 'out there'.
Bottomline, we have enough facts about the current predicament to deal with.. why complicate matters. If we can squeeze the PTB into a corner with our agenda, then maybe, finally, they will reveal theirs.. but wait till that day comes.
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None taken!
Just one NPP can bring an apocalyptic reality to many and all it takes is mother nature.
Nobody mentioned EQ as part of a depop plan.
I said Agenda 21. What makes you think it's a fairytale?
It matters greatly and needs everyone's attention.
Why here at ENENEWS? Because to the U.N. Nuclear power is "green power" and green power is sustainable under A-21.
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yes, i'm aware of this meme 'Nuclear power is "green power" and green power is sustainable'.
It's up to us to stop that. You and I know it's not green, make sure you let every one else know.
I have to sign off for now (Friday night is approaching). I appreciate our chat. I'll take a read over the weekend.
Thinking on hold, drinking approaching
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Thanks richard.
Please read this http://www.un.org/Pubs/textbook/e93020.htm
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thanks yogda for the link. i will read it over the weekend. I'm on mobile now so not really into it.
and i really hope to hear back from you soon. i would like to sift through it, particularly from the angle of 'Nuclear power is "green power" and green power is sustainable' because that really needs to be turned around and fast. I do see that excuse used more and more regularly. Let's quash it.
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hi yogda. I had a look as I said.
Firstly, I have to buy it for the details, so I wont.
It states.. "The central theme of the UNCED Earth Summit of 1992 was AGENDA 21 – the action plan developed to lead environmental development into the 21st century with its goal of sustainable life on earth."
It's a 20 year old document, a precursor of where we today (if we are to consider that the principles have been applied).
I can't say I've noticed the population dropping in the last 20 years.
What I have noticed is that the entire spectrum of global decision making has become corporate – some would say fascist.
This thread has become complicated enough, my words will get lost here, so I'm not going to detail our problems of the last 20 years, we all know them.
So, I'm at the point of saying, I don't really need the info of A21, I already intuitively know there are serious problems around us.
But, I still don't see "population decimation via agenda 21" which is the point you started with.
Thanks again for the chance of more information. I know that the approaching Rio summit is going to support the mythical 'sustainable' mining agenda. That's what we should focus on, shake that falsehood down. In my almost humble opinion.
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The population HAS dropped in Russia following Chernobyl and also in Iran also contaminated by radiation from Cernobyl. US excess deaths are up after Fukushima.
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hi anne. yes, i would imagine russian population has changed, thanks for that.
And I had seen some quotes on the US side, as you mention.
Could other factors be included for Russia, for example aging (as in japan) and political boundary changes, which after the head count?
I suppose one would have to have very specific details about all those factors to be able to know what's the prevailing issue. All to be considered, point taken.
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Here's a little opening number for Friday night ..
Hilltop Hoods, Rattling the keys to the kingdom
3:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrS5ILwtBvM
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When they won't stop using nuclear weapons of mass destruction and continue giving corporate welfare to the nuclear industry, it is clear that they don't care how many people have already died, or how many are already dying, and will die in the future.
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Richard do you believe that the USA dropped nuclear bombs on Iraq? Probably not…cause you never heard about it….it was conspiracy cause the US never admitted to it…but just take a look at 1/4 of live births in the area since 2005….the children look a lot like the ones in Chernobyl. There is evidence radioactive evidence that there were nuclear bombs dropped on the area…USA has never responded to the investigation…I'm just saying there are a lot of things going on in the world that the average citizen is not longeer allowed to know…Like urban renovations in NYC…ie 911
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many moons: Elevated radiation levels in Iraq have been well documented to be the result of widespread use of depleted uranium munitions, still another useful product of the nuke industry.
If you make munitions from spent fuel, you can even profit on war. Shows you where these people's heads are at. Radiation from depleted uranium is even making its way into neighboring Iran. This is a deplorable war crime. No proof US nuked Iraq with atom bombs. Didn't have to. Same result.
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thanks many moons for the question.
i'd have to agree with philipupnorth's reply. i would have thought any sized a-bomb would have come up on the world's 'radar'. they tend to stand out.
the bunker busters are seriously bad. i'm no munitions expert by any means, but i understand they may use depleted uranium as well.
maybe take a look in the catalogue.
http://www.janes-defence-weekly.com/
'your weekly guide to international weapons technology and military defence news.'
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Depleted Uranium Effects In The Human Body; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/depleted-uranium-effects-in-human-body.html
Nuclear Plants And Radioactive Water Contamination; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/nuclear-plants-and-radioactive-water.html
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Take this woman as an example..
http://enenews.com/forum-topic-discussion-thread-feb-26-2012-present/comment-page-39#comment-268786
She makes $52 million …. a day. Do you think she can make that kind of money with out a population. Reduce the population down by 50% then hey, she'll only make $26 million …. a day.
Gina Rinehart will not support depop – and she's the richest woman in the world.
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I've never heard of that creature from hell before , thx Richard, now i need to make a new doll , where are my needless…i refuse to take some out off my anne coulter doll..must buy new ones…
If it only would do more then nothing…:(
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I believe that there are a lot more than 3 meltdowns going on.
