Gundersen: Fukushima will be bleeding into Pacific for next 100 years — Such a worldwide catastrophe — Molten cores being released into groundwater and moving off site — ‘Radioactive lake’ developing beneath reactors — New Yorker: “Human disaster that may never end” (VIDEO)

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Fairewinds Energy Education, Mar. 12, 2014:

  • Arnie Gumdersen, Fairewinds chief engineer (at 0:45 in): Is most of the cleanup complete? Are the people of Japan, especially the children, OK? Are the Japanese evacuees returning home? And, are the oceans OK? Sadly the answers are no.
  • Gundersen (at 5:15 in): The aftermath of this catastrophe remains as hazardous as ever. The power plant site itself, entire sections of the surrounding Fukushima Prefecture and the Pacific Ocean are contaminated in ways that humans never imagined, so no method of mitigation exists. The Fukushima catastrophe will continue to be life-threatening and continue to cause extreme hardship for Tepco employees and cleanup workers,the former Fukushima residents, who and the Pacific ocean — its habitats and its on the ecosystem […] The reactors continue to release the radioactive remnants from the molten cores into the surrounding groundwater that’s migrating off site. [...] Tokyo Electric appears to have little control over the deteriorating environment, and it behaves like the victim, rather than the perpetrator of the greatest industrial mishap of all time. What will the future bring? The Fukushima Daiichi site will continue to bleed radiation into the Pacific Ocean for 100 years. As contaminated water beneath the site slowly evolves into a radioactive lake. […] Most likely the cleanup of the entire site is at least a century away, if ever. How has this calamity evolved into such a worldwide catastrophe? It happened because the Japanese government chose to protect Tepco, its financial interest and the goals of the nuclear power industry.

The New Yorker, Mar. 11, 2014: “A story of human disaster that may never end.”

Seattle Weekly, Mar. 11, 2014: “The 3/11 snowfall was the beginning of Japan’s nuclear winter.”

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373 comments to Gundersen: Fukushima will be bleeding into Pacific for next 100 years — Such a worldwide catastrophe — Molten cores being released into groundwater and moving off site — ‘Radioactive lake’ developing beneath reactors — New Yorker: “Human disaster that may never end” (VIDEO)

  • Socrates

    The "Enigma of Japanese Power" is a book by Professor Karel van Wolferen wherein he critiqued the "Japanese Miracle" by examining Japanese political, economic, and social life.

    Professor van Wolferen recently concluded (after 3-11-11) that Japan should not have nuclear power. He has written 16 books. Decision-making is too random and corrupt there.

    Arnie Gundersen examines the role of GE in causing this man-made disaster. Both countries share the blame. Neither country wants to compensate anyone for their insane risk taking. Together, these nuclearists have destroyed the Pacific Ocean.

    Decisions to cut corners on safety from the design through the installation to the operation has their bloody fingerprints all over.

    The truth is that no country or company can be trusted to use absolute care. The engineering hubris and cultures of profits and warfare caused this catastrophe. As with Bhopal, India's Union Carbide disaster, and the BP Gulf disaster, profits were made and residrnts are corporate roadkill. Zero responsibility.

    Japan, France, the UK, China and Russia will go ahead with more nuke plants. Yet each of these countries and the third world countries in which they will install the nuke plants are just as screwed up.

    Our fate was decided by the folly of the "peaceful atom" long ago.


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    • J.

      Thank you for referring to van Wolferen. The book you cite is a classic and essential reading for anyone interested in Japan. A good supplement to "Enigma" is this:

      http://www.amazon.com/Japan-Anything-But-Number-One/dp/0873328736/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394786124&sr=8-1&keywords=japan+as+anything+but+number+one

      The book counters Ezra Vogel's famous/notorious "Japan as Number One." It's more simply written than van Wolferen, but heavy on data and right on target.

      I hadn't seen van Wolferen's comments — in fact, haven't seen anything by or about him for years. I think that like many of the truly perspicacious intellectuals, he's relegated to the far corners of the corporate media coverage.


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      • Socrates

        Thank you for being aware and an intellectual yourself. I found an old copy of Enigma with must fading and dust. Van Wolferen has written much since Enigma. He was still "not antinuclear" following 3-11, but criticizes Japan for its lack of effective centralized authority. He is unique in his perspectives but understands the culture, society and economy of Japan in an historical context. In one HuffPo article post-Fukushima, he says Japan is incapable of using nuclear safely. In Enigma, the tern "nuclear" is not in the index.

