Gov’t Test: Cattle feed at California dairy farm had 300 pCi/kg of radioactive cesium after Fukushima; 9-month gap between when sample harvested and when received by lab — New UC Berkeley study reveals over 3,500 pCi/kg of cesium deposited on nearby roadside

Published: February 15th, 2014 at 5:43 pm ET


Measurements of Fission Products from the Fukushima Daiichi Incident in San Francisco Bay Area Air Filters, Automobile Filters, Rainwater, and Food, Dec. 27, 2013: A variety of environmental media were analyzed for fallout radionuclides resulting from the Fukushima nuclear accident by the Low Background Facility (LBF) at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL) in Berkeley, CA. […] An asphalt berm (curb) along the downslope edge of the road protects the slopes below from rainfall runoff from the road surface. […] Typically, the sieved material represents at least 80% of the total collected material. For analysis, these sediments are packed into one of the same counting containers as are used for soil samples. These procedures were followed for the samples listed in Table A.5 [right].

The June 9, sample result was 132.4 Bq/kg of cesium 134 + 137 (3,579 pCi/kg).

California Department of Public Health (pdf):

Winter forage vegetation at the California dairy farm had combined cesium 134 + 137 equaling 0.299 pCi/gram or 299 pCi/kg.

Cesium-134 levels would be even higher than reported due to the 9 months of radioactive decay that took place before testing occurred (37.5% into its 2-year half-life).

No reason is stated for the 9-month gap between when  the vegetation sample was harvested and when it was tested.

View more California milk testing results here

Published: February 15th, 2014 at 5:43 pm ET


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  • razzz razzz

    Someone tell the dumbass ExpertNuc to get over here and put another fire out, quick.

    • GQR2

      For real razz,i'm not even the slightest religious in any way. And this headline when i read it. Made me say "oh sweet mother of god"

      Its been 3 years now. Its going to be awful hard to keep all the cancers,childhood diseases explained away. Its right on schedule. Hope those in denial enjoyed their 3 yrs. Life on earth will never be the same,what survives that is.
      Dairy…its a very good time to go vegan.

      • Questionit

        Well (blank)! Found good goat cheese at a great price from an east European market (Bulgaria). Then found out Cherbynol polluted that country heavily. Been buying non California cheese, now may have to give it up.
        Have been trying to avoid California produce but it can be hard to determine which state the products come from. Now prefer Florida, South America and farmers markets during harvest seasons.

        It appears there are instances where a company has someone make the cheese and they just distribute it. But it is not clear who made it or where they are located.

        Now I need to know where the beef and chicken was raised.

        Complicated. Will say, if I hit the lottery I'm gone to South America in a flash. Not free of contamination but better than here, for now.

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          "Will say, if I hit the lottery I'm gone to South America in a flash. Not free of contamination but better than here, for now."

          Hi, Question.

          Don't be too sure about it being safer down there. See the huge post coming to the Gen Dis Thread. Almost done. It is going to take a ship load of hassle to post it all piece by piece, but it revolves around this subject that keeps coming up. South America.


          • Questionit

            Will do. May not like what it tells me but this is a subject at the forefront for me.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Jah, JamesT, I think Wynd (?) posted re: Arto Lauri out of Finland the other day. Checked out one of his vids. Very hard to undestand the interpretation from Finnish, but gather there are plans to use massive land areas all over the world for uranium mining and disposal. It has shifted from the "traditional" places like U.S., Canada, Australia, and will in the future be Africa, large swaths of Southern Eurasia, India (Thorium reactors, waste storage), and parts of South America. A portion of southeastern Argentina showed up on that map. But very hard to understand what Arto Lauri was getting at, and the maps and map legends, graphs were all in a non-English language. Sure would like to get ahold of good translations of his work. He's really on the geopolitical and economic ramifications of all of this, and the global resource utilization. (Arto Lauri)

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              JT, was that what you referred to? Or something else?

              Someone made a comment about contamination after S. Hemisphere above ground weapons testing & contamination in the S. Hemisphere, esp. S. America. But they made reference to a beach in Brazil known to have NATURALLY OCCURRING high levels of radium and uranium. Made the mistaken assumption since those elements were there in beach sand, it was from weapons testing fallout.

              Not! But who knows if dumping or somesuch activity has occurred since we in the N. Hemisphere tend not to analyze things down south a lot, and don't have access to a lot of the info. due to geopolitical, language, culture reasons plus media info. not disseminated here in U.S., Europe, "OECD" countries.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Don't understand NOT.

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  Syke, just curious, what didnt' you understand? Was the whole thread hard to follow (I can see why it might be.) Thanks. HT

                  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                    Should I read it thus:
                    Made the mistaken assumption since those elements were there in beach sand, it was from weapons testing fallout. Not!

                    Ergo, weapons testing fallout is not part of the sand?

      • jec jec

        Gee..wonder if the 40% increase in California childrens' thyroid cancer numbers in 2012 is REALLY due to pesticides. Guess if they are using cesium as one of the components (sarcasm). could also be the use of fireretardants in children's clothes. Of course, if there is a 40% increase in cancer–dont you think someone should be yelling blue murder?? The parents should be told of the increased percentages.

        For the parents, likely they are told..only less .1% chance of thyroid cancer in your child..wonder how it happened??? Any child with thyroid cancer has a 100% case! So the cesium tests..what ELSE was in the samples..PU? Of course the I-131 would be LONG gone..

      • StPaulScout StPaulScout

        GCR2 – "its a very good time to go vegan." and the cows pick up the radiation from their food. Same farms you get your vegies from, same general areas. No, eating is now a contact sport….

        • GQR2

          so true and horrible when one starts to wrap their minds around the whole "food chain" thing. Its everything. Growing indoors is gonna to become a boom industry. StPaulScout its devastating to realize layer by layer radiation is forever,cumulative, it bio accumulates exponentially, not decreases.It doesn't get washed away it just gets moved around. my patience is thin for purposeful deniers. They are complicit in the perpetuation of murder and deformity into a perpetuity and a future that has been severely maimed and robbed from all life forms on this globe. and though blunt, we know its not an exaggeration.

          There is solace in truth. Like what a blue sky looked like. Some of the children have to be told. Told what happened here on 3/11/11. Massive amounts of radiation hemmoraging into the atmosphere every minute of every single day. There is no technological solution. Something is learned here everyday.

        • rogerthat

          Mahatma Gandhi was on to something: eat little and seldom.

      • razzz razzz

        Too bad they waited to release their findings to the general public. This is like two years later. The last thing dairy and produce farmers wanted to be known, bad for business.

        Cows are bioconcentrating the grasses which contain fallout. Goes into the milk, bones, meat, organs, everywhere. And if the cows are in the midst of a fallout cloud, like in Fukushima, they inhale air and drink water containing the fallout too.

        Eating California meat and produce such as grapes, strawberries, animal products, all grown in fallout conditions, it begins to add up. The Sierras have a lot of peaks over 13,000 feet high and clouds get their moisture laden with fallout squeezed out before they can move over the tops of the mountains. Then you get the double whammy of runoff from mountain streams adding back to the aquifers used to irrigate farmlands.

        The peak amounts of airborne fallout has passed but the residual will be around for hundreds of years. Then there is the Daiichi ocean borne plumes to contend with in sea life and if concentrated enough, in sea spray. It's all going to add up.

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          Yes, Raz.

          It is sad to finally realize our food is hotter than our already hot environment here. It is all California foods in most stores that we get here. Even in the supposedly organic stores.


        • StPaulScout StPaulScout

          Razzz – "The peak amounts of airborne fallout has passed…"

          I wouldn't be so sure about that. Very difficult to say with any confidence just what may or may not happen at the power plant site. If something tips over and spills or starts on fire, another MASSIVE radiation release could occur.

    • tbg

      He had a soccer game to referee.

