Published: June 6th, 2011 at 4:11 pm ET
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Fukushima: Twice As Bad As Thought, Time.com by Eben Harrell Monday, June 6, 2011:
One recurring theme that has emerged after Fukushima is the tendency of nuclear experts to underestimate (publicly at least) the severity of the disaster. Today we received further proof of this when the Japanese government more than doubled the estimate for the amount of radiation released from the plant in the immediate aftermath of the crisis in March.
Government watchdog The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency also said that the meltdowns of the plant’s reactor cores–at least one of which we now know suffered a total meltdown—happened much more quickly than Tepco has previously suggested, making it clear that the plant operators’ desperate attempts to cool the reactors by dumping sea water on them were largely unsuccessful.
According to news reports, NISA now estimates the total amount of radiation released into the atmosphere in the first week of the crisis at 770,000 terabecquerels. This compares with NISA’s previous estimate, released on April 12, of 370,000 terabecquerels for the first month of the crisis. [...]
Published: June 6th, 2011 at 4:11 pm ET
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IAEA whitewashes worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jun2011/fuku-j04.shtml
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Camera was shaking a lot about 15 min ago.
Now, off to the USGS site to check for earthquakes – although they have a delay, so who knows …
Update time = Mon Jun 6 20:11:45 UTC 2011
MAG UTC DATE-TIME
y/m/d h:m:s LAT
deg LON
deg DEPTH
km Region
MAP 5.0 2011/06/05 21:09:56 -43.570 172.391 3.8 SOUTH ISLAND OF NEW ZEALAND
MAP 5.1 2011/06/05 16:55:51 -14.984 -177.861 10.0 FIJI REGION
MAP 5.8 2011/06/05 16:35:04 -15.080 -177.934 10.0 FIJI REGION
MAP 6.3 2011/06/05 11:51:12 -55.944 146.588 10.0 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
MAP 5.4 2011/06/05 10:25:17 -35.045 -71.697 45.5 MAULE, CHILE
MAP 5.4 2011/06/05 07:02:09 -3.736 152.085 9.3 NEW IRELAND REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
MAP 5.2 2011/06/05 00:16:46 12.661 144.411 50.2 GUAM REGION
I therefore conclude either:
i) Rocky the Raccoon was adjusting the camera
ii) the wind was blowing it
iii) a TEPCO contract worker fell against it while clutching his throat and falling to the ground writing in pain
iv) a massive underground explosion (no steam)
Or, just a regular day in Paradise …
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Could have been Rocky climbing the support pole, or birds moving about on top of the camera, but the camera shake that I picked up that coincided with the recent Honshu 6.3 EQ was an ongoing shake lasting maybe 30-60 seconds, indicating something more than a one-strike event on the camera and support.
But you’re going to USGS right after seeing the shake and waiting 3-4 minutes for the confirmation is best; took me 30 or so minutes before I checked and confirmed what the cause of the shaking had been.
The camera mount is probably a pole, as opposed to a tripod, and may be acting as the ‘inverted pendulum’ that sends the P-Wave warning on the quake detector mounted on a wall stud in my CA home 10 miles from the San Andreas fault.
I hope TemporaryCo doesn’t decide to suppress the camera EQ warning device using a different mount, in line with all their other info suppression techniques.
If all viewers/bloggers would follow the USGS check after prolonged camera shake as did you we could add some breaking news to the site.
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“…your going to USGS…”
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I had a nice lunch with a very bright young lad (he had just come back from a trip to San Fran for Google I/O) this morning next to a computer. I showed him some things that are happening at Fukushima, things getting worse there, gov. cover ups, etc. He had NO idea. This is a person well read on all things techy online.
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Officerdave,
scary, isn´t it? A friend of mine said today:”You know what, they´re planting sunflowers to clean the area from radiation, isn´t that cool? So they don´t have to use chemicals, it´s all natural!!”
Made me laugh and cry at the same time.
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Everyone smiles as you drift past the (mutated) flowers that grow so incredibly high
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How will they dispose of the radioactive sunflowers, they can not burn them and send them into the air ?
