Gov’t Expert: Fukushima hot particles can’t be dissolved, even with hot nitric acid! — Huge amounts of fallout are still bound to organic material… “we have very little knowledge about this” — “Reaction is irreversible” (PHOTO)

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Journal of Radioanalytical and Nuclear Chemistry, Volume 295, Issue 3, 2013 (emphasis added): [...] radionuclides were emitted from the FDNPP as airborne ‘hot’ particles [...] Subsequent interaction of the ‘hot’ particles with water (e.g. rainfall) dissolved and strongly fixed the radiocesium on rock and soil particles, thus changing the radiocesium into insoluble forms. [...] Consequently, ‘hot spots’ were studded on the rock surface rather than being uniformly distributed. [...] Leaching experiments demonstrated that radiocesium in rock, soil and river suspended sediment was fairly insoluble, showing that the adsorption [binding of particles to a surface] reaction is irreversible. The micro-scale heterogeneous distribution of radiocesium [...] was due to the presence of ‘hot’ particles in aerosols. [...] ‘hot’ particles in the aerosols [experienced] irreversible adsorption onto the soil particle complex [...]

Agricultural Implications of the Fukushima Nuclear Accident –  Radiocesium Absorption by Rice in Paddy Field Ecosystems (pdf), 2013: Unexpectedly, we found that the fallout was relatively insoluble and only a small percentage of the radiocesium could be extracted by a boiling water treatment followed by nitrate leaching. We have very little knowledge about this fallout, including its chemical form and properties, but huge amounts of this relatively insoluble radioactive fallout are still bound to organic matters [...]

Presentation by Yasuhito Igarashi of Japan’s Meteorological Research Institute at IAEA’s expert meeting (pdf), February 2014: Mar. 14-15 sample contained insoluble materials not only in water but hot nitric acid! […] They are insoluble; even refractory to conc. nitric acid. [...] They would persist for a long time in the environment as well as in living organisms.

Scientific Reports (Nature Publishing Group) — Emission of spherical cesium-bearing particles from an early stage of the Fukushima nuclear accident, Aug. 30, 2013: We analyzed the water solubility of Cs Particle 1 by comparing the particle’s shape before and after exposure to water. The results show that there was no change in shape, suggesting that the particle was insoluble to water at least during atmospheric transportation.

American Chemical Society Publication, Analytical Chemistry — Detection of uranium and chemical state analysis of individual radioactive microparticles emitted from the Fukushima nuclear accident… (Tokyo Univ., Japan’s Meteorological Research Institute), August 1, 2014: We explored the possible sources of the 14 elements (Cr, Mn, Fe, Zn, Rb, Zr, Mo, Ag, Sn, Sb, Te, Cs, Ba, and U) found within the microparticles [...] These particle natures suggest that they could have relatively long-term impact on the environment, i.e., the release of soluble radioactive Cs into the environment as these insoluble glassy particles degrade. Similar radioactive particles have been detected in soils, plants, and mushrooms [...] it is probable that [these particles are] the same as the microparticles characterized in our study.

See also: Scientists: 'Spheres' of radioactive material from Fukushima reported for first time -- Ball-like particles composed of cesium, iron, zinc -- Solid and insoluble in water -- Impact on human health needs to be examined (PHOTOS)

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139 comments to Gov’t Expert: Fukushima hot particles can’t be dissolved, even with hot nitric acid! — Huge amounts of fallout are still bound to organic material… “we have very little knowledge about this” — “Reaction is irreversible” (PHOTO)

  • We Not They Finally

    Why are these reports from scientific sources always released so late? (A year or more after written.) Just asking. It just starts to look like many branches of the international scientific community have been looking and been alarmed. How does all that cross-communication work? Again, just asking. I don't know.


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    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      WNTF… Maybe it's a case of trying to find a solution to the problem in hand, so that they can, in effect, just make it go away.

      But if no solution can be found, then release the reports about the problem, before they're leaked and you look like your trying to hide them.


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      WNTF- Many of These articles are readily available with some research, I have posted many times links to articles stating similar things. The problem is everyone is waiting for Enenews to spoon feed them the information.

      It's time to get pro-active and find the information for ourselves, and then share it with Enenews. There are many more of us, if we all started researching, we could get more information.

      Just go to Google Scholar, and there is an immense database of articles related to Fukushima.

      http://scholar.google.com/


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    • hbjon hbjon

      Because this is and always has been a new experiment with many unforeseen phenomena. Much has been learned over the 40 months of research by independent folks and organizations.

      On the decay chain of U238 (or any other transuranic isotope), the nuclei decays into a gas at some point and becomes mobile. Then the gas atom will decay to produce an atom that binds to other atoms and falls to earth as "fallout". Of course we know that water vapor can also be very mobile in the atmosphere and this behavior is similar to exposed fuel particles and atomized elements.

      There can be a happy little atom of Radon flying through the air, but all of a sudden it decays into a completely different element that sees its electric properties change. Now, the atom is hungry for a bond with another atom. That bond is a chemical bond that makes it fall to earth and be taken up by some poor little animal somewhere. The animals biological machinery will try to use the strange molecule and try to build something with it, unfortunately, the thing won't last long because the atomic nuclei is unstable and undergoes decay again. Symptoms of this are heart attacks and strokes. Highly effective livers and kidneys may identify and filter out the molecule, but then eventually those organs will lose function. I suppose an organism will try to sacrifice a less important body part to survive in extreme situations.


