Published: December 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm ET
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Fukushima – Could it Have a China Syndrome?, Fairewinds, Dec. 14, 2011 (Emphasis Added):
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Fairewinds’ Chief Engineer Arnie Gundersen discusses whether the accidents at Fukushima were a meltdown, a melt-through, or a China Syndrome. Whatever the accidents are named, thousands of tons of water contaminated with plutonium, uranium, and other very toxic radioactive isotopes are flooding the site, the surrounding water table, and the ocean.
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- Last week, Tokyo Electric announced that the core inside the nuclear reactor had definitely melted through and had also melted partly through the containment
- I think that there have been a lot of exaggerations and misunderstandings on the internet
- So the question I would like to talk about today is, can Fukushima become what is called The China Syndrome?
- It dates back at least until the 60′s
- It means is that the nuclear core melts [...] from America toward China through the center of the earth
- An over-exaggeration to begin
- It does mean that the nuclear core leaves the nuclear reactor, leaves the containment, and gets into the earth
- That is what a China Syndrome really means
- Now remember the nuclear reaction has stopped [at Fukushima]
- We are down to less than 1% of the nuclear heat
- So now we have got a blob [that is] now lying flat on the floor underneath the nuclear reactor
- If there were a crater on the bottom of the nuclear reactor, the blob would have fallen into that crater and the heat would have been concentrated
- That would have allowed this nuclear blob to work it’s way down into the nuclear containment faster
- No one really knows what is really going on underneath that nuclear reactor
- No one can get within 100 feet of the bottom of that nuclear reactor
- Assumption is that the nuclear fuel lying on the floor, has begun to eat away at the containment
- Question is how deep into the concrete it has worked it’s way and has it broken through the steel?
- I do not think it has broken through the steel and I think it is perhaps as much as a foot or two into the 3 feet of concrete
- I do not believe that the nuclear core can melt down through the containment and into the water table
- There have been all sorts of postulations about violent explosions from this
- [Heat] is not great enough to create what is called a steam explosion
- Here is the bad news
- That nuclear core is in direct contact with tons of water
- Containment, while not leaking down, is leaking out the sides
- Literally thousands and thousands of tons of water in other buildings
- Contains radioactive cesium, radioactive strontium, and it also contains nuclear fuel
- There will be uranium in that water and plutonium in that water as well
- We know for sure that that water is leaking into the ground water and into the Pacific Ocean
- It will be 30 years before we capture all that nuclear fuel
- Until then, it will be surrounded with water that is leaking into the groundwater
Fukushima – Could it Have a China Syndrome? from Fairewinds Associates on Vimeo.
There are some experts who have come to different conclusions than Gundersen
- Nuclear specialist: Corium hitting water table is "big concern" -- Once fuel hits groundwater the concern is "it just blows right up" (VIDEO)
- Nuclear Expert: Tepco is admitting they are very close to China Syndrome at Fukushima, where melted fuel penetrates earth (VIDEO)
- Radio: Just a matter of time before molten core reaches groundwater at Fukushima, says architect of Reactor No. 3 (VIDEO)
- "Huge steam explosions" if nuclear fuel hits water... Just a matter of time before corium melts through Fukushima station: Former secretary of UK gov't committee (VIDEO)
- China syndrome inevitable says architect of Fukushima Reactor No. 3 -- Warns of massive hydrovolcanic explosion -- Melted fuel inevitably sank underground
And a few more reports
- Radioactive lava hitting pool of underground water at Chernobyl could have caused 2nd explosion like a "gigantic atomic bomb" -- Major city 320 km away would have been destroyed (VIDEO)
- Japanese professor: Melted fuel has gone through containers and is on concrete foundations sinking into ground below, as far as I can tell -- Underground dam was being prepared, but TEPCO resisting
- Mainichi: "The melted nuclear fuel is sinking toward water under the ground"
- TV: Workers say ground under Fukushima plant is cracking and radioactive steam is coming up -- Melted core may be moving out of building (VIDEO)
- Japan Journalist: Gov't source says "I've heard about the steam coming out from the ground, and I am concerned" -- "Some kind of reaction may be occurring underground" writes plant worker
- Japan nuke expert: Melted fuel rods estimated to be 12 meters underground Reactors No. 1-3 -- To be 100 feet deep in a year (AUDIO)
