Fukushima Unit 3 steaming again, third time in a week — Asahi: High radiation levels detected near where it was observed — Tepco does not know where it’s coming from (PHOTOS)

Published: July 24th, 2013 at 12:37 pm ET
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AFP, July 24, 2013: [...] Today, TEPCO said workers had noticed steam around the fifth floor of the building housing Reactor Number 3, which was wrecked by the tsunami of March 2011. It was the second time in two days and the third time in a week that steam had been observed. The firm has said there has been no increase in the amount of radioactive material being released, although it does not know where the steam is coming from.

TEPCO, July 24, 2013: Steam Found Near the Central Part of the Fifth Floor (Equipment Storage Pool Side) of Unit 3 Reactor Building at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (Follow-up Information 12) [...] This is a follow-up report on the statuses of steam found wafting through the air near the central part of the fifth floor (equipment storage pool side) of Unit 3 on July 18. At around 4:15 AM today (July 24), we found steam coming from near the central part of the fifth floor (equipment storage pool side) of Unit 3 by a camera. [...]

Asahi, July 24, 2013: High levels of radiation were detected near an area where steam was spotted July 23 at the No. 3 reactor building of the stricken Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co., the plant operator, said. TEPCO gave a measurement of 562 millisieverts per hour. The Nuclear Regulation Authority, the government’s nuclear industry watchdog, instructed TEPCO to investigate further because the dose level is high. [...]

See infrared images of Reactor 3 from July 24 here

Published: July 24th, 2013 at 12:37 pm ET
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110 comments to Fukushima Unit 3 steaming again, third time in a week — Asahi: High radiation levels detected near where it was observed — Tepco does not know where it’s coming from (PHOTOS)

  • lickerface lickerface

    The title is misleading. Tepco's followup says they know where the steam is coming from. Fifth floor of Unit 3.


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    • lickerface lickerface

      The images in the PDF show the steam coming from the reactor well. Nobody mentioned that, and they may be purposefully redirecting focus by saying "equipment storage pool side" (which sounds less menacing).


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      • Teddi Teddi

        Isn't there satellite imaging capable of showing the leaking radiation into the Pacific ?

        If when can tell what the mix of missiles being carried in a ships VLS (Vertical Launching System) is due to their nuke signature, can't we gain an image of the leaks ?


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        • My Sat Data shows where and what it's done.. just look at the salinity pics. The rads bind to the salt and it sinks.

          It's giving a rather clear picture, if not showing what water is radioactive and what's not.

          The temperature one only show so much.. until it goes stable with the normal water temps.

          They have in-water equipment… they don't let us have that data.. and so we are bit half-blinded. The radiation stuff I do, air-wise… shows what's going on clear as day, though.


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        • Neutron detectors can easily see fission happening and also get an estimate of how large the reaction is, second by second.

          All this blather about them not knowing anything is pure lies.

          If they wanted to know, they could know, in a matter of minutes.

          A neutron detector may even be on the Fukushima site as we speak, collecting data on all of the fissioning material there, both in the reactors, spent fuel pools, and underground.

          Think of what would happen if they really let everyone know how bad it REALLY is, and told the truth…

          Can the world handle it?


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    • We Not They Finally

      A floor that is OPEN to the air? Honestly, the whole complex looks like the burned out Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. And with all the radioactivity, no one can work there, no one can BREATHE there. How can they possibly work on site? So what ARE they doing? How do they even get the measurements of radioactivity? (Serious question. I really don't know.)


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      • They work a lot with remote control equipment. They used to use robots, but the radiation killed them.

        All that they have left is suicide squads, paid minimum wage. They are told it is safe to work there.

        In the first month after the disaster, half of them did not even have dosimeters, and none had radiation detectors. Stories came out later about how workers covered them up with lead sheets, turned them around, or put them in places less likely to get a true and higher reading.


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  • That is the water pump and water-feed line to the reactor core folks.

    That is what got busted when the first cask exploded in reactor #4.


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  • Ace33

    at 562 millisieverts per hour that is a lethal dose within 2 hrs does this effect cooling operations?


