Host: Fukushima may be one of biggest events to ever affect us in modern times — Gundersen: It should be ‘Level 8’ on INES scale (AUDIO)

Published: January 10th, 2014 at 2:29 pm ET


Nuclear Issues & Fukushima, Coast to Coast AM (#1 program in time slot with audience of 3 million), Jan. 6, 2014:

At 39:00 in

George Noory, host: Probably one of the biggest stories that’s ever affected us personally in modern times — that’s the Fukushima disaster. How is it affecting us? Whats really going on?

At 1:33:00 in

Nuclear expert Arnie Gundersen of Fairewinds Energy Education: So we’ve got groundwater in direct contact with this hot radioactive fuel, then seeping out and going back into the earth’s crust and into all the other buildings on the site. So that makes Fukushima Daiichi an incredibly more difficult problem to clean up than even Chernobyl. […]

Noory: Would you say that this is as bad as Chernobyl?

Gundersen: Oh sure this is – Chernobyl was a single reactor meltdown and here we’ve got 3 reactor meltdowns. Scott Portzline [the previous guest] has said for a long time, and I agree with him, that really this should have been a level 8 — the scale stops at 7. We almost had 14 nuclear meltdowns, not 3.

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Published: January 10th, 2014 at 2:29 pm ET


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212 comments to Host: Fukushima may be one of biggest events to ever affect us in modern times — Gundersen: It should be ‘Level 8’ on INES scale (AUDIO)

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "So we’ve got groundwater in direct contact with this hot radioactive fuel, then seeping out and going back into the earth’s crust and into all the other buildings on the site."

    Seeping in then back out….?????

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      You are rigrht, Rose. Arnie can't quite bring himself to believe that the corium from Fukushima Diiachi 1-3 is lost forever in the earth. So he makes up these little stories for himself.

      I didn't believe at the beginning of all this that Fukushima was going to be the biggest story of the 21st century, but it is.
      I saw Reactor 1 blow up, and said to myself, "Hummm."
      Then I saw Reactor 3, with it's plutonium fuel, blow up on 3/14/2011, and said to myself: "This event has ended nuclear power on planet Earth."
      It doesn't matter how much the nuclear industry spends on PR, there is simply no way back from the mushroom cloud that everyone on Earth saw during the explosion at Reactor3, FDNPP, on 3/14/2011, the date of the end of nuclear power on Planet Earth.


      • Ontological Ontological

        AG would love to believe that the "American containment" for reactors was the best most invincible everlasting foundation of all firmaments. Apparently perhaps had forgotten about RocketDyne.
        Well AG promoting evil corporations in any way will get you burned…GEE EEE we bring an end to life".

        • We Not They Finally

          Onto-, AG doesn't believe that anymore. His disillusionment came with TMI, being told lies himself that he then passed on to the public.

          RocketDyne was all the way back in 1959 and it was SHAMEFUL that it was never publicized. But I don't think, have never thought that Gundersen is "promoting evil corporations." He's actually gone against anything he was ever taught when first working in this field.

          It's helpful to realize that there are precious few honest scientists out there any more who have any public voice. People just want Gundersen to go FASTER, that's all. But his honesty and his commitment? — I don't think that's an issue at all. It's good that he's here.

    • Questionit

      Question is why have they gotten Arnie to change his story a little and why are they having him emphasize there is a minimal amount of groundwater contact?

      At the beginning of November Gundersen stated that Fuku was "on par with Chernobyl" and just a few months later he claims it is obvious it's much worse. Anyone with any honesty and interest has known it is much worse for years.

      They want him to put out a story that they can use to explain the higher radiation flows into the ocean that will be found soon by activist. As shown by a study by German scientists of what to expect if a melt through reached groundwater – massively high concentrations have now started to exit into the ocean below ground and unseen from what is basically a slow moving underwater river. Others will laugh at their claims that minor contact from seepage into the basement of the buildings could account for the evidence found in the ocean but they will stick to that story as long as possible.

      The German study indicates the concentrations in the groundwater flow will not decrease for 150 plus years.

      Next they will have Arnie campaign for US dollars to pay for the "clean up". If they get it this money will go to the same nuc industry companies who will then hide the truth further, do little actual effective work and rake in huge profits. All while issuing PR stories to placate the masses who start to notice the death of the ocean and cancers in the people.

      • Simple…NSA drops some porn into your computer, then visits and says here is a warrant, we can find that porn and you spend the rest of your life in jail….or here is the new "believable" story that you are to tell…..

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Then he should quit.. rather than tell half truths..
          Half truths aren't worth it.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            If that occurred (a set up as stock said) , do you think he would have the choice to quit? Or if he did speak out, maybe they would just "Hastings" him.

            • We Not They Finally

              Gundersen isn't "a set-up." My God, if you really want to be paranoid, I'll give you a whole list of more likely targets! He's a genuine whistle-blower. You just want him to go FASTER. But there has already been much progress there. And he welcomes other whistleblowers — like being in touch with upset Japanese M.D.'s. That's a service. Leave him be.

              • rogerthat

                Agree. Leave Arnie be. He's done more for the anti-nuclear cause than anyone on the planet, and he's still out there at bat long after sensible people of his age have said bugger it, life's short, i'm going to new zealand where the water is still clean and i can eat the fish i catch.
                People want him to say more, but there's no need. Common sense is all anyone needs to understand what's under way. Use your imagination. Extrapolate. All you have to remember is that there is no safe level of radiation above zero. No safe level. It bioaccumulates, which means that the more you eat, the more you got. The more you breathe in, the more you got. The more you got, the less you live. And it's like the good old Terminator. It never stops, it never gives up, it will get you in the end. And even if by some lucky chance, ha ha, you die of something else, when you are cremated all those joyous little nano particles are liberated anew, roaming the air looking for a new happy host to kill. Oh joy, oh bliss.

              • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

                wntf & rogerthat…It was not Arnie that is a "set up"… we were hypothetically discussing why more people do not come out and tell the truth because of what happens to them.

