Fukushima Whistleblower: Container vessel melting like honeycomb — “Can you believe it is out of the container vessel”? (PHOTOS)

Published: January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm ET
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SOURCE: http://shadow-city.blogzine.jp/net/2012/01/post_08a1.html

Breaking News: Whistle-blower talks, container vessel is melting like honeycomb, Fukushima Diary, Jan. 3, 2011:

A whistle-blower of Tepco leaked the actual situation of Fukushima plant.

He left his comments on a Japanese forum. Here are the messages. [...]

2011/12/20 (Tue) 01:52 [Translation]

Taking a part of the concrete slag sample. Put it into the lead case (Chiyoda technol) and take it to a lab. I don’t know if it’s because they gave sea water to cool down or because it’s brackish area, if natrium (sodium salt) of sea water made a chemical reaction with calcium carbonate in the concrete to become diuranate natrium (sodium diuranate) or not, it looks yellow as yellow cake.

Probably the iron part of the core is uranium pellet unreacted – not sure yet because it’s still before the analysis.

It’s beyond the max reading of 500X100 CPM. These yellow concrete slags come out from under the building one after one. It means that the container vessel is melting like honeycomb at least – doesn’t it? Otherwise why would metal uranium comes out of there ?

2011/12/28 (Wed) 04:37 [Translation]

Made up my mind to take out the slags from the shelter to take pictures of them.

Wore protective clothing. When it’s taken out, it was over 400 ℃ but now it’s cooled down to 100 ℃.

Can you see this big metal crystal (extremely radioactive) and the oxidized concrete looking like yellow cake? Can you believe it is out of the container vessel. It’s over 500 mSv/h, my geiger counter went over the limit.

Was scared so put it back to the shelter soon as I took a couple of the pictures.

Read the full report here

SOURCE: Fukushima Diary

SOURCE: Fukushima Diary

See also: Top Japan official: Very strong possibility there is nuclear fuel outside containment vessel (VIDEO)

Published: January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm ET
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105 comments to Fukushima Whistleblower: Container vessel melting like honeycomb — “Can you believe it is out of the container vessel”? (PHOTOS)

  • odiez1 odiez1

    Turned into a yellow cake.. Figures it wouldn’t be a nice solid, but a powder cause it’s so hot it’s cooked off all the fluids.
    Crazy.. We are witnessing the end through a computer screen.


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    • How did all that pollen get down there A’h???


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    • fredlvie

      maybe sulfur 35?if seawater is contacted by heavy radiation there will sulfur 35 fallout…


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    • Fred

      I’ve looked and looked at these picture. What keeps haunting me about them is “What kind of camera took these pictures in this intense radiation without a single out-of-place pixel or any kind of sparkling (noise) caused by the intense gamma attacking the camera CCD imager?”

      Obviously the cheap detector is offscale. But, alas, full scale is only 50,000 CPM (500 x 100), which is only twice the count as what can be wiped off a pickup truck hood in a St Louis rainstorm….which doesn’t wipe out the camera taking the picture.

      If this is core material, noone will be taking clean pictures of it and live to tell about it. It won’t be “cooling off” just exposing it to air as it will be too close to criticality, and totally deadly.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see the sensation here…we all know since weeks and weeks that the fuel has melted out and is down on its way in the concrete. Even Tepcoclowns admitted that.

    Now they might have found a piece of the stuff – that could be expected, or not?


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Can you post a link to the photos you have seen before, from a TEPCO whistleblower?


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        • arclight arclight

          if you look closesly at the second picture down.. you will see a rock of dense uranium and concrete.. it rests on a can that is open and you can nearly see the rock except the “cloth” is slightly in the way… the rock itself is perched in the inner ring of the lid and mysteriously on the vaccum of the hole..

          question.. what is supporting this very heavy bit of rock? the “cloth”, which has a tear on the right of the picture?..

          then we are led to believe that the picture can not be taken there and it is moved to a better spot when all they had to do was move the cloth a bit on the floating stone thingy!!

          time is of the essence in a situation like that i would presume..

          thought for the night perhaps?


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          • arclight arclight

            A piece of metal taken from a 200 degree C fire is immediately placed into a 10 degree C cup of water. After 2 minutes, the metal is 150 degrees. Find when the metal reaches 100 degrees C.
            T(t)= Tm+(To-Tm)e^-kt
            Solution it will be 100 degrees C after 4 minutes and 53 seconds and 24 milliseconds

            or this

            The inital temperature of liquid hot magma is 1500 degrees F. It immediately enters 60 degree F water. After 3 minutes the magma is 400 degrees F. How long does it take the magama to cool to 100 degrees F?
            T(t)=Tm+(To-Tm)e^-kt
            Solution: K=.48115, THe magma will reach 100 gegrees F in 7 minutes and 26 seconds

            or this

            George is shooting his handgun at a variety of melons in his back yard. after he is finished, the tip of the gun where the barrel protrudes measures 330 degrees F. it is a beautiful day out, 70 degrees F with no chance of rain. after 30 seconds in the air, the barrel measures 300 degrees F. when will the barrel reach 100 degrees F?