        I wrote of the economic anthropology, following an analysis of a Yale Professor back in the 60's. I had experience in post-WW II industrialization in Japan's rubber industry through an employer who is now in Thailand. I saw that nuclearization was going to be a mistake. Japan lacks legal institutions. Moral hazard is what that is called. A class action lawsuit was filed in New York against GE and GE-Hitachi. The exposure is estimated to be $400 billion or more…

        The combination of US-Japanese greed and corruption with nuclear risks is too much. Man is unable to use absolute care so it is a crap-shoot.


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  • rogerthat

    this has been apparent since the day unit 3 disintegrated in a mushroom cloud. mainstream media has just become aware of the fact that something happened three years ago, so they probably need a lot more time to adjust to the shock, poor dears.


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  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    I don't pretend to know whether personal financial gain is a factor in Arnie's work or his timing but I doubt it considering his age and having said what he's had to say against the nuke cartel implies that money is not the object of his mission to educate the masses since his former pro-nuke friends have alienated him and aren't likely to reward him for speaking against them in a diminished tone of voice.Seems like the contrary IMO since he's put himself in the crosshairs of the most corrupt,dangerous entity that anyone could possibly have for an enemy by saying ANYTHING against them at all(?)!! The "100 years" statement is telling enough because it's understood,or should be by now that we won't last 100 years of this and perhaps he does tone his rhetoric down for the sake of his former peers who quietly agree with him but still aren't willing to join the ranks of former,pro-nukers now turned dissidents but might be secretly helping to shut down nuclear behind the scenes now or in the near future as a result of their respect for Arnie's logic & stand??!! In fact I don't think we'll make it 10 years at this rate and when taking into consideration how much different life will have changed if humanity is still around,speaking for myself "I don't want to be around to see what's left of this world by then"! If he turned up the volume & jumped down the elite's throats pointing fingers they'd probably "cancel his subscription to Life"! :( PEACE ..


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You are very logical.. :)


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    If Successful, Fukushima Class Actions Could Wipe Out GE

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/03/12/66052.htm

    "No one died in the radiation leak set off by a tsunami, but more than 100,000 people were evacuated.
    At $3 million apiece, damages would come to $300 billion."

    "No one died" — the Japanese are immortal.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      @the Cap'n; I sure hope so!! GE turned out to be one of the most hated corporate entity on my long & growing list! Soon enough the damages & impacts won't be able to be denied any longer and I have proof lying in the bedroom a few feet away who's "full of their(toxic)products 6,125 miles west of the origin of the releases" I'd love to add our names as plaintiffs to any lawsuits that might be filed against any/all nuke-puke co.'s & collusive Govt.'s in a second should we be invited to do so!! P.S., The tests that were conducted to determine if my spouses cancer was caused by "genetic" or "other" reasons were found to be(in the EXACT oncologist words)"somatic" in nature!! I have a feeling that would indicate that the "sealed" portion of her medical files intended for eyes other than OURS that described DNA/chromosomal damage possibly via "industrial pollutants" is all but confirmed??!! With that said I'm pretty sure that would leave the options re; legal remedies open in her case and perhaps for MANY others we've watched file in & fill the cancer wing & related facilities to record-high numbers that seriously tax their ability to treat current & future patients I will be seeing again tomorrow during her port flush and zolzex injection into her stomach that I dread because of how it sickens her for 3-5 days after they do it! Of course the Letrozole is not in stock again just one month after they filled the last prescription which implies a LOT by itself! :|


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      • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

        Decent living conditions and corporations are not compatible. Decent living conditions and most governments are also not compatible. Once this is realized the air clears.


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          +311 Cap'n Nemo!!; My wife still gets newsletters & things from her long tenure as a WalMart employee and they were bragging about their program that gave free turkeys & ham dinners and/or vouchers for the holiday dinner trimmings,etc.to NEEDY families of WalMart employees and a comment by another former employee spoke volumes re; the WalMart corporate pat on their own back, "If they paid the proper wages and provided benefits commensurate to the hard work they do their wouldn't even BE "needy" WalMart employee families who couldn't pay for their own holiday dinners"!!! AMEN to that!! It reminds me of the TEPCO practice of paying crap wages to desperate,unemployed employees they "trick" into coming to a job site that is undeniably the most dangerous place to work on earth that carries with it a nearly guaranteed death sentence for those who go there and especially spend time working in the lethal hotspots performing duties that regular TEPCO employees & executives wouldn't dare do themselves!! WIPP seems to be an American example of the despicable state of Fascism that is part of the sickening stench of the New World Odor and make a "giant radioactive space fart" smell like a bouquet of roses by comparison!!! :( This shit HAS to end!! I'll do my part when the 21st Century equivalent of "The shot heard 'round the World" is fired!! Just let me know where I'm needed and I'll be there ready to rock & roll!! :| ….


