Fukushima worker on verge of breakdown speaking about 3/11: “The earth around me distorting like Jell-O” — Massive upheavals taking entire Reactor 1 turbine building with it — “Sounds like it wants to come apart, going to explode” — “Concrete floor and walls around us began to crack” (AUDIO)

Published: April 11th, 2014 at 10:47 am ET
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Fog of Disbelief, The Moth, Mar. 11, 2014:

Carl Pillitteri, supervisor at Fukushima Daiichi on 3/11 (at 1:30 in)

  • It was always my favorite place to work. [...] My crew and I were working inside of the Reactor No. 1 turbine building, a huge rectangular-shaped building similar in size to an international airport hangar.
  • This powerful earthquake causes these massive upheavals of the earth, and then these dropping sensations. It was taking this entire structure we were in with it. It was very violent and it was just starting [...] the concrete floor and walls around us began to crack and sections of duct work were coming down and the lights were dropping everywhere [...] this huge structure getting the living hell shook out of it. [...] We were standing just yards in front of this massive turbine and generator which was spinning at 1500 RPMs being driven by this steam coming right off reactor 1, right off the reactor. You don’t want a reactor… it was at 100% power and the sounds that began to come out of this turbine catch my attention and I start to realize it sounds like it wants to come apart and it’s going to explode.
  • As if to galvanize and confirm my fears I hear my American coworker from afar in complete darkness ‘It’s going to blow, it’s going to blow.’ I recognized the terror in his voice. [...] I went to a psalm, 23:4 … “Though I walk through the valley of the shadow death I feel no evil.” I couldn’t get through it and I broke down in the middle somewhere and surrendered and asked, “Just please, just make this quick.” So we rode it out into the darkness. We were frozen there. We could feel it, we could hear it, we could smell it, we could even taste it, we just couldn’t see it.
  • [Quakes] were just ripping through [...] the earth around me distorting like Jell-O.

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132 comments to Fukushima worker on verge of breakdown speaking about 3/11: “The earth around me distorting like Jell-O” — Massive upheavals taking entire Reactor 1 turbine building with it — “Sounds like it wants to come apart, going to explode” — “Concrete floor and walls around us began to crack” (AUDIO)

    • Gasser Gasser

      This may be appropriate for the time;

      Marty Robins: El Paso

      Go here first for the gist of the corium gasp!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kIHRgisdbeY
      ~~~~~~~

      Out in the East Prefecture of Fukushima
      
I worked at the Daiichi Nuclear reactors

      Night time would find me in the control room

      Turbines would hum and the gauges would whirl.

      Blue an bright where the fuel pools of Daiichi

      Wicked and evil while casting their radiation spell

      The water was deep for these MOX fuel rods cooling

      I was cautious, but in fear I could tell.

      One day a wild earthquake and Tsunami came rolling in

      Wilder than any West Texas wind

      Dashing and tearing, water it was sharing

      With the wicked Reactors that I controlled.

      So in fear

      
I was challenged for my right to harness these reactors

      Down went my hands to the control panel by my side

      My challenge was answered in less than a heartbeat

      Reactor rods lay melting on the containment vessel floor.

      
For a moment I froze in fear silence

      Shocked what an evil criticality deed the tsunami had done

      Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there

      I had but one chance and that was to run.

      [Cont]


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      • Gasser Gasser

        [Cont]

        Out through the back door of Daiichi I ran
        
Out where the cars were parked
        
I found a fast one
It looked like it could run
        
Up on its seat and away I did drive

        Just as fast as I could.

        
From the Fukushima Prefecture of Japan

        Out into the wasted lands of Tsunami debris.

        Back in Daiichi my life would be worthless
        
Everything's gone in life, nothing is left
        
It's been not long since I've seen the blown up reactors

        My heroism is stronger than my fear of death.

        I gassed up and back I did drive
        
Driving alone in the dark

        Maybe tomorrow MOX Plutonium may find me
        
Tonight nothing's worse than this Cesium pain in my heart.

        [Cont]


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        • Gasser Gasser

          [Cont]

          And at last here I am

          
On the hill overlooking Daiichi
I can see Corium's black smoke below

          My stupidity is strong and it pushes me onward
          
Down off the hill to the reactor control room I go.

          Off to my right I see five big Earthquake cracks

          Off to my left steam a dozen or more.
          
Shouting and running I can't let #4 fuel pool burn

          I have to make it to Daiichi's water supply

          Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel
          
A deep burning pain in my side.
          
Though I am trying to fill up the fuel pool

          I'm getting weary, unable to hang on

          But my love for Japan is strong
          
And I rise where I've fallen.

          
Though I am weary I can't stop to rest
          
I see puff's of smoke from the containment vessel
          
I feel the MOX Plutonium go deep in my chest.

          From out of nowhere Strontium has found me
          
Entering my bones as I kneel by the water supply

          Cradled by two water pumps that I'de die for

          There's only one drop of water, hu…manity…good…bye.

          ~Gasser Classic~


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      • name999 name999

        gasser, sad one…puts me right at the scene, feelin' it…


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Me thinks that maybe putting a sarcophagus on jello might not be so prudent.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Tsfw (your face is vaguelly familiar.)

      Continue the underground Impermeable Wall all the way around Units1-4.
      This is an underground wall of interlocking sheet steel pilings pounded 100' into the impermeable mudrock layer that forms the lower limit of the aquifer at Fukushima.
      When finished, the water is pumped out, and the steel tubes are filled with concrete.
      This wall is already 1/4 completed, in front of Reactors1&2.