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    EX-SKF has drawings today showing high radiation levels at several locations.
    Here is copy on Level5 of Unit 3:

    "Radiation measured on the 5th (top) floor of Reactor 3 (2,170 millisieverts/hour max) is in line with the levels measured on the 1st floor along the equipment hatch rails. As a reminder, that hatch was found open, and high radiation along the rails was from the steam or water leaking out from inside the Containment Vessel. Packbot did the cleanup of the hatch rails twice, and the towels that the robot used were soaking wet in the video from November 2011."

    And the 1st floor is also very hot. I wonder why after 2 1/2 years, TEPCO still can't point to the location, and explain the origin, of the explosion in Reactor3?
    "Reactor 3, 1st floor: 2,290 millisieverts/hour (or 2.29 Sieverts/hour) along the rails for the equipment hatch. 4,780 millisieverts/hour (or 4.78 Sieverts/hour) on the floor surface."
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/07/hot-spots-in-fukushima-i-nuke-plant.html


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  • papacares papacares

    this area has been watched for some time, with question
    by long term enewsers, over what could possibly be occurring.
    it is evident something specific is ongoing, displaying various levels of intensity, randomly? question is what?, from our limited observatory every thought is speculative, however it is for certain the event is increasing


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  • Always incredulous how little in depth reporting is going on regarding this ongoing disaster. More research is going into the implication and possibility of Baby Prince name.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Mark:

      ABC Evening News did an entire news show (6:30-7:00) about the "royal baby" the day it was born. How incompetent can they be?


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    • AntonButler

      The Queen Elisabeth attempted to claim as her own personal property the "Royal estates", billions of real estate.
      The prime minister , at that time Mr Major, told her no,
      these belong to the Country, and to the Office of the Monarch.
      What a greedy b…..
      Charles income from the estates in Cornwall, 30,000,000 dollars per year?
      He just goes sightseeing two times a week, visit a new school etc
      The royal family were + are + will be only interested in money,
      so they are as royal as every other man, monkey, ape on this earth.


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    • We hope they drag out this baby royal story for another YEAR or TWO.. Maybe even focus on it for the next ten years… bore people out of their minds, make them get royal fever.


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  • razzz razzz

    EXSKF showing Units 1, 2, 3, but different floors from past and present readings.

    EXSKF also shows the latest readings for Unit 3's concrete plug with the crane trolley assembly laying on it…
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP6KxnkCUAAL6OA.jpg:large

    There are high readings of around 4.5 sieverts or more at all the Units, somewhere or another on different floors besides 1 sievert readings all over the Units.

    Then there is the 10 sieverts outside at ground level between Units 1 and 2 at Standby Gas Treatment pipe. I gather it is a shared pipe.

    The readings make it hard to determine which Unit is the worst off but it looks like they are all in the same category with 2+ years of lost containment, very hot radioactively and/or hot temperature wise.

    I read the concrete sectional cap plug covering the metal containment cap like on Unit 3 (see link) is a dummy plug cover and not water tight and actually has vent holes. The condition of the metal containment cap/lid cannot be seen until the concrete dummy plug is removed and for Unit 3 the fallen crane trolley (large beams) assembly has to be removed first. I doubt that will happen anytime soon.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    If radiation is blowing to Tokyo and other towns …and beyond, seems we're all sitting ducks.


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    • Sitting ducks with HUGE target signs in our lungs… radioactive 'hot' nano particle Heaven.

      No way to avoid these particles, unless you want to go underground for a couple million years. Even rich people, the 1% are not safe.

      Then the hot shots in the military keep shooting off DU weapons all over the globe, which turns into nano radioactive 'hot' dust, that causes cancer and deformities and 2,500 genetic diseases, for the next 15 million years.

      It is all blowing in the wind, blowing in the wind.


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  • razzz razzz

    All (3) cores went without cooling water for at least 24 hours but more like 48 hours maybe even longer. Plenty of time to boil off any remaining cooling water and go into full meltdown mode then melt through the metal reactor itself which is more like exploding thru the bottom of the metal reactor vessel in these older designs.

    Saltwater injection as the last ditch effort for cooling, ended up with explosions except at Unit 2 which just burped.


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    • Same goes for the spent fuel pools. Remember all of the fires in the various spent fuel pools, that the fire dept. had to keep putting out, over and over?