I wonder if eating sunflowers seeds will absorb radiation from the intestinal track ?
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Ya gotta make hay when the sunhines. People are busy. Problem is they defend it and tell we truth seeking bloggers to get a life.
So easily controlled species, indeed.
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Thats the thing about this that I think bothers me the most. Without enenews and a few conspiracy theory websites, NO ONE would know about Fukushima radiation or its effect on the rest of us. I’m in Oregon and am pretty sure my family and I have gotten zapped pretty good, especially the last half of March.
MSM = The best news money can buy.
US Govt = The best politicans money can buy.
My friends and most of my family = a hybrid strain of ostrisheep….easily fooled, head in sand.
I admit there is not an awful lot we can do about the radiation, but God damn it, we do have the right to know.
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Amen. Amen. I say we all settle in New Zealand help people from there ASAP. Set up foreign exchange like program to get kids outta northern japan for at least a school year ASAP.
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Amin/moderator – News flash – enenews is under attack from trolls – please establish a registered forum here as soon as possible…this site is too valuable to lose so quickly. DO something!
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I second that motion. Seriously, its outta hand.
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3rd that motion! They are sick muthers aren’t they? Wow!
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Mommie didn´t love them, I guess…this is boring.
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5th by the way
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4th
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seems sensible,
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Looks like we have a login system. Well done admin! Thanks.
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FUKUSHIMA CAN BE CLEANED UP..
ALL THE RADWASTE CAN BE FLUSHED INTO DEEP DRILLED WELLS 100 MILES EAST OF THE DISASTER SITE..
STEP #1: A Transocean SemiSub Oil-Drill Rig can be set up offshore at the top of the slope leading into the deep Japan Trench directly over the tectonic subduction zone.
Step #2: The breakwater lagoon needs to be doubled with a secondary seawall and massive zeolite-boron sandbags added.
Step #3: The reactors really do need to be covered with tents and suctioned with slight negative pressure, the massive air-volumes can be scrubbed inside pneumatic tent-arches floating inside the breakwater lagoon. — The lagoon is used for temporary radwaste impoundment.
Step #4: The massive LeftCoast Lifter bargecrane can be used inside the breakwater to demolish the powerplant. Solid scrap can be washed off inside the lagoon and sorted for risk.
Step#5: Several 63″ HDPE-pipe outfall dredge pipes can be easily connected to the Transocean drill-rig offshore. All the liquid radwaste mudsands can be injected into deep subduction wells. Bigger solids can be screened out and dropped thru vertical HDPE-pipe tucked into bottom of ocean trench under geomembrane cover, capped with burial later.
THIS WOULD BE THE WORLDS LARGEST HYDRAULIC MINING OPERATION… eventually leaving big harbor bay where the powerplant was, and 500 square miles of bare washed sand and gravel inland.
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Bullshit. AN idea, but some sort of managability is needed, first.
When you drill, are there just openings in the crust of the earth to dump shit into?
Step one, you drill to hope to find something valuable to pressure its way to the top.
Step two, you find in the void with the relative volume back into the void, when needed.
Step three, you might as try to find a way to send into space , than this method without physics.
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You can NOT deposit the radioactive water in deep wells 100 miles east of the site. This is a seismically active area and the well would have a good chance of rupturing during an earthquake and release the deposited radioactive water!
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Glad you got a screen up. There aren’t a lot of sites where we can get current info about what’s happening. It’s horrifying to hear the news. Watching CNN, you’d think all that is going on in the world is a confession from Congressman Weiner. sigh
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whoops, previous comment, wrong thread.
I did want to comment on your irreverent username. It seems like you have a legitimate point. Why are you trying to discredit 21st Century?
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I suggest you stay out of airplanes..
Before Wright Brothers 99.99% of people said it will NEVER work.
