Gov’t spokesman discusses ‘heat’ or ‘lack of walls’ decreasing strength of No. 4 reactor building — “We’ve NOT included these points in our assessment even though that may exists” (VIDEO)

Published: May 8th, 2012 at 10:02 am ET
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*Shocking* Q & A at NISA press conference – leaning Fukushima reactor 4 building
Uploaded: May 8, 2012
Translated by: Goldieluvmj

At 2:50 in

Kino: Are you saying that there is no damage to the building and have you not considered all of these points in your assessment?

NISA: Whether there are damages to the building, whether strength of the building has decreased due to heat or lack of walls etc, we’ve not included these points in our assessment even though that may exists. Regarding the unit 4 spent fuel pool problems, safety wise, we recognize that it is a very important problem and therefore we’ve made some reinforcements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F6ZQRt3fZk&feature=player_detailpage#t=154s

Published: May 8th, 2012 at 10:02 am ET
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59 comments to Gov’t spokesman discusses ‘heat’ or ‘lack of walls’ decreasing strength of No. 4 reactor building — “We’ve NOT included these points in our assessment even though that may exists” (VIDEO)

  • norbu norbu

    What planet are they operating on? The lies continue

    • el

      The lies were always present. We are just better at spotting them now. So it seems like there are more, but they always were there….

      …..trusting polititions and experts equals a religious belief in Authority.

      Its based in faith.

  • Cisco Cisco

    The consensus of those who are in charge in Japan, US, the EU, the NRS, the IAEC, the nuclear industry, supporting politicians, lobbyists, consultants and all the other associated shills complicit with the MSM, is not to report the real conditions at Fukushima Daiichi.

    In a US Homeland Security study about a “a hypothetical catastrophic event like a radiological dispersal device”, one of the study’s authors concludes and states the following, “Anything we can do from a policy standpoint that can reduce excessive public concern about an event has huge economic benefits. Carefully crafting messages to both advise the public and alleviate fears not only helps to prevent panic, but also helps to prevent long-term economic harm. Anything that can be done from a policy standpoint to reduce excessive fear from the public has considerable benefits.”

    Although I have no confidence in what is being done to abort the radiological firestorm to come, people have a right to know, no matter how frightening the possibilities. If the public was accurately informed, it would demand an international intervention. But, if TEPCO and the current folks in charge are permitted to continue on the same path (the fix and the PR), there will absolutely be…a global catastrophe.

    So, how do we motivate/manipulate the MSM into action?

  • arclight arclight

    or lack of walls etc, we’ve not included these points in our assessment even though that may exists

    blimey

    the assessment didnt take into account the lack of walls??? ;/

    the lack of walls may exsist??

    was this based on a statistical analysis done on the back of a beer mat in a bar/pub by a well known statistician like …. say……. richard wakeford ( a SUPERstition specialist from liverpool pro nuke university 😉 ) perhaps??? lol! not sending my kids there!!

    that would then start to make sense!!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    No walls..you say..sorry… Heart takes an "I told you so " on this one.

    • NRC's Operation Center Fukushima Transcript Audio Clips March 16 2011
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gtnTnjko5BU&NR=1

      Paraphrasing: With Mark 1, with station blackout you are going to lose containment.

      Units 1 and 2 are "boiling down."

      No walls on unit 4. "Lost geometry" on spent fuel pool #4. The "side of the reactor building" (4) are gone. No water in there at all.

      Paraphrasing one person's articulation of worst case scenario: 3 reactors in meltdown with primary containment lost and up to 6 spent fuel pools in degraded condition possibly with spent fuel pool fires.

      Another speaker (paraphrasing): It has progressed to 2 multiple reactors and multiple spent fuel pools and maybe 4 reactors and 4 spent fuel pools.

      "We haven't seen any mitigation of any events."

      "you got to assume it is going to go to the final event…"

      • Oh yes… another 'gotcha' moment!

        "When I hear the word 'safe' in the same sentence as 'Nuclear Power Plant' it makes me want to explode!" – ChasAha

    • evendine

      Yep – implies that as Arnie suggested in a radio interview last week, that they are basically pouring water <b>onto</b> what's left of the contents of SPF4 and the water is thereafter running out into the basement. Also indicates that the images we've seen of SFP4 are fakes, of course…

  • bigfatscaryman bigfatscaryman

    Oh my Golly, I think a cornchip just came out my nose laughing so hard at this headline, what is WRONG with these people?!!!!!!!

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    We need to separate the World Health Organization from the IAEA (international atomic energy agency) perhaps that is how to motivate the MSM, just thinking thoughts.

    • el

      NO, I dont think more regs in the Form of Govt, or NGOs, is the solution.

      It hasent worked so far has it?