      After Wall #1 is finished, build second wall, parallel to, and 100' from, Wall #1.
      As the earth between the two parallel walls is excavated, the two steel walls are tied together with steel beams.
      When fully excavated drilling rigs will take cores from under Reactors1-3 at the 100' level, to try to locate molten corium and/or corium lava tubes.
      These may need further action before the final concrete pour.
      Fill the 100' space between Walls1&2 with reinforced concrete.
      This double wall isolates Corium1-3 from groundwater and keeps contamination out of the Pacific Ocean.
      The reinforced concrete-filled wall, poured between the twin parallel underground Impermeable Walls forms the FOUNDATION of the Sarcophagus.
      Get the picture? ;)


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      • tsfw tsfw

        Sounds heavy. What happens with that if there's another 9.0?


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        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          It collapses along with everything else.

          Even the new Chernobyl sarcophagus is only estimated to last for only 100 years:

          http://www.euronews.com/2013/04/27/work-on-new-sarcophagus-continues-as-chernobyl-marks-27-years

          There won't be enough able workers left to build a new one in a hundred years there.


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        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Tsfw:
          What happens to the Sarcophagus, including to the foundation, in a big earthquake, is what usually happens to reinforced concrete in a 9.0 earthquake. We have lots of experience with building materials. Kobe, for example. What will happen to San Francisco in a 9.0 earthquake?

          To handle a 9.0 EQ, I would put a rubber membrane over the reinforced concrete floor of the Sarcophagus. This is a 10' thick slab of reinforced concrete poured over the ground between Reactors1-4 Buildings, and the Foundation.
          Also, cover the reinforced concrete Sarcophagus with a rubber membrane to seal off any cracks caused by future earthquakes.
          Also, fill the Corium Lava Tubes under Reactors1-3 with cement, down to a depth of one mile, if necessary. This will keep sinkholes from opening up under the reactors.

          The sheet steel interlocking pilings have a certain amount of give between each piling. They will survive a substantial earthquake without coming apart, even if cracks appear in some of the concrete. We have also suggested that the concrete foundation, as well as the Sarcophagus itself, be made of reinforced concrete (using rebar), which will resist breaking up during a substantial earthquake.

          Sarcophagus Over Fukushima?
          Build it right now, TEPCO! ;)


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          • dosdos dosdos

            And what if you run into a finger of the corium while excavating between concreted tubes? And even if you manage to have a structure created, what happens when this top heavy structure get hit by another big one?

            I still don't buy into the idea of concreting. It's not going to solve anything and it just makes a solution harder to achieve. First, it will have to be removed to resume decommissioning. Second, with it in place, providing a false sense of security, it will calm the feeling of need to develop a solution. Concrete is not the answer.


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      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Hell of a way to boil water…


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      I'm with you TSFW, any attempt ot seal this mess up in a rigid structure will face the geological "challenges" of the site. Another band-aid on a dismembered limb of the nuclear monster. The point isn't that you can't seal it, the point is that it won't stay however you put it. This mess needs to be relocated. If not it is no different than just pushing it into the sea tomorrow.


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      • tsfw tsfw

        The way I interpret what's going on is that this isn't much of a solution, but it's the only one we have. We are that screwed ):


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        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Tsfw and 16Penny, you are right.
          Once the Sarcophagus is complete, planning should begin on what to replace the first effort with.
          Like has happened at Charnobyl, a sarcophagus has a limited life span, 30 to 50 years at best.
          The radionuclides the sarcophagus attempts to contain, on the other hand, have a very, very, very long life span!

          (You would think that the human race would learn its lesson, after all these nuclear accidents, wouldn't you?) ;)


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          • Thanks Phillip – the perfect place to insert this:

            I was thinking: "Dammit Jim, I'm a nuclear physicist, not an epidemiologist!" [forgive the levity].

            That is, education in the right places is key.

            Thinking of Chomsky's proverbial vantage point – looking down from a Martian spaceship (let's say) as it hovers above earth collecting its impartial and objective data on the real situation, what if, in fact, each and every one of us is now going through an accelerated death process because of this? How can we not be, given Mangano's findings?

            04/11/2014 – 08:59
            Fukushima’s lessons, unlearned in America?
            Edwin Lyman
            http://thebulletin.org/fukushima%E2%80%99s-lessons-unlearned-america7041

            [Summary: we haven't learnt the lessons].

            And, I guess Mangano must have been talking about UFOs or ghosts – which suffer from a similar undeserved level of disbelief among our blessed populace, despite the overwhelming evidence:

            "Radiation is in fact getting into people's bodies", Mangano maintains, "its getting in at higher amounts and we're seeing cancer rates go up."

            Skepticism Greets Study Claiming Radiation Threat from Diablo Canyon

            SLO County Public Health preparing official response to recent study.

            Keith Carls, KCOY Central Coast News Reporter, KeithCarls@kcoy.com
            POSTED: 04:44 PM PDT Apr 11, 2014
            UPDATED: 06:00 PM PDT Apr 11, 2014

            http://www.keyt.com/news/skepticism-greets-study-claiming-radiation-threat-from-diablo-canyon/25441010


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        • Tarangela Tarangela

          Everybody gets to go around one time
          (And they said it wouldn't last)
          After that baby gonna go bye-bye
          (Before you know it you're the past)
          Everybody got to check out sometime
          You go first
          I'll catch up right behind

          In the ending you can bet
          Everyone's a loser

          Kiss your ass good-bye

          (From the Styx song)


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      • Where are the abandoned, lost orphan coriums TEPCO?

