Published: August 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm ET
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Title: It Could Have Been Worse
Source: Fairewinds Energy Education
Date: Aug 30, 2012
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I think Fukushima Daiichi released somewhat more radiation than Chernobyl.
Published: August 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm ET
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"somewhat more"..
"@#%$^&&&*#$!!"
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"I think Fukushima Daiichi released somewhat more radiation than Chernobyl."
Nevermind the FACT that it has not stopped, nor will it stop in the next 100 years or more.
Gundy, you look clown like somehow.
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I don't understand the negative comments. He's making a comparison that Fukushima is probably worse than Chernobyl and that wasn't the point he was making. If you feel his comparison is not accurate please provide a citation to a comparison of the actual amount of radiation released by both. I'm interested in the numbers.
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"Overall, 9 tonnes of fuel was subjected to atomic fission or activation transformation occasioning a prodigious explosion of radioactivity and radiotoxicity which over time, is several times the amount needed to kill by internal contamination the whole human race."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/29/fukushimas-melted-reactors-500-days-on/
From Heart of the Rose.
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Under such trying times, for some, they can feel that if something isn't spoken in "strong words", then, it hasn't been correctly spoken because it doesn't convey an expression of urgency that they believe should accompany all statements and analysis. What Arnie understands is that those who will make policy are more apt to listen to non-emotional testimony, and the public will learn better when they are not so much afraid, as alerted and calm, because fearful people tend to close their ears and watchful people tend to notice.
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I believe Mr. Gundersen is on record as saying these reactors should be covered, and then dealt with 300 years from now. You should be able to find this information here.
Kinda blows this theory…" What Arnie understands is that those who will make policy are more apt to listen to non-emotional testimony…"
Peace to you and yours,
BOYD
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" If you feel his comparison is not accurate please provide a citation to a comparison of the actual amount of radiation released by both. I'm interested in the numbers."
You may find your own numbers, what part of "has not stopped, nor will it stop in the next 100 years or more." Do you fail to comprehend?
Peace to you and yours,
BOYD
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What a understatement. They have manipulated him into saying these things. Holy *%#!
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If you have 15 meltdowns or more, each of which is rated at a level of 7, counting them as an 8 is really an unbearable sugar coating. I'm sure the Japanese people would like the truth. Also all the rest of the world that is downwind of this radiation disaster. With another 400 nuclear reactors spewing radiation and heading for meltdown……
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Everyone is so hard on Arnie… he saved my life and my kids lives because I trusted him from day one, and he was the most reliable source of info. Due to his unprecedented popularity, has anyone ever imagined that he has been tapped on the shoulder and told to watch his back?
There is too much money and power at stake, it is not impossible that Arnie has been threatened should he reveal too much of what is actually going on.
Arnie, perhaps has become a distraction from spent pool 3, by creating international focus on the possibility of SP4 burning off. There is so little known, or even asked about SP3. How much fuel is even left in that pool? There was a mushroom cloud explosion that blew the building holding the SPF3.
Bekrl want to $%@#ing know – what the mother@#$% is the real status of SPF3.
Get truth on this word, and we will know more details about how many times worse this disaster is than Chernobyl.
Bekrlz back and its time to Occupy the Nuc Industry.
http://www.facebook.com/mc.bekrl
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"Get truth on this word, and we will know more details about how many times worse this disaster is than Chernobyl."
No, we will never know, even if we all die of old age. This is a problem in geological terms, a time span us humans can not contrmplate.
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I think we are all the walking dead. The only way to mitigate the disaster is to close down all nuclear reactors, stop mining uranium, stop using nuclear weapons and depleted and pure uranium in armaments including armored vehicles and roads, golf clubs, etc.
Arnie might have prolonged your life a short while, but we are all living on borrowed time. No one is commenting personally on what or what not Arnie has done.
Any comment by anyone which is incorrect needs to be corrected. 15 times 7 is 105. We are at least at a 105 level. And that's not counting a number of reactors in Japan which were shut down, including Monju, because of damage or inept administration or ignorance of the technology. Then how about all the other experimental reactors including those at Tokai and all the nuclear reprocessing plants? 150 might be a more accurate figure.
And all the radiation in the US and the Pacific from local reactors and munitions plants and bomb testing from the last 70 years has only accumulated. There is no way to get rid of radiation. It will be around for at least one million years.
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" The only way to mitigate the disaster is to close down all nuclear reactors"
This will not mitigate this disaster, but would keep us from having another. I'm still wondering if our future will survive this one. Not enough information to know at this point.
We have the total charge of three nuclear reactors released into the environment, this is a lot of bad stuff. When one plays with toxins that will remain with us for tens of thousands of years, one should use extreme caution. Failure to do so risks the future.