                If you look at my posts, the last two days I have posted several videos supporting Arnie.

                But, to be honest I am skeptical of everyone, and everything.


          • GOM GOM

            GOM/2010/BP disaster. Matt Simmons, RIP….

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              @GOM…yes Matt Simmons spoke out a little too loudly, and had too much expertise to be able to deny what he was saying. Like Phillip Marshall…rip

            • We Not They Finally

              GOM, we were very upset about Matt Simmons. We saw what may have been his last public appearance, on "The Dylan Ratigan Show." He was asked point blank, why won't BP tell the truth that they drilled a hole into the seabed and oil is still gushing? And Simmons said, "Because they would lose their fortunes and go to jail." But his voice was quavering. Maybe he knew what would happen to him. God bless that man. A true hero.

          • We Not They Finally

            HofR, you're too hard on the guy. Let him evolve. He's getting there. He's NOT dishonest, He's just tied to being a scientist. But he KEEPS LOOKING. And when you see that HE is convinced, you can bank on it, because he is naturally cautious.

            • GeorgeK

              Fuku had 6 reactors. Chernobyl had ONE- which was a quarter the size of Fuku reactor #1 (the smallest of the 6 at Fuku)- according to nuke experts. Arnie surely knew this.
              TPTB always sets up controlled opposition IMMEDIATELY to forestall deeper investigation and dissent.

              That is Arnie's role. Like a credible A Jones, for his respective area replaced the real deal- uncontrollable Bill Cooper. 311 hasnt had its Truthers like 911 did- and should have. The FOIA docs released by Chris Harris should be on every website in this land. They're not even given proper coverage here. Arnie softpedals, thats the truth- whatever his reasons are, its his conscience.

        • Questionit

          Those who think the NSA does not have the backdoor access capability through your computer or software to do just that are fooling themselves.
          And that is what they do when they are being nice (or you are useful).

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            @questionit…very true….and there are things that would make some people curl up in a fetal position never to move if they knew the truth about what really goes on in the world. DARPA is a good example…they don't have to even make physical contact.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        But of course ..the purpose of ..'approved opposition'.
        Rather like a 'confidence man'.

      • We Not They Finally

        QuestionIt, your cynicism about Arnie Gundersen is misplaced. Sometimes people wind up in scientific fields because they ARE cautious. They may not be the most emotional or intuitive of humans, but they do want to measure and assess before venturing out.

        So his assessment changed from November until now? Of course it did! Also more things have happened massively (like whole species dying off in the Pacific) and more measurements kept being made.

        I mean, look at Chris Busby. He's the most honest guy there is, with a decades' long record of anti-nuke commitment. But until recently, he couldn't see how thousands of continguous miles of ocean could be contaminated straight-line from Fukushima to the West Coast of the U.S

        But he kept looking. And by the time he saw the data on all the dead marine life on the ocean floor, he realized that he had way under-estimated the FOOD CHAIN contamination and the BIO-ACCUMULATION contamination.

        So he revised. Now, just recently, Busby said that what he was seeing was "truly terrifying" ecologically. Because he's a scientist and he finally felt he could go with what he SEES.

        It's similar with Arnie Gundersen. Don't attack the guy. Let him evolve. He's getting there.

        • We Not They Finally

          Same message to HofR.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Gundersen is not a participant in the small but growing number of scientists ..that are truly questioning the location and condition of the corium..
          THIS TINY LITTLE DETAIL is what separates and defines my opinion of Mr. Gundersen…and whether or not I'm in worthy scientific company.

          Here is the in-house search: Corium

          "So we’ve got groundwater in direct contact with this hot radioactive fuel, then seeping out and going back into the earth’s crust and into all the other buildings on the site."

          This is an unacceptable statement.

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            PS..But this is part of the game isn't it..
            A couple of different opinions..and then a pep rally for Arnie..
            How many times must we do this..?
            Can't we just leave the opinions of others..alone..and at face value..
            Let's let the readers decide.

          • gottagetoffthegrid

            Heart of the rose,
            The quote is correct regardless of the location of the corium. If the ground water is flowing into and out of the substructure then the substructure is below the water table and shows the transmusivity of the cracked basement is more or less equal to the soil. That means the structure would not slow the radiation infiltration into the soil and ocean.

            However, add to that the hundreds of tons of water being pumped in, I think that if the corium is still in the basement the amount of radiation released could be greater than if it were in the ground due to the increased surface area in direct contact with moving water plus the water in the basement would be turbulent as opposed to laminar in the soil.

            In short I think a gelled corium in a flooded basement is a worse case than one in the soil in the short term, but easier to deal with in the long term.

            Sigh. I'll have another glass of 2010 Lodi Zinfandel.

          • zogerke zogerke

            heart, i'm asking to understand, pardon if i'm being dense, no irony, for real::
            AG sez:"So we’ve got groundwater in direct contact with this hot radioactive fuel, then seeping out and going back into the earth’s crust and into all the other buildings on the site."

            its not saying where the corium is. it is saying that- where ever it is, its in the path of the groundwater flow. and it gets all over. how come this is wrong or misleading or incorrect or anything? z

            • Questionit

              Gundersen has said the groundwater is contacting corium by leaking into the building through cracks and then leaking out. He has been clear that the corium is still in the building.
              He is wrong and is minimizing what is actually happening.

        • GeorgeK

          Rubbish. If WE had those docs and considered them yrs ago- so did they. This is the biggest story on the planet and those who responsible will do ANYTHING to stifle it. If Busby didnt think of some of these very basic variables to the Fuku disaster? How smart is he, really? C'mon folks. Dont poo poo legit skeptism as being "mean, negative or ungrateful" etc. We've got 5 billion people at stake with all options on the table.

      • We Not They Finally

        QuestionIt, is there a link to the German study? Very glad it was done and want to check it out.