        Don't you care about orphans?


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        • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

          They have been washing them into the ocean for three years. The "cooling water" isn't cooling water at all…it's a power-washer.

          They are responsible for every atom on the site (for the most part)…so when it comes time to do a close examination by independents…there won't be so much left that they have to do anything with.

          They also have a vested interest in washing out those buildings as much as they can…so they can get some workers in there to clean out the bits that the hose couldn't reach…

          No government, company, or individual that is in a seat of responsibility wants to find those coriums…because it would show that large amounts of each unit's fuel is no longer present in a nice litle glob…

          As long as the location of the remaining fuel from each reactor is still hidden…then the company and gov will continue to say that the fuel is in the buildings…or even containment…and therefore any cancers or deaths resulting in these first few years wouldn't be attributed to them because the story is that the fuel is still in the buildings (therefore couldn't have caused your cancer).

          Remember that the WHO was completely absent from Chernobyl for 5 years.

          They are all doing it again with Fuku.

          You won't get an answer to where the corium is. You don't need one, either…because it's loose. Whatever "glob" remains isn't the problem…it's the nano dust directly from the fuel assemblies that is circling the globe.


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          • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

            Remember the Muon detectors they were aiming at the units to try to locate the corium? I don't recall any further information on that. Has anyone else?

            If they were searching for corium with Muon detectors…then we should brush up on why Muons…

            They know exactly where the consolidated blobs are. Neutrons can pass through miles of earth without stopping, right? Turn on your neutron detector on site and I bet you could pinpoint every corium blob and SFP on site…not to mention Daiini's.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              problem is, MoonlightEmpire, Neutron detectors must be isolated beneath masses of material to absorb random cosmic rays. Otherwise, when the detector does eventually trip the detector when it collides with a oxygen atom, it gives no indication of its inbound direction. The Muon thing is beyond me. I do recall discussions to using such detection technology to locate the "blobs", but haven't seen anything since…

              Check this out. Just released yesterday…

              Capturing a Super Energetic Neutrino Named Big Bird

              http://www.wired.com/2014/04/grawk-big-bird-neutrino/


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              • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

                Thanks for the reply and the link. They had to mine out a complex a mile beneath the ice of the south pole in order to filter out some of the neutrinos coming through that they didn't want.

                I'm pretty sure that a neutrino is not a neutron…I understand what you said about the shielding…and that the direction of the neutron radiation may not be easy to tell…though at the same time, it's not outside of our ability.

                Remember neutron bombs? They were developed and used so they could kill all the men inside of the tanks, but leave the tanks intact…or everyone in a city but leave all the buildings intact…capitalistic bomb?

                I wonder if there is any info on how far away from a NPP the escaping neutron radiation is detectable. I know a few mothers and fathers that wouldn't want their kids' dna shredded by these un-necessary relics.

                OT: Re-assign all nuclear industry personnel to de-comissioning duties immediately. Not a single job would be lost. They would all hold basically the same positions…but they would be actively de-commissioning their plant.

                The ease of abolishing the nuclear industry is telling of the fact that those who are in positions to do so (currently and past) are not doing it because of vested interests. Though this may be their reason, it is no excuse.

                Pres of the US and all others around the world know of the horrors of nuclear and so much more, but do nothing.

                Strip them of everything.


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  welcome, MoonlightEmpire. And thanks for correcting my mix-up between the two terms. I get a bit frayed running about to different locations and sites throughout the day. And yes, I recall Carter cancelling the Neutron weapons research. It was determined by strategists, that when fellow soldiers uncorked the hatches of tanks and discovered the horror of what their brothers endured before death, they'd go on an unstoppable suicide rampage. High flux Neutron exposure interferes with the the normal communications between the brain and outlying nervous system. This results in convulsive death of the exposed victims. And that's putting a smile on what you'd actually discover when looking at a victim. BTW. Neutron bombs were discovered by accident, from resulting "dirty bombs". It was only a matter of time before the weapons designers developed the knowledge to characterize the isotopes needed to produce a plasma "cloud" of Neutron radiation. I do so love the 'creative' capacity of humans…


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  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    Thank you for posting this and the Fairewinds.


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  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    Is that like trying to nail jello to a wall?


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  • GQR2

    This. is. incredible.
    great videos thank you ENEnews for all your work for this cause and for we who inhabit this space.


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  • obviously even without the subsequent tsunami those weapons {NPP} were already armed and triggered. Much as playing paintball with nitro instead of paint, the perps {GE} built those to fail catastrophically in such an event as a quake. It was premeditated atomnicide.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    ‘It’s going to blow, it’s going to blow.’

    It blew.
    Then #2 blew.
    Then #3 blew.
    Then #4 blew.
    Finally, the entire nuclear industry blew.
    Nobody wants nuclear anymore.
    The nuclear military cheats on their proficiency tests.
    Nuclear power plant operators drink on the job, and fudge their records.
    NRC field engineers look forward to their new high paying jobs in nuclear utilities after retirement.
    The public is clueless, as usual, thinking they are safe and protected, while nuclear operators just get high. ;)


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      'The nuclear military cheats on their proficiency tests.'

      Or they were replaced with people more 'compliant'.

      The people that gave us the 'cheating' story are also the people telling us nuclear is as safe as bananas.

      Hmm.


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  • What a story.

    :shock: "I stood in horror…" – Carl Pillitteri

    If people everywhere heard the realness of this, "though I walked through the valley of death…", I am certain they would realize the out of control idiocy of Nuclear Power.

