Published: February 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm ET
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Title: Concerns over aging nuclear plants
Source: CNN
Author: Amber Lyon
Date: February 15, 2012
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Published: February 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm ET
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From a friendly Doctor:
Lots more NEWS coming out about the health implications of nuclear reactors:
Did you know of this one? http://berkeleycitizen.org/radiation/baby.htm
problem, strontium should not get out without cladding on rods leaking…..so looking at tritium links. 1 REM=25% increase in leukemia DEATHS.
don't know if I have rat study, but you can get with search bar -last link, think it was just tritium.
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/PHA.asp?docid=37&pg=2
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/oerp/pdfs/RadiatRes167222-232.pdf
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/pha.asp?docid=634&pg=4
mother link to CDC for search bar
http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?queryText=tritium+leukemia&action=search&searchButton.x=39&searchButton.y=11
259 hits for tritium and leukemia
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Hey Capt…this is great news eh? Gundersen on CNN!!
Love seeing you here too!
BTW EVERYONE New Blog Up and Coming (in the works)
http://imaginenomorenuclear.blogspot.com/
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AND DONT FORGET ALL YOU ENENEWSERS
eyeswideopen99999@gmail.com
THE EMAIL ADDRESS TO JOIN WITH US
The Blog is not as important as CONNECTION BETWEEN US ALL
TY TO ALL THAT HAVE WRITTEN TOO
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ATSDR produced a draft Public Health Assessment (May 24, 2002) on the impact of tritium released from LLNL in 1965 and 1970. The report includes discussions of environmental pathways, community health concerns, community exposures, and public health implications. ATSDR’s estimate of the public health impact of tritium released from LLNL is flawed by a biased review of the literature on biological effects of low-level radiation, misinterpretation of epidemiologic principles, omission of information from studies of humans exposed to tritium, and a lack of consideration of important determinants of susceptibility to radiation exposures.
http://www.wslfweb.org/docs/tritiumwing.pdf
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CaptD,
Neither of these pg= links worked, 2 or 4 I got a …
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server
error '80040e14'
Incorrect syntax near ','.
/HAC/pha/PHA.asp, line 27
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For some reason some of the links do not work!
Please try these:
http://is.gd/ld8zTu
http://is.gd/TSlz51
http://is.gd/suE2Cm
Sorry!
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I think you fixed it CaptD. Two 'gov' links didn't work (2nd & 4th), but those other links did the trick.
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Thanks CaptD….The reactors have rust/corrosion cancer as well that merely shows the reactors are suffering too. Three inch bolts regularly corrode down to one inch according to this documentation by the NRC.
It is impossible to know how long the reactors quoted in the link can survive their own nuclearness.
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/gen-letters/1988/gl88005.html
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Great link!
Anyone that has taken advanced course working materials science knows that high temp. + high corrosive environment + high stresses = BIG Problems!
Yet another BIG reason that aged nuclear reactors are far too RISKY
snip
The principal concern is whether
the affected plants continue to meet the requirements of General Design
Criteria 14, 30, and 31 of Appendix A to Title 10 of the Code of Federal
Regulations (CFR) Part 50 when the concentrated boric acid solution or boric
acid crystals, formed by evaporation of water from the leaking reactor
coolant, corrode the reactor coolant pressure boundary. Our concerns
regarding this issue were prompted by incidents in PWR plants where leaking
reactor coolant caused significant corrosion problems. In many of these
cases, although the licensees had detected the existence of leaks, they had
not evaluated their significance relative to the safety of the plant nor had
they promptly taken appropriate corrective actions.
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I truly believe NUCLEAR IS ON THE WAY OUT. Who said it the other day, in 10 years, NPP's will be GONE. It was on Langley's blog, WHICH I can't seem to SEE anymore. (Wrote him)
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Hi Whoopie. I think the 10 year remark was about Japan's nuclear industry, rather than world-wide, and it was just a person's opinion – encouraging, of course, but not a policy change.
There are still strong forces pushing for nuclear, as you know.
To keep you on your toes – how many lies can you find in this recent pro-nuke editorial?
http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/0213-MOX-editorial-column–3781896
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Maybe that's what it was. Wish I could get to Langley's blog then I could post the link. Paul will fix my problem logging in, I HOPE.