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    • J.

      Judging from GE's criminally insane decision to cut down cliff side to build the plant, the negligence, malfeasance, and criminal culpability is obvious. I hope the plaintiffs win.


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    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

      Capt Nemo "If Successful, Fukushima Class Actions Could Wipe Out GE

      http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/03/12/66052.htm

      "No one died in the radiation leak set off by a tsunami, but more than 100,000 people were evacuated.
      At $3 million apiece, damages would come to $300 billion."

      "No one died" — the Japanese are immortal."

      Not sure if GE will be wiped out. They will undoubtedly try to limit liability as a "licensee" under Price Anderson 42 USC 2210 to the 500 million dollar limit (in the absence of Congressional intervention) or maybe eliminate it entirely as a "lessor" of the facility, if they can claim that.

      500 million to go around?

      My guess: the 3 million apiece in damages for 100,000 people could turn into a settlement limited somewhere south of $5000 apiece paid for by US, the taxpayers. Of course, with a couple million dollars in legal fees to the class action attorneys as part of the settlement, to encourage them to go for it.

      Maybe even a coupon for a smile too.

      And, that's if they don't throw the game.

      A non-class action New York attorney out of the yellow pages might try to get more than five thousand dollars. With around a 1/3 contingency fee, she eats what she catches. . .


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      • I think it is more realistic to see it the other way round: they are not afraid *because* it would wipe them out. Should a legal court accept a lawsuit against them, they will go on creating enormous profits on paper and paying millions in bonuses to their management crew until the trial advances towards its end when they will suddenly create catastrophic losses and when they are finally found guilty and the judgement is anounced they will just say: oops, we're bankrupt, sorry. And the major shareholders will of course have drawn their capital back. So in the end, the remaining liquidity of the company will only suffice to cover a fraction of the compensation and fines, and hundreds of thoudands of people will lose their jobs on top. Because of this, the government and the public are completely susceptible to blackmail.
        Welcome in the age of globalized markets and corporations. Full credits to Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.


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        • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

          Have you read 42 USC 2210 and the sections it references?


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          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            42 USC 2210(e)
            Limitation on aggregate public liability
            (1) The aggregate public liability for a single nuclear incident of persons indemnified, including such legal costs as are authorized to be paid under subsection (o)(1)(D) of this section, shall not exceed—
            (A) in the case of facilities designed for producing substantial amounts of electricity and having a rated capacity of 100,000 electrical kilowatts or more, the maximum amount of financial protection required of such facilities under subsection (b) of this section (plus any surcharge assessed under subsection (o)(1)(E) of this section);
            (B) in the case of contractors with whom the Secretary has entered into an agreement of indemnification under subsection (d) of this section, the amount of indemnity and financial protection that may be required under paragraph (2) of subsection (d) of this section; and
            (C) in the case of all other licensees of the Commission required to maintain financial protection under this section—
            (i) $500,000,000, together with the amount of financial protection required of the licensee; or
            (ii) if the amount of financial protection required of the licensee exceeds $60,000,000, $560,000,000 or the amount of financial protection required of the licensee, whichever is more.

            (2) In the event of a nuclear incident involving damages in excess of the amount of aggregate public liability under paragraph (1), the Congress will thoroughly review the particular incident in accordance with the…


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          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            And this jewel of an argument for GE if they had lawyers smart enough to structure the deal beforehand so that they "leased" the facility to Tepco:

            42 USC 2210
            (r) Limitation on liability of lessors
            No person under a bona fide lease of any utilization or production facility (or part thereof or undivided interest therein) shall be liable by reason of an interest as lessor of such production or utilization facility, for any legal liability arising out of or resulting from a nuclear incident resulting from such facility, unless such facility is in the actual possession and control of such person at the time of the nuclear incident giving rise to such legal liability.


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          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            It's a "have your cake and eat it too" argument for GE.

            Price Anderson coverage as a Licensee under 42 USC 2133

            Commercial Licenses
            "(a) Conditions
            The Commission is authorized to issue licenses to persons applying therefor to transfer or receive in interstate commerce, manufacture, produce, transfer, acquire, possess, use, import, or export under the terms of an agreement for cooperation arranged pursuant to section 2153 of this title, utilization or production facilities for industrial or commercial purposes."

