Expert: Plutonium-241 from Fukushima nearly 70,000 times more than atomic bomb fallout in Japan — Gov’t Labs: Large areas of oceans contaminated by plutonium from events such as Fukushima; Build-up in biosphere expected; Considerable hazard to humans — Officials: Molten fuel now ‘particle-like’, contains ‘special’ nuclear materials

Published: March 25th, 2015 at 9:49 am ET
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Taeko Shinonaga, head of Radioanalytical Laboratory at Helmholtz Zentrum Munchen (research institution founded jointly by Germany’s Federal Ministry of Education & Research and Bavaria’s Finance Ministry), scientists from Technische Universitat Munchen (Germany), Verhandlungen der Deutschen Physikalischen Gesellschaft 2013 meeting (emphasis added): Detection of long-lived plutonium isotopes in environmental samples by Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS)Plutonium isotopes 239Pu, 240Pu and 242Pu are anthropogenic radionuclides emitted into the environment by nuclear activities. Pu is accumulated in the human body and hence, poses a considerable hazard to human health. Due to the long half-lives, these isotopes are present in the biosphere on large time scales and a build-up can be expected. Therefore it is important to study the contamination pathway of Pu into the drinking water… a method to detect long-lived Pu isotopes by Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS) is being developed. AMS requires only few milligrams of sample material… Consequently, more samples from different locations can be taken which is essential when searching for locally increased Pu concentrations as in the Pacific Ocean after the Fukushima accident… Samples from different locations in the Pacific Ocean and from the snow-hydrosphere are planned…

Presentation by Taeko Shinonaga, head of Helmholtz radioanalytical lab (pdf), Nov 2014:  Comparison of activity between [nuclear bomb testing] fallout Pu particle and Fukushima origin Pu particle

Global Fallout Pu in Japan [GF]
> Pu240: 1,360 Bq
> Pu241: 645 Bq
> Total: 208,005 Bq

Fukushima Pu found in our study
> Pu240: 197,000 Bq [145 times GF]
> Pu241: 43,700,000 Bq [67,752 times GF]
> Total: 44,061,000 Bq [212 times GF]

Scientists from Lawrence Berkeley National Lab and Univ. of Notre Dame, 2014:  Interstitial incorporation of plutonium into a low-dimensional potassium borate… [E]vents such as the catastrophe at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan [have] resulted in the contamination of large areas of oceans, ground-water, soils, and sediments by actinides, such as uranium and plutonium… migration of actinides [is] an important environmental concern… Knowledge of the incorporation mechanisms of actinides into… natural materials is therefore required… for predicting the migration of radionuclides…

European Commission Joint Research Centre (pdf), 2014: [The Joint Research Centre] is studying emerging safety issues…examining mixed oxide (MOX) properties [and] preparing further severe accident studies on specific aspects of the Fukushima accident [such as] off-vessel fuel-concrete interactions… Japanese Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) selected a JRC-developed method as one of the most suitable approaches to characterise [Fukushima’s] molten fuel… This characterisation is an international obligation during the decommissioning phase, according to IAEA safeguards. Japanese researchers are now developing and optimising the methodology to quantify special nuclear materials in particle-like debris of the molten reactor fuel.

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Published: March 25th, 2015 at 9:49 am ET
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  • rogerthat

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7a863bd5acc9441f95b721655c56840a/report-head-worlds-largest-uranium-producer-dies-44

    Report: Head of world's largest uranium producer dies, 44
    Mar. 26, 2015
    MOSCOW (AP) — Kazakhstan's government-run news agency has reported that the head of the state uranium producer, the world's largest, has died of a heart attack while on a visit to China.

    Kazinform news agency said Kazatomprom chairman Nurlan Kapparov, 44, collapsed early Thursday afternoon while having lunch at a restaurant in Beijing.

    Kapparov had been at the helm of Kazatomprom, the world's biggest uranium producer by output, since August.

    The company said in a statement this month that it produced 22,800 tons of uranium in 2014, equivalent to 40 percent of global output.

    Kazakhstan last year signed a deal with China to cooperate on the construction of a nuclear fuel factory in the northern Kazakh city of Ust-Kamenogorsk to supply power plants in China.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2015/03/public_skips_annual_safety_review_of_salem_countys.html

    SALEM — Who from the public shows up for a safety performance review of the reactors at the second-largest nuclear power generating site in the U.S.?

    No one.

    That was the case Wednesday night during an open house held by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to give the public the opportunity to discuss how operations went at the Salem 1, Salem 2 and Hope Creek reactors during 2014.

    Along with officials from the NRC and the reactors' operator, PSEG Nuclear, representatives from New Jersey and Delaware environmental agencies were on hand. Just no one showed up to engage with them. …

    • Hmm.
      So nobody showed up at the nuke-meeting? (The nuke-SAFETY meeting?)
      Did the nukers forget to tell people they were holding a meeting?
      Or, are people just tired of being lied to (at)?

      Part of me thinks, what is the point of showing up to these nuke-circle-jerks? I mean, it's not like they're going to tell the truth, that all of these reactors release some bad stuff into our environment and have killed a lot of people (and their pets and livestock, too) from cancer…..

      Or, perhaps people were there, and they were outside (protesting)> and not everyone has it in them to get arrested by coming inside and dealing with, "off-duty cops". I know those freaks scare me away../

    • I am going to get into their faces in the Midwest later this year.

      Shut down their lies immediately

  • rogerthat

    At long last, something worth posting on this gruesome subject. Congratulations to Kevin Martin, Executive Director of Peace Action, the country’s largest peace and disarmament organization with 100,000 members and over 70,000 on-line supporters.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/which-is-the-most-responsible-nuclear-nation-iran-israel-or-the-united-states/203724/

  • rogerthat

    http://www.fronterasdesk.org/content/9979/feds-try-clean-uranium-found-navajo-water

    Feds Try To Clean Uranium Found In Navajo Water
    By Laurel Morales
    March 25, 2015

    Feds Try To Clean Uranium Found In Navajo Water

    During the Cold War, mining companies extracted four million tons of uranium from Navajo land to make nuclear weapons. Uranium left a deadly legacy. And the federal government is still cleaning up the contamination.

    The Department of Energy piled the uranium tailings, the mining waste byproduct, inside lined pits and sealed them with clay. In Monument Valley federal workers have found uranium contamination in the groundwater.

    “For years the attitude was science can fix anything,” said April Gil, environmental team lead for the Department of Energy’s Legacy Management. “You just wait long enough, someone will come up with an idea and we’ll be able to put Mother Nature back to the natural state. And we’ve not been able to do that with uranium.”

    But Gil says they’re not giving up. …

  • rogerthat

    http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2015/uranium-mines-03-26-2015.html

    Expansion of Four Utah Uranium Mines Halted

    MOAB, Utah— In response to formal objections by Uranium Watch and other conservation groups, the Manti-La Sal National Forest on Tuesday halted plans to allow the uranium industry to expand the La Sal Mines Complex — a complex of four old uranium mines located in La Sal, Utah.

    Citing violations of the National Environmental Policy Act, Endangered Species Act and other laws and regulations, Uranium Watch and four other conservation groups objected to the Forest Service’s draft approval of the plan. The large-scale expansion would include drilling 3,800 new exploration holes, dewatering an estimated 50 springs and a surface disturbance of more than 200 acres. The mines threaten radiological and heavy metal pollution of groundwater, soil, and air, putting wildlife and people at risk.

    According to Sarah Fields, Uranium Watch program director: “The continued operation of the La Sal Mines Complex will cause increasing emissions of radon gas, a radioactive hazardous air pollutant, into the community. The USFS cannot claim that radon emissions only a quarter-mile from the La Sal Elementary School are safe.”

    “Federal law requires that significant threats to human health and the environment posed by uranium mining be very carefully reviewed,” said Roger Flynn, attorney with the Western Mining Action Project, which represented Uranium…

    • rogerthat

      Uranium Watch and other conservation groups in the case. “The Regional Office correctly determined that these mines cannot be approved without a much more comprehensive review, including the addition of required protective measures to safeguard the public.”

