Gov’t Report: Criticality suspected to have occurred in Fukushima fuel pool — Nuclear chain reaction after massive explosion at Unit 3 compressed fuel together? Concerned about ‘substantial damage’ to fuel (VIDEO)

Published: July 4th, 2014 at 6:11 pm ET
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Fukushima Daiichi Accident 3 years after, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, Ramzi Jammal, Executive Vice-President and Chief Regulatory Operations Officer of the Regulatory Operations Branch, Physics Colloquium at Queen’s University, March 14, 2014:

  • Smoke from SFP at Unit 3? Quote from [The National Diet of Japan's report 'Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission'] What was the source of the massive amount of heat that caused intermittent water evaporation in the form of white smoke to come out of the pool? If the pool was impacted from the hydrogen explosion, it is probably that the used and unspent fuel assemblies were moved closer together and became compressed against one another, creating a condition of criticality [uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction] inside the pool.
  • Comment in the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission’s presentation: Based on the result of criticality assessment [...] there are no criticality in SFP.

Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission, National Diet of Japan (emphasis added): Hydrogen explosion of Unit 3 and heat source within the spent fuel pool. The hydrogen explosion resulted in a plume of white smoke immediately after the explosion, and on the two following days. Observation of the spent fuel pool after the explosion shows the possibility of substantial damage to the fuel. But the dumping of a large amount of water after the explosion might have kept the radioactive material in the pool to be within or around the building, reducing the further spread of radioactive material. It is also possible that rainfall could have caused part of the radioactive material to fall into the ocean. [...] What was the source of the massive amount of heat that caused intermittent water evaporation in the form of white smoke to come out of the pool? The white smoke was generated not only immediately after the hydrogen explosion but on both of the next two days. There was, therefore, the possibility of damaged fuel inside the pool causing temporary massive heat generation. The layout at the Unit 3 spent fuel pool shows that; 1) fifty-two of the unspent fuel assemblies were arranged together in almost one lump, while the surrounding racks were empty, and 2) nearly half of the spent fuel was arranged together in one lump. Therefore, if the pool was impacted from the hydrogen explosion, it is probable that the used and unspent fuel assemblies were moved closer together and became compressed against one another, creating a condition of criticality inside the pool.

Recall this BBC report from March 24, 2011: “Kyodo News [reports] neutron radiation was observed more than a kilometre from reactor buildings [...] Neutrons are emitted during a nuclear chain reaction; so given the context, is Kyodo’s report to be taken as indicating that a chain reaction took place after the reactors shut down? If it is, does that relate to the company’s warning last week that there was a possibility of “re-criticality” in a pool storing fuel rods?”

Watch — Gundersen: Unit 3 started as a hydrogen explosion… but I think it’s more — I actually think it was something called a prompt moderated criticality that was caused by a hydrogen explosion

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331 comments to Gov’t Report: Criticality suspected to have occurred in Fukushima fuel pool — Nuclear chain reaction after massive explosion at Unit 3 compressed fuel together? Concerned about ‘substantial damage’ to fuel (VIDEO)

  • Socrates

    Prompt moderated criticality is a term.that means "nuclear explosion." The nuclear industry danced around to avoid the idea that a nuclear power plant could have a loss of coolant event and literally blow up. That would "hurt" profits. The fact that such an explosion would hurt people, and, in fact, did so, is of little concern. The fact that MOX fuel was involved, again, means that profits for this industry might be "hurt."

    Can we just cut the crap and get this industry to admit that nuclear energy is too expensive and dangerous. The US government subsidizes and protects it. Japan is selling this technology overseas, again for financial reasons.

    Future generations will be sadled with these costs as well as the costs of cancers and mutations. How corrupt is this? They all make sure that they cannot be sued first thing. For 30 years, Wall street wants nothing to do with this nuclear energy con job. The free market decided long ago but campaign contributions are shoveled into the campaign coffers of both political parties. How disgusting!


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    • J.

      "Prompt moderated criticality is a term.that means "nuclear explosion." The nuclear industry danced around to avoid the idea that a nuclear power plant could have a loss of coolant event and literally blow up."

      I always believed this claim. I thought it was plausible, based on what I knew about the design of nuclear explosives. I thought an extremely precise spherical implosion was needed to start this kind of criticality. That it is now proven false is deeply troubling, and suggests to me that the nuclear power promoters knew it was false and were lying all along. Sites like this one need to keep getting the facts to the public.


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      • Shaker1

        "I thought an extremely precise spherical implosion was needed to start this kind of criticality."

        J., my understanding is that the configuration of bombs themselves is to get bang for the buck and to create a package that can be handled and the timing of the criticality somewhat controlled. Criticalities have happened and killed at Los Alamos during a mixing operation that went wrong. That wasn't explosive, but its radioactive output and effect upon the worker was quite large. Stock may have a link to review the particulars on his site, though I have it somewhere or you could search through early nuclear accidents in whatever engine you use. Also, I'm sure that you've heard of a natural reactor (and there have likely been more of them over the millions of years and quite unknown events of the earth itself) in Africa. That one I have at my fingertips, though it's hardly comprehensive. It just has a good picture.

        http://www.livescience.com/75-natural-nuclear-reaction-powered-ancient-geyser.html

        Personally, my understanding is that if one could smash together with force any configuration of enough material with potential that you could get some manner of criticality. That may be too simple, but it suits me just fine.


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      • Socrates

        J.

        I believe that compressional forces can create the conditions necessary for a criticality. I base this on Arnie Gundersen's analysis. The important thing is that any number of high consequence nuclear accidents can happen. In every instance, governments play down the consequences. I really cannot debate the issue except to state that the velocity seemed to reflect a detonation, rather than a hydrogen explosion (conflagration).

        But I have heard others, usually paid experts, deny this without really stating the facts upon which they base their analysis. I have read a few studies, but I am not a nuclear scientist. I go by a gut reaction to believe my own eyes. I am convinced that a criticality was likely, but who knows.

        Regards.


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      • @J indeed, Nukepro has been exposing this incident for a while.

        Check it out. MOX is more dangerous than other fuel.

        http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/fukushima-was-nuclear-explosion-here-is.html


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Very, very, corrupt this Nuclear Industry is..says he! :(


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    • indegruv indegruv

      exactly, I'm tired of hearing "hydrogen explosion" as if that really means anything anymore.

      aka Lion76


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    • Seeker

      Socrates, can you help? I am amazed at how often the discussion at enenews overlooks the bombshell info from Shimatsu. Please, someone, listen to the podcast for June 30 and tell me if Shimatsu is onto something* or has gone over into crackpot conspiracy theory.* Rense does not seem to archive his Shimatsu podcasts, so you only have until the next one Mon. evening to hear June 30's.

      *Examples: Abe is certifiable and WANTS to destroy the world, not just with the Fuku releases but with nuke weapons whose development they've been hiding. This is why they did not let the U.S. come in to help for 3 yrs, they had to remove all traces of the latter first. Now they are blackmailing the U.S. w/ the threat of more dumping (a slow nuclear Pearl Harbor)if it does not bankroll the rest of the "clean up." And on and on. If the New Komieto party (Buddhist, ant-nuke)does not take Abe down we are done for (see Wiki).

      Please.


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      • Socrates

        Seeker,

        I hear that broadcast sith Shimatsu and Rense. I have always been fascinated with Japanese militarism. I studied Japanese history many decades ago to try to understand the reasons for Japanese entry into WW II. I tried to explain what happened in terms of economic anthropology based on theories taught to me by a colleague at Yale.

        To get into the head of Abe Shinzo. One would have to examine the attitudes, values and beliefs of this individual. That requires a background in social psychology. The belief system then takes the analysis toaards the area of religion and philosophy of the individual. Shimatsu asserts that Abe has a cult-like adherence to an esoteric religion that makes him a dangerous man to arm. I deally do not know this man enough to comment. We know of antecedents and precedents for this type of belief system with Kamazazis, etc. In other words, to go out in a blaze of glory. The Chinese and North Koreans would take him at his word. So would I.

        We see the tenaciousness of the nuclear village in peddl8ng its technology abroad. That is not surprising considering the massive investment Japan has and the encouragement by the US.


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        • Socrates

          Sorry for the spelling errors…"Kamakazi" is what I was trying to say. I see every intention of militarizing Japan without regard to any particular individual being "responsible." Personalities do matter, but shared attitudes are much stronger a determinant. Abe is far from alone in his belief system. Pre-WW II elements still exist in Japan, apparently. There is still glory in war with the warrior class. They became the businessmen of the 70s and 80s. Japan has lain dormant, like a sleeping volcano. The pivot to Asia is part of the strategy of encirclement of China. The Philippines, Australia and Japan, along with Vietnam will be used. I cannot blame one man for this strategy. But he is more than willing in this respect. The time is now with the shame of Fukushima fresh.