BOYD
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I want to talk in real numbers.
Fukushima’s Melted Reactors 500 Days On
Radioactive Inventory Numbers
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/29/fukushimas-melted-reactors-500-days-on/
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Great article, considering that those who are in a position to know more (T3PC0 and the J-gov) aren't trustworthy.
Here are a few more numbers:
"Because the Fukushima accident released 2.5 to 3 times more radiation than Chernobyl and because Japan is far more densely populated than the Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, and because one million people have died within 25 years as a result of Chernobyl, we expect to see more than one million Japanese casualties over the next 25 years."
"Thyroid cancers related to Chernobyl started appearing only three to four years post-accident (over 92,000 have now been diagnosed). Yet only 12 months post-accident in the Fukushima Prefecture, 36% of 38,000 children under 18 have been diagnosed by ultrasound with thyroid cysts or nodules (most of these lesions should be biopsied to exclude malignancy). This short incubation time would indicate that these children almost certainly received a very high dose of thyroid radiation from inhaled and ingested radioactive iodine."
This is from Dr. Helen Caldecot, founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility, which now has 28000 members. You can read more here:
http://www.helencaldicott.com/2012/08/the-nuclear-sacrifice-of-our-children/
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..I want to talk in real numbers,about the real situation..in realtime.."Somewhat more"..is a vague,downplaying statement..and an insult to one's intelligence.
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We all want the truth. Except the nuclear industry…
Fukushima is in another silenced world right now.
I'm pretty sure Arnie is no longer on the christmas list of the nuclear industry. He's an ex insider with contacts, friends, acquaintances.
Remember awhile back Arnie said something about legal procedings?
Something was imminent. Is this it?
Nuclear plant employee files federal whistleblower lawsuit against GE-Hitachi
http://www.wect.com/story/19402591/nuclear-plant-employee-files-federal-whistleblower-lawsuit-against-ge-hitachi
Whistleblower suit filed against GE Hitachi
This second article states that:
Knight’s attorney Randolph James said because his client was being bullied into going against the procedure outlined in the plant’s federal license, he filed a complaint with federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration and Department of Labor alleging he was working in a “chilled work environment.”
Since that complaint hadn’t been answered in three years, said James, Knight decided to file the lawsuit.
http://legal.blogs.starnewsonline.com/12021/whistleblower-suit-filed-against-ge-hitachi/
I really think that Arnie is closer to reality, than the nuclear industry's information about Fukushima.
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Remember, they got rid of Jaczko, for this very reason…
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With all the power, and money in this industry (nuclear is the definition of power) I don't believe Arnie or anyone else would get one word out to the public without the industries approval. Arnie is not a turn coat, he is what he is and always has been a man who works for the industry. This was a scrpited presentation….his words are what the nuclear industry wants us to be considering as the truth.
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They can't control 1 billion self-publishers so it's safer for an Arnie to survive in 2011-12.
Before TMI Arnie might have met Karen Silkwood's fate. Would have happened to most of the members of this forum (certainly poor Admin would have been a prime target). We might not be so lucky in several other countries, but for now anyway the American nucleocrats prefer orchestrated mass media and social media disinformation.
Arnie paid a big price in 1990 for tattling on nuclear safety violations.
Walk a mile in his shoes and read this 1995 NYT article. If you still don't like him you will be a mile away and own his shoes.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/12/nyregion/paying-the-price-for-blowing-the-whistle.html?src=pm
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I think the power that controls Nuclear energy would have done away with anyone who has a background like Arnie's who is speaking out against nuclear power. I think that the nuclear industry created Arnie as their representative.
Strange their aren't more Arnie's out there, getting their message heard.
I don't dislike him, I think he is doing a good job. We need a leader to help us through this….
The shxt hit the fan and Arnie is there to help us understand it…but he is their spokes person and he is trying to contain and minimize…not a good thing if you think nukes should be outlawed….but when is that going to happen?
It's like telling the thief to put down the gun….when he's the only one with a gun.
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And, Jebus, you nailed it. While Arnie certainly appreciates any support from the likes of us, he's dealing with people who are so far behind the learning curve with so much of the money and power that you have to speak to them in non-threatening language and feed them facts one at a time, and not move on to the next tidbit until the first one is swallowed. Most of us would chafe at such self imposed restraint and not bother to learn how to deal with policymakers and leadership people. Thank goodness that Arnie is willing. Many minds need to be opened to the dangers of nuclear power generation. We can be most effective when we support each other and accept each other's choices and burdens of who to try and educate instead of berate each other's efforts because we think the other person isn't "truthy" enough. We can tell the difference between the truth tellers, the liars, and the less informed if we just listen a little more carefully.
