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Chief Engineer: I’m telling my friends on West Coast of US to watch Unit No. 4 like a hawk — Wake up everyday and make sure it’s standing… have a plan to move somewhere (VIDEO)

Published: May 11th, 2012 at 7:28 pm ET
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Arnie Gundersen Interviewed by Mike Adams
May 11, 2012

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I’m telling my friends on the [US] west coast, you gotta watch it like a hawk everyday get up and make sure Unit 4 is standing… if it’s not, have a plan B to move somewhere.

See also: Gundersen: Move south of equator if Unit 4 fuel pool goes dry, that's probably the lesson there -- Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once (VIDEO)

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111 comments to Chief Engineer: I’m telling my friends on West Coast of US to watch Unit No. 4 like a hawk — Wake up everyday and make sure it’s standing… have a plan to move somewhere (VIDEO)

  • WindorSolarPlease
    May 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Why wait? If you can, take a vacation. You have a choice get stuck in traffic or vacation now.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes
    May 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    People concerned about R4 SFP will want to check out Nuckelchen's latest video on the Webcam Thread:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI0R38ZGPE&feature=plcp

    "nuckelchen
    May 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm · Reply
    we are going better and better.

    now we have our first private automatic hourly video lapse archiv from fukushima.

    nucky proudly presents

    THE LIVECAMERA CHECKER
    (administrator=454541919)

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jnnlivecam

    @ tepco: SO WHAT?

    …
    hbjon
    May 11, 2012 at 5:12 pm · Reply
    Did the thing fall? Looks hollow in there.

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    NoNukes
    May 11, 2012 at 7:14 pm · Reply
    +2. According to the diagram here:
    http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2011/03/15/why-fukushimas-spent-fuel-rods-will-continue-to-catch-fire/

    The R4 SFP no longer exists where it used to, you can see the ocean through that area, as far as I can see. Please tell me that I am missing something.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI0R38ZGPE&feature=plcp

    Where would the world be without Nuckelchen and THE LIVECAMERA CHECKER
    (administrator=454541919)?


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  • NoNukes NoNukes
    May 11, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Can you find sfp 4? I can't right now on JNN cam
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B09Xl22MIyg


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  • StillJill StillJill
    May 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Where's Waldo?


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  • majia
    May 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    It seems to me very clear that spent fuel pool #4 is no longer there.

    The latest video of the workers captured from the TBS cam (I think) showed a blackened, melted #4

    The TBS wemcam today shows the blackened mess and very little else left of the 2nd and 3rd levels of the building…

    So what is going on here?

    Tacoma suggested that all the alarm about 4 was a strategy for getting the international community in without explicating the scale of the disaster

    Perhaps. That makes sense.

    Any other ideas?


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    • Sickputer
      May 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm

      To paraphase a famous sea battle: Where is SFP 4?…the world wonders.

      SP: I haven't seen Obama or Arnie for that matter fly over me headed south so I am guessing it's still there. Maybe like a landlord with a vacant rent house they don't want to show it off with its guts hanging out.

      Remodeling in progress.. One broken wall at a time. I am not concerned until I get an eyewitness whistleblower on Twitter. Lots of weird squall line thunderstorms in west Texas tonight.


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      • NoNukes NoNukes
        May 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm

        Sickputer,

        Where would it be? It is/was big, and you can see the ocean through that whole area now.


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        • Sickputer
          May 12, 2012 at 1:05 am

          From reading today's hot flame war at pro-nukie Rod Adams blog… I think i confirmed in my mind along with visual evidence of the cranes really working hard today and the strange blue light… I think they are pulling off a Chernobyl suicide mission.

          They have constructed an adjacent pool (the blue light) and they are putting as much fuel rods in it that they can grab with all kinds of cranes from Unit 4. The hard to extract fuel chunks are being left behind temporarily with now more water to cool them.

          That's my story and and I'm sticking to it until I learn otherwise.


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    • Bobby1
      May 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm

      majia,

      Did SFP #4 fall down just recently? Or has it been down a long time?


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      • majia
        May 12, 2012 at 12:56 am

        Good question Bobby1

        Maybe the industrial light was put up to block the view of it burning at night for the last few months.

