Published: September 5th, 2012 at 5:35 pm ET
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Arnie Gundersen Press Conference
Sept 5, 2012
At 8:45 in
I was able to ask [Tepco and NISA] questions for the very first time since the accident.
And frankly, I was surprised and appalled by their responses.
It was as if they were wearing blinders.
Published: September 5th, 2012 at 5:35 pm ET
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Arnie gunderson is really a actor from hollywood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGKF_OOgsSk&feature=plcp
They use actors to appear like they are on our side delivering the facts, but every single thing they say is spoken with the intent to minimize as much as possible
remember this headline
Gundersen: “I think Fukushima Daiichi released somewhat more radiation than Chernobyl” (VIDEO)
If you cant see the minimization in that youre blind, this guy is supposed to be the ex VP of a nuke company, If that was real he would have awareness of the extent of the damage on day 1. A real whistleblower would not let you forget that there are already scores of workers at the plant dead, and children with lumps in their throat, a real whistleblower would post a map of the radiation on the west coast, not vaguely mention some hot particles…remember how he went to tokyo and only took five samples…? Who would only take 5 samples? oh ya and his wife got in a low speed carwreck the week before the trip and couldnt go…arnie does not care about you, or anyone in japan. Every appearance on CNN is money in his pocket.
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wow, the ultimate keyboard warrior. fyi, you are a [REMOVED]. he does more in one day than you'll do in your life.
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http://enenews.com/gundersen-they-tried-to-crush-us-our-house-was-foreclosed-on-there-was-bankruptcy-we-were-followed-harassing-calls-sued-for-1-5-million-video
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Gundersen: “I think Fukushima Daiichi released somewhat more radiation than Chernobyl”
Arnie said that 6 days ago, 6 days ago
Arnie wasnt threatened because he works for them, hes on their side
If youre not a troll I hope you figure it out, but otherwise I hope your thyroid is the first to go, and not some innocent japanese kid
Go away you troll
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Read the comments below and you'll begin to realize that you are the troll. A clueless troll.
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Nicely said timebomb
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+ 1, timebomb. My thoughts exactly.
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I am very critical with Arnie, but I believe he is no paid shill.
If he were, he wouldn't have coined the term "chimney effect reactor" for the AP 1000 design, which is probably not exactly helping sales.
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Even though Gundersen is careful with his wordings, he is still actively pursuing a far more safer nuclear world than it is today.
And he is one of the rare one who dares doing it with such dedication and with so strong demands. Do you know he was very seriously harassed by a nuclear plant?
If he would be more harsh, he would loose all his credibility within the Nuclear industry and loose any chance to make a positive contribution and change.
Asking for the changes as he does makes him already an ennemy of most of the industry.
I suspect you are a pro-nuclear activist who is trying to go after him in order to have him shut up. the industry bought some people before to go after him so that he shuts up! So I would not be surprise.
Else you are a anti-nuclear extremist, which is really ok, but Gundersen is our ally because he is pushing the industry to improve in our direction.
I don't understand why you would want to discredit him so much. It just does not sound natural to me.
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you'd obviously be the go-to guy on this, so please tell me what it feels like to be a useless, counter-productive pissant? arnie is one of the dearest friends humanity has at the moment.quit whining. how many soil samples have you taken so far?
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Japan and the world is in denial about this nuclear accident. The only hope is to act on Gundersen's suggestions, which are based on facts.
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Arnie is my hero and I hope Japan embraces his recommendations moving forward. Thank you Arnie for keeping us, and more importantly, the people of Japan informed and injecting hope with your compassion.
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Good work Arnie. Using your lifetime of experience to assist the world.
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IMO Arnie G. is a gift seldom experienced. I appreciate that some might prefer he deliver his message with more blunt, even accusatory language. To my observation, that is simply "not his way".
To my observation, from his core, he appreciates the potential for "defensive reaction" to unwelcome message. He appreciates that people busy "digging to defend position" can't be receptive – and by 'rules of normal human psychology', there's a fair amount of resistance in minds of those who need to shift. He's using language that may be most effective.
IMO, the world needs other voices also, voices that are direct, blunt, and appropriately accusatory. But we also need a "slew" of Arnies. (I've only listened fairly carefully to first half.)
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Dear Maggie123,
'He's using language that may be most effective.'
Yes, thank you Arnie
Aloha.