Scientists have been studying offshore geologic subduction deposit of radwaste for many decades.. many whitepapers have been published with the same spectrum of conclusions as all other radwaste disposal schemes. By their very nature, offshore subduction zones are seismically active. It takes a cook to know how to make a sandwich that you can eat without getting mayo&mustard all over your hands.. the mayo&mustard is applied to the inside of the bread.. an experienced oil&mining engineer can inject megatons of already wet dredge-spoil radwaste into offshore subduction sandwich using new horizontal directional drilling technologies much more effectively than any other method of large liquid waste disposal currently available.
In natural seawater the deuterium/hydrogen ratio is 1:6800 .. have you ever been swimming in the ocean?? If so, I think you’re gonna DIE !!!
This nuke-material was originally mined out of the earth, and it can safely go back into the earth… the trouble with the global nuclear industry and most of the oil&mine industry is these industries are operated by sloppy drunken idiot a$$holes.
Skill and experience makes the difference when functioning in a world full of calculated risk.
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Well, if Hebrew school taught me anything, it’s that the best way to deal with a holocaust is humor…
so without further delay, The Quiz Broadcast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7kSm9cVIjQ
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shockingly funny……
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I believe that this is a WordPress board. Here is a page from their website that lists some of the measures that admins can implement to eliminate troll (and automated) attacks. I hope that the ADMIN is considering these options.
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php?q=trolls&sort=
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***NICE*** find.
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Most of people will compare the 770000 teraBecquerel with the 5 millions+ teraBecquerel of Tchernobyl and say that it is ok.
What I want to know is how much is leaking NOW. Little by little, we get a rough idea of what happened in the first weeks of the crisis. But it seems that radioactivity is piling up month after month…
And they may have rejected much much more in the Pacific.
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well, i guess the truth is slowly dripping out…
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This is very nice, hope it works. This is a very informative site and trolls were getting to be too much.
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Record Radiation Levels – 4,000,000 Microsieverts Per Hour — Found Venting From Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant
A robot measuring radiation in the Fukushima nuclear power plant, where 3 full-blown nuclear meltdowns are underway detected the highest levels of radiation yet – topping over 4,000,000 microsieverts per hour – a level so high it is 100% lethal within 1.5 hours of exposure.
TEPCO reports that the extreme levels of radiation were found in steam rising from a vent inside the nuclear reactor which is the same radioactive steam that can be seen being released into the atmosphere from the Fukushima live high-definition webcam. As I previously reported, levels were detected at the plant in excess of 1,000,00 microsieverts per hour after the breakout of a massive fire at the Fukushima reactor which was ignored by the corporate media.
For conversion purposes, 4,000,000 microsieverts per hour is equal to 4,000 millisieverts or 4 sieverts per hour. A 4 sievert dose of radiation is deterministically known to cause death to 50% of people to exposed. A 6 sievert dose deterministically causes death in 100% of people.
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Does this mean that it is really 8 sieverts? Keeping with the times 2 Tepco reality formula.
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I think this article bothers me the most so far.
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I have been doing some calculations on the safe height above the “pit” for a helicopter pilot (unshielded for gamma)to hover above the incident (as might be required to sling load in lead sheeting or concrete). The pilot could fly at 100 feet above the source for up to one hour per day while being exposed to a sub-clinical level of gamma radiation.
Not a good thing, for certain, but certainly managable in a crisis.
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With today’s drone technology, a pilot should not be needed at all except remotely.
So the question becomes; Why are drones not in dumping stuff on these thing right now?
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Many thanks to the ADMIN for implementing logon verification!!!
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+1!
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Yes Indeed! Thank You.
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Definately.
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thank you black moon for ‘wordpress’ suggestion
and
thank you admin for implementation
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It was terrible to find an impostor and chase yourself saying Wasn’t Me Folks !
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+1
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Thanks from me too. This is a relief. Hopefully someone will tell Cassie to come back now. And maybe Mothra and Emmy will start posting more again.
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Yes, Glad it’s fixed. THANK YOU !!
I’m a moderator on another website, and it does get crazy sometimes, we had to block the visitor section completely, noe it’s all password protected..