      • GQR2

        He took his dinner break and began again and extroidinarily aggressive hostile and rude. Should tell us all something. Its not the way the site operates. People here are polite. He needs to be ignored. posts of any content feed these miscreants they feed on reaction of any type like the juvenile mentalities they have. And they do work in teams. tag teams. They need to eat more tomatoes.

    • michmom michmom

      February 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm · Reply
      Rice recalled after reactions ins kids- "The food and drug administration is warning against eating Uncle Bens rice products served at schools, restaurants, hospitals and other institutions after children in three states had skin reactions and other symptoms limked to the rice.
      Mars Foodservices of Greenville, Miss., is recalling 5 and 25 pound bags of rice. The bags are mostly sold to food service establishments but are alsoavailable to consumers over the internet.
      Uncle Bens ready to eat, boxed, bagged and cup products in grocery stores have not been recalled.
      Reactions included burning, itching rashes, headaches and nausea."
      The Times Herald- Port Huron Mi pg 8A Feb 11,2014.
      A very small snippet in the bottom corner of the newspaper.

      Also, a planned nuke dump 3/4 of a mile from Lake Huron in Kincardine, Ontario. Front page of same paper-feb 11,2014.
      Its business as usual and not too many people seem to get the real gravity of the nuclear nightmares.

      Report comment

      • Au Au

        michmom, if you are a member of netc, we can pm each other. I'm in mi too. Let me know as I have a different moniker there but if you had the same moniker I could pm you and we could swap local info.

    • Yoichi Shimatsu thinks things are far worse than any media leaks we run across these days…

      quick read please watch video when you get a chance…

  • FallOut FallOut


    March 28th, 2011

    Three types of plutonium have turned up amid the radioactive contamination on the grounds of the earthquake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, its owner reported Monday.

    The plutonium is a byproduct of nuclear reactions that is also part of the fuel mix at the damaged No. 3 reactor.

    • ExpertNuc

      Plutonium 239, Pu 240? What were the isotopic ratios?

      • FallOut FallOut

        Smoke meet gun …..

        If the samples were contaminated purely from the MOX fuel rods in Unit 3, the observed/expected ratios would all be close to 1. The first thing that strikes you is how this the ratio is for cobalt-60. Co-60 is a neutron activation product. It results from neutrons interacting with structural elements like steel. The neutrons might come from neutron-emitting radionuclides like curium and plutonium. Or they could come from a criticality. Since the ratio is 20 times higher than expected, we can safely say that the cobalt-60 resulted from a supercriticality. This is yet more evidence (if any more is needed) that Unit 3 blew up in a nuclear explosion.

        Cesium and iodine are the most volatile elements from the nuclear fuel. That means they get released first with increasing heat. The other nuclides beside Co-60 all have ratios far below 1. So the debris that went into the jet stream was not the fuel rods themselves, though it was contaminated with it to some degree. If the explosion blew the MOX fuel to kingdom come, the debris would contain 25,000 times as much plutonium than was found in the fragments.

        There was a nuclear explosion at Unit 3 in March 11. I believe that it was triggered by a hydrogen explosion. It occurred very early in the meltdown process, which is a fortunate thing for the northern hemisphere.

      • FallOut FallOut

        What isotopic ratios from the Unit 3 debris fragments tell us about the explosion there. ?

        Quote: Bobby1

        Tepco has published a pdf which contains analyses of radioactive isotopes and minerals in 4 samples of this debris. These analyses can tell us a lot about what happened at the Unit 3 explosion, what the state of the corium was, where it was, if it had melted through the containment at this point.

        This is very important because debris went sky-high, and likely entered the stratosphere and the jet stream, and made its way to North America. The spent fuel pool fires and other reactor meltdowns caused contamination to enter the jet stream also, but not to the degree that the Unit 3 explosion did.

        The Tepco pdf indicates that the samples contain an enormous amount of radioactive cesium. They also contain antimony-125, silver-110m, cobalt-60, strontium-90, curium-244, americium-241, and various isotopes of plutonium, as well as other radionuclides. This makes it the most dangerous material found at Fukushima so far. We do know from the FOIA documents that fuel rod fragments are out there too. We will see that these samples are not from the fuel rods themselves, though.

        • FallOut FallOut

          And I bet we had criticality underground a few months back like the leaked story said.

          • I always find Bobby's analyses brilliant, but I do have to pose the question whether we can trust the data since provided by Tepco?

            At this point, it's ( ie, complete inventory ) all going to circulate. The unanswered question is how fast?

            • rogerthat

              Do we trust the data provided by Tepco? I would think it's completely trustworthy, as long as you remember to multiply by 10, 100, 1000, pick your poison.

            • FallOut FallOut

              I thinks so, even what he was working with proved things bad. Really bad.

              Now if you could start making long term projections. What did the neutron beams do to the other pools on site ? How much steel on site is kicking off gamma ? What about cesium doubling overnight, if the pacific has been hammered like it has, polar bears in the north arctic, ect … longer term projections.

              If you look at Chernobyl, the cloud was vast, if you project fuku, much of the waste from the pools everything dumped into the pacific from the sky, then you factor in the 600-1,000 tons pushing through the aquifer. The pacific I think will be totally destroyed much faster than anyone thought possible.

              I wish someone could take this brutal information we have been getting the last 6 weeks and push it forward the quickening of the situation.

  • bozzy54

    Testing….9 months…. Tasting the metal for a week in my mouth was test enought for me.

  • GQR2

    This is not a one time event either. It circles the globe every 40 days in the jet stream,the ocean currents. It will only measure higher in hot spots. This is devastating information (though not unexpected here)it may take many many people by surprise.

    • atomicistheword

      "This is not a one time event either."

      Anyone with half a brain does risk analysis when designing a potential human event product.

      operational power disruption
      Atmospheric consideration (carrington event)

      Seems to me that none of these basic requirements have been met!

      There is a Fukushima awaiting in America called the devils canyon. Same reactor, same location profile, unstable land. No carrington event plan.

      Round and round the Fukushima plume goes, it could be substantially worse!


      New treatments for cancer are in development, there is hope, but not if more events occur. They should make a movie called "Fukushima the last lifeboat"

  • tsfw tsfw

    We're so screwed.

  • Daisy207

    Fast forward – if they had sampled soil from other farms that grow produce that is shipped all over the US and elsewhere – how much was in the harvested and sold lettuce, grapes, wine produced from the grapes, carrots, strawberries, blueberries, tomatoes, celery, avacados, multiple salad greens, mushrooms, eggs—– and on and on – one type of produce after another? How much is currently in the soils and currently being deposited in the soils – and what is the uptake into the produce? What is the safe level of plutonium in lettuce? Cesium in Lettuce? Uranium in Lettuce? And hundreds of other metals and nucleides in Lettuce? What is the tritium (water) level in the lettuce and every other plant that incorporates water (tritium) in their structure? What on earth was fed to Americans across the country. I live in Maine – why in the hell am I getting lettuce or anything else from California or anywhere on the west coast. Wonder if they served this stuff at the White House?

    • The US 'safe' level is 1,200 Bq/kg.

      Japan is 100 Bq/kg

      CODEX is same as US level, international standard..

      So Japan can ship the stuff that is illegal to serve in Japan, due to it being contaminated with radiation and it is legal to import into the USA..

      Hint; buy a pancake detector, and test everything, especially if you have kids and pets.

      • vital1 vital1

        Food testing is needed, but we need an educated public to understand the risk levels, or they will do this.


        We have to do more than just comment in these forums. The more people we educate the sooner change will happen.

        Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is
        quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf or create your own, hand it out, mailbox it, Facebook it, Twitter it, or email it. Think outside the box, put it on public notice boards, hand it out to people, or put it into letter boxes when you go for a walk.

        Or use this resource Chemfood has created, and all you need is a printer, scissors, some thumb tacks and … walla! We all are info dispersers as well! Put them on notice boards everywhere in the community. Get your local church or community organisation to help.