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    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      I have had the same question since months ago WNTF…. and do not have a clue on that …. anyway, I find it a little stinky…..
      Best regards WNTF


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      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Here's a fascinating NASA scientific visualization showing the weather over the Pacific Ocean side of the Earth:

        http://io9.com/the-earth-looks-like-a-living-creature-in-this-amazing-1619431855

        Take a good look at the weather over Japan, and follow it across the Pacific as it heads towards North America.

        That's where the radiation is blowing, and the ocean current with it.

        Of course, following the rest of the weather across both hemispheres, after 3 years it's pretty apparent the radiation didn't 'stay' in the Northern one. It's all pretty well mixed by now.


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Yes Doc Bucky Balls and all the salt water used trying to cool reactors. My understanding is water should never be used during meltdown at least that's what I read during the early days while researching the use of saltwater which is a big no no. Thus I'm it's no wonder why all these unusual events are occurring. Of course they were panicked with the EQ and Tsunami but I think the use of saltwater exacerbated problems


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  • dunkilo

    It's a mystery,I guess our Washington TICKS ,AKA blood sucking parasites,could give a flying fudge about us….Oh well,i get what I pay for , Nothing ….I DEMAND MY MONEY BACK !See yall good folks on the other side :)


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  • nuclear is the genie that men ought never have let out of the bottle… sheesh, even Moniz said at WIPP mtg yesterday via http://new.livestream.com/rrv/events/3267213

    @ 25:40 in "the uncertainty makes it hard for all of us"

    @ 20:30 – "sometimes its going to look like maybe the data are not being shared..frankly were developing it as fast as we can"

    and the kicker

    @ 23:30 looking at whether "good idea or not to move fwd by mingling commercial spent fuel w/our defense high level waste"

    … based on historic record of how man is unable to manage nuclear, even under good conditions, I'd say it's not a good idea…

    Humans just can not handle nuclear!


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    We don't know anything about the chemistry or physiology of hot particles.
    But we are about to add a lot to our understanding.
    Wind and solar are much better ideas than nuclear power.


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    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Actually, we know quite a bit more than we think we do, and the scientists above who were "surprised" at the insoluble particles might want ti ask themselves what happens to elements that are super-heated at over 2000 degrees before they fly out into the countryside. They turn to glass. That is, when things burn at high temps they become insoluble. I am surprised that this is such a mystery to these scientists. This is what happens to depleted uranium, and this is what makes it so much more dangerous than U238 that has not been burned at high temp as it flies through the air. The body can excrete 95% of soluble uranium within 2-3 days. Insoluble uranium, however, is much more long-lived inside the body. Durakovich, one of the original DU scientists for the vets, said he thought DU could stay in the human body about 20 years. I would think any insoluble compound would be similar. We aren't made to breathe or digest little caesium and uranium radioactive metallic particles. Wish I could be here another 20 generations to see the state of life then.


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Kudos to the late Prof. Rosalie Bertell for the lessons about the behaviour of soluble vs. insoluble uranium inside the human body.


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        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          I'll find the site that has all the books that we can read online from all of the authors that have written anti nuclear books studies ect ..I lost a buch of info and files so give me time ..


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          • clamshellernh clamshellernh

            Hmm that's the site eyechix posted ..we should all have it in our files ..it's one of the best ..and it's free , I was looking at it doing research when the EPA was asking for comments ..it's amazing ..


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Oh but there is nothing worry about. Don't listen to the animals either it's just a freaky coincidence. Like these whales and sharks that New Yorkers are oohing at as we speak. Because you know, it's totally normal.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/10/whale-shark-numbers-surge-new-york-waters

    Wake the fuck up people. Every time I read of these poor animals I lose that much more patience for people choosing to bury their heads in the sand. Oh the conversation I had with a particular idiot this week who told me that " IF Fuku is real, then it's good that the government is covering it up to reduce panic." We are our own worst enemies. Knowledge is power, so if people refuse to see the truth, then that is what will ultimately be the root of what gets us. We are surrounded by idiots – that's what will we be the root of our demise.


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    • HoTaters

      tsfw, if it makes you feel better, I talked with three young people a week ago who "got it." All three of them listened respectfully when I explained what happened at Fukushima, how the melted out reactors are spewing radiation non-stop and it's coming over on the jet stream. And about the mass animal deaths in the Pacific and on land, the cancers in Japan, about the WIPP accident, about the EPA shutting off the radiation monitors before the plume hit on 3/18, and so much more.

      And they listened. If I express my concern for them in a personal way, people usually listen.

      One of the young people I spoke with just graduated with a degree in environmental science, so he was especially interested. He knew nothing about Fukushima and was grateful for what I shared. I got into the FOIA documents with him. It was very worthwhile.

      Be of good cheer, for all the ostrich type people, there are intelligent people who will listen and seriously consider.

      One of the other two people was a medical professional who works in a laboratory. He took the links to Enenews and a number of other news sources, plus the info. on the Forum here, for protecting one's self against the effects of radiation.

      I do well in one on one conversations. Some people will listen. I'm beginning to find more people are aware now, when I go into places like Whole Foods or the Co-Ops, and ask people what they know about Fukushima.


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      • HoTaters

        There is always so much more info. that should be given – like on the status of all the spent fuel, all over the world, the dumping in the oceans, and on and on.

        Maybe some day I'll find the time to write up a comprehensive "nuclear history" piece that spells out the dangers we presently face, so people will know why they have every reason to oppose nuclear energy. For their sake, and the sake of their progeny.