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      • invisible ELEphant in the room

        Seeker,

        On Rense's site locate the link to download the latest interview with Shimatsu, copy the link, and paste the link into your web browser address bar. Then change the date in the web browser address bar and you should be able to access previous interviews with Shimatsu. You may also find them on youtube. If all else fails you can subscribe to Rense's archives.

        Personally I prefer Rense's interviews with Bill Deagle on Fukushima, did you hear the latest one:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnoYcTS5S4Y

        Bill Deagle is now predicting that humanity has about 20 years left. Any thoughts on that?


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    So there's the possibility that the contents of #3 fuel pool may be forming a proto-corium blob, but this one is still on the fourth floor, and it's been there for THREE YEARS !!!

    Well that's just F*****g brilliant, and just when where they think of informing us of this little nugget of news. >:(


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Page 12…

    http://www.nsr.go.jp/archive/nsc/NSCenglish/documents/conventions/2011.pdf

    Since 1999. It was a good year to bring good things to life…

    It doesn't matter wich vile cauldron of pandora's poison blew up in the many clear as a f***in bell videos.

    MOX, aka plutonium brew, blew into the wind. A lot of it…


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  • Alrighty… Sue the bastards for withholding vital information/data – CTBTO/IAEA on down to NRC & lame Governors !!!


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    • We Not They Finally

      Sue? Who gets to sue? They even threw out of court lawsuits demanding that the children of Fukushima be evacuated. And these are international cabals. Who gets to sue?

      The whole paradigm of "just sue and hold them legally accountable" seems to be going the way of many other paradigm that have held cultures together thus far. Like "public pressure" will fix things. People get hit by silent invisible tasteless odorless poisons from they cannot readily trace where, even thousands of miles away. The stats are concealed and people just get individual agonies of bad diagnoses privately from their doctors.

      And people seem to care more about their lifestyles and their own personal families. Americans are virtually trained from birth to do that. That's not a prescription for "public pressure."

      Sue who? How? I'd applaud anyone figuring that out. I just don't see it.


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  • 52Rockwell

    Sue? Im thinking Lynch..from the nearest tree or any available facsimile thereof in in urban environment .


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  • Uranium_Mountain Uranium_Mountain

    One company, (Energy Capital Partners) is worth $13 Billion. This company owns Energy Solutions. One day, nuclear power will no longer exist but the Nuclear Whores and all those in bed with them will not let that happen any time soon. When will that day come? When God's Son returns and no sooner. What the Nuclear Whores want is Chaos and Death. This is evident by their deeds.

    http://www.ecpartners.com/about.aspx


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    • We Not They Finally

      Everyone may be already dead before your expected "return." I'd say look for help from wherever it comes. Don't expect any one specific thing or personage. That's how people get shanghaied into believing whatever is dished out by TPTB. Desperate people might believe anything. IMHO.


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      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        Crowdstrike
        "Energetic Bear” Virus And Energy Companies – Business Insider
        A sophisticated cyber weapon has infected industrial control systems of hundreds of European and U.S. energy companies over the last 18 months, Sam Jones of The Financial Times reports.
        Researchers first reported on the espionage operation, linked to the Russian government, in January.

        Symantec, a U.S. cybersecurity company that uncovered more details, said it believes the group behind the attacks is “based in eastern Europe and has all the markings of being state-sponsored.”

        Jones writes that the cyber weapon, dubbed "Energetic Bear," allows its operators "to monitor energy consumption in real time, or to cripple physical systems such as wind turbines, gas pipelines and power plants at will."

        Symantec reported that the attackers first infected three leading specialist manufacturers of industrial control systems, then inserted the malware covertly into legitimate software updates that companies sent to clients.

        The Specter Of Stuxnet
        The malware is similar to Stuxnet, a virus created by the U.S. and Israel that infected Iran's Natanz nuclear facility in 2007 and reportedly destroyed roughly a fifth of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges by causing them to spin out of control.

        Stuxnet is the most powerful cyber weapon ever created, and cybersecurity expert Ralph Langer contends that the attack "changed global military strategy in the 21st century." And it seems that Energetic Bear is…


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  • WesternKyMan

    Whale watching is at an all time high…. whales are everywhere..

    Human #1… look at the whales… they are so beautiful and magnificent….

    Human #2… I know…it's almost as if they are trying to tell us something!!!!

    Whale #1… We are,,, YOU'RE KILLING US!!!!


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  • Ontological Ontological

    The first fireball may have been Hydrogen, but the second vector thrust from the following detonation was a bit too forceful to be just Hydrogen.
    So, let's get this lie straight:
    What if, as a old friend used to say, 1)Power loss created SPF heat. ~> 2)Hydrogen formed. ~> 3)Hydrogen exploded. ~> 4)Force caused a sudden shift in the fuel rods. ~> 5)Movement caused a criticality. ~> 6)Detonation occurred.

    R3 had time to fully melt through so was this alleged criticality originated by the fuel pool or the Mark One reactor?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhOW3DLlow

    Right. Clean energy. Check.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Thus we have the never-ending story a/k/a "like pulling teeth." The hydrogen explosion that may or may not have led to what may or may not have been a nuclear explosion. And why does anything think that the Japanese would be telling the truth? That would be a first. Yet tons of uranium and plutonium were ejected into the atmosphere, apparently permanently, WHATEVER they say. Chris Busby even thinks that it was that, specifically, that set massive killing of plankton into play, hence destruction of the food chain from the sea bed up.

    And the very fact that there is apparently (stop me if I'm wrong) NO report from any international nuclear cabal even addressing this, is as infuriating as what has come out of Japan.


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  • jackassrig

    Metal failed first due to limit on metal temperature. Steam explosion. IMHO


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    • We Not They Finally

      That's interesting. Did you know that radioactivity also breaks metal? Apparently panes are being endangered in the sky from the likes of that and have had to make emergency landings. (As per Leuren Moret, anyway.)


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      • Angela_R

        Good point WeNotTheyFinally, break metal, affect planes.
        Would not be good for robots either. I guess that may have already been demonstrated early in the battle at Daiichi; do wonder though, how their cranes endure.


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      • jonnyboy jonnyboy

        omg your right… so many emergency landings these days….. hmmm


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      • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

        Structural integrity of commercial airliners etc. could indeed be compromised especially if flying through a plume. I did read that somewhere. Maybe here. Good call to re-examine. No less the electronics can be brittlized(myword) and caused to fail. Anybody flying at 30,000 ft. is taking a grave RISK. Taking children on flight is woefully ill-advised too. However, getting a swab of a commercial jetliner's skin and having it analyized would be a step in determining the amount of exposure and to what type of nuclides it encountered. The air filters would also be a valuable source of information. It can be reasoned that if a plane encounters a radioactive plume then it is a logical assumption that all airports, grouds, tarmack have been exposed to a higher level of particulates. Passengers no less get cosmic and neutron bombardment and a bonus of sucking face with everyone on the plane since air is all re-circulated. The ban of smoking on planes changed the necessity of air exchange. Smoke em if you got em.


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        • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

          To continue along that thread, do you think the Prez's Air Force One junkets (and there are many) would knowingly fly through a plume? I see why his hair turned white, getting radiated that high up has all kinds of manifestations. But considering if the exposure is unavoidable to cosmic rays does his science advisor and pilots plan a route around or scrub flights due to high level plumes predicted on the flight path? Maybe it is of no concern because maybe his plane has high level protection and hardened elctronics. Maybe reality is different for him and his family than ours? More questions than answers but there seems to be a growing suspicion, in my mind, that all is not kosher.


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  • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

    Thinking out loud here. Why not try to inject molten glass or concrete around the perimeter below the level of the corium? This would serve the purpose of cutting off the quantity of ground water flowing over the slag and provide them with some relief from flooding into the containment buildings. Mixed with borated oxides the glass would be pretty hard and concrete can be formulated to harden in most conditions. Drilling enough bore holes the mixture might congeal together depending on how deep and the amount of matter is injected to form a barrier. Cheaper and doable with current technology. Rather than trying to freeze the large amount of water mixing with radionuclides and flowing through to the ocean. Just wondering why it wasn't tried. Must isolate that corium in order to deal with it. Lots of concrete needed to achieve a desired affect. What the hell nobody is doing anything, just watching it and competeing for viewers to get hits and ad views. "F" that.


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    • We Not They Finally

      I don't know that anyone anywhere has suggested that it is possible to "isolate the corium[s]." I suspect [though as a layman] that it is dispersed, unevenly sunk and/or too hot to even get near. And that ground is probably sinking too, due to the flooding in of groundwater.

      It's not like it's just a construction site or something. How does ANYONE safely get "below the level of the corium" by now? Also unclear how walling off anything spottily would even help. The poison water, coriums, etc., might just ooze into another dangerous position. And if it's sunk down into the aquifer beneath the NPP, that might get pushed out to the sea in any case.

      It may be that they just had to have acted quickly or it gets more and more impossible to remediate. They made everything worse with inaction, but by now maybe even massive injections of money would not touch this. So we can curse and scream all day, to just "do something!" and what difference does it make? (Just asking.)


