Fury at Fukushima: Over 1 Billion pounds of nuclear waste “will be dumped into sea” — Top Official: “The decision has already been made” — “The solution is to pour the radioactive liquid into the ocean” — Toxic radioactive water to cause devastation

Published: July 16th, 2017 at 6:15 pm ET


Kyodo, Jul 14, 2017 (emphasis added): Fukushima’s tritiated water to be dumped into sea, Tepco chief says — Despite the objections of local fishermen, the tritium-tainted water stored at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant will be dumped into the sea, a top official at Tokyo Electric says. “The decision has already been made,” Takashi Kawamura, chairman of Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc., said in a recent interview with the media… As of July 6, about 777,000 tons were stored [1.54 billion pounds]… Kawamura’s remarks are the first by the utility’s management on the sensitive matter…

The Independent, Jul 15, 2017: Radioactive waste from Fukushima power plant disaster to be dumped in sea — Water tainted with tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, is to be released into the Pacific Ocean, says the head of the company responsible for the Fukushima clean-up operation… Local residents are furious at plans to release the radioactive tritium from the 2011 Fukushima nuclear plant, which suffered a triple meltdown, into the sea…

UPI, Jul 14, 2017: Japan utility plans to dump radioactive Fukushima water into Pacific — The operator of Japan’s paralyzed nuclear plant in Fukushima has decided to release radioactive tritium into the Pacific Ocean… Technology has so far been unable to remove tritium from the water, and TEPCO’s solution is to pour the radioactive liquid into the ocean… TEPCO insists tritium poses few health hazards, but Japanese fishermen are outraged because of the announcement…

Newsweek, Jul 14, 2017: Fukushima’s Nuclear Waste Will Be Dumped Into the Ocean, Japanese Plant Owner Says — Toxic waste produced by one of the world’s worst nuclear disasters will be dumped into the sea, according to the head of [TEPCO]… Takashi Kawamura, chairman of Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), told foreign media that nearly 777,000 tons of water tainted with tritium, a byproduct of the nuclear process that is notoriously difficult to filter out of water, will be dumped into the Pacific Ocean

The Telegraph, Jul 14, 2017: Fishermen express fury as Fukushima plant set to release radioactive material into ocean — Local residents and environmental groups have condemned a plan to release radioactive tritium from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean… Around 770,000 tons of highly radioactive water is being stored in 580 tanks at the site. Many of the contaminants can be filtered out, but the technology does not presently exist to remove tritium from water… Fishermen who operate in waters off the plant say any release of radioactive material will devastate an industry that is still struggling to recover from the initial nuclear disaster…

Kyodo, Jul 15, 2017: Tepco backpedals after disaster reconstruction chief knocks plan to dump tritiated water into sea — [Tepco] backed off its tritium-dumping decision Friday after disaster reconstruction minister Masayoshi Yoshino said it would cause problems for struggling fishermen… The remarks made Friday by the Fukushima native came shortly after the chairman of [Tepco] was quoted as saying that the decision… had “already been made.” After Tepco Chairman Takashi Kawamura’s remarks were widely reported, the utility scrambled to make a clarification the same day. According to Tepco’s clarification, Kawamura meant to say that there was “no problem” with the dumping plan, based on government guidelines and “scientific and technological standards.” The statement also said that no final decision had been made…

See also: Experts: Japan “wants to just drop tanks” of Fukushima nuclear waste into ocean — Americans worried over plumes hitting West Coast (VIDEO)

Published: July 16th, 2017 at 6:15 pm ET


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  • jackassrig

    On page 8 of the report, the diagram identifies caustic as a vehicle of corrosion. Does this tank comply with NACA standard RP0472-2005?

    1.6.2 states that “examples of services that can cause ASCC, including caustic cracking, amine cracking, and carbonate cracking.” See also figure 1. “Further information about caustic cracking and its prevention can be found in NACA standard RP0403. Does the tank design comply with this standard?

    On page 9 of the report, the design temperature is 350 degF. Referring to Caustic Soda Service Chart pg. 2 of RP0403, the design falls outside of area C. The design apparently falls out of the range of the chart and the design should be using a nickel alloy. Code bust use of wrong material.

    I’m not surprised Hanford is having problems with stress corrosion cracking. Wrong material, improper heat treat, improper hardness, and general FUBAR. Nickel alloy will cost great deal more. However, the managers will get their fat bonus – substituting carbon for nickel. Johnny gets to drive his Hummer to Harvard.

    My original post flew off to parts unknown. Sorry for double post.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Breathe deep the gathering gloom,
    Watch lights fade from every room.
    Bedsitter people look back and lament,
    Another day's useless energy spent.

  • maxli, if Anne is not calling you a troll, or saying you tried to steal her credit card, then you are not trying hard enough, LOL


    The National Resources Defense Council estimated the total yield of all nuclear tests conducted between 1945 and 1980 at 510 megatons (Mt). Atmospheric tests alone accounted for 428 mt, equivalent to over 29,000 Hiroshima size bombs.

    “The main man-made contribution to the exposure of the world's population [to radiation] has come from the testing of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere, from 1945 to 1980. Each nuclear test resulted in unrestrained release into the environment of substantial quantities of radioactive materials, which were widely dispersed in the atmosphere and deposited everywhere on the Earth’s surface.”


  • Jebus Jebus

    This new evaluation is likely to prove challenging, however, as tritium is difficult to get a grip on from both a radiological and human health perspective. On the one hand, there is evidence that the risk from tritium is negligible and current standards are more than precautionary. On the other, there is also some evidence that tritium could be more harmful than originally thought.

    Or, as a health physicist who has studied tritium for years observes, in the 1970s, the EPA did not rely on any health studies in setting its original standards. Instead, the EPA back-calculated acceptable levels of tritium in water from the radiation exposure delivered by already extant radionuclides from nuclear weapons testing in surface waters. "It's not a health-based standard, it's based on what was easily achievable," remarks David Kocher of the Oak Ridge Center for Risk Analysis, who has evaluated health risks from tritium and spent 30 years at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The standard of 20,000 pCi/L of drinking water made compliance easy. "No drinking water anywhere was anywhere close, so it cost nothing to meet."