            equation: T(t)=70+(330-70)e^-.0041t

            solution: after 526.7 seconds in the air the barrel will reach 100 degrees F

            and more appropriately this

            “A large gold robot is removed from it’s heating oven at 500 Degrees Farenheit. It is placed in a room to cool which the room temp is 75 degrees farenheit. After being in the freezer for 5 minutes it has already cooled to 450 degrees farenheit. Determine when the robot will be at 75 degrees farenheit.
            Equation: T(t)= 75+(500-75)e^-.kt…”

            unfinished but you get an idea!! 500+ mSv/hr for five or ten minutes at least!! hmmm??

            http://mcsd-blog.mcbarons.manheimcentral.org/dinapolij/2010/04/16/newtons-law-of-cooling-examples/


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          • arclight arclight

            The Effects of Fire on Structural Systems

            “All building materials except timber are likely to show significant loss of strength when heated above 250 ºC, strength that may not recover after cooling. Thus, it is useful to estimate the maxi maximum temperature attained in a fire. Molded glass objects soften or flow at 700 or 800 ºC. Metals form drops or lose their sharp edges as follows: 300 to 350 ºC for lead, 400 ºC for zinc, 650 ºC for aluminum and alloys, 950 ºC for silver, 900 to 1000 ºC for brass, 1000 ºC for bronze, 1100 ºC for copper and 1100 to 1200 ºC for cast iron. There are also the well-known color changes in concrete or mortar.
            The development of red or pink coloration in concrete or mortar containing natural sands or aggregates of appreciable iron oxide content occurs at 250 to 300 ºC and, nor normally, 300 ºC may be taken as the transition temperature. Table A-1 provides specifics…..”

            http://www.ashireporter.org/articles/articles.aspx?id=1154


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    That confirms that China Syndrome has begun in reactor 1. They need to rush in and get as much of the melting waste out before it reaches the sand under the reactor. Those melted pieces of waste are blinking with radiation due to uranium fusing to steel. If the core pieces hit the sand while at high temperatures it could cause more gasses to begin reacting. TEPCO denied China Syndrome for the past 10 months and now there is no denying that it is happening. I wonder how they will try to spin it this time. The mess here is going to take a lot longer to remove than the estimated 40 years. It could take over 100 years to remove pieces of uranium if they borrowed deep in the concrete of the containment. Life is finite, but nuclear is forever.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi Brampybone, they talk about unit 2 here. On fukudiary it says: “If it’s soft material, they can do horizontal boring with such a weak equipment (like the top picture ) but when it comes to the concrete of the reactor building it’s impossible. They need to do boring with a foreign heavy equipment at an angle. They do boring to reach to under the container vessel.”

      I understood they are drilling a hole in the concrete block underneath the RPV to take samples. I thought we already knew (officially) it’s in the concrete?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Ah…my screener saver guy….for all your loyalty to the corporatocracy..you’ve already been thrown under the bus….


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  • HoTaters

    The appearance of that stuff is really, really EERIE. Like something straight from the pit of Hell; fire and brimstone. Brimstone, that’s what it reminds me of.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Brimstone is sulphur, which is yellow of course. I was wondering if the only reasonable interpretation of the yellow substance is the one made by the blogger, namely sodium diuranate.

      Anybody know for sure?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_diuranate

      This is a very disturbing story. However… honeycomb melts rather quickly and this whistle was blown about two weeks ago, I think, so I don’t know how literally to take the analogy.


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  • steeplerot

    This is not good, that does look like uranium. Could it be iron oxide with seawater? I have been reading this site since it’s day 1. I was on the edge of my seat about this since March 11. My friends will not talk to me about this. I am hoping I am wrong. But this I agree is probably the real deal. People need to clean those up…like MONTHS ago. We have a literal genetic genocide going on. My friends thought I was crazy because I would not go outside around March 16th or so when it rained for days here (downtown San Francisco)


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    • many moons

      MY friends laughed when I changed my March 17th flight plans from flying through the currents that carried the fallout to staying put in the southern hemisphere. Who cares what they think! We need to think for ourselves. God gave us a little more common sense than others so I’m using mine, and I’m not waiting for some pretty journalist to tell me when to hit the floor.


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  • tomb1

    What a strange story.

    * Why is the geiger counter set to battery test?

    * If there was Uranium in that mass, this guy will have burned skin and probably die soon.

    To be honest: I don’t buy it, no.


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  • dka

    pro nuclear activists every day routine work:
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/01/anti-nuclear-town-councilor-died-in-undetermined-manner/
    for them, people’s death is a daily action items on the agenda.
    I could tolerate Nuclear Power Plant Energy maybe, but the people managing it belong to the dark side, so nuclear power is a 100% no possibility.


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  • jec jec

    Picture of nuclear disaster! The whisleblower -hope he is safe, the drillers who GOT this material–hope they are safe as well. Since the materials come from a certain level in the containment vessel area..or outside the containment vessel..and was over 400 degrees..around 12/28–there is NO WAY their is a COLD SHUTDOWN. Anyone else see the horror of this but us?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The sample does reasonably resemble the characteristics of cooled lava..in insert slice specimen..
    Red streaks..shiny areas..yellow….wowser.


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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    And how much radiation is this spewing into the environment? Into the ocean??

    We should all begin to wonder how the fallout from the nuklear bombs they will use on Iran will effect the jet stream, your particular area, and how much radiation will hit the atmosphere and eventually drop down on north america and Europe.