    As long as these radioactive waste producing Death Machines exist we are all risking a walk through the valley of death.


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    • Shaker1

      Moving story, but one must be afraid of conclusions that are drawn from its telling. The man has heart, undoubtedly.

      Napoleon took generations of young French to their graves and still they cheered him as he rode in his carriage through the battered ranks after loss. The contemporary powers that be nor the French people even at that point couldn't do better than isolate him on an island and a personally comfortable end, thinking that the torment of his ego was effective return for their efforts. Fukushima has to more than this, more than a single story or the dignity of individuals or the tragedy will continue.


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  • Nick

    So, was it the earthquake or the tsunami?

    "Fukushima Accident

    (Updated April 2014)
    •Following a major earthquake, a 15-metre tsunami disabled the power supply and cooling of three Fukushima Daiichi reactors, "causing a nuclear accident on 11 March 2011. All three cores largely melted in the first three days."
    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/fukushima-accident/

    According to the above, Jelloed ground wasn't a problem.

    "lights were dropping everywhere [...] this huge structure getting the living hell shook out of it."

    Methinks some pipes and steel containment vessels were a tad compromised B4 the wall of water hit the plant.


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  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

    "“The earth around me distorting like Jell-O” — Massive upheavals taking entire Reactor 1 turbine building with it — “Sounds like it wants to come apart, going to explode” — “Concrete floor and walls around us began to crack”

    And some believe that remediation in place with a seawall or an ice wall is the way to go in an earthquake zone. . .rather than excavation and removal of coriums to another disposal area, away from fault lines and ocean. . .

    We'll hear that quote again in a few years.


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  • mark_eric

    It has always amazed me, this communication thing we humans have going here. Read Admin's careful selection of the real words people said when they tell there stories.

    Hell, you don't have to read it again. Once read, it is seared into your soul.

    How many times have you seen the words of psalm 23 before? How amazing that those exact same words told in context by someone who really meant those words as he was saying them fill us full of the exact same trembling dread that man was feeling in that moment.

    This mystery of what we are capable of sharing with each other is one of the things I believe the universe would be poorer for if we as a species disappear into the Long Goodnight.

    Perhaps each time we share our stories from our heart with each other we help move humanity away from realizing this fate and towards exploring its destiny.

    aHEMagain


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  • American Phoenix57

    Sounds a little like the up and down (vertical)earthquakes caused by HAARP antennas during earth tomography. Shallow, gravity distorting, vertical and can induce nausea and disorientation.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1jIjx0XF_U

    "Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."
    - William Cohen, former U.S. Secretary of Defense, April 1997.

    "Now where there are the weather and earth shaking technologies, or some circles call these weather and electro-magnetic weapons, used insidiously unfortunately by our military, our intelligence apparatus, and perhaps our military contractors for purposes contrary to that to which our public servants take their someone else holding the bag in the event destruction produced by, and where so-called ‘natural events were produced by military contractor technology in the guise of 'mother nature'.

    . . .former Senator John Glenn attempted to have our Congress prohibit the use of spaced based weapons. That class of weapons includes the 'weather weapons'."

    Respectfully,-Andrea Psoras, Senior VP QED International Associates, Inc US agent for Rapid Ratings International NY 1007

    just some old news…


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  • HoTaters

    Appreciate hearing this man's story. Not only for the truthfulness and knowing of his thoughts, but also for a description of what it was really like to be there.

    So much for the "design basis" of nuclear reactors being sufficient to withstand seismic motion, during extreme earthquake events.


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      HoTaters- Carl's story relates the truth that once the nuclear genie is let out, there is no forcing it back into containment.

      I wonder if this person still believes Nuclear is a successful technology that should continue, or if he is willing to say enough is enough and stand up to the nuclear cartels.


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    • 4Warnd 4Warnd

      His story, spoken in his own words, was heartfelt.

      After listening, I had to wonder why persons here upon this list, cannot or will not have compassion and empathy for these people who, followed one clod stomp foot forward after another in the walk of technology into a calamity that hoovers above us all.

      We, unfortunately, are all in this together. The experience of compassion and empathy for another, regardless of guilt or innocence is, at last, compassion for ourselves. And, Earth.

      OK then, now lets getting something done, beyond this. There is a point between and betwix fate and destiny. It is te point of taking an action.


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    • HoTaters

      Hmmn. Mine was the 2nd comment here. And it went … where?


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    • Sol Man

      I think that it was the mayor that answered the question from a concerned audience member with the fracking done in the area and whether or not it may have had something to do with the mine ceiling failure. Mayor says that fracking is done at oil wells and there are NO oil wells on the 16 sq. mile WIPP site. That is probably true but nobody knows the direction that the bedrock or salt fractures take or the distance that they go under the hundreds of thousands of psi. pressure that is used. Are the frack-created guaranteed not to occur at WIPP? What is the proof?
      It is about at the 31 minute mark at the 4/10/14 town meeting.


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  • An Oldie but Goodie, for anyone new here

    This is an easy to understandable, printable little chart which quickly gets to the heart of the meaning of CPM and MilliSievert per hour or per year mSv/H and what it means to you.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2012/04/geiger-counter-interpretation.html

    I made it the night before sending a geiger to a family in Japan that needed one, and comissioned a Japanese translation which is at the bottom of the post.


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  • Nuke makes raw sewage look like fine art.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Powerfully narrated wow. I wonder if he's still employed with the nuclear industry.