      “The La Sal complex mines have a long and troubled history of neglect, safety violations and excessive impacts to human health and the environment,” said Jennifer Thurston, director of INFORM. “It is encouraging that the Forest Service will be taking a much closer look at these impacts in the next round. I hope we will eventually have a plan for these mines that provides more protection for residents, miners and the environment.”

      Uranium ore mined from the La Sal Mines Complex will be trucked to the White Mesa Mill in San Juan County, Utah. In early 2014 the Grand Canyon Trust sued the owners of the White Mesa Mill for numerous violations of the Clean Air Act.

      “Until the mill corrects its violations of laws designed to protect public and environmental health, the federal government should not allow the mill to receive and process new uranium shipments such as this one from the La Sal Mines Complex,” said Anne Mariah Tapp, energy program director for the Grand Canyon Trust.

      Like thousands of uranium mines across the Four Corners region, the La Sal Mines Complex has been operating intermittently since the 1970s — opening and closing in response to uranium’s boom and bust cycle. …

    • Uranium Mining And Yellow Cake Legacy; Toxic Waste. Diseases, Cancers And Deaths For 1,000,000 Years
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/uranium-mining-legacy-toxic-waste-for.html

      • Metalbeard Metalbeard

        Uranium has been in the ground since when the earth was formed. Its responsible for heating up the earths core. Without uranium this planet could not function.All mining is hazardous. Your cancer risk model is not accurate. Radon is emitted from coal deposits as well. There is tramp uranium in most geological formations.

        • Nice theory, but then why isn't all lava deadly radioactive like corium inside of Fukushima?

          There is more to this than some theory; there is real life and what happens to uranium miners compared to copper miners for example.

          Is there a fund to compensate copper miners for harm caused by radiation? No, didn't think so.

          This is not MY cancer risk model.

          Just because there is natural radiation, does not mean it is all harmless, as Ann Coulter likes to claim with the quack pro nuclear industry hormesis theory.

        • Uranium that's undergone fission has not been, "in the ground", for however long, though, MetalTurd. Why must you continue these silly games?
          Do you not understand the difference between, say, uranium (in the ground and dug up out of the ground) and, what they CALL depleted-uranium? Go to Fallujah and see what DU has done to the offspring, there. Then say there's no problem with uranium.

          Or, better yet, just zip it.

          • Angela_R

            "Do you not understand the difference between, say, uranium (in the ground and dug up out of the ground) and, what they CALL depleted-uranium?"

            Congratulations AnneBeck, for this is a point that far too many people fail to understand. Uranium in the ground, is found only as an ore, and also has a COMPLETE nucleus. Reactor used uranium, is like the chook with its head chopped off…..frenetic and frantic.

            • I didn't see this months back, Angela. Your description of DU is very appropriate. Too bad Mr Pro-Nuke will never get it, and he's out in the world (in these internets) lying to the kids about all of it, too.

  • rogerthat

    http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20150326p2a00m0na009000c.html

    Nuclear watchdog's decision on active faults a serious blow to reactor operators

    – good nuts-and-bolts yarn

  • rogerthat

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/26/Hanford-nuclear-compensation.html

    Compensation rules for ill Hanford nuclear workers likely to be eased
    Some employees who contracted radiation-linked cancer should automatically receive $150,000, federal board recommends
    March 26, 2015

    by Renee Lewis
    Some employees who contracted cancer linked to radiation exposure at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in southeast Washington State will likely face an easier process to receive government compensation in coming months.

    That means a certain class of employees who developed radiation-linked illnesses like cancer will automatically receive government compensation, instead of having to endure a long process of proving they were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation.

    The newly eased rules would apply to employees known as “special exposure cohorts” (SEC), …

  • Checkmate

    I would suggest that a lot of enenewers should seek out World War 2 vets and ask them a few questions. My father was a WW2 vet in the 4th armed tank battalion under General Patton and told me that after WW2, the army had so much extra amour that they dumped new equipment right into the Atlantic Ocean. So much for the defense industries. Then on to prolonging the War…He was put into counter-intelligence to find out what was happening to the fuel to supply the tanks. The ammo was coming through, but no fuel and Patton was screaming day after day for it- to keep the Germans on the run. This was just before the G setup for the Battle of the Bludge (spelling?). Anyway, he went back tracing the supply line and even was purposely put in the Brig for a week to see if he could get any info there, which he didn't. Going into France, he went to the port and saw all those freighters anchored in the harbor. He asked a sailor on guard what was in those ships. The sailor said fuel. My dad said why aren't they unloading it, because we need it in the front lines. The sailor said Eisenhower orders not to unload for another week…This is true or God can strike me dead, I swear.

  • rogerthat

    http://ksfr.org/post/mar-27-first-news-experts-pinpoint-cause-2014-wipp-radiation-release-listen

    Mar. 27 First News: Experts Pinpoint Cause Of 2014 WIPP Radiation Release (Listen)

    By TOM TROWBRIDGE
    Listen Listening…
    Experts from national laboratories around the country have determined that an incompatible cocktail of nitrate salts and organic cat litter is to blame for a mishap that forced the closure of the nation's only underground nuclear waste repository. The independent technical team released its report Thursday. …

    • rogerthat

      http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_27793202/report-mix-cat-litter-salts-caused-wipp-mishap

      Report: Mix of cat litter, salts caused WIPP mishap
      By Susan Montoya Bryan
      Associated Press

      … There are other containers at WIPP that include similar mixtures of chemicals.

      "We are reviewing the report and its findings now as we continue working to mitigate the risks of this happening again," the DOE said in a statement issued Thursday. "Additional precautions have also been taken to secure other drums with similar nitrate and organic materials as those identified in the report." …

      Using modeling, chemical analyses and other methods, the team considered the possibility that something outside the container caused it to breach, such as a reaction between water and magnesium or reduced ventilation that resulted after a fire at WIPP. But the evidence pointed to the reaction happening inside the drum.

      The team said its investigation was hampered by limited and inconsistent documentation regarding the way Los Alamos processed the waste and because access to the drum in question was limited due to safety concerns. …

      – so that's all right then…

  • Checkmate

    Correction- not another week. Should have said 2 more weeks!!

  • Sol Man

    How much DU is detected all over the world's snowfields, and everywhere else?

    Do we know what's in the water?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Japan wants to share the lessons it learned from the Fukushima nuclear disaster
    March 26 2015

    "JCC2015's Ohashi said that, as the Japanese government aims to export nuclear energy technology to developing countries, it bears a "producer's responsibility" to share its knowledge about the risks and how to deal with them."

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-japan-makes-a-start-on-sharing-lessons-from-nuclear-crisis-2015-3#ixzz3VbQtCjft

    JCC 2015
    http://fukushimabeacon.net/english

    Sponsors: religious NGO's

    CWS
    http://www.cwsasiapacific.org/

    UMCOR ..the Methodists, I believe.

    http://www.umcor.org/

    http://www.directrelief.org/participate/corporate-support/corporate-supporters/

    DRI

    http://www.directrelief.org/participate/corporate-support/corporate-supporters/

    Corporate 'investors'.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    To me it's not hard to question the actions of the supposed faithful and the real use of NGO's.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    NGO's were in charge here too.

    American Indian boarding schools

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools

  • Well folks, I just swallowed my distaste of jumping through more internet visibility hoops and registered with discus so I could post a comment at Japantimes. I see dosdos is already there. 🙂 Sweet! Here's mine:

    I am so angry regarding the permanent damage the nuclear industries have wrought upon our planet and all of it's unsuspecting life forms. Cancers and other ailments are escalating side by side with the increasing levels of *supposedly safe* radiation ever since the nuclear boys first began playing with their deadly toys over 70 years ago. Chernobyl certainly got our attention, but Fukushima is the latest straw that finally breaks the camel's back and should be jarring us into awareness.