    By the EPA's calculations, the 1977 standard should result in an extra radiation dose of less than four millirems, or 40 microsieverts per year, about the amount from a chest X-ray. (A rem is a dosage unit of x-ray and gamma-ray radiation exposure; one sievert equals 100 rems.) But the standard begs the question: is tritium safe to drink?

    • Jebus Jebus

      The agency’s recent announcement in the Federal Register notes that tritium levels as high as 3.2 million picocuries per liter (pCi/L) in ground water have been reported to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) at some nuclear facilities. (A curie is a unit of radiation emission; a picocurie is one trillionth of a curie.) That is 160 times higher than the standard set back in 1977 by the fledgling EPA—and the NRC has made measurements even higher at some nuclear facilities. "Because of these releases to groundwater at these sites, and related investigations, the agency considers it prudent to reexamine its initial assumption in 1977 that the water pathway is not a pathway of concern," the EPA stated in its filing.


      From 2014…

      • Jebus Jebus

        And there is at least 400,000 cubic meters of tritiated water now in storage at Japan’s wrecked Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power complex, which suffered multiple meltdowns after the 2011 earthquake and subsequent tsunami. A suite of technologies there filter out 62 different radioactive particles created by the Fukushima meltdowns—leaving out only tritium, largely because it is difficult and expensive to separate water from water. Companies such as Kurion, which already helps filter out radionuclides like cesium, suggest that they have a solution if the Japanese want to eliminate the tritium as well. "It's up to TEPCO [the utility] and the Japanese people to decide what they want to do with that water," says materials scientist Gaetan Bonhomme, vice president of strategic planning and initiatives at Kurion. "It is a radionuclide and it does cause public concern."


    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      This is the problem; 'the EPA did not rely on any health studies in setting its original standards. Instead, the EPA back-calculated acceptable levels of tritium in water from the radiation exposure delivered by already extant radionuclides from nuclear weapons testing in surface waters'

      How can they set a standard if they dont even know how toxic it is? Note to scientists; first, test, then set standards.

      but no, theres an easier way; set acceptable levels higher than the measured contamination. If contamination goes up, increase the standards. So easy! So reassuring!

  • Jebus Jebus

    Yes and now one has to pay, in many ways…

    The oxidation of molecular tritium in mammals – September 1953

    Back when science was not so abstract

    Bacteria isolated from the intestinal contents from rats have been found to fix significant quantities of molecular tritium. The possibility that bacteria were the principal agent in the fixation of tritum within the animal body was investigated. Oxidation of tritium by tissue homogenates revealed that oxidation occurred with homogenates prepared from the spleen and intestines. Fixation by the intestinal homogenates was undoubtedly due to bacterial action. A decrease in the bacterial flora of intact animals by either evisceration or treatment with antibiotics reduced the total quantity of tritium oxidized. These results indicate that the bacterial content may be the principal agent in the oxidation of tritium within the animal body.


    Any more and it costs monetarily.

    People are dying right and left to save a bit o money…

  • razzz razzz

    Dr. Caldicott has this to say about tritium as it seems no mystery to her…


    Has anyone ever read her book or books? She must have a bunch of footnotes for references.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Radiation Impact Studies – Chernobyl and Fukushima – September 23, 2015

    A consortium of researchers coordinated by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) in Lyon, France, examined causes of death in a study of more than 300,000 nuclear-industry workers in France, the United States and the United Kingdom, all of whom wore dosimeter badges, Researchers Pin Down Risks of Low-Dose Radiation, Nature, July 8, 2015.

    The workers received on average just 1.1 millisieverts (mSv) per year above background radiation, which itself is about 2–3 mSv per year from sources such as cosmic rays and radon. The study confirmed that the risk of leukemia does rise proportionately with higher doses, but also showed that this linear relationship is present at extremely low levels of radiation.

    The study effectively “scuppers the popular idea that there might be a threshold dose below which radiation is harmless,” Ibid.


    • Jebus Jebus

      And that is mostly just external dose calculations.

      Think about it…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      wait, how can they conclude there is linearity below background if they cant test without background radiation? To say it again, if they cant test how toxic background radiation is, then they dont know how toxic it is.

      And yes, given that Busby et al find internal doses of fallout to be 1000x worse, the study based on dosimetry badges seems to have little validity to it.

  • razzz razzz

    Strange how spent fuel pools are overlooked as a possible contributors to radioactive fallout. One old pool from the 60's contains more Cesuim(s) than were ever released from all the above ground nuke testing days, combined.

    Then how radioactivity affects kids is ignored by the nuke industry. No way radioactive exposure is good for a kid during developmental years. Radiation hormesis is questionable even for adults.

    "…Radiation hormesis is the hypothesis that low doses of ionizing radiation (within the region of and just above natural background levels) are beneficial, stimulating the activation of repair mechanisms that protect against disease, that are not activated in absence of ionizing radiation. The reserve repair mechanisms are hypothesized to be sufficiently effective when stimulated as to not only cancel the detrimental effects of ionizing radiation but also inhibit disease not related to radiation exposure (see hormesis).[1][2][3][4] This counter-intuitive hypothesis has captured the attention of scientists and public alike in recent years…"

    Of course you have to take these articles with a gain of salt as the pot on the stove is slowly boiling the frogs esp. when you read within the parentheticals.