    What makes anyone who supports more war think they will escapes the REAL DANGEROUS FALLOUT from the middle east area once it hits the atmosphere? Have you tracked the air from over Iran to the US continent?

    If you support any other candidate but Ron Paul, you will get your war and see in your lifetime world war 3 in which the nazi america is being set up to lose.

    Something to think about and prepare for because this nazi govt is out of control and no one seems to care enough to stop it. It’s like being seat-belted on a train that is going off the cliff and no one can stop it or cares enough to stop it and you cannot get off.

    ARE YOU ALL READY AND PREPARED FOR THIS?


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    • steeplerot

      Hate to break the bad news but Ron Paul cult of personality/dear leader mr no govt no government regulation/no big socialistic detection centers is the last thing we need. Can we keep the paulbot/non Fuku related politics out of this? Like all we need is MORE free market..great they will build reactors everywhere for a Buck. With no regulation this is disaster. Besides ron Paul never even voted against this last tyrranical bill. Wake up. Its another con artist from Texas selling you a line for corrupt capitalist gangsters like GE who got us into this mess.


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      • Is Ron Paul taking any corporate money? I tried to find out, but did not get anywhere with it..

        As far as all of the rest, they are all on corporate payrolls, including the nuke industry.

        Vote only for non corporate money type people, or these problems will get much much worse.

        The only parties that I know of that do not accept corporation
        donations are the Green Party and the Peace And Freedom Party.

        Any vote for any incumbent or candidate that takes corporate money is a wasted vote…


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    • James would you agree this material reflects the material aka pollen I sent you in sept?


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    • many moons

      Dropping nukes on any country is kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. I do believe that when the first nuclear weapons were dropped scientists were amazed that the explosion killed far fewer than the fallout, so if a country dropped a bomb on a neighboring country they might very well kill more of their own.


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    • teamplayer

      Paul has stated publically
      that he believes safety concerns re: nuclear power are “overblown.” He said that in a televised interview post-03/11.


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Just so they don’t dig deep like Fracking and cause another earthquake. Geez what a witches brew.


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    @JT….Good Morning James.
    None of us are ready or prepared for this.
    Your train analogy holds up very well, I think.
    This lumbering corporate monster spewing death from its smoke stack has gained momentum and passed the last station, Ron Paul or no Ron Paul. He doesn’t like perpetual war, but he likes his corporations just fine.
    It will be interesting to see if anything is left in its wake.
    Reminds me a little of the old Doors song, Riders on the Storm.


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  • nyarlathotep nyarlathotep

    Hi there, my first post on enenews after 2/3′s of a year of lurking. So first of all, thanks for all the wonderfull info! Good job!!!

    Now, I guess the geiger-counter is at full max on the 2 sliders, and I guess it’s on battery just because that way it’s portable. Seems also like the red led is burning…

    Anyhow, this makes the part of me that collects stones & minerals thrilled by the sight of this rare sample, the avenger in me sees the base of a dirty bomb just ripe for the picking, and the Greenpeace part of me is truly horrified…

    I guess Fallout IV will have North Japan as its new setting…


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  • All I know is that the meter is PEGGED and that is the maximum reading, is 500.

    So how much higher is it? It could be 5000 for all we know, or 100000000

    That is the problem with all of this… there is NO INFORMATION of a scientific sort coming out of Fukushima, just leaks and drips and steam, and lots and lots of radiation, which NO ONE IS COUNTING or MEASURING, because the world does not seem to care that it is being poisoned…

    End of rant

    Class dismissed. Have a nice day


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  • nyarlathotep nyarlathotep

    IF it would be a hoax, it looks a bit like a thoroughly eroded piece of pyrite… But the structure is wrong, there’s too much of a green tint in it and I’ve never seen that chalky pale pink stuff in combination with pyrite. It might also be a piece of very moldy bread… But I think the picture does show us some genuine uranium-based mineral conglomerates. But I’m no professional geologist, and even if I would be, analysing a picture is not enough.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    @ odiez1 – LOVE ur strangelove icon! Love that movie! Brilliant, prophetic. Also, those who haven’t seen it – check out INVASION OF THE BODYSNATCHERS. the original b&w from the ’50s.

    @ steeplerot —

    James Tekton is right about Ron Paul. He’s the only uncorrupted candidate. Some regulation of govt. in the public interest is needed, I agree. Paul does not disagree with that. He is against all the corruption, the insiders’ machine that controls DC politics now, the invasions/wars all over, the mis-use of public monies, the over-spending, the huge debt – and he favors sticking to the Constitution. The Constitution is a good document. Some things don’t change.

    Please steeplerot, do a little investigation before being opposed to Ron Paul, the only honest uncorrupted man making a bid for the presidency. He’s a brave man, and a good man. The controlled politicians and press are going nuts in their attempts to discredit and defeat him- because he is not CONTROLLED by them.


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  • W8R W8R

    Hello,
    Although I do believe Ron Paul is a good man, and would be better than the shills we have now, we need to remain on topic…Please…
    We are witness to a possible ELE, and politics can wait..

    This has already aerosolized enough radionuclide`s to exterminate us all many times over.. And if SPF4 falls over, or god forbid, the CFP goes, we are all doomed.. 1331 assemblies, and 204 new MOX assemblies in SPF4 alone, and 6K more in the CFP..