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  • Shaker1

    WTNF, basically the metal embrittles with radioactivity. It breaks with applied stress. Metals like zirconium, simply sufficiently oxidized, will shatter like glass upon dropping to the floor. I've personally done that to impress those who I was teaching to weld the stuff of its reactivity and those gross detrimental effects. Adding heat introduces variables in chemical reactions that things can happen on orders little expected.

    The steam pressures under which reactors operate are quite high, and steam is very destructive. I had a book I'd bought on interpretation of ASME codes whose first page was a picture of a shoe factory in the early 20th century. The next page was the aftermath of its boiler blowing. It literally leveled over a city block and threw the boiler head beyond that. I, too, believe that a portion of this was a steam explosion. In this kind of accident, monitoring devices may be quite useless, damage to them and the simple fact that things can happen incredibly quickly that they're pushed beyond limits of reliability. Hydrogen, to me, was a given in that environment and not just zirconium. (I once did a quick calc of how much zirconium is in the tubes of an assembly. It was just over 100#. .237# per in3, a bit heavier for zircalloy.) With reports of rubble onsite and off, I can't think of a scenario in SFP3 that is good. For some it's just 'good' in relation to what they imagine is the worst. Done, one does have to wonder why it matters now.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    This is not how I see it happening. There are just too many loose ends. They are trying to buy a coverup with a partial truth, classic prestidigitation.

    The detonation was in the base of the containment vessel.

    One, the mentioned neutron pulse was projected on the horizontal plane at sea level, as it was seen at stations along the coast, but not those higher up in the mountain side. If the spent fuel pool had been the source of the detonation, the neutron pulse would have been detected at all stations. For the detonation to have been so planar, the detonation would have to have been planar as well. It could have only come from the molten core in the bottom of the containment chamber, sitting in flat molten layers on the concrete, being mixed by the shockwave of the hydrogen explosion, triggering the detonation.

    The detonation pulse from the reactor base could have certainly excited the spent fuel pool at such close range and cause the heat surge in the fuel. But I don't buy the shockwave bunching the fuel rods and causing a nuclear detonation that quickly. That just doesn't make sense. The math doesn't fit.

    Second, the pool is not damaged enough.

    Third, look at the warp in the reactor cap. That came from below.

    Fourth, the crane structure was in the pool. If the detonation was in the fuel po, the crane would be anywhere but there.

    I can go on and on. They missed the mark. It was the molten MOX core.


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    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      +100000000000000 TY, dosdos


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    • Socrates

      I tend to agree that the detonation was at the bottom of the containment rather than in the spent fuel pool.

      The Mark I has sixty some holes in the bottom of the reactor core. These holes open where the moderator rods are located. The fuel rods melted through onto the floor of the containment. Compressional forces from hydrogen explosion, extreme heat, neutron pulse, MOX fuel, the conditions necessay for a moderated prompt criticality occurred in the containment. The velocity of the explosion was in excess of 700 feet per second, indicating a detonation rather than deflagration.. Pieces of Pu were found at great distance. The fuel pool was not damaged enough to be where the compression took place, nor would it likely provide sufficient contained compression, as would the containment which would allow compression.

      I am not an engineer so that is just an impression.


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    • We Not They Finally

      That makes sense, dosdos. And I guess that (not a scientist here) nuclear explosion of the core would be about the worst that could have happened?


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      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        The industry doesn't want to admit that MOX fuel is very volatile and destroys the reactor even before the meltdown. Then when it explodes, the plutonium and the uranium is in a very powdered form even before the explosion, the radionuclides go miles high in the air and it is spread over the entire globe and inhaled by everyone.

        But they just want to keep selling more reactors and keep using MOX fuel and pretend that everything is just hunky dory.


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        • Socrates

          The industry has much at stake with MOX. There is major investment in infrastructure and technology. How can the industry ever let go? Had it not been for the perceived need for the weaponzation of nuclear technology, it never would have been used to boil water. Even with internal combustion engines, they cannot let it go either, although most of the energy is dissipated as heat. Electric cars are several times more efficient.

          We need a vast mobilization to save humanity.


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          • dosdos dosdos

            One memory sticks with me from meetings within the NRC, investigating the explosion of #3 in March 2011. There was a discussion of what caused the explosion. There was a agreement that it appeared to be more than a hydrogen explosion

            Talk turned to what else it might be, and steam explosion was mentioned and talked about briefly. Then there was a very brief and cut off suggestion that it might be the reactor detonating. But that was squelched immediately, and that discussion fell off in a long silence, and the topic was changed, with a promise to look further into the event. But nothing was ever released after that.

            It was a very deep fear that gripped the group when they considered that it might be a MOX detonation. You could tell that implication ran so deeply that they dare not broach the subject out of fear what such knowledge might entail should it become public. They do not want this to become public knowledge.

            There has been talk about the fuel pool, such as Arnie Gunderson once speculated as a possibility. A fuel pool wasn't a MOX issue. It was a design issue. So many people now are doubting the hydrogen story, that they need another one to divert attention from the reactor/molten MOX.

            They'll do anything at this stage to protect the MOX image, because they've gotten away with it for over three years.


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            • Guess a fear of public hearing a MOX admission should rattle them a little. I wonder if that's the one thing that could eventually have actual criminality charges brought against various participators…

              Justice would be sweet, but sadly we'd all still be paying the price for their madness.


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              • We Not They Finally

                What did public hearings do in your neck of the woods? I mean the public meeting near Hanford about babies born with their brains outside their heads? They said they were "mystified," when it was obvious why. But where was the public furor there, or the national publicity?

                We seem to need a base of public education first. People mostly do not even know that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by depleted uranium. But even education becomes harder with so much news blackout. We try to talk to a lot of people individually, though that's like the "pony express" way of doing it. Still, it's excruciating to do nothing and we'd applaud anyone who can or will do more.


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            • Socrates

              The reactors were not designed for MOX. The implications are many,including use of MOX in the USA. I'd have to think about what this means…Pu involved plus detonations would scare the hell out of anyone. It has health implications for the west Coast. I have to research it a bit. How much worse is a MOX detonation of a core in terms of fallout compared to regular fuel? Anyone? Could mean more mortality and morbidity in both countries,heads would roll.

              Melted fuel in the spent fuel poll means fires at the least with much in the atmosphere.


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              • MOX fuel can age a reactor not designed for it….I read that somewhere.

                One other time I was bouncing around here on the nci index and found more than I probably wanted to know about MOX http://www.nci.org/index.htm

                This is just one of them.
                http://www.nci.org/k-m/moxsum.htm

                "The exact quantities of plutonium and other actinides in MOX cores depend on parameters such as the concentration and isotopic content of the plutonium in the fresh fuel. For the case considered in this study we find that, compared to an LEU core, a full WG-MOX core will contain about three times the amount of Pu-239, seven times as much Am-241 and seven times as much Cm-242 at the end of an operating cycle (i.e. just before the reactor is shut down for reloading). For MOX fabricated with reactor-grade plutonium (RG-Pu), Am-241 and Cm-242 inventories are greater by additional factors of 4 and 3, respectively.

                Since most of these radionuclides emit alpha particles, which are much more hazardous per decay than beta or gamma particles if inhaled or ingested, they will contribute significantly to public radiation exposures following severe reactor accidents, even if only a small fraction of the core inventory is released."


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                • Oh good grief. It just keeps getting worse as I read further. "4. The use of WG-MOX in U.S. PWRs is not likely to lower the probability that a severe loss-of-containment accident may occur and may in fact increase it significantly.

                  Some reasons why this is the case are listed below.

                  (a) The ability of high-burnup MOX fuels in current use to withstand severe accident conditions is inferior to that of LEU fuel.