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this is bad for everybody, yes, but this revelation SHOULD have the japanese even more mad than they were before (if they were at all). i mean, yeah, we will all be affected by this, but japan is getting hit harder then we ever will be, and the japanese are left to suffer because of the liars that are tepco and their government. they need to take action, their lives depend on it.
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WOW thankyou! admin so much! i was really sad to think that could be our tax dollors at work, but it probably was.
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Fukie Rad & Forecast
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/news/fukushima?VAR=radiationoveraccu
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“…a serious accident is not just likely but inevitable.”
http://www.beyondnuclear.org/radioactive-waste-whatsnew/2011/5/30/a-serious-accident-is-not-just-likely-but-inevitable.html
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reminds me of Kei Sugaoka the GE / Tepco Whistleblower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBjiLaVOsI4&feature=player_embedded#at=101
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That’s a very informative (and disturbing) link Anthony, ty.
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For those of you who have been following the diary of Alex and his fmaily living in Tokyo, apparently he is still in Japan. Here is his latest vid (an old vid with updated annotation info)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0BvJ64K15M&feature=channel_video_title
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thank you black moon, it was good to hear from Alex ….. as he says, we don’t have a choice….. it has been made by others for us, all we have to do is find the guts to make the change needed……
thinking of the frying 4.000 millisievert/hour steam…..from only one reactor x 24h/day x 3 months x how many reactors ? …..this is to enormous …The European limit is 2 microSv/h or 0.0002 milliSv/h……..working there for 4 min exposure will reach the yearly limit of 250 milliSv/year
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Fairewinds’ chief engineer Arnie Gundersen emphasizes the need to enlarge evacuation zones around US nuclear plants to 50 miles. Reducing US evacuation zones to only 10 miles during a nuclear power accident compromises public safety
http://www.fairewinds.com/updates
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i really like what arnie and his wife have been doing…but i suspect theyve been warned off discussing japan….just an observation…if true, it does not bode well for the japanese people…however, will the next disaster be in USA, with all the weather chaos thats been happening?….maybe thats why hes shifted his focus?
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Thanks for link can’t understand Japanese but Mr Sugaoka’s english is enough to get the picture. Japanese and American people I’ve met are all pretty cool but its these High Level Executive types playing fast and loose with our lives they are the evil criminals of the world.
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As lovely Dr.Helen Caldicott said: The nuclear power & weapons industry has always been a closed club of men who love power and big explosive capacity. No thought has been given to the consequences of these things when they go boom in the night. Even now, after all of the damage down the years, they don’t seem repentant
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San Onofre Nuclear Facility Experiences Fifth Spill in 25 Months
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/site/node/9031
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Dr Helen Caldicott: One of the earliest warnings about food safety from CRIIRAD, a french independent testing facility. This article was from April 7, but as the situation continues not much has changed for the better. Remember that it does not take into account information revealed later one way or the other.The issues they discuss concern other European countries, as well. They also concern the US, especially Hawaii & the West Coast.
http://www.criirad.org/actualites/dossier2011/japon/risks_in_France_v4.pdf
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Dr. Caldicott has been a role model for anti-nuke activists for decades. She is truly the goddess of the anti-nuke movement. Her stark warnings are sadly being realized today.
I sat in the audience when she recorded her captivating speech that was captured in the Academy Award-winning Canadian Film Board “propaganda” documentary, or so the US Justice Dept determined her message to be. sigh
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These values have to be put into context for any real sensemaking…
First…770,000 terabecqurels is equal to 7.7X10E17 becqurels….the amount of radiation (energy) released during week one of the incident. OK so what can we compare that value to to appreciate its significance? One point of comparison might be the Hiroshima A-bomb (1945. This bomb produced 8 X10E24 becqurels on detonation. Thats 10,000,0000 times as much radiation. On that basis, it would take over 192,000 years for the Fukushima reactor to yield as much radiation…no comparison!