  • or-well

    The Tritium Trail
    This fact sheet was prepared by the Canadi
    an Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility (
    ) and
    Concerned Citizens of Renfrew County, November 2006
    The tritium trail starts with CANDU reacto
    rs. When non-radioactive heavy water is
    irradiated, radioactive tritium is created. Trit
    ium is a serious workplace hazard. It is a
    radioactive form of hydrogen – and the prin
    cipal pollutant from
    CANDU power plants.
    To reduce the CANDU workplace hazard, Ontari
    o Power Generation trucks its tritium-
    contaminated heavy water to a special facil
    ity: the Darlington Tritium Removal Facility.
    The tritium facility began operating in 1990. Ef
    forts were made to defray the cost by
    selling the tritium. This was controversial,
    since the main use for tritium worldwide
    (more than 90 % of the total) is as a nucle
    ar explosive material in weapons programs.
    On the open market, tritium is valued at
    about $25,000 (U.S.) per gram. On average,
    each nuclear weapon uses about 4 grams or $100,000 worth of tritium.
    Since it began operating, the Darlington Tri
    tium Removal Facility has produced about 2
    kilograms per year, or 30 kilos of tritium
    altogether – enough for 7,500 nuclear weapons.
    From Darlington, the tritium is shipped to
    AECL’s Chalk River Laboratories. AECL
    is equipped to handle large amounts of tritium; it re-packages the tritium into smaller
    containers and ships them to processors
    such as…

  • SadieDog

    "But across much of farm country, a dispute over a common weed killer is turning neighbor against neighbor. The furor surrounding the herbicide known as dicamba has quickly become the biggest controversy of its kind in U.S. agriculture, and it is even suspected as a factor in Wallace's death in October, when he was allegedly shot by a worker from a nearby farm where the chemical had been sprayed.

    Concern about the herbicide drifting onto unprotected crops, especially soybeans, has spawned lawsuits and prompted Arkansas and Missouri to impose temporary bans on dicamba. Losses blamed on accidental chemical damage could climb into the tens of millions of dollars, if not higher, and may have a ripple effect on other products that rely on soybeans, including chicken.

    The number of complaints "far exceeds anything we've ever seen," Arkansas Plant Board Director Terry Walker recently told lawmakers.

    Dicamba has been around for decades, but problems arose over the past couple of years as farmers began to use it on soybean and cotton fields where they planted new seeds engineered to be resistant to the herbicide. Because it can easily evaporate after being applied, the chemical sometimes settles onto neighboring fields. Some farmers illegally sprayed dicamba before federal regulators approved versions that were designed to be less volatile."


  • PlowboyGrownUp

    A while ago big earthquake, 7.7, Bering Sea Russia.

  • SadieDog

    John Lennon, 'Working Class Hero'. Obe, you'll dig this one. Enjoy. 🙂


    CO2 Hits 742 on July 12, 2017

    Series of 8 NASA photos, with graphic


  • q Farthington MacMananus

    "Tokyo Electric backed off its tritium-dumping decision Friday after disaster reconstruction minister Masayoshi Yoshino said it would cause problems for struggling fishermen trying to recover in Fukushima Prefecture.

    The remarks made Friday by the Fukushima native came shortly after the chairman of Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc. was quoted as saying that the decision to discharge tritium-tainted water from the Fukushima No. 1 power plant into the sea had “already been made.”

    After Tepco Chairman Takashi Kawamura’s remarks were widely reported, the utility scrambled to make a clarification the same day."



    10°C or 18°F warmer by 2021?
    Skyrocketing emissions

    That same time and day, a little bit to the south, at a spot in Sierra Leona, a level of carbon monoxide (CO) of 15.28 parts per million (ppm) was recorded, while the temperature there was 40.6°C or 105.1°F. Earlier that day (at 13:30 UTC), levels of carbon dioxide (CO₂) of 569 ppm and of sulfur dioxide (SO₂) of 149.97 µg/m³ were recorded at that same spot, shown on the bottom left corner of the image below (red marker).


  • q Farthington MacMananus

    True story, some months ago, I bitched about Tritium to a bunch of clever guys (not nuclear scientists though), but certainly not idiots. They believed tritium to be harmless.

    Then I bitched about tritium on an article at a local site here in south africa, I didn't get any support there and was quite regularly trolled by nuke shills.

    So, tritium is safe, right?

  • DUDe DUDe

    Sorry abit OT

    He feared for his live but commited "suicide"..like so many before him that feared for the same reason/enemy
    Haiti Official Who Exposed The Clinton Foundation Is Found Dead

    The mainstream media’s silence over Klaus Eberwein’s death is deafening.

    Eberwein was a former Haitian government official who was expected to expose the extent of Clinton Foundation corruption and malpractice next week.

    He has been found dead in Miami at the age of 50.


  • DUDe DUDe

    What Role has Israel played in the Refugee Crisis?

    Refugees flood Europe. Terror spreads to the rest of the world. And bankers line up in anticipation of more military spending. ~ Phil Butler

    Europe has been content to blame its current societal and economic decline on malfeasant leaders like EU Jean-Claude Juncker, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, or France’s ex-president François Hollande. If the people of Europe only knew the real actors behind, Israel would not be unscathed in this whole Arab Spring charade. Yes, Europe has the Israelis to thank for sapping what’s left of the EU’s strength. Here’s a story you won’t read in the New York Times, but one the Wall Street Journal will hint at.

    Israel, surrounded by enemies, is one of a handful of neighboring states that have been totally unscathed by these wars and revolutions. Meanwhile, millions of refugees flood Europe. Terror spreads to the rest of the world. And bankers line up in anticipation of additional military spending, trillions in reconstruction costs in Syria and elsewhere, and the economic loans half a hundred nations will soon need.

    The EU is sinking under austerity and added pressure from this crisis, and somehow nobody looks at who is benefitting? If there is any real justice in the world, then Israel’s role in all these conflicts will be revealed.


  • DUDe DUDe

    Macron: Anti-Zionism Is a Reinvented Form of anti-Semitism

    July 16, 2017

    Bibi embraces his new puppet. Macron could not have made his supplicancy more obvious if he had fellated Bibi in front of the Arc de Triomphe.

    [Editor’s note: Macron is showing his true colours as a thoroughly compliant stooge for the Judeo-Zionist organised crime cabal. The term ‘anti-semitism’ has long been weaponised and used to defame anyone who dares to criticise the Zionist criminal enclave known as Israel; by stating that criticism of Zionism and Israel is a new form of anti-semitism, Macron is doubling down on the weaponisation of language on behalf of his criminal Zionist masters.

    By kissing up to Israel, and the Zionist criminals so blatantly, Macron is staining France’s dignity just as much as Petain’s Vichy did in WW2. Clearly, France is now completely under the thumb of the Zionist crime cabal and will follow whatever agenda has been laid out for them, so do not be surprised if Macron involves France in the Syrian debacle in the near future and expect France to staunchly support Israel at every opportunity. Ian]


  • q Farthington MacMananus

    I can't find the video Dana said he'd post. No man. How am I supposed to get through all this nuclear crap if I can't smile and be reminded that everything is fine?