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I do too.
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Me three
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thanks anne, you are most likely right.. I was distracted again
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They have said so . 14 crippled reactors. Three have had a meltdown. If that means crippled, we are seriously FUKED.
Daiichi,Daini? and ????
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Hi desara3
Would like to officially know the third one. When they are quiet, that is when my alarm goes off.
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I probably missed it but, were all three caused by human error?
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But, just from Japan? I'm still trying to figure out the high rad readings in the US midwest, and a few other places around the globe that not even the Fukushima radiation plumes would have likely fallen and where the signature doesn't match. And, the recent Florida readings that weren't from Fukushima. Oh, and wasn't there plumes near France about 3 months ago that once tested, didn't have the Fukushima signature? Maybe not meltdowns, but, maybe some other unreported significant nuclear mishaps lately. And, of course, Chernobyl is still active, right? It's not like they become dormant volcanoes. Any ideas? And, while i'm asking, is it possible to get a rad signature from a plant before a meltdown or does the nuclear fuel signature change once a meltdown has occurred? People in the know, please respond?
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I believe each meltdown has a signature (via atomic release) which is consistant with the fuel payload and atomic weight size and structure… In response to global contamination Europe originally said the the radiation is liekly to be staggering in the us (due to what it monitored) which i am sure it compared to chernobyl Prior to releasing that statement.
I am unaware of most of the official contamination levels (because I wouldn't believe them if I read them… Until we begin to see the figures on isotopes such as strontium and plutonium in store bought produce, We can only estimate that the governments are not being forthright about the testing that they have performed…
We should be seeing staggering amounts of strontium from washington to newyork by now. (espescially in milk).
However it is the withholding of these isotopes in data, which maintains my theories of a potentially apocalyptic amount of radiation having already been released (prior to july 2011). So in a very real way I consider the entire planet to possibly be contaminated and walking dead… As I feel that our DNA is deconstructing more and more since march 11th 2011, And at some point may be too damaged to promote child birth in the near future.
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Thanks, Tacomagroove. I was thinking about both official and citizen testing. It is very possible that much of the radiation simply fell into the sea. That means it will take longer and a different route to spread via water currents and bioaccumulation of sea life rather than on the wind. That would also mean that it would be quite heavy in some areas and very light in others. The week before Chernobyl blew, the US had a massive nuclear accident. It was vented out of the building and into the air the day Chernobyl was announced by the US, an announcement that had been intentionally delayed. A month later, the US mentioned a minor rad release from our own accident in very small terms. The high rad readings in the US were all blamed on the Russians. Very convenient. So, i was thinking along the lines of other reactors around the planet having problems and being swept under the rug of Fukushima since there are rather large rad readings showing up that don't match Fuku's signatures. But, if signatures could be taken before an accident, then couldn't an identification chart be devised, or is this already done, or do the plants change their fuel too often to make this practical?
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I would pay a few dollars to have meat,ocean and vegetables tested for Everything!!! Can we find someone to do it for a ethical wage?
I am fairly tired of being worried about eating healthy food.
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Brilliant idea.
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OKAY, This is a response to Vic from an above post.
I suggested having some food tested from US even around the world, honestly. So we can actually eat again. Can we find a legitimate source for the testing?
Start with west coast, then east. If we need to, middle. And I do think we need to do middle, because of scant info from certain entities.
We send samples of local grown(only) foods. I am ready. I will spend a few bucks.
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I am out of here. Thanks for the response.
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"However it is the withholding of these isotopes in data, which maintains my theories of a potentially apocalyptic amount of radiation having already been released (prior to july 2011). So in a very real way I consider the entire planet to possibly be contaminated and walking dead…"
Absolutely agree with this. It's not always WHAT they say but what they DON'T say. Virtualy zero info released
by the U.S. Federal Government. There is only one type of information they would absolutely not release and it isn't "that the releases were so small". Rest assured that if that was truely the case they would be out proving it every day. No, the only info they won't release is so bad that it would create a situation they could no longer control. I still think from day one it was so bad at Fukushima they KNEW all hope of containment was lost.
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It only took a few minutes of our military's supercomputers, using satellite imagery and scientific data, to know where this was going.
The military has simulated these scenarios for decades, using the best and the brightest from the best of our universities – MIT, Harvard, Berkley, CalTech, etc.
They have been following it daily, minute by minute.
They know we're all screwed, including them. And they know who's responsible. Every time a general passes Immelt in a White House hallway . . .
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Meltdown itself certainly has a signature, just as bombs have their signature. Isotopic analysis will tell a knowledgeable person pretty much exactly what's happened and where it's coming from.
That said, I strongly suspect high general rad readings across the U.S., Canada, Britain and Europe are NOT solely attributable to Fukushima. More regular people are monitoring now, they are seeing what is in fact "normal" where they live as plants upwind vent their gases and dump their water tanks. It is mere convenience with constant Fuku-dumping that now they've got something else to blame. So they're taking advantage of the opportunity Fukushima has provided.
Nukes do not run 'clean' and never have. They've just been forced by regulators to store their excess filth to release over time to keep within [daily] limits. They now feel that they are no longer constrained, and their pet regulators agree.
