Gundersen: Fukushima cores in crisis just as bad as ‘China Syndrome’ — Water is contaminated by nuclear fuel and leaking out all over and into groundwater, it melting into earth isn’t necessary (AUDIO)

Published: September 8th, 2013 at 9:05 am ET


Title: Fukushima leaking radiation into Pacific
Source: WPFW – Radio Ecoshock
Host: Alex Smith
Date: Sept. 5, 2013

At 9:30 in

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Published: September 8th, 2013 at 9:05 am ET


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48 comments to Gundersen: Fukushima cores in crisis just as bad as ‘China Syndrome’ — Water is contaminated by nuclear fuel and leaking out all over and into groundwater, it melting into earth isn’t necessary (AUDIO)

  • WavyGravy unobtanium

    It doesn't matter where they are. It's what they're doing that matters.

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    • papacares papacares

      the last word on this is at the link below

      • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

        Thumbs up on the video!

        • hbjon hbjon

          The last word on this LOL. I have not heard words that have described this logically since 3/11. Here are some more words on this.
          When the cores lost coolant and melted, The zirconium pipe melted as well. Priority efforts to maintain coolant in the SFP failed. Any fuel that drops from its configuration will gather and begin to fission.
          Water will immediately flash to steam and be removed by the hot fuel. Therefore, plutonium is free to move around within the fuel elements and form a criticality.
          Reactor fuel of only UO2 has very little plutonium, it's the SFP fuel that had the plutonium in it. Imho, the reactor fuel went China Syndrome, and the SFP fuel went critical and detonated (as seen in the video).
          With very high pressure hydraulic hoses, they washed all the loose debris into the harbor believing they could later recover it using dredge technology. One problem is that the high tech dredging systems still need to separate, store and process the substances that come out the other end.
          Where is the fuel? It is below the reactor wreckage and at the bottom of the harbor. The wind carried a lot of plutonium miles away. The gases were liberated into the atmosphere. Krypton, Radon, and Xenon for the most part. Radioactive Helium will raise high into the atmosphere.
          There are a lot of words that can be said on this situation man has found himself in. Should we let the testtube babies be the only ones that handle it?

          • papacares papacares

            say hbjon – the vid referenced above used for the last word statement shows the grim reaper approaching the mouthy american who is stating;
            "this is what I think we are dealing with and we can use this as a great learning experience" the grim reaper then cuts in and says "shut up, shut up, that's all you americans ever do, you talk and you talk and you talk and you say let me tell you something and I just want to say this, well your dead now, so shut up, shut up!
            And that my friend is the last word

  • Mack Mack

    Good interview with Arnie.

    If I heard correctly, he said the solution is to prevent clean water from getting into the plant – they need to get into the mountain and pull the water table down – pump that clean water out into the Pacific before it can enter into the plant, (and then entomb the plant in concrete for upwards of 100 years – where rad levels will be 1/10th of what they are today.)

    Because right now the containment buildings are leaking like a sieve into other buildings and into the groundwater.

    And right now the workers are exposed to "extraordinarily high levels of radiation."

    He also said:

    * Fukushima released 10x more rads into the water than Chernobyl

    * Radiation in Pacific Ocean is 10X what is was from bomb testing – an appreciable increase in cesium and other isotopes in the Pacific

    * Japanese gov't hasn't been funding the clean-up effort properly.

    * He suspects that in Nov/Dec/Jan we'll hear of Fuku being evacuated for a few days -due to broken fuel rods while trying to remove them – and rods will offgas, releasing more airborne releases of Xenon and Cesium

    * Contact your state rep or province rep and get them to sample fish

  • weeman

    Japan put aside half a billion dollars to stem this accident, I just heared on BBC, the main stadium for Olympics has a price tab of one and a half billion, just for the stadium.
    Am I at a loss at a all time low, we must bring these Olympics to a stop, keep the information flowing.