        Might stick some pictures of local mutated plants and animals in that flyer to make it hit home.

        Right now, just trying to survive the day to day.


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    • HoTaters

      tsfw, yes, the comment about it's good having the government cover up the situation is just, well, stupid. I can see why getting that kind of reaction would be frustrating. I've had a couple of people just turn away from me and walk away when I was trying to explain it. Like it interfered with their social media perception of reality so they just tuned it out. Like you can turn off reality by just turning away. Like switching off a channel, flipping to another web page, or shutting off your phone.

      Some people just have no social skills anymore.


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  • be sure to check NRC meetings, including radioactive waste 18 Sept

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-08-11/html/2014-19025.htm

    9:30 a.m. Briefing on Management of Low-Level Waste, High-Level Waste, and Spent Nuclear Fuel (Public Meeting) (Contact: Cinthya I.
    Rom, 301-287-9091)


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Hot rains from Fukushima . .

    Sticks to everything .. roof tiles, sidewalks, asphalt, etc etc.


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    Speaking about radiation bound to organic material…

    Anybody fancy a cucumber sandwich ??

    "Japanese cucumber glows in the dark, sparks concern from internet"

    http://www.sott.net/article/283608-Japanese-cucumber-glows-in-the-dark-sparks-concern-from-internet


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  • Ummmm ya. Does not dissolve in nitric acid. Check. Dana and RadChick have been noting this nukes-do-not-dissolve with acid issue for at last 6 months now. Maybe now they just rip off talking points from no nukes folks. Pretty sure Dana reveals nuke/acid here

    Fukushima Radiation Like St Paddy's Day River Dye 1440 min a day for 1200 days (4-7-2014)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EwtQTQsIsM

    So now what?

    Fukushima: When Should The Hangings Begin ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyT9d2_X9dI

    For those lacking rope, but proficient in printing skills
    http://tinyurl.com/fukushimabusinesscard4u

    These nifty cards are easy to print and pass out.
    Or leave randomly, where ever you please. Distribute liberally.

    Other practical resources
    http://enenews.com/forum-best-practices-combating-effects-radiation/comment-page-13#comment-478924

    Get the rad word out, People. Now We are the news. Thank you.


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  • bo bo

    For any If anybody is interested… turns out there is actually an English speaking phone number at TEPCO you can call to claim compensation for damage due to Fukushima.

    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/index-e.html

    inquiries regarding Nuclear Accident Damage Claims, including the submission of the application for compensation requests, please contact : 0120 926 404 ( for fukushima )

    The full digits for calling international from U.S. this number would be : 011-81-120-926-404

    Office hours 9 am – 9 pm


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Hey, Bo. I don't eat seafood anymore. If I do now and then eat a little bite or two, I feel like a relapsing crack addict. What's that worth? I feel that having children would be a complete dirty trick on them. What's that worth? I fear the rain. $$$$????

      Dear Tepco…


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      • unincredulous unincredulous

        I used to feel fortunate to find organic cereal, with ingredients from Washington State's cascades area, at the discount store down the street. Just picked up a box today and read that it was from Blaine, WA. Put it down… Washington apples? Naa. California oranges, grapes, you name it… nope, got anything from Chile? Picked up something from Sveden. Thought about Chernobyl with a Fukushima topping. I think Tepco owes me a planet.


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        • bo bo

          Hi thanks uni.. it may be disrespectful but that was exactly what I was hoping out of that phone # ( don't have any delusions about TEPCO actually paying anybody )
          You're the perfect talent for this task…Call them on behalf of this planet.. leave a message.. record the ridiculously unincredulous conversation.. share.


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  • Yep, nothing to worry about:

    "On September 13, 1987, in the city of Goiania (Brazil), two individuals found a source of ionizing radiation used for medical teletherapy that contained 50.9 TBq (1375 Ci) of cesium-137, which had been abandoned in the interior of an empty building where a radiotherapy clinic had been functioning. They removed the rotating assembly of the shielding head of the medical teletherapy unit containing the radioactive source and brought it to the house of one of them. There, they violated the shielding and ruptured the source canister… . Part of the rotating shielding assembly containing the damaged source was sold to a scrap yard owner, who brought it home because he admired the blue glow that appeared in the dark. Small fragments of the source were distributed among relatives and friends. Some of them rubbed the material on their skin to appreciate its brightness. The accident was aggravated during the 16 days that elapsed between the rupture of the source and notification of competent authority. The source, in the form of cesium chloride salt (a highly soluble compound) and its inappropriate handling contributed to the dissemination of the cesium and, as a consequence, the contamination of many people and the urban environment.[...]"

    http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+7389

    [the rest of the story is worth reading - had to demolish houses, and so on ...].


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    Four down ( temporarily?? )… Many, many more to go…

    "Wind Comes To The Rescue When Four Aging Nuclear Plants Shut Down In The U.K."

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/08/12/3470140/wind-power-nuclear/


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  • HoTaters

    Confirms what is being said around Chernobyl – that the Cesium is persisting longer than expected.

    "We have very little understanding of this" seems to be the common refrain.

    Good to see analysis from chemists' perspective.

    Wondering what kind of warped thinking "health physicists" will employ in response to this study ….


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  • >>> A LONG TIME into the FUTURE!

    "The effects of radioactive contamination will persist for a long time into the future. Investigating the behavior and mechanisms of radioactivity is the only way to develop solutions to cope with the contamination."