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Very true, JoyB. There is NO reason for any pretense of nuclear safety anymore. They will do whatever is necessary to maximize their profits – cut every corner – and to hell with anyone downwind.
All the wealthy have their jets fueled and ready to go to Patagonia, to spend the end of their days in safety, while our children suffer the consequences.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY&feature=related
A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 – by Isao Hashimoto
Start with this if you have not seen before( i don't know how to make clickable link)
Let me know.
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Tacoma, those numbers are not very thorough. And they dont test for every substance.
It is which way they want the wind to blow. I have seen the RadNet data. Alot of large areas have zero data. This our EPA.GOV
I agree with you.
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Just follow the jetstream maps. We'll never get accurate rad spread rates, but the jetstream maps will tell us where it's going.
All 200,000,000,000,000 lethal doses. Give or take a few million.
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Their has been so many nuclear accidents around the USA that was kept from us, large and small accidents, that is the reason for high readings in different states.
Why did most of the radiation detection monitors suddenly not reporting after 311, government does not want us to question readings as it will end up going back to them not Fukushima.
All reactors have their own signature and can be used to identify we're radiation came from, do you really want to know, hell yes.
Prove that the USA has been radiating their population from the 50,s and you will make a lot of people very angry and end the atomic age before the atomic age kills us.
Please hurry the future of all life on this plant depends on the outcome
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YOU ARE SO RIGHT!
There have been many accidents in the USA and around the world…that have injured people and been covered up!
They will never tell us! That is their motto, so I have been told by industry workers.
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I also agree anne,
I only mentioned the reactors in question because they are the primary areas of concern to the planet (that we know of).
I really thankyou for your post, It is a great and very valid point for the observer to take into consideration…
I was merely trying to stick to what we know (on the public realm) so as not to create an article in which could be manifested as non realistic.
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I was actually shocked at the Obama 2012 campaign who phoned me tonight. When I said that we had such high radiation readings and that my family has cancer and I wouldn't support any candidate who was for nuclear power, the called had nothing to say.
It is shocking that these people are so set on destroying the world.
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nice anne. it's to their shame they no answer, I wonder if it's even on their radar. They've not heard of enenews yet? Hmmm.. we must be doing something wrong
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I really want to know where our future candidate's stand on both fukushima's USA contamination, and nuclear powers future…
I will not vote unless these issues are addressed…
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Good. Only Jill Stein is antinuclear.
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Thanks for point that out – I had not focused on the election yet, except to rule out candidates from the two cloned parties. I will keep it in mind.
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Obama has always publicly supported nuclear energy and during his first run for office stated that he would not take a nuclear strike on Iran off the table if they refused to stop developing nuclear energy themselves. I was a bit taken aback when I heard him say these things. Which is why i couldn't vote for him. But, the Obamabots did a good job of scrubbing the internet, HuffPo, etc. of these statements the last few weeks prior to the Democratic primary. I guess people can remove links somehow. It was amazing and a little frightening to watch links to articles, vids, etc. disappear overnight. So, i don't think his supporters all listen to his speeches and debates all that closely after all.
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But you can bet that caller, most likely a volunteer, told the people they work with what you said. And they went home and told others.
One at a time, one at a time.
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At least a dozen, not all of which were 'full' and not all of which melted through/blew sky high. All of which have utterly destroyed their cores, some of which have destroyed their entire plants, and all of which are dumping their filth because that's what happens when you melt a nuke. Not a single one of 'em will ever operate again, no matter what.
I add to Daiichi's 3 both units 5 and 6, plus all units at Daiini. The rest I don't think are so severe (more like TMI than Chernobyl/Fukup). TMI2 did its share of dumping and killing, and it's never operated again.
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On 3/11; 15-24 Nuclear Reactors In Japan Were Damaged, Not 3 or 4 http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/14-nuclear-reactors-at-4-japan-sites.html
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Richard, with all due respect, HAARP and Agenda 21 exist. Their purpose is what's up for debate. Have been interested in HAARP, for example, since the early 1990's, as a matter of scientific interest. HAARP has a public website. Agenda 21 documents were published by the UN, and the Agenda 21 plan documents can be viewed online.
'Sort of like saying Area 51 in the Nevada desert doesn't exist. Work crews get government clearances to go there, to perform non-military jobs in the geographic locale.
Just because some of the research activities are shrouded in secrecy doesn't mean these things don't exist (I'm thinking of HAARP.)
Activities at Area 51 are highly regulated and tightly monitored but it exists.
It's just that some have ascribed a sinister purpose to some of these things. They exist, but perhaps not for the purposes some people claim they exist.
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thanks HoTaters, I've decide that from yogda UN link I will take a read and a rethink.
I am on the run at the moment, so I have to leave the details till tomorrow.
unsub has mentioned the issue that I feel is valid as well. it's all a juggle. but I'm always ready to take in new info and see how it floats.. so i'll get back on this soon.
i've said it earlier today, but once again, thank you to everyone here for .. everything.
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Agenda 21 doesn't exist, because this idea, that come from mind which search everywhere conspiracy. Do you even have read agenda 21, i have read it, and have found nothing about depopulation or some kind of conspiracy.