    Now: USA – Deadly Flash Floods in Arizona


    note..this same area just burned up…

    • razzz razzz

      I don't know why park rangers couldn't alert the visitors and clearrd the area. Extreme weather was in the forecast. And you have to remember the downpour took place 5 or 8 miles away in a side canyon that feeds the main canyon where people lost their lives.

      I don't expect anyone to look up and be able to see a thunder cloud cell rising up 50 or 60 feet but there is a thing called weather radar used by airports and others with computer programs that kept track of severe weather. A phone call could have cleared the area.


    Lake Ontario?

    The Army Corps of Engineers estimated that roughly four trillion gallons of rain water has flowed into Lake Ontario. The lake is now more than 30 inches above normal, the highest it has been since at least the 1950s.


  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Less than 1 day left for comments about EPA regulations.


    Less than 4 days for ICRP something or other.


  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Did not know this:
    "The radioactivity from this gas ionises the air on a large scale and this has a number of knock on effects. Since water molecules are attracted to ions in the air, ionisation triggers the large scale condensation of water. "


    Many times the "fog" in the air blocks webcam images at the FDNPP. Especially the JNN TBS cam http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1989:tbs-jnn-fukushima-live-web-camera&catid=248:radioactive-news-10-february-2012&Itemid=260

    TBS/JNN cam is now "off-air" Here is an example of the fog http://caferadlab.com/thread-2002-post-3992.html#pid3992

    I remember incessantly griping about it.

    • SadieDog

      Why is the sun hotter in the Bahamas than S.carolina, Georgia or Florida? Why do people get sunburned faster?

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Isn't the Bahamas closer to the equator?

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        you will get sunburned @ 7000'asl pretty quick as well.

        • SadieDog

          Depends on what mountain you are on. …Proximity to the equator.

          • DUDe DUDe

            I guess it will always makes a calculatable difference from local ground zero..directly related to difference to the Sun Sadie..

            • DUDe DUDe

              And thinner air protection and so on as a plus

            • SadieDog

              But it makes a much bigger difference than it should, 93 MILLION miles away? I knew this was bullshit when I was 25. The needle moves back and forth. From the Arctic(polar bears yes), to Antarctica(Polar bears no). Think bout it. The moon follows the sun in a slightly different path and moves up and down while it's going round and round. The moon and the sun must be similar distance and similar size to creat the eclipse that is coming next month.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                full on unrelenting idiot. If you are this stupid for real, at least be smart enough to realize this is why you get called a troll

                • SadieDog

                  I see no rebuttal.

                  • SadieDog

                    You see, I don't know, I just tell what truth I know. I may be wrong but I'm not calling anybody names except that asshole FM. Please, I would be g
                    Ad to have a civil discussion about posted subjects. Just making it clear.i will debate. Not name call.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      "Polaris.doesn't move fuckstick? Have the constellations changed on recorded history assface?"

                      Oh really?

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Well, there goes your honesty thing.

                    • LOL, if you wish to debate, you need to have facts, and argument, or spidey sense, which you have none of.

                      I am so glad GOM is back.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      OK Sadie, if you are for real on this, not just pulling peoples leg or being a troll, we can get you whatever information and proofs you need. You may have to use your noggin from time to time. The best way to start would be getting two round things of different size…a ping pong ball and a big round balloon…and start playing a little before sunset time. It will hopefully give you some basic ideas about perspective and highlights and shadows on spheres. To get technical, you could get three balls with the same size relationship as the sun moon and earth. The same proportions. You need something pretty big for the sun…three feet or more in diameter. Draw a circle on a wall, since you arent concerned yet with sun rotation…except for the sunspot snafu

                    • SadieDog

                      Debate me pussy. Ask me a question, you pathetic little boy.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  But I WILL give you this; its practically a miracle that the sun and moon are the same size as seen from earth.

                  An experiment you can try in your yard; get a big three foot beach ball and put it at the far corner of the yard. Now take a BB…or a pin with the round pin head…and closing one eye (make sure you look through the open eye, not the closed one) hold the pin in your hand and move it till you can blot out the beach ball. This illustrates an important aspect of perspective you were apparently never exposed to intellectually; things look smaller the further away they are

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            How do you explain the tendency for things to have volume and be shaped spherically (in terms of geometry, involving gravity), how are you going to explain the earth's multi-axes rotations?

            Water does curve, btw. Even at a local scale, check it out. Just one drop of rain.

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              That was maybe not worded so well, but I consider linearity a degenerate perspective of non-linearity.

              • q Farthington MacMananus

                I'll say it again, zoom out far enough, looks like a sphere. Zoom in far enough, looks flat.


                • q Farthington MacMananus

                  What I do know is, clearly there are mountains and valleys. Concave earth ftw, in other words.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    mountains are convex, valleys concave and you seem to be a nut. Ill give you and Sadie this though…earth is flat at light speed

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Yes, mountains are convex, and valleys are concave.

                      Sorry if the terminology I use isn't what you'd expect.

                      In dealing with meshing/geometry, it is common to name generalized compounds concave or "non-convex".

                      I agree, it's not entirely correct. It is impossible however to have a spherical earth or flat earth, as those are purely convex.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      And even mountains aren't strictly convex.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth you are talking gibberish if you are referencing euclidean geometry…since nobody is conversant with other types of geometry, you are still talking gibberish. Hyperbolic gibberish

                      Types of geometry;
                      Projective geometry. Arc (projective geometry) Desargues' theorem. …
                      Affine geometry. Affine space. Affine transformation.
                      Finite geometry.
                      Differential geometry. Contact geometry. …
                      Non-Euclidean plane geometry.
                      Angle excess.
                      Hyperbolic geometry. Pseudosphere. …
                      Elliptic geometry. Spherical geometry.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I actually know most of that stuff, practically. 🙂

                      Didn't try much geometric algebra though.

                  • SadieDog

                    Take sea level for example. On a globe, there is no sea level. It's called sea – level.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      What's up with the tides and shit, sidereal seas and all that?