      • Songie Songie


        299 pCi/kg of cesium. Is that 11 becquerels/kg? And Japan only allows 100becquerels/kg in a YEAR? So, if you followed Japanese guidelines, you could only drink approx ten glasses of milk in a YEAR and then you'd be at your limit?

        math is not my strong suit.

        Can anyone tell me, is this correct??

        Please correct me if I'm wrong….

        • no, that is 100 Bq/kg for as many kg as you can eat per day.

          Or in the US it is 1,200 Bq/kg, unlimited amount per day.

          • rogerthat

            How did the US come up with a ''safe'' limit of 1200 bq/kg for food? Simple, ask the nuclear industry what's going to be easily achievable. That is how it's been done in the past, and the fact that ''safe'' is now 12 times higher tells you what's on the menu post-Fukushima. It also makes one a bit alarmed about drinking water, where the definition of the ''safe'' level of tritium was raised by a teensy weensy bit more than 12 times, if i recall.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              "How did the US come up with a ''safe'' limit of 1200 bq/kg for food?"

              Tossing darts at a board… 🙂

            • We Not They Finally

              The EPA raised ALL the so-called "safe" levels to lethal some time back. And there is no testing ANYWAY. Remember, Gina McCarthy was made head of the EPA after she did such a "great" job of turning off all the monitors following Fukushima. Formerly with the Office of Radiation Monitoring.

              It's a national disgrace. And it could turn national health into a nightmare.

              • We Not They Finally

                But obewan is right. These were "dartboard" numbers. Reckless, irresponsible, criminally negligent dartboard numbers.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Protective Action Guidelines (the official EPA guidelines) were changed sometime in 2013. Go to the EPA website, type "PAGs" in as a search term, and it should bring up links to the PAG's. My may have to hunt for the older version. I think that version came out in 2005 or 2006. Much lower "safe" thresholds back then.

      • ExpertNuc

        I thought you said there is 'no safe level' and now you are stating a safe level. Well "Dr." which is it?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          There is no safe level of radiation. Obviously, governments are not protecting the people.

        • We Not They Finally

          He never stated any "safe" level — that's just what governments wrongly do. You made that up. Deliberately. Which is REALLY unappreciated.

      • Daisy207

        "the US 'safe' level is 1,200 Bq/kg. Japan is 100 Bq/kg"

        I just can't get my arms around these units and believe me I have tried. I get Bq/Kg though I would rather see the components reported in mg/Kg first so I know a concentration. Are these "safe" limits per day? per serving? Per month – say can I drink a gallon of milk at these levels every two days or every week? I can't find a good conversion program that converts Bq/Kg to micro Sv/Hour. Will the experts here just do one conversion for me and I can take it from there.

        • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

          You can find conversions if you need to…just search…

          But if you want the truth…there is no safe level of man-made radionuclides. I repeat: There is no safe level of man-made radionuclides.

          There never was. It was always a lie. The notion of a "safe level" or a "safety limit" is a pure fiction, created only because it is 100% impossible to "contain" man-made radionuclides.

          Even the notion of "contaimnent" is the exact same type of lie. Mankind has never, and will never create a permanent containment for these materials. The only thing that will ever do any "containing" of these materials is the biosphere of the Earth.

          These governments, companies, and individuals who are/have created these materials know/knew that if people found out the truth they would revolt until the last breath. It was a simple, "legal" formality to fabricate a term such as "allowable limit" to convince the majority of the population to cease gathering their own information on the subject, and relinquish control to an assumed authority (who they believe know better than they, and believe would not do them intentional harm).

          Nuclear technology can not exist without exposing innocent people who gave no Informed Consent…and in practice we see that, in fact, the exposure is global and forever.

          The bq/kg counts are–though pertinent–just factoids. The truth is, you will never take another safe breath, sip, or bite for the rest of your tortured life due to…

        • It is called a 'permissible dose' and it is NOT safe. See as reference Goffman's work, Mueller's, Mousseau's, etc

          The trick is to hide the full dose, which derives from the range of radionuclides and genotoxic elements present in the sample.

          EPA and FDA action levels are typically codified and executed in relation to the dose from a sinle radioisotope, such as cesium 137, with no accounting for the actual combined dose from uranium, plutonium, etc also present in the contaminated item.

          We should not have to eat nuclear waste but we are…

          • Socrates

            Eat now, get cancer later. This is the toxic algebra of nuclear energy.

            The nuclear industry can externalize or socialize the true costs of nuclear energy by deferring recognition of the damages to the commons (environment) and population. Meanwhile, they privatize the profits.

            A certain amount must be paid for lobbyists, public relations, and campaign contributions. Use of the revolving door, or descent from heaven, as they call it in Japan, helps regulators rotate into government from industry and visa versa.

            The best investment an industry can make is to presidential campaigns. No regulator can protect the public from this system unless industry pays the full amount of the present value for destruction to people and the environment. The industry could charge higher utility rates so that it could insure against the responsibility for the damages. This redistribution of risk in nuclear energy is impossible because we all know the damages are close to being infinite for all intents and purposes.

            The nuclear industry is an out-of-control vampire destroying the ecosystem and the human genome. The machine is allied with the military industrial complex and the global power it represents.

            No insurance company or reinsurance companies would ever underwrite the trillions in potential liabilities. So they stick it to consumers and wreck the ecosystem that supports us all. It is robotic and automatic, yet deadly.

          • You are correct.. should never have used the word 'safe'..

            It is the 'permitted' dose.

            Quotes From Famous People About Nuclear Energy And Low Dose Radiation Dangers; via @AGreenRoad

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          "Will the experts here just do one conversion for me and I can take it from there."

          Hey, Miss Daisy.

          See if this help you.


        • HoTaters HoTaters

          EPA measures short term ingestion effects. For the FDA, longer exposure times are considered when assessing risk.

    • mairs mairs

      You get lettuce from the states where the growing season is longer, and they can grow cool-season crops like lettuce in the winter.

      • Daisy207

        I'm referring to brands of Lettuce labeled "Foxy" or "Dole" showing as processed in California – so I assume it is grown there. I know Dole has big plantations on Hawaii for things like pineapple – which I no longer use, or macadamia nuts. Same for celery and assorted salad mixes, carrots, onions, etc. My lettuce season lasts until it gets above 85 outside – then it bolts and goes to seed. I guess I will just have salads until the weather gets too warm.

  • FallOut FallOut

    Throwback – Where Did the Water in the Spent Fuel Pools Go?
    March 27, 2011

    Unlike the cooling systems for the reactor core, the pumps for these pools typically don’t have backup power, so once electricity from the power grid was cut off, the pumps stopped operating.

    As long as the water, even though boiling, continues to cover the fuel rods it protects them from damage. But once it drops far enough to expose a meter or so of the rods, the exposed sections can become hot enough to damage the cladding on the rods and release radioactive gases. If the fuel continues to heat up, the cladding can begin to burn, which produces hydrogen. If enough hydrogen collects above the pool, it can explode.

    Since Japan has reported the level of heat generated by the spent fuel in the pools, we can estimate how long it would take for the water in the pools to boil off and begin to expose the fuel, assuming there were no leaks.

    Dave Lochbaum has suggested a common failure mode for leaks in the spent fuel pools. Large doors in the side of the pools are equipped with rubber tubes that are inflated to seal around the door. Even if these seals were not damaged, without power to run the pumps that keep the seals inflated, they can lose air over time and create leaks around the door. Such leaks may not show up immediately since it could take some time for the seals to lose air pressure.

    Details of the calculation


    • FallOut FallOut

      …. " But the times in the table indicate that boiling of the water in the pools would take much too long to account for the low water levels and exposed fuel reported at the spent fuel pools in Units 2, 3, and 4. So something else must have caused the low water levels. " ……..