            And then argue that Price Anderson limits liability to around 500 million

            or eliminates liability entirely if they can prove they're still a landlord on paper.

            Doesn't pass the smile test with respect to the design defects of the SCRAM rods in the Mark I, but some courts have hung their hats on flimsier pegs.


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            • Okay, a little overly lawmakers' speech for the average English-as-foreign-language guy like me, but I get the picture. I am tempted to say (and please mind the irony): bad luck for GE and their shareholders; with the method I outlined, they can probable make much more fraudulent money. Maybe they won't go for Price Anderson after all… At least a limited value of dispute is not the lawfirms' interests – imagine the colossal premium they will be missing !

              Hey, given this potential GE case, plus BP's mess in the Gulf of Mecico, or any comparable former damage caused by major US companies (eg the Bophal disaster in India in 1984 or the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill) or as consequences of questionable wars (eg depleted Uranium induced malformations of newborn children in Iraq or Afghanistan): is it tentatively legitimate to say "It is un-American to pay for the damage !" :-( ?


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              • And please: No offense to the US citizens. I'm only trying to caricaturize the big corporations' attitude.


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                • chevvvy chev

                  I fail to see how the price anderson act, can be applied in international courts, they are not bound by it, therefore we may be able to make these pricks pay everywhere else , except the US.
                  heres hoping anyway!! :)


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                  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                    Unless GE can get the unwitting "class members" who haven't opted out to agree to a settlement that extinguishes all international claims along with their check for 5K and a coupon for a smile.

                    Then GE can march that settlement agreement and the judicial judgment order along with the cancelled check in front of the international court hearing the claims for the rest of the 3million or so per property owner. . .

                    Class members and plaintiffs need to be careful what they agree to. I'm not so sure I even see the value in a class action here at all. Price Anderson has a statutory methodology for dealing with numerous plaintiffs, and a contingency fee attorney has a bigger incentive to maximize the judgment than a class action attorney who will get paid his fee, no more or less, as long as he wins or settles for anything the judge can countenance.


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      • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

        Then again a CT (or DC) attorney wouldn't be from New York.

        Suing the empire, in the Empire State, with a New York attorney, seems a bit loaded.

        In New York, maybe a female, minority plaintiff's attorney (from a tier II law school with a B.S. and a reputation for going to trial).


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      • We Not They Finally

        On the other hand, if anything like that was ever imminent for GE, they would have already transferred their assets into the cancer treatment industry, to "clean up" on the parade of death that they themselves caused.


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      • rogerthat

        "No one died" — the Japanese are immortal.

        That's probably it. Radiation, the new wonder immunisation against death – irradiate the population and we'll all live forever.


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    • Sharpie

      Too powerful. May as well take down JPMorgan with criminal charges. Nothing will happen unless political environment drastically changes.


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    • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

      the new freeway blogging sign i was working on today is going to say… "Hey GE..CLEAN UP YOUR MESS!!" and possibly a "MAKE GE PAY, or BOYCOTT NOW!" theres a corporation that i can't wait to see spinning in a death vortex. tax evading sociopathic fucking baby killers!


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  • SophieQ

    If there is anybody out there that knows about 'crowd funding', here is an idea:
    Crowd fund airline tickets, all other necessary transportation and accommodation/food, that you can send the nuclear shills straight to Fukushima to see with their own eyes the effects of the glorious, oh so clean nuclear steam generators.
    Let them walk in empty, irradiated cities – just like the cities around Chernobyl. With the difference of Fukushima not being able to simply be covered with a sarcophagus. China syndrome times three is doing 'things' down in the labyrinth of a geological formation that are beyond the scope of every nuclear scientists. The subterranean river is getting enriched as it gushes into the Pacific Ocean. And then it come to me, too. It already made me sick in more than one way.
    Can there be a UN-resolution that forces the Japanese government to pay compensation for loss of health to every human being on the planet? What has to happen in order to be compensated for ongoing severe irradiation?
    Just build a huge chimney around the plant that goes straight up, through the atmosphere all the way into space. Like a gigantic exhaust header. Then you blow up a nuke – creating a massive hole with glass like surface and the shock wave will come out of Earth's muffler like a planetary back fire.
    Oh, well.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      You mean create one gigantic Nuclear gas fart! :)

      I am in and there will be no shortage of radioactive beans and bananas, along with billions of lactose intolerant Blood Type O's and they can all drink the radioactive milk to aid in this proposed explosion! :)

      Probably the best idea proffered so far..one gigantic space fart and then all is well!