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Makes sense to me and why are folks so upset with AG he seems to be telling it like it is and far from downplaying? In fact could someone explain their reasons for this train of thought as I think he's really sticking his neck out much more then Ken B a guy that truly downplays this tragedy. IMHO

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Not all are upset with Arnie.
        There is no inter-personal inactions going on.. to base being 'upset'.
        What is being displayed is and was..(3 years out now) ..a heated 'disagreement' on a scientific level.
        Gundersen…continues to be vague as to the condition and whereabouts of the corium…and as I mentioned earlier…a small group of scientists are keenly interested.
        So..we aren't even playing in the same ball many ways.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    This has to mark the end of nuclear . . .

    Time to start plans to decommission every nuclear plant on earth

    Otherwise "we'll lose the earth".

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    man o man..and he gets paid for this?

    • We Not They Finally

      Don't be so upset. George Noory has a big audience and OF COURSE he should have been on base sooner. But every step ahead is a step ahead.

      Gundersen is just cautious, but that's loosening up. Look, Chris Busby is cautious too. He didn't want to say that thousands of miles of ocean were contiguously contaminated until it reached the West Coast of the U.S. But then he saw the data on all the dead marine life, and realized that he had under-estimated the FOOD CHAIN contamination and the BIO-ACCUMULATION contamination — both its amount and its rate. So now, just recently, he called it "truly terrifying."

      We still need honest scientists — that's become a rare breed! Any interview in the right direction is still an interview in the right direction.

  • Canuck1

    The sad part about all this is that they keep hashing the same junk over and over again.. INSTEAD OF SOMEONE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

    • We Not They Finally

      Every day they originally waited, made the next day all the more unlikely to "fix" it. Now no one thinks that it can be "fixed" — the best we can hope for is mitigation, and that hope may be dwindling too.

      So your upset is WAY understandable, but your efforts might be better spent in educating all the people out there who seem to understand NOTHING.

  • waterborn

    "Cheer up" they said "things could be worse".
    So they cheered up and sure enough, things got worse.

  • Cindy Cindy

    Can someone help me with a question? OK.. the other day, Gasser was talking about the decline of coqui frogs near his home in Hawaii. I responded and asked a question. A couple of days go by and I wanted to see if he responded to the question, and by gosh..I can't find the post. The topics move freakin fast on this site..and if I don't log on a couple of times a day.. I miss out!
    How in the heck can I find a post that I posted?
    I tried the google function and the search function on ENENEWS..but to no avail..does anyone else have this problem? Can anyone help me? LOL! Thanks all!

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      When you have a specific question you want answered bookmark the page in a folder marked Massive Radiation Contamination or ELE Event or Dumb Science etc. Then you can simply at any time go to the page for your response from your folder. OR note the headline on a piece of paper then ater go to main page looking for the headline article to open for your response.

      Mr. Jumbles does not allow search, yet.. 🙁

    • artika rama

      cindy I have that poblem too . Sometimes i even get lost on the same day between threads and people think i am ignoring them , or dont want to answer while infact i just cant get back to foollow it .
      In the worse case what i do is , i go to comments archive ; Thats on the right handd side , when you see the list of recent coomments , (typed in thick blue ink ) just underneath the last message there is a little text "comments archive" ; click on it and you can see the latest coments in chronological order,, scroll all the way down , click the blue >>>> sign and you go to earlier and earlier comments ,, and if you rmemeber the day , and even better the time you posted your copmment try to go to that date and try to find your name ,,
      Thats the only way know .

      • Sickputer

        If you need to search for a post, use Google and set the options to the shortest time frame you expect it to be found (last 24 hours…1 week….1 month…1 year.. Anytime, or a custom range).

        For search terms use the name of poster and add enenews plus a key word if you like (corium, eagles, etc…).

        Google sends out spider bots constantly to gather links. Your posts 16 hours earlier should show in the one day.

        The Enenews search box has never given satisfactory results for me.

        I taught Internet and computer skills from 1990 to 2012 to adults and school age children (kindergarten to post grad).

    • Gasser Gasser

      I did to JoyB, yes there back at full volume, apparently the colder nights had them huddling around a hot Plutonium particle to get warmed up and toast Cesium marinated Mosquitos

      • Cindy Cindy

        LOL! Thanks Everyone! I'll print these "options" out and see which ones work best for me! Gasser! I appreciate you not making me go back and "hunt" for the question! So..those little suckers must be pretty resilient…don't'cha think? 😉

        • artika rama

          cindy LOL its funny me giving advice to you about how to use this site ,, i just apologised to markm that i lost his messaege and that i couldnt answer him lol ,:)), so you got advice from the experts 🙂

    • Pete

      I have had this issue as well, I am not sure if comments are being lost due to overload or deleted by someone other than the admin, but I have begun making a bookmark for any pages that I comment in order to track them, I havent lost any of those yet but there are comments I have made previously that I cannot find.

      I was able to find yours however, it is halfway down this page.

      If you go to google and put in Cindy

      It will only return query results from that have Cindy…

      then in the results click "Search Tools" and "Any Time"…

      change that to "Past 24 Hours" or "Past Week" to narrow down time frame as I find the hourly rarely finds results.

      • Cindy Cindy

        Yah.. I tried that…both in ENENEWS search engine and the google one on this site. It didn't work. But..the options the other ene-news'ers gave me…worked Great! Thanks!

        • Pete

          No, not the google link on the page, that doesnt find comments.

          go to and use the


          to find all posts from or including Cindy.

          I hope he (whoops I guess thats a sexist assumption) Doesnt use Disqus, disqus is very insecure IMO and too many people have access to disqus users comments and the disqus API.

  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

    So technically Arnie is saying, it's off the scale. So why isn't this headline news? Fukushima No.1 man-made disaster is off the scale! Reminds me of the all the toxic ex-tank farm land in California. New houses are built on this land with levels of benzene, toluene, etc. so high they're off the scale. And they build homes on these killing fields! But what I find most interesting is, officials shrug their shoulders because there's no instructions on what to do when levels are this high.
    Here's one example of many:

    • name999 name999

      the responsibility of the developer to clean up the site…yeah sure. Love Canal, which was championed by Lois Gibbs was supposedly cleaned up. Thats right, all safe "they" said. Built more
      housing projects again where many people, children, live. Getting sick again and back in the news.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    What is strange is that A. Gundersen had a video in April of 2011 stating the Japanese government, and the world declared Fuku had reached Chernobyl level of 7.