    Man made radiation from the 3 meltdowns, that Tepco has no ability to stop, is STILL pouring into the Pacific daily, adding documented amounts of deadly radiation to an already massively polluted ocean. Food chains are being destroyed! Species, from the smallest bottom level phytoplankton up to the larger fish and mammals, are rapidly diminishing as radiation rapidly bio-accumulates in all life forms.

    There is NO safe place on earth to store nuclear waste that has half lives into
    hundreds of thousands of years. Think about it! WIPP in the USA only made it for 15 years. Plus, it's a documented fact that the Yucca Flats geology was officially declared by consultants to be a dangerous location, unstable and unusable even before construction began.

    …cont….

    • 🙂 It's well past time to end this madness that only puts money in the pockets of people who profit from nuclear related industries at our expense! It's not a secret that man made radiation causes genetic mutations at cellular levels and once it's re-circulating in the air, water and life forms, it is FOREVER, being absorbed by we humans too. Now, the big question is… who of our generations of innocent offspring will be cursed with babysitting the life destroying nuclear waste mess they inherit!
      ******************

      OK, now I'm going outside to water my seedlings and change my mood into one of hope and intent to be constructive with things closer to home and my own physical agenda. 🙂

      • bowling

        Thanks Teri. More Americans need to.post there. Wish more Japanese did. Obe posted a bunch of articles about Japanese.moving.car plants out of their. What abe is doing there is just prolonging the inevitible.

  • Amazing, one of my best works, and only 144 people have viewed it since January. Other articles have 8000 views.

    You can also download my spreadsheet

    This is the radiation inventory from Fukushima

    Contrary to what ShitBeard says, PU 241 is one of the most common components of the spent fuel at Fukushima.

    2944 Kilograms of Pu 241

    That is only exceeded by Cesium 137 at 2987 kG

    So contrary to what the latest troll pretends….the Pu 241 was plentiful at Fukushima, not RARE

    The proof is here, no need to banter aimlessly with the troll, just expose his lies with facts.

    here is the chart
    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/11/total-spent-fuel-inventory-at-fukushima.html

    here is the whole article and you can download my spreadsheet for free

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/11/total-spent-fuel-inventory-at-fukushima.html

    • 🙂 stock, you have done amazing contributions…I've referred your site to folks too but have not nearly kept up with my own intent to put links to it in all the potential places to all the possible right people. I'm trying to do better at my end with the awareness spreading.

      Don't ever think your work is for naught. I believe there will be a huge jump in views for all the great sites enewers have made…just seems that time restraints and maneuvering internet factors happen and create periods of stagnation. 🙂 Much appreciation to you and everyone dedicated to adding their various communication skill sets.

    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

      I reviewed your site and you spent a lot of time on it. Much of your technical assumptions are too general and overly conservative. Many national labs independently have carried out analyses contradicting your claims. Your site is only good to stir up antinuclear sentiment and is no good for policy analysis. But its your site and you can say whatever you want. I'm just saying that sadly its not usable in its current form outside antinuclear. Not in a court of law, not in government policy analysis, not in private research for teaching in schools. I'm disappointed because I wanted and expected more from a trained engineer who is supposedly logical and rational. But then again the site is used by antinukes so the confusion will continue. In that vein you've done well to flame fear and increase hatred of people. I just don't get why you are so angry to need to rant in this manner.

  • bowling

    I have crappy inet because I chose to.live pretty far out. I dont use a great input device. Ypu have the best spreadsheets on this subject I.have seen. I will refer people to your website. Itbis very well organized, technically precise, and easy to read. You had some rod adams .mr plutonium automobile there for a while but now they are not so much around.

  • bowling

    This entity.says pu241 is very fisible. Its like dos dos says some.pu241 dripped onto.some pu239 with plenty of neutrons around and therewas a prompt nuclear criticality.

  • Plutonium is a magic word capable of summoning attention from dedicated nuclear agents.

  • t'ai

    Gravatar does have a known bug with regard to individual security and privacy rights. I don't care about the screen name .. I freely admitted I had been here for awhile.

    Outside of disagreement abt chemtrails and whether the radiation was sole cause for west coast die offs while ignoring hoe warm the Pacific Ocean is right now .. today my weather report says it will be a record breaking 92 degrees ..

    You tell me the TOS rules I have violated. Disagreement is not one of them.

    I would suggest that purposely and willfully trying to expose personal information for the harm here is.

    It's not the first time the lord of the flies dementia has prevailed here.

    I will report myself to admin and ask again to have all my personal information deleted from this site.

    I will also report any personal information violations to my local police/FBI department and to the admin here.

    Have a great doomsday.

    • See ya, bye bye
      LOL read the Google privacy policy, LAFR

      • t'ai

        Stock .. seriously .. you need to take more vacations.

        This stuff brings out your worst. You have already admitted that here before your sign off after the lord of the flies dementia of MBP.

        It sounds like you are admitting and guilt and saying "oh yeah .. try and prove it."

        Fine .. whatever .. be warned. I am not kidding about reporting to authorities and linking it directly here should I have any personal hacks due to what you and jebus think is funny.

        • Actually trolls bring out my best work. I turn disgust and anger into productive energy.

          I personally don't give a eff who you are, I know all I need to know.

          • bo bo

            It's freaky how closely this aunat'ai seems to have been watching enenews..knows details like stock leaving after MBP to anne drama & genesis of Off Topic forum.

            Pretended to be a blushing newcomer but now dark & disturbing.
            Kind of more disturbing than the other more aggressive trolls.
            Be careful everyone.

          • Metalbeard Metalbeard

            From my observation, true professionals worst work is still better than your best work. This I know by comparing professional journals to what I see on your site from a technical merit POV. Its OK because information is consumed and your work is another data point. I've seen many Fukushima blog sites. One of the best from a technical content POV is the Hiroshima Syndrome site. The technical content alone far surpasses nuke pro. I'm just offering my personal opinion on the technical merits alone. I can cut through the rants, but at its very core the underlying message or the takeaway is that you just spent four years of your life just tilting at a giant windmill. I wish you well and hope you see the futility of your chosen tactics. At least AGR doesn't spew the kind of invective seen at nuke pro. Even though most of that site is also technically inaccurate, I don't get the feeling the people that work that site are as angry and self congratulatory.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Most professionals can be found snorting and/or are smoking crack these days..just saying. 🙂

              Do not bring the term professional here since few currently exist on this planet!

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Thanks to Rose! 🙂

                Here are your professionals! What a joke! 🙁

                "The chief of the Fukushima nuclear power station has admitted that the technology needed to decommission three melted-down reactors does not exist, and he has no idea how it will be developed."

                • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                  The technology to decommission the site exists. Do you believe everything you read from a journalist? First off ask what tasks are required then go get what you need to complete the task. There are several ways one can do this – first way is to walk away and chain the fence. Second way is to clean up the mess as best one can and then chain up and walk away. Third way – get all the complainers to come up with a better way. You seem to do that well, let's hear your plan. There is no shortage of complaining from my POV.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Hey goof ball..I do not want to clean up your stinking mess!

                    Got it! 🙂

                    I do not want anymore of your Nuclear Crap messes ever to occur on this planet! 🙂

                    I want you and your kind and this technology buried for all time since you professionals are clueless on how to handle any disaster you create.

                    None of these facts make any of you professionals and it simply makes you opportunists sucking the life out of this planet and every human being required though force of removed taxation of/by law to pay for all your unprofessional folly! 🙁

                    You cannot have not solved shit since 1945! 🙁

                  • combomelt combomelt

                    "The chief of the Fukushima nuclear power station….

                  • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                    What kind of materials do we have on this planet that could pick up a fissioning corium?You know there's this thing called the Wigner effect. Steel, tevlar, depleted uranium? What do we have that won't embrittled under these amounts of radiation. I want to know. I'm just an airhead housewife. How the f can I stop this? I have small children. There is nothing I wouldn't do to stop this? We can't even get them to stop producing these messes, much less clean the unimaginable mess we have made. What about the aerosolized corium in the air? The scattered corium in the Pacific? The bags and bags of radioactive soil? The sewer sludge? For God's sake man, if you can't clean it up, quit doing it til you figure out how? Damn them for doing this to our children and damn you if you were part of it. Clean up your damn mess! You think they should just walk away. That says a lot about you. Leave it to future generations of our deformed, mentally challenged children you spit upon. Thanks a lot. My unborn grandchildren curse you for their lot. Way to go you bunch of arrogant, idiot assholes. I hope you were well paid to fuck up everything for everyone.