      So easy to forget, and we get help in forgetting with the 'experts', who say nothing happened, only 10% of Chernobyl..

      Care to buy some moon cheese?


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    It's aggravating to watch the end of mankind in slow-motion, knowing what's happening but not getting honest answers.

    It will be interesting to see, per Mark's comment about the new royal baby, how the DNA mutation from the Fukushima and Chernobyl radiation will play out as the child gets older, in a family that has a long history of close inbreeding.

    I hope for the best, but the chemistry is all wrong.


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  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    I doubt they have any temperature control at all on that reactor. "Cold Shutdown" is such a nice politically correct sounding name, isn't it? Doesn't sound at all like the "razor thin edge" of out-of-controlness that they have been operating on for the past 2+ years.
    Steam…no steam…steam…no steam…iodine pit perhaps?


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  • We Not They Finally

    WHO investigates 562 millisieverts AN HOUR and HOW do they do it??? That's at the rate of 4,858,672 (= nearly 5 million!) mSv's a YEAR, as opposed to the TWENTY mSv's that is supposed to be the max for even nuclear workers. How did this even MEASURE this killer amount?


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    • corium pudding corium pudding

      They lower a man with a dosimeter down to what's left of the building using a remote-controlled crane. The trick is to not stay there very long.

      Either that, or they just lower the dosimeter down to what's left of the building using a remote-controlled crane.

      Knowing TEPCO, it's probably the former.


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  • weeman

    Over the last month or so their has been dramatic increase in ocean contamination and ground water readings, we now see steam rising from reactor three, I do not need to be a nuclear engineer to come to the conclusion that change is in the wind and things are heating up, that points to recriticality has increased, now this could be caused by several different factors, no matter what factor or multiple factors that are causing this, mankind is at a lose to how too engineer a solution.
    Let nature do its course and hope it is not a ELE, the only thing we can do is close these nuclear facilities down and learn from our mistakes and for this to occur mankind will have to have a brand new outlook on reality and we have to start somewhere, why not here.
    To my fellow minions.


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    • corium pudding corium pudding

      weeman, your points are well taken and it underscores that nothing is known about meltdowns on these scales. Nobody knows how this much corium behaves long-term. Chernobyl had corium but it blended with a lot of sand, if I recall. The Fukushima reactors' coriums likely plopped down on concrete only. And we know corium eats through concrete pretty fast. But a recriticality after two years? I would have thought "no" until this past week. Now it seems very possible.


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      • They know… they have very sophisticated measuring tools.

        They know EXACTLY where the coriums are, and what is fissioning, in which location.

        Even dumb satellites can figure this one out… Smart humans? They are too smart. They know that the truth would kill the nuclear industry, so they have to keep denying, covering up and hiding just about 99% of everything going on.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @weeman:

      They are not closing them down. They are making bombs and don't seem to realize the jig is up as far as we are concerned. Apparently too stupid to realize what is happening, or else, just do not care.


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      • weeman

        It's time to bring the Raines in on mankind this is not the only issue that has to be addressed and mankind has a nasty habit of avoiding the real issues as they are very sensitive and would cause much debate, to put it lightly, the neo fundamental renaissance.


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  • weeman

    One for PUN I know you believe that the corium is in mudrock, if that is the case maybe two of the corium blobs have merged any idea what the outcome of that would be, out on a limb.
    I do not like what I am seeing and reading about the plant in the last month, not to my liking, very disturbing,


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    • What happens if all three coriums combine?

      What happens if even ONE of them hits the hot lava level deep underground?

      What happens if ALL THREE 60 ton 5,000 degree coriums hit the lava layer, at roughly the same time, opening up three lava tubes going all the way to the surface?

      We may very well be witnesses to this in our lifetime..

      How long would it take for corium to reach the lava layer?


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        • The Hawaiian hotspot has since been tomographically imaged, showing it to be 500 to 600 km (310 to 370 mi) wide and up to 2,000 km (1,200 mi) deep, and olivine and garnet-based studies have shown its magma chamber is approximately 1,500 °C (2,730 °F).
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_hotspot

          How long does it take for corium to travel 1,200 miles underground?


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            Weeman and AGreenRoad: A merge of two or three of the coriums (coria?) is possible. Especially if some feature in the mudrock layers below the plant channeled the corium into a single flow. Might be the case.