      About the author: Dr. Wright received his PhD in physics from Cornell University in 1983, and worked for five years as a research physicist. He was an SSRC-MacArthur Foundation Fellow in International Peace and Security in the Center for Science and International Affairs in the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, and a Senior Analyst at the Federation of American Scientists

      • Couldn't be broken or cracked fittings, and pipes due to earthquake…

        Nope, didn't happen….. despite the fact that the earthquake exceeded the design basis for the plant by orders of magnitude, and despite the fact that workers reported seeing pipes breaking and water gushing out of them..


        • FallOut FallOut

          see eg: p.17

          4. Cladding Embrittlement and Hydrogen Release

          Hydrogen may be stored in the cladding due to hydrogen uptake during a period of steam-starved oxidation6,7 and then be released during a quenching period when the cladding may crack due to thermal stresses in cladding embrittled by a combination of oxygen and hydrogen uptake.7,8 The embrittlement of the cladding decreases its ductility to the point that the stresses induced by a temperature gradient during quenching may result in cracking of the cladding.

      • ExpertNuc

        A phd in physics from Cornell doesnt make him an expertnuc. Most "phyicists" from Ivy League schools end up in policy, think tanks, or government, and not really versed in technical applications. Its "philosophy" to them for a reason.

        • FallOut FallOut

          …. " Large doors in the side of the pools are equipped with rubber tubes that are inflated to seal around the door. Even if these seals were not damaged, without power to run the pumps that keep the seals inflated, they can lose air over time and create leaks around the door. " ………

  • Fukushima: Hawaii And Arizona Dairy Milk Test Up To 800% Higher Than Safe Limits; via A Green Road Blog

    It is amazing that milk tested higher even though the US is thousands of miles away from Japan. Hawaii is only 500 or so mile away, which may be why they got a higher dose.

    • mairs mairs

      Hawaii is 4,100 miles away from Japan. It is the most remote major island group in the world.

    • rogerthat

      Increasingly popular is the use of the term ''within safe limits''. This is obviously meaningless unless the story says what the allegedly ''safe'' limits are. And of course, everything in the US is now ''well within safe limits'' because the limits have been lifted sky-high. Wouldn't it be nice if one fine day just one of the many ''scientests'' and ''experts'' in the world turned their attention to the subject of what is meant by the term ''safe'' and who decides what is ''safe''. Who sits on the committees that determine what is ''safe''? How did they get to decide? How can their concept of ''safe'' be reconciled with the self-evident truth that THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF RADIATION'?
      Finally, why should anyone accept this line of bullish*t for even one more day?

  • Speedy

    Just a warning …. I took my Inspector usb into the grocery as store today and passed on sweet peppers (all colors) and broccoli..both rang above background…I had it turned on, sitting in the baby area of the cart and when I got to the seafood area she started singing, cpm went up 15-20 and back down as I went down the next isle. The same thing happened in the rice isle….I did not do timed counts so take it for what it's worth..I had some questioning looks but no one asked questions and I know they could hear the click…clickclick…click

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Love it. I've been dying to do that but someone else has my counter. If I was the guy that had the 500+ cpm hamburger meat I'd love to take it back to the store, with the meter and put on a show for everyone there. Ya reading this socref? Ya! I'd hold it up for everyone in the store and say, BEHOLD! I AM BECOME DEATH! DESTROYER OF WORLDS!

    • Daisy207

      I don't have an inspector but I do have a geiger counter. I can collect snow off of my car on a paper towel – put the towel and snow into a plastic bag and run my counter over it. I get only a slightly higher number of counts than background. However, when I put it inside the bag – it starts to beep a lot – but the level doesn't move into any kind of danger zone – However, this is my question ? My counter should not read alpha at all – so why would a plastic bag seem to filter out other types of radiation. Could it simply be a function of distance. My counter reads in both micro sieverts/Hr and mR/hour. My background is less than 0.5 micro Sv/Hr. The snow goes up to between 1 and 3 micro Sv/Hr. Again, not high but higher than I want to see.

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        What make/model counter is it? Yes distance matters with a "point" source. The inverse square law applies which basically says for example, a doubling of distance will give you a reading of 1/4 the previous amount.

        When surrounded by radiation, it obviously doesn't matter so the inverse square law won't apply.

        • Daisy207

          It's a Sper Scientific model 840026 Calibration is to gamma for Cs 137 at 1mR/hr – or 10 Micro Sv/Hr – range 30 kev to 1.5 mev. Its not digital but I thought for longevity use – it was better to purchase electronically as simple as I could. It was not real inexpensive – around $300. I know it really works when I put it near some antique painted pottery. Is there someone else using this model – or know someone who also has it. Just for information – I threw out a whole box of raisins – the meter jumped to 0.1-0.3 mRem/hr and clicked away. Fortunately I found a box that I had bought a few years ago and lost in the back of the cupboard – it was just fine. Christmas cookies were saved.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Couple of points. Face things to the slotted area (where the mueller tube is) as best you can to limit the amount of plastic in the way. Also, for things like a paper towel, roll it up into a cigar shape to match the length and width of the tube to get as much of the tube to cover the material as possible. Other material you measure should be of sufficient quantity to cover the lenth of the tube. Important point: don't contaminate the meter. This means keep it away from what your measure either by space or very thin plastic like a sandwich bag. Don't touch your counter with contaminated hands. If you contaminate your counter, it's sensitivity will be reduced since it'll always see that contamination (till the contamination is at end of life).

        • ExpertNuc

          Inverse square law is a simplistic application. You need to include attenuation and buildup factors, if you in fact know what those terms mean.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Then supply the information shill. Or is all you're going to do is flame-bait all the posts every couple of minutes? Please, supply some useful information.

    • mairs mairs

      What is background radiation in your area?

      To me 15 to 20 cpm seems low, but I'm not an expert. I average 44 cpm background in New Mexico, 30 miles from Los Alamos. My lowest has been 21. I'm just trying to find out what sort of "average" is ok!

      • Daisy207

        I'm not sure – NETC shows CPM gamma counts as around 200 in the Portland Maine area – less in Bangor. The CPM's don't mean much unless you know the energy range for the recording instrument.

        • ExpertNuc

          You need a calibration source to determine what the CPM means. If you dont calibrate it to a standard, it could mean anything.

      • ExpertNuc

        You are right. You are no expert.

        • FallOut FallOut

          This guy is.

          There is some evidence that the Chernobyl core went prompt critical and the second, large explosion was a fission explosion that consumed 0.01-0.1% of the fissile core material. That is why the power excursion was so large. (Pure and Applied Geophysics 167 (4-5): 575-580 DOI: 10.1007/s00024-009-0029-9)

          • FallOut FallOut

            " Chernobyl’s reactor 4 was a 1.5 megawatt design and yet readings at the end read 33 gigawatts(34 gW by another account). "

            • FallOut FallOut

              Comparison of estimated results with the experimental data showed the value of the instant specific energy release in the Chernobyl NPP accident to be 2·105–2·106 J/Wt or 6·1014–6·1015 J (100–1,000 kt). This result is matched up to a total reactor power of 3,200 MWt. However this estimate is not comparable with the actual explosion scale estimated as 10t TNT. This suggests a local character of the instant nuclear energy release and makes it possible to estimate the mass of fuel involved in this explosion process to be from 0.01 to 0.1% of total quantity.

          • ExpertNuc

            That is how Chernobyl happened – it did go prompt critical. There is no correlation between mass of fuel and TNT equivalent. Its a random process at that point. Here is the paper that proves it is random by the "weak source" of neutrons. In the energy equation (Equation 19a), there is absolutely no term for mass. This is well known when calculating total energy.


        • FallOut FallOut

          And you said no neutron beams ( lol ) these guys in this forum forgot more than you lie about.

          1) The neutron beams are cited as suggestive that plutonium and unanium have escaped from the primary containment vessel, implying that the neutron beams were observable because the reaction occurred outside the PCV. Whether or not such a reaction within the PVC could be observed is a question that deserves clarification because it means such episodes could be ongoing.