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  • monster

    Amazing story, I can't imagine the horror all the people went through. My thoughts go out to the survivors and the victims.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    The liars at the USGS did list this as a 6.9 originally. There is another issue the angle of the event, and where the tsunami occurred was all wrong suggesting more happened than was reported. More BS to think about I guess. This video is not for the squeamish, very real fear!

    http://enenews.com/fukushima-supervisor-near-breakdown-recounting-311-the-earth-around-me-distorting-like-jell-o-massive-upheavals-taking-entire-reactor-1-turbine-building-with-it-sounds-like-it-wants-to-c


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  • I am become death, destroyer of worlds

    Here is a short clip of Oppenheimer and his famous quote above. A reader has suggested the the strange head twist (at 14 seconds in) as he begins his statement of I am Become Death is actually the devil entering his body. It sure is odd. And look at his face, the stress, the introspection, the resignment.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/01/oppenheimer-and-trinity-nuclear-bomb.html


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    • Ontological Ontological

      They say he be Draconian. Whatever those snakes are, some say they are the Anunnaki, still called serpents for the fallen angel Allah (Lucifer)while in his 'fish suit'(divers gear/submarine suit) killed a curious snake by accident with a disruption beam after he landed his shuttle craft on Earth in what is now Mesopotamia many many Shars (3750 year cycles)ago. These German SS officers like Einstein Oppenheimer, Goddard etc. who were rescued during WWII became the gods of American science for decades. Are they even Human? Shiver me timbers.


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      • 4Warnd 4Warnd

        Ontlogical, wrote: "These German SS officers like Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc…"

        "He [Einsten] renounced his German citizenship in 1896, when he was only sixteen…..Einstein’s fame brought him lectureships throughout the world; it also made him the focus of attacks in an increasingly anti-Semitic and militaristic Germany. Fearing for his safety, he and his wife, Elsa, immigrated to the United States on October 17, 1933 etc."

        http://immigrationinamerica.org/473-albert-einstein.html

        It really is breathtaking to see how easy it is for someone to throw another person, any person, let alone Einstein, under the bus.

        As for Oppenheimer, "He later met with the American Philosophical Society with a different attitude. Oppenheimer told them, “We have made a thing, a most terrible weapon, that has altered abruptly and profoundly the nature of the world . . . a thing that by all standards of the world we grew up in is an evil thing. And by so doing . . . we have raised again the question of whether science is good for man.” To Harry Truman, he stated, “Mr. President, I feel I have blood on my hands.”

        http://www.examiner.com/article/julius-robert-oppenheimer-father-of-the-atom-bomb


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      • 4Warnd 4Warnd

        And, bye the way, Oppenheimer was born in NYC to an American mother, and so was a citizen…with a complex history, indeed. Next time, please, do just a little research before firing off your gun.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Ontological, you need to do better research (o ANY research!) before you just spout off!!! Einstein and Oppenheimer were "SS officers"? You haven't a clue. You just made it up. Unacceptable. Take it back, and humbly. Nothing but taking it back will do.

        And I've also seen the profoundly disturbing Oppenheimer tape. My take on it is that IF (and I say "IF") an evil entity was somehow zooming around Oppenheimer, it was Oppenheimer trying, perhaps in vain, to shake free of the horror he himself had wrought. Like a "No!"

        Problem is, once you dance with devil, the devil is not going to let go of your hand that easily….

        For anyone who has seen a depiction of a "possession," even in sci-fi, the "host" is screaming the abominations of the demons in concert with that demon. Not convulsing their own head into a "No!" My instinct is that Oppenheimer was trying to shake what he felt was unshakeable. The man was shattered.

        If only a TEPCO executive, or a GE executive, or Shinzo Abe, or anyone else from that whole long list, would make the slightest move in the direction of Oppenheimer's "No!!!"


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        • 4Warnd 4Warnd

          We Not They Finally:

          Peace on that – mark on that! [was waiting if Anyone would, could second the post.]

          Also: there is no evil entity…… "We have met the enemy, and it HE is us." pogo's author.


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          • 4Warnd 4Warnd

            Also, what a clever fiction it is to think that "entities" outside ourselves are at our controlling point between fate and destiny.

            How silly, how tragic, how stupidly unscientific. period.

            Again, regretfully repeating: "WE HAVE MET OUR ENEMY AND IT IS US."

            POGO. look it up.


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      • VanneV VanneV

        Allah is the Arabic word for God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Hebrew word is Elohim. Allah is God, not a fallen angel.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    MELTDOWNS HAPPEN, NO MATTER WHAT . . .

    From quakes, human error, design flaws .. each meltdown being a complete surprise.

    Keeps happening because nuclear technology was (( not meant to be).


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  • J.

    Regarding energy that is safe from earthquakes, see Namoi Klein's recent article:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38211.htm

    In this — an attack on crisis capitalism and the shock doctrine — she points out this gem:

    "Thanks to the work of top researchers such as Mark Jacobson and his Stanford team, we know that the world can, by the year 2030, power itself entirely with renewables. And thanks to the latest, alarming reports from the IPCC, we know that doing so is now an existential imperative."

    That's something we need to pass on and post again and again and again. NPP=WMD=MAD. It has to end, and we have to opportunities to make it happen.

    Klein provides the link. Here it is:

    http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/sad1109Jaco5p.indd.pdf

    Pass it on, please.


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  • [Preramble]
    People are probably rightfully suspicious of statistics ("I only believe in statistics I fabricate myself." – Goebbels & requoted by Churchill, apparently), but, they forget that their own bank accounts are statistics, so it better be right.

