Gov’t experts warn about mass of corium melting deeper than Japan, Tepco claim — Fukushima cores “could be eroded more extensively than announced”

Published: February 10th, 2014 at 10:12 am ET
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World Nuclear Association, Feb. 7, 2014: [...] Different computer models have been used by Tepco and the Japan Atomic Energy Agency to analyse the positions of the cores, coming to the same conclusion for unit 1. Both models predict that all 77 tonnes of the fuel from unit 1 melted and passed from the reactor vessel to the drywell area immediately below. [...] Tepco also noted that the steel structures below the reactor vessel are very complex. Each vessel also has up to 200 penetrations [...] An extra difficulty is the need to seal the containment, which was compromised during the accident. Tepco has not yet been able to find the points from which water injected to cool the cores escapes [...]


IRSN (France) — Initial analyses of the accident (pdf): DAMAGE SUFFERED BY THE CORES OF REACTORS 1, 2 AND 3 — TEPCO published the results of simulations of the accident [...] According to the analysis, the entire mass of corium dropped to the bottom of the reactor containment vessel and came into contact with the concrete of the foundation basemat, initiating a corium-concrete interaction. Although the corium ate away a 70 cm-deep hole into the basemat, TEPCO states that it would have had to melt through more than 1 m more of concrete before reaching the metal wall of the containment vessel. For TEPCO, the injection of water is enough to cool the corium. IRSN considers that these results should be interpreted with precaution as a number of assumptions, including the mass of corium that dropped onto the basemat and how it ate through the basemat (radial or axial erosion), can have a very significant influence on them. In particular, the raft could be eroded more extensively than announced by TEPCO.

See: Image published by embassy in Japan shows Fukushima melted fuel deep underground

More links here: Did China Syndrome (Fuel Outside Containment) Occur?

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93 comments to Gov’t experts warn about mass of corium melting deeper than Japan, Tepco claim — Fukushima cores “could be eroded more extensively than announced”

  • Gasser Gasser

    We all here at enenews knew that from day one!


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  • WWJD WWJD

    ARTICLE QUOTE: "Tepco has not yet been able to find the points from which water injected to cool the cores escape"

    The rest of the article talks about how the cores have melted through, now if the solids will not stay in the containment how do you expect the water to stay in? The whole containment is where it is leaking from, wake up!


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    ". In particular, the raft could be eroded more extensively than announced by TEPCO."
    ? Could be??
    These bastards have lied from day one.
    Before I was pissed
    Now Im angry


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    Sorry
    Been on the beer here trying to wake people up.
    Makes me unpopular at social events.
    Ranting about numbers I still struggle to understand.
    Never mind.
    Fight the good fight.


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    • bo bo

      Very difficult place you are in weegokiburi
      Stay strong.


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      • deaddolphins simonhhh

        Bo…

        Shouldn't you have been offended by the use of the word "bastard" meaning "illegitimate birth" this highly sexist remark should not have passed your high standards of political correctness…

        A rule for one should be a rule for all…shouldn't it??
        otherwise the hypocrisy becomes obvious…just saying


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        • bo bo

          I don't know why you seem to have decided I have a high standard of PC

          I have very low standards, I curse daily, especially at TEPCO and Abe. I am only hoping to correct just the worst ones. I am probably selfish and self centered, because 'the worst obe' happens to be the term 'Jap', which is associated with my own ethnicity.

          I apologize, for being selfish.

          Sorry enenews, I just destroyed precious thread space for some stupid PC policing.


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        • or-well

          "Bastard" is not a sexist term. It is an elitist term applied to both male and female children considered "illegitimate" because they are born out of wedlock, or in other words, in unions not sanctioned by Church or State.


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          • Seraphine Seraphine

            I use "bastard" as a term of endearment; as almost my entire family is illegitimate, the word has no sting.
            Example: I called Afshin Rattansi a "magnificent bastard" on his birthday last month. I think (hope) he was titillated.

            "People" like Abe, Tepco, Japanese & American leaders, & heads of nuclear-related alphabet soup agencies merit far stronger expletives for what they've done. Words that admin would doubtless prefer I not include.


