Gundersen: Important new data shows “other phenomena” at Fukushima plant was releasing nuclear material — Yet to be evaluated by scientists (VIDEO)

Published: March 27th, 2013 at 1:00 pm ET
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Source: The Medical and Ecological Consequences of the Fukushima Nuclear Accident, Day 1
Author: The Helen Caldicott Foundation
Date Presented: March 11, 2013

At 64:30 in

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Energy Education:

This is important data that just came out [...]

There were four radiation detectors that continued to work after the Daiichi accident. Almost all of them didn’t have power, but a couple of them were battery-powered and they just recently discovered the data [...]

The morning right after accident [...] 10:00am, 700 times background [...] then the vents were opened. This is a clear indication containments were leaking well before vents were opened [...]

There’s no correlation between these spikes and when the venting occurred and when the explosions occurred. There’s no correlation. Which means that other phenomena had to be happening as well that scientists have not yet evaluated.

Gundersen’s full presentation here

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46 comments to Gundersen: Important new data shows “other phenomena” at Fukushima plant was releasing nuclear material — Yet to be evaluated by scientists (VIDEO)

  • weeman

    To me this is evidence that they never were able to feed cooling water into reactors after earthquake and fuel in core became compromised much sooner than reported and they are not letting on in hopes of restarting other reactors throughout Japan. Face it your nuclear plant did not survive the earthquake, sorry no brainier now.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      TEPCO has reported days ago that power has been restored to all pumps.
      Can we please move on?

      We seem to want to watch these Fuku webcams when it is night there. Sea fog comes and goes, and heat rises from the ruins and from the underground corium. When Fuku scares the hell out of me at night, I just go back and run the daytime videos, which usually are free of scary fog. The webcams are very poor quality, anyway. Thanks for keeping an eye on them, ENEnewsers, but some of us need to get a new hobby. :)


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Sorry. Meant to post this on webcam thread.


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      • Wotcha Wotcha

        @ PhilipUpNorth And you believe Tepco then? Well, I don't as they are proven lies and hiders of the truth. Yes, the webcams are poor views but it's ALL we have and by watching them we might even get some sort of warning of Sh!t hitting the proverbial fan. :-) I post of anything I see which may be significant and if it's NOT, then that's all good. Better to watch and post for discussion than to ignore it. I am always happy for others to ally my fears. Very comforting :-)


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        • weeman

          I would say if you new the dew point you would be able to determine if it is fog or steam, does it only happen in winter, I don't know but should be investigated.


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          • PhillipUpNorth

            Tepco's admission that it had lost ALL COOLING ON ALL THE SPENT FUEL POOLS last week was highly unusual and concerning.

            The fact remains that if Daiichi becomes too 'hot' Daini will have to be evacuated.

            As of early July 2012, Daini had radiation levels 16 to 33X what they were pre-3/1, they were lower inside the plant than outside.

            This article in The Wall Street Journal expressed concern about how Fukushima Daiichi's radiation levels were causing Daini's to rise:

            July 4, 2012, Fukushima Watch: At Fukushima Daini, It’s Safer Inside Than Outside By Mitsuru Obe. Wall Street Journal

            [excerpted "At the Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant, it may be safer inside the reactor buildings than it is outside them. JRT, which went on a media tour of Daini on Wednesday, found that background radiation levels in the plant compound were around 0.5 to 1.0 microsieverts per hour — some 16 to 33 times higher than prior to the March 2011 accident… http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/07/04/fukushima-watch-at-fukushima-daini-its-safer-inside-than-outside/


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            • Kan warned the Fukushima symposium in March 2013 about nuclear dominoes and Prof. Koide insisted that Daiichi remains the most pressing security threat for the world.

              I work full time and so monitoring and posting about the webcams is a time distraction that I only pursue because I believe people in Japan and elsewhere have a right to know if they are going to be presently assaulted with dangerously high levels of radiation.

