Gundersen in Japan: Lawmakers told me they don’t believe Tepco or NISA — Crowd laughs out loud when Tepco responds to Unit 4 comments (VIDEO)

Published: September 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 pm ET


Arnie Gundersen Lecture in Japan
Presented by Green Action Japan
September 3, 2012

At 1:31:30 in

Question: I’m curious about the Diet’s reaction to your comment about the Unit 4 fuel pool. Have you seen any indication that the gov’t would be willing to accept outside help?

Gundersen: There were about 10 parliamentarians in the meeting… afterward the parliamentarians contacted me, no they did not believe NISA or Tepco. And the remainder of the crowd laughed out loud when Tepco responded. I have seen no interest on the part of Tepco or NISA about getting other experts involved in the process…

I asked Tepco if they considered using lighter casks…

They said this was the best they could do…

h/t Anonymous tip

Published: September 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 pm ET


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22 comments to Gundersen in Japan: Lawmakers told me they don’t believe Tepco or NISA — Crowd laughs out loud when Tepco responds to Unit 4 comments (VIDEO)

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Thank you pierre for the link.

      This doesn't look good..
      Just hold your breath and don't eat or drink.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    While watching people make fools of themselves….
    While watchng them think they are fooling the crowd..
    One is prone to laugh in their faces.

  • aigeezer aigeezer

    Laughter is a complicated thing in Japanese culture. I wish we knew more about what was intended in this case: nervousness, scorn, disbelief, pity, stress-relief?…

    An academic look at laughter in Japan includes reminders of the cultural difference: "… laughter may still be frowned upon, or at least regarded with suspicion in many workplaces as being a disruptive waste of time."

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Three Rogue Nuclear Reactors are located in mudstone under Fuku. πŸ™ Here is proof:
    TEPCO wanted to slow the rate of contamination of the Pacific Ocean that has occurred since 311.
    They planned to build a cofferdam to keep groundwater flowing under Fuku nukes from reaching the Pacific.
    Wells drilled uphill from the nukes would pump the groundwater out before it reached the 3 Rogue Nuclear Reactors. This groundwater would be tested and pumped into the ocean. The fact that TEPCO is concerned about highly contaminated GROUNDWATER flowing UNDERNEATH Buildings1,2,&3 and contaminating the Pacific Ocean is proof that 3 Rogue Nucleat Reactors are in the bedrock under Buildings 1,2,&3.
    This subject has been well covered on ENEnews, but here is the TEPCO plan with drawings of the cofferdam:

    • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

      The Cofferdam and Well Project was to begin in August. It is now September, and construction has not gotten underway. Why the delay?

      The following is only a guess: Rogue Nuclear Reactors, no less than operating NPPs, need flowing water to cool and moderate the fission occurring within the nuclear fuel. Without water, as we saw during March of 2011, the fuel becomes explosive, flows out of manmade structures (reactors, comtainments, buildings) like molten lava, and releases vast quantities of radioactivity into the atmosphere.

      What would happen if the Cofferdam and Well Project had actually been built? The water table under Fuku would have been drawn down. Water would have stopped flowing over, under, and around the 3 Rogue Nucler Reactors. The Rogue Nuclear Reactors would have heated up once again, boiled off any remaining water as steam, and resumed releasing vast quantities of radiation, contaminating the entire world. TEPCO may have concluded that it is preferable to sterilize the entire Pacific Ocean rather than to contaminate the entire Earth. Japan's continued refusal to share what TEPCO knows with the public blocks us from knowing the facts, and keeps us from participating in the decisions that determine our destiny. Will the groundwater flow past the Fuku Rogue Nucler Reactors and into the Pacific Ocean forever? Your silence is unacceptable to the rest of humanity. End the lies and coverup. Tell us the truth. NOW!

      • Atomfritz Atomfritz

        You are aware that the wall project is gigantic and takes at least 2 years.
        They need 3000 workers for it and currently it's just too hot to do substantial work outside, being packed in Tyvek.
        I hope they start the real work as soon it gets somewhat cooler.

