Published: June 27th, 2012 at 1:06 am ET
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Hadn’t seen this Fairewinds video before, h/t rumorecurioso for the upload.
Nuclear Power 101: Fairewinds Examines the Fundamental Advantages and Disadvantages of Splitting Atoms to Boil Water
Fairewinds Energy Education
July 23, 2011
Included in this presentation and PowerPoint is a discussion of how nuclear power plants work, how to cool a reactor during an accident, the effect of hot particles when inhaled, and concerns involving the long-term storage of nuclear waste. This presentation took place at the Nuclear Power Conference held at the University of Vermont July 23, 2011.
At 25:15 in
Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Associates: You’ll hear health physicists talk about… will talk about Fukushima being, I’ve heard numbers as low as maybe a couple hundred people may die of cancer and I’ve heard numbers as high as 2 million may die of cancer. And the difference is not really about that external cloud the plant released in the first few days, the difference is about what the people are inhaling and inbibing now that stays in the ecosystem for a long, long time.
See also:
- Major US Paper Editorial: Some scientists predict 1 million people will die from cancer due to radiation exposure after Fukushima
- Nuclear Expert: 1,000,000 cancers from Fukushima in Japan over next 20 years -- First thyroid, then lung, organ, brain, leukemia (VIDEO)
- Gundersen in Japan: 1,000,000 additional cancers from Fukushima over next 20 years -- Based on university studies after Three Mile Island (1.5 HOUR VIDEO)
Published: June 27th, 2012 at 1:06 am ET
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Is this taking in to account all future releases?
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Can we get some realistic numbers of how many people will have heart attacks or heart arrhythmias due to cesium uptake in the heart?
ICRP always tries to minimize and do the math tricks to minimize concern over risk of damage. Thanks for discussing the dilemma clearly, Arnie.
Will we ever have honest numbers in counting deaths or morbidity due to radiation exposure?
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To put it bluntly, no.
Radiation exposure could only be difinitively tied to cause of death if your exposure was high enough to kill in a short period of time.
You can give statistics that show the likely increase in cancers, heart disease ect but this is simply the chance of having those effects. Even then how many of those exposed to radiation will live long enough to actually develope those health issues? A percentage will obviously die from other factors like age, car/industrial accidents, obesity, pre existing conditions ect…
Please remember statistics are simply reducing humans to numbers on a flow chart. I prefer to try and keep this simple.
How many?
Too many.
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Oops forgot to add.
In science you cannot ever be proven right only proven wrong.
To ask for proof that radiation from fuku will kill x many people is ignoring how science works.
You are only correct until someone comes along and shows you're not.
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Only a single million in deaths for the highest estimate? Over how long a time frame? We have that estimate for Chernobyl already and Fukushima is way bigger and different variables.
Arnie and Helen are preparing to evacuate their families from America if Fukushima throws too many hot turds. What kind of numbers will he project from the safety of South America? Much greater I assume if he thinks he won't survive 7,000 miles from Fukushima in America.
I'm not jealous or condemning him in any way. If circumstances were different I would probably scoot on down south myself. But timing, money, and the desire to leave forsaking less fortunate family members must all coalesce.
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"and the desire to leave forsaking less fortunate family members must all coalesce."
That's a tough one. But think of it this way. If you go now, you may have enough time to get established, and be able to help save a couple more people, if #4 springs a leak.
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Typo… Late night follies… Of course I saw the TWO million figure in the original news release.
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May 28th, 2011
“Fukushima Equals 3,000 Billion Lethal Doses
“Dr Paolo Scampa, a widely know EU Physicist, single handedly popularized the easily understood Lethal Doses concept. “Lethal Doses” is a world wide, well understood idea that strips Physics bare and offers a brilliant, understandable explanation for all the physics gobbledygook Intelligence agencies and their respective governments use to disguise the brutal truths of the Fukushima Daiichi Disaster.
“Three thousand billion (3,000,000,000,000) Lethal Doses of Radiation means there are 429 Lethal Doses chasing each and every one of us on the planet, to put it in a nutshell. This is up from about 70 Billion Lethal Doses March 23, 2011. It is getting worse everyday without any intervention by the US and the other nuclear powers….”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/
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Because radiation is accumulative, all the previous and future radioactive releases around the world further ruin the immune system, and the possibility of survival is lessened with each nuclear accident. Fukushima is only the tip of the iceberg.