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You’ll be taking your next holiday there then, I guess?… maybe grab a shovel and put in a few hours burying some of the debris from R3, a gesture of good will from someone who sees through all the irrational hype. Good to see you have a positive outlook on the crisis. No kids, I presume?
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Steven
I volunteered to assist the Incident Command System for this event. I would not hesitate to assist the Japanese in the performance of this emergency response. Btw, it would not it be my first “rodeo” when it comes to radioactive hazardous materials incident response. The situation in Fukushima isn’t good, but it needs to be understood in its realistic perspective. There are too many people terrified by this event and their fear is leading to real and untoward health effects….that’s the root of my concern as it relates to this website.
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did your offer get taken up? at the moment they are recruiting pensioners i believe…if they did not accept your very brave offer, why not? i commented below on your point about energy released and was wondering if you might respond to the vaporisation of particulates in an atomic explosion..could this be why people can live in hiroshima and nagasaki but not chernobyll\pipryat..awaitng your responce with anticipation..thanks
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Vapor..is not the same as disappearing…in physical science NOTHING disappears.
I don’t believe that a vaporisation by explosion of radioactive particles is a GOOD thing.
I did not read all of Dr wolf..as he began with reading from the EPA.
they live on near Chernobyll..due to the fact they ARE DYING SLOWLY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor
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Great questions. As far as I know there are no Americans involved in the Incident Command System (or its Japanese equivalent) for the Fukushima accident. And I have no problem with that. BTW I am no fan of EPA, basically they are too political…Enough said. Ultimately you can not assess the environmental impact of Fukushima or Chernobyl by terrabecqs generated…the focus should be on the suite of nuclides released, the amount of each released,the half life and acivity…Radioactive Gases, Vapors (or fumes of metallic isotopes), and dust sized particles can be advected by the atmosphere… ultimately settling out or being removed by precipitation. Obviously this can result in contaminated soil, plants, groundwater etc. Low to moderate levels of contamination over localized areas can be remediated, however when the footprint becomes large (360,000 acres of farmland and 1.2M acres of forest around Chernobyl) the cost of remediation is so high as to make evacuation of the exposed population and waiting out the decay a viable alternative.
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This is uncontrolled nuclear fission…it GROWS.
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where are the vapours, are they as dangerous as particulates, my comment with the word good probaly should have been the word better…just trying to get my head around the scientific points raised…if you create alot of energy from something does that change the chemical\radiological status of the particulates\vapour…peace
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It inaccurate and misleading not to compare the two events when the metric used is the same. Perhaps it is the measure (terabecqs) that is an inapproprate metric for the Fukushima event…
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…thats 10,000,000 (ten million) times as much radiation…”
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If you really believe that after all the lies and failures to reveal information by TEPCO and ‘the authorities’ since this thing kicked off, that a new estimate based on damage to the plant – made in consideration, no doubt, of TEPCO’s assessment that the R3 explosion was caused by hydrogen and that R3 SPF and RPV are largely intact – would be even remotely accurate then you are a perfect candidate to join in the cleanup.
It seems that you are in some way involved in the industry; clearly then you will know more than I. Tell me then, what level of risk of poor health/death do you consider acceptable for myself and my children? Or does a small nuclear accident not reach as far as a large one?
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I don’t consider any level of involuntary risk acceptable.
However I find it very interesting that 43% of Americans will contract some form of cancer in their lives. Of this cohort, over 97% of the cancers will be associated with voluntary exposure pathways including smoking, sexual practices, red meat, nitrites in food, benzo-a-pyrene in grilled meat, and naturally occuring epoxides in foods…but such risks are voluntary and system failures are involuntary and thus seem random and unfair…
Don’t assume I am part of the nuclear industry, I am not. I have significant education and specialized training that relates directly to Normal Accidents involving High Risk-High Consequence Systems involving hazardous substances of all kinds. You can find some of my work through Google Scholar…if you are so inclined.
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How did you ever arrive at the number “over 97% of the cancers will be associated with voluntary exposure pathways”? Are you really saying that less than 3% of cancers are due to the environment, e.g., pesticides, nuclear radiation, radiation from the sun, dioxins, second-hand smoke, etc.?