    "Thus, the most urgent issue addressed by this research is to understand how radioactivity is incorporated into foods and how radioactive contamination can be prevented in agricultural products."
    – Hiromichi Nagasawa, Professor
    Tokyo, Japan
    Dean, Graduate School of Agricultural and Life Sciences
    The University of Tokyo

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/212361832/209184887-Agricultural-Implications-of-Fukushima

    :shock: Transport Vectors for radioactive contamination will be various, numerous and horrifically insidious.


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  • So –tell me: with all this (ene)news under our belts, and averaged world-wide, what is the true cost per kilowatt hour of NPP produced power?


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  • Socrates

    CDC statistics on human health can be found at http://wonder.cdc.gov

    44 years of data can be found there from 1968 – 2011 by state, county, age, race, cause of death, etc.

    The National Cancer Institute has similar information from 1975 – 2011 for nine states and cities, including Seattle and San Francisco.

    Looking at lung cancer incidence from Fukushima radiation is impossible at present. Lung cancer is not a disease of young children. After exposure, the latency of diagnosis is about five years. The delay in compiling the information is about three years. Therefore, we would expect statistics in or about 2019, at the earliest.

    Joseph Mangano has published data on children's diseases of low birthweight and thyroid-related issues that manifest in very early fetal and child development following 3-11.

    In regard to insects and birds, Biologist Tim Mousseau from the University of North Carolina has presented data and photographs from his ten trips to Chernobyl and trips to Fukushima following 3-11. He has presented data to the New York Academy of Medicine with the Helen Caldicott Foundation.

    Relatively low doses of radiation over a long period of time can cause genetic mutations, leading to cancers and other physical problems that may show up over longer periods and affect breeding and longevity. Studying the effects on animals and insects will lead to a better understanding of the damage done to life on this planet until human mortality and morbidity can…


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  • All these tiny spheres of CS will in 30 years become highly reflective Barium. It will block the sunlight, and life down here on Earth is going to get difficult. Click my name for more information.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Off topic subject to describe an on topic issue….

    I am sometimes awed at viral waves across the internet. Then again, sometimes they demonstrate just how few of us are truly educated or anywhere near it.

    Case in point, on August 5th, a GIF was released by @cjzero (CJ Fogler), his handle layered on the print frames. The sequence showed a young woman at an Arizona Diamondbacks game, talking to her boyfriend and showing a marked reaction. CJ claimed that he had no idea what was going on with her. If you can’t find it, then you don’t understand viral and meme. If you find it once, photo search it on Google images too see how it's spread. I don’t blame anyone for not trying.

    For anyone who has witness a seizure in progress, the symptoms are unmistakable, face, neck, left arm. About six or seven out of some four hundred replies that I saw recognized it as a seizure and made note. But they were largely ignored, with most of the comments relating to vibrating panties, flatulence, diarrhea, turn on/turn off instant switch, cleavage in the background, and all sorts of argument and sexist innuendos, few displaying even the slightest level of intelligence.

    This is the sort of world in which we survive. It is propelled mostly by self-justified ignorance and insolence.


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  • Socrates

    -cont.

    be assessed by CDC and National Cancer Institute data and statistics.

    Until that time, other laboratory tests such as chest films, biopsies, genetic studies of tumors, autopsies might be helpful.

    Looking at kelp, pines needles, and fungi that bioaccumulate might be helpful. We will have to wait on lung cancer. I predict a hockey stick uptick in diagnosis because of the hot particles. Inhalation of fallout is considered to be the most dangerous route of administration of radionuclides in war. Fukushima is a war, not intentional, but the effects may be worse.


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  • Socrates

    Senate Hearing on Life After SONGS: An Update on Decommissioning Plans.

    Chaired by Senator Alex Padilla. Just adjourned.


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  • More of what the industry just hates to hear – indissoluble radioactive materials clinging to rocks for thousands of years with no way to remove or change them. They are now essentially the rock themselves. It has taken researches over 3 years in the lab to arrive at this conclusion. What does that tell us? It tells us that the industry did not know this before they built the reactors, spewed deadly materials and told everybody it would be fine. THIS is why this industry cannot be trusted to be a part of energy solutions on a small biosphere in space that the inhabitants can't leave. They know less than a tenth of what they should know before proceeding and hide that fact even from themselves.


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    • Socrates

      Radio,

      The forensic evidence is being gathered. Assigning blame is just one aspect. What most of us are worried about is the inevitable public health consequences.

      Of course, the effect on the oceans and foodweb are beyond all comprehension. The economic impacts are huge – beyond calculation.

      Our government has responded by raising permissible limits. I wish I had the epidemiological evidence immediately to shut 'eem all down. We know in theory that continuous, low dose exposures will wreak havoc on our genome, and will cause cancer and other health problems, especially in children


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      • Things only get worse when the MOX leaves the building. They can't control the stuff at source, and they can't control it at the weapons stage either. Yes, we have very effective weapons for killing our enemy. The enemy is us, not "them". We are the ones being nuked. Eventually, we'll be forced into "we", not us versus them.

        Nuclear 'Command And Control': A History Of False Alarms And Near Catastrophes
        http://www.npr.org/2014/08/11/339131421/nuclear-command-and-control-a-history-of-false-alarms-and-near-catastrophes

        "His new book, Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety, is a critical look at the history of the nation's nuclear weapons systems — and a terrifying account of the fires, explosions, false attack alerts and accidentally dropped bombs that plagued America's military throughout the Cold War.

