“Game Changer”: Fukushima cesium releases likely 20-30 times higher than revealed (AUDIO)

Published: March 28th, 2013 at 11:14 am ET


Title: Hot Air
Source:  Fairewinds Energy Education
Date: March 28, 2013

At ~9:00 in

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Chief Engineer:  When there’s no liquid inside the containment, there’s no capture of the cesium. So whatever cesium was inside that containment was leaking out of the containment. […]

Well that changes the game dramatically. Instead of 1% of the cesium, it’s likely that 20 or 30% of the cesium were released.

At that point, that’s very similar to what we saw at Chernobyl. So I’ve been saying the Fukushima accident was very comparable to the Chernobyl accident […]

They’re trying to claim that only 1% of the cesium got out because that’s what the old tests showed. What the old tests showed don’t match this slide 67 (right), the infrared picture. The infrared picture shows hot radioactive gases being released directly out into the atmosphere 9 days after the accident.

It’s a really important discovery and I hope that the people doing dose assessments will understand that they’re not dealing with a reactor containment that had water in it. They’re dealing with a reactor containment that had hot gas in it.

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Published: March 28th, 2013 at 11:14 am ET


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19 comments to “Game Changer”: Fukushima cesium releases likely 20-30 times higher than revealed (AUDIO)

  • patb2009

    there were 2 great lies promulgated after the tohuko quake.

    1) that the cores were not in meltdown

    2) that the containments were fine.

    that lead to laughable assertions like "These containments were designed to explode" and
    "This incident is much smaller then TMI".

    sadly these lies still rattle around.

    When i did a back of the envelope analysis, i decided this event was 10X chernobyl.

    I think Arnie is underestimating this,

    • We Not They Finally

      "How many times Chernobyl" actually depends who you talk to. Some said that IF unit 4 topples, it's "85 Chernobyls." Leuren Moret (who is pretty knowledgable) says it's already been (without that eventuality) "300 Chernobyls." But we do have some baselines: Like out of ONE Chernobyl, THE Chernobyl, one small reactor compared to four large ones at Fukushima (and they moved as quickly as they could with that to try and encase it in concrete and boron, also no MOX fuel, and way less spent fuel), to this day, 26 years later, only 20% of children in Belarus are considered "healthy," and even those 20% are considered to carry the genes of "unhealthy" for their children to come. So Japan, with a WAY greater release of radioactivity, has effectively wiped out its future population. Then there is the sea and the air and the earth and the rest of us…. Maybe not as badly damaged, probably not as quickly, but not looking good….

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Arnie underestimates all the bad news, but releases data that puts him in a more favorable position than the Japanese.

      As said before, he walks a fine line in order to keep his information flows open.

      If anyone does have accurate dispersal information, we'll never see it.

      It's enough for me to know that this is an ELE, that is has already seriously affected my circle, and that my time is short.

      • Usefulbreather

        How much time do you think we realistically have until the health effects force the MSM to report the facts and not the spin?

        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          I think the awareness of the radioactivity in the debris coming ashore on the NA West Coast will break the media logjam, well before anyone allows them to discuss the significantly increasing rad health effect numbers, carefully controlled by the CDC. Researchers won't jeopardize their grants, and all medical licenses can be revoked.

          Although Fukushima is a hot topic at medical conventions and symposiums.

          The MSM is the most tightly controlled, and therefore the last to break.

          And there is no question there will be significant deaths and debilitating health issues before then. Doctors will treat to the best of their ability, without informing the patients what is truly wrong with them:

          'Electronic Health Records: Doctors Want to Keep Patients Out"'


      • PavewayIII PavewayIII

        I don't have accurate dispersal information, but I have a pretty good idea where it ended up.

        1. The Abukuma River watershed (South to North through Fukushima)

        2. The Agano River watershed (West of Fukushima)

        3. The first km or two of the ocean off the coast

        Japanese government coverup is essential. 1.3M people depend on the Abukuma for drinking and crop irrigation water. The people must not find out high the strontium and cesium levels are. They would riot.


        Fortunately (for the Japanese government), the people are easily fooled by their 'studies'. They just look for something that's not there. This one measures dissolved cesium in the river. The trick is: cesium barely dissolves in fresh water.