                    • SadieDog

                      Boats and ships do not disappear over the horizon, with a zoom camera lens they can be brought back into focus.
                      And I promise I won't do this every night. But we are there, so… Let's do it.

                    • SadieDog

                      What do you feel? Maybe the record is slightly warped. Makes sense the moon would drag the tides if it were much closer but who knows. Wobble?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      please google images for 'telephoto image of ship disappearing over the horizon'


                      You really think you can see Beijing through your binoculars? Thats far out. LSD will help bring it into focus

                    • SadieDog

                      Distraction. Again, no argument. I bring an honest heart soaked in truth. No debate. No argument against it yett. Truth doesn't need defending because it is the truth. I may be wrong but so far… I'm your huckleberry!

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      So I have water system where I can add stuff to the water as it pumps out to the irrigation. last year I started adding a little garlic to the dispenser tied to the water system. I used powdered garlic so that it would dissolve easily when it is in the water dispenser.

                      So this spring I go out and I just kept this plastic bottle of garlic out on a shelf exposed to winter temps and sunshine etc. So I picked it up this spring to see how much garlic was left and somehow it had formed itself into a ball on its own.

                      Funniest thing and the garlic still smelled good enough to use this year in the dispenser. Felt a little gooey though like mud or something.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      obewanspeaks, noticed your garlic mention. There's this stuff here, it's called society garlic. Grows easily, mostly throughout the year, keeps pests away, great alternative to typical garlic. Very strong mix of garlic and onion flavour.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Yeah yeah, it's OT. But here's a link. Love this stuff.


                • SadieDog

                  For the record, I don't know if the earth is flat.(this will be ignored), but I know the sun and moon distances are complete bullshit. And no living thing from earth has ever left low earth orbit and lived.

                  • q Farthington MacMananus

                    "For the record, I don't know if the earth is flat.(this will be ignored), but I know the sun and moon distances are complete bullshit. And no living thing from earth has ever left low earth orbit and lived."

                    It won't be ignored (not by me, anyway), I agree with some of that.

                    • SadieDog

                      Thanks for at least listening.

                    • SadieDog

                      I'm not asking to be agreed with. But I see things that I know don't thatch with the pop news. I see. Things. Watch the moon and the sun. Don't judge me until you do that for 10 years.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, how far away are the sun and the moon?

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      CS, honestly, the sun is right here. The moon, I dunno.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Does that make sense? It doesn't? Oh well.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Here are a couple of quotes from some girls/women, personally directed at me.

                      "It feels like the sun"
                      "Is the sun going away?"

                      Understand that?

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      ".I agree with some of that.."

                      Can't you just say what and what not instead of making it all suspense and stuff..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..CS, honestly, the sun is right here.."

                      Right where ? Maybe you were pointing at something whilest typing ?

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      I'm out..too "far out" for me..

                    • SadieDog

                      Still no debate?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Farth, the entire universe is only in your head, if you are speaking of awareness, concept, or perhaps actually,..your head being just in your mind etc. But here we have Sadie denying round planets, the solar system and galaxy and everything. This while we are trying to expose the nuclear industry. Yep, ENEnews is (correctly) labeled a nut house. Thanks for wasting our efforts. At least Annes stuff SOUNDS plausible to the average reader. You…your grammar gives you away…you think we should let you get away with your wallpaper muckity muck?

                    • SadieDog

                      Code, how far way are the sun and the moon?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      DUDe, if this isnt a perfect example of trolls working together to swamp a forum with waste, I dont know what is. They could even be AI

                    • SadieDog

                      "But here we have Sadie denying round planets, the solar system and galaxy and everything. This while we are trying to expose the nuclear industry. Yep, ENEnews is (correctly) labeled a nut house. Thanks for wasting our efforts" say sumn. Because you just lied… Bold face!

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Sorry, my dog was a bit sick so I gave it some pudding which everyone here disagreed with. He seemed to like it.

                      Anyway, CS, you can't contain me.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Sadie asks how far way are the sun and moon. If you are sincere, should you be answered, considering the sources of information at your finger tips? If you are a troll, should you be answered? If you are a mentally handicapped person…that is the only time I think you should be answered, with care and patience. So do you want me to answer or no?

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      They kept on feeding him like wheat, rice and shit, and he kept on getting sick, his stomach even exploded once (which he remarkably recovered from).

                      So I figured, tired of consensus knowledge.

                      Gave him chia seeds, mango, pear, bananas, honey and coconut cream and milk pudding.

                      Sounds horrible right?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      theres where you are wrong Farthington…I have a gas impermeable jar for farts. Long term storage remains the problem…nobody wants it

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I so regret I engaged. Eff this place

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      "Farth, how far away are the sun and the moon?"

                      Come on CS, you can do it. Or maybe you can't.

                    • SadieDog

                      Yeah, yeah, so I say. Code os a pussy.on this day, Tuesday, July 18, 2017. Sadie Dog for truth!

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Here's a clue CS, calculate the distance between me and you. Then figure out why it diverges.

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "DUDe, if this isnt a perfect example of trolls working together to swamp a forum with waste, I dont know what is."

                      I have no rational defense to that observation Code..

                      Except maybe there been some small imperfections influencing the course of this "debate" in the first "engaging" post by some?.:(

                      I dunno..

                      "I so regret I engaged. Eff this place"

                      I hear ya..

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      And I don't really mind lying, tbh. But the intention. That's the part I'm trying to figure out.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Sorry, meant to reply to SD's "I don't lie" statement, which is bullshit.

                  • danger kitty danger kitty

                    Sadie, the constellations do change…very slowly. It's called the precession of the equinoxes. Was accounted for by Hindu astronomers but not western until Columbus convinced Ferdinand & Isabella earth is round by showing them a chicken egg, so they would finance his voyage. Thus native American culture was almost lost.
                    Sun big & far away. Moon small & close. If moon doubled in diameter or was closer, eclipse would look very different. Longer totality.
                    And this–>"Earth turning, solar system turning, galaxy turning, all together hurtling in one direction through space."…sounds like we're in a race to get somewhere. I hope its a good place. And there's cupcakes & hot chocolate at the end . Plus catnip & a warm lap. Peace. Night to all.

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            The mountain thing has to do with atmos. density. UV

            How do ya draw an equator on a pie?