- "It's Official: Fukushima Was Hit With a Full-Blown Nuclear Meltdown" -- Pool of radioactive lava could be melting its way out
- Reactor No. 1 core had total meltdown and uranium fuel may be outside containment building -- Nuclear reaction could have restarted
- Time.com: China Syndrome "might just have happened at Fukushima" -- Molten fuel may have "melted through everything into the earth"
- Film foretold Fukushima meltdown -- If reactors could not be kept full of water, fuel would eat through container resulting in "China Syndrome" (VIDEO)
- Fukushima plant "seems to be going through a limited version of the China syndrome"
- "It was even worse than the worst imagination of the media" -- Radiation now "leaking through cracks in the containment and melted holes" after total meltdown (CNN VIDEO)
- More serious than a meltdown -- Japan Gov't now raising possibility that fuel had a "melt through" at all 3 reactors
- Gov't report suggests situation "far worse" than meltdown -- It "is the worst possibility in a nuclear accident"
- "Nuclear fuel has melted through base of Fukushima plant" -Telegraph
- Worse than a 'melt through' - a 'melt out'? -- See Graphic
- Report: Undated animation shows Japan gov't nuke experts must have known Fukushima was a melt-through (VIDEO)
- Experts: Melt-through scenario means even higher radiation readings to come -- Likely many more reports of deadly radiation in future
- TEPCO trying to stop 'leaking radioactive material' from reaching water underground -- Barrier may be complete by 2014
- Report: Gov't paper shows melt-out at Fukushima was predicted on day of quake
- Dr. Koide: Massive amounts of radioactivity may again be released from Fukushima -- Mentions "steam explosion" after melted fuel hits water
- Gundersen's Latest: 60 holes in bottom of Fukushima-type reactors make core melt-through easier -- Fuel only had to get through a thin pipe, not inches of steel (VIDEO)
- Yomiuri on China Syndrome: Gov't secretly figured out how far the melted fuel would burn through reactor pedestals -- "Worst-possible scenario"
- Nuclear Expert Discusses 'Melt-Through' at NRC Meeting: I believe melted nuclear core leaked out of Fukushima reactors onto floor (VIDEO)
- NRC Chairman discusses 'Core on the Floor': It's possible that severely damaged melted nuclear fuel has migrated outside reactor vessel (VIDEO)
- Japan lawmaker: Plutonium certainly went deep within basement of Reactor No. 3 -- Anyone’s guess where it's at now
Published: December 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm ET
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Kenny – really – pink undies – is that all you have?
C’mon – we know you spent a good bit of your shilling budget hiring so called experts now, but filling up your shill space with pink underwear insults is pretty lame.
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Yeah really Kenny, no wonder they jump on you like white on rice.
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Or is it strontium on rice?
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Kenny – just a question for you and your crew –
How do you get over the fact that your job is giving children leukemia? I mean I know you that’s your job and you at least try to do it in a professional and intelligent way, but how do you get over the guilt of it all?
When you see those stories about kids having heart attacks and dying do you think “I had a hand in doing that. If I had just told the truth that kid might not have died”. Or do you just put it out of your mind?
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2 Live Crew?
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So watcher you are free to answer the question if you like. How do you think it feels?
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just having some fun with the crazies, i knew he would appreciate the pink undies he is a penn state graduate with a degree in being a fear monger.
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so your on thier side now watcher? did they pay you off? whats going on here?
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I’m on my side, you guys are so wrapped up in making each other look stupid that you slip up and make yourselves look stupid. Just because I am trying to find a way to weather the storm doesn’t make me a shill, folks. This planet is in a serious state of disarray, and we have no time to get our shit together. Your pound of flesh will not yield anything constructive James, now taking some of these people who screwed this thing up, and working for a common cause (saving life on earth?) might actually work. It’s the best we can do. The jobs that I have worked on all had people making mistakes, what was productive was when they coughed to it as soon as they knew, and then we worked as a team to fix the problem. At the end of the project, some great respect was formed for all involved. This is a job gang, lets get to work!