    Any fool knows that "counting stuff up" has been around for a long time and is very useful to see if "real shit is happening". Thus the beauty of mathematics. Einstein knew that mc^2 = RSIH = E and the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki felt it, as a real rather than as a theoretical, vaporous or erroneous thing. So, Einstein, also a statistician, knew, and he didn't want any part of it.

    Anyway, Mangano's conclusions are worth looking at, and thinking about, given his credentials and courage along with Arnie and others in getting the hot particle and infant deaths on the West Coast messages out.

    "Radiation is in fact getting into people's bodies", Mangano maintains, "its getting in at higher amounts and we're seeing cancer rates go up."

    Skepticism Greets Study Claiming Radiation Threat from Diablo Canyon

    SLO County Public Health preparing official response to recent study.

    Keith Carls, KCOY Central Coast News Reporter, KeithCarls@kcoy.com
    POSTED: 04:44 PM PDT Apr 11, 2014
    UPDATED: 06:00 PM PDT Apr 11, 2014

    http://www.keyt.com/news/skepticism-greets-study-claiming-radiation-threat-from-diablo-canyon/25441010


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  • How Can A Radiation Exposure Victim Get 10 Million Dollars As Compensation For Health And Property Damage? via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/04/how-can-radiation-exposure-victim-get.html


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  • judo

    The Fukushima nuclear crisis was happening long before 9/11. The earthquake just exposed existing vulnerabilities that we Fukushima residents were already very much aware of. Cancer clusters of Leukaemia in Futaba were quietly spoken about. Government money and employment stifled any dissent. My young family was paid the equivalent of $250/ year by Tepco and the Japanese government so they could transport MOX plutonium through our neighbourhood under the cover of darkness. I personally witnessed the men in white suits with glow battens directing white trucks though our streets in the middle of the night laden with reprocessed nuclear fuel. I was lucky that my employment contract finished in March 2010 and I decided that I would like my children to grow up in a safer place so we left Fukushima. But my wife's family still live and grow rice just 45 kms from Fukushima Daichi.


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  • judo

    What irritates me is how this crisis gets amplified by self centred people on the other side of the Pacific. Remember whose government instigated the placement of nuclear technologies in the Japanese archipelago. Well now it's come back to haunt you. You are the only ones to blame and it is you alone who can change the world's perspective on Nuclear technology. If you want change then stop blaming everyone else. Look within and take decisive steps to ensure short sighted self absorbed people get what they deserve. Ostracise those who do not have our best interests at heart. Expose their lies and greed and free the rest of the world from your curse.


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    • Good word judo – curse.

      The weapon designed as a future threat to kill the enemy is killing both sides in the present.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      while your points well taken, judo, understand that the American people are not represented by the United States Federal government. That government has, for the last hundred years, only served what are now multinational interests. The U.S. government's only purpose is to maintain the facade of representative government, thereby ensuring itself against legal challenge. It is a fox who actions are deemed necessary to ensuring the safety of the hen house. The American people have no representative government. They're living under the oppressive boot of an international criminal syndicate. Any so-called 'freedoms' afforded are only allowed as means of fleshing-out ideological challenges, which only further the fine-tuning of strategies of control. Like the monarchies of old, global-wide corporations now reign supreme…


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      • Shaker1

        Respectfully, aftershock, it's pretty much been that way forever. The monarchies in general were no different, i.e. the 'power behind the throne'. What might have been minor exceptions, and then not for more than spans of time such as days or weeks, were sociopaths of the most ruthless nature. And, respectfully also, judo, admittedly not a student of Japan, but I don't much see Japan's history as being much different, again with exceptions. Hasn't it, also, been quite an example of factional rule with it's share of heroes in competition? As much as I agree with both sentiments, and in thinking might be characterized as a nascent anarchist once my thoughts are gathered, elucidated, and exposed in actual words, I find myself defaulting to independent actions that in themselves find others to become part of a faction which in itself might impress its will upon others. Oh, well…

        And what of democracy when participation barely reaches 60% in the best of circumstances, again with exceptions? Here in the US, we vote from our armchairs, only having to get off it for a walk to a mailbox, and still participation is dismal. I can only liken it to birds that can be flushed enmass into the nets for capture.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          brilliant response, Shaker1. I particularly value your highlighting "nascent anarchist" tendencies. IMO, your world view's become far-more pragmatic over these last few months. I join you in finding great difficulty in finding concrete solutions to the bigger issue of governance and justice. Guess, recognizing the quandary is a good first step towards sweeping away a dysfunctional past. Your presence and insights are very much valued by me. And I'm honored by your response. Thank you bro…


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          • Shaker1

            Thank you, aftershock. It's appreciated to feel welcome.

            My guess is that we might all do what I have done with what might seem an uncharateristic descision for me in commenting here, to do the gathering and elucidation and share our thoughts. I'm not one to 'belong' to groups but a small local leaderless group that is devoted to peace and justice. Like a lone gohper, I finally raised my head from the ground of my poetry, my books, and my music to open my mouth. Poetry starts with a word, music begins with a progression or theme, sculpture with a vision that hardly is its form without imagination. My hope is to add another word, to help resolve the progression, to contribute my humble imagination and materials to the sculpture I wish to appear. Might that sculpture be of justice without the blindfold?

            What does one do blindfolded but wander in the dark and restrict oneself to familiar, tested terrain?


