Gundersen: Fukushima reactors “will become unstable” if new barrier causes water buildup underground — Nuclear buildings could topple during quake

Published: August 8th, 2013 at 8:05 am ET


Title: There is no way to stop Fukushima radioactive water leaking into the Pacific – expert
Source: Voice of Russia
Author:  Evgeny Sukhoi
Date: August 7, 2013

Arnold Gundersen, Fairewinds Associates: […] The Japanese are proposing putting in a barrier to prevent the water from entering the ocean. That is two years too late and will be too late by the time they construct that barrier. But the barrier also causes another problem. If the water can’t go anywhere into the Pacific Ocean, it is going to build up onsite, which means that the nuclear reactors themselves will become unstable. The water can pull underneath the nuclear buildings and if there is an earthquake, in fact the nuclear buildings could topple. […]

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Published: August 8th, 2013 at 8:05 am ET


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16 comments to Gundersen: Fukushima reactors “will become unstable” if new barrier causes water buildup underground — Nuclear buildings could topple during quake

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Sooner or later, groundwater must be diverted around Reactor Buildings1,2,3,&4, and dumped untreated into the ocean.
    This means that either the Frozen Wall will be completed, or the Impermeable Wall will be extended to entirely enclose the 4 Reactor Buildings.
    This means that the water level under the 4 Reactor Buildings will soon be precisely controlled, by merely pumping water in and out.
    Conclusion: is managing public opinion by using this play:
    Create a problem.
    Inflame the public.
    Solve the problem.
    Deflate public protest.
    Restart reactors throughout the nation.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      There may be a plan afoot to cover up the melt-out completely.
      Here's how it could work:
      With the Frozen Wall and Impermeable Wall in place, will Pump, Treat & Dump water from basements and tunnels.
      To keep groundwater out, and to prevent unstable buildings from collapsing, basements and tunnels will be filled with grout.
      Recoverable fuel assemblies will be removed from all SFPs, eventually going into permanent dry cask storage.
      The area inside the Frozen Wall will be paved over.
      No attempt will be made to find or remove any melted fuel from Containment Vessels1,2,&3.
      Containment Vessels will instead be filled with grout.
      (The 218 tons of missing nuclear fuel from Reactors1,2,&3 will eventually be forgotten.
      No attempt will ever be made to locate the missing molten fuel.)

      As its population continues to shrink, sicken, and die off, Japan will cease to be a major power.
      Economically, a bankrupt Japan will sink to third world status.
      The human tragedy happening in Japan will divert attention away from the Fukushima nuclear plant ruins.

      As for the Pacific Seafood Industry, I suppose it will continue to exist on some level.
      China feeds pig manure to farmed seafood for US export, but the Americans continue to buy it.
      They will probably continue to eat contaminated Alaskan King Crab, and Pacific Blue Fin Tuna as well.
      But the damage to the Pacific Ocean, and to the human genome, will be horrendous, and beyond remediation.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Tone yourself..Heart..don't mention the 'cold pancake'.
        Why look for it?

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        The human toll of Fukushima is going to be simply devestating.
        To watch one of the leading nations of the world fail is way beyond sad.
        As it was, Japan's slow population decline mirrors its slow economic decline.
        After Fukushima, the decline went into overdrive.
        Self evacuations, abortions, miscarriages, birth defects, sudden deaths, heart failure, cancers, and all the rest.
        "Support By Eating", incineration of nuclear waste, ineffective or abandoned decontamination, and continued refusal to expand the evacuation, condemn the Japanese people to the entire spectrum of radiation-induced illness. In a single generation, Japan will become a place where the merely sick will be caring for the dying. Zombie Japan. So sad. RIP Japan. 🙁

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          One of the ironies of the Nukshima debacle will be that successful Hayman Capital hedge fund manager Kyle Bass, who has been explaining the unfolding economic and demographic decline of Japan, will be right about the nation's collapse, but for the wrong reasons.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          It won't just be Japan, but is happening all over the world. Any country with nuclear energy is killing itself forever and its neighbors all over the world. Only humans are capable of such deception and destruction.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose re- any damn thing.
    The world community is slightly more aware now..
    Hopefully..they will understand this next activity as another dangerous ruse.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Add corrosion to subsidence..the buildings are 'toppling' anyway.

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  • homeenergyexpert homeenergyexpert

    As a "Master Inspector of Structures," mainly large commercial buildings for Nevada Power/Sierra Pacific Power, and a Geology/Geography Degree from UNLV, with Radiation Health Technology for working at the Nevada Test Site, you have major structural problems here! You have to look at the weight of these 300,000 gallon pools, crane, racks,+ fuel rods. We are talking around 3,000,000lbs. plus, held up by those underground supports. You have two active earthquake fault zones right underneath them, with as many as "5" tremors a day. These structures were never designed for earthquakes, as these were USA designs that the Japanese refused to modify. That's why the backup generators flooded out, they refused to change the plans to move them up the mountain side. They were not meant structurally to even be running at this age. It is just like the US's Mark I & Mark II problem, that I talked with Arnie Gunderson last Sept at the D.C. Hearings. It is not can they have a collapse, it is when will it collapse! As Arnie said, "It is a race against time and TEPCO did not want to spend the money to even enter the race. Keep a bag packed to head South of the Equator, because when one pool goes, you will not be able to even be at the site to save the others from going too! Watch the "Uncensored Battle of Chernobyl" with Gorbachov interview, to see what I am talking about. It was just a baby disaster, with 300k workers. See how many died on our video page at: http://www...

  • homeenergyexpert homeenergyexpert

    Radiation Health

  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    Two main things stand out for me in this article. The first one is a "new" bit of information that I appreciate having as a means of describing the contamination problem at Daiichi by putting it into perspective: Arnie says, "…the water directly over a nuclear reactor core when the plant is operating is a thousand times less radioactive than this water." By THIS water, he means what TEPCO is pumping out from the buildings (I believe), if not from the ground around the plant, and is roaring (that's probably what it sounds like…not drip drip) into the ocean.

    The second thing is the cost: Site remediation pegged at $100B and Fuku Prefecure at $400B. These are big numbers, but they mean nothing. Decontamination is impossible without causing more destruction and more "waste", and even then it's just pushed around…"a show for the community".

    The true cost of this one event is impossible to put a number to. Nothing but time will ever get rid of those scattered elements, and during that time they will cause pain and suffering on a scale humanity has never seen before.

    This is the reality. Drop what you're doing and start making noise until every last facility is shut down and beginning decomissioning. Otherwise, what the hell are you working so hard for?

    • Jebus Jebus

      The reason Arnie says, "…the water directly over a nuclear reactor core when the plant is operating is a thousand times less radioactive than this water." is because the fuel is encased in zirconium tubes in a functioning reactor. Very few radionuclides, just heat(radiation) moderated by H2O, control rods, and whatever other neutron absorbers they put in there.

      The water going over the still very hot coriums is flushing nanoparticles of radionuclides directly to the sea.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    MoonLight Empire,

    I will peg the long term costs at a minimum of One Trillion Dollars + and I predict all the meltdowns happening/scheduled for the very near future will have the same conservative price tag.

    One has to take/place into account the entire equation of all the biological and human toll that is/will be required from such catastrophic events!

    No worries since the citizens/slaves/serfs and all their children's children as bountiful tax payers will pick up this entire ongoing price tag.

    Nuclear Energy really is.. just to cheap to meter!