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        • bo bo

          Thank you, Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant,
          For making it ok again to use the word 'crippled' to describe disability….
          Hell, while we're at it – let's just start calling it : 'The crippled jap nigger power plant, Fukushima Daiichi.'

          (Note: simonhhh I have accepted your truce and acceot the fact that you truly believe 'Jap' is just an acronym. I do not mean any further antagonizing down this path. I do believe Jap is indeed a racial slur, but the situation of the world is so serious I agree that if we agree to be against nuclear, I know you are a good person. I just had to post this because I think people who do believe that Jap is racial slur might find it of interest. I am not being sarcastic. Peace)


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  • stellarblue51

    ENOUGH. I have seen and heard all I can digest about this "accident" at Fukushima. All I have heard for almost 3 years is that the situation is at the plant is precarious. It is a world class catastrophe that needs the cooperation of the entire collective world to solve the problem. BUT THERE IS NO HELP or assistance from "other countries". TEPCO, is going to decontaminate and fix the broken Nuclear plant all by its lonesome. No help from other countries is needed. Sure.


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    • shamwow shamwow

      There is nothing left to fix. That is the tragedy.

      Once the horses have left the paddock you can lock the gate all you want but it will do no good.

      The coriums for #1,2 and 3 are gone. Havoc is upon us. No one can stop this. That is why there is no outside help.

      Tepco is just doing busy work transferring contaminated water to storage tanks only to release it later. A three ring circus; meanwhile the Pacific is dying.


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      • Seraphine Seraphine

        'Once the horses have left the paddock you can lock the gate all you want but it will do no good.'
        Well said.
        It was in the interests of all agencies & authorities involved to keep putting out headlines about "worst case scenarios" that haven't happened yet. Now, I don't think that's possible.
        I wonder if Tepco has hired a PR firm or planned a name change yet. There's *something* they know how to do – throw money at the wrong people.


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    • The problem with a nuclear monopoly, is that the whole world is involved in it..

      IAEA, WHO, NRC, EPA, Whitehouse, politicians, nuclear labs, mass media, colleges, etc..

      This web of deception hangs together, because if any ONE of them broke their circle of lies, the whole thing would collapse.

      Fukushima is a HUGE cluster F(#* of lies, deception, coverups and more.

      ANYONE speaking out about the truth is immediately disposed of, in one way or another.

      No one else is allowed in, because the lies must be supported by the whole cabal. Any one not in the 'club' or inner circle may discover the truth and talk about it, so the 'whole world' is not welcome at Fukushima.

      They have circled the wagons. They closed and locked the gates, all for $$$$ and power.

      They are frying their own golden goose eggs on a hot skillet of multiple out of control molten magma corium.

      Now the horror story that is Fukushima must play out as Pandora's Box has been opened, and horrors will keep flying out to plague humanity.

      The recent election of a pro nuke Tokyo mayor seals their fate, barring some miracle..


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      • If this is monopoly news is new to you, research it…

        Art And Science Of Deception; Global Corporations And The 1% http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/p/corporations-art-and-science-of.html


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      • SS4U SS4U

        exactimundo :( gotta keep the lie going at all costs


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      • Questionit

        Fuku removed the last bit of automatic trust or respect I might have had for "scientist" or professors. Everyone is for sale and ethics or principals are nonexistent. Non believe in what this country once thought it stood far. Remember that when they ask for your trust or sacrifice.

        California was once the place to be and those with money in the west often moved there. I wonder where the children or grandchildren of Feinstein, Boxer, Bush, Cheney, and others live. How many live on the west coast, how much time do the connected (even Boxer and Feinstein) actually spend on the west coast now?

        The mistake a few who thought of speaking out on dangerous subjects have made is to threaten to do it first or to discuss it with others when their conversations or emails can be spied upon. If a few would come forward without warning they could break the ice.

        As the signs become even more obvious to those watching the people in the US may turn to the govt just like those in
        Tokoyo just did, and demand elected politicians who will tell them what they want to hear and not the truth.

        They control the colleges, media, regulatory agencies, politicians, the judicial and the investigative or prosecution agencies (dead microbiologist?), and of course military.