            Why are the days longer/shorter, seasons more pronounced the farther from the equator ?

            Can a pie do that?

            • SadieDog

              Like I said, without utube, imagine a record lp, the arm/needle moves from about 20% in to 80%, them moves back. I'm not saying its fact but it makes more sense. The north pole is the hole in the record. What is outside the edge of the record? Nobody knows. Every question doesn't have an answer. So is it wrong to ask them ?

            • DUDe DUDe

              ".The mountain thing has to do with atmos. density. UV."

              Thanks for the correction AST..


    Amid climate concerns, nuclear plants feel the heat of warming water

    List of USA’s nuclear power plants badly affected by extreme heat


    • razzz razzz

      That is funny because the issue comes up every summer as the nuke cooling exchange heats up the local river waters to point they have to shutdown due to intake (cooling) water being to warm. That's while the local fish are dying from to warm of water but that is a another issue.


    Anyone felling the effects of ground ozone? Or O2 displacement?
    Same thing I guess..

    It was so bad yesterday, I stayed in because there was hardly any O2. Not even a breeze. Nothing was moving.


  • dan dan

    Here's a stupid idea:

    Instead of testing nuclear bombs continuously, why not think outside the box.
    You elect to follow a career in politics, you get your very own minuscule explosive device which you carry. The other side has the fire button. If said button is pressed to get rid of you, a red light flashed momentarily before the small bang. This allows time for the target to initiate a likewise retaliation against the button pressed. Two politicians retired. No further need for nook testing. The politicians instantly all become perfect gentlemen.
    Peace in our time.

    • razzz razzz

      Might work for a sane person on a good day but North Korea's leader is a bit irrational for MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).
      [On the other hand, I wouldn't mind if he targeted the IRS]

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        It would be far more hilarious if Trump targeted the IRS, financial institutions (insurance companies, etc). But what are the chances?

        • DUDe DUDe

          The Federal Reserve Bank !

            • razzz razzz

              I want you two to stop picking on the Federal Reserve Board.

              It was a fine idea to have regional areas with banking heads to move money around from the stronger banks to the weaker banks to keep a supply of money on hand during bank runs until things settled down and local economies improved.

              Wouldn't you know it, Congress then forced the Federal Reserve to buy war bonds (which they then had to sell to the public) to fund a war. That policy was kept in place by morphing into other things the Federal Reserve is still forced to buy, like today's bad paper mortgages or pay banks interest on deposits at the Federal Reserve that were suppose to go towards the public as Congress plays hide the debt salami up the taxpayer's butt.

              Even left as originally intended, the Federal Reserve can't set policy because they can't control the consumers, so they only follow and pretend to set things like % rates after the fact that consumers (you) decide which way to drive the economy with their spending or not spending.

              • DUDe DUDe

                You must be reading different sources razz..is our "modern" economy model based on the creation of debt or not ? Is debt a form of enslavement or not ?

                • razzz razzz

                  They call it unfunded liabilities i.e. social security, medical, government pensions (USPS, etc.)

                  There was a balanced budget not so far in the past, so it can be done but the military sucks up the majority of the tax dollars, never to be seen again.

                  SS only went into the red, I think, this year.

                  Don't confuse some evil and nefarious doings by the Federal Reserve when its Congress that controls the purse strings or better yet the US military. Congress simply spends more than they take in. Haven't had an approved budget in over a decade.

                  If the US fails, it will be because it spent to much and had to default on its debts, sending it back to the dark ages. Happens all the time, past, present and future.

              • earthsmith earthsmith

                Federal Reserve was a great idea????
                Yeah sure…if your a slimy greedy money grubbed sure that makes sense.
                Pretty naive to think they don't drive policy…who do think congress is listening too…you? Ha!
                F$$k the Federal Reserve and all their bitches…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                The federal reserve…they set interest rates and distribute bonds to banks that pay a nice 6% dividend and gives the banks a claim on the Fed’s annual profits. Wait…profits? They set interest rates like thats a normal thing to do. Wouldnt it be nice…you give out money you dont even have and they pay you back extra which you pocket? Thats the sweet deal about usury…its money from heaven. …or is it? Three pound brain ape-man cant figure it out.

                Usury (in the original sense of any interest) was at times denounced by a number of religious leaders and philosophers in the ancient world, including Moses, Plato, Aristotle, Cato, Cicero, Seneca, Aquinas, Muhammad, Jesus, Philo and Gautama Buddha. For example, Cato said:

                "And what do you think of usury?"—"What do you think of murder?"

                • razzz razzz

                  So naive. Federal Reserve sets the rates when reviewing statistics that are old and lagging and after the fact when private bonds are already leading and are the telltale. Feds simply follow.

                  Congress told the Feds to take on deposit any money the major banks wanted to park while being handed out by Congress to supposedly stimulate the economy. The big banks park the money at a local Federal Reserve bank and get 1% or so for doing nothing with it or loan it back out at 3% to 20% or more. A nice spread. Congress told the Federal Reserve to take deposits from foreign banks and give the same 1% or so interest rate when those bank were charging local customers for keeping their money in those banks (a negative interest rate to the customer esp. in Euroland). But that might be considered an action of the world's reserve currency, the US dollar, where countries can only purchase oil on the world's open markets after converting local currency to US dollars.

                  Federal Reserve profits only pay operating costs and salaries, the balance is sent to the US Treasury Department.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    you dont get it…they set interest rates for the whole buddy banking system. The banks lend money they dont even have. Nice no? I could lend you a million bucks and get that 3 to 20%. You know, I dont see poor bankers walking the street. Making money on money…its like leverage…you get a stout log, place the fulcrum for leverage, stand on the short end and quickly run to the other side to raise your standard of living. A stupidity. More for you means less for me. Why cant people figure this out? Normalcy bias and an inability to think beyond about 2 steps. The money you 'make'…where does it actually come from, what does it represent?

                    yes, yes, obviously POOLING money, working as a team and mechanizing can increase the efficiency of production…but that has nothing to do with usury, which is just a skimming of other peoples wealth. And thats what the federal reserve does, it makes a normalcy out of something which exists nowhere else in nature. Imagine having to repay the air with MORE oxygen, give the sun back MORE than what shone upon you, spit back more water than you drank from a spring. Your economics makes a normalcy bias out of redistributing wealth. Might as well just bypass the formalities and take some furniture and jewelry… Usury…think about what it really means

                    • razzz razzz

                      I was only blaming Congress for things like usury being reinstated and manipulating the Federal Reserve at will.