                  It has been observed that MOX fuel assemblies fabricated with current techniques are inferior to LEU fuel with regard to their integrity during abnormal events that cause rapid heating of the fuel, such as reactivity insertion accidents (RIAs) and loss-of-coolant accidents (LOCAs). Based on the results of a series of RIA tests at the Cabri test reactor in France, French regulators have concluded that "MOX fuel shows a higher failure potential than UO2 at comparable burnup." In particular, a MOX fuel rod with a burnup of 55 gigawatt-days per metric ton (GWD/MT), which is typical of burnups achieved in U.S. PWRs today, experienced a violent rupture and dispersal of fuel particles, while two LEU rods of comparable and higher burnups were able to withstand similar conditions without rupture. [11] Based on this test, a French regulator recently concluded that this was a MOX-related phenomenon and that there is a "very high potential for rupture" of MOX fuel in RIA situations. [12]

                  (b) A MOX-fueled PWR may have a greater risk of experiencing pressurized…


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                “…Part of the process of making MOX fuel is to grind plutonium into a fine power before it is robotically inserted into fuel rods. Experts agree these tiny plutonium particles once airborne are extremely dangerous to human health.
                http://www.dcbureau.org/20110315782/natural-resources-news-service/mox-fuel-rods-used-in-japanese-nuclear-reactor-present-multiple-dangers.html

                “…Part of the process of making MOX fuel is to grind plutonium into a fine power before it is robotically inserted into fuel rods. Experts agree these tiny plutonium particles once airborne are extremely dangerous to human health…”
                http://chong.zxq.net/misc/events/MOX_Fuel_Concerns.htm


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                AREVA in secret talks with Japan for spent nuclear fuel from Fukushima Daiichi

                “…’ Part of the process of making MOX fuel is to grind plutonium into a fine power before it is robotically inserted into fuel rods. Experts agree these tiny plutonium particles once airborne are extremely dangerous to human health.
                Lawless, who worked at the DOE’s Savannah River Site and first exposed massive contamination there in the early 1980s, says MOX being used as a way of controlling weapons proliferation is a myth: “You will decrease the amount of plutonium minutely but you will increase the amount of waste inside the fuel rod greatly into something that is very contaminated for a long period of time and they think is that it would be too deadly to handle for a terrorist…This is not necessarily following the best scientific plan or the best engineering decision; this is more a political decision, the MOX.’…”
                http://enformable.com/2011/09/areva-in-secret-talks-with-japan-for-spent-nuclear-fuel-from-fukushima-daiichi/


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                “…Part of the process of making MOX fuel is to grind plutonium into a fine power before it is robotically inserted into fuel rods. Experts agree these tiny plutonium particles once airborne are extremely dangerous to human health….”
                “Lawless, who worked at the DOE’s Savannah River Site and first exposed massive contamination there in the early 1980s, says MOX being used as a way of controlling weapons proliferation is a myth: ‘You will decrease the amount of plutonium minutely but you will increase the amount of waste inside the fuel rod greatly into something that is very contaminated for a long period of time and they think is that it would be too deadly to handle for a terrorist…This is not necessarily following the best scientific plan or the best engineering decision; this is more a political decision, the MOX.’…”
                http://www.dcbureau.org/20110315782/natural-resources-news-service/mox-fuel-rods-used-in-japanese-nuclear-reactor-present-multiple-dangers.html


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                “…No. 3 is the containment vessel authorities believe may have been breached by an explosion. The fear is that another explosion would loose a plume containing fine particles of plutonium which, if inhaled, could cause a major risk of lung and other cancers.

                “That danger is increased by the fact that Mox is made by grinding the plutonium into fine particles, increasing the potential threat.

                “Makhijani tells Newsmax that plutonium is “a very hazardous carcinogen,” and is the most toxic substance that can also be used to create a nuclear reaction.

                “He also tells Newsmax that inhalation of as little as one-millionth of an ounce – an almost undetectable particle size — has been linked to elevated risks of lung cancer. …”
                http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/japan-nuclear-moxfuel-toxic/2011/03/17/id/389801


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                San Onfre was destroyed by the Russian experiments with MOX fuel in the reactor.


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                MOX FUEL PRODUCTION STANDARDS, QUALITY CONTROL AND NUCLEAR
                POWER PLANT SAFETY IMPLICATIONS FOR BOILING WATER REACTORS AT
                OSKARSHAMN, SWEDEN
                ….
                THE BNFL MOX SCANDAl
                “The Japanese MOX scandal that engulfed BNFL during 1999-2000 was due to the falsification of Quality
                Control (QC) data for fuel produced in the Mox Demonstration Facility, MDF….”
                http://archive.greenpeace.org/nuclear/transport/mox00/moxqcsweden.pdf


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                MOX fuel rods used in Japanese Nuclear Reactor present multiple dangers
                “The damaged number three reactor was undergoing its first fuel cycle using MOX at Daiichi. MOX fuel was first used in a thermal reactor in 1963, but it did not come into commercial use until the 1980s. One reason proponents of MOX reactor fuel support its use is because, once the fuel is burned in a reactor, it is so hot that terrorists would not be able to steal a fuel assembly.
                “’The plutonium that has been used for MOX by the French is a very, very small fraction, and they have discovered that they can only use it once because this spent fuel is so hot and the cost of disposing of this spent fuel goes dramatically up compared to the other stuff. ..The French may be recycling 12 percent. The rest is sailing into burials as de facto radioactive waste. So there are dreams and there are realities. The reality is that this costs a lot of money. It is not working…,’ Alvarez “
                says.”
                http://www.dcbureau.org/20110315782/natural-resources-news-service/mox-fuel-rods-used-in-japanese-nuclear-reactor-present-multiple-dangers.html


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                This is the explanation of
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nEncjYf2jJQ
                MOX fuel Fukushima Reactor number 3 spewing BLACK SMOKE
                Uploaded by AFAskygoddess on Mar 23, 2011
                Fukushima's Unit 3 reactor two million times more deadly than uranium.

                Concerns Escalate Over Possible Plutonium Release at Fukushima, unit 3 Reactor
                Fukushima unit 3 reactor is currently loaded with up to 500 pounds of plutonium.
                http://beforeitsnews.com/story/503/372/JAPAN:_Concerns_Escalate_Over_Possible

                Largely absent from most mainstream media reports on the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster is the fact that a highly-dangerous "mixed-oxide" (MOX) fuel in present in six percent of the fuel rods at the plant's Unit 3 reactor. Why is MOX a big deal? According to the Nuclear Information Resource Center (NIRS), this plutonium-uranium fuel mixture is far more dangerous than typical enriched uranium — a single milligram (mg) of MOX is as deadly as 2,000,000 mg of normal enriched uranium.

                "In the event of such accidents (involving the accidental release of MOX), if the ICRP (International Commission on Radiological Protection) recommendations for general public exposure were adhered to, only about one mg of plutonium may be released from a MOX facility to the environment. As a comparison, in [sic] uranium fabrication facility, 2kg (2,000,000 mg) of uranium could be released in the same radiation exposure.", states Nuclear Information Resource Center (NIRS)…


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                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  http://www.naturalnews.com/031736_plutonium_enriched_uranium.html

                  TEPCO: Black smoke rises from No.3 reactor

                  The Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says black smoke was seen rising from the No.3 reactor building at the quake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant at around 4:20 PM on Wednesday.

                  TEPCO told reporters that it received a report 1 hour later that the smoke had gradually cleared.

                  The company said that the level of radiation near the main gate of the plant, 1 kilometer west of the No.3 reactor, was 265.1-microsieverts-per-hour at 5 PM. They added there had been no major change in the levels after the smoke was observed.

                  On Monday afternoon, gray smoke was seen rising from the same reactor building. TEPCO said that the plumes turned white before disappearing.

                  http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_33.html


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Then they lied!
                “March 14th 2011; Reactor 3 blows up! sending 100,000 thousand of highly radioactive plutonium-rich spent fuel rods up to 2 miles away. Each one emitting plutonium laced radiation particles equivalent to a nuclear bomb!…
                “Fukushima is FOUR melting down nuclear reactors- with huge deadly spent-fuel fuel loads and 1,000,000 times more deadly Plutonium MOX fuel. Spent nuclear fuel is about 95% Uranium, another 1% consists of heavy elements such as curium, americium, and plutonium.
                “Remember, 1lb or plutonium spread evenly would kill everyone on planet earth. Reactor 3 which blew up, had at least 500lb of plutonium in it. If you are in the northern hemispheres, this plutonium is in the food you are eating and the air you are breathing right now! One floating particle will kill people for 24,000 years.
                “MOX fuel consists of about 7-9% plutonium mixed with depleted uranium and is equivalent to uranium oxide fuel enriched to about 4.5% U-235, assuming that the plutonium has about two thirds fissile isotopes.** If weapons-grade plutonium is used (>90% Pu-239), only about 5% Pu would be needed in the mix.

                “Chernobyl had 180 tonnes of nuclear fuel on site. Fukushima has, (or had) 1,700 tonnes of nuclear fuel on site. Much of it is now in the air you are breathing right now.

                “Fukushima is a Global, Universal Equal Opportunity Killer; but innocent unborn children will go first to the nuclear gallows.