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              your efforts, Shaker1, have earned far-more than a friendly welcome. You strive to cultivate the better part of your fellow species. You force people to reconcile passion with sanity. It's not easy getting others to think on their own logos. And while none of us is flawless in our analysis, at least you've the tenacity to keep us thinking on the more rational approaches to progress…


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              • We Not They Finally

                BOTH of you are doing a great job educating, and it is appreciated. And yes, all bad sides of this are true! Like if it's "only" a hundred years (dating back to the establishment of the federal reserve bank, privately owned) since being taken captive by multinational interests, then who were "the robber barons" leading up to it? 1912 was just when they finally got what they wanted!

                But some of the counterforces at work was surely our so-called revered "Founders." I don't think that they wanted this at all. I think that if they were here today, we would not recognize them, or they surely would not recognize us.

                But then again, Jesus returned (and not talking from a religious perspective at all) might not fare that well either. We'd probably be told that there some strange man causing a hostage crisis — and no one would even announce that the hostages were our own souls, or that he was here to save them, not steal them. Then the genuine demons would be secretly negotiating ransom while rubbing their hands in glee.

                NEVER expected the world to come to this!


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  appreciated, WNTF, more than you know. And you're so right about how Jesus would be received in our modern era. I used to think a lot on whether I'd have the courage to follow his lead. Now I think it's more a matter of taking something from him and following your own initiative. If enough of us just did a little each day, the combination of those tiny efforts would become a torrent of positive change. So don't ever let others get you down!!! Better to ascend a little angel, than descend a great demon.

                  Wonderful thoughts on your part…


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    • bo bo

      Judo – I don't understand what you mean by 'this crisis gets amplified by self centred people on the other side of the Pacific'

      Are you saying that people are over-reacting, and the people who warn about radiation dangers – they somehow deserve it ?

      I really hope not. :(

      The general usef of the word 'you' directed at 'Americans' makes it confusing.


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    • VanneV VanneV

      Japan had a nuclear weapons program during WWII before the end of the war.

      World War II: Japanese Nuclear Weapons/Genshi Bakudan Program
      http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/air/gas/nuc/w2-nucj.html

      And who is now selling nuclear technology around the world? There is Toshiba (Westinghouse) and Hitachi-GE and Mitsubishi is manufacturing nuclear parts–defective parts in the case of San Onofre NPP. Units 3 and 4 reactors of Fukushima were built by the Japanese. Since when is the Yakuza angelically pure?


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  • Don't mention 'atom' or 'radiation' in Japan!
    http://digitaljournal.com/science/only-one-japanese-elementary-textbook-to-mention-fukushima/article/380597

    "Five of the six textbook publishers attempted to tackle the issue of the triple meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi No. 1 nuclear power plant, and four publishers eventually gave up because they found it difficult to explain how a nuclear power plant works without using the word "atom."

    The editor of another textbook explained their difficulty in coming up with a reasonable explanation because, “We could not deal with the issue negatively when our textbook is used in some municipalities hosting a nuclear plant.”

    —-

    Seems they've got to the point where even speaking about it is somehow non-Japanese, starting with the kids.

    The official line is probably something like: It makes the lights go on, it's green and friendly, some people may die, but people die crossing the street, so what. Maybe we had a little accident up north but we'll fix it all up, no problem. The r-word, it'll go away if you smile a lot.


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  • And life (or slow death) goes on …

    Japan to keep using nuclear power despite Fukushima disaster
    By Agence France-Presse
    Friday, April 11, 2014 13:23 EDT
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/11/japan-to-keep-using-nuclear-power-despite-fukushima-disaster/


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  • judo

    Japan didn't decide to reinstate a nuclear economy. Wall Street did.


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  • name999 name999

    judo, the bottom line for most Americans is that we have little to no control in what US interests do
    whether it is here on American soil or abroad. The belief that US is a democracy has been
    completely deconstructed brick by brick.

    The international corporation pulls the strings in every world government now. The NWO =
    huge international corporations and this is what it looks like…environmental destruction everywhere. Violations of public trust, shipping life threatening material past houses in the dead of the night while the children sleep.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      double-plus good, name999. I always laugh when encountering the blame Americans mindset. Our cities are in shambles. Borders been overrun with criminal gangs. Small businesses are on the robes. Educational institutions are painfully inept. Law enforcement is hiding. Political representation convenes in the Cayman Islands. National defense is bleeding-out on foreign soil. Chaos reigns. And while we're told to hand-in our guns, candidates are bought-and-sold in corporate boardrooms. We have no who looks out for us. And we're to be blamed for so much top-down corruption. The average American seeks only peace and security for their offspring. Yet the elite continue cultivating the myth that it is the victim who's at blame…


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        typo: robes <– ropes. Oh what a difference a direction makes…


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      • We Not They Finally

        Respectfully, no one has told you to turn in your guns! Personally, I think that in the case of virtual arsenals, that would be a grand idea! But no one has done it.

        Yes, America has TERRIBLE problems. Just not looking to local gun owners to fix them. This is a CRAZY-VIOLENT country. There are 13,000 preventable gun homocides a year.

        I'm way more disturbed feeling like we are being asked to turn in our HUMANITY.


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        • We Not They Finally

          Hope you take this in the right spirit, Aftershock. Your heart always seems to be in the right place. But it's a violent country. It just is. And it is not GUNS that will fix anything. IMHO.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            agreed WNTF. Guns are what got us here. But I'll not stand idly by while these murderous trash continue running roughshod over us and the planet. Unlike them, I'm not filled with the fear of being held to account for past crimes. I sleep like a baby in the arms of a loving mother. If called-upon to protect that baby and mother, I'll not hesitate to do so. And none shall confuse me as to whether I'm obligated to do so. We all are…


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          won't become embroiled in such discussions, WNTF. If you recall, that's what put us at odds, long ago. I value our comradery far more than any single issue. So whether you like it or not, we're gonna be friends…


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    They call all this behavior.. progress!