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yes Arnie (I am a basher, and a bastard, appreciative for the wikidribbles of this world that get airplay, but still skeptical)…
IMO Fukushima is "not quite" several orders of magnitude worse than Chernobyl. now doesn't that sound credible and conservative? do I get to keep my day job now?
in other words DON'T PANIC! , as Douglas Adams said in the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.
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@Pierre…..So appropriate …so long and thanks for all the fish hahhah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NzQW7_flK0
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So sad that it should come to this
We tried to warn you all but oh dear
The world's about to be destroyed
There's no point getting all annoyed
Lie back and let the planet dissolve
Around you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NzQW7_flK0
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Why so hard on Arnie? I read the transcript. Basically what Arnie said was to explain how the diesel generators failed because the pumps which supplied cooling water to the diesel generators failed. I wonder how many systems in the states share that flaw? He also stated that this is what mainstream and nuclear don't want to talk about. I think that is enough. You can fill in the blanks from there. Obviously three melt downs with continued water leakage and unlike the Russians, it seems Kamikaze fighting is a dead tradition in Japan. I mean no army clean up like Russia. So, yeah not too hard to figure out this is worse then Chernobyl. But with all the secrecy no one can definitively say how much worse. Yet with all the lying going on, I'm sure its pretty bad. Certainly worse then what they are saying yet even what they are saying is pretty bad (Wheres the corium? the $64,000 question) But what they are saying in Japan isn't reported at all in Canada or the States. So because of that fact alone, I say it must be pretty bad. You don't need to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out….
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So..it's a case of "fill in the blank"..Mr Gundersen goes so far..then we are to assume what he said.
Where did Mr.Gundersen say the coriums are .. again?
And their condition?
"You don't need to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out…."
That's what I'm saying…lol
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PS.Speaking of Chernobyl..Here is the lot of the 'liquidators'
Nov. 1 2011
Chernobyl 'liquidators' try to storm parliament
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Tw47fW6BA
How unjust..
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"It could have been worse?" In my opinion the worse case senario is a level of radioactive release that sends the worlds population down a road of DNA distruction and that has happened.
These biological modifications in all forms of life is the worst case senario. There is no turning back now….where is Noah and his ark to gather up untainted DNA and take it far from this pollution so the species and biodiversity that took millions of years to produce can continue?
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Food for thought…
What would you say to the world about Fukushima? Realistically and to stay out of asylums and or court…
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@Jebus
Food for thought. Look at the two major political parties vis a vis Fukushima. Stuff for the sheeple, then, behind the scenes, the knife in the back as usual. It's crazymaking. Arnie is in the same place he always is in this…he has always been a proponent of nuclear power.
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Aw, I don't know, but I think he started a career in nuclear power and it was interrupted by a responsibility to his fellow man.
He was taken down a notch by his industry. For that, he has proven to be honest. For that I commend him .
My thoughts are, that his inside view of a dirty industry, overwhelms his acceptance of nuclear power.
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IMO No one in their right mind would install water cooled emergency generators. The gen sets should have been air cooled.
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Like him or not, Arne is one of the few resources out there that is willing to talk. And he says what he wants to say, not always what we want to hear. He is far better than depending on TEPCO as a sole source of informaion.
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Well, I'm rather succinct.
I would tell the truth.
Fukushima Daichi..4 reactors.(maybe 6)…full criticality..materials x-containment.
Structures beyond repair.
On-going.
My question is..if Mr. Gundersen is not held responsible for scientific truth…nor is a humanitarian activist.(stay with me..lol)
If he really was.. I assume he would be in a greater hurry to help those contaminated,..
What is his purpose..in this event.
Bring awareness to the people?
YES..but it isn't enough truth to inspire action.
The children of the area..remain in place again today.
Or maybe this day is the day mommy and daddy have to take them to Fukushima Medical Hospital.
Feb. 26 2012.
SOS from Minamisoma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DToA8yxuK8
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Everyone keeps talking about the failure of the cooling pumps which are required for the generators. But does anyone remember Greg Palast's exposé on the shoddy nature of the presumably second-hand generators, that are largely untested and left over from big ocean steam liners? Is there really any genuine expectation that they WOULD operate in time to save the reactors, if at all? I was under the presumption that they are not DESIGNED to start and stop quickly enough, or operate reliably enough to even be counted on.
It's a kabuki play atop a charade.
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http://enenews.com/reactors-5-6-cold-shutdown-after-quake-implies-report-nuclear-industry-cooling-spent-fuel-pool-5-stopped-cables-installed-fresh-fuel-loaded-both-reactors
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Another proof that Arnie says much BS.
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They aren't too bad. Not as good as a car, but should get 20 mpg
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Sorry.. IPhone follies… Was an IM to my daughter about her rental of a jeep for the holidays. Blame it on cesium destruction of my protoplasm.
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