        "One of the themes of my book is about how we are so much better at creating complex technological systems than we are at controlling them," he says."


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        • 20 Close Calls; Why MAD Total Nuclear Global World War III Almost Happened 20 Times So Far; via @AGreenRoad
          http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/05/13-close-calls-why-mad-total-nuclear.html


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        • Socrates

          I heard the author interviewed yesterday on NPR. Really shocking.

          The human race is on borrowed time. We are good at fight or flight. Longterm planning in not within our genetic makeup.

          I call this lack of wisdom. Immediate gratification and/or fear motivate most people. Thinking generations ahead was possible for Native Americans; European counterparts largely used shortterm profits as their higher power.

          At any moment, the human race can destroy itself. Nuclear is but one means; there are others. Biological and chemical come to mind.

          I am surprised we survived this far.


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          • melting mermaid melting mermaid

            I agree with Socrates, that we're still here is proof miracles do occur and on a seemingly regular basis. Let's all hold our virtual hands and pray for a miracle. We could sure use a big one right about now.


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            • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              "I agree with Socrates, that we're still here is proof miracles do occur and on a seemingly regular basis.."

              +10000


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            • truthpandemic truthpandemic

              I'd be willing to try a thought experiment with all of us as a community. very simple really.. pick a worthy goal to focus on.. set a time or a couple times.. to incorporate different time zones work schedules etc.

              Spend 5 mins or more whatever u can spare focused on envisioning our collective goal happening in whatever way u can imagine. then sit back and wait for results..

              We could of course discuss and elaborate on what we envisioned individually or not.. I think would be something we can enjoy and take our minds of the negative all the time. After all people with positive thoughts live longer and we need to remain vigilante for a while yet.


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        • itsanuclearwar

          As we speak, the US Military and NATO are dropping/using more depleted uranium bombs/munitions in Iraq and Ukraine. So, the US is in Ukraine and or Iraq to help these people? How could this possibly be helping them? USA,USA,USA………..yea,right.


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    • 'Nuclear Proponents' would call it, research.

      I would call it, irresponsibly insane experimentation by power hungry nuclear nut-jobs who have perpetrated this debacle without giving the majority of the people a full true understanding of the horrendous risks… and its all been done without our permission and supplemented by outrageous lies to boot. ;)


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      • itsanuclearwar

        This might explain it:

        "We are on the verge of global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

        David Rockefeller – statement to the United Nations Business Council, 1994


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        • itsanuclearwar

          Maybe this applies:

          "CEOs of most of the world's largest corporations daily make decisions that destroy the lives of many other human beings. Only about 1 to 3 percent of us are sociopaths – people who don't have normal human feelings and can easily go to sleep at night after having done horrific things. And of that 1 percent of sociopaths, there's probably only a fraction of a percent with a college education. And of that tiny fraction, there's an even tinier fraction that understands how business works, particularly within any specific industry. Thus there is such a shortage of people who can run modern monopolistic, destructive corporations that stockholders have to pay millions to get them to work. And being sociopaths, they gladly take the money without any thought to its social consequences."

          Thom Hartman


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          • itsanuclearwar

            And this:

            "Some of the character traits exhibited by serial killers or criminals may be observed in many within the political arena. They share the traits of psychopaths who are not sensitive to altruistic appeals, such as sympathy for their victims or remorse or guilt over their crimes. They possess the personality traits of lying, narcissism, selfishness, and vanity. These are the people to whom we have entrusted our fate. Is it any wonder that America is failing at home and world-wide?"

            Jim Kouri


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            • itsanuclearwar

              On a roll here,:

              "Our leaders are cruel because only those willing to be inordinately cruel and remorseless can hold positions of leadership in the foreign policy establishment. People capable of expressing a full human measure of compassion and empathy toward faraway powerless strangers do not become president of the United States, or vice president, or secretary of state, or national security adviser."

              William Blum


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              • itsanuclearwar

                This is a good one:

                "In the absence of a coherent alternative, the transnational corporations carry on inexorably. Increasingly flagless and stateless, they weave global webs of production, commerce, culture and finance virtually unopposed. They expand, invest and grow, concentrating ever more wealth in a limited number of hands. They work in coalition to influence local, national and international institutions and laws. And together with the governments of their home countries in Europe, North America and Japan, as well as international institutions such as the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and increasingly, the United Nations, they are molding an international system in which they can trade and invest even more freely – a world where they are less and less accountable to the cultures, communities and nation-states in which they operate. Underpinning this effort is not the historical inevitability of an evolving, enlightened civilization, but rather the unavoidable reality of the overriding corporate purpose: the maximization of profits."

                Sierra Club


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                • itsanuclearwar

                  As I said before, I'll say it again, Japan and TEPCO are just USA's puppets. The US Dept of Energy is calling the shots in Japan.:

                  "The media are a pitiful lot. They don't give us any history, they don't give us any analysis, they don't tell us anything. They don't raise the most basic questions: Who has the most weapons of mass destruction in the world by far? Who has used weapons of mass destruction more than any other nation? Who has killed more people in this world with weapons of mass destruction than any other nation? The answer: the United States."

                  Howard Zinn


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                  • itsanuclearwar

                    Any part of this ring a bell?