If you say that it exist, you must present evidence, but not others who say otherwise. This is called burden of proof.
HAARP is also another fruit of mind, which search everywhere conspiracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
If want to find or proof something you able to do so by ignoring facts, which disprove your believe. In psychology this is called confirmation bias: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoCqftOYHX4.
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hi 'dunno'. it would seem A21 does exist, you can buy your own copy for $25..
but as you and i appear to agree upon, it's not an obvious, malevolent agenda to depop. (imaho).
http://enenews.com/fukushima-response-hearing-accident-brought-worst-scenario-melt/comment-page-1#comment-269140
thanks for you infomation.
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I saw this on Yahoo news; really the only news I have seen for about a year:
TOKYO (Reuters) – Japan's Fukushima nuclear crisis was a preventable disaster resulting from "collusion" among the government, regulators and the plant operator, an expert panel said on Thursday, wrapping up an inquiry into the worst nuclear accident in 25 years.
http://news.yahoo.com/japans-atomic-disaster-caused-collusion-panel-report-123455905.html
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I'm beginning to read the report. It will go both ways – hold these guys accountable but allow the industry to say that nuclear energy is safe if not run by corrupt and greedy idiots. It's a start anyway. A good one. More than ever before.
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There are some brutal passages in that report – the intro page, the quotes from workers and evacuees..the quotes especially capture the human toll in a way I hadn't seen before. I am glad the commission included those sections as separate PDFs so that they will find a wider audience than if left in a big, scary, tl;dr report.
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I agree sadtexan. I was impressed with the wording and the emotion. The writers clearly wanted this report to be read by any and all. Many people can still be pro-nuke but horrified with how TEPCO and the Japanese government dealt with this particular disaster. I hope more than an official Japanese NRC comes of it. I think the wording and the stories will touch many people. It is one more step towards ending nuclear energy.
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AND in the meantime..
[Live] Organizer stopped protest, police shut down the exists of subway.
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/07/live-organizer-stopped-protest-police-shut-down-the-exists-of-subway/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
We have people in the street.
Heads up!
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What is the reason for keeping people in the subways?
Maybe the top dogs think people are just rats, to be kept down in the sewers?
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Breathing is risky now. Step outside, or if the window is cracked, you can breathe it in (plutonium).
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Breathing has been hazardous to your health for at least a century and a half, you know. I can remember when the coal dust was so thick in central PA that I believed as only a child can the state honestly came in grayscale like a B&W halftone. I can remember when rivers burned and the yellow, sulphur-smelling paper mill smog ate paint of houses and cars… "No Evidence" that it also ate people's lungs everyone was told, despite the highest lung cancer/emphysema/COPD death rates in the world downwind of those mills. Denial. Oh, yeah… and chlorine causes cancer.
It's just than since the end of WW2 we've had gaseous/particulate radiation to add to the burden. It has steadily increased as many of the other air pollutants have diminished via regulation due to public outrage. Breathing is hazardous to your health. So is eating. Drinking water. Exercising. Not exercising. Lack of health care. Actual health care… Living in the material world is a 100% fatal endeavor, in all generations. We just want the liberty to choose our own poisons, that's all. Nobody likes getting dumped on and lied to.
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I need an answer….we all need an answer. Please answer these questions because you are the only people ontop of this situation.
Questions:
1. If this is so serious..then how can there be workers deconstructing reactor 4.. u figure they would be dead by now. Appearently they were even able to take it apart after it fell on June 26th..shouldn't they be dead after minutes of exposure?
There were probably 4 – 6 MELT-THOUGHS…..how can they even work at the nuke station……..with record breaking radiation levels…….they should be dead……I just don't see how the work is being done…………How?
2. Why didn't reactor 4 explode into flames after it fell?
3. What is the reason that no one knows about these accidents but the people on this website forum……..you know……..?
Thanks.. mainly want answers for 1 and 2…..then give 3 a try
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1. There are already a lot of dead reactor workers. Many have hit their personal radiological exposure limits and have left. Many of the replacements are stupid, or forced to work there by the Yakuza. They will be bringing in new workers to replace the dead, dying and over-exposed. Anyone with any brains wouldn't go near the place, so the replacements will be of a 'less cerebral' nature.
2. A failing reactor doesn't necessarily 'burst into flames'. What is happening at Fukushima is unprecedented, and new realities of physics are being created. There is a lot of 'sci-fi' stuff going on that no one has ever seen, let alone predicted.
3. Massive amounts of money being spent to keep a very small group of people in power. We're dealing with people that over centuries have perfected the art of population brainwashing through media control. But the Net has become something that is a little harder to hide. Never before have so many people had access to a worldwide supply of information.
Enenews is the red pill. Most people want the blue pill. It really is that simple. If you haven't seen the movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps
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@Time Is Short: excellent response on your part.
I'm sooo impressed by this crowd! It's amazing how disciplined and well-considered the responses are out here.
Keep up the awesome work people!!!
Gotta go…
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Greensnotbubble: OK, your straightforward questions deserve an equally straightforward answer.