          2) Fuel mass concentrations of melted nuclear rod portions, and concentrations of precipitated or dissolved salt are probably not homogenous. But that does not mean that concentration densities and heterogeneity of concentrations are static, particularly in immediate proximity to a melted fuel mass. Dynamic change in these variables supports a prediction of future episodic events. Given the amorphous and dynamic nature of amounts and concentrations, prediction of possibilities unfortunately lies more in the area of theory than in calculation. In the absence of more extensive calculations pursuant to those offered by Danoki-Veress, our grasp of present and future events is more likely to come initially from closely reasoned and subsequently critiqued theory.

          • ExpertNuc

            The use of the term "neutron beam" is highly inaccurate and unfortunate that it was picked up in the media as such. Even the source paper was inaccurate. A beam is a collimated source. The source of neutrons is emitted isotropically (all angles), no preferential direction thus is NOT a beam in the physics sense.

            • FallOut FallOut

              LOL –

              The guys in THAT forum forgot more than you lie about, fact.

              They are in the industry i.e: insiders.

              He's not " mistaken ", your a liar!

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              So the housing structures act as a collimator. Tada! Beam. Wow that was hard.

        • FallOut FallOut

          3) The point of criticality is only a single point. Dalnoki-Veress’s theory involves an episode of a localized mass moving from sub-critical to critical, and then back again due to decay. But it begs the question of why the mass stopped precisely at, or very near, the point of criticality, where (supposedly) natural decay was a sufficient brake to what had been an increase of activity–sub-critical moving to critical. If localized criticality is in fact occurring, or has occurred, the immediate next question would be to what degree and in how many ways might localized change occur that would negate the apparent self-limitation and permit the mass to move to super-criticality.

          4) The immediate next question is: what is the most probable, theoretical possibility of a super-critical mass covered by water? Hyman’s paper and probably others would be pertinent to this question. Is it possible for someone to provide a link?

          5) Localized (or perhaps equally accurate: temporary, transitional, or episodic criticality) suggests that a relatively simple correlation exists to observed episodes to date. Publication of the times of the neutron beam events would be most helpful in establishing (or not) correlations to observed Fukushima events.

          • Potrblog described the phenomenon in terms of neutron feast and famine.

            It is a very interesting post.

            The emission events I've watched for almost 3 years now point to episodic events, followed often by less action and greater cam clarity.

            I cannot detect a definitive pattern

            • ExpertNuc

              There is no pattern when the system is "subcritical". Fissions will continue as the decay heat lessens. Fissions actually never stop, and are inherent to the fissile material. The key is that "is the system" a critical system that is, is it at the constant level that describes a critical system? Or are the levels decreasing, such as the fissile material in a spent fuel pool.

              • FallOut FallOut

                Fuel Pools have burnt off at least 50%.

                Pandora has gone Global.

                Your industry is done. How does that feel ? Deep , deep down inside.

                Your dead, it's an ELE. Your stupidity.

              • FallOut FallOut

                You could have been into credit default swaps with your vast knowledge in numbers. Like all the other scum on Wall Street.

                I'm all good with the train leaving the tracks. But a wounded old dog like yourself, a liberal. A liar. It's game over ….

                All the nuke money men, all the lies, you and your families, friends will all die. So drive that Range Rover like you stole it ….

          • ExpertNuc

            D-V theory is like Pons and Fleishman. Not reproducible in the lab.

        • mairs mairs

          Is there an echo in here?

      • Speedy


        The background level floated in the upper 30s-lower 40s and my elevated readings were 15-20 cpm above that..I forgot to include the asparagus in the list of veggies I passes on.

      • We Not They Finally

        mairs: We're in NM too, Albuquerque. Your readings sound VERY low for NM, especially that close to Los Alamos. The EPA radnet readings for Albuquerque are way way WAY higher. (They give beta readings.) Once up to 1,000 CPM!

        Just take that under advisement. We don't have a home Geiger counter here, but we know that New Mexico gets BAD.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      Hey Speedy.

      Good works.

      Turn your Inspector on to read in Microsieverts and let us know on the reporting thread what you are getting. You can see a general background first, and then an increase easier using microsieverts.

      Also, what region are you in?



      • Speedy

        I'm in western NY state, Under a couple of feet of snow that has been here a while..I don't always do the shopping with my princess but next time I will report the readings as suggested..I really was trying to point out that there was a definite increase in cpm near all the seafood and the rice products. My wife wasn't happy when I tried to figure out if a certain package or product was the culprit…I would think twice about sweet peppers through. I think someone might have been watching me in the procuce dept., the sprayers came on and I didn't want my tool wet, so I moved on..

        • zogerke zogerke

          speedy, re the counter getting wet…the miracle of zip lock…..

          • Speedy

            Yep, I use one @ home most of the time…I kinda wanted to have the clicks heard..I'm pretty sure the sprinkers were turned on on purpose…all the veggies were already wet….

      • zogerke zogerke

        JT or others- How do you set the Inspector to micro seiverts per hour rather than milirads per hour? TY. Zogerke.

        • Au Au

          Zogerke, when you have it on the milirads per hour setting look at the digital window reading and move the decimal to the right one digit. So, if it is reading out .001 milirad that will be .01 microsievert. I had to figure that out too. 😉

          • zogerke zogerke

            Au/ Gold.. Doh. Didn't realize it was that simple. Too many years since that measurement class. With thanks. And so, anyone reporting what the inspector reads, can just as easily convert back and forth.

            • zogerke zogerke

              I am dyslexic. Measurement has always required me to triple check my right/left notations….

            • Au Au

              Zogerke, I was stumped too. I figured it by watching videos of people talking about their readings with the inspector. You'd think that would be in the directions! When I got mine I was thinking, " Dammit! Micro sievert is greyed out and I don't see how to switch it over." I'm not great with numbers.

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          Zo and Au,

          Our Inspector is set to take readings in CPS and uSv/hr and to take ten minute counts in CPM. The way to set your inspector is here:

          The Utility Menu

          The Utility Menu allows you to change the default settings for
          several operating parameters. When you change a setting, it
          remains in effect after you turn off the Inspector Alert and until you change it again.

          To activate the Utility Menu, hold down the + button on the end
          panel while you turn on the Inspector Alert. The word MENU
          appears at the bottom right of the numeric display, and the display
          shows 1 for menu option 1. To scroll through the menu, push the
          plus (+) and minus (–) buttons. To select an option, push the Set
          button. Once an option is selected, use the + and – buttons to
          scroll among settings. After you choose the setting you want,
          select option 0 to exit the Utility Menu.

          The options are:

          0 Resume normal operation.

          1 Auto Averaging. on (the default) selects Auto averaging; oFF
          selects 3-second (fast response) averaging at all radiation

          2 Units of measurement. CPM mR/hr selects counts per
          minute and milliroentgens per hour; CPS μSv/hr selects
          counts per second and microseiverts per hour.

          3 Cal 100 Reset. Selecting this option automatically resets the
          calibration factor to 100 and restarts the instrument.

          4, 5, 6 Reserved for future options.

          • James Tekton James Tekton


            7 Cal Factor Adjust. Displays the current calibration factor, which you then adjust to the new factor you want. See “Calibration” in Chapter 5.

            8 Factory Default Reset. Selecting this option automatically resets the items 1, 2, and 3 to Auto averaging, CPM and
            mR/hr, and 100, and restarts the instrument.

            9 Revision #. Displays the software version number.


            • zogerke zogerke

              JT I thank you with much appreciation for this instruction.
              When I hold down the + and turn it on, I get a toggle of 4 choices on my view screen:
              1: EFF
              2: DonE (which I think just means 'done')
              3: dLo9
              4: UN17 (with a cpm printed above mR/hr symbols.)

              I tried playing with the + and – and SET controls but do not see numeric choices 1 – 9 to work with.