            • LOL one of the best is Hiroshima Syndrome…..that site ignores all facts to promote the radiation cartel.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      yet another FBI snitch. Auna T'ai, you might have more in common with some of us than you think. Makes me long for the good old gestapo where at least they had cool uniforms and logos and stuff. Where did all the good graphic artists go?

      At least dress the part, it would give us something to admire and the girls go crazy for a snappy uniform
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo#/media/File:Grey_SS_Gestapo_uniform.jpg

      “There were relatively few secret police, and most were just processing the information coming in. I had found a shocking fact. It wasn’t the secret police who were doing this wide-scale surveillance and hiding on every street corner. It was the ordinary German people who were informing on their neighbors.”
      https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-amerikan-gestapo-wants-you-to-snitch/

    • Jebus Jebus

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      • t'ai

        Dear Admin. This script had been threatened to have primacy concerns for me.

        This kind of threat and disclosure are actually unprecedented in Ene history.

        Please delete these.threads with bthid information. It is not easily obtained information and is being used in a potentially harmful way given the opportunity to more personal information.

        I don't care if you ban me .. not the first time we have discussed it. Death by admin??

        Please do delete the potentially harmful gravatar links ..

        And please do delete my personal information.

        Thank you.

        • Jebus Jebus

          WTF are you blabbering about? It is just the source of the page you post your drivel and bullshit on.

          Are all you pro nuckers that technically challenged that you have to dream up your nuclear calculations on the back of an old envelope?

          All you have to do is right click and view the source of the html code in any browser. You can whine and cry all you want to.

          You are a decieving individual aunavoz, just like the rest of your fish head buddies…

          • Metalbeard Metalbeard

            Are you really that insecure that you have to call people you disagree names then try to hunt down and identify them? I sadly have to agree there is a little underhandedness going on here. Just give it a rest. This place may be safe haven for you but you surely do not want kharma hitting you. Goes around comes around.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              I gave you some real good advice once and it appears you did not listen to it.

              Change your career and embrace life and not these death machines..

              • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                This is the second day of my posting. I have never conversed with you. While I appreciate the fact that you feel the need to give me advice it would be ill advised for me or anyone for that matter to take advice from someone who believes in some of what you believe to be true. Anyone that truly lives that way is missing out on life. I don't plan to spend my life in constant fear over issues that have now been shown not to be what you claim. As far as my choice of work, as with anyone else's choice, is what the good Lord called me to do. Life is too short. A hundred years tops. We want to leave the planet in better shape for our children their children and so on. You can either be in curmudgeon mode or you can actively participate. Your choice.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  You have been here before, as I recognize your brain, logic and thinking patterns. Which I do not approve of and why I gave you the advice I did.

                  I think it has to do with my grasp of the Force. 🙂

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Study the links, pictures I posted for you and you will see your planet's future unfolding right before your eyes.. 🙂

                    I can guarantee it/the end result if we do not change course immediately and shut all this Nuclear Technology down.

                    Are those pictures the neighbors you want to see living next door in the future?

                    Are you ready for your great grand children to look in the mirror and see those same images staring back at them?

                    Wake up! The precious you desire is not worth it!
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tq0xxQkKTE

                • m a x l i

                  "We want to leave the planet in better shape for our children their children and so on."

                  Here is how you do it:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNV0cmKO8sM

                  Now you can be very proud.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    These are our best professionals doing their best work! 🙁

                  • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                    Everything on YouTube is truth. You can do better. I did not even have to open the link.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Avoiding post's and links you can not counter with your finetuned pr lies obviously is one of the "mark's of the beast" your kind has demonstrated here again and again..
                      If you would be the container of honest goodwill, worried for all children etc they all claimed to be..by acting butthurt about the lack of mutual (dishonest) politness and even "shill have right's too" BS they would change their tune from the first proof..that they might be defending the biggest evil on this planet..
                      Sofar , non of your kind has done that..
                      Evil bunch all of you..

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Typo : "by acting butthurt" is
                      "AND acting butthurt "

                  • m a x l i

                    If you would open the link, you would see decaying barrels of nuclear waste on the bottom of the English Channel. Off course those barrels are not real, neither are the persons in the video speaking out, sighting documents and making measurements real. It's all holographic projections put there by the aliens from Niburu with a little help from Greenpeace and the Treemasons – at least that would be a good explanation if you love conspiracy theories and have an allergy against physical evidence and facts.

            • He is not calling you names. This is what he is pointing at…

              The Psychopathy Of Corporations; "I Am Fishhead"
              http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/psychopathy-of-corporations.html

            • Jebus Jebus

              @MBP, you're vector of darkness was identified long ago…

              What are you afraid of?

              I will freely give you my name and address.

              You can come over anytime.

              I'll get out the barbie and well cook up some bluefin tuna fillets, steamed clams, and alaskan halibut.

              I'll get some shitake mushrooms to wrap in english wild bacon and for desert we'll have a grand imported Japanese cherry pie…

              My friends and I will watch Pandora's promise with ya and we can discuss the highlights afterwards…

  • bowling

    only psychopaths like you wlould trade blod dreath and disease for money and investment.

    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

      Name calling just cements fear and insecurity.

      • melting mermaid melting mermaid

        Fear and insecurity. Seriously? I remember the good ole days when a mother could tell her children, " Life goes on". Not anymore. Thanks, nuclear. When is our electricity going to be too cheap to meter? More war, you betcha! Our economy depends on it. Too bad all our smart people depend on institutional stupidity for their paychecks. Oh well, mankind we had a good time while it lasted. MAD anyone?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    But look at the size of my bank account..this must be real! 🙂

    Sadly the vultures are now waiting in line..and it's really only a matter of time. 🙁

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    " Your kind continue to put the US standard of living at risk."?
    Garbage. There is no living on a dead planet. Fukushima MAY kill the planet, given 100 years or less: total reproductive failure, failure of chlorophyll, mutated microbes causing pandemics, so many choices.
    But if Fukushima doesn't do it, the next one will seal the deal. And the next one. And the next one. FYI: I've lived in a house without wires, not even solar, for 40 years. My standard of living was just fine. Until Fuku.

    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

      I have to disagree on many points. I have no reference frame for others you may have issues but this is by far not a dead planet. In reading the latest news, it would appear that you believe Fukushima is the end of humanity. I'm having difficulty finding evidence to support your position. Even 35 yes after TMI the effects of nuclear fallout from these mishaps have been greatly exaggerated. The nuclear era is almost 80 years old and the planet and humanity are no worse for the wear. More radiation was put in the atmosphere from Kushtym and people are still here. Life will continue here.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        You certainly do not understand bioaccumulation as a concept and that is very sad. A/the tipping point may be reached simply from this latest Fukushima disaster that you say the event is a no worries.

        Once the food chains start to collapse the rest of modern civilization will follow suit. 🙁

        The Nuclear damage being done is now accumulative based simply on the increased back ground readings being documented by the NRC since the start of the this fiasco in 1945.

        You are not a God and you should get that whole line of thinking out of your head.. 🙂

        Throw it away!

        • Metalbeard Metalbeard

          I understand bio accumulation as a concept and a reality. I eat Pacific seafood with no fear. Can you say the same? I say no fear because I know from science that the fallout from Fukushima was not severe as you would think to take caution and not eat anything. By your premise if you believed bio accumulation were an issue then why stop at seafood. Knowing the reality of the consequences of the fallout I am free to eat whatever I go to restaurants and stores without fear of any radiation consequence. The toxicity of it all was neglible. I'm wondering with your position how are you able to eat anything? Must be a hassle to lug a pancake GM or other instrument to the store and secretly survey your food. I'm sure people had their opinion seeing some old guy scurrying about thinking everyone is doomed.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Once again goofball..you have no clue what the hell you talking about.. and are clueless to all the results being documented worldwide, and yes, your Nuclear Crap is now sadly in everything and not just the fish.