        • CaptD CaptD

          I'm proud to say that I first suggested the Cofferdam idea at least a year ago and got "the treatment" from many pro nuclear folks on HP about it… (I've still got the post saved to disc if anyone is interested)

          The isolation of Radioactive water from the groundwater and Pacific Ocean is of major importance but given the TEPCO factor I have always been under the impression that they will do what ever they can to dump, spill or look the other way while as much tainted water as possible gets directed into the Pacific ocean… Every gallon they "collect" is a gallon they will have to spend huge amounts of money on doing something "with".

          The images of their storage "farm" just makes me believe that it contains only the water with the least amount of radioactivity, while all the really HOT water is being disappeared into the Pacific; which is why Greenpeace had been forbidden to take any water samples or even enter the area!

          If radioactivity was RED, the Blue Pacific would now be called the Red Pacific Ocean…

          • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

            CaptD: Congratulations for the i troduction and development of the Cofferdam idea. A Cofferdam may be the only way to reign in these three Rogue nuclear Reactors deep in the bedrock under Fuku. Keep up the good work. πŸ™‚

        • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

          I hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong, Atomfritz. πŸ™
          I guess we will see if construction gets going this fall as the weather cools.
          Perhaps the solution is to continue the cofferdam around all 3 plants, then build cooling towers. Wells inside of the cofferdam could pump water out to the cooling towers, then inject the cool water back into the groung to cool the 3 Rogue Nuclear Reactors. For the next thousand years or so.

  • dka

    At this point, who cares if TEPCO wants ot does not want outside help. This decision is for the UN and the government of Japan (NISA?) to make.

    • CaptD CaptD

      The decision is really "just" for the IAEA since they have bullied the UN into allowing them to "control" all things nuclear for the UN; and as we now know, the IAEA is a major part of the Nuclear Problem, not the solution to our Nuclear debacle…

  • Anthony Anthony

    I tend to gravitate to the underdog and have a natural respect for people who stick their neck out for them. Arnie is something else. He is a pretty special human being in my books.
    Another person who earned my high props for their honesty and for giving me my FIRST nuclear warning as 311 rolled out was Rachel Maddow. She had a human reaction and her alarm was the catalyst which actually landed me here. Her alarm was what led me to Arnie ultimately. Both of them are honorable comrades I think of as part of this nuclear journey with me. Rachel was loud and clear and CONCERNED in her warnings…. and in the fullness of time she is caught in the GAG and shifted radically from her discussions shortly after 311. Arnie has been the steady course, say enough, profoundly more than others as this video clearly shows. Arnie`s approach has given him lasting and penetrating effect in this disaster.

  • CaptD CaptD

    Two new words to help describe what is happening at SORE (San Onofre Reactor Emergency) California, Japan and too many other places around the World:

    Nuclear Fix*

    The nuclear industries (aka nuclear fascists) policy of donating massive amounts of money to insure that all levels of Government support Nuclear Energy to protect their market share despite it's enormous environmental RISK of yet another Fukushima, instead of supporting less expensive, NON RISKY Eco Friendly Solar energy.


    Nuclear Conflict of Interest**


    A Nuclear Conflict of Interest happens when elected Leaders give their support to the Nuclear Industry because they have received some form of Nuclear Payback without disclosing it to the public.

  • CaptD CaptD

    A Must Read Article, that provides the clearest information about why Japanese MSM is not talking about Fukushima, like we are in the West:

    The Nuclear Mafia Derails Democracy in Japan

    Is it happening in the USA and other Countries because of Nuclear Payback*?

    Those that support nuclear power because nuclear power somehow supports them; no matter what the health implications or other "costs" are for others.

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    No Accident.

    I appreciate everything Fairewinds does but I wish Mr. Gundersen would stop referring to Fukushima as an accident. When everyone involved in building those nucler plants knew about potential earthquakes and tsunami's and decided to build them the way they did they were just taking a calculated risk. They lost.

    Fukushima can be called a "catastophic design failure" or a "man made disaster" or just a "nuclear disaster or a "nuclear catastrophe" but Fukushima should not be called an accident.

  • jon1234

    Read in the past a 1000 tonnes of radiactive waste was going in the ocean daily from the site and if so how much of a concern in general terms is it?

  • CaptD CaptD

    Great News: Future of fossil fuels: Back-up for renewables
    The two largest electricity utilities in Germany – E.ON and RWE – have declared they will build no more fossil fuel generation plants because they are not needed, challenging a widespread belief that the phasing out of nuclear in Europe’s most industrialized economy will require more coal-fired generation to be built.