              • zogerke zogerke

                I can set the timed count, and can easily toggle between CPM and mR/hr….and now know how to transition reading results to report in microS/hr.

                • James Tekton James Tekton

                  oping this works for you.

                  We use the ten minute count setting to check CPM, and set the switch to check in uSv/hr for general quick reference. Everybody has their own preferences. A good thing about freedom of choice.


                • James Tekton James Tekton

                  Hoping this works for you.

                  We use the ten minute count setting to check CPM, and set the switch to check in uSv/hr for general quick reference. Everybody has their own preferences. A good thing about freedom of choice.


                  • zogerke zogerke

                    Thanks. I've been doing that lately. You were the one whose posts alerted me to the difference, and value of a measurement in mR/hr or microS/hr. i have also downloaded the Inspector manual. One step at a time.

                    • Speedy

                      I'm sorry I wasn't around for this conversation ( racing ho race cars) …it sounds like you guys have different versions of Inspectors…my usb version has the option of cpm or cps and mR/hr or microSv/hr. To change use the menu (powerup w/ +) , + until you see UN17 the right of that will be your options, hit set and now + or – to make your selection, hit set, done should be on the screen…hit set again it should be running…

                    • zogerke zogerke

                      Speedy, got it! THANK YOU for specific instructions on my model, and to JT for getting me started. I am set to read in counts per second now, and in microseiverts per hour. Will take a tad getting used to the CPS.

                    • Au Au

                      JT and Speedy, thanks! I'll go have fun with my gc when I get done with the frick'n 2013 taxes.

  • Low Dose Radiation Dangers/Symptoms For Children And Adults

    One person has already been tested and found to contain high enough cesium levels from Fukushima to need chelation therapy..

    • For new folks just landing at ENE, howdy! Fukushima is ongoing and the People need to start informing each other en mass and demand our legislators test for radiation in our food supply.

      Easy first steps to alerting the neighbors and telling your reps:

      Mitigation protocols for self and loved ones there also.

      Aloha, All.

    • ExpertNuc

      There is no definitive genetic marker – although some have been "claimed" (just like Cold Fusion) that pinpoint a source of low level radiation to a specific cause. High level yes, low level no.

      Low level radiation is not cumulative and this is the mistake you and your followers make.

      • Arizonan Arizonan

        What do you mean it is not cumulative? Read Gofman (1981) Low Level Radiation and Human Health. There is no evidence that a slower dose rate reduces overall risk.

        Every time you eat an orange or a pecan nut or tuna with a few atoms of cesium 134/137, those will go into your body and, while the body does try to get rid of them in feces and urine, if you eat an orange the next day with a few particles of cesium, it keeps on at the body an you do not have a chance to get rid of all of it. It is called "chronic exposure," and millions of humans around the globe have been suffering from it since the beginning of the nuclear age, from the Navajo in uranium mining country to those in Italy suffering cancers from illegal dumping of waste, not to mention the poor souls in Mayak and Lop Nor. For an ExpertNuc, you appear to be, like the rest of them, an expert at deceit. Anyone of your ilk ever try reading something you haven't been told to read?? Try the ECRR2010, available for free online with the most up to date epidemiological data on low level radiation. And get some compassion for those that the nuclear age have murdered.

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Don't argue with a pronuke shill. You say up, he'll say down. You show irrefutable proof, he'll bash the evidence. Point out noted authors showing supporting research and he'll character assassinate the people behind it. Ask for his credentials he'll show none. Suggest if he's so smart he correct all these people's errors that are leading everyone astray and he'll tell you to do it.

          Psychologists: Internet Trolls Are Narcissistic, Psychopathic, and Sadistic

          • ExpertNuc

            You dont have the answers. Better to provide facts and answers than lead people astray, as you do. "Boron holes". Laughable.

          • ExpertNuc

            Hmm. You must be a troll because you exhibit all those behaviors. Especially the narcissism part. I submit you are not a psychologist. You are probably a deadbeat artist or some derivative of sorts.

        • ExpertNuc

          It is not cumulative at low levels. If there is no observed effect at low levels, a zero effect is not cumulative.

          Gofman never experimented with live human beings. All of his conclusions were derived from flies, and single celled structures.

      • orsobubu orsobubu

        Expertnuc, sometimes you recall me a certain Socref enenewser… but in any case I appreciate what you say, even if sometimes I don't agree; now, when you Expertnuc talk about cold fusion, I think you'll have some nice surprise in not a so distant time in the future… because today these "claims" are made by US Navy, NASA, Toyota, Mitsubishi, MIT, and so on. Perhaps are you involved in hot fusion research?

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    I'd guess it's in other states as well, unless proven otherwise.

  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    Well…we didn't get dusted at all in Oregon.

    • tbg

      How not? There was significant fallout throughout oregon too, the jetstream from japan fluctuates up and down the west coast, and Washington and Oregon typically get it more directly than California. Marco Kaltofen/AG's breathing air filter tests found significant hot particles in Oregon too but less in California. Its luck of the wind gods, and sometimes, like when there's a typhoon, no one on the whole west coast is lucky because the front is so big.

      And I love how despite LBNL's super impressive ultra-fancy LBF tests, where they tested milk, for radiation, from a dairy… but they didn't bother to test the milk for strontium.

      • infounderload infounderload

        tbg, I agree, this willful failure by the govt and universities to do basic testing on an ongoing basis means they fail at their very reason for existence, which is to protect the health and safety of the public. Why have a government if it won't do this one task? (answer: to make a few people richer)

        • Food would be found to hot to eat, perhaps, if they tested for all radionuclides.

          There would be food shortages, no doubt, especially in Japan.

          So we will unwittingly eat contaminated food.

          Governments will sacrifice the human genome at the nuclear alter

          • Typo:: too hot to eat

            • Sickputer

              SP the double certified Grammarian 🙂 :

              While we are re-pixellating…Also "alter" (nuclear altar).

              Although if we add the word ego to the end and it sounds topical: nuclear alter ego.

              BTW…with two jobs it took me a while to finish reading majia's 2013 published book on Fukushima. Very nice…you have this historian's plaudits.

              Loved the final sentences of your book Fukushima and the Privatization of Risk:

              "Chernobyl, Gorbachev wrote, "was a bell calling mankind to understand what kind of age we live in. It made people recognize the danger of careless or even criminally negligent attitudes toward the environment. Fukushima illustrates that bell call was not heard. How many more bells will ring before humanity has destroyed its ecosystem and genome beyond repair?"

              SP: Spread the alarm if you value your life, your children, and future descendants.

              100 years of monster Dr. Frankenstein nuclear insanity should not be allowed to destroy the million year human existence.

              If we don't stand up for justice, then only radioactive slugs will remain to enjoy the sun on planet Earth.

          • ExpertNuc

            The secret that people havent told you is that everything we eat has some sort of radiation in it. Its a fact of life.

        • ExpertNuc

          Because its a trivial waste of tax payer money. If they know the Sr-90 levels are within limits they are not going to go and do more testing. Its your money in the long run.

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        Guess I should've put sarc on…come on people, a mutated tomato from Oregon is saying we never got dusted?

        • john dpugh

          pinksailmatt Nobody takes a mutated tomato seriously .

          • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

            john dpugh…I really thought the visual of it was enough. Guess I'll have to try a collage…get all the players together at a small dinner table…Jack, Jill, Dimples, Bumpy, Twister, Bender…trouble is the avatar is so small, all the important vegetative details would get lost.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Oregon got slammed.. 🙁

  • Ontological Ontological

    Dairy, Eggs, Chicken, Beef, Seafood, Fish, all have been recalled in huge amounts for one reason or another over the last year or so.

    In time with this beef report, is this one.

    Can't find Organic Cauliflower, since GMO Cauliflower is bad.

    Even as a vegetarian, it is getting hard to have much to eat.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I doubt if they are recalling these items to protect us…maybe it was clean so they are storing for themselves.