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There's a reason to call them "rustbuckets."
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Eh Captain!
You don't need to be a Material Scientist to confirm that high temp, high corrosive environment, and high pressure, are very detrimental to human made equipment.
BUT I am a Material Scientist with a Masters in Science from the University of Michigan, and I can confirm that yes indeed, those factors are destructive.
And for 40 years old plants, they just need to be shut down. You can NEVER "inspect" quality into a machine, and you can never make an old machine safe. I will never fly in a 40 year old airplane.
Shut Them Down
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Left you a message Stock at blog
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stock@hawaii.rr.com
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Yet instead of shutting them down, they are "uprating" the power output in many of them.
What are they thinking?
Never mind . . . I know what they are thinking . . .
$$$
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I suspect that people whose daily reality hinges on the finer points of "General Design Criteria 14, 30, and 31 of Appendix A to Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 50" would be ill equipped to handle a major spill or meltdown.
I can imagine them rushing to a cabinet to check the manual at the first smell of smoke.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/the-unclear-nuclear-reviv_b_1284561.html
The Unclear Nuclear Revival
Trolls need some help in understanding……Hahahaha
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Unclear?
FUKUSHIMA JAPAN
TY for the link!
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Hey Lab Monkey! You have the greatest name! And avatar! Very clever. I appreciate your sense of humor.
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Thanks CaptD….Here is another "snip" from the doc'mnt.
"Recently reported
incidents are listed below.
(1) At Turkey Point Unit 4, leakage of reactor coolant from the lower
instrument tube seal on one of the incore instrument tubes resulted in
corrosion of various components on the reactor vessel head including
three reactor vessel bolts. The maximum depth of corrosion was 0.25
inches. (IE Information Notice No. 86-108, Supplement 1)
(2) At Salem Unit 2, leakage occurred from the seal weld on one of the
instrument penetrations in the reactor vessel head, and the leaking
coolant corroded the head surface. The maximum depth of corrosion was
0.36 inches. (IE Information Notice No. 86-108, Supplement 2)
(3) At San Onofre Unit 2, boric acid solution corroded nearly through the
bolts holding the valve packing follow plate in the shutdown cooling
system isolation valve. During an attempt to operate the valve, the
bolts failed and the valve packing follow plate became dislodged
causing leakage of approximately 18,000 gallons of reactor coolant into
the containment. (IE Information Notice No. 86-108, Supplement 2)
(4) At Arkansas Nuclear One Unit 1, leakage from a high pressure injection
valve dripped onto the high pressure injection nozzle. The maximum
depth of corrosion was 0.5 inches, which represented a 67 percent
penetration of the pressure boundary. (IE Information Notice No.
8803220364
.
-2-
(5) At Fort Calhoun, seven reactor coolant pump studs were reduced by boric
acid corrosion from a nominal 3.5 inches to between 1.0 and 1.5
inches.(IE Information Notice 80-27)" ………..
Rust buckets!!!!
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From the same link:http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/gen-letters/1988/gl88005.html
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We cannot wait 10 years let alone a year. Look at Germany! They closed down all of their
operating nuclear reactors. Still problems with spent fuel storage. But at least they shut theirs
down. I cannot begin to fathom the adjectives appropriate to describe what's going on.
Look at how many centuries it took for people to believe the earth was not flat. I do not
hold out much hope for us. We are all getting internally radiated by doses no one is
measuring and the Fountain of Fukushima is still showering us and the Japanese continue to
burn and burying the nuclear waste. It is enough to drive the sane and awakened
among us stir crazy!
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@Sam: the Germans were better positioned (through long-term investments in renewables) to pull-the-plug on their existing NPPs. They saw the economic benefits to developing solar and wind systems years-ago. They even went crazy and started lining the Autobahn with solar-electric panels. (I love the Germans!) Fukushima became an excuse for what they knew they no longer needed. That's not to say anyone should become complacent about this. There are forces (recent disinformation articles being run in the German press) that claim a dire need for nuclear power in Europe. That's to be expected; that these 'people' will not go quietly into the dark…
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The Two-Headed Monster of Poison Fire
http://www.wslfweb.org/docs/dragon.pdf
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Bobby1, great cartoon, but I think I'd have drawn a hydra!