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I agree. What do you suggest?
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Like I said, these guys that screwed up, need to feel that they won’t be lynched, and then get everyone together and use human ingenuity and some fuckin faith and handle this. Cash is irrelevant now, so peoples gots to get their fuckin bank accounts out of their heads and team up and rise above.
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Which guys are those?
You mean the ones who built the plant?
The ones who operated the plant?
The ones who covered up the problem for 9 months?
The Japanese leaders who chose to let the nuclear material loose all over Japan and deny it’s existence?
Or the ones in the USA who suppressed all the media – all the information flow – committed felony after felony on the American people and allowed the Japanese to pollute the earth?
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I’m just wondering which of those groups is going to help us get out of this thing.
I’ll tell you what I think – none of them.
I think we are in a first-time scenario that the industry intentionally said could never happen and intentionally never studied or even allowed anyone to consider.
So I think all those idiots are useless now.
I think the first thing we need is the truth being released – because with the truth, the people will demand that the money be spent to clean this sucker up. And it’s going to take more money than God plus Bill Gates plus Fort Knox has to fix this thing.
And there isn’t going to be any more nuke gravy trains when the truth comes out – but if we do that – maybe – just maybe in 100, 200 or 500 years, the world will be a better place.
I don’t think hiring or harassing nuclear “experts” to lie to the people is going to get it done.
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You’re not capable of picking the right ones? Put together a team of people that you think can. Maybe arnie, chris, I don’t know, send me their names and we can look at them together. I’m sure we can come up with a team, especially if we stay in touch with the big “I Am”.
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I’m all for the truth, and I must say that lots of what i have seen on here is exaggeration. Yeah, they ‘re lying to us, but the fabrications on this site are not contributing to its legitimacy either. Everybody needs to agree: this is bad and we need to bury the hatchet and rise above.
Be the fucking lotus!
Namaste and stuff.
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watcher! Hey! Positive is Good!
I bet you survived the Shackleton expedition,
and shared your meager rations with the weaker guys.
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“I’m sure we can come up with a team,
especially if we stay in touch with the big “I Am”…..”
…
Wow! with that kind of Faith, I’d join up and take what duty I could handle
as part of the Team.
But Now….
have you been watching any Scripture Teachers lately?
The Big “I Am” has given us detailed prophecy.
I admire your Positivity, I don’t even WANT to have to give
the necessary Correction, with your Great attitude.
But Now, like in the Bible, “But Now…” indicates a Change in
status, in God’s Reality, in the Details of our Covenants….
Watcher…
It is NOT in the Cards, not Foretold, Not God’s Plan to
make a miraculous Healing of this Horror.
Jeremiah 9
Go spend time with This Scripture.
“Wormwood” translates to “Chernobyl”…did you know that?
Be Right, Be Correct, in your Understanding of this Divine
Reality. This World is our Testing Ground, Not our HOME.
Thank You Jesus for bringing this Truth to Those that Have Ears.
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Wow – glad you cleared that up.
I was thinking Watcher was talking about Oblama in that statement.
I have to admit, I only graduated 6th grade Sunday School – I’m as clueless on God-fearing as the NRC is on Fuku-exploding.
And I really didn’t understand Watcher’s signoff either although there was one universal word in there…
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Pardon my swearing, I’m working on it.
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Never has the term DEADLINE been more ominous!
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yeah and im not mad at tepco cause im bald like some crazy people but i do admit james2 you are not as crazy as your friend elieen. elieen is a nutjob, what are you 2 gonna say next? the earthquake and tsunami was man made? haarp, global warming maybe? what do you do james? you sell tvs at bestbuy or something? or just comment on the computer in your parents basement all night?
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hey james2 are you gonna sign on as elieen soon and give us something intelligent soon lol
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i got to go to bed i was up at 5:30 im not like james2 i dont get paid by imaginary government rogues. lol I have to work for a living, i will make fun of you later james2. dont watch too much tepco feeds from too close to the screen it may affect your brain. goodnight to all the rational people out there.
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Kenny since you got so much time on your hands
Why do you think Arnie suddenly forgot about the recriticality that he made videos about last summer?