            What if corium were to meet lava?
            When you look at Glogle Earth, you see a shelf off the coast of Fukushima. Then the Japan Trench falls a great depth into the subduction zone. Lava isn't in layers. More like pockets of lava in the solid mantle. On the flat of the Pacific Plate, you can see lots of volvanos, some of the large ones have names. This is where the lava is. I do not believe corium will meet lava for thousands of years. But I think that 5,000C corium and 1,500C lava would prove to be quite compatible, and would flow merrily on their way. A volcano of corium and lava would likely be an ELE.

            The corium quakes, however, leave me wondering what's up. What is the mechanism for a corium quake? Corium meets an aquifer or bedrock, which would be a reflector. More study needed, I suppose. New science.


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  • corium pudding corium pudding

    weeman,

    PUN's moving coriums remind me of a 1960's Star Trek episode called "The Devil in the Dark":

    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_%28Star_Trek%29">The Devil in the Dark</a>

    Coriums do remind me of "Hortas" as per that episode. If the coriums could speak they would probably say, "TEPCO, NO KILL I".


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    • corium pudding corium pudding

      Oh, well, I botched the hyperlink but just Google for it this episode reminds me of corium.


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      • weeman

        We must investigate all avenues as the laws of probability permit any possibility no matter how remote, I have been hoping that containment was not breeched, but it looks as if that is a remote possibility now and have to now hope that it solidified and not as PUN is adamant on china syndrome?
        Why no steam explosion when corium hit ground water or water table? If it was deep underground would the lava tube not be filled with ground water and below sea level, did the corium hit water table and it was so hot that it instantly turned to steam and the corium blob is acting like water on a frying pan, nobody knows but the shadow. Through discussion and dialog we may piece some off it together.


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        • corium pudding corium pudding

          My initial thinking was that the coriums must have solidified. TEPCO must have got water on it before China Syndrome, right? Now I'm not so sure.

          I am hoping for the best, but fearing for the worst based on the ground water reports of increased radioactivity and steam from reactor 3.

          If TEPCO would just tell the damn truth we might figure it out in our lifetimes.


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          • We Not They Finally

            Why would you think that the coriums SOLIDIFED? Even aside from the ghastly radioactivity, they are ghastly hot THERMALLY. And how can you cool tons and tons of materials out of containment?


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            • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

              Unit2 is proof to me that corium exited at least one of the reactor buildings at Fukushima, and very probably Units1,2,&3. Remember the video TEPCO released of the inside of Containment2?
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muGpacY2XjY
              You see corroded walls, peeling paint, and corium splatter. Finally, at the very bottom of the containment, the endoscope encounters whispy steam, and relatively calm water. TEPCO wondered where the hundreds tons of water they had been pouring into the containment to cool the melted fuel had gone. (TEPCO also wondered where the corium had gone to, but couldn't ask that question out loud.) My point is that, obviously, the corium has left containment entirely. Otherwise, roiling steam would have blocked the view of the endoscope, and the few inches of water at the bottom of the containment would be boiling. Calm water says there is only corium splatter left in Containment2. The endoscope video of Containment2 is proof positive of Reactor Building melt-out.

              Continuous unmoderated fission keeps corium very hot. Corium is not magic, however. Nuclear fuel has the potential to release 2.1 erg x 10 to the 16th power per gram of fuel.
              http://web.utk.edu/~cnattras/Phys250Fall2012/modules/module%205/nuclear_energy.htm
              The amount of heat in a core consisting of 94 tons of nuclear fuel is very large, but not endless. Eventually, fission stops, and the fuel exhausts itself.


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              • Let's hope then, that the corium 'exhausts' itself before reaching the lava layer.

                Otherwise, humanity may eventually experience a corium triggered volcano event, for the first time in the history of the planet.

                As poster said above, it may be ELE… if not directly from this event, then from the effects of the volcano on Fukushima, and forcing it to be abandoned.


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  • On this planet… SO many things have gone HAYWIRE from the Japan nuclear disaster… and the entire process that leads up to their very existence.