                    "The global financial elite of the Ford, Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations are making the plans [for a one world government]. The real name of the game is 1984. We will have systematic population reduction, forced sterilization or anything else which the planners deem necessary to establish absolute control in their humanitarian utopia. But to enforce these plans, you must have an all-powerful world government. You can't do this if individual nations have sovereignty. And before you can facilitate the Great Merger, you must first centralize control within each nation, destroy the local police and remove the guns from the hands of the citizenry. You must replace our once free Constitutional Republic with an all-powerful central government."

                    Gary Allen in his book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy"


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      But it all boils down to this, and this is the point that I tried to drive home a few days ago. The international bankers own EVERYTHING, including Fukushima, and it is they that decided Fuku's fate, of course with the help of their think tanks, foundations, CFR, and or other groups.

                      "States, most especially the large hegemonic ones, such as the United States and Great Britain, are controlled by the international central banking system, working through secret agreements at the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), and operating through national central banks (such as the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve)… The same international banking cartel that controls the United States today previously controlled Great Britain and held it up as the international hegemon. When the British order faded, and was replaced by the United States, the US ran the global economy. However, the same interests are served. States will be used and discarded at will by the international banking cartel; they are simply tools."

                      Andrew Gavin Marshall

                      There it is. All of the quotes above are what it is in the real world and all are related to the done by design Fukushima nuclear disaster.


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      Just so that every American knows where he/she stands regarding the government:

                      "The American government could already be described as authoritarian… Due process of law and the right of habeas corpus, which for centuries have characterized the rule of law in democratic states, have been eliminated. At the discretion of the president, non-citizens and citizens alike may be classified as enemy combatants, picked up and held for an indeterminate period of time without access to counsel. A network of secret prisons and camps is being established both inside and outside of the United States. Paramilitary forces or private mercenary armies are being developed to make up for the inadequate numbers of the existing volunteer army. This is effectively resulting in the privatization of the US military."

                      William F. Pepper in his book "An Act of State: the Execution of Martin Luther King"

                      If there are any doubts, look up Blackwater USA, the toughest mercenaries in the world and the ones Bush sent into New Orleans for Katrina, where by the way they declared martial law and went door to door confiscating all the guns. Blackwater was sent to Ukraine in May of this year, served/serves in Iraq and Afganistan.

                      Lets see how you rate according to the Department of Homeland Security.

                      Similarly, a 2009 report by the Missouri Information Analysis Center labeled those who have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr

                      continued


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      continued

                      Similarly, a 2009 report by the Missouri Information Analysis Center labeled those who have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin as suspicious individuals. It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with “radical” ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion, and federal taxes.

                      Americans for Legal Immigration stated, “Police were instructed to look for Americans who were concerned about unemployment, taxes, illegal immigration, gangs, border security, abortion, high costs of living, gun restrictions, FEMA, the IRS, The Federal Reserve, and the North American Union/SPP/North American Community. The ‘Missouri Documents’ also said potential domestic terrorists might like gun shows, short wave radios, combat movies, movies with white male heroes, Tom Clancy novels, and Presidential Candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin!”

                      The FBI’s Communities Against Terrorism program labels those who purchase food in bulk as possible terrorists, as well as those who use cash to purchase items and show interest in using the Internet in public places.

                      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/11973-dhs-labels-liberty-lovers-as-potential-terrorists

                      Homeland Security, a page right out of the NAZI's playbook. Coincidence, not hardly. CIA = WWII NAZI's. That is a fact.


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                    • Angela_R

                      Hi Itsanuclearwar,

                      I suspect you have already encountered video recordings by G Edward Griffin. Yes, I am aware.

                      In a another comment I noticed you mentioned that depleted uranium is again being used in Iraq and the Ukraine. Have you any links?

                      Personally, am inclined to wonder whether they realize just how bad things are..


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                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      @ itsanuclearwar: Good morning!,
                      I took your advice from a few days ago and downloaded Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Thank you! Explains a lot, saves my poor brain cells a lot of wear and tear. Regarding U.S foreign policy; what I had taken as greedy imbeciles, out of touch with the real world making misery inducing mistakes is really greedy imbeciles creating misery on purpose. With a sick, evil plan. From the beggining. I resisted seeing the deliberateness of the evil for years.
                      I still think the fuku fiasco is gonna be an easier sell to the average people; leads naturally to the scum behind the institutional rape of our planet and it's life forms. I can't find swear words descriptive enough for the spiritually impotent sociopaths.
                      Politics not my forte ( obviously!), but we need to think ahead to what replaces the hitman model once they're visible to all.


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                • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                  I'm afraid your right. Or everything I've read supports your conclusion. Did you ever read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? But I agree with Angela, I don't think they understand how bad Fukushima is. Maybe they're going to live in outer space for 30,000 years or something. There is trillions of dollars missing. Who knows what's going though their greed addled, sociopathic little heads. I think part of having a character disorder is not being able to see the big picture.


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                  • itsanuclearwar

                    For whatever reason, the only post out of the three posts above that I can reply to is melting mermaid's. This is where I will reply to all three. First let me say that it is good to see that we are all on the same page for the most part in this regard. Thanks for your replies. By the way, all of the quotes that I used above came from one page, the home and or index page of:

                    "THIRD WORLD TRAVELER"
                    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/index.html

                    There is a ton of excellent info there, including a lot more very good quotes. The introduction states:

                    "
                    THIRD WORLD TRAVELER
                    is an archive of articles and book excerpts
                    that seek to tell the truth
                    about American democracy, media, and foreign policy,
                    and about the impact of the actions of
                    the United States government, central banks, global financial and trade institutions, transnational corporations and the corporate media,
                    on democracy, social and economic justice, human rights, and war and peace,
                    in the Third World, and in the developed world.