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Let those that don't like Arnie suggest someone else that has done nearly as good a job at calling out TEPCO since 3/11/11…
All of us that have been around since then are dyeing to hear your reply
OVER…
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Be sure to listen to all of it. 55 minutes onward he explains the time-frame for decommissioning…. And he simply could not be any more honest..
"In 90 years there will be 8 times less radiation than there is now…And perhaps in the best interests of protecting the people that will have to dismantle this plant to wait for 60 or 90 years to get the exposure low enough that 1000's of people will not be overexposed."
"My response makes me very sad, I don't want to admit that we're talking about 3 generations of Japanese having to face that problem. But I do believe it is realistic."
No he does not list all the radionuclide s etc etc…he so very simply says it like it is, with out all the details…but simple enough for anyone to understand…to hear the Truth…
And for him to be in Japan telling them that…is a great responsibility he has taken on.
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Thanks MaidenHeaven … as I typed comment above sound was on, I heard, "My response makes me very sad, …" and felt Arnie must have sustained his style throughout. You're right, "a great responsibility" – he has and does step forward to meet it. I have deepest respect and appreciation for him being who he is, doing what he's doing.
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I have to be perfectly honest right now. I am tired of hearing about the horrific exposure to the poor Japanese children, when so many American children and folks on the West Coast are bearing the brunt of the eastbound tsunami of radionuclides without a peep from anyone. Where is their voice? Who will speak up for them when their windpipes become restricted from diseased thyroids? Hey Arnie, when you get back to the States, why don't you investigate our West Coast with your geiger counters and report back to us. Perhaps you can get a reading while you ride Disneys matterhorn.
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Hi hbjon … By posting comments in support of Arnie I don't mean to dismiss any individuals or groups anywhere who're presently dealing with radioactivity contamination – on the West Coast, or even elsewhere in the world from non-Fukushima sources. I don't even mean to dismiss suffering that has nothing immediately to do with radioactivity.
I don't think anyone here is "prioritizing" as if one group's issues are more pressing than another's. It's just that Arnie was the focus here. (and the entire site is strongly focused first on Fukushima, with attached wider concerns often discussed.) You probably already know what I'm saying or mean to say.
I agree – it *is* discouraging, sometimes *very* discouraging, to be keenly aware of a very real need – in this case directly related to Fukushima – that appears neglected. It's good for me to be reminded to prevent my 'over-focus'. Thank you.
(I doubt Arnie will necessarily become the voice for the American WC and other contaminated regions except in general remarks – but who knows – and if not he, then someone surely will!)
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Arnie has done a great job and in a non-accusatory manner. The fact they seek the advice of a non-Japanese nuclear consultant speaks volumes.
Guess what American nucleocrats? The people in Japan don't want any more nuclear poisons. They have had more than their share of the enormous grief when Pandora's box is shattered. Their health is rocky and the beautiful land has been scarred forever. Refugees, scared parents…terrified children. Toxic dangers lurking in every bowl of food. Organic farmers in Fukushima feel like a hara kiri tanto lodges permanently in their stomach, killing them ever so slowly,
I wouldn't blame the citizens for being angry at their occupiers as well as their government.
They have paid a dear price for nuclear power plants and electricity too deadly to meter.
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Well said Sickputer, Well said indeed.
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The Blue Light
It is good to hear from you.
I was thinking about some of your previous comments.
I hope that you are well….
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The arnie bandwagon comes out in force with a collective unified voice!
This whole website has to pull Arnie's gunderson out of their mouths…
This is simple math…everything posted to date about fukushima has been riddled with lies
Could the only guy who tells you everything you know about fukushima be lying? Hes the only person…you know how easy it is to control one person.
How could anyone say something like "I have to be perfectly honest right now. I am tired of hearing about the horrific exposure to the poor Japanese children…" like the commenter above?
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FYI: A. Gundersen is not the "only guy who tells us all we know about Fukushima." This great community gets its information from a multitude of sources, compiled and shared here by clever and compassionate minds.
Something tells me you won't fit in.
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write on! Bravo yes the list is long!
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troll, pure and simple.(emphasis on simple)
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As well as can be expected at my age, perhaps some of those nuclides have come home to roost. I hope you are well Majia, I haven't posted much for awhile, it seems like the old faces are a bit thin on the ground. I miss Doc and Sue and I dont see Joyb anywhere.
It's 03:51 here so I think I should go to bed, Good night Majia and good night all on Enenews, where ever you might be tonight.
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Sorry to miss you before you retired for the night.
JoyB still posts here, but not regularly.