Where do you think that 8 day half-life radioactive iodine keeps coming from?
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400 nuclear power plants worldwide and a bunch nuclear weapons installations having some boom booms?
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Ahh now if we’re going to work together to get this fixed then this isn’t a real good start from my perspective…
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Look, we can work together, but with the passion we have, there will be ups and downs. That passion is what will bring it to fruition?
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I think Arnie has to play both sides, informant and whistle blower. I hold nothing for Arnie but respect for leading, gathering, and informing us of up to date real time circumstances. He was addressing a DIFFERENT audience and he is well into politics of the nuclear industry. I have seen many political/personal battles in the Navy. One must play both sides and he is doing a great job. I see what he’s doing, and I admire his knowledge, his leadership, his political prowess. He’s not going to change because he is in a unique position, you sense that. So his political requirements to satisfy the opposition, and the status que are negate.
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I bet he was pissed, and wish I had his reserve.
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I see what you are saying, and agree. I also think he was giving us some ground for footing. To think that there is no hope, will just breed indecisiveness. Hell maybe the thing will blow up tomorrow, I’m not trying to say that I’m convinced it won’t. I do think that we have a place to start now. It’s not over yet. If everyone can drop their silly positions about not being wrong, or I have to save money, or I might fail, or I’m going to be crucified, we can be making progress. Hell even if it is just a state of mind, it will be helpful. Plunging headlong into despair will take you where you think you are going.
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Thanks Watcher. What ground for footing did you gather? Intellect is what makes us great.
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For me, I was not certain that I could make a decision on where to put my family; the southern hemisphere was looking good. But that was going to be such a setback in terms of being established. I now feel that the whole planet is equally in peril, save for Japan and surrounding neighbourhoods.
So I am making home base where I am most familiar. Just being able to make that decision is a great relief for me. Now I can move ahead and contribute whatever way I feel is best. Right now, that is spouting my mouth off on ENENEWS. I would so like to stop this from consuming us.
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I’m generally agreeing with this point. However covering the problem up doesn’t make it go away.
You can have a great time flying a small plane and fly into a box canyon and you’re dead – and didn’t even know it’s coming – if you didn’t stay out of the situation it doesn’t matter what your skills are.
Liken that to flying into a thunderstorm when you know it’s risky, but there is a possibility of navigating through it – still capable of killing you, but with great skills and great information you get through.
If we are flying into a box canyon – well it really doesn’t matter what we say or do. If we are flying into a nasty thunderstorm, then everyone needs to have the best skills and the best navigation they can get.
If the public is
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Agreed, you however are not in the hot seat. And the turbulence (analogy) and details are not ours but his. Do you trust him? I have no moral or ethical issues with that answer. “YES”. He has been through hell, the nuke industry moped the floor with him, he’s gotten back up, and he has carried on smartly. To what does he have to benefit from his choices, an entire industry that owns the government, to fulfill shoes never filled before. I wouldn’t be so graceful, like I said, his political prowess is negate. I understand his position, and tactics.
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Much bigger than you, me, us, or him. The cascading affects will be evident soon enough. Support him, by choice. That is my personal opinion. Or you can vote for newt gingrich. lower caps intentional. lol
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Newt and Mitt, how’s that for a cartoon?
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ha
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ya if they couldnt cool the reactors off and the places werent so well vented since not many of them have walls or a ceiling anymore then maybe there would of been a much worse case. dont worry ive thought alot about it and i know how dirty nuclear energy is and i also think they should shut every plant down within the next 10 years. but that doesnt mean i think there is gonna be a massive explosion that kills thousands. i hate radiation as much as everyone here and i dont like the government coverups but…. not everything you hear is true, im sorry to burst your bubble although i do think in the next 2-10 years alot more people will get sick. doesnt mean the place is gonna blow off the map. yes more should be done to save people but they do have to want to leave i dont think they should be forced to leave if they want to stay. and yeah alot of people should go to jail over the lies and cover ups but arnie is still smarter then you. sorry i had to burst your bubble. why arent you out posting results from your geiger counter seeing how radioactive the rain is in your area? your not testing anything are you? just trying to scare everyone or sitting hoping for a pretty explosion you can watch a few hundred times? arnie has better knowledge and he is helping people more then you are so what are you bashing him for? why do you think he has to be wrong and the place has to blow up? who are you showing off for? i will debate til 11 then im going to bed but what do u got now?? why not get some documents of arnie taking funds from tepco then you can say he is paid off. so back off and save it go post on a japenese site so people wont read it accidently and get dumber from doing it.