                “This is an invisible worldwide killer. We will all…


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                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  “This is an invisible worldwide killer. We will all be affected.
                  “An epidemic of radiation related disease and death is coming. Due to ongoing massive global nuclear industry profit protection actions to suppress the truth, you are very likely one of the intended victims! …
                  “Genocidal Maniacs are at the Helm…
                  “Gofman and his partner on the project, Art Tamplin, came to the conclusion that safety standards were woefully inadequate. The AEC pulled his funding and tried to get Gofman to stop talking about the dangers of low level radiation but the man refused to shut up. In the 1982 book Nuclear Witnesses, Insiders Speak Out he said;
                  " Licensing a nuclear power plant is in my view, licensing random premeditated murder."…
                  “The nuclear industry is still deluding itself that it can brainwash us into believing that nuclear energy is still the safest energy source ever….
                  http://www.radiation-remedies.com/Fukushima-A.htm


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Public Health Risks of Substituting Mixed-Oxide For Uranium Fuel in Pressurized-Water Reactors
                https://www.princeton.edu/sgs/publications/sgs/pdf/9_1lyman.pdf


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                “…In November 1992, a fuel rod was broken through a handling error, and MOX dust was released during the mounting of MOX fuel rods to fuel assemblies in the fuel fabrication facility adjoining the MOX facility in Dessel, Belgium. In the event of such accidents, if the ICRP recommendations for general public exposure were adhered to, only about one mg of plutonium may be released from a MOX facility to the environment. As a comparison, in uranium fabrication facility, 2kg (2,000,000mg) of uranium could be released in the same radiation exposure. A one mg release of plutonium can easily happen during various smaller incidents.30…
                “30. Küppers, C. and M. Sailer: 'MOX-Wirtschaft oder die zivile Plutoniumnutzung', IPPNW, 1994, p.38…”
                http://www.wiseinternational.org/node/1771


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                “7. Summary
                “(April 11, 1997) As we have argued, MOX is not and can not be the solution the nuclear industry would have us believe.
                “MOX
                • Is seen by the nuclear industry as an interim solution until such time as the hoped-for commercial use of Fast Breeder Reactors has become standard.
                • Provides a justification for continuing reprocessing.
                • Does not reduce plutonium stocks; the increase is merely smaller than that generated by the use of uranium fuel.
                • Does not save large amounts of uranium: by the year 2000 the saving will have been about 5%.
                • Does not save storage costs; on the contrary, due to the large quantity of actinites, it produces more radiation and heat than uranium fuel and is therefore more difficult to handle.
                • Is expensive: when reprocessing costs are added, it is up to eleven times more expensive than uranium fuel.
                “In practice the plutonium can only be re-used once because of degradation: it becomes less fissionable and more non-fissionable Pu-istopes appear. Due to the presence of plutonium, MOX production is more dangerous than uranium fuel production. Small accidents, which occur all the time, are likely to have far more serious consequences than than they do at present, because of the wide-spread use of plutonium.
                “The use of MOX will not decrease the danger of nuclear proliferation, as is often claimed, but on the contrary, will increase it, due to:
                • Continued reprocessing.
                • The inevitable increase in the transportation of separated…


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                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  “The use of MOX will not decrease the danger of nuclear proliferation, as is often claimed, but on the contrary, will increase it, due to:
                  • Continued reprocessing.
                  • The inevitable increase in the transportation of separated plutonium.
                  • The use of plutonium will become more wide-spread.
                  • Countries building plutonium stocks will provide a bad example.
                  • Safeguarding nuclear materials will become more and more difficult due to the quantities of material involved and the inevitable financial limitations.
                  “Light Water Reactors are designed and constructed for the purpose of burning uranium fuel. They have to be adapted and relicensed for the use of MOX.
                  The use of MOX has three specific consequences for the behaviour of the reactor:
                  • Leak burn-ups cause the fuel rods to weaken.
                  • Far more fission gas is released during the process.
                  • The reactor vessel may become brittle as a result of increased radiation damage, due to the higher energy of the neutron spectrum.
                  “It is clear that the objective underlying the arguments in favour of MOX is the continuation of the production of nuclear power. It should be obvious that this is undesirable.”
                  http://www.wiseinternational.org/node/1772

                  from: #469-470 – April 11, 1997 – Special: The MOX Myth – The dangers and risks of the use of mixed oxide fuel
                  http://www.wiseinternational.org/node/1765


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                ORNL/SUB/00-85B99398V-8
                Calculation Analysis of San Onofre Depletion MOX Fuel Experiment
                https://rsicc.ornl.gov/FMDP/sub0085b99398v8.pdf


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Because of the plutonium at Fukusima Daiichi, this accident is 1000s of times worse than Chernobyl.
                The dangers of nuclear power: Dr. Holger Strohm & Werner Altnicke
                Jul 1, 2014
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGANqiuq8YU
                “Holger Strohm, author of the critically acclaimed 1973 bestseller "quietly into disaster" (original: "Friedlich in die Katastrophe") talks with Werner Altnickel about the dangers of nuclear power as well as the mostly ignored technical aspects that make this form of energy so dangerous to humanity and planet Earth.

                Holger Strohm is the foremost expert in Germany when it comes to nuclear power and the dangers of fission. He has been studying this field for more than 50 years and has written several bestsellers on the subject.

                Watch the trailer for the 2012 movie "Quietly into Disaster" here:
                http://youtu.be/sK6oou1ZEO4

                Visit the film's website:
                http://quietly-into-disaster.com

                This conversation was recorded in April 2011 by the team of http://www.bewusst.tv


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              • We Not They Finally

                Socrates (and all,) Dr. Goodheart still has the best write-up on that on agreenroad. An article by Dr. Paolo Scampa a little over a year after the cataclysm, which is very specific abut the massive amounts of plutonium scattered across the globe.


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            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              dosdos- I remembered a flyover video done right after the explosion. I posted it here, so everyone can refresh their memories of the mox fuel rods exposed from the explosion.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CdCRux9bc


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        • Yep, that simple, you are correct.


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    • Shaker1

      dosdos and Vanna, seems those explanations are quite likely to me. I'm certainly no expert, but it does make sense. The only question I'd have is that, considering the top floor as it is now, the most damage is at a corner beside what I believe is the equipment pool, and another isolated hole, again beside the equipment pool. It still has the basic surface that it had them albeit cracked, and that the containment cap (sagging and damaged) is also more or less intact. Considering that the explosion had a nuclear component (which I do), what was the exit path for material that wasn't vaporized or aeresolized (actual fuel fragments) upward if it came from beneath this floor and directly in or below the RPV or inside containment?

      This is an honest question, not a critique of what you've described. Honestly, I don't know what to think beyond what I talked about, being able to understand a hydrogen explosion, a steam (in this case with the temperatures, a super-steam explosion), and some explosive form with a nuclear component.


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      • dosdos dosdos

        The reactor cap was warped upward by the detonation, meaning that the force of the detonation went around the edge of the cap Toward the spent fuel pool is the transfer conduit, where fuel is loaded into and from the reactor while remaining in water. This is a weak point, where the brunt of the force would travel. Since the cap is a wedge, the force came out of the top at an angle, pointing it toward the roof above the fuel pool.

        However, if you look at the full scope of the damage, the center of the damage was the reactor cap, not the fuel pool, even though the worst damage was around the fuel pool.

        As I stated, if the detonation had been in the fuel pool, it would have blown the the crane away from the pool, not into it. If it had been above the transfer conduit, as is usually where it sits, a detonation from the reactor would have blown the crane into the fuel pool, which is where it landed.

        The force of the detonation was sufficient to make a jumble of the spent fuel pool, shaking the assemblies around, causing some of them to heat up, especially since they were excited by the neutron pulse.

        The one thing the coverup has going in its favor is that they can't get close to the inside of reactor #3 to see what happened. Hence, they don't have the evidence to show the public. They will try to keep it that way.


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        • dosdos dosdos

          Considering the amount of plutonium that was scattered about the countryside (and into the higher levels of the atmosphere), the detonation had to come from the reactor. That much plutonium could not have come from the spent fuel pool and have seen it remain intact. The fuel pool could not have created as much xenon as was released from the #3 detonation.

          All the evidence points toward a reactor detonation, as I have described several times in the past few years. Molten fuel stratifies, heaviest on the bottom (uranium), the next heaviest above it (plutonium), and on up to the lightest on top. The shock wave from the hydrogen explosion mixed the plutonium and uranium together, causing an instant criticality in the horizontal plane. This would have acted as a mortar, sending all the isotopes above it, both liquid and the solid ones still in the reactor, up against the reactor cap with sufficient heat to warp the edges. The massive criticality produced an enormous amount of radioactive xenon, which blanketed the northern hemisphere.


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          • earthsmith earthsmith

            Awsome thread. Just wish it was a hypothetical discussion of what would go wrong if one of these uncontrollable machines where to be built.

            Thank you all for your honest work and thoughts…invaluable!!!…to the world, lest they know

            Maybe people of Japan and the world could have been saved had our leaders brains not reached monetary criticality so long ago…


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          • Shaker1

            Respectfully, dosdos, honestly, I'm still not following your material reasoning beyond the fact of criticality explosion and plutonium being evident outside of containment onsite and off. If my memory is correct, there were fragments of actual fuel rods outside of the building.

            A) I've just re-checked damage photos from the early drone overflights on 3/24/11.

            http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm

            Seems to me that trusses are basically intact over the containment. The fuel pool is definitly visible. I may be a bit disoriented in placement.

            B) The containment cap is actually wedge-like, stepped, which means to detonate upward, it would have to travel around two distinct corners. Do you really believe the containment cap would be in place after such an event, that it just rose and fell back into place, especially as it is stepped? Maybe they moved it back into place somehow sometime afterward? Now, in support of what you said concerning that cap, the building may have helped a vector upward because of its shape.