    • We Not They Finally

      They will never reach the 2020 Olympics. They might as well build the stadium, then turn it into a morgue for their own dead children. Unless they are such callous cannibals that they will never face the mass killing of their own kids.

      I was born on the heels of WWII into a Jewish family, so the Holocaust has always been imprinted on my heart. Still, I never ever EVER thought I would see a people, a nation, just mindlessly mass murder their own kids and then go have a party.

  • Wooster


    We perform experiments simulating reactor core melt accidents in which molten core debris (“corium”) erodes the concrete floor of a containment building. <b>This occurred during the Fukushima nuclear power plant accident. </b>

  • kintaman kintaman

    Never mind China Syndrome. We have the 2020 Olympics now! Yeah, 3.11 never happened! Erase your memories folks!

  • papacares papacares

    well someone is definitely lying

    (short quote from article)Tokyo had been on the defensive in the final days of the campaign because of mounting concerns over the leak of radioactive water from the tsunami-crippled Fukushima nuclear plant.

    In the final presentation, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe gave the IOC assurances that the Fukushima leak was not a threat to Tokyo and took personal responsibility for keeping the games safe.

    "Let me assure you the situation is under control," Abe said. "It has never done and will never do any damage to Tokyo."

    Abe gave further assurances when pressed on the issue by Norwegian IOC member Gerhard Heiberg.

    "It poses no problem whatsoever," Abe said in Japanese, adding that the contamination was limited to a small area and had been "completely blocked."

    "There are no health related problems until now, nor will there be in the future," he said. "I make the statement to you in the most emphatic and unequivocal way."

  • Abe is better than Superman. He personally vaccummed up all of the radiation from the whole country, and safely is storing it in his little pinkie toe.


    And the tooth fairy and Santa Claus are real. Really.

    And the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth.

    And your nose, Abe, it is growing very long…. Why?

  • Underground criticalities are no doubt occurring.

    Fukushima is not under control and the Japanese need to evacuate people NOW

    The US needs to come clean about whether protective action guideliness are in place and provide data on the mass sea lion deaths that occurred in the spring-summer of 2013.

    I've seen a lot of dying animals lately.

    We need comprehensive testing and accountable government.

    The people of the world will not forgive those who spin deadly deceptions about radiation exposure.

    • kintaman kintaman

      But Olympics 2020!

      • Mack Mack

        Great job on the interview, majia.

        And congratulations on your book, "Fukushima and the Privatization of Risk" set for release on October 16, 2013,

        which can be pre-ordered now:

        • Thank you Mack

          I apologize to all for the hefty price, which is typical of 'academic' books. Anyone interested in reading the book might ask a local library to order it.

          My acknowledgements include the entire Enenews staff and community, from whom I've learned so much. Thank you.

          FYI I intend to give all of my personal profits to a Fukushima relief organization.

          • hbjon hbjon

            I feel stupid when I hear the word Olympic now. And since when has their not been the socialization of risk in our current fraudulent economy?

            • Yes the socialization of risk is perhaps unprecedented

              I was writing a book titled Dispossession when I took the detour to describe the Fukushima disaster.

              Fukushima is the most iconic case of the privatization of risk and it dramatizes the cataclysmic scope of corporate externalities.

              What amazed me the most is that in 1956 brave scientists warned the world that radiation from atmospheric testing could cause a human extinction event. see discussion here

              Their warning was based in scientific studies of radiation effects on human DNA.

              The AEC successfully attacked and marginalized these scientists. AEC propaganda was successful, but has always been proven sophistic by every objective study looking at fallout effects.

              Science is a tool. Just like derivatives, science was seized by sociopaths and used for the purposes of control and personal gain in the Arms Race madness.

              • dharmasyd dharmasyd

                Congratulations Majia! I'm going to request purchase by the Berkeley city library and alert my contacts at KPFA.
                BTW…I found out what happened with my radio contact in Oregon when I tried to connect you during your presentation there. She had become very ill and was not even able to reply to me. I hope I can do more for you this time. Your work truly deserves to be spread!!!