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If you were paying attention Kenny boy, you would know that I have been saying I don’t think it’s going to blow up.
But I also said nobody – not me, not Arnie, not the best nuke engineer knows what’s going to happen next with any certainty – because it’s totally 100% out of control.
If Arnie’s smarter than me, then how did he forget about the 8 day half life Radioactive Iodine that he made videos about last summer?
Maybe Arnie’s smart, but he seems to be getting forgetful…
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It’s the nature of things, I often go back to page 1 and revisit what has been reiterated months prior.
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Well, IF THAT IS THE CASE …
… then the cure is worse then the disease …
… and what needs to be done is obvious.
An international team of top engineers needs to formed.
They will design a plan and containment vessels that will capture and contain the radioactive sludge.
First, they will create a plan to dig beneath the reactor structures and gain access to the base of the reactor from beneath.
Then they will need design an at least 2 inch thick steal funnel that will direct the radioactive sludge to the center of the new containment. The funnel would be equipped with cameras and hydraulic arms with steel paddles at the center of the containment to push the sludge around as needed.
Beneath the center of the containment a steel or iron, whatever is the toughest, integrated with water piping around it for cooling as needed, 4 inch thick large bottles will be supplied to be filled to hold the sludge to enable transport of the waste to a disposal area.
Get GE to build it, post haste, with the help of the Japanese people.
Then install the apparatus and turn cooling from above OFF, suck all that water out to be filtered and frozen solid forever at the South Poll, vent it to depressurize it, and allow the sludge to over heat and burn through into the containment vessels.
Then turn Fukushima into space park for rockets that have engines that use radioactive fuels.
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Or let it continue like it is and pray your freakin ass off! I seem to remember a quote from somewhere: the lord helps those that help themselves. Not sayin I’m a religious fanatic here, but probably the the big “I Am” needs to be in on this project. Letting it burn without trying something seems silly to me.
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well if they had machines to do most of it cause they cant get within 100 feet of it from what i understand. But based on chernobyl they had that reactor encased in concrete within 10 days and had people evacuated fast enough that only the workers and media were exposed to levels that would kill within the first 6 months, but i figured too they should of tried something like that and even if it took 60 days to do the 6 reactors they would of probably been better off. but they didnt handle it well at all. it must of been really hard dealing with the triple disaster earthquake tsunami and nuclear disaster. I couldnt imagine being there in my worst nightmare. But compared to fukushima, russia/ukrain was almost lucky to just have one reactor and only the explosion to deal with.
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i know what its like to tell people about whats going on and they dont wanna hear it, or they never heard of a meltdown not to mention fukushima or they simply dont wanna hear it, i had someone so scared they ran out the room cause they actually couldnt handle the truth. information is power, but if your gonna feed people bullshit then you are defeating the whole purpose of even getting the information. So save your critism of a expert opinon for your opinion on something you couldnt possibly know anyway cause it has never happened. I think most people here trust Arnie more then you anyday of the week.
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well if you didnt notice watcher i was just kidding with ya on the picking sides comment, you have a head on your shoulders and dont believe everything you hear or read. but i understand what your saying and totally agree, and you must agree with me that he has no foot to stand on saying he knows any more then arnie or he has any reason to think arnie is in anyones payroll
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You guys thought Kenny was a shill?
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but anyways i do got to get up for work even though james thinks i dont have to lmao probably will check in tomorrow since there has been lots of news lately even though not all of it is true like walls collapsing and all. i dont regret the pink undies comment cause he deserved it lol have a good one watcher it was nice talking to you anyway
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Rest easy Kenny
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Plan to fix Fukushima:
#1. Stop covering up the truth. I got to work with a great guy one time – he was one of the finest engineers that the world has ever known and we need him on this project. He’s a little tied up right now as the CEO of a major corporation.