1. Workers can be in Building4, because Reactor4 went out of service in November, 2010. SFP4 was full of spent fuel, which burned and sparked when SFP4 was dewatered after 311 from a pump leak. Now, SFP4 is full of water, which moderates the high radiation being emitted from SFP4. A plate steel cover is in place over SFP4 to keep construction debris out. Building4 hasn't fallen. (If it has, it is news to me, and I need your information source on this.) Instead, I believe you are referring to the demolition of structures above the level of the equipment floor. This is in preparation for the construction of columns to support cranes needed to remove the spent fuel from SFP4. So, Building4 now looks tiny compared, say, to Building2, which is the original height of the 6 reactor buildings. BTW, there were 3 melt throughs at Fuku, from Reactors1,2,&3.
2. I believe this also answers your question2. Building4 did NOT fall.
3. TEPCO announced, liers that they are, in December, 2011, that all Fuku reactors had been brought into cold shutdown. All on ENEnews believe this anouncement was in error, since Reactors1,2,&3 had melted through the containments, and had probably gone ex-reactor building. How can 3 bus-sized blobs of molten corium boring into bedrock under Buildings1,2,&3 possibly be considered under control?
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Thanks awesome explanation!
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Having read most of this thread I have to say again, Sheesh!. No wonder only a few people comment here. Like so many others this thread was again hijacked by conspiracy theories (and theorists) which have absolutely nothing to do with the particular topic at the top of the page. Most of this thread is babblespeak and small talk between people as if this were their private chatroom.
Some people seem determined to turn this site into another "Prison Planet' which they apparently adore and believe is gospel. They forget that this is not their site, they ignore the frequent polite admonitions from the host to stay on topic.
A certain amount of back and forth is normal on blogs but it's off the rails here. It's so easy just to spout off. Just say any and everything that pops into one's head. No holds barred. The worse the better. But you do a great disservice to those coming here hoping for information and intelligent discussion.
Maybe you're right that lizards are in charge of the world and that mars will attack any day now, that Obama is the antichrist and everyone in power is a mother trying to off your kids (or whatever). That's what Alex Jones' site if for. Go there and spout. Wallow there in negativity and doomerism if that's what gets you off.
Yes the world is in bad shape! Yes things suck! But just coming here and parroting that over and over and over again is helping nothing and no one, in fact it's driving people away.
Maybe enenews should have…
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I understand your issue, Ron. But I think you're being oversensitive. Only a few people comment here because of the nature of this site. Took me six months to even notice there was a comment section below the headlines and links, which were immensely helpful as a resource to me for research and reporting purposes. It was almost a year before I started commenting myself, and only then because I'd come to like so many of the 'regulars', even if they're sometimes hyperbolic and somewhat gullible. Aren't we all?
I have learned in more than 6 decades of Life on Planet Earth that the objective TRUTH is almost always somewhere in between the mainstream news pablum and the CTer's paranoia. You'll never find out what the truth really is – or even know enough to go looking for it – if you're not familiar with what's coming from both sides. The mainstream media's pablum is always designed to hide truth and induce complacency. The conspiracist's paranoia is always over-hyped, but at least they know they've been lied to by authorities.
That means they have to come up with something they can understand personally to replace the lies, and that will of course reflect their nature and resentment at being lied to by the powers that be. Both angles contain kernels of truth in amongst the chaff, so there's no reason (IMO) to write 'em all off.
Besides, CTers are some of the most entertaining people anywhere. Also IMO. §;o)
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Great post Joy!
After looking at the information about HAARP as objectively as possible I'm convinced that there is a lot more to this system than officially advertised.
That doesn't mean its capabilities are clear; just that the official story is full of holes.
Same goes for 9/11.
Evil conspiracies are not unknown.
I recommend reading: In the Name of Science: A History of Secret Programs, Medical Research, and Human Experimentation by Andrew Goliszek
St. Martin's Press http://us.macmillan.com/inthenameofscience/AndrewGoliszek
Also Undue Risk: Secret State Experiments on Humans [Paperback]
Jonathan D. Moreno (Author)
After looking at the history of radiation research I'm convinced there is a conspiracy to:
1. Confuse public opinion about the relative dangers of alpha, beta, and gamma radiation and persuade the public that they are all safe (a 60 year conspiracy)
2. Hide scope and significance of Fukushima disaster
3. Hide health and environmental effects of Fukushima in Japan and elsewhere
4. Actively engage in propaganda in science, mainstream media, and on the internet
Some conspiracies are real…
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majia, this is OT, but just for the record, I have no doubt that there have been and are serious conspiracies that are true. Of course there are, you'd have to be pretty ignorant of history and human nature to think otherwise.
Sadly though there is a large element among avid CTers that have become truly paranoid, they see evil everywhere and are essentially ruled by fear and hate, it can't be a happy life. And that's the danger with wild CTs, They imply that everyone (but oneself and one's personal friends of course) are untrustworthy and under suspicion. And oddly, the more outlandish something is the more likely it is to be believed.
One example of how destructive they can be is what happened during the Salem witch trials. Maybe someone didn't like someone else so they'd start a whisper campaign, "She's a witch. I saw her do this or that." So she'd burn. Wars are often fueled on strange beliefs that one side has been (artfully) taught about the other.