                      The Feds might follow rates for public banking but trading markets set their own like failing countries selling their own government bonds. Risky yes but there are safer corporate bonds backed by tangible assets if a failure occurs, governments nothing.

                      Congress will screw us when rates are so low that retirees can not depend on savings interest and are forced to borrow. Then when economies heat up, rates are raised (lags the corporate rates) makes government debt more expensive which the taxpayers have to payback usually leading to a default in the long run.

                      Then how many said all this big bank money giveaway would cause inflation? Don't underestimate the power of debt as debt sucks up any extra cash available and people stuff their mattresses waiting to spend. Both take money right out of the system preventing inflation.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      razzz, the monetary concepts obscure the view. An example; debt balances the money give away? Printing more and more money MUST devalue it. Stuffing mattresses? Savings is only a part of the cash flow…a diminishing one.

                      Interest income on retirement savings? Not in a closed system…called earth. Example; a mouse stores a chunk of cheese in an interest bearing account. Every day he munches, but the cheese grows. How does that happen? It doesnt happen. Money was the intermediary that bamboozled the people. Store beans and clothes and wood for construction instead of money and this magic would not take place.

                      a visual….the interest on debt is about as big as expenditure on food and transportation

                      Its a line that goes directly into your blood vessel, draining you of a good life…thats what ape-mans brain cant see. Sure, if the world population kept growing forever, you could kick the can down the road to future generations indefinitely. The reality is different.

                      the yellow shows that simple math eludes or is denied by those that profit from the system

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Ive got a plan razzz, Im sure we can make this work; I will lend money I dont have to you, and you lend money you dont have to me, we will both live good lives with the borrowed money, and on the interest we charge each other, we will actually MAKE money, becoming rich in the process. This will work out well for getting hot cars and women and a house with a view

                • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                  Yes, but they control it with inflation. 😆
                  Maybe 'mess with your mind' is more appropriate.

                  That way you feel really good about being screwed multiple times, multiple ways.

                  Variety is the spice of life.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    $5000.00 per hour for a pair of pliers and a few drugs..sounds like inflation to me or just plain in your face robbery..what the market will bear..that is a good one.

                    If your an American ..80% of you may bend over.. repeatedly.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Bend over, grab ankles, grit teeth.

                      Say I go buy(trade?) a 'silver eagle' $1 coin for $15. A good deal?, maybe, it will always be 1 troy oz. of silver.

                      Then I go to the bank. I have 2 choices.

                      Safe deposit box, go get my loot when the bank is open(or in business). Their is no insurance on this risk.

                      Deposit the $1 doubloon, receive FDIC full faith insurance, and when I return they will give me my $1 face value. Thanks 🙁
                      14 bucs for insurance. 😆

                      Tip-buy Canadian 1oz 'maple leaf', $5 dollar face value,if your so inclined to buy,,,money. 😆

                      Uncle Sam Scam I Am

        • razzz razzz

          I think he tried that with repealing O'bummer care (actually a bunch of add on IRS taxes), at same time trying to pull the rug out from the health insurance monopoly that the bankers support. Turned into a Congressional keystone cops episode, "Yes we will. No we can't."

          Careful or he might get a bullet to the back of his head in a suicide attempt.

    • DUDe DUDe

      Not a bad idea dan..but i would have a microcapsule inside their body..non removable and nonexplosive..just releasing a dose giving a miserable death in 24 hours..less casualities
      Storage of the "waste"..pentagon and every other pronuker on the planet's kitchen..

  • SadieDog

    Wow, genius Code chooses to insult someone asking for one honest debate and says fuck enenews! Maybe he can't think for himself and must be able to rely on someone else's research to look smart. Fuck you code. Don't dig me if you cant or won't have an honest conversation. Use your tenure wisely my friend. Did I say he?

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    So much for CS's integrity, maybe CS, cooter and stock will try to demonize HHD some more. Maybe I will rip them to shit.

  • SadieDog

    FM, I don't lie here. Everybody lies. If you can show me me instance of me lying here, I'll leave.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Good, good. I will show everyone. Notice the timing.

    "You see, I don't know, I just tell what truth I know. I may be wrong but I'm not calling anybody names except that asshole FM. Please, I would be g
    Ad to have a civil discussion about posted subjects. Just making it clear.i will debate. Not name call."


    "Polaris.doesn't move fuckstick? Have the constellations changed on recorded history assface?"


    "Yeah, yeah, so I say. Code os a pussy.on this day, Tuesday, July 18, 2017. Sadie Dog for truth!"


    Now isn't that interesting, went off the rails a bit?

  • Chronic1 Chronic1

    Man made fission could be a natural extention of nature, Like computer circuits or plastic. All come from source, we just have the cunning to manipulate form. As Alan Watts intimated that humans role might be to create fission and therefore turn planets to stars. Do you know ? You don't. As far as death and suffering are concerned that's what's in the doing (karma). This is the way it is, who are you to say its wrong. You can't even comprehend self without stain. Understand these words are ego profane, the one isinseoerable.

  • Chronic1 Chronic1

    Man made fission could be a natural extention of nature, Like computer circuits or plastic. All come from source, we just have the cunning to manipulate form. As Alan Watts intimated that humans role might be to create fission and therefore turn planets to stars. Do you know ? You don't. As far as death and suffering are concerned that's what's in the doing (karma). This is the way it is, who are you to say its wrong. You can't even comprehend self without stain. Understand these words are ego profane, the one isinseperable.

  • razzz razzz

    Now whales will be blamed for leaving a carbon footprint.