But his motto was always “let’s get the bad stuff on the table so we can work on it. hiding stuff does nobody any good”.
#2. Line up the biggest set of resources you ever could imagine.
#3 Minimize the exposure. We have to have warning systems and tell people exactly how to minimize their exposure to radiation. I’ve been following this thing for 9 months – closer than probably anybody outside of this small community on Enews – and I don’t know exactly what the exposure is.
#4 Get people out of the affected area. Stop trying to tell them “it will be OK” Tell them the truth, if they still want to stay, that’s their choice.
#5 Rev up the medical systems – this is wartime – war on a nuclear disaster. Get ready to treat thyroids, blood diseases and everthing else that comes up.
#6. Get a handle on the situation on the ground. Someone may actually have a handle on it, but it sure doesn’t look like it. The fuel has to be contained – not dumped. It cannot go into the ocean – it will kill the ocean. It cannot go into the air – it gets It’s possible it gets buried. You could bury the whole siteunder 500 feet of debris from the abandonded cities and towns nearby. This would likely kill the groundwater in the area, but that’s happening now anyway. The spent fuel must be moved offsite and somebody has to put together a plan to manage all the other nuke plants in Japan – and all that has to be managed for all possible outcomes. It’s a huge multivariant engineering problem.
#7. Watcher, if you are serious and have the means, then I’m available to start working on it immediately – however I am not available to be bought off – it’s not right and I…
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won’t do it…
PS. If you are Arnie, I really hate to drag you through the mud, but I’m a bit of a stickler for sticking to what you know is right.
You can find me…
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I think you’ve nailed it James. I have no cash, if that is what you mean by “means”. I have stated on here before that I was willing to be on the ground over there and help make this happen. I stand by that statement. I have been a tradesman for 37 years, and spent the first 17 years of my life involved in one project after another with my dad. I was welding when I was 10 yrs old. No engineering degrees here, but have certainly shown a couple of them some better ways of doing things. Not to offend or brag. I will go there, but I would want some real input on how this goes down, even with my lack of credentials. i am now into meditation and yoga stuff, and think I can bring the big”I Am” to the table too, at least somewhat. If ENENEWS would be gracious enough to serve as a medium for our exchanges at least until we get this more organised, it would be helpful.
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small correction: trades man for 32 yrs.
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I thought this video was informative, but I have to admit the spaghetti in the pressure cooker analogy didn’t seem very helpful. First, you want the fuel rods to stay straight and solid, while the whole point of boiling the pasta is to make it become limp (so it can be twirled around a fork). Secondly, does anyone actually cook spaghetti inside a pressure cooker? Maybe it’s a Vermont thing.
Sorry to be a caviling critic. In reality, I greatly appreciate all that Mr. Gundersen is doing to get information out about the on-going situation in Japan (and beyond)–I just didn’t find this most recent analogy as helpful as some of his other illustrations.
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Incidentally, I must take this opportunity to assert, wholly irrelevantly, that twirling spaghetti around a fork is a thoroughly inefficient and irrational way to eat it. I’m half Italian, and I cut it up with a knife and fork and shovel it in effortlessly.
Someday the majority of the world will wake up and see it’s folly on this matter too.
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I love pasta, but it goes right to my waste line!
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lol! I break the pasta in half before I plunge it into boiling water.
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Ah, man! this has been fun! Folks, I love life and I want it to last. Please someone with power: lets get this cleared up and re-open the garden of eden. We could have so much fun!? G’nite.
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all data point to on-going critility cycle at Fukushima.
Types of radionuclides detected periodically are effect of criticality. No prove that fission has stopped. On the contrary, the corium is likely to be in a state of self sustained criticality cycling which will never end. Let’s see the data coming periodically, if there are still by-products of fission in the air, Arni has lost his credibility since he declared that it has ended just before TEPCO and the Japanese gouvernemnt are to declare Fukushima cold shutdown success.