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    • We Not They Finally

      Why don't we just "crowd fund" spaceship tickets for the innocent humans amongst us who want to check out to the nearest benevolent planet where things like this don't happen? We can dream….


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    ENEnews is having problems with larger posts?


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Now serving the 404 special


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  • lostworld lostworld

    Capt. you're 404 comment is the last one I'm seeing for the article. Will this post?


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    404 is a puzzler as one can post short comments but not long ones. Not sure what condition would cause this?


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    • lostworld lostworld

      I can't really say as my system had a "kernel Panic" shortly after I posted my reply. I really should reboot more often I suppose.


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    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      Fukushima Mon Amour — director of the more famous Hiroshima Mon Amour died recently. Who will direct Fukushima Mon Amour. Maybe it will be set in Montreal. She will be a Canadian psychotherapist who has fallen in love with a crazy man who turns out to be from Fukushima Prefecture–though that place has slipped into forgetfulness. While he is in the mental hospital where she works he begins one day chanting Fukushima, Fukushima . . . She does not know what he is saying. Spoken in Japanese also.
      Unfortunately Marguerite Duras is no longer available either to write the screen play.
      As the story unfolds in its tortured way Janette begins to remember her childhood nightmares about dying from invisible fire. And she begins to approach this strange man through the recollections of her dream life.
      Personally I can not wait to see this powerful film. What about you?


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      • bo bo

        That was a great film Captain. Great concept.


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        • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

          Thanks. Perhaps you might write this screen play. Then make it available to persons here to review and comment on. I have never been to Montreal but my younger daughter loves it. And the film will be best in French and Japanese, I believe.


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          • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

            "Hiroshima mon amour earned an Oscar nomination for screenwriter Marguerite Duras as well as the Fipresci International Critics' Prize at the 1959 Cannes Film Festival,[2] where the film was excluded from the official selection because of its sensitive subject matter of nuclear bombs as well as to avoid upsetting the U.S. [3] It won the prestigious Grand Prix of the Belgian Film Critics Association in 1960.[4] In 2002, it was voted by the international contributors of the French film magazine Positif to be one of the top 10 films since 1952, the first issue of the magazine." –Wikipedia

            "to avoid upsetting the U.S. government"–The USA was barbaric enough to use the bomb but too hypersensitive to deal with the consequences. Oh, my.


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              • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

                Thanks. We need to take this matter into a deeper area. Otherwise, we will burn out like scraps of paper. We need to become like hard wood that burns for a long time and has a good odor. And then there is Fr. Lasalle SJ who became a Zen master and lived into his 90's. He was at Hiroshima when the bomb was dropped; and in his 40's. A German priest. He got very sick. What did he know? He may have become the expert on the direct experience of this horror. There may be something in German about his experience. I will have to look. The Phenomenology of Radiation Sicknesss–a book to be written.


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              • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

                thank you bo for that bit of history. watching that i feel disgust that the american media is so twisted as to parade out the captn that dropped the bomb to shake the reverend's hand. they both look so mortified, and didnt the captn lewis commit suicide later in his life? realizing very little has changed over the years as those who control what is deemed "entertainment" here in the US, felt as recent as the 3 year anniversary of fukushima, that inviting the japanese american community to board the uss ronald reagan for a memorial gathering. (photo op). these things shame me to be american. someone somewhere commented "how many black eyes are we going to take before we stand up and fight back?" so true…


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                • bo bo

                  Thanks for watching that S Kitty…
                  It's comforting to know I'm not the only crazy one that might just decide to watch something like that on a Sat night.
                  The parallel to 'reality tv', entertainment, and so-called 'good will' events today is weird isn't it?


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  • Cisco Cisco

    "Three Years After Fukushima, Ex-Nuclear Chief Lobbies For Worldwide Phase-Out"

    "Gregory Jaczko, who stepped down as chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in 2012, still believes he was right, and says the events at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant show that nuclear power should be phased out in Japan and worldwide."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/13/fukushima-gregory-jaczko_n_4954621.html?utm_hp_ref=green


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    • Jebus Jebus

      This is significant Cisco, and I suspect admin is preparing something…

      US ex-nuclear chief: Fukushima lesson is phase-out

      "The lesson has to be: This kind of accident is unacceptable to society. And that's not me saying it. That's society saying that," he said in an interview this week in Tokyo, where he is giving lectures and speaking on panels marking the third anniversary of the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami that overwhelmed the Fukushima plant.