    IMO, the poster is correct about sodium diuranate, but cannot be sure..
    Uranium doesnt “yellow cake” on its own..

    Oh, and the counter is set on “audible” not battery…

    And the Guy who took the pics, is a dead man….

    500msv is way too much for unprotected exposure for any amount of time..

    I dont use Windows, so some of the cams are unavailable to me, but the editing is easy to see.. If they are editing, they are LYING…

    And before anyone asks, I am a former Nuclear Plant employee.. (PVNGS)
    W8R..(waiter) because I have waited 20 years for this to happen..

    And in 20+ years, I never imagined it this bad….

    May the Lord have mercy on us all…Except Tepco…..


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    • W8R

      Thank you for joining us. Your experience will be valuable to the discussion.

      Quite a few of us believe fires of some sort are ongoing at the plant near unit 3 and in the area of the common spent fuel pool. See the fukushima web cam discussion forum.

      I have been running beta and gamma charts using radnet and I am beginning to wonder whether or not Palo Verde Nuclear plant near Phoenix is running MOX.

      To my knowledge it is the only commercial plant in the US that was licensed to run MOX (I found the license but cannot find evidence that it is or is not running it).

      Do you have any idea where I might get that info?

      Radnet shows skyrocketing beta levels in many areas of country still reporting.

      I’m trying to figure out how much of these spikes can be attributed to Fukushima and how much is local.

      Interestingly, Enviroreporter just picked up beta or alpha particles while flying across US (as reported in his interview with Jeff Rense)

      Thanks


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    • arclight arclight

      And the Guy who took the pics, is a dead man….

      a frightening thought! i hope he is ok!
      its about time the msm got to grips with the story.. human beings need to make some BIG changes..
      thanks for the post!


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  • norbu norbu

    I was looking today for info on debris from Japan. came across this site that says basically it helps with disasters on Earth.http://www.millenniumassessment.org/en/Donors.html
    They failed to mention the worst disaster of all time and on going problem for all living beings. Not all but some of This group is a part of the on going problem. I am sad for all beings on earth.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @Chemfood ..Aloha…thanks for the link…Guarding the garbage….sounds like a job..for the Coast Guard….
    just like they do in the GOM…for BP….


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  • isogoodhumans

    First post after lurking since 3-11.

    I see some people scared of Ron Paul because he is a Libertarian. But think about it, nuclear only survives because of subsidies. If nuclear had to rely on economic merits it would be dead. You cant sell power high enough for 50yrs to pay for storage/cleanup for 500,000 yrs.

    Second point is that people are mystified as to why nuclear industry managers dont consider they too have to consume radioactive material in their environment. You need to look to psychologists for the answer. These people are attracted to nuke power because they like to think they can control their environment. These people are psychopaths. No person who could empathize with suffering from radiation sickness would want to be near this industry. But it attracts people. To fight this evil we need to know the kind of people it attracts and fight them. They are psychopaths, mentally ill, they are not even sure they love their own family. They just care about themselves. That is all you need to know. They are not like any concerned person posting here. Thats why we dont understand how this is happening,


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    • VanneV anne

      Sorry, but Ron Paul thinks that nuclear power is the best energy source there is. He is in favor of the subsidies to nuclear power. He also thinks everyone was too harsh with BP, because BP is a wonderful company. Ron Paul is a Freemason and elitist. Of course he doesn’t want subsidies or welfare to anyone besides the top 1%.

      Also his racist writings in the distant past, he now attributes to someone who is now one of his campaign managers. Like all politicians he wants to appeal to opposing sides.


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    • StillJill StillJill

      You are correct, isogoodhumans,…..! I married one, for a short while. He did NOT care for his own two children AT ALL, nor me or mine. He was a dead man walking.

      Oh, and good luck on that search friend!


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    • In India from my personal experience, the situation is identical. I do hope the people who are fighting fore their lives(we all!) succeed,Ishwara wills!


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    • VanneV anne

      Ron Paul on Nuclear Energy and Japan 03/15/11 [Video]
      http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283690-Ron-Paul-on-Nuclear-Energy-and-Japan-03-15-11-Video
      Ron Paul says nuclear power is the safest energy there is. He’s afraid that no new nuclear plants will be built. He thinks they should build more nuclear power plants. Thinks Fukushima won’t be that bad.
      He thinks BP is a wonderful company and shouldn’t be criticized for the BP environmental catastrophe.
      Therefore his highest priority is subsidies to oil and nuclear power.


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    • VanneV anne

      Awakening to Ron Paul’s Crony Capitalism

      “…Ron Paul’s Illuminati hand gestures, his promotion of economics funded by “Jewish bankers”, and his various other esoteric associations to free masonry, the Rockefeller Foundation, Bilderberg attendee Peter Thiel, and PNAC are irrelevant. The point that bankers are frequently Jewish is surely irrelevant considering that they are not Jewish if they are bankers, creating money as interest-bearing debt, in direct opposition to the demands of the Old Testament. There are several Jews who do not support what the bankers are doing as I’m sure there are bankers who identify with other religions or spiritual beliefs. Making such points are a distraction and can only weaken one’s point. I was even drawn into pointing out the Illuminati hand gestures and association to the Rockefeller Foundation, PNAC, and Peter Thiel, in hopes that those who follow the esoteric would take notice of the economic points, how Ron Paul promotes a crony capitalism in opposition to classical liberalism and free markets, while he describes himself as being a champion for true capitalism, free markets, and classical liberalism.