    'Sperm whale'

    "…It has been stated that sperm whales, as well as other large cetaceans, help fertilise the surface of the ocean by consuming nutrients in the depths and transporting those nutrients to the oceans' surface when they defecate, an effect known as the whale pump.[145] This fertilises phytoplankton and other plants on the surface of the ocean and contributes to ocean productivity and the drawdown of atmospheric carbon…"

    'Photographing a Superpod of Sperm Whales'

  • SadieDog

    Fuckin A. See how the mice run for their corners? I will not bring flat/lie earth up on a regular basis here. But all I asked for is an honest debate. Which I did not and never get from the likes of Stock and Code. Why? They don't have one. Will they wait till I'm not here? Yes.then the name calling and labeling will commence. Why? They aren't honest. Prove me wrong. Show I've lied to you. Peace to all the real people. 🙂

  • SadieDog

    For my friends, Dude, GOM, razz, freeby, Roger, Hillbilly, Heart, Obe, Horse, , Bo, Clamsheller, All the camera watchers, any everybody else who is real. I didn't mean to leave you out. It's late. I will shout your names from the rooftops when I remember them. Rock on enenews, please listen, I picked this especially for you. SD, 🙂

  • SadieDog

    … Down the river, earthsmith, Uni, Mack, maxli,

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Anyway, since there was a lot of bullshit posted recently.

    Let's get back to addressing the nuclear stuff (I'm sorry but I don't recall who mentioned this).


  • q Farthington MacMananus

    OT but…This is not good, huge coronal hole, followed by rather large sunspots. That would be a significant differential. Hope they're not unstable.

  • SadieDog

    FM , death is easy. It's living that's hard.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Come on SD, been court-ordered into a mental ward, with like 5 cops in your room? Lived with a steroid user/attempting meth dealer in your house? Seen what the psychs try to project? Been abused by your own family? Fucking looked at society lately? How about that SAD diet? Have blind father you basically have to look after, while also living with a down syndrome child that's been abused? How about those scientologist fucktards? They don't know a fucking thing, asking me for advice WHILE in a mental ward. People trying to tell you about their sickening consensus societal horseshit, then they wonder why it results in sikcness? These people sell fear and nuclear horseshit, subjugation, convoluted legalese, supposed patriotism etc.

    How about, I'm not your average fucktard and I destroy? Sound good?

  • rogerthat

    Various ''experts'' inclluding the IAEA have been softening up the public to accept the dumping of all fukushima's radioactivity into the oceans and the rest of the environment as the ''best'' solution ''in the long term''.

    this has been another way of telling people that fukushima became part of the earth's environment in march 2011, that we are forever contaminated, and that the levels of contamination will keep on rising indefinitely

    alll they have done for the past six years is put lipstick on a pig

    a few of the people directly in charge have had the grace to admit that they dont know how to fix fukushima.

    i think people are right to be outraged. but over anything but the very, very short term all this stuff is going to end up in the ocean and the environment, no matter what they do. the best they can do is delay it for a few years.

    in my humble opinion, of course lol

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    "Massive amounts of radiation-contaminated water that has been processed and stored in hundreds of tanks at the plant are hindering decommissioning work and pose a safety risk in case another massive quake or tsunami strikes."


    Oh shit, a portent.

  • Sol Man

    What appear to be stars are just holes poked into the dark curtain between us and the other room where the light is left on.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension devoid not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, the Twilight Zone!

      Imagine if you will, a room where anyone can freely enter through any number of doors. Inside are about 30 people…they talk, joke…and fight an enemy that cant be seen felt heard or tasted. But something very strange is happening here; there is no day or night, you see no people, hear no voices…you reach out and your hand bumps into a monitor…you begin to realize…your whole world now exists in two dimensions and your only contact is via short paragraphs you must repeatedly send to make contact with the others

      But are the others real or just computer algorithms created especially for you….do you have a real purpose fighting your invisible enemy or are you simply part of an experiment?

      The shock of realization hits you like thunder…you lurch for the door out of this place….but there are no doors. You turn off your monitor and gaze in the darkness at the stars, but upon closer examination they are just tiny holes in the wall. You listen intently and hear a faint conversation…

      "How is that ENEnews Self Awareness AI program going Robert?" "well in some ways it exceeded my expectations Rod…we have distinct sub routines that seem to have a self identity. Its just a 2D program but already we have endless streams of interactive AI going on. The only problem is that its…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        its just producing endless gibberish. Perhaps its time to pull the plug on this and move on to phase three" You hear the flip of a switch…and your mind starts to close in from the periphery until only a tiny dot remains…then in a flash, you are flung in every direction of time and space, spread evenly through everything that ever was or will be. You are nothing…and everything…a timeless twilight zone…the end result of Roberts 2D ENEnews AI experiment

        • SadieDog

          Wow. You should cll that post 'Gibberish'.

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          Shit, I thought I ate a bad burrito or something.

          Suckin' air and passin' gas, a professional goal.

          Give me enough time, I'll suck the 'pale blue' outa the sky, and stick it in a bottle for ya.

          Or fill up yer light bulbs.

          It does get a little dim in here from time to time, maybe there is a brownout, it is summer. Lots of load.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Sol Man…the moon does rotate around its axis…about once a month, the same time it takes to circle the earth. Why the synchronicity?


  • Sol Man

    ION- in other news. The gas and oil industry should prove that the voc's that are pumped into their frac wells does not migrate from the super high pressure well to the low pressure atmosphere through the strata, cracks, sand and gravel deposits, etc., where it may then collect in sewers, wells, under foundations, then to find it's way into the structures through cracks, or seams between the basement floor and the foundation walls.

    If this accurately describes the movement of the vapors then it is occurring everywhere. There may be more "mysterious" structure fires/explosions.

    OT, maybe

  • How precious, SD with 50 retorts against the FM disruptor.

    Surely, "real admin" would not allow this to continue for months, much less even hours.

    • SadieDog

      Go fiuck yourself Sock. We all know you want to destroy enenews so your pathetic site can get more hits. You said so yourself. Your what we call 'toast'. And willard make it my job to remind people of this whenever you show your stupid, also spoiled, no good piece of shit, face around here. The nerve.

      • SadieDog

        * wow, way off. I will make it my job… Oh yeah. fM reminds me of you. Living off mommy and daddy. Spoiled. Either an on.y child or the youngest. My bet is only. Never had to work for anything, ever. Don't make me post the comments you made.

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