    Here is a look at the damages…

    http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/Pattie_Brassard/slideshow/Nuke-Quakes/Space_Sat_Data


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  • hbjon hbjon

    I've been ranting and raving here for over two years. A lot of my predictions have come true. I'll make another prediction. The earth will swallow up the entire complex in Fukushima. Caverns are forming due to the loss of mass from the vaporized material beneath the wreckage. There will be a large quake and it will trigger that event. Give it a year or two at the most.


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  • lickerface lickerface

    With the massive steam releases recently, I'm curious how I can measure any incoming radiation. I am thinking about buying the Inspector detector , but I'd like to know if any of you already have one of these and see any activity which is higher than in the last months. I do know that we are already receiving unsafe imports which can be tested. The website which has a Food Lab with entries for radioactive contaminated foods isn't really as up to date and full as I had hoped, so I was imagining I could help contribute my own findings to you all.


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  • WWJD WWJD

    Sorry, I forgot to mention my Polimaster 1703. I think everyone should run at the very least a GMC-200 inside with NETC.com free Windows software. Less than $100 total!


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  • I have the new soeks 2013… as it has cumulative absorbed dose metering, as well as background reading, food testing etc:

    It's a brand-new series tube that was made this year.. so not going to "Expire" on me anytime soon.


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  • patb2009

    i am guessing a pipe burst and is letting heat steam out


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  • Sol Man

    They don't know where it is coming from because they don't know where their coriums are.


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    • Sol Man

      Alternatively, if they do know exactly where the coriums are located then they know exactly the location where the steam emanates. It comes from where the water meets the corium. Nothing else is making that heat!


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  • Lion76 Lion76

    It's telling that this story has lingered for so long… and there is little to no reaction from the media, and mostly a lot of "I think it's overblown" responses from joe public.

    I mean… the Pacific freaking Ocean… no matter what you try to deny about airborne radiation particles the ocean contamination is pretty certifiable at this point. Yet, people still eating sushi and SEAWEED!! Honestly, I don't think that the American Public in particular is capable of caring/having an adult response to any environmental damages. If you have kids, I just don't see how you can go to sleep at night… unless you're just extremely selfish, doped up on anti-anxiety pills, or whatever else you're doing to be so "ignorant."

    It really has made me lose my respect for "my countrymen" and even close friends in general. Since I live in Louisiana, I got about the same reaction from when the BP spill kicked off. "Business as usual" let's drill some more. It's really gross and disrespectable. That's all I gotta say these days. I'm so tired of the losing battle, it's all too late by now. It will never be fixed, it's only going to get worse and we all know it. It's obvious, the answer for those in charge is to "do nothing" what a bunch of spineless LOSERS. That is not how a "man" acts, or a mother. It's disgusting to me, just wanted to vent.


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    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      …I know what you mean. Japanese nori sheets still for sale anywhere around here. drives me f'n nuts. I encountered a "friend" coming out of the local organic store the other week, she was holding a pack of 100 Japanese nori sheets. She said they were for the kids. I gave her a really…. f'd up look, she shrugged and said "it's all polluted anyway, so, I don't worry about it". I wanted to SCREAM!, but I was a good boy, smiled and walked away thinking….about changing the oil in my car…(as a pleasant distraction)


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        funny eatliesndie that you should mention nori sheets. I was at Whole Foods the other day and noticed a good soul who was buying all her vegan goodies at the checkout. The nori sheets at the top of her shopping bag caught my eye. I wanted to go over and flag her, but decided against it. I still feel guilty for not saying something to her. But approaching her out of the blue would've seemed weird so I decided against doing so…


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        • eatliesndie eatliesndie

          What to do? It seems beyond the ken of most…


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            what's sad eatliesndie is how well kept this woman was. You could tell she wasn't living out of the modern low-fat trough that most do. She was probably in her late forties to early fifties and looked very healthy; more than many half her age. So, whatever she'd been doing over the last twenty years had paid off. I just hate to think she'd be undone by the news blackout…


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    TEPCO says steam is coming from Containment Vessel. From press conference, as reported by EX-SKF
    "As you all know, speaking about the area near the shield plug of Reactor 3, it was around this area where the steam was coming from inside the reactor's Containment Vessel right after the accident [explosion of Reactor 3 on March 14, 2011]. We think the current high radiation levels observed around, near the shield plug, are probably due to the effect of that steam."
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/07/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-3s-steam.html


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Why would anybody in their right mind build nuclear power plants in an active earthquake zone?
    http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/07/23/yet-more-strong-earthquakes-around-crippled-fukushima-power-plant/
    Obviously, this is just nuts.