Is this supposed to be a non-prejudicial assessment of our environment?
Who is paying your salary?
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In your opinion, how many have died as a result of the nuclear accident at Chernobyl since the date of the accident up until today? Whose figures are you quoting?
Since you gave such very precise percentages for both cancer causes and measurements of radiation released, whose statistics are you basing your facts on?
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By the way my typo error-my bad…that should be 57-60 % of cancers not 97%…a significant difference!
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Your estimate is still way too high for voluntary exposure pathways. The following study found that 57% of leukemia and cancer deaths among survivors (not counting those who died from the explosions) were caused by radiation.
“Another study states that from 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs” (^ “Frequently Asked Questions #2″. Radiation Effects Research Foundation.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
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different types of isotopes and radiation being released. it is inaccurate and misleading to compare the two.
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Be more specific…uncontrolled fission it grows…are you implying criticality???
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Thats why Becqs are used to compare the strength of an emission source…hey I didn’t measure the source stregth in becqs…I am just providing a point of comparison… energy source to energy source basis using the same units…
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DRFWolf,
What is your source for the number of becqurels produced on detonation by the Hiroshima A-bomb (1945)? Could you please give us a citation for this information?
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DRFWolf,
Who in Japan in 1945 had any instrumentation to measure radiation from the bomb in Hiroshima? For that matter, who in the US had the instruments to measure radiation caused by a detonation?
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You are really comparing apples to oranges. The accident at Fukushima is in no way over as the bomb on Hiroshima was after the detonation.
How about another apples to oranges comparison: the actual amount of fuel (ignoring for the moment the differences in fuels, e.g., MOX was not in the atomic bomb in 1945).
“Little Boy” was the codename of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima
Approximately 600 to 860 milligrams of matter in the bomb was converted into the active energy of heat and radiation (see mass-energy equivalence for detail)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy
If you compare the amount of fuel in this bomb with the amounts of fuel rods in the first four reactors at Fukushima Daiichi and spent fuel pools, plus all the other reactors at Daiichi and other plants that are in trouble and releasing radiation, there is no way your figures in any way represent the truth.
I would suspect that your name Wolf was chosen to be metaphorical.
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That BBC is quick as lightning:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13678627
Japan doubles Fukushima radiation leak estimate
[Shortened by moderator for fair use purposes; See above link for full text of article]
Although the amount is just 15% of the total released at Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986 – the world’s worst nuclear disaster – it suggests the contamination of the area around the plant is worse than first thought, says the BBC’s Roland Buerk in Tokyo.
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if you notice this article was led by the mail 17 hrs approx before…bloody tabloids….well done the the daily mail!!…forcing the bbcs hand…there is going to be alot of finger pointing when the british public find out how well theve been duped over this!!! hope your listening bbc!! currently if you go to the bbc site it posits that tepco will make their deadline for january…and
“The main story is well established. At 14:46 local time on 11 March, a magnitude 9 earthquake struck off Japan’s north-east coast.
The 11 operating nuclear power reactors in the region all “tripped” as designed (the nuclear fission process was stopped).”
oh and this
“This is to prevent damage to the fuel rods, and to the containment around the reactor – the thick steel pressure vessel and the surrounding concrete structure designed to keep fissile material isolated from the outside world in all circumstances”
and we might as well put this in,,
alien lifeform attends royal wedding!!!
just a bit of humour there as it beats a tumour here!!!
come on bbc!! get real!! think of all those readers cancelling their tv licences, loss of revenue (the spector of RT, AL JAZEERA, HUFF POST (COMMENTS SECTION) AND SOME GEEZERS DOWN THE PUB!!! caps off\sarcasm off\real journalistic proffesionalism off\
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CNN reporting a meltdown may be underway at Fukushima
March 12th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/cnn-reporting-a-meltdown-may-be-underway-at-fukushima
Caesium indicates we have gotten to the point of meltdown says nuclear expert on CNN
March 12th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/expert-cnn-caesium-indicates-gotten-point-meltdown
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We are assuming that a meltdown has occurred at No. 1 AND No. 3: Cabinet Minister
March 12th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/we-are-assuming-that-a-meltdown-has-occurred-at-no-1-and-no-3-cabinet-minister
Explosion at Fukushima could only have been caused by a meltdown of reactor core: Government Agency
March 12th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/explosion-fukushima-1-could-only-caused-meltdown-reactor-core-govt-agency
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Yes..and Reactor 4 is toast..