Doc is gone but he can be found on Before its News, where he has been documenting through photos the effects of the BP oil spill.
Others have left also. I am glad that you still drop in….
best wishes
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Yes those handful of nuts that got banned..tragic
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Gundersen: “I think Fukushima Daiichi released somewhat more radiation than Chernobyl”
Arnie said that 6 days ago
HES A SHILL
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What do you think Chernobyl was? A puff of harmless smoke?
Reportedly, just 20% healthy children in some areas
DNA damage increasing through insect generations – yeah, what about the humans
You don't care, Chernobyl didn't deposit much in the USA, compared to Fukushima. Therefore Arnie is a shill in your America-centric world for not calling Fuku a million times worse than Chernobyl.
Prick. Selfish, selfish prick.
Or a nuclear shill trying to sow discord?
Humanity won't be dead in 1 year due to Fukushima. Not in 30 years either (humanity, not talking about individual humans). 120 years? Eeek… but same goes for Chernobyl. Think positive – the coming apocalypse may be just regional. In both cases.
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He is a warrior doing what he can. Thank you Arnie for putting yourself in harms way.
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yes.
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Seems a few people can't handle Gundersen telling the world the nuclear industry has no way to safely store nuclear waste. Ever.
But he's the only one telling it like it is.
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I appreciate Gunderson's work very, very much.
However, I have also seen him avoid discussing issues.
In one of his recent interviews Caldicott pushed him on unit 3.
After being unable to change the subject, he finally said that not much is known about the status of unit 3.
I think that unit 3 is something he is not able to talk about.
So, I appreciate Gundreson's efforts very much and am grateful for his tireless work, but I also recognize that there are taboo subjects for him.
I don't know how bad Fukushima is but I suspect that people who really do understand have been given ground rules.
Remember Matt Simmons?
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You may be right, Majia. The art of saying what needs to be said without actually saying it mixed with knowing when going too far will render you totally ineffective or take you out of the action all together! Caldicott's more impatient and bold style is also needed. I appreciate the dedication and different styles of both so much! I've noticed before that dialogues between them have a dynamic that works well.
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Hi all. Fukushma vs. Chernobyl
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,20.msg463.html#msg463
Arnie and Caldicott .. earlier interviews may be more revealing
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,21.msg25.html#msg25
Hats off to Arnie for keeping his head on and his lips moving
http://bpwhistleblowers.blogspot.com/
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I don't understand why you would jump down Arnie's throat for some slightly non-super alarmist comments. I mean, he's still over there and his message is pretty consistent and it doesn't appear that he's lying. I don't think he would get his point across very well if he shouted at everyone how deadly the radiation is and how their kids are going to die. He's not saying its raining cotton candy over there though…give the man a break, at least he's saying what needs to be said, listen to the whole damn interview.
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At 23:00
"In the 20th century we needed large central station power plants, but with the advent of the computer we can distribute the generation with many small power plants instead of a few large ones."
There is the pitch for small reactors.
AtomRod is just more obvious.
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Hi Heart, I thought he was referring to local wind / solar / geothermal production as "small power plants". Each building could provide the power it needs or more….I don't see the AtomRod here.
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I can see why you would think that, BreadandButter, since you are focused on solar/wind/geothermal, but Gundersen does have a long history of advocating for smaller "dispersed" nuclear plants:
"We proved to them that would be cheaper to stop construction now and then build smaller plants as the need developed, but they are stuck in a mindset. Because they have spent so much money on it, there is a feeling that they have to go forward. The vote for completing construction was 11 to eight and several other ministers who voted for it said they feel construction should be completed and the plant should be mothballed.
http://www.state.nv.us/nucwaste/news2000/nn10410.htm
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Small reactors means in the US alone 4,000 nuclear reactors. Bill Gates and those who invest in his nightmare will get rich, and everyone rich and poor will die. HotR, how long have you been paid to be a nuclear shill?
NO NUKES, NOT EVER, NO WAY.
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Thanks for that bit of info, NoNukes! I didn't know that.
anne, I think you are misinterpreting HotR's comment.
I mean, come on.
*peace all
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Don't be so naive. Don't underestimate the nuclear shills. Her unrelenting criticism of Arnie and me isn't motivated by an absolute rejection of all nuclear reactors. And let her speak for herself. She can't say that she is totally against all nuclear reactors, because she isn't. She never discusses the ideas, but just relies on personal attacks. There are two areas that she attacks. She is pro Palestinian and she is pro Gates' small nuclear reactors. She is part of the controlled opposition.