        Maybe it finally cooled down enough for that visit to the blackened ruin the other day…


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  • Sam
    May 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    SOS from Local Official: I can’t take it any more! “Black dust” over 5.5 million Bq/kg — They’re going to do what? Spring athletic meets? Swimming pool opening?

    this was from an earlier post. Could SFP4 be gone? This is an astronomical
    radiation reading. how come these reading were not there after Reactor 3 SFP etc went up in a mushroom cloud. too many unknowns.


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    • NoNukes NoNukes
      May 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm

      Excellent point, Sam. 5.5 million Bq/kg is quite a bit. I am so glad that you are here, even though I wish none of us needed to be. Thanks.


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      • Sam
        May 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm

        NoNukes; Gundersen tells us to look at the building to make sure it is still standing.
        Do we have any statements by him indicating the pool is still there? We need him
        to comment on this ASAP. If this is the case and the fuel pool is gone, then Tepco
        et al have been masters of deadly deception. Then this
        ELE event has happened in slow motion and no one knows!?


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        • anne anne
          May 11, 2012 at 9:05 pm

          I personally think that there are numerous reactors in meltdown and that there is no where to go. Focusing on SFP#4 takes away attention from the Common Spent Fuel Pool and all the other reactors in meltdown across Japan. The Rokkasho and Tokai Reprocessing Plants are a mess also and who knows about all the other hundreds of nuclear waste disposal sites across the country. I think that TPTB are quiet because there isn't anything they can do except incinerate and spread the radiation all over the world.

          I read somewhere that the Illuminati think they just they are going to be reincarnated – no one else. They obviously are very deluded or they would be doing something.


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        • StillJill StillJill
          May 11, 2012 at 9:15 pm

          I recall thinking,….the world won't go out with a bang, or a whimper. It'll go out,….and no one will notice. Except you and me! :-(

          It's almost funny,…….in a very sick, ugly way!

          But,…..it's always darkest before dawn,….and,…..I've long predicted 'it' would encompass the 'season of the locus't,….which is May through October. Those are the days,….(if it's this year,…this May,…this NOW),…..that if they were not cut short, no flesh would survive. Well, they will be cut short.

          I think we are in them now.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters
      May 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm

      Sam, we don't know readings that high were not there before, because of problems with disclosure of information. It appears, though, it took awhile for the black dust to coalesce together in certain areas.

      Minamasoma has had very, very high levels for a really long time.


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  • Nigwil
    May 11, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    As I've said before, there is nowhere to go 'south of the equator'.
    Africa and America are not in a position to feed another billion people.
    Australia is a desert/flood zone that has trouble sustaining food /water supply due to climate extremes.
    New Zealand is too small and by 2070 will be drought stricken over much of its productive land.
    The Pacific Islands are either drowning or in drought/storm cycles, and few are sustaining their local populations without aid that will not be forthcoming if Fuku goes boom.
    So folks is gona have t make do with where them is at. And if they don't like that prospect, they better go see their local elected representative and make a few things plain; to get some action.


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  • WindorSolarPlease
    May 11, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    If they see masses trying to move to a safer area, I would imagine they would close the borders.

    Not everyone will be able to move. Only the strong and ones who can afford it. The poor, sick, elderly won't be able to.
    Unless out of the kindness of their heart those who move, also take these people with them.


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  • trinityfly trinityfly
    May 11, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    ..as I have been trying to do for some time now. Maybe a discussion of things to consider on bugging out?? There has been a deafening silence on this topic. If Arnie is concerned….WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED. I think it should be thought of as an insurance policy to actually have thought about it and say the scarey words….BUGGING OUT!


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  • demo demo
    May 12, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Best wishes, many moons. Where you going? How?
    The Gundersen interview is reassuring. "Solvable"
    Dry cask storage, YES! "It just takes the NRC saying, 'Do it!'"
    The US "revolving door" between corporations and gov't is called "ascent into heaven" in Japan. Ha! Ironic if the ascent into heaven is the path to hell.
    Relative risk discussion is vital, but was unfortunately skipped.
    "Sooner or later, in any 'fool-proof' system, the fools are going to exceed the 'proofs.'"
    NRC took bribes and botched inspections. So we have to MAKE them do it. For that, we need people who aren't bugging out or giving up. Maybe bug out to Occupy D.C.