            I will repeat your Nuclear crap is now in everything to a degree and what you foolish non professionals do not realize is that you have been lucky for several reasons. 70% of the world is covered in water and only 30% is land mass and everywhere your Nuclear Crap has landed has caused pain suffering and diseases/cancers/deformities and blighted land. Now, since there are so few humans on this planet which are now crowded into cities with large amounts of the current land mass not actually inhabited the Nuclear death caused numbers have been relatively low.

            But generational damage is now showing up in the populations that were exposed to your Nuclear poisons and the more poison distribution allowed the more chance of these unwanted pushed on encounters in the environment and ecosystems for all humans and other biological exposed during their travels.

            This is what ongoing bioaccumulation guarantees and your/our luck is going to run out and then you will not be able to make enough of those sick people pink ribbons to go around. 🙁

            • Metalbeard Metalbeard

              No sir, you are incorrect, and please refrain from name calling.

              • or-well

                Nukist nincompoop.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Not incorrect and you think that is name calling? 🙂

                Not hardly and lets call it a refection of your current thinking patterns. 🙂

                I do not want to clean up any more of your created Nuclear Technology messes on this planet ever again..got it! 🙂

                This is why you/yours and this Nuclear Technology must be banned and shut down worldwide! 🙂 Now! 🙂

                • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                  Its name calling. It is what it is. Fear-based and insecure people always revert to name calling when losing an argument. George Carlin was right. Note I did not specifically call you a name by saying "people". When you use second person personal, or " you" then you direct the name to me. People here are now, on the second day of my presence, reverting to name calling. I can take some of it, but some are just plain nasty. How is that for your brotherhood of man?

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Get over it! Grow up!

                    Be a man!

                    End this Nuclear nightmare why you still can.. 🙂

                    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                      There is no point in continued discourse with someone living the grand illusion. Or delusion.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      And that means what?

                      That people are finally waking up to this 70 year old Nuclear scam as they have to watch their loved ones die from cancers and varied diseases? 🙁

                      You mean they might be finally getting pissed off that they were forced to leave their homes and all their possessions?

                      Forced to relocate to other places and then be placed in hospitals to treat their Nuclear induced diseases, cancers, deformities so your kind of professional could/can have job?

                      You mean they are tired of paying for all the Nuclear folly?

                      You would be correct then!

                      Wake up!

            • Metalbeard Metalbeard

              I disagree with your assessment mainly because it is fear based than fact based. Over your lifetime you have consumed a wide variety of disinformation, conspiracy theories and just plain bad science that now the only course of action you can take is to believe it. You must believe it because to not believe it means you have wasted a great part of your life listening to those that want to tell you why life sucks and who to blame for it. But life doesn't suck and the world isn't imploding. There is still hope for you to have hope in humanity. Be on the side of good, not the side of ghloom.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Same song and dance..I am on the side of good!

                You should join the good side! 🙂

                You will not listen, just like you didn't the last time. 🙁

                Explain to me and all the others reading why this is your good side..please.
                https://www.google.com/search?q=chernobyl+and+Iraq+DU+weapon+cancers+mutations+and+deformities&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=hskWVe7cI4fZoATi5YCgBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1008&bih=525

                • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                  Everyone thinks they are on the side of good. You actually are good at manipulating conversation and debate as your attempted google search shows.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    I am not manipulating anything as I am just showing "you" the truth! 🙂

                    You can not and will not respond per my request because you know I am correct in all that I say. 🙂 I am very wise!

                    Face the "truth" young man! 🙂

                    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                      Your "truth" is only truth to you.Your request is not realistic and out of line. In the safety and security blanket of a one sided forum is one thing. Out in the real world is another. Nothing is keeping people from returning is fear. Fear perpetuated by like minded individuals who think the know "truth"

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Metalbeard is only one exemplar of the denial inherent to the disconnected. Those many who are disconnected from nature by thought and deed. As Sam says, fight them not because they can be changed, but to expose their folly to those who are predisposed toward truth.

                      It is an incontrovertible truth that the nuclear industry gambles the entire earth with their poison. A gambling bet they make while having no storage for the mounting tons of waste, enough to kill all things on a thousand earths. This is an uncontested truth, not hyperbole!

                      Expose this folly to the people who yet have some common sense and connection to the earth, sun, sky and sea. The hydra of denial and ignorance and manipulation will keep rearing its many heads. Stay the course!

                      Im hopping on my bicycle to catch Gasser

                    • or-well

                      @CodeShutdown…aw hell…thanks for yours.

                • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                  I disagree with your assessment mainly because it is fear based than fact based. Over your lifetime you have consumed a wide variety of disinformation, conspiracy theories and just plain bad science that now the only course of action you can take is to believe it. You must believe it because to not believe it means you have wasted a great part of your life listening to those that want to tell you why life sucks and who to blame for it. But life doesn't suck and the world isn't imploding. There is still hope for you to have hope in humanity.

                  • Sam Sam

                    Fundamentalist nucleoapes trying to reassure that all
                    is great and no danger whatsoever from nuclear. That
                    is their game plan. keep the industry going till dooms
                    day comes. They are brain dead and bat shit crazy.
                    As these zombies arise again and again to spread
                    their lies greet them with facts, not to convince them
                    but to tell the rest of the world the truth of the situation.
                    How do you convince a fundamentalist they are wrong?
                    Impossible task? Don't waste our time on it. Metal
                    beard comes across at so "reasonable." Just like
                    the richest person in the world Bill Gates promoting
                    in your back yard small nuclear installations. Where is
                    the nuclear waste going to? No sane answer as there is
                    none. Never has been one. We are truly living in the
                    darkest of the dark ages today. Worse than the flat
                    earth thinkers with the Catholic Church burning heretics
                    in Florence Italy. MetalBeard go over to Fukushima and
                    enjoy their food and hospitality for a year. Have a good
                    life on it. You can make millions on it. You Tube It.
                    Go live your lies. You too are probably full of hypocrisy
                    just like the Monsanto lobbyist refusing to drink
                    Roundup laced water as he was touting as safe.

              • danger kitty danger kitty

                socref/ Metalbeard, you would like to think our response is 'fear based'. It is anger. Anger at the slow burn destruction of all biological life on this planet. Do you know how you can tell that total reproductive failure has occured? You can't. Once that failure is locked in and becomes obvious to the morons in charge it's much, much too late to do anything about it. Genome destruction is unforgiving. No do overs.
                It's anger not fear, see the difference? Anger like a mother.

                • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                  I and my loved ones breathe the same air as you yet we do not live in fear over what you perceive is dangerous. I just lost a friend to cancer. People think they are the only one to feel empathy. The difference is I am not running around stating it was definitely radiation and nothing else. This individual never received a large acute dose and lived to almost 80. There are abomb survivors that have lived longer. Radiation in ultra low doses around microSv/hr have not been proven harmful. No slogans please.

                  • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                    http://www.france24.com/en/20150328-japan-whaling-ships-return-home-antarctic-with-no-catch/
                    Where did all the whales go? Oh yeah, super green, super safe nuclear killed them all.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      from the article :

                      "…Japan killed 251 minke whales in the Antarctic in the 2013-14 season and 103 the previous year, far below its target because of direct action by conservationist group Sea Shepherd…"

                      Thank you Sea Shepherd !

                    • bowling

                      That is horrible

                    • bo bo

                      Agree mm .. if there WERE any whales LEFT they might've killed just as much as last year..? Putting positive PR spin to hide the fact that Japan has been slowly killing the whales via another method..?

                      & DID.. I feel conflicted about sea shepard.. they bang pots & pans about this but not a word on fukushima. ..