    • ExpertNuc

      The choices people make are their business. Personally, I have vegetarian relatives and they are not going bats over food that is contaminated. This is what happens when people get jiggy over radiation in any level. They worry. I dont have the luxury of letting my imagination run wild. I eat what I want that is healthy, and some things that are not healthy. So why are you spinning around like some chicken little? The sky is not falling. Relax.

  • Thanksforplaying

    Nuke prostitute, how apt! Sorry if anyone said that already…

    OT but anyone seen any data proving what's in the jetstream?

  • jcfougere jcfougere

    Created this tonight, any input welcome.

    Will distribute tomorrow.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    There is no safe level of Man Made Radiation. I personally could eat sunshine all day and often do.. 🙂 Heck I have even eaten cosmic rays and bursting stars from outer space with no problem.

    Spill some of that manmade radiation shit on me and it will make me like burnt toast inside and outside and those are the facts! 🙂

  • mungo mungo

    Um, any reports on the tobacco and marijuana crops from west coast USA? I know tobacco is bad for us anyway, but is it radiated too? Both crops have broad leaves, so may absorb more nasties….

    • earthsmith earthsmith

      Hemp is a excellent for removing toxins from soil. I don't know of any study involving radionuclides though. I would be wary of airborne particulates in the flowering stage. It would seem to be prudent to avoid outdoor grown smokables especially from certain regions. There is indoor medical but there is still water or soil involved. What a mess.

    • underfish

      @Mungo and Earthsmith
      Good questions,
      I have been wondering the same thing, I guess if someone can test it with one of thier rad./nuc. counters that would give an idea but not be specific on what type of rad..
      outside its a late spring to fall crop and only gets rain or snow maybe, thats a big maybe, at the end of its life cycle,
      so its more likely if there are issues its going to come from watering (many use spring water not all) or what fell onto the ground in 3/11..
      "inside" they are using soil-less mediums; meaning there is no dirt in the true sense there is organic matter but not soil meaning "mineral soils" like you find under your feet..the organic material could be suspect
      or the fish and seaweed fertilizers they use religiously, yikes!
      But here is the only good part; flowers and fruit are less likely to take up internal radiation in plants from the studies I have been looking at about nuc. ionizing rads. and plant uptake; its concetrated in the stem tissues and the leaves tissues,the roots and then the fruit/flowers in that order. some species or certain families of plants may switch things around but fruit/flowers have been shown to be the least many crops and plant studies concerning nuk rad.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      N.Cali '12 bud gives really BAD headaches to the rear left side.
      Never had that happen before.

      • underfish

        grow your own…is the only answer.
        yet headaches could be from many things, maybe they sprayed pestcides right before harvest or maybe there is nuc. rad. or maybe you didn't drink enough water and you were dehydrated…

  • tinfoiled tinfoiled

    I quit smoking after 24 years, back in 2005. But with all the radiated rainwater, air and food going around, I'm considering taking the habit back up. As it appears most likely I'm going to die from some form of cancer anyway, I may as well get some enjoyment while I'm at it. :/

    • Daisy207

      Tobacco fields, as were all agriculture fields, were affected by fallout from the nuclear testing in the 50's through the 70's. No one died of lung cancer prior to atomic testing specifically related to tobacco use – although there were probably incidents of it but related more to breathing dust from plowing fields or natural dust clouds – we didn't have the air pollution 100 years ago that we have today. Years ago tobacco was money -now its tax money. If we ground up carrots grown in areas affected by fallout and smoked them we would probably see increases in lung cancer from smoking carrots. The same thing will now happen with fallout affected pot. But they will tax it and still let us die – the important thing now is to decrease the population quickly – instead of limiting population growth with duuuhhh birth control and only allowing one child per family and by selective sterilization. We don't let our animals breed indiscriminately – there is a larger agenda here.

      • bo bo

        I've always thought that about tobacco, was one of my crackpot theories – thank you Daisy. Do you have any links/articles to this by any chance?
        Sometimes I feel like Phillip Morris was made to pay for nuclear crimes commited by U.S. government and G.E.

        Very concerned about marijuana becoming legalized, since this means it could now be grown outdoors ?

      • zogerke zogerke

        OT: smoking:
        Do we have data that no one died of lung cancer due to tobacco inhalation, from before industrial fall out occurred? I find that a stretch. Here is what makes sense to me:

        Smoke, burning organic matter, (including non contaminated by industrial pollutants), contains compounds that are bad for the lungs. Any regular smoking is dangerous. Any inhalation of smoke on a daily 24/7/365 is bad for the lungs. The whole purpose of lung mucus and cilia and coughing reflex are to clear lungs of fine particles. Any particles less than 10 micron in diameter are inhaled deeply in the lungs- not healthy. Smoke is a particulate contaminant. From what I have learned, indigenous tribes smoking tobacco use it episodically for religious purposes, not addictive-ly. Addiction would have been/is antithetical to the spiritual purposes it was/is used for. I cannot conceive of a setting where regular, intentional, direct deep smoke inhalation multiple times a day, is good for anyone's lungs in any setting. AND- now- with nuclear contamination, fall out on fields, and the addictive chemicals added to processed commercial tobacco- even more hazardous. Does anyone have a different understanding of the mechanisms of lung damage from smoke inhalation? And, I suppose I should be in OT for this too…..

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        What about Polonium supposedly naturally being present in tobacco?

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      For those interested.

      Marijuana and Radiation Protection:


  • michmom michmom

    February 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm · Reply
    Rice recalled after reactions ins kids- "The food and drug administration is warning against eating Uncle Bens rice products served at schools, restaurants, hospitals and other institutions after children in three states had skin reactions and other symptoms limked to the rice.
    Mars Foodservices of Greenville, Miss., is recalling 5 and 25 pound bags of rice. The bags are mostly sold to food service establishments but are alsoavailable to consumers over the internet.
    Uncle Bens ready to eat, boxed, bagged and cup products in grocery stores have not been recalled.
    Reactions included burning, itching rashes, headaches and nausea."
    The Times Herald- Port Huron Mi pg 8A Feb 11,2014.
    A very small snippet in the bottom corner of the newspaper.

    Also, a planned nuke dump 3/4 of a mile from Lake Huron in Kincardine, Ontario. Front page of same paper-feb 11,2014.
    Its business as usual , money to be made at everyone else's expense. No moral or ethical compass left in this world.

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  • mungo mungo

    Fukushima dental group to study baby teeth for radiation exposure….
    FUKUSHIMA–The prefectural dental association has started a five-year study to measure radiation levels in baby teeth to better determine the health effects of the 2011 Fukushima nuclear accident.

    Radiation tends to collect in baby teeth as they develop and does not metabolize, giving researchers the opportunity to take accurate measurements of radiation exposure when the child was younger.

    Officials of the Fukushima Prefecture Dental Association said the project, supported by the Environment Ministry, will be the first in Japan to use teeth to analyze radiation exposure….

    • Sickputer

      Thanks mungo. Good report on the fledgling Nippon Tooth Fairy Project.

      Here's hoping they get to do the work without undue government supervision.

      The original baby teeth project in America helped convince world leaders to ban open air atomic testing.
      Levels of strontium-90 world wide plummeted from the treaty (1963) until 1986 when Chernobyl Unit 4 exploded and burned for nearly two weeks. Strontium levels climbed again and had begun dropping until the massive disaster in Fukushima.

      Despite all the evidence of strontium 90 contamination by exploded reactors, the NRC refuses to accept any theories that "normal" nuclear plants leak strontium-90 that affects life forms:

      "A number of studies by the Radiation Public Health Project1 assert that levels of radioactive strontium-90 (Sr-90) are rising in the environment and that these increased levels are responsible for increases in cancers, particularly cancers in children, and infant mortality. The group claims that radioactive effluents from nuclear power plants are directly responsible for the increases in Sr-90. In one study, researchers reported that Sr-90 concentrations in baby teeth are higher in areas around nuclear power plants than in other areas. This has sometimes been referred to as “The Tooth Fairy Project.” However, numerous peer-reviewed, scientific studies do not substantiate such claims."