    Then when it started to effect exports, they dialed the number back to a 3. Now they are saying it is an 8. When it actually is most likely off the scale that was created, because there has never been an incident like this in history.

    Smoke and mirrors is the rule with the Nuclear Cartel, not the exception.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Maybe if everyone quit buying Sony products, Toyotas, and Hondas, they might try to fix the problem. Obviously, no one cares that we are all complaining in a chat room. The only thing governments/corporations/cartels understand is the bottom line. If we vote with our pocketbook we may actually get some response.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      @newsblackoutUSA: "The only thing governments/corporations/cartels understand is the bottom line" This is no longer correct. I and I'm sure others agree with Alan Greenspan (former Fed. Chairman) when he said before congress that he made a fundamental ideological mistake over 40 years by expecting people to do what is in the best interest of their customers and investors so they profit. He said he was wrong. Google Alan Greenspan fundamental flaw. Something I've experienced personally.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        @sykewar…I know you are correct…I see it everyday. The way people treat one another, and the glorification of violence, zombies, and materialism shows the decay and breakdown of all systems of society.

        Other than that; everything is great… 😉

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          And when you bail out these companies and use the NSA to steal foreign corporate data (fact) to sell to these companies (one of many ways they make their money), manipulate the stock market, etc. you re-enforce this destructive psychotic behavior.

    • retali8 retali8

      How was your new radioactive ride anyway? Fresh out of Japan with all the latest gadgets, little did you know your own car was frying you daily anyway….

    • GeorgeK

      then i suggest you also boycott GE, Mark 1 manufacturer- and the IRS. all helped with the startup funding in 'atoms for peace'

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    As if.. numerical designations have meaning to the general populace.

  • Sam Sam

    The ongoing cover up for me is a 1O.
    Fish start rotting from the head down.
    Remember Obama saying nothing to
    worry about and then flying off to
    Brazil within days of the disaster.
    Now Japan passing the secrecy laws.
    Will we see even more repressive
    measures here to continue the

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes! We "will" see even more repressive
    measures here to continue the
    cover-up.. 🙁

  • dka

    Three Miles Island was a partial meltdown.
    And it had terrible consequences on the population.
    Fukushima site 1, Reactor 5 and 6 had partial meltdown (if you believe TEPCO that these were only partial).

  • Cindy Cindy

    Mike Adams has JUST released his new project that he's been working on for a couple of years. "As Fukushima Radiation makes Landfall on the California Beaches,Natural News begins testing Food for Radioactive Cesium-137 and other heavy metals"
    He's taking NO money from the Government, Scientists or Alphabet Agencies. He's doing this on his OWN with his OWN money!

  • AllenH AllenH

    Level 8 ? Well if level 7 is ten times worse than level 6, that would make level 8 ten times worse than level 7, but seems as they really don't know what's going on under these building, and they are only theorizing, hiding or are too damn scared to tell the truth, I really think it should be totally off the damn chart.
    Lets wait 6 months and see. Although they will get nothing done in this time, they just to busy counting bananas and going through the dictionary looking for new words.

  • Stupidbutnotbumb

    Folks the corium. OPPS .. Coriums are now below the ground water level. The ground water is going through contaminated earth directly into the ocean. Soon they'll say the radaition levels in the water is going down but so are the coriums. The first to hit magma will be three… BOOM… Game over..

    • Ontological Ontological

      There is a column of black smoke from a bottomless pit, that reddens the moon, and blots out the Sun mentioned, on stone tablets about our end time. Perhaps after the clouds of Bucky balls are done, the magma/ash/smoke from the "bottomless pit" choke what is left of the oxygen off for 5 million years or so. Back to cave days? Nope. 250 million years ago is when this kind of potential oxygen robbing re-happening today occurred.

    • name999 name999

      can the coriums hit magma? really wondering, can that happen?

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        I'd be more concerned that it hit the frozen methane hydrate if the plant happens to sit over a layer. Then I imagine you'd see something interesting.

        • name999 name999

          well, I am just wondering how far these coriums travel into the belly of the earth. I saw 22,000 degrees of heat or something like that? Its hard to understand what that does to the earth beneath it.

          What is frozen methane hydrate…does that explode?

          • Ontological Ontological

            If the methane hydrate is disturbed it boils many of the 10 kilometer depth EQ's may be this layer "adjusting" from disruption. It is basically "cooking gas". They sell it under a more typically known substance. "natural has".

          • GeorgeK

            China Syndrome. Some maps have the coriums exiting out the other side off the coast of Brazil/Argentina at the antipode.

            • artika rama

              georgek I dont think that is possible george . I think its a myth that coriums (or anything ) would come out somewhere around argentina or something . Theoretically coriums would go down towards the center of the world but once the are in the center there is nothing to push them AGAINST gravity UP towards argentina . The gravity pulls everything towards the CENETR of the world . Once you reach the center , the second part of the journey would be working AGAINSTt gravity and there is nothing to PUSH those coriums up towards the surface again .
              I dont even think they will reach the center of the world. As they go down they pick up material they will mix with lots of debri , rocks soil , they will stick to other STUFF and loose there mass and somewehere along the way they will be so DILUTED (is not the correct word i know ) or contaminated with debri that they will not have the PUNCH anymore to contiune . Just my opinion , i am NOT an expert . There are much better knowlegable people here at enenews who can explain it better .
              In short , anything droppig towards the center of the world will have to work AGAINST gravity to go UP to the other side and will need a power source to PUSH it . In this case , its not possible i think .