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  • demo demo
    May 12, 2012 at 1:02 am

    All the Brazilians I've known are wonderful but Spanish is easier to learn than Portuguese. Hope you can get Brazil's nukes shut down. In case you're willing to exchange contact info: missn.democracy@hushmail.com Bon voyage!


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  • Sharp2197 Sharp2197
    May 12, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Watch it like a hawk" with the disinformation and mis direction nobody even knows the status today. How will we know when it falls, or runs out of water? If we learn 3 months later, it will be too late. I think it is too late now, running and hideing only prolongs the fate.
    Our population has reached an astounding 7 Billion on earth, but I foresee a decline, in the next 20 years for the first time in thousands of years. A huge increase in birth defects are coming, your life expectancy will start to lower, cancers will increase. It is a new mother nature taking over. And she is getting us all.


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I say the real treason shows it's face with all the cameras and spy stuff that there's no up close camera feeds #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6 and every other damned nuclear disaster

    Such a feed MUST have public (NOT GOVERNMENT) oversight and ain't allowed to be tampered with by NSA, MI6 or whoever.
    In short we need a nuclear sheriff, who is paid and controlled by the public (NOT GOVERNMENT) to keep things straight.

    Even without all my creative mind driven utopia here… There must be a California Representative Camera there. We are getting hit by a dirty bomb right now, and for all the DHS nonsense, the truth is they have no plan except fema coffins.


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 8:40 am

    I ask.
    How about a California Representative Camera feed?

    We have a freaking embassy for Japan right?
    Okay well either the Japaneses government is our friend or our foe.

    If it's our friend, it will allow us to place a close camera with diplomatic and also without government interference.

    A PUBLIC Representative for California, with full authority of the Camera and the ground under it becomes California. (are you getting my visualization yet?) Preventing the truth from any organization or government would be akin to a act of war.

    I can't write my oath breaking reps anymore, if you can. Feel Free to take this idea, and light it up.

    I predict at some point not allowing international help will itself be an act of war.

    If such a war were declared. (Like the US has done that right lately)

    Then that would mean, we would eventually overthrow the Japanese government and deal with Fukushima ourselves anyway.

    What's insidious is the DNA damage – IMO. Even if humans could re-spawn fast enough and not look like "glass corn" or "babies with two heads and no working useful limbs" how will the knowledge be passed on to fight the cleanup?

    The nuclear industry doesn't think far enough ahead, or else they are a bunch of thugs who are gambling with Extinction for profit. This has to stop. IT WILL STOP.


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 8:41 am

    There's like millions of cameras in London for the Rothchild Olympics which does NOTHING to solve our problems–it's bread and circus–yet how about some decent cameras at Fukushima?

    ZEROBURGER!


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
      May 12, 2012 at 9:27 am

      The obsession with CCTV in London started with the IRA, as far as I know.


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
      May 17, 2012 at 10:29 am

      Better yet, how about a LAW requiring not only a ring of LIVE INTERNET HD cameras on every nuclear material containing building, but also a LIVE set of radiation monitors around every nuclear installation, with print outs via the INTERNET so anyone can monitor what is going on minute by minute from anywhere in the world.

      BTW, we can also vote via the Internet now. No more need for 'representatives' who are corrupted by monopolies.

      Direct Democracy.. how sweet it is.


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  • jec
    May 12, 2012 at 8:49 am

    @nuckelchen GREAT VIDEO! And your video page capture –genius. Yeh yeh, we keep saying that, but its true. The documentation is lifesaving.

    On off the grid living, get a sailboat! We have a over 50 ft boat, all self contained, a floating house/home, with water makers, offshore items such as medical kits, supplies for several years, MOBILE. And ready to go anytime to head South or north or East. Provides great peace of mind…Seriously, a sailboat uses natural processes to move..and is a floating life support system.