            Plutonium is a heavier element than uranium. 19.84g/cc as opposed to 18.95g/cc. Honestly there, too, I would wonder so soon after the melt with the temperatures involved and what I can imagine as little real settling of materials into discrete layers, more plutonium may have been available than if it had been layered so.

            Again, this is just discussion, as I do believe in the general scenario.


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            • dosdos dosdos

              From what I read a while back, related to a Savannah River Site technical article (can't find the link), that the uranium oxide in liquid form is heavier than the plutonium oxide.

              Nonetheless, the issue is that the two were in direct contact in molten form on the concrete pad in the bottom of the containment vessel. At that state, without a shock wave, keeps the heat generating, and with the shockwave, it reaches a violent criticality.

              And yes, the explosion was strong enough to lift the cap enough, without completely displacing it, to allow solids to escape. The heat and force of the escaping heated fuel and structure was enough to blow out the roof over the fuel pool. Remember, there is a gated water channel between the reactor and the pool that weakens the structure to that side, creating a path of least resistance at points at the roof above the fuel pool. While the escape was completely around the cap, the brunt pointed toward the fuel pool. It took out the entire roof, but the support beams only above the fuel pool. If you look at the video of the number 3 detonation close enough in slow motion, you'll see the pattern.


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              • Jebus Jebus

                And, If I may respectfully add dosdos,

                There is no way anyone can assume that the girders above the reactor containment, are representative of where the explosion originated, in any way. After an explosion like that, there is no way one can plot any trajectory without knowing exactly every point source and strength of blast.

                They could have fallen there…


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  • Black Reign Man Black Reign Man

    It's a done deal, the Americans are going to help cleanup the mess, once the corporations are relieved of liabilty. Of course, this means the U. S. taxpayers are going to foot the bill.

    The nuke industry can continue producing and selling power (also wielding) for profit.

    Just like the banks who wrecked the economy, were bailed-out by taxpayers, suffered no financial lose, actually made money.

    The only difference is instead of wrecking a banking system and economy, the nukesters wrecked the biosphere, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will continue to sell nuke power until there are no more people to buy power.

    Talk about hanging in there to the bitter end.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Yes, I had heard that due to the undue influence of Jeffrey Immelt of GE, the U.S. taypayers will be on the hook. The SOB should be paying all of our taxes and more himself! That corp pays no taxes. They are the face of evil personified, but this administration installed them right in the heart of D.C.

      My vote (for Obama) may have been counted yes, but still furious that it apparently MEANT nothing. I never voted for THIS.

      During the Vietnam War, there was a movement to withhold whatever part of individual taxation was designated for the war in escrow as a protest. But at least then, people knew what they were wrongly paying for. Here it is so lied about and covered up, that most people don't have a clue. Do people really need to have a "real" war complete with guns and foreign soldiers, bloodshed before their eyes, to realize what they are being hit with? Nuclear (silent, invisible, can't taste, touch, feel, comes from who knows how far away) makes that all daunting. It's demonic.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You are very wise and the deck was/has been stacked for thousands of years purposefully.. :(

    This is just another deck sitting on/removed from the shelf and now being played..


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  • ftlt

    Arnie said so from the beginning.


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  • wheepingwillow2

    So why are such old reports just now making the news? We want to know what's going on NOW? It appears that Daiichi no. 5 and 6 Reactors blew up 4 days ago. What's with that? thanks


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  • Get active people, preach, and not to the choir.

    Shut this shite down


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  • Nukepro has been exposing this incident for a while.

    Check it out. MOX is more dangerous than other fuel.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/fukushima-was-nuclear-explosion-here-is.html


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  • WW2 at the Japan side was created by USA denying oil to Japan. think about that. these asshats do understand that energy will or lack thereof will stop their power. So they want to steal from the future with nuke now, cost later.


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  • whiteaglesoaring

    The gatekeepers are working desperately to contain the explosive news that Magna BSP installed a weird camera at Reactor 3 that looks oddly like a gun-type nuke to blow up reactor 3. The core is lying separate from the reactor in the containment wreckage, even though some sloppy photoshopping was concocted to hide the core by creating a pseudo crane that lacks an operator's cabin.


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  • Nick

    Japan has been radiated for decades.

    The rise of nuclear electrical generating stations was enabled by
    the US.

    The US wants everything to be business as usual, so too do many of the wealthy Japanese.

    Therefore, Fukushima is just a mere bump in the road.

    Simple.

    The rest of us? I bet 1% of humanity has a clue about FD-NPP and that fateful day when coolant was lost to one of the world's largest electrical generating plants.

    Stars go boom.

    Future went kapow.

    Game over.

    Expect GMI. Global Mass Insanity. You tell me you don't already see the evidence around you!

    I am not qualified to discuss nuclear physics beyond the fact that
    it is my belief that a rip or tear in space=time occurred (is occurring) at FD-NPP, that somehow a reverse black-hole of energy
    is being released, the decaying atoms returning some of the enrgy from the Big Bang back into our present, oozing mox-mania.


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  • razzz razzz

    TEPCO and GE know exactly how much PU was mixed in to make the MOX rods, they have to know, to be able to arrange the assemblies correctly (mainly GE's figuring) inside the core for loading.
    Only a quarter of Unit 3's core was loaded with MOX and is typically mixed to 4%-6% in the pellets. 3 year old fuel which would be considered spent would have 1% PU from uranium absorbing neutrons which yields PU (transuranic).

    Fresh MOX fuel being stored in 3's pool would sit in racks with each side of the square lined with boron to prevent neutrons from passing thru. The squares would have to be destroyed for assemblies and rods to start touching then a massive influx of neutrons would have to strike, moderated by hydrogen and/or water. The only thing to make any rods launch without exploding is a vacuum ex. steam explosion. Hydrogen burns doesn't exploded all at once unless under compression.

    Only melting cores generated enough heat (7,000+ degrees) causing PU to settle out (distill). Melted fuel doesn't melt thru, it explodes through all at once by steam and hydrogen pressure. There is no big pipe valve to open to let a melt ooze out the bottom of this reactor vessel.

    Ignore the video and listen to the sounds during 3's explosion(s), more than one happens. I think the last large sound is the trolley beams hitting the sectional cap and leaving its imprint.

    So far, speculation.


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  • Nick

    I have pleaded for years for folks to cherish the now.

    Not because I encourage belly-gazing or slothful behavior, but because that truly is all we have.

    Our now diminishes with every click of an atom winking and blinking and nodding itself out of existence. Where do you think the alpha waves go? This stuff is the real deal, and has no business in our biosphere.

    Fukushima is more than an accident, it is a point in time from which all other time runs out, for the rest of time.

    Simple.

    We can pontificate all we want about this and that but the fact is,
    nothing will ever be the same.

    Yjhe Land of the Rising Sun has fissioned our future into oblivion.


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      Thank you nick for reminding us


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    • Cisco Cisco

      Dead on Nick. Sorry to say there is no hope or prayer that will rescue the planet from this event. It is the end of us. The only question that remains is how long will it be before we, like other civilizations, are relegated to the dustbin of history.


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Add Fukushima to the mountains of nuclear waste sitting around, WIPP, Hanford, and also what about all the plastic choking the oceans, and teh Pesticides, GMO crops? There are many factors adding to the demise of the current structure of life on this planet. Fukushima Daiichi was the tipping point. As far as mother Earth, she will live on, worse for the wear after she shakes off the environmental nightmare of humans.

      Just a side note, we have never received confirmation about the condition of the reactors north of Daiichi. Who knows what the "truth" is about anything. There could be much worse things going on that were never revealed. Chernobyl is still an issue as the sarcophagus is cracking and leaking. Nuclear and Environmental nightmares courtesy of corporations/governments.


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  • Nick

    I have no patience for guesses.

    Watch the vids of Unit #3 and Unit #1 going awol.

    Use what functioning brain cells you have left.

    Make your own conclusions about how much shit went awol.

    Think giant, extremely filthy, and massive dirty bomb.

    Tell me again why we have DHS?

    If our government gave a rat's ass about us, don't you think it would own up to the fact that it has been sloppy over the decades and head over heels with nuclear technology of all sorts?

    Wouldn't mothers have been told to duck and cover for a while while the winds of March '11 blew over them?

    Nope.


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  • Nick

    The US has 100s of military bases all over the planet.

    The US has a vast nuclear weapons arsenal.

    The US and the Japanese(and French) want nuclear to continue despite the teeny tiny f-up at FD-NPP and WIPP/Hanford/Chernobyl/etc.

    Actually we aren't talking about governments anymore, just greedy war-mongering global corporate entities.

    FD-NPP has to be more than just how much crap got (will get ) into the biosphere. It has to be about how we humans (try to) go forward.

    Building community versus chaos.

    Those of us that survive will do so because of the ties we have to those around us.

    Ya can't prep and hunker out FD-NPP, too late for that.

    So get out of the house. Go frolick in the waves. Laugh. Love. Dance like there is no tomorrow.

    On the Beach.