        The US govt is trying to fight Russia, I thought Russia might blow the lid on this and climate engineering. Now I think they will sit back and watch the US betray it's own. Beware war as a diversion for these…


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        +311 Dr.G; I concur with you and would add that the other poster who added-"The day nuclear shit was abolished" won't be realized until all Earthly life has also been aborted,abolished and/or mutated beyond any recognizable form we could accept or even be able to function in any productive,viable manner! The true UNSTOPPABLE nature of the 311 ELE has been hinted at by even those "paid" (or roped into!)to minimize the status & expected impacts of this runaway nuclear train wreck via comments added such as,"we are concerned about the levels of radiation being found but there's NOTHING we can do about it now but "accept" the damages & final outcome"sor something along those lines(?)!! In other words,"why shut them down now since we're already "FUKuD anyways"?-"might as well keep moving forward with plans to keep existing NPP's running & add new,"safer" designed reactors"(?)!! Even if they suddenly came out with the doom & gloom,fear & panic-inspiring truth of the matter they'll still promote their nuke crap as "clean energy" technology source NEEDED to negate greenhouse gases,etc.,etc. & more BS"! :( Nope-IMHO they won't shut them down and already know the time has passed to have taken the gargantuan efforts that WERE needed when they had a chance to employ anything that held a chance of stopping or even effectively "slowing down" the releases,damaging impacts & irradiation of the entire planet! It's too late now and we are truly ON OUR OWN! :| (the…


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      • We Not They Finally

        YES, the problem is with the international nuclear monopoly! A lot of mitigating things could-have/should-have been done. But when there is no will, there is no way.


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      • utahruss utahruss

        "No one else is allowed in, because the lies must be supported by the whole cabal. Any one not in the 'club' or inner circle may discover the truth and talk about it, so the 'whole world' is not welcome at Fukushima. They have circled the wagons. They closed and locked the gates"

        That is EXACTLY CORRECT DR. Goodheart. There is NO ONE WALKING AROUND ON THE FUKUSHIMA SITE.

        Come on people, look at what is being required at Chernobyl, now compare that with Fukushima?

        Three Reactor Cores? Breached containment vessel-A little dirt and concrete going to stop that?

        Fission supposedly reaches temperatures of 9,000F?
        Bedrock Granite LIQUIFIES at 2,000F

        Still in the Containment Vessels? Really? How many hours passed BEFORE they were able to start the cooling process of spraying seawater?

        IAEA's own published reports cast a lot of doubt on the ability to cool the coriums from above.

        Weapons Grade Plutonium? Uranium Hexaflourides, Urynal Flourides, Hexaflouride, Hydrofluoric Acids?

        Hydrogen Explosion possibly from Units 1,2,3 maybe 4? The "Zircoloy Water Reaction" occurs at Temperatures over 2200F according to Arnie Gundersen.

        @1,800 F Boron Carbide,Stainless Steel, interact chemically, attack and melts the Zirconium cladding, initiating CHAIN REACTION then creates "freeze-plug" blockage

        376,000 some odd spent fuel bundles. Missing-Vaporized in the Hydrogen explosion? None of that Spent Fuel material landed anywhere on the site?

        IMHO of…


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    An angry drunk Scotsman is not always pleasant.


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    • weeman

      A angry sober Scotsman is something to fear.
      A man's a man for a' that, Rabbie Burns.


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      • weegokiburi weegokiburi

        Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie,
        O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
        Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
        Wi' bickering brattle!
        I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
        Wi' murd'ring pattle!

        I'm truly sorry man's dominion,
        Has broken nature's social union,
        An' justifies that ill opinion,
        Which makes thee startle
        At me, thy poor, earth-born companion,
        An' fellow-mortal!

        I doubt na, whiles, but thou may thieve;
        What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
        A daimen icker in a thrave
        'S a sma' request;
        I'll get a blessin wi' the lave,
        An' never miss't!

        Thy wee bit housie, too, in ruin!
        It's silly wa's the win's are strewin!
        An' naething, now, to big a new ane,
        O' foggage green!
        An' bleak December's winds ensuin,
        Baith snell an' keen!

        Thou saw the fields laid bare an' waste,
        An' weary winter comin fast,
        An' cozie here, beneath the blast,
        Thou thought to dwell-
        Till crash! the cruel coulter past
        Out thro' thy cell.