      Now a lecturer at Princeton University, Jaczko, 43, has become a hit on the speaking circuit in Japan, where all 48 nuclear plants remain offline as the country debates what role nuclear power should play in its future.

      http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/13/6233016/us-ex-nuclear-chief-fukushima.html


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    • bo bo

      Good for him !!! Much respect for his integrity.


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    • Sharpie

      Holy hell, great find Cisco. In the FOIA docs I always sensed an unease in his statements…


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    • "Phased Out" sounds good to me. :)

      This kind of accident is unacceptable to every living thing.

      It should never have been allowed to happen.

      Every effort must be made in order to prevent this from every happening again.

      There is only one way to do that.
      –> Phase OUT Nuclear Power.


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    • J.

      Yes, thanks very much for this. My strong sense from the start has been that Gregory Jaczko is an honest man who was fired for telling the truth. He's proven that now. We need him. There has to be a sustained, global effort to put an end to this technology. It doesn't matter where it's located; the threat is global. Germany can eliminate NPPs on its soil, but remain existentially threatened by neighbor France. Japan can start the long struggle to store the huge quantity of existing nuclear waste, but remain existentially threatened by China's NPPs on the eastern coast. There is no sanctuary.

      NPP=WMD=MAD


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  • Shaker1

    Sorry if this seems out of place as comments now have reached two pages, and my login doesn't want to span pages to connect directly to this comment.

    Stock, you went a bit too far with your comments about Farok Sharif, don't you think?

    "There are a lot of good muslims in the USA, and 98% of the terrorists. I wonder if he had to pass a tough background check to handle waste."

    Just what are you trying to imply here? I did a search, just because you prompted it, and found no reference to him actually being a Muslim. Your 'there are a lot of good muslims' portion of the comment is simply disingenuous apology for your own bigotry or as an appeal to the bigotry of others? And citation for the name and reference again to Muslim background, which was given him, I'd bet, and not of his choice? The link you cite says absolutely nothing in this regard. Care to provide one?

    I understand your anger, have no bones about dislike about him being the head of an LLC that has endangered others in that LLCs business for which neither of us have any use, or even that he's a 'liar' (though that could be argued; is my neighbor a liar because he believes the nuke crap?), but he's no worse than I can see that the hundreds who take advantage in opportunities from real estate businesses to banks to 'non-profits' to health industries.

    Has your anger and zeal taken you too far? This amounts to intentional slander. If you don't think so, cite it in some link for all to see.


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    • 4Warnd 4Warnd

      Yes – a polite and thoughtful rebuttal that was necessary.

      This was gratuitous: "…There are a lot of good muslims in the USA, and 98% of the terrorists. I wonder if he had to pass a tough background check to handle waste."

      Stock: I like 99++% of your posts and insight. But there is a fly in your ointment, oft times.

      Peace.


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    • I admit that it is pushing it, its a muslim name for sure, only .6% of america is Muslim. Those that "converted" often change to a different name, say Frank or something.

      I thought its odd….a Muslim in charge of the nuclear waste.

      He is a lying pig, and he lied in that town hall, he was arrogant condescending and expecting people to believe low level lies….AS HE WAS poisoning them. That is not the same as real estate.

      I knew there was risk in posting. But it is very curious. In an age in which the government and other will attack you for saying Merry Christmas or professing a Christian faith, and then having taxpayer funded trainings in which gov employees are indoctrinated in to how to properly treat Muslims….sorry.

      I wanted to point this out. I think it's odd. AND there is very little information about this guy on the net. I have more information on the net about ME, and I have a very common name. I spent about 45 minutes of research.

      And BTW I have read much of the Koran, it is indeed a quite violent book against the infidels (that be whitey and Christians esp). Go to borders, try it.

      So I apologize to the good Muslims in the USA probably 95% of the .6%. But I stand my ground that this is quite odd. You could also research some of the others in that company too….try it.


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      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Farok Sharif out as president of company that manages WIPP

        Posted: 03/13/2014 03:43:40 PM MDT

        “CARLSBAD >> A leadership change has been made nearly a month after a radiation leak at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant….”
        http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-news/ci_25338130/carlsbad-current-argus


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      • Shaker1

        Forget it stock. Personally, I felt bad writing what I did because I admire you, visit your site, and realize that you work hard. I honestly think that if one reads quite a bit of the Old Testament there is quite a bit of militancy there, too. And I surely don't want to speak of what I see politically is Israel now, no less a marriage or radical religion and politics than Islam, while I know there is a great many citizens there who oppose those policiesm, or what one would hope are common metaphors as 'soldier of Christ' (like Christ needs soldiers anymore than Allah needs swords) but some see them as more than metaphor. Like nuclear, it's a crazy world sometimes that we have to negotiate as best we can, and the map is often stranger than we might naturally be as individuals.