              • weeman

                My hero, someday soon people will owe you a debt of gratitude, me for one.
                Enlighten the masses and put nuclear power to rest.

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    The cold pancakes live on!

    Good on Mr. Gundersen for not walking out when asked about the melted fuel, but here we have a nuclear engineer telling the world that water, simply water, is able to "cool" the corium and stop it dead in its tracks.

    At 3500c, the corium would have burned through containment within 24 hrs, and the explosions could indicate when it got "ex-vessel."

    For all of us not employed by the nuclear industry, a show of hands please: Who thinks dropping water on 3500 degree Celsius fuel will be able to do much more than turn the water into nuclear fallout? Not a single hand up, as far as the eye can see. Water increases fission, which is why Chernobyl avoided it like the plague.

    Also, at 3500c, the corium is some of the easiest material to "find" in the whole planet. If it was attached to your keys, you would never lose them again. Don't believe anyone who tells you that they don't know where it is. It does matter where they are, even more than with your keys.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      I've seen a 5000 degree Corium temperature described in some older publications by Karl Grossman (ie what the nuke industry doesn't want you to know). Doesn't matter too much though…just harder to slow down I guess. Will still eat thru anything in it's way at either temperature.

    • soern

      right no nukes!
      arnie imho is just an opportunist walking on a slim line between soft criticism and mainstream in order to not endanger his business.
      In my eyes he's a "soap seller" no matter what he sells, look at his face.
      Same as i found at "Greenpeace" after my inquiry for some suggestions for a rasonable geiger counter to buy after 3.11 – They told me NOT TO BUY A GEIGER COUNTER!!! as I'd had to have studied at University to use it.

      Cores shurely are on their way to magma which might be the best they can do.
      When they meet magma, firstly they go back on surface, pressured by magma which builds up some new vulcano then, which covers all that BS at least. Fixed.

      Man cannot fix this – never!!
      Only Nature can – which is the same as God.

  • "…as bad as the China Syndrome."
    – Gundersen [paraphrased]

    What's even worse than a China Syndrome?

    An 'as bad as' China Syndrome x 3…!!!

  • Sickputer

    Sorry… Luv ya Gundie, but when they declared Units 1-3 in "cold shutdown condtion" after probes showed inside temps below 100 degrees Centigrade then we know the cores are ex-situ.

    Elvis, Elvis Jr., and Elvis III have left the building long ago and are in full-blown China Syndrome. The nuclear industry knows it, thousands of Enenewsers know it, but 7 billion people are going to hear the lie that the cores are still in the building.

    As for diverting underground fissures of aquifers from the mountain, virtually impossible without a trillion dollar effort and without collapsing the entire ground and underground structure onto the nuclear complex island.

    Which they may end up doing anyway when all else fails and they will use buried neutron boms to quickly achieve that effect.

    The Japanese nukiez originally diverted an aboveground river to build Daiichi. Diverting the underground fissures in the million-year-old hard layers of sandstone is an engineering feat designed for 100 million Chinese miners and 10 trillion dollars. Think that will happen?

  • What are they going to do with the super highly conccccccentrated nuclear waste in 2,000 plus tanks right on FUKU site, when they explode that neutron bomb?

    If everything (ideally) goes underground, including the 2,000 tanks, SFP's, etc, what happens when groundwater reaches this super concentrated radioactive mess and then it all goes on to the ocean?

    Right underneath FUKU is a HUGE underground river.. That is where it will all be buried?

    Wouldn't that be the absolute WORST place to put even a gram of nuclear waste?

    They shut down Yucca Mountain because they did studies of water flow in the desert and determined that in several hundred years, water would flow through the complex and be contaminated from leaking radioactive waste containers.