              I personally think the recent webcam imagery shows that Tepco has not resolved the cooling problem.

              Watching the webcam and reporting what we see is a service to all those downwind.

              I take exception to the implication that those who watch need a hobby.


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            You're right, weeman: dew point is crucial if you are going to know fog from smoke.
            You are right, majia. Japan–all of Japan– should have been evacuated by now, beginning with children and women. But everyone should be out by now, and Tokyo devoid of all sound, save the wind blowing through the wires.
            Some volunteers must stay to decommission all nuclear plants. People will die, but all people must die. Mothball nuclear right now, Japan. Before it's too late, and skyshine begins to drive the people out, and the workers away. This is a priority for species survival.

            This is all I need to know about Fukushima at this time:
            http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif

            As the people of Earth begin to understand what this map means, the level of concern will certainly increase. FUKUSHIMA IS HOT! The Pacific Ocean near Fukushima is hot! "Cold Shutdown"? I very much doubt it, Japan!

            Your objection to my crack about people who monitor the webcams at night is well taken, majia. This was by way of self-reflection. I meant by this statement, that: I NEED TO GET A NEW HOBBY. :) We already know that Fukushima has lessened the number of our days on Earth. All of us. I can no longer justify further use of the precious time I have left on Earth participating this much on ENEnews. I will still touch bases from time to time. Peace. Out. End nuclear power!


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        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          You are a hero, Wotcha! Peace.


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        • We Not They Finally

          Wow. Don't attack PhilipUpNorth. He's obviously a good guy. His top comment was SARDONIC.


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      • I posted the data from sensors… they haven't had working system since Def 15 or so.. slow rise in temps.. then, day after they claim fixed..? it wasn't.. and then we get strange things happening and ALL SENSORS DIED!.. so, please explain to me how they can even claim all is well..? Now we have fire on site.. so..?


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        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          PattieB: They have been using strong "work lights" at night to mask the flames coming out of the ground from the nuclear fires below. They will find out before the end of 2013 that most spent fuel assemblies are too damaged to handle for removal. Fukushima is much worse than the "Worst Case Scenerio." Japan is toast. Love your work, Pattie. (Though Corium1&2 remain near the surface, but under the buildings, IMO.). Peace.


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    • BINGO! The outer containment cracked right away during the earthquake. The EARTHQUAKE. Not the tsunami as they would like everyone to believe. And very soon after that, the core was compromised and then it moved outside of the reactors.


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  • "700 times background…"

    That's significant!

    What if all of the detectors had been working?


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    I'm with weeman on this one. This points to the earthquake causing more harm than the global nuke industry wants to admit.
    Recently NRC Commissioner Magwood gave a speech in which he references the tsunami multiple times but the earthquake only once. The whole industry has their talking points and "earthquake" is not one of them.
    Magwood's speech
    http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1307/ML13078A431.pdf


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    • Thank you enoughalready45. You're right on and they want everyone to believe that it was this super rare "act of God" that caused the meltdowns. But we know better. It was the earthquake that broke the reactors and there are many earthquakes throughout the world everyday! So it is just a matter of time before this all happens again somewhere else in the world.


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      • American Phoenix57

        or "acts of Godlike Corporations and Governments". . .

        "Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."
        - William Cohen, former U.S. Secretary of Defense, April 1997.

        "Technology of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."
        - Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages (1970).

        "We have discovered that the military in the east and west has developed new technologies which could attack the planet and transform it into a weapon itself! This technological process is by no means controlled by the public. Moreover these technologies can be used everywhere on the planet as plasma weapons, weather wars and geo-engineering."
        - Claudia von Werlhof, Professor of Political Sciences and Women's Studies at Innsbruck Austria.

        THEY (The Hierarchy Enslaving You) have been making earthquakes "happen" for a while now. And tsunami bombs have been around since the 40's.