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Perhaps you misunderstood the IAEA controls WHO and if there should ever be two organizations which should be separated it is those two. Check out the Chernobyl documentary (on Enenews) which will help you understand the conflict. NO NUKES

        • el

          LOL agreed. You notice the fox guards the hen house there…..

          Its the same way with all of the orgs–I think they all have a pyrimidical structure that allows for no individual accountability, UN included…..you cant change the structure.

          I realize that a world controlled by this kind of corporate insanity will kill and maim the Planet and all its inhabitants AT WILL.

          In a world where you are to take these Orgs at face value, separating them makes sense. But in the world as it actually is, separating two already corrupt entities wont fix the problem.

  • norbu norbu

    3 bedroom self powered unit, building is in great shape ready to move in status.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Thanks md. So fucking sad what happened yesterday.
      LAWSUIT? WHY THE HELL NOT….grrrrr! 🙁

      • labmonkeywithagun labmonkeywithagun

        would like to get them out of there TODAY!

        • Whoopie Whoopie

          ME TOO MD. I POSTED STORY AT F311WDS. so damn sad. I HAVE NO MONEY EITHER!! grrrrrrrr!

      • evendine

        It seems to me that the policy of deliberate radioactive contamination of a populated area (e.g. burning of radioactive debris, or failing to do everything possible to prevent further emissions generally) qualifies as a 'crime against humanity' under international law.

        Under Article 7 of the Rome Statute (jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court) section 1 states:

        'For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

        (a) Murder;
        (b) Extermination;

        (f) Torture;

        (h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;

        (k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health'

        Section 2 qualifies certain terms:

        'b) "Extermination" includes the intentional infliction of conditions of life, inter alia the deprivation of access to food and medicine, calculated to bring about the destruction of part of a population;

        • evendine

          (e) "Torture" means the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, upon a person in the custody or under the control of the accused; except that torture shall not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to, lawful sanctions;

          (g) "Persecution" means the intentional and severe deprivation of fundamental rights contrary to international law by reason of the identity of the group or collectivity;

          It seems to me that all of the above clauses apply in this case.

          Surely amongst those who are victims (or potential victims) of this apparent serious crime, there must be lawyers willing to take the government to the International Criminal Court? At very least, doing this will execution stop the policy in its tracks and cause the perpetrators / government deep embarrassment!

          This site has much useful info on how to go about it:

          http://www.aegistrust.org/Crimes-against-humanity/what-are-crimes-against-humanity.html

          It seems Japan has been party to the Rome Statute since 2007:

          http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=7920

          There are examples of attempts to bring the heads of state of 'developed' countries who commit crimes against humanity to justice in the nuclear arena, e.g. the Davies injunction against nuclear weapons:

          http://www.worldservice.org/blog/2006/05/archive-of-recent-updates-injunction.html

          • selfsovereign

            Wholeheartedly agree with you.
            When corporations/governments/international bodies commit premeditated crimes against humanity and all of creation, it establishes a precedent, a pattern of behavior, that makes the rule of law a laughing hypocrisy.

            Centralized power, of any type (energy,politics,military,others…) always gets corrupted.

  • el

    So, #4 is bad, but what about the really bad vaporization of #3 that already happened?

    They dont mention it. Dont ask about it. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain….

  • norbu norbu

    #3 was the one, but don't think about it at least not yet. distraction, cloud bank, smoke screen……..

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Speaking of reactor 4, I ask you to look at these videos from the good old days of 5/4/12 and 5/5/12 that Wotcha posted, and please explain why the reactor 4 spent fuel pool looks transparent. If nothing has happened yet to reactor four, then why is it a pile of burnt, blackened rubble? Thanks!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Bw0llRlj4&feature=relmfu

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN4q0HrFfsA&feature=plcp

    • el

      lol thats just the Gamma rays…..

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Yep, how does one go about removing damaged spent fuel? Geez what a debacle. I wish there was something they could throw into those pools which would turn them into a solid mass of glass, like vitrification. Come on someone on here must have the brains to figure this out, please, please……

      • el

        isnt that ICE-9, like in Voneguts book?

        Syncronycity is natures reminder to sit up and pay attention.

      • patb2009

        send in thousands of bio robots.

      • snowwy snowwy

        there is liquid glass, but i do not think it would be a great idea to solidify the cooling agent at this point.

        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          No I don't think much can be done as it is damaged which makes a difficult situation even more so but I still have trouble wrapping my head around the enormity. Not just the disaster but the buildings are so immense. Why would we build something we cannot control. I'm rendered speechless.

      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        The problem with the glass idea is that most of the spent fuel needs so much cooling for so long (many years) that if it was encased in glass it would very quickly simply melt the glass.

  • norbu norbu

    yes burnt like bacon, 3 had mox fuel vaporized nasty stuff, it's all bad 3,4 pick a card any card…..