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The way the NRC refused to talk to that CNN reporter is absolutely OUT-*UCKING-RAGEOUS!!!
I saw that and immediately contacted all of my congresscritters and I hope you'll do the same.
Is the NRC accountable to ANYONE???
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Ssssh! Don't use that "A" word!
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Great job in that CNN interview Arnie…
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Callme_Ish/the-unclear-nuclear-reviv_b_1284561_135589274.html
A wee bit o' Troll Jousting perchance?
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Way to go CNN, Arnie,…and interview girl! Great JOB ALL!
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Yeah that interview girl rocks!
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The NRC has been sleeping in the same bed as the Nuclear facilities, that is why they are hiding ANOTHER CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT AGENCY
MARK
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Nice piece about the aging reactors…no discussion about the current status of Fukushima..
Finger pointing at the NRC..check..
Jaczko blameless….
CNN ..did it's bit…
Move along…. nothing to see here.
Is it really so hard to see that Gundersen..actually undermines my work…?
How are we to show the depth of crisis?
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Heart….
It's a sound-bite, bumper sticker world we live in now. Anything that requires more than 5 minutes of focused thought is out of the question and wouldn't be listened to by anyone. The actual ability to do so has been degraded across the spectrum with the onset of TV, and much more so the younger the viewer, probably from texting/video games/facebook, etc.
I was looking at the statistics on youtube of my Fukushima Dreamin song. The demographics of the views absolutely floored me. It changes a percent or two daily, but it has always been roughly 95% men, 55-65 yrs old. Very few views from folks in their 30's, and these are the ones that NEED to know.
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@PoorDaddy… Right ..and I'm sure that the interview..reached other demographics…
I try to think about this situation…as though I've only heard Mr.Gundersen..
uhhhh..uhhh..Scary..I guess because I know the truth.
Sorry..not good enough….
Also ..perhaps..it's all a tad too late…
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PS…and yaya..it's kind of "insulting" to come here…and listen to resounding reviews about Mr Gundersen…
When…….oh never mind….
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I thought the story was great – we just need 100 of those stories, and then the news needs to extend to the fact that all the others aren't much better than the old design ones.
The end of the clip was brilliantly uncomfortable – Baghdad Bob running from the interview to the safety of the fortress – and the hip young pretty reporter trying to shake his hand….
Isn't the NRC building a Taj Mahal – that's why they don't want to talk. They are riding a huge almost invisible gravy train – they don't want anybody to find out.
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Effective story…for the anti nuke crowd..
Zero effective for the kids of Fukushima.
In the beginning it concerned me greatly that this would become a battle over nuclear power..and not for the children/humans…life forms in general that are in danger NOW.
And this is what it has become…
Reunion concert and all…..
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PS..It leads one to grumble under one's breath…why did I spend all those hours watching the reactors?..and I don't owe this world a damn thing ..sort of stuff..mumble..grumble…LOL
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Heart of the Rose: The old, "don't worry about it!!!!, by the time we are gone it won't matter!!", argument.
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I understand what you are saying Heart of the Rose. It is certainly not enough. but at least it might give the people who positively have to rely on commercial breaks and soap at least some kind of connection no matter how thin.
The idea that the battle would be polarized is nothing new i guess. I would add it might branch out into more than one specialized aspect.
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Or three
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@Spectrometising…many of us feel .that we should turn up the heat somehow.
Mochizuki at Fukushima Diary..is thinking about quitting his blog in favor of facebook..etc.
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/02/website-is-dead/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
My deal is that we have fought too hard for scientific consensus…and cant afford watered down versions.
In doing what we can to save lives…we need to push past the anti nuke debate..
What can we do?
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Hi Heart,
You're right. For me, there has been no better lullaby than Gundersen's at Fukushima, there are "cold pancakes" story. That fuel melted down into separate piles, thus cooling very quickly.
When I am feeling anxious about the aerosolized uranium and plutonium, there is nothing better than a "cold pancake, cold pancake, cold pancake" recitation to soothe me.
Yet, as you have revealed on the webcam thread, there are no cold pancakes at Fukushima. Gundersen has yet to revise this analogy as far as I know. The "cold pancake" image suggests that Fukushima is over, "cold shutdown" is reasonable, that what we are dealing with is a HISTORICAL problem.