      “What is relevant is Ron Paul’s role in herding the stray sheep of politics, upset at the Republicans or Democrats, towards a false paradigm of economics. What is important is how brainwashed, militant, and intellectually dishonest these supporters of Ron Paul are. They resemble fascists, promoting a crony capitalism which resembles a new type of feudalism, while calling themselves defenders of capitalism, free markets, and classical liberalism. They do not listen to what you have to say. They are not there to learn. They are there to beat a drum of free markets and anarchy while at the same time they promote corruption of free markets by the government, without even being aware that is what they are doing. You can’t even crack a joke about Ron Paul without them going ballistic….


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      • VanneV anne

        [cont.]
        “Libertarianism as promoted by the Austrian School of Economics is the crony capitalism of a neofeudalism. The Austrian School of Economics wants us to repeat the failures of history rather than learn from them. There is a true libertarianism which mirrors true classical liberalism. However, that true libertarianism is not the libertarianism which Ron Paul promotes….

        “If Ron Paul was elected and the Austrian School of Economics became as mainstream as Keynesian economics, those who control our banking system and their corporations would still be in control. We would repeat history with frequent banking panics, boom/bust cycles, and monetary changes to accommodate a return to a gold standard or some variant of a commodity-based and interest-bearing currency beneficial to bankers and those who profit on debt….

        “We’d have to watch our public infrastructure be privatized. Our roads would be sold to aristocrats and transnational corporations and transformed into toll roads for a transnational corridor. We, the People, who built the roads, would now have to pay tolls to use them to private corporations. We would see the same with the community hospitals, parks, and other public infrastructure. We already see this happening now….

        “We’d see another Great Depression, where first by inflation of a cheap debt-based currency and then by the deflation of an expensive commodity and debt-based currency, we’d literally wake up homeless on tax-free land monopolized by the crony capitalists Ron Paul embraced rather than opposed. We would become a pathetic banana republic rather than the republic for and by the people the classical liberals hoped we’d become. The demands for socialism would be greater, not lesser, under Ron Paul’s crony capitalism and various austerity programs.


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      • VanneV anne

        [cont.]
        “Ron Paul is exactly what the globalists would want. That is why they funded the Austrian School of Economics. Ron Paul is the Hegelian dialect and a false paradigm that would enable the slavery of the masses…”
        http://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/


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        • yogda yogda

          anne,

          Fukushima's pollution is also a property rights issue. You and I both know this was a coverup of huge proportions and I would not be surprised as why Paul is not up to speed on this event because he is not an insider.

          If you build something dangerous and pollute or cause harm to your neighbor/environment you WILL be held accountable!!

          Getting Paul up to speed on the true state of Nuclear power will be the easy part. I am doing what I can.
          Yes this is a weakness for him in not being as informed as he should be. He has enough on his plate with the Federal Reserve system which is the real core of our problems and that INCLUDES the Nuclear Industry.


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  • Atomfritz Atomfritz

    Did you look at the source (Fukushima Diary)?

    Did you see the photos with the workers in summer clothes without any disturbing Tyvek or even masks yourself?

    Did you really believe that this “whistleblower” handled a 100+ Sv “corium” piece with his hands?


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    • Hogweed

      The pictures of the drilling equipment are just illustrative of the equipment talked about. They are not from Fukushima – it says “like the bottom 2 pictures”.

      The pictures of the “samples” do not currently appear on the Japanese blog linked to (although the text does). Mochizuki says he downloaded them earlier in a comment.


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  • W8R W8R

    Hello,
    So it could have several explanations..
    Here is another..
    Uranium Trioxide.
    The 6th, or “yellow” state of Uranium Oxidation..
    Basically..
    Beyond being radioactive, Uranium + Seawater = Concrete Swiss Cheese..
    The UO3 is not water soluble, but robs ions from the concrete, helping the seawater “weather” it to death..


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    • W8R W8R

      BTW..
      UO3 is preferred as a Nuclear fuel due to its resistance to solubility…
      Fuel is always an oxide..
      Before I was a poster here, someone once contended that “Arnie referred to Uranium as a Molecule…when we all know it is an Element..”
      LOL…
      Arnie knows exactly what he is talking about..
      I have had arguments B4 about “Dr” Gunderson.
      No, he never got his Phd..
      And no, he IS NOT a Physicist he is an Engineer..
      He designed the fuel racks used @ Fukushima..

      (Then the bastards quaded the insert spacing, increasing the capacity X4..
      And decreasing the moderation by the same..
      He has a video about it at Fairewinds.com..)

      And no, I was a paper pusher, not an engineer…
      I am self educated..LOL


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  • W8R W8R

    Oh,
    I think Nuclear Power IS the answer..
    So does the UNIVERSE..
    But to use it to boil water,
    As Albert Einstein said,
    Is Ludicrous…

    We dont need that much power.. Not yet.. LOL…
    Tesla proved our own planet generated enough electromagnetic energy to support us all.. (Shh Dont let the oil guys hear, they will KILL you)..

    Here is my idea of the New Year….
    We take all the Nuclear material, and paint it on solar cells, and encase them in Boron Carbide Concrete..