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Hi anne, it's been a while since someone called me naive! I don't know what your personal beef is with HotR, I've noticed earlier that you don't get along with each other, but hey, I don't care.
I personally don't consider her a shill, but a strong independent personality (just like you, btw.). I don't agree with her on Arnie, but I don't value her opinion less because of that.
I only fight with people who say climate change is a hoax
*peace
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Yes..he went on to discuss solar..etc.
But this is an actual statement and I find it curious.
I also wonder about..this project management firm..that he is suggesting.
I thought they already had..that..namely DOD,DOE,and NRC..
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Portable reactors are a real threat. I wrote about some time ago.. lot's of political support.. this is something nuclear power opponents should take very seriously…here are some links worth a look at..
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/nuclear/4273386
http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2012/08/nuscale-back-in-action-with-unexpected.html
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000054871&year=2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-my1qxQhlu0
http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-toshiba-micro-nuclear-12.17b.html
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/116853-mits-photonic-crystals-lead-towards-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-gadget
http://www.gen4energy.com/technology/
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Lots of political and financial support..
Bill Gates:
http://nuclearstreet.com/nuclear_power_industry_news/b/nuclear_power_news/archive/2011/03/02/bill-gates-invests-in-small-reactor-technology_2c00_-wall-street-journal-takes-notice030202.aspx
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yes, Heart.. Bill has disappointed me greatly with his nuclear stance.. why spend so much to help the under privileged and then advocate for death and destruction machines? Makes little sense, unless you consider his nature is not so much philanthropic, rather myopic with regards to his own influence on the planet.
Note to Bill.. WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE PLUTONIUM..PERIOD!!!
Maybe you can afford it Bill, but humanity as a species can not afford one more microscopic piece of radioactive dust in our environment!!! We are at the tipping point of no return!!!
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Umm..the very reason..I posted the comment IS..because I want to stop 'smaller" reactors.
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thought so…..
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@@@BreadAndButter. Hi back BnB! (Admin et al pls forgive my shameless OT and stalking response to this dear soul)
Yes .. OK here in Bako. Work way busier than last summer and had posting break from ENE .. which is arse backwards but I needed a break from the Fuku reality so have just been lurking.
Many of my students have become more aware lately via Reddit cross posts in addition to my anti nuke lectures .. "your gen must solve!!"
I send most warm regards back to one of this site's best ENE souls .. you ..
Where's my buddy Richard?
Much hugs and join you all w my most humble endeavors for saving this world.
We may not always agree .. but we care.
Bako
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Hi irradiatedinbako, I just noticed your call out from over a month ago. I know you are somewhat modem dialup based, so thanks for trying to say hi when you can.
Hi Back
.. I've just enjoyed a warm spring afternoon of exercise and even some sun-baking 
I do hope all is well in your world.
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Lol..don't pick on me ..I notice everything..at 18:55 ..he checks his watch.
Just saying…
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It boggles my mind that we are at a place in humanities' history that we would even consider carrying around plutonium in our pockets.. and yes, Heart.. it occurred to me you were not in favor of small reactors..
Also, keep in mind Karl Grossman's reporting on the intention to power the newly allowed drones in American airspace with small on board reactors.. what a mess that will be.. can you just imagine a drone crashing in your backyard, contaminating it for the next 100k years or so??? Corporate America is absurd, and protected by our politicians!
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In this press release, you will see how the tax payer paid for this.. " NuScale’s design development began in 2000 under a DOE-funded research program" “We are grateful that our government is helping American companies recapture the technological lead in the international nuclear power industry. NuScale’s design will do just that….NuScale’s proposal has broad support from prospective customers, economic development organizations and elected officials from across the U.S. As part of the NuHub economic development organization, South Carolina Gas & Electric, a division of SCANA, has agreed to lead the formation of a consortium to license and operate the first NuScale plant at the Savannah River Site." http://www.nuscalepower.com/nr-News-Press_20120521.php
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The corporations strategy is to divide and conquer. Get people to fight each other instead of paying attention to them.
This strategy seems to be working well so far.
But someday, some way, people will wake up to the horrors unleashed on humanity by monopolies in various industries…
This is what this thread could be discussing….
30 Ways The Nuclear Industry Deceives Everyone; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/primer-in-art-of-deception-cult-of.html
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Or this….
The Art of Deception: The Cult of Nuclearists, Uranium Weapons and Fraudulent Science; via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/primer-in-art-of-deception-cult-of.html
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