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  • Angela_R

    Hi razzz, as you say "Only TEPCO and GE know exactly how much plutonium was mixed in to make the MOX rods"
    there does seem to be confusion re the amount; it appears that some opinion is based on the idea that all the fuel was plutonium.

    I note your "only melting cores generated enough heat (7000+ degrees) causing Plutonium to settle out (distill)." It does appear to me to have been a hydrogen explosion, i.e. the hydrogen would have formed and exploded prior to the heat having risen to 7000+. Though some plutonium could have already formed from the other fuel, which I take to have been Uranium 238, so perhaps another explosion. Plutonium, unlike plutonium dioxide or uranium oxide (the usual MOX composition), would melt at 640 deg.C. But plutonium under certain conditions, can also spontaneously ignite.

    As you say though, speculation.


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    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      It is not speculation that there was a nuclear detonation (nuclear explosion caused by a nuclear criticality of the nuclear fuel) according to nuclear expert engineers. The nuclear explosion is supported by the facts.


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    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      USING WARHEAD PLUTONIUM AS REACTOR FUEL DOES NOT MAKE IT UNUSABLE IN NUCLEAR BOMBS
      “…Using warhead plutonium in MOX fuel neither ‘burns it up’ nor renders it unusable in nuclear weapons. In fact, reactor-grade plutonium is even more desirable than weapon-grade in crude bomb designs that might be used by terrorists because reactor-grade makes initiation of the nuclear chain reaction easier….
      “Reactors Do Not ‘Burn Up’ Plutonium
      “The MOX option would leave modestly less plutonium in final waste than the immobilization option. However, it is misleading to speak of MOX "burning" of weapons plutonium as if all or even most of the plutonium is consumed during irradiation. In fact, irradiated weapons-plutonium MOX fuel would contain only about 30 percent less total plutonium per unit fuel than fresh MOX.1
      “However, even these reductions are not likely to be achieved in practice, because they would require reactors to be loaded entirely with MOX fuel. No light-water reactor anywhere in the world has been operated with a 100 percent MOX core. More realistically, a light-water reactor (LWR) loaded with one-third core of MOX fuel would discharge only about one percent less plutonium than was contained in the MOX fuel originally loaded.2
      “Warhead Plutonium Can Be Retrieved from Final Waste Forms…
      "Reactor-Grade" Plutonium Can Be Used to Make Bombs
      “The third factor is the isotopic composition of the residual plutonium in the final waste form. Plutonium disposed of in glass…


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      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Plutonium disposed of in glass remains weapons-grade (about 93 percent Pu-239). Weapons plutonium in irradiated MOX fuel contains a considerably smaller proportion of Pu-239, and a higher proportion of Pu-240, after irradiation than before. Because Pu-240 emits more spontaneous fission neutrons than Pu-239, it is more likely to "predetonate"—that is, begin the chain reaction too early to achieve full explosive yield when the bomb is detonated. Bomb designs utilizing reactor-grade plutonium would also require a somewhat larger critical mass of plutonium, and would need to account for the greater heat generated by Pu-238. These differences between reactor-grade and weapon-grade plutonium are not nearly as important from a non-proliferation perspective as some have argued….”
        http://www.nci.org/i/ib32897c.htm


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      • Angela_R

        VanneV, there may be weapons grade plutonium in the plutonium dioxide which is then combined with uranium oxide to make MOX fuel; but MOX fuel made of 100% plutonium?


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        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          All MOX contains weapons grade plutonium. There is no maybe about it.

          I have given the sources above for weapons grade plutonium rods:

          VanneV
          July 5, 2014 at 11:41 am
          VanneV
          July 5, 2014 at 7:23 am

          You can translate the Japanese by copy pasting the pages into Google translate.

          There was at least one methane explosion at Fukushima Daiichi in March 2011. With all the fracking and methane melting in the Arctic from nuclear waste dumping by the Russians, it is insane to keep both fracking and nuclear energy even more insane than just one of these technologies.


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    • razzz razzz

      I have no idea what VanneV is going on and on about. MOX fuel is reclaimed fissionable PUs from various sources, usually nuke bombs or spent reactor fuels.

      You can only reclaim/reprocess/extract PU once. After reclaimed PU in MOX fuel undergoes fission inside a reactor core, it is no longer viable to recover/extract more PU from spent MOX rods/pellets. What is left of the fissionable PU is mixed and degraded with other PU elements that are not fissionable and almost impossible to separate out from what is fissionable PU. The recycle phase is over after one reprocessing and use (in a reactor core).

      1% PU contained in typical uranium spent reactor fuel is recoverable and that is what nuke bombs can be made of or reused for MOX fuel after reprocessing/recovery. Very expensive, time consuming, dangerous and creates a whole bunch of chemical wastes to deal with. Hardly worth the trouble to power your doorbell or fry eggs.

      You can have random fission during a meltdown and there clearly was at Daiichi with neutron beam production but for an excursion fissionable fuel has to fall or melt into a configuration to carry out an extended chain reaction. Low % fuel enrichment of either uranium or PU tries to avoid runaway reactions during normal reactor operation. During a meltdown, anything is possible.

      Broken steam or return water piping to the reactor core that passes thu primary containment would be suspect directional venting paths during explosions at Unit 3.


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  • jackassrig

    Radiation embrittles steel. I brought this up a long time ago. The reactors were brittle from constant bombardment from radiation. The Russians knew this and heat treat the reactors to soften the steel particularly around the weld seams which are basically a casting. TEPCO to my knowledge has never said they heat treat the reactors after a certain number of hours. I doubt it. The safety valves on the reactors were activated by power. TEPCO lost all power including their battery banks. That's the reason TEPCO was running around trying to find batteries to get the instrumentation back on line. I thought this type of valve had to be equipped for manual operation. For what ever reason the valves could not be opened. Due to heat from the core, the steam pressure went up and therefore the steam temperature went up – check steam tables. At about 1000 degF steel looses all residual stress. TEPCO admits the bottom head of unit 2 dropped off. Water in reactor flashed to steam and meltdown starts. Metals loose strength due to embrittlement from radiation but also from hydrogen. It's call hydrogen embrittlement.


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  • jackassrig

    I think the reactors were in pretty sorry state over time due to hydrogen, radiation. Then add high temperature and you have a recipe for explosion.
    I did a study on a fired heated in Canada that had failed. What had happened was the tubes overheated and fell over like a limp rag on the floor and sides of the heater. The metal lost all residual stress. IMHO


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  • We Not They Finally

    If all those spent fuel rods in SFP4 were smashed together into two "lumps" (as the above report says,) then OF COURSE there was criticality! Arnie Gundersen had said that if even two rods touched each other, there you go!

    So they had to have just outright totally up-front LIED about they were going to remove individual fuel rods. And does criticality like that even ever end? What could even make it stop if the rods are massively crunched together?

    Does anyone else remember TEPCO's video abut rod removal, with the perfectly sanitized floor of perfectly ordered rods being carefully lifted out one by one?

    Some grey matter I'd like to smash together and it's not rods.


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  • American Phoenix57

    Don't miss: The Atomic States of America

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1hkU9UkPpE


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    AP57
    Search Documentary Films | Discover Documentaries online.
    http://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/filmedia/gsearch.php#q=Fukushima%20&label=movies

    These are some great docs to add , this doc site is beautiful and I see they have added to it since my last visit .
    Use the search button and look up nuclear and there's a bunch more I spent hours and hours watching .
    I had no idea
    "Lover of docs "


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    • American Phoenix57

      Thanks for the heads up clamshellernh. Seems like a treasure trove of new hard hitting anti nuke docs are making their way to the surface of human consciousness. I will be adding several to the survival guide. Share, share, share. . .


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  • ~Beware The Evil Wind~

    MOX atomic radiation fuel was never designed to be used in atomic radiation power reactors. Whistle blowers in Olkiluoto Finland attest to the overheating of MOX fueled atomic reactors in that nation.

    Adding MOX fuel to KNOWN inferior designed ageing atomic reactors is a disaster almost guaranteed to happen. Such criminal action against humanity should never be allowed to go unjudged. There seems to be a problem with images from TEPCO as opposed to those of media manipulation. The poor and the destitute seem to do fantastic cleanup work on so called official news presentations.


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      -Beware the evil Wind- TEPCO no different than the entire nuclear cartel. They are all one and the same. There are no considerations of anything but how much money can be made at the expense of humanity. Nuclear energy is too expensive, and is obviously a technology that is beyond our comprehension and ability to manage. Thee are much cheaper ways to generate electricity, but then large coproations wouldn't be able to sell $$$ reactors, and all the toys of the military that use nukes would quit working. These maniacs will kill us all.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZEp3PA


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Official Coverup Obscures The Collapse Of Reactor 4
    See The Video Of What Is Being Demolished At Fuksuhima Daiichi Here
    By Yoichi Shimatsu
    Exclusive To Rense.com
    6-30-12
    http://www.rense.com/general95/offic.html


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    From March 2011 article when the US was still "allowing" information re:radiation in the news. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/4-of-6-daiichi-reactors-cant-be-fixed-tokyo-electric-president-hospitalized/2011/03/30/AF3iw01B_story.html

    Four of six Daiichi reactors can’t be fixed; Tokyo Electric president hospitalized

    Further down in the article: "In the United States on Wednesday, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration announced that minuscule amounts of radioactive iodine-131 — probably from Fukushima — had been found in milk from Washington state. The amount detected was “more than 5,000 times lower” than the amount that would trigger FDA restrictions, the agency said." LIARS they had to raise the "safe" limits because we were being hammered all along the west coast, and eventually throughout the world.