            • artika rama

              georgek Every disinfo . misinfo produced deliberately or not deliberately can be debunked in the end and cause damage to the whole antinuke movement . So pronuke is producing lots of LIES which can be debunked in the end so that the antinuke movemenet will loose its credibility .
              As an ecxmple ; SOmeone was trying to show how the isotopes would spread in the ocean and he used the WRONG map ,( which was actually a map of the tsunami waves instead of radiation spreading in pacific ) ; as a result of that mistake the whole antinuke activists are ridiculed as idiots who dont know what they are talking about . It can be intentional or just a mistake but in the end it is damaging to the whole antinuke movemenet IMO .
              Examples of this kind of misinfo : TEPCO caused the typhoon HAIYAN , everybody in US will die in so many months , etc
              These are deliberately produced lies to discredit , ridicule the antinuke movement and create an image of us as idiots who dont know what they are talking about .
              Shills work in mysterious ways .

  • Wardy

    Do You peeps think Keshe technology will be applied and clean up this mess?

    • Ontological Ontological

      During the beginning of this crisis there was a ion wind craft in some German news footage, perhaps they already have.

      • Ontological Ontological

        Quantum Entanglement is a phenomenon in physics where two or more particles such as photons, electrons, atoms or molecules interact physically in a common system and then separate. Even though their separation might expand to a huge distance, they will always remain deeply and fundamentally connected as if they are still together in that original system. They can communicate instantly across distances that, in human terms, should take thousands, even millions of years. Note that instant communication is infinitely faster than the speed of light.
        The mathematics behind quantum physics, discovered in the early 20th Century, predicted that entanglement was a fundamental characteristic of our universe. It is the story of locality. Way back then the burgeoning theory of quantum physics told us that we live in a non-local universe, meaning that things that occur at a distance (measured in both time and space dimensions) can effect us here and now without regard to their apparent separation. The suggestion is that separation might not really exist. If the phenomenon of entanglement could be proven, the spiritual concept of the universal Oneness of all things could also be proven.
        At first glance, entanglement appeared to be at odds with Einstein’s theory of special relativity, which said that no signal could exceed the speed of light.

        • Ontological Ontological

          Since entanglement was a central principle of quantum theory that appeared to violate his theory, Einstein thought quantum mechanics had to be wrong. He spent the second half of his life trying to disprove it. He utterly failed. Long after his death, sophisticated experiments have proven unequivocally that entanglement is indeed real. We do live in a non-local universe where Oneness rules. That fact leaves the appearance of separation we experience by way of our senses a kind of illusion.

      • Ontological Ontological

        Great question btw @Wardy open minds are always welcome at ENENEWS.

    • Pete

      I looked into their ideas but it just looks like BS to me, like Browns gas magically converting radiation… meh, maybe but I dont think so, Im pretty skeptical.

      There is not going to be any cleanup, Obama's only goal is to make it thru the next 5 years without fuku blowing up in his face, that's why the first people we sent were USAID… control the PR, the science will come later.

      Besides the longer they wait, the more people will inhale those microscopic amounts of plutonium and cerium and neptunium, and Boom Snap…. Naturally Remediated. Plus there is no real cleanup for tritium, and probably others, on the Dont talk About list.

      Seems like they could just make a Panel that absorbed radiation and just made electricity. Call me crazy.

    • artika rama

      wardy Let s assume that it works , someone has managed to DE_RADIOACTIVATE a particel . Lets assume they built a machine that can be used in a setting that when you put radioactive material in it and bombard it with some other particles it can decrease its radioactivity . And let just forget about how much energy it will cost and all that.
      The questiion is HOW can anyone collect all the radioactive isotopes , spreading all over the world and bring them all to that machine to deactivate them .
      We are talking about microscopic particles even at nuclear level . Isotpes in the soil in air in animals plants , everywhere .
      There is NO way to collect them .
      Imagine you have a cup of coffee (isotopes ) you want to warm up in a microwave (keshe s deactivation machine) . But someone takes the coffee and pours it into the ocean .
      Now you must collect every molecule of that coffee , from the ocean , put it back into the cup and then you can put it into the microwave and warm it up. Never mind the issue whether the microwave is working ,, the real issue is how on earth are we going to get the coffee out of the ocean . ?

  • artika rama

    wardy I dont think anything or anyone can clean it up wardy. Its another myth used by the nuke industry to trick people into believing that there s a solution for nuclear waste . Its impossible to clean it up .

  • Socrates

    Corium intacta syndrome – a delusion wherein a person, usually a pro-nuke, has a sincere belief that the cores are in the containment. This delusional belief system is characterized by a firmly-held, but erroneous, idea fixee' that humans can make nuclear energy safe despite repeated meltdowns. This may also be a shared delusion – folie' a dieux – where two or more persons are similarly deluded.

    The syndrome is notoriously resistant to any form of treatment. Even Reality therapy, wherein the patient is forced to face the tragic disaster, fails. Repeated brainwashing by mass media perpetuates the delusion.

  • weeman

    Well of it is a level 8 if they would have approached the accident as it should have been it would be a level 7, they have done nothing to steam the flow and if you think that storing it in tanks is a job well done, don't kid yourself or you have removed less than a hundred fuel rod that is a accomplishment.

    Concerning the removal of spent fuel you would think if they wanted to relieve the anxiety the Japanese people and others, they would have a live feed, I can't accept the security premise.

    As for the filter system by now must be extremely hot (radioactive) and I for one would not want to change filters, never mind do repairs.
    This system will need to be replaced and they knew this and they we're not proactive about it and should have had by this time three redundancy systems in place almost three years later, is that not the standard for extreme engineering? Three redundancy for everything and all possibilities. Space shuttle example.

    As for what remains of the buildings don't you not think collapse is a distinct possibility, why is there not a ship in Harbour able to shoot boron and sand mix a thousand feet, loaded and ready to go, what preventive measures have you taken for this senario, none.
    You don't need to be a scientist to realize this is preposterous, all you need is elementary schooling.
    I get more useful information from the National enquirer than Tepco.

  • American Phoenix57

    “Examination of the Use of Potassium Iodide (KI) as an Emergency Protective Measure for Nuclear Reactor Accidents.”

    (NUREG/CR-1433, Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 1980).