        And, yeah, the guy's gone as president, but I can't see what that will change, so we have to keep plugging about WIPP. I lived in NM during the discussions of its opening beyond what we all thought were just experiments of Sandia and Los Alamos engineers, nothing out of the ordinary in that state. Too many there just didn't know what to do either with the waste that they live with in places such as LANL or how to stop the feds and their money from doing anything they damned well pleased. Promise jobs, and there's no telling what will be done. Just look at where they site drone factories…You're a formidable ally, stock, and I would not like to think of being opposite you. My best to you.


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  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    I'm pretty sure the issues with ENE lately are GOOD ones related to the huge increase in traffic that ENE and all of our personal efforts to put the word out and ensure Fukushima is a word familiar to every household in every irradiated corner of the globe!! I would've ALREADY expected to see soccer moms & Joe Average whipping out geiger counters and scanning produce at the grocery stores at 3+ years into this unending nightmare that IS the post-311 world for those of us who knew & KNOW what it meant the very 1st time we saw the explosions drive the plumage high into the sky with MOX fuel and 100's of radioactive,deadly-toxic compounds that have since subsequently become part of our physical beings LITERALLY via every damning method of transport & ingestion.absorption of the filth that the nuke-pukes have literally & figuratively FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS!!! My own son offended me deeply by commenting on my multiple,papid fire sharing of ENE,etc. links on the morning of 3/11/14 with his comment,"Calm down Jimmy Neutron,between you & my mom you're driving me nuts"!!~GOOD DUMBASS!! maybe you'll figure out why we're so concerned since HE was one of the driving forces & inspiration to be so passionately AGAINST nuclear shitium to begin with!! I didn't even know that my ex was following the issue either but I'm PROUD of myself if I was the one who pointed her in the right direction & against nuclear(?)!! :( kids….sigh…..


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  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    Asking for help, and, perhaps others on this list-serve, concisely, if possible?

    My background is chemistry but am not up-to-speed re: radiation detection and would like a refresher from anyone with knowledge on this thread – Stock??

    I get: alpha, beta and gamma (not a pun intended, am sure I get them).

    CPMs
    bql per liter
    etc., etc.

    What, really is the most relevant measurements for the 'lay-person' with a hand-held Geiger counter?


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    I hope it is becoming evident that the current wet ware has to go. The captains of corporations and the gang leaders otherwise known as national leaders are pushing the world off a cliff. In their labyrinthine and psychotic visions they are no longer rooted in the mammalian realm but have somehow slipped into a solid state fantasy.


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    And when the earth was dead they send a coroner and a forensic pathologist? (They being some galactic dept. that deals with dead planets.) I suppose it went like that, yes. And were the killers hunted down in the afterlife and given extra black karma? That would be my guess. How did they determine who the villains were? My hunch is that there were specially trained detectives who probed the remains and interviewed the few miserable survivors. Survivors? Oh,yes, very rare not to find a few. I can't say they are lucky though. Living like beasts. Frightened and hungry living deep in caves.

    You sound experienced. Yes. Some but that was a very long time ago and only for a few years. They were short of help, and I was young and adventurous. Ah. And the earth? Oh, the usual. Fell completely under the control of psychopathic men and women. They had conjured up something called New
    World Order to justify their crimes and finally poisoned themselves and almost everyone else. Even the plants for the most part. And survivors? About a million. Never seen so many miserable souls.
    We brought in large transports and took them to a clean planet where they could eventually thrive. Meanwhile the clean up crew will detoxify their home. It looks to be a 500 year job. As you may know it was generally a criminal planet all along. We are still trying to determine why. I see. That is where I work now. Fascinating job.


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    • Sickputer

      Mark Silver at National Geographic is a writer and editor. He is not an expert on Fukushima's radiation releases or childhood thyroid cancer.

      His single claim to fame is being a husband to a breast cancer victim. Actually has a lecture tour on the subject.

      Whoever put him up to the false assertions about thyroid cancers in Japan we can only guess.

      I suspect he was paid well to present the nuclear industry viewpoint. He should apply for a job with the WHO.