                    THIRD WORLD TRAVELER also provides information and links to aid international travelers."

                    I definitely recommend that website for anyone wanting the truth about the real world that we live in, as opposed to corporate media's absolute and fraudulent misrepresentations.

                    continued, hopefully directly below this, if not then further down the page or bottom.


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      Hi Angela_R, yes I have been following Edward Griffin for at least 10 years, we need more individuals like him.

                      I read about the depleted uranium being used in Iraq and Ukraine in a statement made by Leuren Moret. It was a reply in the thread linked to by Arizonan featuring BeautifulGirlByDana titled
                      HORROR " Pacific Ocean Now Dead From Fukushima Radiation"

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1FrscZBjhc&list=TLdJ28vujOJspnMzaADNRXD7_AfpiMeO-H

                      I believe the post that Leuren replied to was made by Rad Chic. That post was right up near/at the top a couple of days ago but it must have moved further down or something. Here is a link to where she says basically the same thing, in an email that is posted on Facebook.

                      "UKRAINE: DEPLETED URANIUM, 4TH GENERATION NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND DEPOPULATION
                      by Leuren Moret
                      August 8, 2014"

                      https://www.facebook.com/alfredlambremont.webreiii/posts/691997484214103

                      I believe that "they" know exactly how bad it is, regarding the radiation. They have access to all of the info that is out there. Hell, they don't have to do any leg work, they pay useful idiots to do all of that and to give them the results. Money is not an issue. Don't underestimate the ones that are successfully killing us all. They had this all planned out years ago. With them, there are no accidents or coincidences, it's all by design. They are probably making the plans right now that will come about 10 or 15 years down the road, maybe more.


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      Hi danger kitty, it was not me that recommended The economic hit man, although it is something that I would recommend. Lately I have been recommending:

                      The Calling By Max Igan *Full Length*
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLj-2IJ4pdk

                      The Hit Man is good, but this is way more powerful and I think that if 1/8 or even less, of the population knew what is contained in this video, TPTBs would come crumbling down today!

                      I must say that these psychopaths are much more evil than you can imagine, you may not even want to know the truths. It's like they are not even human.

                      I think we need to focus on waking more people up to the truth of the whole system, it is hard to get anyone to listen, let alone believe it. I was one once that did not believe any of it, I had been programmed/brainwashed well. 9-11 is what woke me up and since then I have explored many rabbit holes. They all tie together and there is no end. We need to get more people on board and expose/out the untold numbers of "controlled opposition" or "damage control" shills that we have to deal with everyday and everywhere in this kind of environment. Hacks, paid by the governments/corporations to spread disinfo and contain conversations that get to close to the heart of the truth and or expose the true TPTB. Controlled opposition like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck with many followers to useful idiots that frequent enenews and other message boards. Some that appear to be sincere but push a hidden agenda.


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      Hi melting mermaid, yes I have read The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion. And I believe that they are real and fully in play today, as everything is coming true as they said it would. They said they would progress slowly, across many generations, but it appears to me that they have stepped it up a few notches. Maybe pressing the panic button, maybe they are nervous.

                      Who knows what false flag will go down next. I'm sure many are in the works right now. They have operatives working 24/7 to bring about their NWO. Their usefull idiots will be left out and hung to dry though when the bullet hits the bone.

                      You must realize that they have the best brightest minds in the world working on their behave. These bright individuals know nothing of the big plan, they just specialize in a certain area and that is all they know, most of them. They don't see nor have the other parts to the puzzle. But TPTB have at their disposal the best of everything, things that we don't even know exists.

                      They must be 10 or 20 years ahead of us as far as technology, medicine, everything. You know that they are not dealing with contaminated food, water , or air. Who knows if they have the answer to the radiation. I do know that they have the best chance of living through this. Who knows what they can do with the weather, to use it to protect them and the land they use to produce their food. I have to believe that they know what they are doing. All of our lives, we have been their guinea…


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                    • itsanuclearwar

                      pigs. Anyway I sure am glad that all of you see through the miles of fog. We need to get the facts straight and present them to others in a way to make them think. Not what I'm best at, "communication". I'll be the grunt though. Thanks again for replying, lets kick some ass!


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                  • zogerke zogerke

                    melting mermaid, i usually so adore yore posts. but you just referenced the protocols of the elders of zion without a caveat that is was written by folks in power in russia to justify destroying jews and is a great fraud. id put money (ha!) that it justified killing more than seventy of my relatives over the years. like hitler's mine kampf, it is propaganda at its most effective, maybe even more effective, for you just promoted it in your own way, more than a century after it was written:

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion


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                    • zogerke zogerke

                      The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.[1] It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the US in the 1920s.

                      Adolf Hitler and the Nazis publicized the text as though it were a valid document, although it had already been exposed as fraudulent. After the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, it ordered the text to be studied in German classrooms. The historian Norman Cohn suggested that Hitler used the Protocols as his primary justification for initiating the Holocaust—his "warrant for genocide".[2]

                      The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today and even now sometimes presented as a genuine document, whether on the Internet or in print in numerous languages.