        That wee bit heap o' leaves an' stibble,
        Has cost thee mony a weary nibble!
        Now thou's turn'd out, for a' thy trouble,
        But house or hald,
        To thole the winter's sleety dribble,
        An' cranreuch cauld!

        But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
        In proving foresight may be vain;
        The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men
        Gang aft agley,
        An'lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
        For promis'd joy!

        Still thou art blest, compar'd wi' me
        The present only…


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      lol,"aye laddie-and hopefully is wearing briefs or boxers should he get his kilt all caught up in a bundle"! ;) lol… p.s.,you guys & gals are awesome! I can always count on the scary truth,genuine fellow humanoids with a soul and something to make my frown turn upside down! Thanks for the shit's & giggles,I need that every now & again!" :) TAKE CARE…


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    WE WERE WARNED . . .

    "The China Syndrome"

    Everyone in the nuclear business should see this movie and rethink their careers.


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    • What price is a soul or a heart worth?

      One must go to the dark side and sell one's soul and heart to work inside the cabal that is the nuclear, industrial/military complex.

      To sell one's soul or heart for $$$, that is the definition of the nuclear industry.

      Good luck to all those working inside the "Matrix". The wages they get will only dig their pit deeper and separate them further from what really matters, what really has value in life.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      Dr.Goodheart- military/industrial cartel members who are so programmed to be heartless,unfeeling threats to everything & everyone "good" that they can't answer the question because the true price of a "soul" cannot be measured or assigned monetary or material figures or "priced",but by the time they figure out that whatever they had in the black hole that might've contained a caring heart can't be filled with any substitutions that would allow them to ever truly love anyone or anything except power & profit$ has & will continue to elude them. The only satisfaction their kind can feel is that which they receive for their part in corrupting or harming good people with sound logic & pure hearts that they hate & envy us for possessing that which dirty,blood money cannot buy! Some very bad news we'd gotten just moments ago revealed to me the true scope of envy & ill will via another "seemingly unrelated" govt. agency & issue,but I've already figured out that the obstruction being directed & felt via what "appeared" to be coincidental and/or "unrelated" IS connected to my activism against nuclear including my incessant demands to just do their jobs & tell the truth to us,their victims & their indirect efforts to indirectly silence my voice & demands for truth,accountability,competence & leaders who CARE about their fellow citizens! The various govt. agencies coordinated effort to "punish" me via more suffering & hardships won't chase me away,"hush" the…


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        cont'd- emotions & words coming straight from my heart or even take away my means of conveying the thoughts & feelings about 311 & the heartless creatures behind all of it,in fact I'll only become more involved & "turn up the volume" & frequency of my words that happen to mirror the sentiment of most of us here who have a soul and consciences! I may have to make other arrangements for my wife regarding where she will live & who will take over caregiver duties now that our means to move into a new residence has been taken away by the collusive govt. agency(s) "reversal of benefit award"change of decision we'd counted on-but that will free me from the duties that kept me from initiating/participating in more effective activities that are needed to take them down sooner! Now I won't have to wrestle with any notions of fear of reprisals via "things" I know from VERY reliable sources I've had to refrain from citing or following up on for their sake! I have something in mind for the day I begin residing in our car(again)that is bound to "shake things up" and "wake others up" in response to their mission to f%#k with people who have souls & follow their hearts directive to stand fast & do what is right!I'll try to not bring anyone else down with me but may well end up bringing people "in the know" into consideration for TPTB's "shitlist"(?)! Power & wealth cannot compensate for the soul their dirty money can't "buy" & sitting idle won't cut it anymore! :(


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  • Danger Danger

    The parameters of their modeling criteria do not allow core breach, therefore no breach can occur. The software engineer for nuke containment noted this issue, saying twelve inches from breach is the same as full breach, as that is the computational boundary.


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  • Sickputer

    Tepco solicited and got 200 suggestions. But these suggestions all are based on the Tepco assertion that the coriums are not ex-building. They still won't even consider that the cores may be far out of the last concrete layers.

    But it doesn't matter if they are right and the fuel splatter is in the cracked basement and cracked fuel vessel.