        Other tricks:

        – Measure the coastline deposition from sand samples (cesium binds to silt and clay, not sand)

        – Take a 10cm or 30cm core sample from the bottom (most of the strontium and cesium will be in the top .5cm and get averaged away)

        – Keep tossing in 'analysis' for irrelevant radionuclides like Iodine (would have decayed beyond measurement by now)

  • weeman

    Let's hope that Arnie is wrong this time, the implications are mind boggling for the Japanese people and the pacific ocean as 80% fell in ocean, I have ararm bells going of in my head and it is getting louder all the time, for whom the bell tolls US, DONG.

  • We Not They Finally

    It gets weirder and more impossible to follow. The last statement was 300% as opposed to 1%. Now it's 20-30% as opposed to 1%. What does this all mean in terms of AMLOUNTS and in terms of where it goes and what damage it does? This may not be Gundersen's fault at all, but all along, the best we can seem to get is very scary estimates.

    • weeman

      Two different things first refers to the exchange of air inside containment daily, ie 3 times a day with all contaminants, the other is the release of cesium, tepco says 1% and Arnie 20 to. 30%, because water is a moderator but once the water reaches boiling point it can no longer capture the cesium, as proven by infrared picture of plumb at temp above boiling point, that points to no water in containment or drywell or it would not have reached this temp, I hope I got that right please correct.

  • Sol Man

    wntf, this is because there is not one iota of good news about this stuff being loosed up the world. No.

  • Nuclear technology is complicated. Even studying nuclear pollution and plume dispersal requires study in weather patterns on top of half lives, noble gases and a myriad of variables nobody understands. So its easy to lie and misrepresent.
    The bottom line is after so many nuclear bomb tests I would be surprised if they didn't have a huge data file on dispersal rates, rate of particulate ground cover, reaction with weather systems, jetstreams. etc. But that info won't help them in their efforts to make us look the other way. A panic on the West Coast would depress real estate markets and depress the economy. No cancer or illness especially years after Fuku can be 100% blamed on any nuclear meltdown due to reasonable doubt in the court systems. So stock up on vitamin c and pain killers if you can. 10 year old Scotch would also be good to stock up on…………

    • redwing redwing

      "A panic on the West Coast would depress real estate markets and depress the economy."

      And the economy is absolutely vital to those in the news media who use that power to take us into war after war for the benefit of Israel. They will let us all die horribly before ever sounding the alarm and then scuttling any chance they have of destroying Iran, Syria, Egypt, etc.

      Monsters all around us.

      • saltyfishlvr

        This is just the beginning! That 900 mile long wave of radioactive water is going to turn the coast into a nuclear waste dump. The question remains, what will our government do about it? They will protect the money, making sure it is business as usual for the economy, while infusing the medical industry with a relentless stream of sick people.

  • pepperland pepperland

    I haven't much knowledge concerning the machinations of a meltdown, I wonder shit like "when are these coriums going to burn-out" Is the answer 300,000 yrs ? Q. If they hit the water table are they going to possibly explode. Are these mammels in southern Cal already feeling the wave of cesium thats on its way to the west coast. Thanks to everyone on ENE for sharing your thoughts, research, and time. Here is a good article on a positive development concerning cancer treatments: http://www.alternet.org/drugs/anecdotal-reports-anti-cancer-effects-cannabis-oil-pile-doctors-stress-need-document-its

    • Well, Michio got out his stopwatch and timed the whole thing from beginning to (non) end:

      Michio Kaku: "A Meltdown is Forever"

      [Uploaded on Mar 18, 2011
      Physicist Michio Kaku joined Studio B to talk about the efforts underway to cool the nuclear reactors in Japan. ]

      Somebody twist one up and pass it around.

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        Yeah really! pass it this way (IF it was grown indoors that is!!?) ANYTHING capable of taking the "edge" off of post 311 life would be welcome right about now! 🙁 BTW, they used to say that "cockroaches & rats would be the only thing to survive in a radioactive world", little did I know that cockroaches & rats would be the ones who irradiate the world to begin with??!!

        • weeman

          You can't put the genie back in the bottle but you can still put grass in your bong, I recommend bottle water as a moderator.

  • Mack Mack

    It's time to rate Fukushima a 'LEVEL 10' on the International Nuclear Event Scale.