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                    • zogerke zogerke

                      and when folks whose opinion i generally respect start referencing thier belief in the protocols of the elders of zion, I- a peace loving…..anti nuker for near 40 years…activist……mediator…and member of clergy…
                      i want to leave this website and never come back.

                      those of you with 5 generations of murdered family members, walk in my shoes.

                      and don't bring up gaza. i have been supporting palestinian peace and justice work for 30 years in my communities. if we are americans, we pay taxes both into an unjust system and into amazing accomplishments of this country..both are true. all people's- they make choices and manifest oppressive behavior or freedom creating behaviors…..all peoples…have equal access to evil and lies and mercy and justice and honesty and kindness……look at people's CHOICES not their ethnicity or religion or nationality…..

                      zogerke out and gone away again for a while…i need a sabbataical thugh i have just returned. F E H


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                    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                      Well of course I didn't know all that but I read some of it and it's frightening how much has come true. Using sports and media to blind the masses etc.. And I read that Hitler used it to persecute the Jews. It's a frightening piece of work, I couldn't even finish it. And I'm a Jewish, Irish, Indian btw.. We have all suffered. We are only talking about the NWO, not Jew's. I think most Jew's are probably against a police state, ruled by a few criminally insane plutocrats.


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              • truthpandemic truthpandemic

                I think perhaps JFK was the last president that had a heart. we all know how well that worked out.. even if the "why and who done it" is still disputed by many.

                Btw im Canadian I live up in alberta. Sadly still very much in the flow of the jet stream most of the time.

                P.S thank admin for having canadian articles on here for me to show people… sure helps convince someone that they have a problem when the proof isnt about a far away place anymore


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  • Sickputer

    The Japanese experts may be without any knowledge of this soil/cesium fallout behavior, but as mentioned above there is a huge database of studies done after Chernobyl. Just one of many:

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es980788%2B

    SP: The Tepco cohorts always seem stunned by bad news.

    Get used to it. This is merely the calm before the storm. Only Mother Nature can heal her injured areas and she will need a million years after the last nuclear plant falls silent and the last bomb is ignited. Someday there is great likelihood of a thermonuclear war. When you build something for war, eventually that weapon will be used. And to some unfortunate victims the final Apocalypse will make Fukushima seem like a garden party.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The Force of common sense states sick putter is very wise indeed! :)


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  • Sol Man

    "They would persist for a long time in the environment as well as in living organisms."

    Yes, long after either would support life.


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  • Patrick-Henry Patrick-Henry

    So I guess the "solution to pollution is NOT dilution" completely dismantling the pro nuke slogan once and for all…

    The fact it took so long for this to be said is both sckening and tragic, but at least it's been said.

    I've explained to many that radionuclides do not dissolve or weaken in water…another bit of common sense.


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  • mairs mairs

    Two-headed one year old dolphin body washes up on Turkish beach.:(


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  • Jebus Jebus

    South Korea to return 20 kg Japanese steel scrap due to radiation contamination

    The Nuclear Safety and Security Commission detected caesium 137 at a higher than allowed level in 20 kilogrammes of steel scrap out of a total 20 tonnes imported earlier this month, said a spokeswoman at the agency.

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/south-korea-to-return-20-kg-japanese-steel-scrap-due-to-radiation-contamination/40547886


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  • Insoluble = Can't be dissolved :shock:

    What does that do for the 'dilution', 'dispersion' *theorists?
    (-1)

    What does this say for ongoing accumulation and the spread of radioactive contamination?
    (+1)

    * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_prize#Origin


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    • The Great Tribulation EKO K£AP$€

      Be careful with that theory my friend. Dispersion is what is occurring; this is undeniable, dispersed hot particles remain active and when reaccumulated via bioaccumulation become deadly to human life.

      Dilution is an incorrect and deceiving term when applied to ionised atomic nuclear radiation. Decay and transfiguration better terms.

      New people here should be aware of the full life time exposure in an ionised isotope before it even begins to decay into other isotopes.

      Someone here may wish to elaborate on this information?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Ummm..glassy implies HOT…methinks.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Hey Tepco, and Abe,

    How's that radionuclide distribution business going?

    Japan’s GDP Shrinks Most Since 2011 Quake on Sales Tax: Economy

    Japan’s economy contracted the most since the record earthquake three years ago as consumption and investment plunged after an April sales-tax increase aimed at curbing the world’s biggest debt burden.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-12/japan-economy-shrinks-the-most-since-2011-quake-on-tax.html

    Maybe you guys should advertise more. Someone might buy it…


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    For all of us that grow our own food or what is grown for us this is a keeper , does anyone here have any other info to share please do ..I have a garden group that I have to teach ..

    And we have to teach also
    209184887 Agricultural Implications of Fukushima | Scribd
    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/212361832

    Sent from my F-iPad


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Clings to organic material, won't dissolve with hot nitric acid. Wow. Imagine breathing that — "Doctor, I promise not to mention radioactivity, but do you think I could get a bottle of HOT NITRIC ACID to take home? It's not for me, it's for the KIDS.

    New soap commercial: Tired of those annoying hot particles? Try new HOT NITRIC ACID bubble bath! It's worth a shot. :(


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    • hbjon hbjon

      During the flu pandemic of 1918 everything was tried to stop the germ that caused the disease. Including rinsing mouth with bleach and taking sulfuric acid internally. In the New England Journal of Medicine there were hundreds of treatments, yet none proved effective against a virus. Afterward, it was agreed by most American Doctors that the patients would have been better off if nothing was done to treat their condition.


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