    This report describes the health effects of a nuclear accident in detail, and provides casualty estimates at various distances from a reactor. Although the report is highly technical and difficult to read, buried in its pages of statistics is the acknowledgment that a “Core-Melt Atmospheric” accident (that is, an accident like Chernobyl* which released a large portion of the reactor core into the atmosphere) could threaten millions of people.

    NUREG-1433 points out that thyroid growths (nodules) and other thyroid damage would be expected to occur for hundreds of miles downwind after an accident through breathing.

    Effects of Core-melt Atmospheric Accidents by Distance

    Distance in Miles Mean Thyroid Dose(REM)for Probability of
    Exposed Adult Outdoors Damage to Thyroid
    Exposed Adult Outdoors

    1 13,500 60%
    5 5,800 70%
    10 3,200 70%
    25 1,100 40%
    50 380 13%
    100 100 3%
    150 36 1%
    200 16 0…

  • rogerthat

    Philip Up North: ''Then I saw Reactor 3, with it's plutonium fuel, blow up on 3/14/2011, and said to myself: "This event has ended nuclear power on planet Earth."
    It doesn't matter how much the nuclear industry spends on PR, there is simply no way back from the mushroom cloud that everyone on Earth saw during the explosion at Reactor3, FDNPP, on 3/14/2011, the date of the end of nuclear power on Planet Earth.''

    This bears repeating. That was my reaction, I wonder how many others out there felt the same thing. Changed the world.

    Might tweak the ending: The end of … planet earth. Not so sure about nuclear power – the smoking ruins of the meltdowns that kill us all will be merrily breeding endless kazillions of cute little buckyballs and nanos until the end of time, ha ha.

    • name999 name999

      personal privacy…documents were withheld because of personal privacy. Strange. Dry reading but
      did interest me in terms of where this was going. Search for documents, but many not being
      released for unclear reasons.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Yes, name999 the NRC duplicated 100's of docs in each FOIA request to discourage people from looking through them.

        The links above to the hatrick penry files are screen shots showing some of the things they knew right away, like burning plutonium in the spent fuel pool of Reactor 4.
        One example

        Full free e-book

        • zogerke zogerke

          when i worked in places that generated docs that could be recalled thru foia requests, the people generating the data intentionally took three lines…say of damning chemical releases…and embedded them in ten pages of PhD academic BS. They bragged about it, and their ability to do so. A 2 page document became a 47 page document. 'Dazzle'em with bullshit' this guy would chuckle.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            zogerke….That is exactly what they did with the Fuku docs. I have a screenshot of an email where inspectors in the US are admitting they found I-131 in dairy samples. Their boss tells them not to report it because the state they are in has no law requiring unsafe rad levels be revealed to the public.

            These ass***** at the EPA allowed children to drink tainted milk, and allowed tainted dairy products to be sold. Also, I many many emails between folks at the NRC reinforcing to each other to take iodine pills (which they were issued) and make sure their families did as well.

            I have a much more cynical view of humanity when I see people allowing children to be harmed so they can keep their stupid jobs.

  • ftlt

    Gundersen has done more to bring attention to the FUFU crisis than anyone else out there..

    Time to lighten up on the attacks on him a bit..

    People here are too wrapped up in being the one who knows the most about how really bad things are at FUFU IMO. It's almost a race with some here.

    Everyone one the MB has far more in common with Gundersen than they seem to want to believe.

    And he clearly knows more than everyone put together on here about nuclear power IMO.

    Again, cut him some slack.

    It will be years before the all details regarding FUFU are known – maybe never.

    I have no hope for improved outcome for FUFU.. Certainly, I'm getting the same feeling more and more from Gundersen lately.

    Like Gundersen, I don't believe this is an ELE event as many here seem to want to paint as to being. He has mentioned MBs getting carried away and I agree with him in this.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA


      Arnie was telling us in 2011..I posted his videos yesterday

      He said it was worse than Chernobyl 4/2011
      He said he wasn't eating fish and called for testing.
      He explained carefully what was going on

      No one is perfect, and I am cynical about everyone and everything, but he was warning everyone in 2011…we just didn't want to hear about it yet.

      Maybe it wore him out telling people for two years, only to have them suddenly jump on the bandwagon with pitchforks and torches demanding answers.
      2011 Videos from Arnie


      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Like 2 posters..?

      • zogerke zogerke

        newsblackout, agreed. watching long term, the 'movements' of folks in usa to non-violently right wrongs, i believe that divide and conquer tactics are powerful distrctions. 'they' want us to 'eat' our leaders and messengers. 'they' want us to nit pic the leadership so we doubt them. it is fine to correct, to disagree, to debate. but there is an energy of 'destroy them -they are not perfect enough!' that does not really help. even if you believe AG could have done more and done it better, he has done a hell of a lot in the right direction. I don't want to destroy the leadership, even if i question their output. And i don't want to buy into divide and conquer by thinking i am holier than thou.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          This is based on the concept of an 'homogenous' movement.
          There is nothing to 'conquer and divide' ..if the movement is more 'fluid'.
          Which it is and needs to remain.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      ftit, what do you mean by "MB" and MB's" ?

      I thought and thought about it, and couldn't figure it out.

      What is an MB?

    • GeorgeK

      learn how disinfo works. if arnie hadnt been featured? they'd have to have invented him- or face the disaster of a real whistleblower emerging who might stumble on or expose the horrific truth, not just a credible mascot. arnie can be depended on to be "reasonable" and never get too alarming or out of line… doesnt mean he has no value and is not appreciated– but the limitations are obvious

  • dka

    there other meltdown at other reactors than fukushima 1.
    The vast total number of radiation emitted is not only the results of Fukushima reactor 1,2,3 and sfp 4, the amount needs to include all the other partial meltdown is never mentioned anywhere.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "People here are too wrapped up in being the one who knows the most about how really bad things are at FUFU IMO."

    Oh..please ..who would want this?

    "It's almost a race with some here." used to involve the race toward truth. seems if entwined with humanitarian need.

    And perhaps the humanitarian need might be better served by a more direct approach to the truth.

    No one can blame me..

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      The children and mothers say thank you for this golden post..reading like sun..