    • Sickputer

      "What are they going to do with the super highly conccccccentrated nuclear waste in 2,000 plus tanks right on FUKU site, when they explode that neutron bomb?"

      SP: If the plant goes totally rogue and rods begin burning openly, all workers evacuate, and 40X Chernobyl emissions begin wafting in the jetstream…then unthinkable options become possible.

      Die quick from air fallout or die slower from ocean contamination. Hard choices. An ELE or an MDE (Massive Depopulation Event).

  • Before i listen to the audio…
    just wanted to let you know i've posted the high resolution pics from Mar 20th and 24th 2011 …

    • jk641

      Thank you for the photos!
      Sometimes I forget just how badly the place was damaged.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Wow, wynd…the pictures are amazing. According to the FOIA documents the spent fuel pool already had a meltdown in 4 reactors at least some meltdown and a zirc fire. Linked if you want to read through it. Here is an excerpt from the FOIA documents
      Reactor 4:
      Unit 4
      – Fire in the spent fuel building was a small generator lube oil fire. IAEA reports that fire was put out at 2200 EDT, March 14.
      – There is a possible water loss from the spent fuel pool and operators are having difficulty providing adequate cooling and water level to the pool:
      – There are reports of possible hydrogen burn from the spent fuel.
      – High radiation dose rates measured between Units 3 and 4, source is suspected to be Unit 4 spent fuel pool.
      – Radiation levels uncertain at this time

  • Don't miss the complete audio…

    the biggest industrial accident in the history of the world

    japanese govt isn't giving Tepco enuf money to clean up the site

    it's ain't over

    entomb the the four reactors for 100 year

  • lam335 lam335

    I believe this is the report by the Vermont law professor that AG is referring to (I had posted it on the General Forum last week). The press conference is definitely worth listening to:

    "Vermont reactor closing signals death knell for aging nukes; What replaces them?"



    Press conference (audio)

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Radiation carried by wind and sea currents, continually bombarding the Northern Hemisphere.

  • wxman2001

    I opened a flickr acct just to publish these jpegs I created of screenshots. They are the EPA gamma rad data and a corresponding rain data for the same site, showing the spikes in gamma are (again) occurring, since early to mid-July whenever it rains decently at a site. I haven't seen these kind of spikkes since winter 2011/2012. I am a meteorologist who hasbeen following enenews ad the rad data since it all began.
    see screen grabs here:

  • wxman2001

    I have also checked data for at least 10 sites around the US and found the same pattern.

    • Kassandra


      I also tracked EPA data, until the last six months

      I found a strong correlation between the jet stream and beta spikes

      I found the highest spikes also in late 2011 and early 2012

      I would very much like to hear more about your observation

      I feel like we are getting periodically slammed


  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "I think they are still in the building., but the answer is no, no one knows."


    Evidently..there are those that can hypothesize better than Arnie.


  • razzz razzz

    One of the things I took note of out of Arnie's interview was when he mentions the tank farms. So far, in total, stored water is 400,000 tons (95 million gallons/360 million liters) of radioactive water. The aquifer waters flowing from the site are estimated to be 100,000 tons daily with that an estimated 400 tons (95,860 gallons/ 362,870 liters) becoming radioactive by mixing with water that has contacted the melts on its way to the Pacific, daily. Or, every 100 days to reach the capacity of the tank farms. Some of the tank water has been treated and holds more strontium than anything else.

    Arnie never says that capping the site in concrete will stop the radioactive water flows but hopes lowing the water table would help, if it can be done. Big if. I hope it can be done.

    What happen to 4's fuel removal? Problems? They can at least remove the unused fuel and send it to the Japanese Diet (government) for safe keeping.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Japan is toast.. 🙁

  • deaddolphins simonhhh

    Japan is toast.. 🙁 but when is Abe and going to admit it…on their deathbeds…when it will be too late…like a Japanese horror movie with a not so subtle twist…the audience becomes the victims

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