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      & DID.. I feel conflicted about sea shepard.. they bang pots & pans about this but not a word on fukushima. ..


                      bo , i know they are controversial , but i watched part's of footage of them in action , and they have bigger cojones then me lol
                      And they have overcome big troubles and are still in action..
                      If they manage to make a difference..then i appreciate them for that difference.. 🙂

                      The word on Fukushima..is up to other's i guess , they are specialised in fighting the harpoon's… with some succes it appear's..

                    • bo bo

                      Very true.. but still..why.. if they care about the ocean.. WHY… (T_T)

                    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                      http://www.sputniknews.com/world/20150328/1020122096.html
                      Whhaat the hell? Poor seals. Stupid humans…???

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      World Animal Day, They care since 1931…

                      World Animal Day, first marked in 1931 at a convention of ecologists in Florence, Italy, is celebrated on Saturday. 10/4/2014

                      "October 4 was not chosen at random; it is the Feast Day of St. Francis of Assisi, the patron saint of animals."

                      http://sputniknews.com/society/20141004/193659503.html

                  • Did the school you go to ever teach you about hot particles? Ever see one before in a lung?

                    One Hot Particle of PLUTONIUM 239, Calculation Of Radiation Damage In Lung
                    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/08/one-hot-particle-of-plutonium-239.html

                    Do you know about latency periods, and what it is for lung cancer for example, after a hot particle sticks in it?

                  • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

                    Chemtrails. Now that is bad science. The issue is what to do with the science. What to do with scientists. New grads fueling the growth of corporate hegemony. What is to be done with these enemies of the people? Science is directed to fulfill the desire of the corporatocracy and the coffers of monied elite. It is all about power and control. Science is the foundation of their power. Not used for benefit cause it can't solve for left brain domination.

              • Metal; "Over your lifetime you have consumed a wide variety of disinformation, conspiracy theories and just plain bad science that now the only course of action you can take is to believe it."

                Ever hear of projection?

                Projection – How It Is Embedded Inside Of Religion, Military, Media, CIA, Nuclear Industry And More
                http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/10/projection-and-moral-hazards-of-nuclear.html

                Metal; got projection?

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Danger Kitty, so you are truly "wireless" 🙂 My first few years were totally wireless too. It was peaceful, sleep was good.

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    Socref, it wasn't 'trace' amounts. see my 11 pm post. Can you imagine? Hours of approoaching the fire with an armload of soaking wet brush, throwing it on the fire and ducking out of the smoke, and repeat. I was absorbing the bio accumulation of MANY ACRES of rainout. The taste of metal was a 'dead' giveaway. You are a moron. And an accesory/apologist for mass murder

    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

      Are you replying to my post or to some other poster? If you are replying to me I would appreciate 1 addressing me by my avatar and 2 refraining from name calling. We can do this one of two ways – having a nice exchange without the name calling, or just reverting to slinging mud. Your choice.

      • danger kitty danger kitty

        Oh yeah, Metalbeard/socref, I am talking to you. It's hilarious how you think you can hide who and what you are, You are an apologist/ accesory to mass murder. Mother and child killer. I feel no obligation to be polite.
        This is not your first time here, socref. You are reviled not just because you are pro-nuclear, you are a despicable misogynous deviant; remember your brief incarnation as Good Plutonium? Thats you.
        The fallout/rainout here was not just 'trace amounts'. Moron.

        • Metalbeard Metalbeard

          Since I have been polite it would behoove you to do the same. I realize you believe the rules should not apply to you. You feel above it all. Again name calling is all you know.

          • be the better man…..lol

            Please be polite as I kill your children…..

            ain't buying it. there is a time and place for anger and direct commentary without any pretense of being politically correct.

      • combomelt combomelt

        soc………………………….ref

        ugh….. tooo many friggin aliases to list y'all.

        ignore, rinse repeat folks

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Don't forget Diff Bully , he tryed to use assumed divised/polarised political tension's too to get a foot inside..

          • melting mermaid melting mermaid

            sometimes I miss Bill Duff. Sorry. And Ness.

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              Hi MM , i don't (sorry) , he's psychopatic levels way overclassed hes occasional usefullness..(to me)

              Ness , i'm not sure , wassent that the one with that awesome avatar that after unsuccesfull mandating we would expand our activity's in to other territory , turned from frustration in to a full blown troll.. not sure..i could be mistaken..

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                I think i'm mistaken..Ness was that dark wizard avatar and more recent ?

                • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  did not read much of her post's , hence vague memory..

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    Actually , I kind of liked Ness.
                    At the time, I was a bit wary and weary of numbers.
                    And I apologize.

                    "Physicists still do not boggle at esoterica, provided there is a prospect that they can couple theory with the real world. The seemingly supernatural magic of quantum theory, ridiculed by Einstein himself, eventually found its vindication in transistors and a host of other practical demonstrations.

                    Today, some scientists complain that theorists have ventured into a realm so remote from what can be verified that physics is in danger of reverting to something like cabalistic mysticism. But even as they acknowledge that risk, most physicists would probably agree that great visions are at the core of great science."

                    Mathematics And Magic
                    Oct 18 1987

                    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/18/magazine/mathematics-and-magic.html

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Aah yes , the alternative scientist , thanks Heart , those post were to difficult for me to read.. so i stayed out of it..and therefore have no clue ..

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Science and discovery are not the problem.

                      The future of mankind hinges upon the discovery of that great science.

                      How mankind applies that great science, will determine the results…

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Yes, my friend.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Indeed 😎

          • And tried to incite people to violence and threats, especially against the commander in chief which is a major lawbreaking move.

            • Jebus Jebus

              Fear, They Expect It, I Am Not Abe…

            • melting mermaid melting mermaid

              Yeah, he was either violently AntiNuke or a alphabet shill trying to goad us into violence. I never did figure it out. But I remain a fan of benevolent restraint or punishing them by making they live off minimum wage and no safety net or benefits. Lol. I'm just kidding. That would be cruel.

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              Indeed stock , he was trouble in more way then one..
              MM , he was from the pro fossil fuel brigade , just another camp of killer's..slightly less imminent danger..slightly..

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                wow , Its good to see the forum is very actif today..almost 6.5 pages of comment's..a troll is good for the bloodflow it seem's..

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    Metalbeard/socref/Mother and Child Killer says;
    " There is no point in continued discourse
    with someone living the grand illusion. Or
    delusion."
    Good, go away. You disgust me.

  • Cisco Cisco

    By responding and arguing with the current set of trolls, you are rewarding them with a paycheck. Their optimal objective is to turn the discussion into a bitch fight, dominating LATEST COMMENTS. section. That's where we are, now.

    When discussion boards are monopolized by trolls, viewer ship declines. Bitch fights are an absolute turn off to business people like journalists, researchers, scientists, physicians, et al…the very people that ENENEWS wants to reach the most.

    If they can't show their bosses that they are controlling the conversations, then they have to go and get a real job. They are the lowest of the low in the nuclear proliferation feeding chain.

    It's all about their paycheck, the facts be damned.

    Pathetic excuses for

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      All right, Cisco, you're right, I'm done for now. Just wanted to be sure folks know who this recurring entity is. Not his first time here…

      • melting mermaid melting mermaid

        Right, danger kitty. What I wouldn't give to dive back into the grand illusion. Some one send me a blue pill. I want out of the rabbit hole. It sucks. It really really sucks. And I get made fun of. People laugh at me for my concern. And now we're evil anti nuclear. FFS! We didn't make this mess, but we're sure the hell going to have to deal with the repercussions.

    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

      I'm sorry, couldn't help it. Look our best and brightest are in the news again. http://www.rt.com/usa/244513-cat-litter-radiation-leak/
      Makes me embarassed to be human.

      • WIPP it good, and be sure to get some more of that kitty litter that explodes, burns and spreads PU all over the place..

        Don't have to take it to the dump.

        When it gets 'dirty', it just destroy itself spontaeously by either burning or exploding.

        What a GREAT IDEA!