    The fact remains that regardless of position there is no known technology to "decommission" these units. Decommission is for gently shut down retired units that can be cooled for ten years before extravmcting fuel rod assemblies. These Daiichi rods are melted hell balls that will take 500 years to reach a decommission state using current cooling methods. And I doubt Tepco will be around for 500 years.

    Most suggestions involve top down methods which seems insane as radioactive heat is rising through the broken buildings and preventing human intervention.

    The last paragraph of suggestions:

    "The ideas with IRID include alternatives to the full-flooding approach, as well as potential methods to reach the debris from the side by making new penetrations in the containment and the building "

    SP: Yes, containment requires kamikaze tunneling and construction of nuclear shielding that have not been invented. The Japanese will never attempt this because they won't find workers crazy enough to attempt it and the cost in money and lives is enormous.

    They will at some point bury the buildings and walk away.


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    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      http://irid.or.jp/cw/public/

      Much of the underground contamination can be recovered by using fracking uranium mining methods..

      http://enenews.com/fracking-uranium-start-doing-environment-favor

      http://www.uraniumenergy.com/

      ..actually this mining method is not fracking, it's In-Situ Leaching. Fracking can be a useful component of the entire mining process.

      The contaminated water can be filtered & desalinated with graphene, and electrochemical processing.

      Even tritium can be extracted using graphene.


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      • nedlifromvermont

        Really 21ST C? Tritium can be removed with graphene? First I've heard!of it. You rock dude. I'm stayin' around to watch you go!!!

        Raise the banner of ENENEWS!!!!


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        • 21stCentury 21stCentury

          Yeah; properly prepared graphene will hold hydrogen/deuterium/tritium/helium/etc-etc but it will let only H2O roll thru it, weird huh?

          The keys to successful material science is in the skill of the craftsman/artist/techie…
          …some folks can make sweet music with a guitar, but I just make noise !!

          If you understand electrochemistry…
          http://www.brillouinenergy.com/?page=tech_summary

          Graphene can be used in many ways to work with tritium..
          if you load graphene/aerogel/nanotube matrix with nano-catalyst nickel/palladium you can trap tritium like a magnet then strip half of the electrons from it while converting it to helium. This kinda works like a weird hydrogen fuel-cell. The elecro-excitation suerheterodyne signal is key to throttle the reaction.

          YIKES… one BIG PROBLEM with this is TEPCO will not know what to do with a million-gigawatts of excess power.. maybe we'll have to ask Paul Grant how to use superconductors ??
          http://www.w2agz.com/

          ====== :-P


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      • Tim42

        No, tritium can not be removed by graphene.

        All those U recovery processes leave behind a significant amount of material. Adding acid(H2SO4) solution would just make these deadly isotopes even more mobile (I.E. into ocean).

        Bad ideas all around..


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      • Gasser Gasser

        @ 21st C…Think> Any equipment including humans that comes in contact with Diichi becomes so contaminated it is absolutely useless after and it "will break down" doing its "supposed" intended job just creates another mind boggling disposal shell game $cenario that will keep squaring its self add infinitum…there's no way out of this molecular nightmare even if the whole world finely wakes up to this in their morning of "Un-Holy shit!” were in deep dodo personal truth…Tilt…Mortal game over.


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        • 21stCentury 21stCentury

          @-Gasser… After 60 years of effort Hanford project actually shows some signs of real-progress in 50% of the entire decontamination process, despite the glaring failures of the leaking big storage tanks, leaky hot-cells, corrupt corporations, etc etc.

          Many enewsers hate it when I suggest building more molten-salt reactors, but we need to totally annihilate the fuelrods 100% unless the chicken-littles wanna store it in their backyard for the next million years… plus the extra energy we get from MSR-Wamsers will be needed to power the entire cleanup process.

          http://transatomicpower.com/company.php

          The powerplant equipment at Fshima #5&6 can be salvaged and relocated 2 kilometers uphill to build a Wamser there. Unfortunately Fshima has become another Hanford hot-zone until the entire cleanup process is finished.

          When humans finally fully understand how difficult it is to put all the spilled milk not only back into the broken bottle, but back into the cow as well, then they will have mastered Fission Energy !!!