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      • pcjensen

        it may not have been an earthquake. Stuxnet is a likely culprit – based on curious reports on events leading up to the explosions… and – those explosions… much like 911, they need thorough examination


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        • VanneV anne

          Re: TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS ON FUKUSHIMA MOX FUEL PLANT, RELEASED BY FRENCH WIKIPEDIA SISTER SITE
          “As early as May 2001, Greenpeace called to abandon the use of MOX nuclear fuel in reactors in Fukushima, in proceedings conducted in the United States. As shown in the letters sent to the Nuclear Regulatory Authority (facsimile below). At issue: the nature of the facility in Fukushima (type "BRW" boiling water reactor ), the complexity of product development and the requirement of a detached meticulous control of the manufacturing process

          “The NGO was based on a study 1 conducted in 1999 by Lyman ES [en]. The researcher analyzed the impact of MOX on the outbreak of nuclear accidents in Japan. And the organization to conclude on the increasing ‘risk of an accident fusion reactor heart’ for the sole use of this fuel, including ‘the physical properties that are different from a regular engine, powered dioxide uranium, affecting thermal and mechanical performance of fuel assemblies. ‘ (p.35)

          “In particular, the MOX is highly reactive melts much faster than enriched uranium. "Its melting point is lower , "said Lauri Myllyvirta to OWNI in charge of energy at Greenpeace International. Its role in current nuclear accident, however, remains unclear, says activist:


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          • VanneV anne

            [cont.]
            “In the line of sight of Greenpeace, Areva, the leading provider of central Fukushima – and whose subsidiary, Melox , holds 95% market share of MOX. Areva plant supplying uranium-235, as shown in one of the export licenses issued by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), responsible for supervising nuclear activities (see below). But it also feeds into MOX since September 2010 ..

            “A relative lack of connection to Shaun Burnie, an author of the Greenpeace report in 2000 which was entrusted to OWNI. According to him:

            “MOX is the most dangerous substance on the planet, all substances combined, more than uranium. The financial stakes around the MOX override the knowledge of its effects on public health.

            "’Within half an hour after the earthquake, all the people who know the business Fukushima could have imagined what would happen was predictable’ , says even the English expert, who denounced these risks since over ten years.

            “On the sidelines of the complexity fuel, Greenpeace also pointed the finger at the poor standards of quality Belgonucléaire in charge, in the late 1990s, the MOX assembly, before refocusing on the production subsidiary of Areva :

            “What the evidence shows is that the product has not Belgonucléaire sufficient assurances that the nuclear fuel MOX Fukushima-1-3 was produced to the highest quality standards, and that in the event of an incident would remain intact.”
            http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1406340/pg1


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        • VanneV anne

          BUSH PLAN FOR NUCLEAR POWER AND PLUTONIUM
          INVITES NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS AND PROLIFERATION
          17 May 2001

          "’The Bush Administration's call for a major expansion of nuclear power and for reconsideration of reprocessing and use of plutonium, an atom bomb material, as reactor fuel, is a 21st century siren's song. This invitation to catastrophe is especially worrisome because it is so misinformed….’
          http://www.nirs.org/nukerelapse/background/ncionbushcheney.txt


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          I say. maybe..both..HAARP and Stuxnet..
          The military loves over-kill and most want in..on the 'fun'.

          "This data shows us that a HAARP military installation was broadcasting the known earthquake signature frequency in order to trigger a major earthquake. The broadcast was most likely being transmitted from a floating HAARP system like the floating Sea-Based X-Band Radar platform that can be moved anywhere in the Pacific or Atlantic ocean under the protection of a carrier strike group – like the USS Ronald Regan. Where was the USS Ronald Reagan on the morning of March 11, 2011? According to a Stars & Stripes March 9, 2011 report – Reagan carrier group steams toward South Korea to join exercise?"

          http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/haarp-
          magnetometer-data-shows-japan-earthquake-was-induced/

          Renowned Pakistani Columnist Nusrat Mirza Accuses U.S. Of Artificially Causing Japanese Earthquake: ‘The U.S. has Carried Out a Second Nuclear Attack on Japan’
          March 31 2011

          http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/renowned-pakistani-columnist-nusrat-mirza-accuses-u-s-of-artificially-causing-japanese-earthquake-the-u-s-has-carried-out-a-second-nuclear-attack-on-japan/

          Stuxnet:

          Cracking Stuxnet.