        (sarc)

    • Shaker1

      Well, for me personally, I think what's worse here is beat up on each other. Trolls are going to be here and they're going to pique individual demands for response. It's quite another to be going 'round and 'round again over issues that persist between each other. Hey, I don't mind the comment strays and isn't dry emotionally dry. At times its ridiculous and, as others observe, too, isn't much (and maybe any) different than the current resident of the troll-niche. Most of us have been here a while and we know what will irritate another individual or the general community that it shouldn't start to begin with most times, and at others should be over quickly. Let's get it together on both sides of those persistent issues.

    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

      Incorrect. How do you figure someone is being paid to post. Most physicians, scientists, educators, engineers, and other professions are not extreme in their views as some here. I came this site to offer an alternate hypothesis to the pu241 in the atmosphere. What showed up as expected was the cavalcade of extremists with their name calling, intimidation and bullying tactics. Some of you are OK, others are disgusting. I would expect this reflects an accurate cross section of this demographic. You all should be proud of yourself for this bad behavior.

    • Cisco, but trolls do have a way of bringing lurkers out of the fog and into true activism.

      So in a way the occasional troll helps the anti nuke cause and also validates the effectiveness of ENENEWS, even if I despise them.

      • Metalbeard Metalbeard

        You should not despise anyone for posing alternate hypothesis to your hypothesis. Its all about examining the infomation presented here. The only way to objectively examine an issue is to leave ideology and ego at the door. I've only responded to this topic and feel I can explain some of anomalies in the data. Data expressed in Bq units are meant to imply large doses. Micro Curies don't seem as frightening. My assertion is that one cannot back track source term without considering time. Its been four years for Fukushima and almost 30 years since Chernobyl. There is enough Pu241 in the air from many sources and to attribute all of it to Fukushima 3 doesn't explain why activities to defuel the SFP would occur of many believe all up in the atmosphere.

        • Jebus Jebus

          But your view on that is that the sum of all that is ok.

          The result is not, and you know it. Thats why you are here…

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Metalbeard claims to be a scientific voice of reason, yet ignores the science data. The same is true for the nuclear industry at large.

          Instead of a continued stream of empty assurances nuclear is safe and poisonous releases are small, why not stick with and analyze facts?

          It is undisputed that Fukushima released enough heavy metal poison to kill untold millions of animals, leaving a large uninhabitable region. Four destroyed nuke plants continue to spill large amounts of deadly toxin into the environment and one scientific study shows orca will have bio accumulated morbid radiation levels within a few short years. Thats the factual starting point.

          Now parse this paper, since you dispute Pu241 and Am241 was discharged at high levels, and is surely contributing to the 45% of birds and animals having genetic damage shown in studies.

          (whew, legs are tired, couldnt catch Gasser, hes too fast having too much fun!)

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3297203/

          http://enenews.com/govt-report-1000000-bqm3-plutonium-detected-ocean-fukushima-contaminated-waters-transported-rapidly-east-across-pacific-fukushima-crisis-important-direct-liquid-release-artificial-radioactivity/comment-page-1#comment-650522

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            in 30 years, Cesium 137 levels in canadian killer whales will exceed 1,000 becquerels per kilogram— 10 times the Japanese guideline for food. (based on levels of Cesium 137 of 0.5 becquerels per cubic meter, 1/8 of what has already been measured offshore) 1000 to 8000 Bq/kg of heavy metal nuclear fallout is a morbid level, all but assuring the orca are doomed to extinction.

            http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Troubled+waters+Nuclear+radiation+found+pose+health+concerns/9606269/story.html#ixzz3G9oZHU37

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            dont be deceived by pro nuclear lies or denial that the worlds biggest nuclear accident is not deadly!

            "At least 220,000,000 kg of sea life will die.
            It can be concluded that Fukushima is the biggest natural and industrial nuclear event which mankind ever experienced in its history"

            http://www.npsag.org/upload/reports/00-004/00-004%20Castle%20Meeting%202011%2009%20-%20Paper.pdf

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Its either a lie or psychotic denial that Fukushima has had low levels of emissions, is under control and is not harming anything.

            Fukushima fallout is not only 3.7 times bigger than Chernobyl; but, more importantly, 28.3 times more radiotoxic with every breath you take. http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/6913#sthash.UccAbo0p.dpuf

            cesium-137 is 12 million times more radioactive than natural potassium-40 per gram.
            Highly-radioactive fission products such as Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 emit 10 to 20 million times more radiation per unit volume than does Potassium-40. Not only is nuclear fallout many millions of times more toxic than the background radiation from postassium40, it is also a heavy metal poison and accumulates in specific organs. This is why its absurd to compare deadly nuclear fallout to background radiation, the standard ploy of the nuclear cabal.

            Gasser, wait! Im riding as fast as I can, but not getting anywhere!

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

              Code, your posts always describes Fukushima as much less lethal than the truth. As far as actual codes and fuel Fukushima is 50 times worse than Chernobyl and this does not count reactors 5 and 6 a Fukushima Daiichi, not all the other reactor meltdowns throught Japan.

              Then plutonium is 2,000,000 times more lethal than uranium and Fukushima with finely ground MOX containing finely ground plutonium which detonated in a nuclear detonation has spew 429 lethal doses of radiation for each of the 7.5 billion people on the planet.

              Because of all the plutonium, Fukushima is 1000s of times worse than Chernobyl.

              30 years from now the whales will have all died, o the amount of cesium bio-accumulated is a moot point. Most or the plant and marine animals are already dead in the Pacific Ocean, and what is lest is already too radioactive to eat.

              WIPP and Hanford has shown us that nuclear waste cannot even be stored for 5 years. And who is going to pay for all the destruction from exploded and leaking casks?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                TYPO: As far as nuclear cores and nuclear fuel waste and otherwise…

              • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                PJ. Consensus from the established scientific community confirmed radiation levels were not deadly as many had insisted before. I'm not going to engage ideology. Im just reiterated what the established consensus has put forth.Dr. Busby and his views are not part of that consensus.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  What do you call more than 10 Sieverts/per hour the highest possible that they could measure?

                  What do you call 27,000 cpm?

                  Why does anyone wear protective gear at Fukushima

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  Metalbeard, what do you call 1,000,000 Sieverts per hour?

                  Up to 1,000,000 sieverts per hour outside Fukushima Unit 1 containment vessel — Still too hot to attempt measuring other areas (PHOTO & VIDEO)
                  http://enenews.com/up-to-1000000-sieverts-per-hour-outside-unit-1-containment-vessel-still-too-hot-to-measure-other-areas-in-building-photo

                  • Metalbeard Metalbeard

                    Somewhere near the reactor core. No human will go in there no big deal.Don't go in there. Site boundary probably 10 mSv. No big deal for trained health physicists. Way Wigner says intensity goes as time^-1.2. So over time its decreasing much like the intensity decreases in the sfp.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Lethal radioactivity keeps increasing the first 250,000 years after a nuclear meltthrough.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Dr Michio Kaku, theoretical physicist:
                      “…Note that the lethality of radioactive reactor cores goes up the first 250,000 years they are out of the reactor – not down.
                      “Looking at the current Japanese meltdown as more than 50 Chernobyls is just the start. In addition, the fate of the four nearby reactors at Fukushima Daini is as yet unknown by the outside world. Working at the nearby reactors, only 10 km (6 miles away) is a quick, painful death sentence. They are inside the mandatory evacuation zone.
                      “This much is known. All radioactive exposures are cumulative for each human, animal and plant. What’s more, mutated genetic codes are passed on to offspring forever. This means all Japanese and all Northern Hemisphere inhabitants are suffering internal radioactive contamination from Fukushima Daiichi reactors already….”
                      http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/

                  • Angela_R

                    PT?
                    You state "Up to 1,000,000 sieverts per hour outside Fukushima Unit 1 containment vessel"

                    as a translator you would surely query such a measurement….

                    Japan is the only country I know, that measures in 'NANO SIEVERTS PER HOUR'

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      See my comment just below your following comment which is a expanded version of this comment of your.