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After watching this its not obvious that he’s “gone to the dark side”, but again Tepco is hiding info, so even ‘experts’ don’t have access to what is needed to make accurate predictions to help and protect the public. Its insane that 9 months in we are guessing, wondering and looking to experts to winnow out the facts and whats happening. That Tepco is going to release more radioactive water is infuriating, where is the Japanese government or Korea, or China; I would think they might want to help their fishing from becoming even more polluted, though at this point its seems it is too late and too contaminated.
The possibility of a China syndrome may or may not be a problem still, but the massive release of radioactive water into the Pacific is going kill or render fish and marine life dead and inedible for probably hundreds of years! Thats bad enough! Then you throw in the contamination from the spent fuel pool 3, which blew plutonium all over area & up into the air & jet stream, the most toxic substance in the world and now this is about as horrible as anyone can imagine. If reactors 4 fuel pool blows or collapses which seems possible, then China syndrome or not Japan is inhabitable for a millennium.
Still cant get my head around the lies and the the cover up, how can something like this be ignored by MSM?
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Arnie Gundersen has been a giant-among-men during this crisis. Don’t accuse him of corruption or deception just because you disagree with his statements. By all means, let’s pay attention to the possibility of a recriticality. How about contacting him through Fairewinds to ask him about that, instead of all these foolish attacks.
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Arnie has done a lot of good, but with this single video, he is revealing something strange.
It’s not his opinion that the fuel is cooling and is “less than 1% heat output”. At least it wasn’t when he put out video after video that said the opposite last summer.
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I’m not accusing him…at any point.
He is offering a watered down version of the situation.
His facts ..unworkable.
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..PS..I see a “shill” type attack up above..
..ya got nothin…LOL
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The shills are active right now – the challenge is trying to figure out who’s who. Most of them have multiple log ins – you can track them by their post times, the known themes, and the known methods of supporting and extending there meaningless conversations. They also take on different jobs based on what’s happening on the board. They might try to play good cop bad cop to try and suck someone into their preferred conversation. They might try to praise you in order to get you to give them some information about yourself.
Kenny is a known quantity. He’s one of the ones that went pervert on us last summer when i yanked his chain hard. He was headed there with pink underwear last night. I figured I wouldn’t bother to push him over the edge – but he’s pretty easy to manipulate.
Watcher is a new one. I can’t tell if he/she is the same person or not. I can tell that my writing analysis doesn’t match up with “Canadian ironworker” as an occupation. The swearing and apologizing about it makes me think that he/she might be Kenny, but I’m not sure about that either – could actually be Arnie, and I really ticked him off…
Anyway, I was testing their need to support Arnie Gundersen on this thread, and in my opinion their responses confirm that he’s now working with them, and they are really worried they made a mistake with this video.
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Jimmy, what colour is the sky in your world? I’m not a canadian Ironworker, although I have worked with them on occasion. And thanks for the compliment, not seeming like an ironworker is a victory for sure. I have welded for a long time and don’t like the way it contributes to the toxicity on earth. Now the suggestion that I am Kenny is laughable, as I’m sure Kenny would agree. You were testing shit! You remind me of an addict that is so paranoid, that they have to take empty pop bottles into the closet with them so they have a place to piss, and can stay there longer. I thought you were serious about making a difference, but you got no balls or ovaries.
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Hey! that post was number 222! cool!
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A good comeback would be.”At least I need gatorade bottles and not pop bottles”.
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heck I’m just happy it’s not depends yet.
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Doh, mixed up the ironworker comment. That must have come from Kenny, and I laughed out loud.
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Watcher – you go really “kenny” when you get angry.
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they are as delusional as they are bald. Too bad I don’t care what james opinion is he is a dumbshit who contradicts himself daily and gets all upset over anything, them panties are bunching up again and his bf is not around to pick it for him. He will be going on for weeks now. Go occupy something other then your parents basement angy little bald man
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Kenny, you think I’m bald?
Just because I planted something in your head, doesn’t mean it’s true. It just means I can manipulate you when I want. Have a good day shilling.
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Hi James, actually I couldn’t care less who is, isn’t, might be, would be or could be a shill on this board. I think we all had our struggles with them from time to time – they come and go, and some good people here have been confronted with shill accusations, which is really annoying.