          "Stuxnet malware is reportedly a contributing factor to the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Clue … virtually every control system failed or reacted wrongly to emergency conditions."

          http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5230

          Yoo-hoo..UC.Berk Nuc…


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            (cont)Nuclear Engineering Dept…why so quiet?
            Is this about…MONEY??
            Get out of your offices..take a stroll on the beach..see what you are conspiring..to cover up.

            Stay awhile..breathe and swim in radiation filled air and waters.
            Fall into the arms of your sweetheart…


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    JAPAN | Quake damage to turbine blades found at Tokai Posted on July 14, 2011

    Damage to turbine blades, apparently caused by the March 11th earthquake, has been found at a nuclear power plant in Ibaraki Prefecture, eastern Japan.

    The Tokai Daini plant, about 100 kilometers north of Tokyo, automatically shut down in the quake. The operator of the plant, Japan Atomic Power Company, has been checking the plant closely since May in a regular checkup scheduled to last 6 months.

    It says it discovered friction marks on the blades and other parts of the reactor’s turbines.

    The company believes the damage was caused by the March 11 quake as similar marring had been reported in another plant in Niigata Prefecture in the wake of an earthquake in 2007.

    The utility says some parts were also found missing from a device that injects coolant into the reactor. It also discovered cracks in equipment attached to the upper parts of the reactor.

    It says it is investigating whether those defects were also caused by the March quake.

    https://fukushimanewsresearch.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/japan-quake-damage-to-turbine-blades-found-at-tokai/

    ~this report states 2 known instances of QUAKE damage at 2 nuke plants in Japan. How many other instances of nuke quake damage worldwide have occurred but were never reported to the public?~


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  • pcjensen

    Awesome quick on that, thanks Arnie & ENENews. Docs are here for all of you to plunder: http://nowarnow.wordpress.com/ Fukushima City, TEPCO & MEXT data posts as of this morning 27 Mar 2013.


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  • pcjensen

    Of course, they are in Japanese.


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  • pcjensen

    if you've examined the photos of the interior areas post explosions, you really have to "think outside the box" on these events. It rally looks a bomb went of… trajectories, angles, intact pieces, blown away pieces… too curious to settle on one "apparent" cause. Serio.


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  • irhologram

    Wow. I just posted something that is "awaiting moderation." I didn't know I was that controversial, although what I posted was thought provoking…to say the least.


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  • irhologram

    Let's try it this way…l look up the full report. Eliminate spaces to understand what I'm saying. J. im. St. one Fukushima.


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  • irhologram

    Cen sor ship ALERT! ALERT! I posted this at 8:18 am, so for more than two hours my web link has been under review. Quote: Your comment is awaiting moderation. March 28, 2013 at 8:18 am
    Now…our understanding is that non-attack comments are not restricted by ene, right? Here were my original comments:
    Didn't it bother any of you that after the NINE(!) quake, there was NO VISIBLE damage on videos before the tsunami? Didn't it bother you that with a NINE(!) seismic event, we DIDN'T see damage up to 1000 miles out…as we should have? Didn't it bother you that Tokyo, only a 100 miles away wasn't damaged by the NINE(!) earthquake? Is reporter J im St one's. investigation true? I don't know. But when I see NO VISIBLE damage after a NINE(!) earthquke only a few miles offshore, LOGIC says OF COURSE something else was going on. Apparently "something" doesn't want the link here, for some reason. So you'll have to research j im st one s. ab a toge. Fukushima. Omit spaces. .