                  • Angela_R

                    PT, you state "Up to 1,000,000 sieverts per hour outside Fukushima Unit 1 containment vessel"

                    Japan is the only country I know that measures in NANO Sieverts. Surely you would have queried this reading…

                    If the reading was 1,000,000 nano Sieverts per hour, that is equivalent to 0.001 Sieverts.

                    Please clarify, was the reading 1,000,000 Sieverts or was it nano Sieverts, milli Sieverts or micro sieverts?

                    and metalbeard, irrespective, the reading would be far too high.

                    PT, you have spoken of being a translator, so surely, if you understand anything about nuclear chemistry, you would realize the importance of accurancy in these measurements…..

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Angela, what you are referring to, 1,000,000 Sv/hr is the title of a enenews.com headline and I gave you the link to that headline which gives the reference to a TEPCO handout and a link to a Arnie Gundersen video.

                      Please check the links and read for yourself the TEPCO handout. The severity of the radiation at Fukushima cannot be minimized and according to Michio Kaku the lethality of this radiation will be increasingly greater for the next 250,000 years.

                      The cores are in the ground and this lethality is being released into the ocean. There is no way to stop this which is why everything is dying in the ocean and the Pacific is warming and warming the entire planet. The scientific community should make clear that the heat from radioactive decay on land and in the ocean and in the ground will continue to heat the planet and kill off all species. The the ground this will heat the core of the earth which is why there is increasing activity from volcanoes.

                    • Angela_R

                      but PT, I am asking YOU to examine, to validate, not ENENEWS or TEPCO.

                      How can you continue to repeat unless you do that?

                      You have a responsibility to check with the source; you have been asked more than once. You are not a parrot, you have a responsibility to clarify.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      I hope you can read Angela:

                      “…3. Radiation dose of the accumulated water
                      “…. However, the dosimeter seems to have failed as it indicated order values of 10^8 -10^9 mSv/h during the
                      measurement and the values did not change until the dosimeter was brought back up…”

                      Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
                      Unit 1 Reactor Building Torus Room
                      Investigation Result (June 26, 2012)
                      (Pipe Penetration Area on the First Floor of R/B
                      June 27, 2012
                      Tokyo Electric Power Company
                      http://fukuleaks.org/web/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/handouts_120627_02-e.pdf

                    • Angela_R

                      "I hope you can read Angela"

                      I can, and I asked you a question @ 9.40am.

                      Time and time again, I have noted that, IMO, you have very little knowledge of chemistry, particularly nuclear chemistry.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      My chemistry teacher told me I was the best student he ever had.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  How about 5 persons who received lethal doses of radiation? What would you call high doses of radiation?

                  March 16th, 2011 – Japan reports 5 persons have received lethal radiation doses
                  http://enformable.com/2012/01/march-16th-2011-japan-reports-5-persons-have-received-lethal-radiation-doses

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

              Code: "Its either a lie or psychotic denial that Fukushima has had low levels of emissions, is under control and is not harming anything. "

              I deny that "Fukushima has had low levels of emissions, is under control and is not harming anything" and I am not psychotic. The levels of radiation emitted at Fukushima are at lethal levels constantly.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Maybe so, but this guy has done so much damage to this Nuclear industry here, it's unbelievable, because every time I post the following links the truth jumps off the pages and directly into the readers minds. 🙂

    Is this real? Is it happening in real time? Today?

    The answer is always.. Yes! Right now!

    All one has to do is click and read and the Truth will set them free! 🙂
    https://www.google.com/search?q=chernobyl+and+Iraq+DU+weapon+cancers+mutations+and+deformities&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=D9AWVY2LIcHxoATG24HwBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1008&bih=525

  • Sam Sam

    these nucleoapes coming here reminds me of that kind of dog
    at the dog park who befriends your dog but then goes for the
    throat in play. Friendly but vicious. Have to tag them all the
    time and warn the new comers to be aware of wolves in
    sheep clothing.

  • Checkmate

    Metalboard, You stated that you were a professional and know nuclear, now my question to you is since you are a profound expert and of high standings- Why don't you tell us exactly how you would process all nuke waste immediately so that it is no longer radioactive- immediately. If you provide this answer, we all will bow down to you…
    In the meantime, why are you wasting good time on this site arguing-when you could be spending the time more wisely working on the nuke waste answer?… I am no being smart, I'm just asking and trying to understand, sir.

    • +10000

      And if he could also answer where the multiple melted out coriums are, that would be helpful.

      Would Metal mind very much taking care of that teensy weensy issue as well, since he is so concerned about humanity and providing a better future for them.

      Probably a cat pooper scooper will do the job, since nuclear is so safe.

      (sarc)

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Dr. G, I think your close to a breakthrough. 😉

        We need some Catshepards, a herd of cats, and cat-sand. Borated.

        Throw it all in the hole, and let nature take over.

        WIPP it, WIPP it good. 🙂

        • Metalbeard Metalbeard

          It won't need to be borated since its a fast neutron system and deeply subcritical. Putting boron in a subcritical fast system would be nonconservative since the atomic number of boron -4 is light and will moderate neutrons. Neutrons that slow down can cause fast fission in u235 and 238u and thermal fission from spontaneous fission neutrons. I nlike the reannealing concept and will look into it more.

          • hbjon hbjon

            This reasoning is unsound and you are not fooling anyone. Obewan and others have scrubbed you with softsoap while you continue to neglect and despise the truth. Much more of this nonsense and don't be surprised if they use something a bit stronger that can lift even the most deeply entrenched misbeliefs. Boraxo?

      • Metalbeard Metalbeard

        Its highly unlikely any corium went to far. Corium which contains highly dense fuel/clad is twice as dense as lead and 6 times as dense as concrete. Its probably still in the vessel but this being a vintage plant could have migrated through control rod drive pennetrations. Of metal slag cools slow it will anneal in place. The only way to move it would be to anneal it back to the original temperature. I would wait 5 years to let corium radioactivity settle to the zero potential energy level. Plus radiation intensity in gamma/sec will be no greater than spent fuel. This operation would be no different than recovering slag steel in a mill. Just radioactive so maybe robots and drones can do the majority of the ops.

    • Metalbeard Metalbeard

      In the 1990s we used and demonstrated pyroprocessing actines back in the reactor. It was so good that Clinton had the ear of nonproliferation zealots like Frank von hippel and hazel o Leary shut it down. 20 years later the reports were found in South Korea and now they are demonstrating it. There are some burner reactors that scare the IEER to write negative press without really knowing. I challenged Arjun and he could not answer only to pull out unrelated concerns with older sodium reactors. A lead bismuth reactor can consume actinides as would an accelerator spallation neutron source. Leslie DeWan has a concept burner reactor. Venture capitalists already have pumped in 100 million. The next ,10 years will be important for developing actinode burners. South Korea will have the first reactor pyroprocess.China and Russia might be in it too. The missing participant will be the US. Thanks Hazel.

      The issue

    • Jebus Jebus

      Yes, proliferation. Thats on you…

  • What was the final call on Ness? Was she/it actually a troll or just bat shit crazy?

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Since the thread is about Nookliar air pollution, where is some more, there is plenty, ya know?

    Here's some, safe and sound, getting a suntan.

    http://postimg.org/image/p3jarxk7h/

    Where the hell is that place? Near Surprise, so appropriate. 🙂

    http://postimg.org/image/lblgxskr9/

    Where is the hole for NookPoop, 70yrs and counting?

  • Cisco Cisco

    GREAT JOB ADMIN!

    ENENEWS scoops Global Reseach article today on German reporting of "Fukushima: Uranium and Plutonium Contamination of Large Areas of Oceans, Ground-water, Soils". [ http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukushima-uranium-and-plutonium-contamination-of-large-areas-of-oceans-ground-water-soils/5439271 ]

    How much more proof of extreme, high-level, radioactive fallout in the Northern hemisphere does it take before the false meme/propaganda, Fukushima is not a global threat, is outed. There are none so blind as those who will not see, because it's all about the money and paychecks.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Magic Bullets…

    Resuspension of coarse fuel hot particles in the Chernobyl area.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11202686

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