The "cold pancake" analogy suggests that it is "bygones" at Fukushima, let's move on to the Vermont Yankee, the plant near Gundersen's house. If he lived near Fukushima, would he claim that there are "cold pancakes" at Fukushima?
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Heart,
Very good point. While the attention of enenewsers and the anti-nuke crowd in general is drawn by a long-term, probably unwinnable political battle (unwinnable short of global economic and political collapse), the children of Fukushima, the rest of Japan, the northern hemisphere, and the entire planet are suffering, or will suffer. They're carrying signs "hooray for our side" while feeding their kids radioactive food.
All I've wanted to do is inform people that are interested. It's a small victory when people realize the danger and change their diets and lifestyles in order to avoid radioactive contamination.
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Right on Boddy 1. I agree with your perspective. I do not know what more, I, any of us, could do, could have done. Perhaps I could have devoted all my working hours all my life to this. I only gave about 15 years to working without pay so not to pay taxes to the M-NIC. But I refuse to feel guilty over this. I have done what I could. But I won't condemn myself by feeling guilty, by feeling that I haven't done enough to change things.
At 79, and as a practicing Tibetan Buddhist, I have given a lot of thought to death. Individuals die, and species die. Extinction is an end which I feel is as necessary to accept as is my individual death — even while I do all I can to heal the planet, our life form. In the meantime, whether it be just my individual death or species extinction, I find what joy I might, even in our frighteningly abnormal spring which just reflects the damage we have done.
Blessings to both of you, Heart and Bobby1.
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re: "Effective story…for the anti nuke crowd.. Zero effective for the kids of Fukushima."
But if stories like this can get the aging and poorly maintained Vermont Yankee plant shut down, it may make a big difference for kids in Vermont–a Fukushima can happen anywhere, and there are kids everywhere. There are numerous facets to the nuclear issue, and every single story cannot address all of them. The assault on children's health is undeniably important–but it's no less important that we prevent our own aging Fuku-style reactors from being allowed to operate until they melt-down and poison the thyroids of our own children someday.
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that should say "The assault on children's health in Fukushima …"
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Bincom, you ask if the NRC is accountable to us, the commoners who pay THEIR salaries out of OUR hard earned tax dollars? Silly you. The govt. and PTB are never, I repeat NEVER accountable to us tax slaves. We are totally accountable to our Govt. and beaurcratic masters. Don't believe me? Just short change Uncle SAM a few dollars on your tax return this year and watch what happens. If it was up to me, ALL these fat cat govt. beauracrats would be paid minimum wage, with NO benefits.
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sheesh, even worse….put them to work producing something of value!
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Ooh, there goes another one of us using that "A" word again! Careful!
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They don't care, even years ago they realized they should have never licensed the dam thing and they still rubber stamp and license extensions on them !
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Well said
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Dear Friends,
Today, NIRS and 37 other organizations submitted a formal Petition for Rulemaking to the NRC to expand emergency evacuation zones around U.S. nuclear reactors and make other improvements in emergency preparedness. We're calling this the Nuclear 911 campaign.
Link to petition here:
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"CNN’s carefully timed attack on nuclear energy and NRC credibility"
"Last night, CNN Presents aired a completely one sided and inaccurate portrayal of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant. It extensively quoted both Arnie Gundersen and Bernie Sanders and included a staged interview that made the Nuclear Regulatory Commission look both incompetent and unresponsive." [...]
"Since that expensive industrial accident [Three Mile Island] – which only damaged a small portion of the internals of an industrial facility and did not hurt a single person – the effort to discourage the use of nuclear energy made the letters “TMI” one of the most frequently repeated acronyms in the United States. That happened decades before someone decided that they can also mean “too much information.”
"Yes Vermont Yankee published an excellent warning about the upcoming CNN segment titled:
CNN Hatchet Job About Vermont Yankee
NEI Nuclear Notes also recognized the threat and published a series of advanced warning articles:
A Preview of CNN’s Report on Vermont Yankee
Some Facts on Vermont Yankee That Didn’t Make the CNN Report
How Safe is Vermont Yankee? Ask the NRC, Not CNN.
http://atomicinsights.com/2012/02/cnns-carefully-timed-attack-on-nuclear-energy-and-nrc-credibility.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AtomicInsights+%28Atomic+Insights%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
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