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          • Gasser Gasser

            @21C..what ever your smokin’…. I want some.


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          • J.

            I watched the remarkable online video about the deep underground project in Finland. Former Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi recently visited the site, and it changed his way of thinking. There currently is no effective storage method. No one knows how to deal with storage in a future which stretches far longer than all recorded human history.

            On that basis, I think it's crucial to be open-minded about any process that claims to be able to convert the existing NPP waste into something less harmful and more storable. I do not know the details of the process you describe, but I hope to hear more on this site. Please keep posting.

            My own view is that the ~50 NPPs in Japan are an existential threat to the country and its neighbors. Getting rid of the existing fuel is crucial.


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            • Angela_R

              The French, I think, are trying to do something similar to the Finnish underground storage of nuclear waste.

              Personally, I'd like for the facts to be out there regarding decommissioning, and the bottomless money pit that is needed, so that no more nuclear reactors will be built; there are currently around sixty new ones in the pipeline.


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            • 21stCentury 21stCentury

              thx J: Yes, I agree that getting rid of the existing fuel is crucial. It's interesting to note that all of the existing "spent fuel rods" worldwide still has 95% of the potential energy remaining in it, this why it's so toxic. If all the energy was used up it would all be 100% non-radioactive stable isotopes. This why molten salt reactors are important >>>
              Goog: accelerator molten salt transmutation

              MSR's can produce vast amounts of energy, and we will need all of this energy to clean up the nuke-mess.
              MSR's are lucrative!

              Much of our worldwide spent-fuel is old fragile, damaged; this requires a "devil's-nuke-kettle" that can easily gobble up and burn the stuff down thru all the isotopic decay cycles.

              Yes, it's important to move all of the nuke-activities to deep underground in the most stable geology, or onto "unsinkable-safe" nuke submarines.

              http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/stable-continents-0106.html

              Aside from tsunami risk; Japan might be "lucky" that most of their NPPs are on the coast because it's easier to move massive cranes on barges in to remove the spent fuel racks dry-casks, dirty equipment, and empty reactors.

              The silly bigshots decided to recently move the massive Left Coast Lifter bargecrane from SanFrancisco to NewYorkCity because they thought fixing the TappanZee Bridge is more important than fixing Fukushima. — Not much of a problem; because asian countries are very capable of building more massive barge cranes to…


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              • 21stCentury 21stCentury

                The silly bigshots decided to recently move the massive Left Coast Lifter bargecrane from SanFrancisco to NewYorkCity because they thought fixing the TappanZee Bridge is more important than fixing Fukushima. — Not much of a problem; because asian countries are very capable of building more massive barge cranes to add to their existing fleet.

                Deep tunneling technology is getting better & less expensive; and more efficient.

                http://www.herrenknecht.com/en/products.html

                New materials like graphene now make it possible to process the millions of tons of low-level nuke-waste.. we no longer need to fill millions of barrels with rad-waste and stupidly contaminate our underground salt-deposits… many of the salt-deposits now need us to spend $$$ to decontaminate & prevent evacuation of major cities nearby.


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          • Sickputer

            21stC sez…"After 60 years of effort Hanford project actually shows some signs of real-progress in 50% of the entire decontamination process, despite the glaring failures of the leaking big storage tanks, leaky hot-cells, corrupt corporations…"

            SP: I fail to see how cutting the workforce in 2014 by thousands and the Bechtel problems with the "magic bullet" glass plant gives us a hurrah of progress at Hanford, much less any quantitative numbers (50% of what?). 20 years into the really big coordinated push they are still far behind the proverbial atomic eight ball.

            There is so much crap in the ground at Hanford they are 500 years away from digging it all up at best. Meanwhile the million year hot isotopes drain steadily into the aquifer and river. Can't bring those chickens back home again.


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  • Nick

    TEPCO could not even find their own asshole.

    The nuclear train wreck has happened, but too many folks aren't willing to bail out yet, it's been too good of a gravy train.

    Trust no one. Use your own instincts. No one has any clue what to do other than lie.

    I suggest we all wear duct tape armbands as a universal symbol for peace.

    There's a rough ride ahead, get ready.