    Dont laugh too hard…
    Research has been done…
    When I found it on the net, I was upset…
    There went my fortune and fame…
    I thought I “thought of it”..LOL..


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    • VanneV anne

      This is NOT a good idea:
      “We take all the Nuclear material, and paint it on solar cells…”


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      • VanneV anne

        Radiation kills forever. The following article talks about safe nuclear. There will never be safe nuclear:

        “SAFE NUCLEAR: Nuclear power is experiencing a revival worldwide. Advanced third generation power plants are being constructed in a number of countries, and fourth generation power plants are on the drawing boards. These designs reduce the problems of weapons-grade material being produced and sold illicitly. But there are a number of Safe Nuclear technologies that do not use a nuclear fission reactor to produce heat to boil water to run a steam turbine to turn an electric generator. The simplest of these technologies is Radio-Luminescence. Until the 1970′s, a self-glowing paint with small amounts of Radium in it was available at hardware stores. It was used to make watch dials glow in the dark. This material could be painted on photovoltaic panels (solar cells) to produce electricity 24 hours a day for 15 years! Besides that, small nuclear batteries called Beta-voltaic Cells have been demonstrated. …”
        http://www.free-energy.ws/technologies.html


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  • W8R W8R

    Oh, and on PVNGS..
    Palo Verde is indeed certified for “high volatility fuel”.. IE MOX..
    Fukushima WAS NOT..
    Palo Verde is a PWR, not a BWR..
    And the GE guys who designed a “fuel pool above the core” Reactor…
    Grrrr..
    And we have 14 of them here…

    Sorry Admins..
    But that design is fucking insane…
    SPF`s belong in ground.. Duh…
    So it floods… Duh…
    The “Mark 1″ as implemented at Fukushima, is CRIMINAL..

    Sorry.. Rant over…


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  • W8R W8R

    If there will never be “safe nuclear” it will be because of money..


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  • isogoodhumans

    WRONG. RON PAUL SAYS NUCLEAR POWER HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN. NO SUBSIDY. http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-13/ron-paul-bernanke-will-destroy-the-middle-class/

    Interviewer: If we come out of finance here for a second, and stick with regulation. We have 20 miles from here a nuclear power plant, its license is due to expire in March, and the owner of the plant is making efforts to have that license extended. The regulatory agency that oversees that plant and other nuclear power plants in the country, the NRC, is believed by some to be so close to the industry that it’s in bed with them. Do you have any views on that particular score, first, regarding the NRC’s regulatory position and integrity? And secondly about nuclear power itself?

    Ron Paul: Well, I think the markets should determine these things and I think the people in New Hampshire should make the decision. Why can’t they decide whether there’s danger or not. So I would think that would be fine. But personally I have sympathy for nuclear power, but my opinion should have no value, because what should really count is, if you’re going with the regulations of the marketplace, you say, “Well, should we subsidize it?”. Well, the market say no. Somebody else says, “We should subsidize it because it’s good”.

    No, I’m saying no, you don’t do it, it has to act on its own. Then they ask, “Should it be insured?” well, we’ll find out. If it’s too expensive, that means it’s too expensive and too dangerous to do it. But if you say, “Oh no, if you allow the regulatory agencies to come in and have the special interests come in and say, “We think it’s safe, we’ll take care of the insurance and we’ll take care of the waste products”, you never get an honest number for what the cost of energy should be. And it’s cost and safety and the market has to examine who’s safe and who’s paying for it. But if you get the taxpayers and the regulators involved, the special interests will control it…


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    • VanneV anne

      That’s a whole bunch of double talk.


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    • VanneV anne

      Ron Paul on Nuclear Energy and Japan 03/15/11 [Video]
      http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283690-Ron-Paul-on-Nuclear-Energy-and-Japan-03-15-11-Video

      Ron Paul says nuclear power is the safest energy there is. He’s afraid that no new nuclear plants will be built. He thinks they should build more nuclear power plants. Thinks Fukushima won’t be that bad.


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    • VanneV anne

      Ron Paul: “But if you get the taxpayers and the regulators involved, the special interests will control it… ”

      Who do you think controls the market? When the Republicans took over both houses of Congress and Newt Gingrich was the majority leader of the House, together with Greenspan, they got rid of all regulation. What we got was the accounting scandals and fraud in the mortgage markets. And Greenspan so innocently says, I didn’t think they would do anything to their own detriment. We also got the banks gambling and merging with the investment companies. And we got the bailouts to merge even more banks so now there are even too big to fail. The market is controlled by capital and by those with huge amounts of capital.

      The rhetoric and the debate and the laws are controlled by those with all the money. The judicial elections have also been financed by those with great amounts of money who now own the appeal courts.


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    Great Rant. The truth is getting harder and harder to take!!!

    Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!


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  • W8R W8R

    I hate the knee jerk, “Atoms suck” reaction this has caused..
    For heavens sake, Bananas and Concrete are “radioactive”..

    Solar power IS Nuclear power..
    Tide, Wind, Wave..
    All powered by the sun..

    God I sound like a “pro nuke shill” huh??
    I just dont want to see a huge backlash..

    Nuclear research should continue…
    Stupid 50 yr old designed water reactors should not….
    All of them… Shut down… Now…
    And it is already too late to clean up the mess we have created..
    But we should start NOW..