I absolutely hope all conspiracies will be exposed, especially those which are destructive to life and the environment. But things like HAARP and the Bilderbergs and the Trilateral Commission etc. (insert favorite conspiracy here) all of which have been mentioned in these threads at one time or other, some often, are way OT. They are, in fact, diversionary to the topic at hand.
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@JoyB and majia: admin's been very patient and made every effort to partition forums for us all. Ron's being very astute in warning that we must be both disciplined and vigilant against being side-tracked.
Most of us acknowledge that this site offers unparallelled opportunity to learn (one of the reasons I value you two, so much) about nuclear related issues. For such reason, every effort must be exerted to maintain its quality and promise. Unless we're willing to see this site reduced to '70s CB radio (yeeesh!), then we need self-imposed standards and good-faith adherence to admin policy…
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I understand, AS. I was just answering an objection. I've made the same objection myself on occasion when things got out of hand, and I believed you (all here) were being fed deliberate misinformation geared towards a CT frame. This should all be on the OT forum, I agree.
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Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
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Don't be sorry Ron. You are correct…
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I got too wordy and my suggestion at the end ran out. It was that maybe Enenews could think about a conspiracy forum where stuff like that can be channeled.
Real Climate has something called the Bore Hole where off topic or nonsense posts flushed on a regular basis.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/the-bore-hole/
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this site already has an off-topic forum (see below URL). Problem is, ideologues insist on using mainstream forums to promote their agenda. I don't mind when people go adrift; we're all guilty of that. What I don't care for is how some insist on diverting – every – topic, towards the edge.
Then there are those whose only agenda is to wreak havoc on invaluable sites, like this one. They're no different than those who rain-down death upon innocents. They are the ultimate in psychopaths, as they're fully aware that their work results in confusion and suffering. From kiddie-porn to political-spin, there isn't anything they wouldn't put their hand to…
http://enenews.com/forum-topic-discussion-thread-feb-26-2012-present
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"What I don't care for is how some insist on diverting – every – topic, towards the edge."
Yep. I don't know how many times I've clicked on a topic and noticed that right from the get go the comments are completely OT. They get diverted straight to someone's pet ideas. That's just disrespectful, especially when the host has requested us so many times to please not do that, and when he/she has made a forum just for OT discussion. Course, maybe the objective is to make Enenewers look like a bunch of crackpots.
I read where one guy was insisting on posting copies of the constitution. He apparently tried multiple times even after warnings by the site host. I mean, come on people!
Given the nature of the subject matter it's hard not to get negative. Like you say we've all done it, but after awhile parroting the same dismal predictions of hopeless apocalypse over and over gets worn out and adds nothing useful to he discussion.
I truly think some people actually get a rush from the thought. Apocalypse, YEAH! No more laws. Total freedom to do what i want! They forget though that there are real people in Japan that are scared to death right now, frightened for their children, yet these posters are merciless in their fear mongering."You're all gonna die!" "You're all gonna die!". Yes there is good reason to be afraid but do you have to RAM it down people's throats?
Ultimately it's up to the site host here at Enenews to set the rules and enforce them.
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Ron I totally differ in opinion …… the main stream media; which maintains everything at an even strain is partially why people don't get the news about the meltthroughs as the general public still doesn't know about it. So called conspiracy theorists are actually some of the most brilliant truth-seekers just looking to say, "Hey look out!!!! Something bad is headed your way!!" No harm intended. You think tepco and the media have your back Ron?…Melt throughs were extreme and so are the answers as to why this horrible event happened…….. Solar power or even petrol is better than nuke stations.
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Ron, you would make a stronger impression if you avoid adding strawmen to your argument. Out of 90 some comments, I counted about 5 or 6 that were in any way favorable to the view that HAARP and Agenda 21 were worrisome. No commenter mentioned lizards, except you. The vast majority are hugely informative. I think any fear new visitors will run screaming in horror at how "crazy" this site is, is unfounded.
JoyB and greensnotbubbles, you 2 are spot on and I believe speak for a larger percentage of Enewsers. As Time Is Short puts it, this place is "the red pill". Some just want to give it a little lick. Some are brave enough to nibble off a small corner. Others have gulped down handfuls of red pills.
The term "conspiracy theory" as a pejorative is sophomoric ad hominem. Cleary big nuke, gov. media, are conspiring at some levels to keep the whole truth from the masses.
Most of us who would like to end such activity see it clearly for what it is and also understand it is not the only issue our "leaders" lie about. Greed for wealth and power make some do evil things, sorry but it is true.
If I were king of Enenews for a day I would run a poll. Very curious what the breakdown would be on a few questions not directly, but tangentially related to how we might stop the madness. I will only mention one. For me personally I would love to know how many people here believe the official story about what happened on 9/11. Call me names if it makes you…
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Thanks, johnnyo. I'm not going to answer your poll here, it belongs on the OT forum. And I probably won't answer there either, because I've actually seen – and been involved with personally – this government deliberately sacrifice thousands of innocent people just to protect their MAD madness during the bad old cold War – and the ugly religion known as nuclear power. Once you know they're entirely capable of that (and I honestly liked Jimmy Carter), it's hard to put anything past 'em.