      And the first part gave DANTE the first real uncontrollable laugh ever..i think i twisted a chakra or two too..LOL !..
      Thanks !

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Oh…DID…how funny you are.
        How odd.
        In my coughing..I've been pinching a rib.

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder


          • ftlt

            Yes, MB are message boards..

            And yes, I'm an industry plant. Right.. HAHAHAHAHAHA

            One thing I'm not, is a confused pro-slavery libertarian Calhounist nor a whacked out faux Buddhist adherent to neo-Calhounism. HAHAHAHAHA


            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              Oh come on ftlt , there are people depressed living in a world of zombies all their life , because they emphatically sensed naturally their environment is alive and slaughtered by said zombies majority aka our own dellusional brother and sister addict's , controlled by "the machine"..
              I have tried to kill my brain that make me stood out like a sore misunderstood thumb with alcohol for the biggest part of my (old) life..for various reason's , but this was a big one ..

              Then suddenly reading something like..

              "People here are too wrapped up in being the one who knows the most about how really bad things are at FUFU IMO."

              followed by a very accurate..

              Oh..please ..who would want this?

              It was just to much for me..thinking that somebody thought it was somehow satisfactional to descend in the big picture of misery to understand detail..

              Like Dante in hell, i doubt he was amusing himself.. (could be wrong since i never fully readed his work)

              Imagining he did .. for ego or something whatever..well i laughed the hardest i maybe ever did..and kept grinning for 24 hours..thanks for the catarsis lol

              It has nothing to do with you personally , i have no problem with you that i remember..

              It's just words coming togheter..from different directions..
              decoded in different minds..
              I guess i could have said , Dante approves this message.. or something.. but i didden't..that's all..

              relax dude.. 😉

              • ftlt

                DIS: This was written regarding the recent attacks on Arnie and other posters on here.

                I stand by what I have said.

                I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid anywhere to include that being served by those over ratcheted up on HERE!!!

                This "them or with us" nonsense hurts this site comment section's credibility.

                It is becoming ridiculously inbred with a regular bunch of backslapping posters – Ones who get off on excluding others who have differing thoughts than they do. IMO

                ENENEWS is a great site otherwise.

                • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  fair enough..i never attacked A.G..and usually only individual's if they behave in a way i perceive as an attack on this site.. or on individuals i hold dear..
                  And been annoyed to by accusations between members that are ridicullus..

                  i thought you where offended by our laughing..and clearifying that part..

                  can we move on now..?

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    If 3 reactors melted down, 7 time 3 is a 21. If 6 reactors melted down, 7 times 6 equals a 42. If Daini also melted down, that 10 times 7 equals a 70. If the plutonium is 1000s of times worse than the plutonium of Chernobyl as Dr. Helgar Strohm maintains, that would make it a 7000.

    If an 8 is what is being offered, it is undoubtedly much, much more. Chernobyl was somewhat contained by a sarcophagus above and below. This will always be impossible because of the location and geology of Fukushima Daiichi.

    So it is many times more than an 8, IMHO.

    What matters even more is that only a few countries are paying attention and shutting down their reactors and converting to renewables. The next Fukushima is already waiting to happen. And the nuclear waste is still increasing exponentially.

    It doesn't matter if Fukushima is an ELE or not. The world is thoughtlessly and addictively rushing to destroy the planet by building more and more nuclear power plants. 2000 alone are planned for the US and 360 more around the world. The lessons of Fukushima aren't being learned by enough people globally.

    The only lesson that is rational: Shut them all down immediately.

  • Nick

    Ever get the "Fukushima Shrug? The huh….what's that?

    It never ceases to amaze me in an age of INSTANT information how clueless mosy of humanity is.

    Maybe we are hardwired to deny reality when it threatens our way of life?

    All I know is that Fukushima is probably worse than even I can imagine.

    That said, no level of a disaster scale can adequately convey to us all how dire the situation is/will become.

    It has got to be obvious to 90% of the posters here that we are faced with an event that will shape

    our world's destiny for the forseable future. Problem is, NO ONE for saw what is unfolding. Not even computer models running at hyperspeed came up with the scenario we are faced with. It simply was beyond the nuclear industry's risk assessment advisors carefully bullshitted spreadsheet analyses.

    The lesson for us all is that shit does happen.

    If Fukushima is as bad as AG surmises, then we are all in for a very rough ride indeed.

    Environmentalism has floundered for years because of an assumption that once folks knew the truth (about toxins, etc) they would act differently. But instead we see that people reject the truth-sayers and create their own beliefs.

    I don't see this dynamic changing anytime soon.

    Our world will become ever more polarized between the idiots who can't taste/smell/feel/see radiations harmful legacies and those of us who shake our heads in collective dismay at our fellow
    citizens who know not what they have let…

    • name999 name999

      …in some ways, the bad guys have won and that breaks my heart.

      In another way, something yet to be revealed can change everything. But, it is predicated
      on telling the truth.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      It was foreseen, but ignored. Safety would have cost too much. The myopia of corporations, especially the nuclear industry. There have been over 400 nuclear accidents around the world. It is foreseen. A few countries are acting on the lessons of Fukushima. The rest have their heads in the ground and refuse to recognize reality.

      We have to follow the example of countries both shutting down nuclear energy, refusing nuclear energy, stopping fossil fuels. Renewables are the only way to go. And the countries who use renewables are the only ones who will have a good economy. The rest will be bankrupt and dead.

  • Nick

    …have let loose on our precious biosphere.

  • Ontological Ontological

    Yes that "I don't know" shrug, and the obvious "I am lying" body language.