    But an alternative is imperative, or we have no answer to offer…
    Tell people to freeze/sweat/starve without…
    It just isnt that simple….

    Oh, and I meant Alpha/Beta reactive cells, not photovoltic..


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    • Jebus Jebus

      With all due respects W8R,

      “Solar power IS Nuclear power..
      Tide, Wind, Wave..
      All powered by the sun..”

      Absolutely True.

      And if the Sun were here,
      We wouldn’t…
      We are here because the sun is there…
      We were not meant to have the sun here,
      Once we get out there, YES, nuclear is the answer…


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      • VanneV anne

        He’s talking about painting uranium on the solar cells. So even if your neighbor has solar cells, you won’t be able to get away from the radioactive decay of uranium.


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      • Jebus Jebus

        I have to clarify that last statement, just for myself!

        There is no profound reason, that is valid, to have nuclear on a planet with life.

        Nuclear Weapons?
        WTF, enough said.

        Nuclear Power Plants?
        Less than 10% of worlds power consumption, Spent Fuel, Uranium Mining, Supports Nuclear Weapons, DNA Destruction, Cancer, Accidents, Ad Nauseum

        Radiology?
        Probably would need a whole lot less of that if Nuclear were cleaner.

        It doesn’t belong on Earth. Period!

        But there is a place that it would find its reason to be.
        Space Exploration
        It came from out there, it should be used to go there.
        In fact, send it all out there if safely possible…


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    • arclight arclight

      “Nuclear research should continue…”

      the society that can use up the resources of the earth quickly can afford to do that, a world with finite resources and environment can not… money has nothing to do with that basic equation!

      just my take

      NO NUKES!!
      and i mean NO NUKES!! Capisce!!


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      • VanneV anne

        A society that throws away most of its human resources, that is to say, people, which is what unfettered, unregulated capitalism has done for centuries.


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      • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

        No matter how you transform nuclear waste, humans cannot destroy it, damnit! Considering millions of tons of waste created by one reactor, nuclear energy is simply untenable. Gordon Edwards said, ‘what nature can’t destroy, it recycles.’ Excepting small pockets and cultures with a high birth rate, human genetics will be trashed in nature’s nuclear waste recycle process. Radiation generated mutations are NOT advantageous to life (except a few) despite Ann Coulter and others’ simplistic comments about harmless amounts of radiation. We are not talking about radioactive bananas, concrete, and nominal human disease therapies here. Ongoing radiation decay, in horrendous amounts that increase background levels everywhere on the planet, will permanently poison water, soil, and air. Of course, we will be told the radiation is ‘natural, background levels’ that are ‘not significantly harmful to humans.’ We know in great gory detail what ionizing radiation does to humans. Radioactive alpha/beta particles ‘naturally’ decay for years into ongoing isotopes and gamma rays. Jacques Cousteau said radiation is what will kill the oceans. Once the oceans are dead so are we. I doubt we have any chance to save the oceans now, let alone any country, from radiation. Fast developing India and China are not going to give up nuclear power, nor is the US, Iran, Israel, or anywhere else without a serious fight. Aside from what other energy alternatives we have, what if someone told you will be given an incredibly powerful technology for producing all the energy anyone needs (insert propaganda), with just one caveat. In exactly 300 years or less, all life on the planet will be mostly dead (or wishing they were) and the earth will be contaminated for at least 40,000 years. We all swallowed the bait and now, nuclear power is in charge. I never thought this would be how it ends.


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  • Roger

    May be a very good sign, but I’m no expert just an amature rock hound. Looks like the uranium is oxidizing and mixing with other minerals back to its natural mineral forms. The grey could be plutonium or uranium that hasn’t fully oxidized or reacted with other elements yet. Likely the chlorine from sea water oxidized it. More chlorine and sulfer or other naturally binding elements could be pumbed in there to speed up this reaction. Then it can be dug up with unmanned back hoes and put in stainless steel lead line containers. May be a very good developement and why we aren’t seeing hydrogen explossions.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Too freakin late for Japan though, dontcha think?


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    • VanneV anne

      What about the transuranic by products which are very radioactive?


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      • VanneV anne

        “Transuranic waste is typically waste that is contaminated with man-made radioactive elements which are heavier than uranium (meaning the elements have higher atomic numbers than uranium on the Periodic Table of the Elements). Since they come after uranium on the periodic table, they are referred to as “transuranic”. The concentration of these transuranic elements in the waste determines whether it is transuranic (TRU) waste or low-level waste.

        “More than 70,000 containers of this waste (sometimes referred to as suspect TRU waste) were stored under a layer of dirt in the in the 1970’s and 1980’s, in the 200 Area Low-Level Burial Grounds of the Hanford Site. The intention was to retrieve the waste (which is why sometimes it is also referred to as retrievably-stored waste) at a later date when a national repository was established to accept transuranic waste. …”
        http://www.hanford.gov/page.cfm/TRU


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    • VanneV anne

      It’s a myth perpetuated by the nuclear industry that uranium in its natural state isn’t harmful. In fact, it is radioactive and very harmful to all life.


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  • many moons

    Nuclear isn’t about energy it’s about control. It’s about control over who will live. What ever form you put nuclear in you will find power and control. These elements do not combine with nature which is our basic foundation of life. He that believes in nuclear is an idiot and doe not deserve consideration.