Any news about Fukushima II?
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Heart of the Rose
I am linking to the oldest articles In days after quake/tsunami before the truths were being suppressed from the press, before the information seemly had controllers stepped in and suppressed inf.
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@xdrfox..Yes.. I see ..seems it’s needed.
People need to know that for some of us this data has been known and a scientific consensus built.
It’s getting late for debate.
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xdrfox thanks for this.
the posts show a lot of information was around in the 5 days after the event.then we had the most complete clamp down in media history.
i assume all the techniques we have seen are from lessons learned after the bp crisis.
by clamping down in this way obama now has 0 pressure connected to the japan meltdown.the problem does not exist.
as obama said months ago i will keep the american people informed you should know what i know.
so we have heard nothing from the us messiah so must mean that he thinks everything is cool.
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@ tony wilson
nough said ! Seeing how they work !
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@xdrfox..Have you been watching the E-Coli outbreak in Germany?
Today Germany promised to cooperate with the US in Libya.. Something seems weird …somehow.
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/ecoli-outbreak-in-europe-is-biowar.html
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Very ! That means they will never find the source !
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@ Heart of the Rose
Merkel Escapes CIA Assassination After She Refuses To Attack Libya
by TheTotalCollapse.com on March 23, 2011
A shocking report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) states that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) attempted to assassinate German Chancellor Angela Merkel this past week after her refusal to allow Germany to participate in any military actions against Libya.
http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/merkel-escapes-cia-assassination-after-she-refuses-to-attack-libya/
Clinton in talks to end Qadhafi rule
By MJ LEE | 04/14/11
Before a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the secretary of state said the United States is committed to NATO’s mission in Libya. “We are also sharing the same goal, which is to see the end of the Qadhafi regime in Libya,” Clinton said. “And we are contributing in many ways in order to see that goal realized.”
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0411/meanwhile_in_berlin_748c4d4b-1c57-4b64-a592-aa372e550ca3.html
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Japan doubles Fukushima radiation leak estimate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13678627
Japan has more than doubled its estimate of radiation that escaped from the tsunami-hit Fukushima nuclear plant in the first week after the disaster.
Japan’s nuclear safety agency also said meltdowns took place in three reactors more quickly than earlier believed.
The assessment comes as an expert panel begins an inquiry into the crisis.
The plant’s operator is hoping to shut down the facility by January, although there is concern it may take longer; the plant is still leaking radiation.
The 11 March earthquake and the tsunami it generated are now known to have killed more than 15,350 people, while nearly 8,200 remain unaccounted for.
Brace for criticism
Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (Nisa) now says 770,000 terabecquerels escaped into the atmosphere – more than double its earlier estimate of 370,000 terabecquerels.
Although the amount is just 15% of the total released at Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986 – the world’s worst nuclear disaster – it suggests the contamination of the area around the plant is worse than first thought, says the BBC’s Roland Buerk in Tokyo.
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I thought some isotopes would stick around for thousands of years? This article talks as if they’ll just wait it out a few years:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/307506
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Didn’t they raise this to a 7 because it was 10% Chernobyl? So how does double the radiation make it now 15%?
Thanks DRFWolf, I’ve been trying (and failing) to get an estimation of how much radiation has ALREADY been dumped on the world by nuclear atmospheric tests in order to make a comparison.