      To be cont…

      • Sickputer

        Last year I debated with the Conca clan at Forbes (they were pleasant and permitted my dissenting comments):
        Way down in the pages of comments…

        " CHP1 typed these pixels of light: “The Tooth Fairy project collecting baby teeth in the US was a dismal failure and not taken seriously by reputable scientists. Why would a similar collection of baby teeth in Japan be any different?”

        WS: You lost all credibility with that statement. The Tooth Fairy project checking for strontium-90 deposits in teeth has proven not only that open air atomic testing affected the health of children, but that living near nuclear plants also exposes downwinders to strontium-90 exposure.

        The US and Japanese governments do not test for strontium-90 in teeth because they don’t want to disrupt their subsidized nuclear industry nor interfere with military usage of atomic energy.

        Fortunately we do have people in America not afraid to speak up for the children who can’t speak for themselves:

        “RPHP has tested 4780 children’s teeth for levels of radioactive Strontium-90. We found that average Sr-90 levels rose 50% in the 1990s, are highest near nuclear plants, and appear linked to childhood cancer trends”

        WS: Tooth Fairy Project a failure? Not by a long shot. One thing nucleocrats will never escape is the verdict of history.

  • atomicistheword

    It all happened before…

    Silent Storm
    atomic testing in Australia (Strontium 90, Contamination of a nation)

    More than 20.000 bone samples taken from the dead without permission, the school milk program remained in place, half a pint a day free at school, laced with Sr90.

    It's Japan's turn for the evil of reversed humans. The scum of earth. sorry but this documentary really annoyed me. Little children fed Sr90 in the school milk program and the scumbags knew it. Then covering it up, stealing the remains of the dead. Dogs of mars!!!!

    • Angela_R

      hadn't known it was that bad where I grew up. Think that answers why my sister, who was a small child then, has holes in her bones.
      I never drank milk.

    • GQR2

      wow atomic this video has fascinating footage,great find Thank you. The historical footage is always good to see.
      These people are maniacs.:(
      Their delusional systems have poisoned the entire world.
      Its been a huge mistake to put these so called "brilliant" people on pedestals,they're mentally ill.
      grandiose psychopaths who opinions guide the Nuclear Industry there is no safety here. It has never been about safety.
      It is a death cult run by pigs,no offense to pigs.

    • vicky13 vicky13

      Hi atomic,,

      Just watched the entire video. Disgusting what they did. Truly monstrous.

      Now they are doing it to ALL OF US!! Psychopaths!

      Infuriates me to no end.

  • Sickputer

    So many mistakes and deliberate omissions in the name of "Save the economy! No public panic!"

    We notice nit only do we get these results of cesium and iodine in milk years later, but absolutely no checked boxes in that study that indicates they looked for Strontium 89 or Strontium 90 (aka The Boogey Man Child Killer of the Atomic Bomb Testing Era).

    One thing we know…from nuclear plants waste (and accidents) strontium 89 and 90 are found in about equal amounts to the cesium brothers 134/137.

    Strontium 90 is especially dangerous in the spent fuel rods ("spent" is quite a misnomer don't you think because if your descendant 10,000 years from now sits by the unshielded rods for a few minutes they will die. Dead from what their ancestors bequeathed to them. Quite a legacy gift.

    Did this omission of testing (or more likely they DID test for strontium 89 and 90 but failed to reveal data in a timely manner) lead to the public being exposed to dangerous levels of strontium? You be the judge.

    Buesseler reported strontium testing was "poorly investigated" in the Pacific Ocean after the 311 disaster:

    Page 2:

    In the same report the levels of strontium in the Pacific Ocean before the Fukushima disaster had declined dramatically from atomic bomb levels… Around 1 becquerel per cubic meter of ocean water.

    Now those levels are huge around Japan. Spreading slowly everywhere.

  • Daisy207

    But they are worried about radon – which is everywhere that there is granite in the geology – and if its high your property value could tank.

    How about testing for tritium.

  • Ecoguy

    LISTEN PEOPLE! The radiation is continuing and it is accumulative in the body! As radiation builds up in peoples bodies the more cancers and related health problems will occur! It you live in an area that has been radiated or if you feel that you have been radiated from the air and or by eating Pacific Ocean fish or seafood you should consider detoxing your body to remove the radiation and heavy metals that Fukushima has put into you! The best proven way to detox this radiation and heavy metals is with the natural mineral called Clinoptilolite Zeolite! This zeolite must not be industrial grade! The proper zeolite must be micronized medical grade zeolite that has been mined specifically for human consumption! Potassium Iodide does not work at all if you have already been radiated! You need the proper Clinoptilolite zeolite to remove the radiation! For more information on how zeolite safely removed radiation and heavy metals from the body do a Key Word Search For The Word Zeolite!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    OT. Possible radiation leak at New Mexico military nuclear waste site
    Feb.16 2014

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..Oh.. no.. connection to the fire..

    "We don't believe there is a connection between the earlier salt haul truck event and this event," said Roger Nelson, DOE spokesman."

    Oh of course not..

    They should be forced to stay in the materials they work with.breathe it

    How I despise them..
    And why not?


  • We Not They Finally

    The new safety scale if it doesnt kill us immediately while Obama is President its safe if it kill us later its still safe for Obama as he wont be President then….Now the rest of the safety scale if we are all without brains cause we lost them from illness radiation or some how a fukeshima problem its safe as it wasnt caused by the absolute proof reality that has that the idiots in our govt caused it retroactively……So does it matter just as long as we are deader than a door mouse.

  • Nick

    Radiation is invisible.

    Smile. Be happy. Wear Pink.

    Can we agree that California is now officially awake?

    Now we just have to figure out how cesium levels affect organic produce labeling.

    Eat not what your government will not test.

  • An explanation of why any level of radionuclides (radiocesium, radio-iodine, strontium, uranium, plutonium) is NOT safe:

  • Cdog Cdog

    Regardless of 3 years of pleading with my family and friends, none of them have cut back or reduced their dairy, sushi, or mushroom intake. It is so sad to see everybody around me with their heads in the sand.

    • Ontological Ontological

      Since I am lucky to be alive, even being diligent, I gave up. Just decided let folks enjoy their last years. Those of us who choose to avoid exposure will eventually watch many people die.

  • sbgradinnb

    Ok, so probably a stupid question, but, could it be good for CA residents that this has been the driest season in decades?

    Purely from a rain and fuku standpoint??

  • redcoyote

    Read all the postings. Some of you knew more than others, feeling overwhelmed. Have been vegetarian for 45 yrs, as careful as I can afford to be. Entire family died of cancer but lifestyle was more mainstream than mine. Am pretty sure there's no perfect solution to the issue of energy production on our gluttonous overpopulated planet, all modalities are inadequate with drawbacks. After reading posts, feel even more fatalistic. I've eaten miso soup with sea veggies every winter for 45 years. Docs/nurses who remained after Hiroshima felt reason so few of them got cancer was sea veggies in miso soup. I like them, supply so much nutrition and detoxify. But now, post Daiichi, what if the cure is also contaminated? Started going online, found you. In America burden placed upon the consumer. After I use up wakame, kombu, arame and hiziki that are pre-Daiichi, don't think there'll be any I can trust. Eden brand testing but limited, too expensive. I am much more informed about nutrition than most Americans. Nuclear, oil, solar, wind, waves all imperfect and incomplete on their own, they all destroy wildlife. ZPG would cure many of world's ills but only China has faced this, brutally. Most would rather do crisis intervention later than damage control now. Earth will survive but we may not be here to bear witness, extirpating species at an alarming rate. I'm a wildlife rehabber, care a lot. Don't worry, we'll run out of safe water, land and food before we all get cancer…