  • StillJill StillJill

    Never stop Rooks,……you are the carrier of the 'conscience flag' in Japan. You will get out,…your children WILL recover,…and parents still in Japan will think of YOUR FAMILY,…when they lay their dead children to rest. Then,…THEN,…they will believe radiation kills. Unfortunately,…not before. Some 'learnings' must come at a very high price!

    Red Foreman coming out again,……."Dumbasses!"

  • el

    the funny thing is–WE HAVE DRONES ALREADY!

    you think we cant fix this?

    COME ON. THEY DONT DESIRE TO FIX IT.

  • el

    Every article in Enews is an exercise in recognizing Logical Fallacies. Learn about it, and you see how the BS weve been recognizing is a propaganda technique thats hard at work today in the form of "official reports".

    Its fun, but it may piss you off, that the dis info and obfuscation. is intentional and almost 2000 years old….

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html
    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
    http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    The fuel needs to be removed and lowered from the wrecked building, pronto.

    • Anthony Anthony

      I almost think in the scheme of things they should be moving the fuel in the 50 meters away common pool simultaneously! THAT'S the mother-lode of toxins easily affected if 4 topples. This whole last year they have had LOTS of time to get working on this. They should have been working on this the last 400 days as preventative maintenance. Its common sense. Its risk reduction in its simplest form.

    • snowwy snowwy

      too right! there is no excuse to handle the situation worse than the soviets did back in 1986.

      also money should not be a factor in this anymore…. go go go, get it done! show a bit of the tenacity that Japan is supposedly renown for

  • snowwy snowwy

    next thing we hear is that there might be a risk after all…

    cover your eyes now:

    THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE FATE OF THE PLANET IN THEIR INCOMPETENT HANDS!

    i am furious about it.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    I would love to witness the Japanese officials as they inspect this site.
    They must form a circle, then very carefully shove their heads up the ass of the person in front of them,
    then wander aimlessly, in what could only be described as a headless scrum type of formation.
    After several hours of tripping over debris, they head back to the office and fill out their reports.
    It's the only way they can not see what every other person sees when they view the site…..

  • glowfus

    the earthquakes are doing their own assessments on fuku and as you know, earthquakes cannot tell a lie!

  • Did anyone notice how black unit 4 looks in this video?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03f_WEmiXY&feature=plcp

    It did not used to be so black.

    • snowwy snowwy

      unsure but they have removed the bits that used to be the remains of the wall… possibly just more visible now than it was earlier

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    So are we supposed to play "what if" ad finitum?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0catEdRqGX4

  • The Blue Light.

    I no longer think that TEPCO are lying, I think they are all suffering from some sort of group reinforced mental health problems. This I find far more frightening, I prefered it when they were lying.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    “…the increasingly precarious condition of the many tons of fresh and spent fuel in the leaking, tilting and badly destabilized spent fuel pool at Fukushima Daiichi's #4 plant….

    “Hmmm. Sort of looks like he "gets it," right? A mere handful of nuclear garbage dispersed in a city by a conventional explosive device would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. There are more than 1500 fuel assemblies – each with ~96 12-foot fuel rods – in the #4 SFP, and more than 400 of them were the active unit 4 core….”
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/02/1088197/-Nukes-To-Be-or-Not-To-Be-Deadly

  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    Anne: Correct, SFP R4 is not on bedrock. It's on the least consolidated of any soil type, landfill. These reactor structures might as well be floating on jello when there is an earthquake. I personally believe the coriums from R1-R3 are at a fairly good distance below the plant (more than a Kilometer) and perhaps won't cause further settling–touch wood (wishful thinking that I hope is true). The structural integrity of R4 SFP has been weakened, not just by the mechanical action and ground acceleration of earthquakes, but also by the excursions of neutrons and gamma rays during the previous nuclear explosions/fires at FukuDai. Any fires in the R4 spent fuel pool or on-site burning of high-level nuclear waste would also create an accelerated release of ceramic, metal and concrete decrepitating neutrons and gamma rays. Any future interruptions in R4 SFP cooling will similarly cause an accelerated aging of the already damaged structure. A burn and meltdown at the Common Spent Fuel pool or incineration site are other scenarios where R4 SFP would be further rapidly weakened. On the other hand, and I really hope this is as out on a limb as it seems to me to be, the power elite of the planet, for whatever reasons (fill in the blanks yourselves–I'm not defending any big-picture analysis against English first language speakers of the U.S. who mostly think deep analysis of powers that be is to be always labelled conspiracy) are not planning on allowing FukuDai R4 SFP to collapse.

    • CaptD CaptD

      RE: The … are not planning on allowing FukuDai R4 SFP to collapse."

      Like they have ANY SAY, Fukushima preved the Nature can destroy any land based nuclear reactor OR IT'S SFP, any place anytime 24/7/365…

      NO PERMISSION NEEDED… that is why this is such a BIG deal…