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Stunning Story from a Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant Worker: Interview by Comedienne Oshidori Mako
    fukushima • reactors • 21-30june2013
    http://www.save-children-from-radiation.org/2013/06/23/stunning-story-from-a-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant-worker-interview-by-comedienne-oshidori-mako/


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Reporters reveal “blast ruined inside of containment vessel” at Fukushima Unit 4 — Walls ‘destroyed’ — Explosion was ‘believed’ to have been outside reactor (PHOTO)
    February 12th, 2014
    http://enenews.com/strange-reporters-reveal-blast-ruined-inside-of-containment-vessel-at-fukushima-unit-4-walls-within-it-destroyed-explosion-is-believed-to-have-taken-place-outside-reactor-photo

    photo of damage with this article


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The Island of Screams…

    Pandora's most toxic poison has been spread, like so much pollen, all over Honshu and beyond.

    Plutonium. Plutonium Pollen. Pollinating Pandora's Promise.

    Genome Defects, Birth Defects, Disease, Cancer, Death.

    Effectively Forever…

    Fukushima Didn’t Just Suffer 3 Meltdowns
    It Also Suffered Melt-THROUGHS and Melt-OUTS
    Posted on April 25, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog

    The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission agrees.

    Indeed, “hot particles” with extremely high levels of radiation – 7 billion, 40 billion , and even 40 billion billion Bq/kg – have been found all over the Fukushima region, and hundreds of miles away … in Tokyo.

    Let’s put this in perspective. The Atlantic notes:

    Japanese regulations required nuclear waste with 100 or more bq/kg of Cesium to be monitored and disposed of in specialized containers.

    ***

    The new government limit for material headed for landfills is 8000 bq/kg, 80 times the pre-Fukushima limit.

    So the hottest hot particle found so far is 5 million billion times greater than the current government limits of what can be put in a landfill.

    In other words, the core of at least one of the Fukushima reactors has finally been found … scattered all over Japan.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/fukushima-didnt-just-suffer-3-meltdowns-suffered-melt-throughs-melt-outs.html


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    • Jebus Jebus

      悲鳴の島…

      パンドラの最も有毒な毒はすべて本州を越えて越えて、そんなに花粉のように、普及している。

      プルトニウム。プルトニウム花粉。パンドラの約束を受粉。

      ゲノム欠損、先天異常、疾患、癌、死。

      効果的に永遠に···

      福島はわずか3メルトダウンを受けなかった
      また、メルトスルー、メルトアウトを負った
      WashingtonsBlogにより2014年4月25日に掲載

      米国原子力規制委員会は同意します。

      確かに、非常に高い放射線のレベルが「ホットパーティクル」 – 東京のすべての福島領域の上に発見されている、と数百マイル離れて… – 70億、400億、さらには400億億ベクレル/ kgの。

      それでは視点でこれを入れてみましょう。大西洋の注意事項:

      日本の規制は、専門の容器内に監視され、処分されるセシウムの100以上のBQ/ kgの放射性廃棄物を必要とした。

      ***

      埋立地に向かった材料のための新しい政府の制限は、8000 BQ/ kgで、80回前福島限界である。

      そう見つけ最も熱い熱い粒子は、これまで埋立地に置くことができるものの現在の政府の制限より500万億倍である。

      換言すれば、福島反応器の少なくとも一方のコアが最終的に見出されている…全国に散らばっ。

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/fukushima-didnt-just-suffer-3-meltdowns-suffered-melt-throughs-melt-outs.html


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Wow! This sounds very bad.. :(


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  • URS is a large and particularly evil company. they are effing up Hanford, and they also run the WIPP.

    Not only do they fire whistleblowers, they are asking the US taxpayer to pay lawyer fees of $1200 per hour to fight against the lawsuits by the whistleblowers.

    Wow! URS sucks, lets bankrupt them.

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/07/03/3049192/senator-urs-may-ask-for-650000.html


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  • A reader asked me, what does this WIPP thing really means, put it in laypersons terms. And I don't write quick, but after 3 hours, I think this will be understandable to many people.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/03/wipp-nuclear-disaster-in-2014-in-new.html


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    • Awesome! I'm making my own file of radiation data, links, pics of evil sunsets & will stick on a flash drive. Short and sweet, a portable "teaching aid quickie" designed for a layperson. To travel with me as my $12 brain extender. :)


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Teri, that is actually brilliant.

        Who, among us can not do that?

        Deserves a collective ENENEWS KISS…

        :lol:


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        • Oh gosh thanks Jebus. It's so weird how I got the idea…I send great-grandkid pics to my 91 yr old mom when I can get fb to work and download them from the relatives. Can only do black and white though (color ink's expensive, dries up too soon in between) so it's 4 to a page prints and snail mail to her. She only does snail mail.

          Thought maybe she wouldn't have a techno-phobia collapse if sometime I put some some nice color ones on a flash drive to send her. She goes to Walgreens, etc and could have copies or enlargements made at her end, send it back to me for the next bunch.

          THEN (a frickn' mirical occured)….I thought about doing radiation info stuff for flash drives also (not for my mom, she'd keel over) but to take with me or make multiples…under $10 I could even give away.

          Serendipity or spirit guides….all a mystery, but something ploinked that new idea right into my brain. :) I really think we all could do this too and not overwhelm people with words and dry data. I'm stoked! :)


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  • Exelon, also an amazingly evil corporation wants to shut down wind power because "it is going to shut down nuclear plants"

    PUKE!
    http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2014/07/03/nuclear-giant-exelon-blasts-wind/

    “If the government believes that they’re improving the environment by subsidizing wind, they are wrong,” Exelon CEO Christopher Crane told the Chicago Tribune in late April. “It is going to shut nuclear plants down.” Around the same time, Exelon Senior Executive Vice President William Von Hoene Jr. clarified the company’s position. Exelon is not “anti-wind,” he told trade reporters, “but anti-subsidy.” – See more at: http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2014/07/03/nuclear-giant-exelon-blasts-wind/#sthash.GcZ369zv.dpuf


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  • We have much better options for energy than nuclear. Spain is doing it.

    MADRID, July 3 (Xinhua) — A study published by the Spanish Electricity Network (Red Electica Espanola) on Thursday showed renewables covered 42.2 percent of the demand for electricity in mainland Spain in 2013 with wind energy the main contributor.

    Wind energy produced 21.2 percent of the country's electricity, 3.1 percent up on the 18.1 percent from 2012.

    Meanwhile, hydro-electric power contributed 14.6 percent of needs, while solar power covered 4.8 percent of demand, renewable thermal energy 2 percent and other sources, such as biomass, accounted for the remainder

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/business/2014-07/04/c_133458836.htm


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Promises, Promises…

    Fukushima's radioactive soil sparks fights, exposes the enormity and hopelessness of clean-up task
    by Martin Dunphy on Jul 4, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    The prime minister even took the extraordinary and controversial step of appointing a hard-core nuclear-power backer as an NRA commissioner to conduct reviews of start-up plans, replacing a seismologist who has been widely criticized by the nuclear industry for delaying restarts with stringent safety conditions.

    http://www.straight.com/news/680196/fukushimas-radioactive-soil-sparks-fights-exposes-enormity-and-hopelessness-clean-task

    That Abe sure has some twenty twenty vision…


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  • mairs mairs

    Germany now produces half of its energy from solar power. All we can do in the US is look on with longing and envy at a country that is not captured by the nuclear industry.


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  • Sparky Sparky

    test–logging-in is becoming more difficult, even with the "work arounds". :-( Like others, I've notified Admin. Let's hope a fix is in the works.


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    • califnative califnative

      Sparky – one thing I've noticed is as soon as I log in and click on something else it says logged out, but if I hit the BACK BUTTON it shows I am still logged in. I always have to keep an eye on the log in/out link.


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  • 52Rockwell

    Well I had all night to sleep on my comment about lynching them , and I realized I replied too hastily.I think we should Tar and Feather them ,and ride em on a rail
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_and_feather
    Then force them to endure the horrors they have helped to perpetuate on the world.


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  • lucius.cornelius

    EDIS reports a magnitude 4.9 quake at 40km depth, location 'Namie', Fukushima – about 60km south of the power plant (rough estimate). Can't see anything on news feeds on google so I guess it's not so serious (this time).


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