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 8:49 am

    [OFF-TOPIC: 9/11 info goes in General Discussion Forum for non-nuclear issues; Alternative Energy has it's own forum as well]


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 8:59 am

    For anyone who might have followed me on sacxtra.com before I quit my show and put all my websites down on JAN 1st 2012, after the NDAA passed. You know I was taking readings. I know I ain't some nuclear scientist, but I learned it, I tweaked it, and I set my own floor to know what's up. I test when I feel like Testing, nobody pays me.

    Victoreen CDV-700 Model 6A
    +1/8" audio jack mod
    +dollar store counter mod hack.

    Documented Now as
    "10 minute tests"

    Note:
    (The months closer to 311
    the #'s had to been 800's
    or even 900's)

    counts day month year
    0816 28 Jun 2011
    0694 23 Jul 2011
    0674 31 Jul 2011
    0638 17 Aug 2011
    0619 18 Aug 2011
    0681 19 Aug 2011
    0624 20 Aug 2011
    0624 28 Aug 2011
    0586 03 Sep 2011
    0604 05 Sep 2011
    0661 09 Sep 2011
    0643 13 Sep 2011
    0594 29 Sep 2011
    0623 04 Oct 2011
    0590 10 Oct 2011
    0559 18 Oct 2011
    0571 08 Nov 2011
    0514 25 Nov 2011
    0574 09 Dec 2011
    0505 07 Jan 2012
    0447 01 Feb 2012
    0366 27 Feb 2012
    0391 09 Apr 2012
    0355 01 May 2012


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 9:06 am

    One last thing.

    I remind everyone to change their AIR FILTERS. (when you change it wear a mask, get it outside quick but "unbumped" and bag it.
    Chances are there's HOT PARTICLES on it!

    Ya already know about water trucks and dust vs nuclear fallout and rain. So I won't say that one.

    I hate the media now. Everything I see on it now is pure propaganda torture to me. Every story a lie.


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  • SacxtraTV
    May 12, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Something just hit me.
    A hypothetical question.

    If there are hot particles in your AIR FILTER of your home, if everyone mailed their representative the used air filter would it be considered home grown terrorism?

    Also, those nuclear on the street scanners looking for nukes (you know the fake DHS terrorism insanity)… did they re-calibrate them correctly in light of the fact we got dusted by Fukushima? I see some poor guy got pulled over after chemo, So I assume perhaps they have actually had to re-calibrate. LOL

    That's just so insane I had to laugh there.


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    • andii
      May 12, 2012 at 9:21 am

      "if everyone mailed their representative the used air filter would it be considered home grown terrorism?"
      I suppose the question is how much does it have to contain to be classified as terrorism. 1, 40, 100Bq? Hold on! That can't be right cos that amount is in the food sold in Japan lol So if we give a christmas gift containing Japanese tea, would that count as planned murder then? As Japanese govt said, you won't die immediately.


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      • SacxtraTV
        May 13, 2012 at 8:07 am

        A day later and I probably should clarify (yeah I don't want the DHS making my life any worse), SO I CLARIFY RIGHT NOW…

        "do not mail your officials your dirty air filters."

        This was hypothetical discussion to make a point that it's the hippocracy of the whole thing which was my intent to point out.

        IF we already HAVE dirty air filters (because we are sucking down fallout) what does this say about the fear of dirty bombs?

        At some point the realization has to be, the dirty bomb is already here, it's name is Fukushima, and the (oath breaker enabled) DHS is doing jack about it.

        andii basically nailed it, as anyone with common sense should.


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  • Mothercares
    May 12, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Hi Sac, I was wondering about your readings 800 to 300+/-, what was that from? Also, thank you for taking your life into our hands. Sometimes, I think we don't show our consideration towards others and we need to be humble, in Light of what is going on.


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    • SacxtraTV
      May 13, 2012 at 7:56 am

      Pretty self explanatory, you turn on your Geiger Counter, let it warm up.
      Next using a digital watch, plug the counter into the speaker jack — Time count begins — , and yank the cable back out after ten minutes — Time count ends –.