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    J.S..isn't the only one thinking in that vein..

    Japan Fukushima Earthquake Tsunami Hoax
    April 10 2012

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD1A24qt-lM


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  • irhologram

    Wow. So you DO censor, considering some ideas to be spam. At least its good to know it's not "them,". Too much courage may be rubbing off on Arnie from Ms. Caldicott for his own good. @pcjensen
    A nine in the ocean would have sent a MAJOR tsunami in all directions, my gut says, and it would have certainly affected other areas, rather than what appears (to me) to be a highly directional, targeted, 15 meter surge (from Rose's video…49.2 feet….did I hear that right?). It even went UNDER not OVER the overpasses!
    Historically? March 27, 1964 was Good Friday, but the Christian day of worship was interrupted by a 9.2-magnitude earthquake — the most violent ever recorded in North American history. The resultant tsunamis devastated the western North American coastline (as well as hitting Hawaii and Japan), causing the deaths of 121 people in locations as far apart as Alaska and California. Waves were recorded at heights of up to 100 feet, and a 27-foot tsunami obliterated the tiny Alaskan village of Chenega, killing 23. The earthquake also caused permanent changes to the geography of the region, with areas of land in Alaska dropping up to 8
    The quake in Chile of 8.8 actually shifted the earth's axis and may have shortened the lenth of days! http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/earth-20100301.html. http://brainz.org/10-most-devastating-tsunamis-recent-history/. http://brainz.org/10-most-devastating-tsunamis-recent-history/


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  • irhologram

    On July 12th, 1993, 80 miles off the coast of Hokkaido, Japan, a magnitude 7.8 earthquake sundered the earth. The Japanese authorities responded quickly, issuing a tsunami warning, but the small island of Okushiri was beyond help. Just minutes after the earthquake, the island was bombarded by gigantic waves — some of which reached a staggering 100 feet in height. It was too much for the island’s tsunami barriers, and certain areas were struck by a barrage of multiple waves. One hundred and ninety seven of the earthquake and tsunami’s 250 casualties were inhabitants of Okushiri (Hokkaido and southeastern Russia were also affected) although lives were saved by memories of the 1983 tsunami that had struck the island 10 years before, prompting a swifter evacuation.


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  • irhologram

    Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onagawa_Nuclear_Power_Plant, also directly on the coast…which reportedly suffered 100 foot waves only experienced a fire… From top 10 site above…. March 11th, waves of 33 feet (note descrepancy) were recorded following a 9.0 magnitude earthquake — though some reports list terrifying heights of up to 133 feet, with waves traveling 6 miles inland — as well as a colossal 97-foot wave that smashed into the coastal city of Ofunato. According to Reuters the Onagawa nuclear power plant was the closest nuclear power plant to the March 2011 earthquake epicenter. Humm!! How about that!!


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  • irhologram

    I'm new at researching this… So…you may have already consider these points. Have stuck to the bayou. But…so many discrepancies… No one agreed on the wave heights. NPP closer to the epicenter merely caught fire with (depending on the report) 2 to 3 times the wave height… No tsunami warning even though a warning system was in place by the 80s…


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  • irhologram

    Ok, I think I misread…you ARE saying it's them… Because of "whatever sites." This was the official site of the reporter that was intercepted. So, word to the wise (of whom I am not one). If you don't want to be on radar, disguise sensitive links with spaces.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Stuxnet, Jim Stone." Just deal with it, Admin. (This is NOT spam). :)
    The theory that the destruction of Unit3 and 4 were caused by small nuclear devices is AT LEAST as credible as the TEPCO contention that all this damage was caused by hydrogen explosions. Hence, Jim Stone deserves due attention on ENEnews, and the words "Jim Stone" should be removed from moderation, IMHO.

    Darn, I had just reached a decision to dial back on my participation on ENEnews, and people start to talk about interesting stuff. Dang!


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