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  • muffin

    Well, they were close, call it "The Japan Syndrome"; but it was suppose to happen over here! I love how next to nothing is reported on MSM. Anybody hear if the Leafs lost again, or how the new Panda bears are doing in the zoo? BIZARRE!


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    • norbu norbu

      Denial from the beginning to the end…..
      N


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      The nuke-puke PTB maintain their power,status,control,profit$ & their very(post-311)"existence" by channeling a minimum of effort,resources,funds & manpower that's supposed to or at least SHOULD be used to solve the most critical,threatening issues at the site of the disaster & ongoing releases,but instead used towards "token"(cheap) engineering/remediation efforts that "appear" to meet some of their claims of limited successes that allow the illusion that they actually care about the impacts their half-assed,incompetently managed & implemented undertakings are anything near being sufficient! They managed to maintain public apathy & disinterest so that they could continue their dirty work while the larger share of the funds & resources are REALLY used to bolster their mission to spread lies & disinformation,target,discredit & victimize those who know & care enough to see through it all & maintain their stance against them including the costs associated with silencing media & individuals who pose a threat to their foul agenda & way they conduct business even in the wake of the 311 ELE that THEY are responsible for occurring & continuing until it ends life even as THEY know it! It's all the more disgusting,yet thought-provoking that it was ALL preventable! :( Since my place in all this has NEVER been about ME & ALWAYS about everyone else I worried for it seems logical that they'd start fucking with my loved ones to get to me & make an example! :|


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        p.s.,I'd report myself for being OT except that I have such a hard time classifying,clarifying what "isn't" connected to the various,individual headlines of each thread that holds dire new revelations that have MUCH impact on every aspect of our lives regardless of where we are or what we think about nukes,311,conspiracies & what "patriotism & duty" consists of personally for their victims,INCLUDING their own family members & friends who have or soon will suffer the impacts of their coveted crap technology/cash cow! There's just no way to justify remaining "on the fence" & "idling" as if it will all go away in time if they ignore it! The revelation of the depths the hundreds of tons of white-hot corium(s) has likely traveled now IS what inspired my post in this particular thread and EVERYTHING & ANYTHING even remotely related to 311,missing corium(s),spewing shitium except for Geiger counter/health food ads/sales pitches and which headlines I'm inspired to act by posting my comments under doesn't seem to matter since it's ALL bad news which invokes my ranting,venting viewpoint & proudly,yet angrily FOREVER stand my ground and OPPOSE ALL THINGS NUCLEAR even without delving into all the other shit wrong with this world & the sub-species of humanoids behind it!! THANKS FRIENDS!!~ I'm proud of each & every one of you and try to read ALL of what you have to say no matter WHERE it's posted!! :) (I will have your backs until the expedited day I take my last breath!…


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  • Shaker1

    Personally, I'm pretty sick of the models, all the intellectual effort put into this (and I might add, money that isn't directly spent in remediation, acquiring equipment, etc.), when, in reality, it doesn't take too much brains to wield a shovel, or a hammer. At times there simply is no substitute for physical effort. They can think about suggestions while they're sweating and worrying and actually doing something constructive and/or destructive.

    All that crap directly between the reactor buildings and the shore should be gone. Every piece of extraneous junk, even if it might be servicable elsewhere. What good is the turbine building or any of the crap inside? There is no way to control the leaks without those reactor buildings isolated and space for the proper equipment and that equipment's management made.

    Every one of these people should be forced to write 2 paragraphs describing what they're actually doing to help the situation. An objective judge and a country full of shovels should be ready to hand out those shovels to those who get anything less than a A+ grade on that paper.

    Sorry. I'm usually more composed…


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    All this news each day. Like a soap opera. With strangely named characters. Perhaps the leading one is Corium–probably transgender or androgynous. Lots of minor ones like Cesium 137 and Iodine 131. And then the cast of Spent Fuel Rods . . . Wasn't there a comic strip character called Little Iodine–a girl? Who else? And does this soap have any destination? Who is the director and the script writers? Can't we have some more exciting action? Anyway who is your favorite?


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  • Tedd Tedd

    Excuse me. Tepco couldn't find a hole with a shovel. It is done.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Did TEPCO just say that the deadly melted 77 tons of corium could NOT melt through another meter of concrete? So they would just keep "cooling" what had long since gone AWOL?

