Gundersen on WHO: I don’t trust their data — Garbage in, garbage out — I suspect hot particles and internal emitters are omitted, and radioactive releases underestimated

Published: November 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm ET


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According to an email from Fairewinds’ chief engineer Arnie Gundersen:

Do you trust the WHO?

I don’t trust this data … my guess is that WHO underestimated the radiological deposition and releases, and thus came up with exposures that are too low. Also, I suspect they have omitted hot particles and internal emitters from their dose assumptions. The same thing happened at TMI.  Bad assumptions create low exposures. GIGO!

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Published: November 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm ET


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31 comments to Gundersen on WHO: I don’t trust their data — Garbage in, garbage out — I suspect hot particles and internal emitters are omitted, and radioactive releases underestimated

  • or-well

    From the Asahi article:
    "Due to uncertainties in determining the effects of radiation exposure, the WHO's predictions were based largely on studies of victims of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in Ukraine in 1986 and the atomic bombings on Japan in 1945."
    Presumably studies done by WHO.

    • Mack Mack

      Exactly, or-well!

      The WHO put the death assessment from Chernobyl radiation exposure at a ridiculously low 4,000!

      From WHO's website:

      "A total of up to 4000 people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded."

      Of course, the book "Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment" concludes that the number is closer to a MILLION.

      • kx kx

        In 50 years they will say no one died from Chernobyl

        • PavewayIII PavewayIII

          Well, which set of conclusions are you going to trust more: those from 'An international team of more than 100 scientists' or those from a bunch of dead people who have still not bothered to publish ANY of their conclusions for scientific review? The dead people are obviously hiding the truth: radiation is perfectly safe. Never trust a dead person.

  • jec jec

    16% increase in leukemia in studies of Chernolby a minimum..And WHO continues to be a "mouthpiece" — does not talk about other health issues affecting health – as in third world counties given immunizations against various diseases. For example, Polio oral live..and can cause polio infections("wild polio?) in others in the family when an infant receives the dose. So..not just radiation coverup.

  • Isn't omitting hot particles and internal emitters from their dose assumptions… criminal?

    It's not just inaccurate or impolite.
    It's skewing the data on purpose for profit!

    Thank you Mr. Gundersen for speaking up.

  • gfv

    Arnie and all,
    This is really so sad.
    Every radioisotope has a signature
    that determines from where it came.
    The causes for Cancer…neoplasms has increased
    steadily for decades.
    So sad… I do all I can to stop this.

    Arnie- your voice is being heard. I am honored to
    hear your voice.

  • I'm surprised W.H.O and Gates aren't touting Flourine waste, Chlorine in the water, and an armful of Mercury to protect against rads…

  • Maggie123

    The politics of WHO in IAEA context is revealed in this (2005?) Swiss investigative documentary of a key meeting to 'define' Chernobyl harm. "Nuclear Truth – Atomic Disaster",

    See also accompanying YouTube text, an excerpt:
    ""Because the IAEA reports directly to the Security Council of the UN, and we all specialized agencies report to the Economic and Development Council. The organization which reports to the Security Council–not hierarchically, we are all equal–but for atomic affairs, military use and civil use, peaceful or civil use they have the authority. They command." -Dr. Hiroshi Nakajima, former head of UN World Health Organization "

    Powerful attempts from WHO to present research met with equally powerful resistance from IAEA – I recommend viewing if you've not seen it! (It's been posted on ENE in the past.)

    Docu says to me that within WHO are individuals who might want to consider resigning and shifting to whistle-blower roles.

    I suspect all controlling agencies from local to global have "inside, hidden, true servants" – but I think it's equally obvious they're unable to be effective from the inside.

    • Maggie123

      "I think it's equally obvious they're unable to be effective from the inside" more accurately put qualified perhaps this:

      I think it's equally obvious when ambitious economic and career stakes are high 'true servants' on the inside are unable to be effective.

    • Centaur Centaur

      Thanks for the great link. That should be watched in all schools.

    • Centaur Centaur

      Actually, the title of the documentary is "Nuclear Controversies" (done 2004).

    • +1

      A very good documentary.

      Recommend to the world and especially to Mr. and Mrs. Obama.

  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    Garbage in, garbage out. Just the way it was intended.

  • I first noticed the magnetic pole shift around 2006, being a pilot and a solar engineer I often took measurements, and for a while nothing was lining up the way it used to, so I tried a few different compasses. I thought it strange, and I thought it stranger that no one was talking about it.

    I wouldn't say this was the "kick off" to my impression that things were getting wacky in the world. Maybe the first was the doubling of property values in less than 2 years that let me get out from an underwater property to a nice profit.

  • Cisco Cisco

    It's almost an embarrassment that Arnie has to respond to the recent article in The Asahi Shimbun about WHO's soon to be released, "move along, there's nothing here for you to see", "don't worry be happy" report on the effects of the second huge irradiation of the Japanese people. No offense to Arnie, this absolutely cruel propaganda must be rebutted, but never the less…it is sickening.