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      • Sol Man

        It may not be appropriate to make an ad hominem attack, however in Mr. Silver's case I would make an exception.

        In the article we see a misuse of authority for him to write this article with this point of view.

        ERROR! ERROR! ERROR!


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      National Geographic, another great one bites the dust.


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Gundersen is wrong about at least one thing. It is probable that we will not be around to notice in one hundred years. And in the meantime another good earthquake may obliterate Fukushima Daiichi entirely.


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  • glass door glass door

    This seems important:

    Re: Gregory Jaczko, former NRC Commissioner

    "Three Years After Fukushima, Ex-Nuclear Chief Lobbies For Worldwide Phase-Out"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/13/fukushima-gregory-jaczko_n_4954621.html?utm_hp_ref=green


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, it's Here and it's Now! :(

    Shut all this Nuclear Crap down!


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  • waiono

    http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/03/11/42726/fukushima-faq-5-things-you-should-know-about-water/

    two posts up, two posts deleted…who knows? maybe "public" radio will relent and allow free speech…

    maybe someone else can do better.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Yep, Gregory Jaczko, and former Prime Ministers of Japan, Junichiro Koizumi, and Morihiro Hosokawa, all calling for worldwide nuclear phaseout. Hopefully, the next President of U.S. will have a clue too.


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  • Sol Man

    On one side of the argument we have the People that want a clean world full of alternative possibilities and the chance to live a vibrant cancer-free life, and the other side is the "leaders" that support the death wish carrying bags full of money.

    The world can scarcely be more out of balance with Life!


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  • Nick

    The problem for us all is to realize that Fukushima has altered/will alter things forever.

    Nuclear anything has already poisoned our biosphere beyond repair.

    All that is left is to de-grid our loins and go hiking.


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  • Thanks Mr Gunderson for laying it on the line. The monied crowd happily risk public health and continue to use our beautiful planet as their personal private dumping ground to turn a handsome profit. Sadly it's not just the nuclear industry but this short sited method is applied to all aspects of our economy from big oil to the concept of encasing water in plastic to drink. Everyone including you and me need to think long and hard about our daily choices. These politicians and industrial leaders are no better, actually far worse then the meanest crack selling junkie you can imagine. Jail them all at least until we get free beer or something for our troubles. Plutonium dusting this planet is just insane.


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    • name999 name999

      Reading through the paper today, found info on new research into "bioluminescent plants".
      These designer plants literally glow in the dark…sounds hellish, but this is the kind of shit that is going to be growing around us, perhaps designed to be radiation compatible? Applied hormesis?

      Another article writes of the Pacific Ocean near LA, claiming that ocean water is a "terminal sink" for nitrogen oxides and smog, permanently removing them from the air. Like the pollution just harmlessly disappears into the water, especially at night…how mysterious!

      Our majestic ocean reduced to a terminal sink. How true.

      People are being softened up for the look of a very different environment.
      Immense grief. Lament for the Pacific Ocean: Fukushima The Opera. Classic pathos. Thanatos.


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      • mairs mairs

        Well, in nature there is bioluminescent algae. At certain times of the year a boat will leave a sparkling trail in the ocean as it disturbs the algae, and we used to scoot our feet through the sand at the beach and watch the luminescence flare up.


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  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    Here comes an age of artistic expression of a greatness the world has never seen.


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  • Business people pissing away Mankind's future. Zero artistic expression.


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  • Nick

    Fukushima has already bled to death.

    What remains is the carcass, a deadly one no doubt.

    But the flesh and blood of one of the world's largest nuclear power generating stations has been spewed hither thither and yon.

    Not just spatially, but temporally as well, for eons must pass before the radiation diminishes to life-loving levels.

    That tinnitus in your ears should tell you something is wrong.

    The skip in your cesium enriched heart is a reminder.

    The wakeful nights a warning.

    The roller-coaster of emotions.

    The bloody nose.

    The shortness of breath.

    Take heed all, Fukushima is here to stay.

    Hey hey my my Fukushima can never die….


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  • kirinseti

    The fact that nuclear anything exists is suspect. When you have to come up with very calculated measures for bone and tissue and what can harm it with this stuff, you are already playing God with a fire that won't be put out. And this is to prevent litigation. The fact you're going to die from this stuff is a given. It's just a matter of how much until the lawyers get into it. And this is what the scientists without a conscience "care" about.


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  • yellowrain

    thanks for the link Rodger
    Hey @Admin why so scarce on the news lately?


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