    I cannot even twist my brain into a pretzel far enough to process what these people say.


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  • Oceania - foreknowledge of pain

    The Bush family is vacating the northern hemisphere – - – -

    The Bush Family has purchased land in Chaco, Paraguay, near the Triple Frontier (Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay) The 98,840 acre ranch through a secretive land trust in Paraguay. The ranch, which is close to the Brazillian and Bolivean border is also located in proximity to natural gas reserves and a large water reserve ; Acuifero Guaraní one of the largest underground water reserves in South America, running beneath Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay (larger than Texas and California together).

    Bush family is to settle a few short miles from the US Mariscal Estigarribia Military Base. There is A US miilitary buildup in Chaco under a bilateral agreement.

    The parliament of Paraguay orchestrated an institutional coup that removed President Fernando Lugo from power and installed vice president Fernando Franco in his place, it was supported by the Paraguayan Generals, our taxes bought another revolution.

    Since the northern hemisphere is dirty, nuclear weapons of a massive scale look more rational to these folks. What's a little more contamination anyway ?


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    • Questionit

      There it is. The connected used the CIA to take over the govt with cash and promises of power. When they need to they will take out key individuals and put in a dictator who is controlled by them.

      The Bush clan will not be the only family to occupy the ranch. They must even get secret service protection while in a foreign country. The US military build up will come back to haunt the citizens as well. It can be used as a base for CIA actions to kill opponents or for direct actions.

      Poor Paraguayan's, the evil that is moving into their mist is never benign and will become active. Neighboring countries need to be aware as these people will want to destabilize them to put in puppets in order for a buffer zone.


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    I think it is high time that everyone, everywhere, needs to take two steps back, take a deep breath, and face up to asking the question that is the most pertinent to our situation here.

    Does the nuclear industry, and world regulatory agencies have ANY idea what they are doing?


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  • ecoguy57

    WAKE UP PEOPLE! TEPCO and others in the Japanese Government have been lying to the world all along! They caused this problem by their own gross negligence in the first place by not listening to the many experts that told them to reposition the generators to the roof or to an area high enough not to be affected by a tsunami that they all knew could hit the Nuclear power plant!Now the Japanese Government are allowing the same criminals to repair the damage that they created! The simple fact is that TEPCO can't handle this job! The only answer to stop the millions of gallons of radiation from dumping into the Pacific Ocean every day is to put together an international coalition of nuclear experts to go to Fukushima so this ongoing disaster can be brought under control! While this is happening the idiots at TEPCO and in the Japanese Government found to be guilty of lying to the people as they polluted our planet should be put in prison for crimes against humanity! Health care experts should treat the people that have been radiated and provide the mineral Zeolite to them which will help to remove the radiation in their bodies to help prevent the massive amounts of cancers that will be coming without a proper radiation detox protocol! Anyone that feels that they have already been radiated should do a simple search for the word Zeolite to learn how it can safely remove radiation and heavy metals from the human body!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    3 Years and no one has awakened yet, and not even your supposedly.. highly educated. :(

    The trance/spell they have created has been world wide.. :(


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  • utahruss utahruss

    (pdf): DAMAGE SUFFERED BY THE CORES OF REACTORS 1, 2 AND 3 — TEPCO published the results of simulations of the accident [...] According to the analysis, the entire mass of corium dropped to the bottom of the reactor containment vessel and came into contact with the concrete of the foundation basemat, initiating a corium-concrete interaction. Although the corium ate away a 70 cm-deep hole into the basemat, TEPCO states that it would have had to melt through more than 1 m more of concrete before reaching the metal wall of the containment vessel.

    Charles Casto, leader of Nuclear Regulatory Commission at Fukushima: You really won’t know until you get in there and can get a video camera or some device in there to know what really happened.

    I want to know how they determined that it only ate away 70cm?


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  • antipodes

    Simply print out the information suggested by Vital 1 and Chem Food and ask people if they would like to know more about Fukushima. What I Find is that people will often say yes , take the flier and begin reading. I believe people prefer reading over listening. Farmers markets are a great place to start.


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