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  • Sol Man

    The victims rarely, if ever, get the truth. Consider the innumerable worthless treaties given to the American Indians 1860-1890, when their extinction was nearly completed, the FED Act for the whole of the American People, the Gulf of Tonkin/Vietnam War disaster, the Iraq War, hope and change, the financial meltdown (war on the middle class complete with bailouts and perhaps bail-ins.) No truths from the lie machine.


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  • zogerke zogerke

    re judo, and name and aftershock….where i take responsibility as an american for the mess is micro: where i am an energy addict; where i have not changed my life to use less resources; cannot force my employer to recycle; forget to turn off lights, waste food; drive without planning use of gasoline; do not fully insulate…in short; where the small wastage of electricity and power and gas is what drives the entire system to continue…what if we all boycotted using electricity one day a week, except for refrigerator and life saving devices? what if we actually carpooled and rationed out own gas consumption? and really used city freecycles and did barter – and made it cool- and work? what if we actively as a life path tried to limit our participation in the grid? THAT might also make a difference, if many many many of us did that…an economic boycott of energy excess…


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      go ya' one better, zogerke. Get rid of the car and get a good bicycle. I did just that and I'm about to do a test ride on my latest upgrade to it. As we say in Italy…CIAO!!!


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      • zogerke zogerke

        aftershock, i wish. not all of us have the health or mobility for a bicycle. My occupational injuries have kept me off bikes for more than a decade.

        And post nuclear, of course. Save money? Send some in donations to ENENEWS!


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          hear ya' zogerke. I don't go into personal issues out here, but can say I'm in no better shape than most others. Just that I love my bike! Got rid of the car twelve years ago and been riding (ever so carefully) by bicycle since then. It's probably the only reason I'm not dead right now. I enjoy night riding around the neighborhood; use reflective vest, helmet and lots of LED lights. Nights quiet and less danger of cars. Have fun brother and stay in the light!


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          • zogerke zogerke

            must finally say to all, this brother is a …sister.
            yup. including all my times in tunnels, climbing bridges, driving trucks, building houses for refugees in south america, training about occupational safety, raising kids…and jail time, this brother is a sister.

            and, looking for a bike i can ride again. your words are inspiring, thanks.

            zogerke.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              get a "fatty", zogerke. If I wasn't so much into Mountain-Trail Bikes (MTB), or what were previously referred to as All Terrain Bikes (ATB), I'd be sport'n a fat tire bike. They're really old school (outta the fifties) and are safe and comfortable for touring about. Must advise, pedals are critical to safety. Helmets obviously a must. Aside from the professional riders, I'm one of the few people who wears a helmet. The bright vest ensures my success in a court of law. It's all about safety and following the rules. Shoot any questions you may have and I'll try to help.

              Sorry 'bout the gender thing. Now I can say "love you" and not get the strange look…love you!!!


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              • zogerke zogerke

                thanks aftershock! the boards were having some generally 'disrespectful weather' and 'storms' when i first started posting, it felt safer not revealing gender or much else….ENE forums have been much more respectful in general lately- & i REALLY appreciate it. (hear that admin? you rock- and so do we, the folks who post!)

                re specific bikes, thank you for your offer, though maybe i should take it 'off topic' so we stay on our thread….when i am ready to do more research and purchase i will remember and ask….


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            • Sparky Sparky

              @Z, I got the "sister" thing many posts ago but not all the personal–and impressive–life details. Funny how gender (and avatars) shape perception in cyberspace. I would love to hear more about your life story, and that of so many other ‘Newsers, in person over good food and drink. :-)

              Stock made me laugh with the “Dude” or “Dudess” distinction a while back and it’s always stuck with me. Well, from one Dudess to another, YOU dear Zogerke, are inspiring!

              What say you, ‘Newsers??? 8 p.m. sharp at “Dirty Waters” in San Francisco, some day in the near future before the West Coast becomes uninhabitable???

              "Table for 21,800+, please." ;-)


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    • We Not They Finally

      Well, Americans are reckless children at heart. It would take something very major to change that. But it will have to change — I just fear drastically, and with no preparation. Well, we'll see.


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    • What if we did all that, and saved a lot of money? Then we spent that money on some other consumption, like going on a cruise? IMHO, we just undid all the previous good.

      We actually have to consume less, in TOTAL.


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  • Nick

    It's amazing that because everyone has smart phones, humans are getting stupider, less able to see the world and others around them.

    The disaster at Fukushima is a culmination of greed and hubris by both the Japanese and the Americans.

    We bombed the island with napalm before the atomic blasts. Then we rebuilt the Japanese economy with our nuclear "expertise.", siphoning off chunks of superb bomb grade plutonium at the same time.
    As if we never really ended the war, neither side.

    Now the fruits of that hatred, the racial isolationism of feudal Japan and the revengevle wrath after Pearl Harbor.

    To understand how war distorts all reaso, look at the Doolittle raid. It was a puny exercise but caused huge anguish in the Japanese military. who then went into China and slaughtered 100s of 1000s of civilians, angry at them for helping the grounded flyers.

    Yet, despite the size of the Doolittle raid. it had a HUGE impct on the USA's moral.

    I cannot seperate Fukushima from the fabric of warfare, it is a blanket that threatens to smother us all.

    Time for us to throw off the shackles of war and seek the truth within each of us.

    Wish we had time to do that.


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  • name999 name999

    nick, that may well be all we have time for…


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