So. No Comment. §;o)
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ahhh, yes Joy…..the fabeled "OT Forum"
I have heard tell of this glorious place.
Does it in fact exist? Where, pray tell.
Understand the no comment, I think I've seen you down the rabbit hole so I know you are aware of how deep it goes.
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Hey all….thanks
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I have been waiting and waiting for the Japanese PTB to begin using the term "melt-through" to describe the situation in 3 Fuku plants. We have been using this term since 311. Apparently, we won't have to wait much longer.
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Excellent thread for all truth seekers and for Enenews.
Reality is what we make and or create, but for those that are not looking, they allow someone else to determine their realities for them.
The sooner we find the truth in "all" matters, the sooner we can implement the proper solutions to improve the future for all of mankind.
Lies only hide inside the shadows purposely cast, where the "bright light" can not be seen, and all topics carry equal weight, during the want or got to know the truth, discovery process.
Mankind has created a real mess for his only inhabitable planet called Earth.
We had all better get to "cleaning up this mess" very quickly and we can start by dragging all the "lies" out from the shadows and placing them directly into the bright light, for all to see.
Do not take "No" for an answer and shut them down, shut them all down and do it now!
Today is the future!
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Nice thread, everyone.
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Welcome back in aigeezer,
Once you know, it's impossible to deny…
Once you know, it's impossible to forget…
Once you know, it's impossible to walk away…
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Thanks to all and to admin, for a great discussion here from so many so clearly dedicated!
The efforts seem 2: sort out technical life-threatening realities re nuclear; and explore human behavior realities that have caused us (humanity) to lead ourselves to the brink or certain disaster, taking much of the rest of earth's life-forms with us.
I do think both 'threads' are vital, essential. IMO, the most likely explanations for villains is "normal human psychology" and "the shaping of world views and belief systems." We develop beliefs/behaviors in complex ways, starting as infants in cultural contexts. By listening and by experience, we develop "paradigms".
I think the admonition "know thyself" applies to the whole of humanity, not only to the individual. By "know ourselves", I mean know human psychology, why we do what we do, including how we mislead others or allow ourselves to be misled.
IMO, psychology is a neglected but essential field of study to give insight on issues we now face, incl. nuclear, and incl. corruption in power/wealth/governance. To the extent we do not "know ourselves" then "fixes" are temporary; unexamined patterns, dynamics in relationship, will re-emerge, continue.
The two studies (technical life-threatening realities re nuclear; human behavior) are each immense. Discussions easily get bogged down when they are mixed. The behavior study may need it's own place – but is profoundly valid.
I'm glad you're all…
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I'm glad you're all here – ENE is a good place! I'd feel quite alone without you!
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excellent thoughts Maggie. Thank you…
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I've pretty much stopped commenting here, in part because of all of the people who dis 'conspiracy theory' & any discussion of HAARP, Agenda 21, the NWO, etc. I doubt that these doubters have spent much if any time researching that which they dis.
My IQ tested at 143, I stood out academically all through school, was a National Merit semi-finalist (with no test prep or anything like that), I scored in the 99th percentile in the GRE in English twice, with no study/prep, & scored high in math also (for women, scored in 99th percentile in math also).
Since the age of 27-28 I've spent a good deal of time on independent study of the so-called 'conspiracy theories' – about things like the Fed, the money scam, the CIA running drugs, Project Monarch, MK Ultra & – in general, the deep corruption in govt. I've read many books on these subjects & devoted a lot of thought to them. There's more truth than falsehood to these theories.
Throughout history, amoral men have wanted to get control of govt. with its vast powers, in order to use those powers to enrich themselves. This goes back to ancient Rome & earlier. Humans would rather steal than work, & govt./the law is a powerful tool that can be mis-used to confiscate workers' earnings.
Socialism/collectivism is a clever ruse to confiscate our earnings, under the guise of 'helping the poor.'
But I am tired of being insulted by people who have not even taken the time to study what they put down.
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hi bleep. it's all our loss if you don't comment.
on the CT issues, some i can personally agree on, some i can't. i think it's best to not throw them all into one basket as you just did above.
for me, there is so much info fluff in the world, i do my best to stick with whatever is closest to 100% fact. the further from being able to definitely prove, the less time i can apply to it.
because there is plenty, plenty of material that can be held up to light and it will hold solid. WMDs are one of the simplest.
this material all leads to a similar conclusion as you made above, 'the deep corruption in govt'. the global corp is stronger then ever, at it's peak maybe. nothing like it has occurred before.
i'm not trying to be divisive or dissing. i'd just like to stick with the stuff that we can really prove, because it can be just as strong as any of the more extreme CT concepts. and takes less effort to sustain.
not easy. wow, what a thread it's been. i hope you do know i want to work with you and all, i side with you about the key issues here. keep well, stick with it.
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BHB and others, don't think I am suggesting you don't comment here. That's not my say. It's just that these threads seem to so often get derailed by diversions into wild, irresponsible, unproven assertions. We all know it. People will just say anything as if it's true, you name it. The wilder the better. There's no real attempt to be accurate. Thing is, even if it is true these theories usually have little to do with the topic under discussion.