This video is well worth watching from start to finish.
http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isao-hashimoto/
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its well passed chernobyl…
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@taco
what do you make of drfwolf comments above about the amount of energy released? does this take into account particulates? why are people now living in hiroshima and not chernobyl? when will people be able to return to the daiichi area? i think his points require some clarification for the less scientific amongst us…anyone else got any feedback on this??
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drwolfe is smart, but I have the feeling he too is downplaying the current events in fukushima…
The hiroshima bomb only had a small 3-10 kilotons of nuclear fuel. When you think of nuclear fuel in fukushima…:
hiroshima is just one small car… say a volkswagon bug…
Fukushima is the entire volkswagon fortune 500 company. And every car in every lot… (thats just a mental projection)…
When a nuclear bomb is detonated, much of the radiation and destructive elements such as plutonium is quite literally vaporized, leaving a completely destroyed city in its wake… Though the actual isotope release is nothing in comparison to what happens when a nuclear reactor is detonated…
When a nuclear reactor melts down, the ionizing radiation is released in several types of emmitters, most commonly are alpha beta and gamma…
these emitters, cause cells in your body to damage… (cancer). this is because… they are super heated, and release radiotoxic waves inside your body when ingested, and can even burn your skin off if heated particles, are in contact with your body…
These waves will damage you for the rest of your life, or in respect to the halflife of the substances…
A nuclear bomb can indeed wipe out a city…
A nuclear meltdown, given the amount of fuel could leave radioactive particles in such massive quantities, to
contaminate everything on the planet…
Only the cockroaches would survive…
Daichii is forever contaminated…
In respect to his comments, they look like very informed paid scripts, I try not to read what makes me feel stupid.
The radiation has already been reported to have been released in greater quantities, than that of chernobyl.
I would like to assume he is trying to be helpful. Though he truly is misinformed as to the actual threat of the current crisis in fukushima.
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Nuclear plant designer: Tokyo “supressing information” — Serious meltdown “highly likely”
March 13th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/nuclear-plant-designer-serious-meltdown-highly-many-reactors-area-be-many-chernobyls
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Deadly atomic cloud poised to spread death and misery across country — US experts fear upgrade to level 7, same as Chernobyl
March 16th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/deadly-atomic-cloud-poised-spread-death-misery-across-country-experts-fear-upgrade-level-7-same-chernobyl
Expert: Nuclear radiation could spread to U.S. — At least 3 nuclear facilities at risk
March 13th, 2011
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/expert-nuclear-radiation-could-spread-3-nuclear-facilities-risk
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good points.. thanks!
just one thing cockroaches are suceptable to radiation more than is claimed…one of my favourite insects the humble ant has a much higher resiliance to radiation!! lucky ants!
as to his main point that more energy is released, that is a good thing as it vaporises the particles. interesting point…
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and a near mess a bit closer to home
DUANE ARNOLD – INVALID PRIMARY CONTAINMENT ISOLATION SYSTEM ACTUATION DUE TO A FAILED RELAY COIL
Did you ever have this happen on the simulator and say to yourself, this never happens…
“This 60-day telephone notification is being made under reporting requirements specified by 10CFR50.73 (a)(2)(iv)(A) to describe an invalid actuation of a containment isolation signal affecting more than one system
There were no safety consequences or impacts on the health and safety of the public. The event was entered into DAEC’s corrective action program for resolution.”
They do love us ….
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PROFESSIONAL REACTOR OPERATOR SOCIETY
Annual Meeting June 2011
Tags: Meetings
PROS in the New Nuclear Age
Omaha, Nebraska June 6 – 8, 2011
The title says it all …non repenting
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http://www.nucpros.com/content/annual-meeting-june-2011
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Tony Wilson,
Obama is a puppet. During the nominating process, then Senator Clinton talked about the assassination of Robert Kennedy. This was interpreted by some as a warning to Obama that he has to do what he is told by the world shadow government or he will be assassinated. We only get actors as presidents. You really can’t know what Obama feels about anything or if he even feels at all or knows anything about what is going on. In one of his debates before being nominated, Obama said that he wouldn’t be handling the everyday nuts and bolts of governing. He is living up to his promise.
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