      The number on the counter when the cable is yanked out at the ten minute mark, is the 10 minute count.

      I simply picked the same location to do the test. I actually have more detailed information like The exact time the ten minutes.. Example might be from say 2:45 AM to 2:55 AM (For brevity and purposes of just showing a big picture over time I have left out this detail, as it doesn't matter in the big picture.)

      Unlike people who have high end Geiger Counters, I had no need to worry about what any pre March 11, 2010 radiation floor historically was, because I simply wrote my own floor from from scratch from the numbers across time beginning from when I put the device into use. It also means I don't care about expensive calibration since it already has a built in DU sample

      Is it a scintillator? no. Is it a high end device? no. It's what I could get, as soon as I could get it, since nobody in the corporate owned propaganda media, nor anyone in my own corrupt psychopathic government was talking.

      In short, healthy fear about the literal censored blackout of information, drove me to get answers. IT has also opened my eyes to the hippocracy of DHS spiel about dirty bombs, when the stuff is already coming down from the sky.


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  • Mothercares
    May 12, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I do not know about the water trucks and dust. Since, just recently they cleaned our streets?


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    • SacxtraTV
      May 13, 2012 at 8:18 am

      Mothercares,

      If you've ever camped at a Nascar event, you will notice water trucks watering down the dirt roads to keep the dust down. It's dust control.

      Well, when it RAINS, same principle as a water truck, except the DUST has the fallout in it. So when it rains it, it's taking it out of the sky and putting it on your head if you are in it, or the ground, ditches, water supply, plants, etc.


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  • norbu norbu
    May 12, 2012 at 11:41 am

    If we can leave is this a good time to go? In Ca.


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  • StillJill StillJill
    May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Yes norbu,…..IF where you go to has less fallout,…YES,…a million 'yeses'! :-)

    This is a numbers game. How many isotopes can each one of our, 'immune systems' handle?
    How many can they sluff off?
    How long can his/her organs keep up the heavy lifting, (clean-up work)?

    Each day that you (we) move some isotopes OUT,…and successfully limit more from coming in,…is a day back into our lifespan storehouse.

    When our bucket is FULL (of isotopes), we die.

    Keeping the bucket 'manageable' will become 'hand to hand combat'

    Mono e mono.


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  • StillJill StillJill
    May 12, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Oh, and by the way,…you (we) were made for such a challenge as this! :-)

    Test drive your mind and body today.
    She's AMAZING!!! :-)


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  • norbu norbu
    May 12, 2012 at 11:56 am

    where is that, less fallout? Underground? Nevada?


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  • StillJill StillJill
    May 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    norbu,…we are told that we who live up against eastern mountains,….collect the most fallout.

    I didn't make this up. It is figured that the mountains actually 'wring' the clouds of their precipitations.
    We get extra doused.

    I think they say Colorado is experiencing the same thing.

    Having said that,….look at, 'as the crow flies' mentality. South Fla. is pretty far away from Fuku,…as the crow flies. This will only be for the 'creeping isotopes', in my opinion. The airborn ones will make it over LARGE areas of, 'crow fly territory', yes?


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  • norbu norbu
    May 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    little to no rain in the Nevada desert. Florida to much population, oil from BP.


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  • donimus donimus
    May 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Norbu, that's right. Plus the addition of the sickening witches brew known as corexit. Interesting accounts here by a local : http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/

    ~D


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
      May 17, 2012 at 10:37 am

      Corexit is fun, but radium is 'funner'.

      Gulf Seafood Radium Levels; Chernobyl in the Gulf of Mexico; via A Green Road Blog
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/gulf-seafood-radium-levels-chernobyl-in.html

      Combine the two, plus add all of the stuff coming down the rivers from Big Pharma and Big Ag, and all of the rest of our civilization leftovers..

      It is amazing the number and diversity of abuses Nature can take and still stay alive..

      We are connected to this web of life. What we do to Nature, we do to ourselves.

      We are the top of the food chain. All of this stuff is working it's way back up the food chain to guess who?

      Yup, our lovely human beings populating planet Earth… all of the little children, babies, seniors, plus mothers and fathers too.


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