I think you’re doing this in an attempt to “clean the board”, but I think with all your explanations of possible shill behaviour, suggesting who might be paid by the industry, going on and on about possible multiple log-ins, etc. you’re just doing the exact opposite.
I also don’t like the thought of critical minds being attacked at their very first post – we need different voices and thoughts here to get to a fruitful discussion.
My 2 cents.
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fair enough.
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I don’t understand what Arnie was saying. He said that the core on the inside of the containment was cover by water that was cooling it and the water wasn’t boiling so there was available capacity for the water to cool more of the core if need be. He also mentions that there is a lot of water leaking into all of the reactors….My question…What is the capacity of this region of the reactor to contain water, I can only imagine it must be “unfit” for this job…it isn’t a pool…SO they would have to be reintroducing water on a regular basis to replace the leaked water…I have been under the assumption that water spraying has been on reactors 3 and 4 and not since the 7th of Dec. (one week) Does this mean that perhaps they have knowledge that the core has moved out and so it makes no sense to continue pouring water over it??????
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Hi many moons, I think they are still pouring water over the blobs (wherever they might be) and must continue to do so for a very long period of time.
I saw an article recently that mentioned that the storage tanks for the contaminated water will be full in March the latest. Tepco has been deforesting a part of the site to have more storage space.
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3 errors for Gundersen:
(1) Re-criticality: He has himself reported on (a) Iodine readings past May (b) Neutron Beam as well as suggested the possibility of re-criticality several times in the past 9 months. Also, the assumption that criticality stopped in reactor #1 with the insertion of the fuel rods removing 95% of the heat is a fallacy once the fuel pellets melted and left the primary containment (i.e.,, no control rods on the reactor floor).
(2) Water leakage – The precautionary principle would dictate that the researcher first rule out a leakage associated with a breach of the outer containment caused by a melt-through of the concrete (which, how coincidental, would itself be associated with a significant water leak!).
(3) The intervening period between the primary melt-through and now, 9 months later, when the corium is presumably too cool to eat it’s way through concrete and/or the earth. At what point precisely did it become too cool? What of it’s state between meltdown and just prior to that point? Did it do no ‘concrete-eating’ during that time? Corium has no resting period.
What about the reports several months ago from workers describing steam coming from underground and ground ‘heaves’ within areas at the plant? Why was this not addressed, as it sounds like something that could be associated with the fuel having melted into the ground.
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The spaghetti model was in my head too, but just for me it looks a little bit different.( I am no expert and I like models.) My spaghetti are made of plastics, and the pot is made of plastics too. Something else – if the blob is so liquid like to form a pancake, it should melt the pot faster. More realistic is to imagine it as semi fluid plastic blob in contact with plastic pan.
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James2… You are pissing in the wind… At most times – less is better.. [removed by moderator]
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Let’s see – Mindless Hog – check
Background noise – check
Not important – check
“you and your kind” – check
“oink, oink, oink” – check
“won’t be back” – check
Anything about the MOX fuel explosion or the ongoing criticalities or anything else about the nuke disaster or my comments on the nuke disaster to contribute?
Oh, “won’t be back” , I guess not…
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If there really is no hellishly radioactive steam and gas spewing up cracks, and there are no as-good-as-instant-death-guarantee fuel pellets, rod, and ash lying about all over, then maybe:
They could get busy and build a freezewall back of and underneath the reactors, to try to stop groundwater from getting into/under the complex. In America, we have this thing called horizontal drilling, and freezewall technology.
Japan, by the way, has a famous inventor who makes mechanical robots. Sure would have thought that by 9 months after this accident, if electronically controlled robots can’t take the radiation, maybe someone would have thought of contacting this guy and investigating what he might be able to do for them. Some rich criminals probably even prevent that. And of course, it’s probably hard to think when you’ve got radiation sickness.
Further, the fact there has never been even one tiny mention made of using Brown’s Gas flame to eliminate radiactivity, not even to say it was tried and failed, tells me that a) most nuclear engineers have an extremely severe problem with pride b) most owners fear solving the problem because in Brown’s Gas technology is the solution to energy supply problems. They’d rather the world die, than be allowed to use that and other nearly-free energy discoveries and technologies.
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