  • rogerthat

    newsblackout, the FOIA stuff is amazing, have been reading and re-reading for months now. how MSM can totally ignore this stuff is beyond me. how anyone can ignore it is beyond me. it tells it like it is, period. a snapshot of the heart of the beast. For any newcomers here who want to get up to speed and cut through the endless mountain of words Fukushima is generating, read hatrickpenry. And more power to you, newsblackout, for posting this stuff again. People need to read it and inwardly digest. It tells you how the industry, governments and regulators deal with meltdowns, what their priorities are. Be assured, you are not one of them. They are not going to tell you, they are not going to warn you, they are not going to advise you to take precautions, they are not going to evacuate you, they are not going to compensate you.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Correct! 🙁

  • whiteaglesoaring

    TEPCO has taken a lot of flak for bungling and lying about the disaster at Fukushima Daiichi, and the Japanese government has taken quite a few hits, too. However, evidence points toward sabotage and nuclear blackmail.

    The physical evidence that proves sabotage is there if you know what to look for. For example, the valves that must be open to allow cooling water to the reactor are automatically open. It takes a command and electric power to close them. Yet the control room technicians did not know that the reactors were overheating until too late and they found the valves were locked shut. They could not command them to open. They could only have been given a "close" command by sabotage.


    Stuxnet virus recently sabotaged uranium-enriching centrifuges in Iran. Control room technicians were seeing normal status, but anyone walking through the arrays could see that they were spinning out of control. Stuxnet can only be installed via a thumbdrive in a USB port, but then it can determine what are normal conditions, record those and file them in the computer memory. When triggered into operation stuxnet sends commands to Siemens SCADA valves. At Fukushima such valves were used in the cooling system for the reactors. At Fukushima they were closed and the status in the control room showed they were open and the reactor temperature was normal.


    Shortly after Japan offered to enrich uranium for Iran, an Israeli company, Magna BSP, sought and won the…

    • Naw, you're presuming something not in evidence – that the designers of reactors and total surrounding plants (many important components) and ordered retrofits (like the downcomer valve controls) designed them to behave according to rational system assessment in the event of serious mishap. In my experience with these rustbuckets, that isn't anywhere near true.

      For instance, the emergency feedwater main block valves FAILED SHUT at TMI2 when the demineralizer isolated and shut down the main feedwater system to the heat exchangers (steam generators). The coverup lie said they'd been closed for weeks for work they never produced a work order for, but that's SOP. Even worse, when the pressurizer relief valve didn't re-seat following the SCRAM (it couldn't have, as the RCS was way to out of control hot), the "Engineered Safeguards" locked the operators out of being able to open and close the downstream block valve from the control room. They had to alter flow dynamics away from the B-hot leg – thus pressurizer – in order to get the temperature down below 230º so they could get back in and disable the Emergency Safeguards to 'feed & bleed' the reactor into submission.

      I have no problem believing that important feed (and pressure control) valves fail shut when the electricity goes out. What I most wonder about is whether the control valves for the Core Flood Tanks (ECCS) failed closed too, since ECCS never got deployed…

  • whiteaglesoaring


    Shortly after Japan offered to enrich uranium for Iran, an Israeli company, Magna BSP, sought and won the security contract for Fukushima-Daiichi. They finished installation and returned to Israel a week before disaster struck. The Israeli defense contractor had motive, means, and opportunity….and Israel could exert nuclear blackmail to exacerbate the problem. Stuxnet had already been found in Japan a few months earlier and could already be installed and awaiting the command to attack.

    • Sam Sam

      Please elaborate more; "The Israeli defense contractor had motive,
      means, and opportunity……………………………….? to do what?
      could you provide references for this theory.

      I have heard this theory before and regard it personally as abhorrent. This view takes the focus away from the fact that anything to do with nuclear is deadly no matter what causes the event. Shut down
      all nuclear world wide.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      The earthquake occurred right in the ocean where Japan had been dumping radioactive waste for decades. Iran has had nuclear weapons for over a decade and has their own nuclear weapons production plant near the Caspian Sea. It is on the map.

      There was no motivation for Israel to cause this disaster which is caused by the scandalous negligence by the plant managers at Fukushima for decades. This area was a weapons making plant in Japan for decades and the use of MOX and breeder fuel rods in units #3 and #4 which should have been decommissioned because of faulty design and old age is the cause of this disaster.

      Why would anyone agree to a dirty bomb in their midst? Israel depends on foreign aid from the US. They had no motivation to cause all the massive radiological contamination of the US. Without the US, Israel hasn't the resources to exist. There is no oil in Israel and all the women around the Israel reactor have breast cancer.

      • GeorgeK

        the US is finished and Israel is on to the next host- China.
        BTW- Israel have just discovered enough nat gas offshore in their Leviathan field to become a net exporter within the coming years. BIG part of the reason they are behind the jihadis in Syria and Lebanon- neither of those countries will allow their fields to be slant-drilled or stolen like they get away within Gaza. so Hezbollah and Assad have to go and compliant rulers installed. or else to disable them as obstacles by destabilizing them beyond hope.

      • flatsville

        I find Israeli involvement a bit farfetched…Still you might want to search Israel off shore oil discovery.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Another obvious reason why the entire Nuclear Industry needs to be banned from the surface of this planet.

  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Please I want to learn more about this don't leave me a hanging

  • Nick says: It never ceases to amaze me in an age of INSTANT information how clueless most of humanity is.

    A small proactive remedy…

    To all visitors and the community of ENENews, the following Japan Radiation Citizen Memos are designed to be widely shared everywhere in your local and internet communities. All citizens need to know about Fukushima. Find bulletin boards in your local area and post on social websites. Tell the People.

    Japan Radiation Memo to All Citizens PDF

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    Doesn't take much. A printer. Scissors. Thumbtacks. For some,
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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Ok chem I just sent it to my email to disassemble , i hate Facebook but it could work

  • ftlt

    ENENEWS commentors against the world HAHAHAHHAHA

    WOW!!! Everyone is out to get you.

  • We Not They Finally

    Its human to be in denial.. Its us nut jobs who arent in denial….Its like Carlos Csstenada talking about how death is our ever present advisor.THese days are very difficult for most of us.WE know something terrible is just around the corner we just dont know exactly when…So we live from moment to moment waiting for the inevitable.Its like living with a death sentence for our beloved Planet. We aare watching Bees disappear and evry others species. Butterflies and planckton and all living things.Man what have you done and let happen to our beautiful planet??

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