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    • VanneV anne

      Why would they restart their nuclear power plants now?


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      • Think of what it costs to keep them closed, but not decommissioned.

        No wonder they are paying more for power.

        It will cost TRILLIONS of Dollars no matter what, just the FUKU part of it. The other nuke puke plants will cost them plenty too, on top of FUKU, they just do not know it yet.

        The Soviets went bankrupt over Chernobyl and that is why the wall came down. The whole regime collapsed financially, according to Gorbachev.

        Just wait, Japan is going there too… They already had debts larger than Greece per capita, BEFORE FUKU..

        Clean up costs have already gone up 500% from early 'estimates'.

        Those computer estimates sure are accurate. We can all rely on them.

        (sarc)


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        • ftlt

          Great reply GREEN-R….

          We are talking about a people and a way of life (for good or bad) that is confronted with a very hard economic choice when it abandons its nuclear program…

          The costs of decommissioning them is only the beginning…

          It was sadly laughable at the time – as the early costs estimates for this disaster were so patently low… Denial!!! And outright lies!!! Keep the power of positive spin going at all costs – there is money to be made!!!

          The great wave's and earthquake's damage is now looking small compared to the toxic evil that has been released on Japan and the world – and the real long term costs of having to abandon the nuclear power scheme for Japan…

          They took the wrong road to prosperity there – as we all are..

          LIVE WELL NOT BETTER!!! SMASH CAPITALISM!!!


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  • Sol Man

    The press of the status quo- death wish.


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  • AntonButler

    The Japanese people have no faith in a life without nuclear power, they think not enough exports or money to buy oil.
    So what they believe (even if erroneous) comes true for them.
    People in Japan could at least go fishing,,and plant crops everywhere,were not hungry, before nuclear power..?
    From the biofuel technology, the Japanese could do okay without
    any nuclear power.
    Germany is developing the biofuel technology as fast as possible,
    now accounting for 12% of transport energy needs and rising quickly. Soon Germany will need very low oil imports.
    They will aim for zero oil imports , knowing their mindset.
    The Germans are certainly as technically able as any people, and they will find a way….without nuclear power.
    They will develop wind, solar, biofuel to the maximum, and they will succeed.
    Just to remind you, University fees in Germany are zero.
    They think long term. The Euro will be around for a long time.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    The "people" don't want nuclear power. Only the ill-informed go along with it, politicians included.


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  • Biofuels don't solve the problem, just makes it worse. It is a carbon fuel, like oil, coal and gas.

    We need to develop carbon free fuels, such as HYDROGEN.


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  • AntonButler

    Biofuels technology is a carbon CYCLE technology.
    for @AGreenRoad
    The plants which produce the oil which is converted to fuel
    take CO2 out of the atmosphere.
    SCHOOL kids understand this, in UK,
    Every living cell on the planet generates CO2,
    (maybe excepting a few special bacteria, viruses)


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  • Oil, gas and coal are all carbon cycle fuels as well.

    Yes, plants do take CO2 out of the air. We do not disagree on this point.

    But overall, every carbon source burned adds to the total amount of CO2 in the global atmosphere, causing acidification of the oceans, air, and reduction of total oxygen levels.

    On the other hand, burning hydrogen adds ZERO carbon load.

    Thus, plants can start REDUCING the total amount of CO2. Right now the levels of co2 are going up stratospherically..

    Everything we can do to reduce carbon fuel burning should be done.

    We have reached and exceeded the tipping point as far as CO2 levels; 400 PPM.

    Now the really serious stuff will start hitting the fan, and it will keep getting worse, because it takes awhile to turn this all around.

    Biofuels are not a sustainable solution for seven future generations. If we switched to 100% bio fuels instead of coal, oil and gas, the amount of CO2 would still rise at the same amounts per year, unless you take desert and switch it to growing bio fuels.

    What amount of carbon fuel does it take to 'grow' a gallon of bio fuel?


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