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  • lucidf8

    Unless that camera is shielded, I would think you would see plenty of ionizing radiation artifacts on the images at 500 mSv/hr. We don’t see that, so that has me wondering just what kind of camera was used? I sincerely hope that whistleblower did not stand near that active a source for very long.


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  • Roger

    Looked up uranium ore. Grey stuff looks like uranium oxide. Yellow and orange looks like hydras uranium silica dioxide or some such. Sea salt can be broken down to chlorine(oxidizer) and sodium hydroxide. the radioactivity of uranium produces free electrons for the electro magnetic electrical current to break down the salt and water, especially at the high tempetures of the nuclear fuel. Water breaks down to oxygen and hydrogen. Some may be catalyzed to hydrogen peroxide(strong oxidizer) and along with the free oxygen molecules you’re bound do get a great deal of oxidated fuel. The sodium hydroxide that formed probably probably also reacted with the fuel to form uranium hydroxides. Maybe flooding the reacters with a sodium hydroxide, hydrogen peroxide, and possibly chlorinated water and then bleach could speed up this reaction and cool the still hot fuel down to its natural ores ambiant temperature.


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    • VanneV anne

      The salt water which comes in through the landfill and porous sedimentary rock perpetuates fission. Then there is a whole lot of plutonium there also. When they say that it may take 40 years for clean up, they are being extremely optimistic and hiding the true state of Fukushima’s nuclear reactors and SFPs.


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  • 8thandLamar 8thandLamar

    Yo…for the politically minded (or Libertarian frightened) check out this strange animal= Americans Elect http://www.americanselect.org/

    Even if it turns out to be a “mud-wrestle”(originally I’m from Texas) or worse, it might be a great place to inject some reality – a la enenews.

    http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/01/03/is-opposing-the-patriot-act-adapting-for-americas-future-or-returning-to-the-founding-fathers-yes-says-americans-elect/

    http://news.yahoo.com/american-select-223108261.html

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/americans_elect_obamas_third-party_tar_pit.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/americans-elect.htm

    Just a thought :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hightower

    this guy used to really kick it up in energy politics back in the 80s and he’s got that Will Rogers thing going on.


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  • coolio5566

    Well, seems to be the real deal.
    The stuff on that pics directly
    reminded me on this:
    http://www.spaceman.ca/gallery/albums/chernobyl/65813_cropped.jpg

    Holy Batman!


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  • W8R W8R

    To clarify my earlier statements..
    I hear “No Nuke, No Nuke”
    To agree or disagree is irrelevant..
    I do agree that Nuclear power is unsafe as currently implemented..
    That is not an issue..
    This IS MY issue….

    Nuclear power didnt put the fuel pools 60ft above ground, above the pressure vessel..
    Nuclear power didnt allow the back up generators to fall into disrepair..
    Nuclear power didnt WELD THE BLOWOUT PANELS SHUT….

    Fine to be anti-nuclear..
    But place the blame where it belongs…
    Tokyo Electric Power Corporation…

    Their lies have and are costing lives..
    They should be prosecuted…period…

    Also, I want to point out:
    Heavy metals are toxic..
    Nosebleeds, headaches, dizziness..death…
    In this area, Transuranic elements, Plutonium etc, are similar to Arsenic..
    Millions are poisoned, regardless of radiation…
    No one seems to mention this..

    Anybody got some Prussian Blue???


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    • arclight arclight

      nice to have you on board w8r .. the “scientific” etc uses of nuclear is step 2

      we are still in step 1

      and fully in agreement with what needs doing!! (specifics to be arranged!) :)
      peace


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    • Here’s what I think…

      “No degree of prosperity could justify the accumulation of large amounts of highly toxic substances which nobody knows how to make ‘safe’ and which remain an INCALCULABLE danger to the whole of creation for historical or even GEOLOGICAL AGES. To do such a thing is a transgression against life itself, a transgression infinitely more serious than any crime ever perpetrated by man. The idea that a civilization could sustain itself on the basis of such a transgression is an ethical, spiritual, and metaphysical monstrosity. It means conducting the economic affairs of man as if people (or all life forms) really did not matter at all.” — E.F. Schumacher 1973

      Small Is Beautiful: Economics As If People Mattered,
      (Chp. 4, Nuclear Energy–Salvation or Damnation? )
      ____________________

      Seems clear to me. :)


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      • arclight arclight

        hard core!! +100 chasaha :)


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      • Kevin Kevin

        Yep, he nails it there in so many words.

        Stupidist thing humanity has ever done… and there is lots of competetion for that prize.

        Centuries from now, if we pull through it all and are progeny look back at these times, I cannot bloody imagine what on earth they will think.

        By then the harnessing of natural power will be well and truly mastered as Nikola Tesla forshadowed and made great strides in achieving.

        A fasinating body of work has been ongoing now for sometime, largely prompted by the work of Velikovswky decades ago. David Talbot is the author and mythologist who holds the torch for the Electric Universe who is having a conference in Vegas starting in two days. Its fascinating, ground breaking, paradigm shifting work. See the youtube page here for the Thunberbolts Project

        Youtube channel
        http://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject/featured

        Website
        http://www.thunderboltsproject.com/home.html

        And this fascinating tale “Symbols of an Alien Sky” for your casual viewing pleasure also by David Talbot

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH7lrjixaNA


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