    India, China, and others forge ahead with nuclear. Greed trumps intelligence. Right now, the nuclear power generating industry is on a roll again. Partners IAEC and WHO are shilling for their sponsor, the nuclear industry; and they are working hard to maintain the industry’s cash flow.

    When spent fuel pool #4 at Fukushima Daiichi can no longer be cooled and it catches fire, that will be the end of all humans at the Daiichi site. And, when all the other spent fuel pools can no longer be cooled, they will catch fire too. The ensuing firestorm will release the equivalent radiation of 10,000 Hiroshima bombs.

    The only consolation will be knowing that the bastards whose greed perpetrated this heinous ELE on the world, will not escape. They, their children, and children's children will get sick and die painfully and prematurely, too, from the poison their parents have sowed.

    Japan is gone already, we are next.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    We can only rely on trustworthy sources, and dump the so-called official ones.

  • @ eat,iesndie,

    The whole planet is changing shape with billions of tons of lost ice, leading to changed days for Greenlander's Inuit's measure of Sun, etc..
    I saw something on runway markings having to be changed/re-painted, due to the magnetic shift.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      And the weight of the melted water is causing larger earthquakes.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi anne

        If I have an ice cube and water from a melted a ice cube I believe it's the still the same weight. However, the density has changed. This is why I think eventually coastlines and plates will really be in trouble.

        I also think there will be more earthquakes/volcanoes. Earth is always changing, but it feels like it's changing faster than usual, and not in a good way.

        The axle is off and still on the move, the arctic is melting at a faster rate, and then we have the human stupidity, that is more concern about profits than the environment.

        With all this scenario mixing in together, it doesn't look like a good outcome to me. Can't forget about the solar flares, and so on.

        Wonder if you would have a better chance at being a mole person who lives South of the Equator?

        BTW..Always enjoy your posts and links.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Thank you Mr. Gundersen, I don't trust their data either.

    I think our environment is in a mess, which means eventually we also will be.

    It makes me wonder what this place will be like in the future?

  • CB CB

    Once said hear, "You can deny the reality, but you cannot deny the consequences." Like
    -Effects of Nuclear Radiation on the Human Body…
    -Deformed/Jelly Babies…
    -Radioactive currents radiating Western Shores…
    -Fasciated plants/foods… /
    -Mysterious bruising..
    -Thyroid cysts or nodules…

  • stopnp stopnp

    Because the WHO is gagged by the iaea

  • I like the terminology "hasn't fully served the health needs". Indeed.

    But, I guess this shows that at least someone in the UN hasn't been fully gagged:

    UN says Fukushima nuclear risks underestimated in Japan
    Rights investigator says Japan overemphasized optimistic views of radiation risks
    The Associated Press Posted: Nov 26, 2012 6:43 AM ET Last Updated: Nov 26, 2012 6:36 AM ET

    A United Nations rights investigator says Japan hasn't fully served the health needs of residents and workers affected by the Fukushima nuclear crisis.

    Anand Grover, UN special rapporteur on the right to health, said Monday that Japan has overemphasized optimistic views of radiation risks and conducted limited health checks after a meltdown at the Fukushima nuclear power plant that was caused by an earthquake and tsunami in 2011.

    Many plant workers on short-term contracts have no access to permanent health checks. He also cited residents' complaints about the lack of access to their own health-check results.

    Japan's government has been criticized for coverups and delays in disclosing key radiation information, causing deep-rooted public distrust.

    Grover wrapped up his 11-day survey in Fukushima and other areas.

  • There seem to be multiple instances of health needs not being fully served, leading to possible catastrophic consequences, like this plutonium dumping site the size of Washington, D.C. I guess the UN and the U.S. prefer to wait for the catastrophe to happen first, and then work diligently afterwards to ensure health needs are not fully served – as with Katrina, the Gulf Oil Spill, and many others:

    [not sure if enenews has already covered this story]

    The Bomb Plant: America’s Three A.M. Nightmare
    By Joseph Trento, on November 14th, 2012

    "…there is enough weapons grade plutonium to destroy the world multiple times. Here plutonium in its purest form can be found by the ton."

    • But, for some, I guess their mental health needs ought to be served first. Boggles the mind:

      Rice planting to resume in Fukushima

      The Yomiuri Shimbun/Asia News Network
      Monday, Nov 26, 2012
      JAPAN – The town government of Hirono and the village government of Kawauchi in Fukushima Prefecture have decided to resume planting rice next year.

      Both municipal governments had asked farmers to voluntarily stop planting rice shortly after the crisis at Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant began.

      On Tuesday, the Hirono town government decided to resume rice planting in all areas, and the Kawauchi village government decided to plant rice in areas other than that formerly designated as a no-entry zone.

      It will be the first resumption of rice planting in areas designated as emergency evacuation preparation areas.

      Though many farmers welcomed the decisions, some voiced concern about whether the rice could be sold.