Don't go away. As Aftershock pointed out above, there is a place on this site to discuss things that are off topic.
http://enenews.com/fukushima-response-hearing-accident-brought-worst-scenario-melt/comment-page-1#comment-269206
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Bleep
I appreciate your comments.
I believe there is more to HAARP and weather modification than officially recognized.
I don't think these issues are tangential to the discussion because the more I learn the more I realize that the official line is the real conspiracy story.
I'm sorry you are not feeling well.
I have found that taking baking soda everyday and probiotics have helped a lot. Eating watermellon seems to cleanse g.i. system.
take care
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Thanks, Majia. I need to remember to take the baking soda
– thanks for the reminder. And to get some more watermelon!
BTW you are one whose comments and contributions I always find to be very intelligent and well-researched.
Yes, my health has taken a real nose-dive. Part of it could be – I believe it is – due to being very depressed by this monster of a catastrophe, and what it has taught me about the fast and loose ways of the elites in industry and government. They have their eye on clinching that next profitable, paid-for-by-the taxpayers deal – and the hell with the planet and future generations.
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Arm & Hammer or Bob's ? If you are ingesting it daily the Bob's red mill brand has no or very little aluminum unlike the A&H brand.
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Bleep, I always enjoyed your company here.
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Thanks CB.
I am just sick – probably from Fuku radiation, or possibly anyway – and lack the energy to joust with yet another crop of the artfully mis-informed. it just makes me so discouraged to see, even here, too many people who are lazy, self-indulgent, superficial thinkers. Of course there are many who are not, and I peruse the comments and find good information. And of course some contributors are more thoughtful and better self-educated than others.
But I have largely stopped contributing. As mentioned, I am sick, have been for over half a year now, and just don't have the energy for it. It has been this way for a long time – I am the scholarly one, the one doing research, digging deeper than the the MSM, learning, thinking, eager to share my information and do my part to 'save the world' – and being put down, ignored, ridiculed.
And it happens at the university level too – in fact the 'highly educated' are all to often the 'highly brain-washed' – they have paid for their brain-washing with money, time, and effort, and they do not easily admit that, despite their high IQs, they have played the fool.
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Bleep, I decided some years back that the "real" ending in the story "The Emperor's New Clothes" was that the youth who spoke up brought embarrassment to his parents who immediately 'shushed' him, whisked him home, and sent him to his room without supper. It is a tough go to commit oneself to speaking examined and challenging possibilities, when living by unexamined or barely examined beliefs is so much more comfortable for so many.
At the same time, I recognize in myself clear decisions to not "chase" some challenging questions, even when privately I hold them to have validity. I was once advised of the necessity to "choose the hill I was willing to die on". So I have a "theme and associated sub-themes" I cannot be silent on, and speak on these. I let some other themes go – not because I find them invalid, but because I have a different drum to beat. In discussions elsewhere, I am one who is either ignored or given a response that amounts to a pat on the head for my foolish persistence.
"Consensus reality" is very powerful. We must speak when we can, as we can … you are not alone
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Maggie, Thanks for your reply. I have gotten some really fine responses to that post of mine that I expected to be 'punished' for.
I agree – we can't be interested in everything, & it is a matter of personal choice & interest, what we do become involved with.
I've felt very 'called'-like I had a mission-to learn about these seriously destructive things that the elites are doing to our world. It's been an important part of my life. But my interests are not the only valid interests to take up.
Right now the world is at a crisis/turning point because the elites are just running the world for their own profit & gain & jeopardizing the viability of the planet – destroying so much – including many lives.
I agree with the founders of our country that all of us have a duty take some interest in this – we have a responsibility to 'our posterity.' & we are living right now with the unfolding, & tragic, consequences of too few people acting like responsible adults.
I've come to believe that human nature is fatally flawed & our story is not going to have a happy ending. & yet, I can't stop caring, & trying.
I can see how much good there is in people, how many diverse talents there are to be nurtured & expressed. I also believe that if people are raised 'right' – that is with lots of love & understanding – they will turn out much better – won't WANT to do these selfish & destructive things. Or will be less inclined that way.
Out of space! Aloha!
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You are not alone, tough bunch here. I don't comment as I would like. Im sure I pushed I pushed a few buttons here. Man up, you are among friends bleep!
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Thanks very much CB. (I expected to get roasted over the coals for posting those comments!)And there certainly are several bright and informed people here.
I do think the readership/ participation has declined somewhat, here on enenews.
A website like this one should be open to divergent ideas and theories; and certainly, before dismissing them, people should take a few minutes to check them out and give them some thought – especially now that we have the internet, which makes research so easy.
The most important attributes a truth-seeker/researcher can have are an open and curious mind, a degree of detachment from one's own ideas/theories, and a willingness to be proven wrong – to learn something new.
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+ 100 bleep!
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"can't stop caring, & trying." Good, bleep! Keep posting. We need you. Elites and their agents want us to get discouraged, keep quiet, give up. Miracles can happen when enough people understand and persist. At this crisis/turning point, we need to choose our battles. For me the priorities are 1. stop nukes before they stop us 2. reduce causes of climate catastrophe amap and promote alternatives like solar, wind, conservation 3. get the laws changed that gave corporations the power to run/ruin the world http://www.MoveToAmend.org
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