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"Note that the lethality of radioactive reactor cores goes up the first 250,000 years they are out of the reactor – not down."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/
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Don't forget that the radioactive reactor core in Unit #4 at Fuku Daiichi is being stored without any containment in SFP #4 for over a year now and was a part of the explosion which happened at Unit #4.
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anne: Many thanks for your comments, which separates the truth about the worldwide effect of Fuku from all the propaganda.
Could you please post a link to Scampa's original article on lethal doses?
Lethal doses is a great simple, straightforward way to look at the worldwide damage caused by Fuku. However, I don't think that "lethal doses" gets to the real question, which is how many "excess deaths" will Fuku cause in the world? But perhaps lethal doses methodology could be used in the calculation of the Fuku excess deaths figure.
Remember that we all begin with about a 50% chance of having cancer during our lives. What's that figure up to now with all the Fuku poisons in the air, water, and food? 75%? 80%?
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When I tried to see something on Godlikeproductions, I got this reply:
SORRY – YOUR IP ADDRESS ….. HAS BEEN BANNED FROM VIEWING THIS WEBSITE
I've never tried to poat anything on that website. I have quoted material from that website to enenews.com.
The nuke industry is definitely undemocratic.
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"If you have been inadvertently caught up in one of these bans please accept our apologies.
Please fill out the form below and we will look into it as soon as possible. "
Looks like they want my name and email address. There is no way that I will fall for that nonsense. Tavistock, SRI, etc., stop trolling the web.
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Godlikeproductions.com (tavistock) – Friend of Dr. Paul or foe? Eerie.
http://www.dailypaul.com/51189/godlikeproductionscom-tavistock-friend-of-dr-paul-or-foe-eerie-must-read
“godlikeproductions”, Tavistock & Internet Mass Mind Control
http://timenolonger.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/godlikeproductions-tavistock-internet-mass-mind-control/
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It's just a derivitive site anyway. But when you Google a topic, it is the first thing that shows up because it is a hub site ( people going there for different topics). I only go there when I'm looking for citations on a topic. The information is always found other places anyway.
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IS GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS A TAVISTOCK OPERATION? SEE LIST OF BANNED WORDS
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=103996
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Oh, come on now. All this talk of cancer will make us develop the real cause of illness. Stress. I wonder if anyone else realizes what other garbage our health professionals tell us. Cancer and heredity. LOL. Could that lie come from the same organizations that try to keep the dangers of radioactivity from us sheeple?
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@hbjon – "Could that lie come from the same organizations that try to keep the dangers of radioactivity from us sheeple?"
i've really begun to believe this is the case.
up until fuku, i had never directly connected rads to cancer on the widespread population (other toxic products regulalry came to mind tho).
but the more i've learnt since, has made me question this whole 'cancer' issue. I mean no disrespect to victims of the disease, I simply have my doubts now about what has been said before.
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Fukushima: Three million of millions of potential lethal doses. 30 05 2011 AIPRI
Fukushima: Three million of millions of potential lethal doses.
http://www.next-up.org/…/Fukushima_Aipri_Three_million_of_millions_o...
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May 30, 2011 – Fukushima: Three million of millions of potential lethal doses. … Ionising Radiations) anticipates its second inventory of fission and activation …
http://www.sharenews-blog.com:8090/helma/twoday/sharenews/stories/6196/
http://www.next-up.or/pdf/Fukushima_Aipri_Three_million_of_millions_of_potential_lethal_doses_30_05_2011.pdf
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http://www.next-up.org/pdf/Fukushima_Aipri_Three_million_of_millions_of_potential_lethal_doses_30_05_2011.pdf
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http://www.sharenews-blog.com:8090/helma/twoday/sharenews/stories/6196/
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"I've heard"..from whom ???
(end of rant)
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Arnie upped the ante from one mill to two. hmmmmmm
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"Arnie upped the ante from one mill to two. hmmmmmm"
That's the first thing I noticed. I was wondering when the estimates would start increasing. Reminds me of the Gulf spill. I kept waiting for the official numbers to match what everyone already knew.
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Actually, this is an unrealistically low estimate, and it is hard for me to believe that Arnie doesn't know that.
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Bleep: +100%. There is too much plutonium in the biosphere now. But what credibility would Arnie have if he put excess deaths from Fuku at a more realistic number, like 1 billion? We need Arnie where he is, slowly educating the public.
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