Gundersen: Ocean already contaminated from deluge of Fukushima toxic water — Will stop eating fish from west coast — Cesium at 1,000% normal levels in middle of Pacific

Published: August 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 pm ET


Title: Fukushima nuclear plant leaks: What you need to know
Source: CTV News
Date: Aug 23, 2013

What are the potential risks to people worldwide?

According to [Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer with Fairewinds Energy Education], who says this is the last year he’s eating west coast fish, the deluge of toxic water into the Pacific has already contaminated the ocean.

He says that halfway across the Pacific, scientists are measuring cesium levels that are 10 times higher than normal. […]

“Of course, scientists will say that is still a low level but it’s such a big ocean and there are so many organisms that rely on it… so it’s a concern and it’s a concern that’s getting worse because the plant continues to leak.”

“Migratory pattern doesn’t include the waters near Japan”? Here we see the sockeye salmon’s range includes Hokkaido, Japan. More on Canada’s recent sockeye problems here: Sockeye salmon at dire historic low on Canada’s Pacific coast — “We think something happened in the ocean” — “The elders have never seen anything like this at all” — Alaska and Russia also affected

But according to Dr. Bonnie Henry, the director of public health emergency management for the B.C. Centres for Disease Control, the size of the ocean creates a dilution effect, protecting humans not immediately in the plant’s area from any health risks.

“The dilution factor and time factor means that there are no concerns of health risks in B.C.,” said Dr. Henry.

She added that the Pacific salmon that’s commonly eaten in Canada are not exposed to the contaminated water from the crippled Dai-ichi plant because its migratory pattern doesn’t include the waters near Japan. […]

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Published: August 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 pm ET


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41 comments to Gundersen: Ocean already contaminated from deluge of Fukushima toxic water — Will stop eating fish from west coast — Cesium at 1,000% normal levels in middle of Pacific

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    OK, so why don't we hire Monsanto to make a Frankenstein Giant Jellyfish that has a preference for slurping up bits of plastic and all the little microorganisms that are contaminated with Cesium.. and this FrankenJelly is on it's own dead-end in the food-chain, it will taste terrible to all other critters. It will grow to 8-feet in diameter and will glow in the dark. It will be easy for fishermen to spot, and it can be easy to slurp onto a boat with a suction dredgepipe…
    …now I need to invent a LENR boat-engine that transmutes rad-cesium with tritium instead of boring old hydrogen and nickel.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Well they should use the expanded business model and patents that's for sure. I hear people love these guys and girls too!

  • ProfitOfDoom ProfitOfDoom

    Well the Doc says “The dilution factor and time factor means that there are no concerns of health risks in B.C.,” said Dr. Henry … what about those nasty nano size particles that carry their evil cargoes so effectivelly, the "Nuclear Buckyballs" … $$POD$$

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Cesium at 1,000% normal levels in middle of Pacific Ocean, and all governments doing nothing about it. And not even admitting it.

  • We Not They Finally

    Remember, Gundersen is characteristically CAUTIOUS. And KNOWLEDGABLE. So if he's alarmed, I'm alarmed.

  • Sickputer

    Fast forward six months or two years and the levels become 10,000% normal levels (or 100 times normal levels) and they will say the same lame excuses. 🙂

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    So true! Man I hate the truth and I really wish I could just throw up/heave/puke up this Red Pill! 🙂

  • rockyourworld

    if they're finally reporting on fukushima, it has to be sooooooooooooo bad they wont be able to bury it anymore, no?

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I listened to a radio interview today with Arnie from 3/2013, and I have a much deeper respect for what he is trying to do. He was talking about how bad he felt about Three Mile Island, and vowed to try to keep it from happening ever again. Arnie sounded quite concerned in March, 2013 and was already talking about much of this stuff.

      • We Not They Finally

        Yes. He is one of the "good guys." It took a lot for him to turn around on nuclear issues, because he was in the industry for so long. And he seems to be naturally cautious, but he's not going to lie.

        I think the thing with almost everyone these days is that it is really really hard to work through DENIAL. Whatever we may each face personally, this is THE PLANET and whether or not it physically survives. I think it's a struggle for everyone.

      • mairs mairs

        If you go to his site you'll see that he has been discussing Fukushima from the very beginning of the accident, through his videos. He has always been measured, factual, empathetic.

  • Gasser Gasser

    Would Bobby Mcferrin sing this today?

    Here's a little song the NRC wrote
You might want to sing it note for note

Don't worry, be happy

    In every Nuclear Reactor we have some trouble

    But when we go cheap0 it makes it double

Don't worry, if the unit is operated crappy

    Don't worry, try be happy now

    Don't worry about Earthquakes,

    Don't worry, be happy

Don't worry about Tsunamis,

    Don't worry, be happy

    Ain't got no place to lay your head?

    Actinides came and polluted your bed?

    Don't worry ….try like hell to be happy

The Cancer Doctor say your Obama Care payment is late
He may have to litigate

Don't worry ….over draft your Bank account to be happy

    Don't worry ….if life's radioactively crappy

    Don't worry, sheepel

    Be happy

    Don't worry

    Lie to be happy

Don't worry, Nuclear clean up tax payers
    Bullshit yourselves into being happy

    Don't worry, be happy or will' f—ing taze you

    Be Happy cont'

  • Gasser Gasser

    Here's lie's TEPCO wrote

    You might want to jot this down note for note

    Don't worry ….we've got the Reactors under control
    Don't worry ….fuel pool #4 is safe and will not fold

    Don't worry ….Happily Dieichie is in cold shut down
    Don't worry ….Happily no Corium's melted into the ground

    The Yakuza say they saved the ELE day
    So they don't have to Yen pay

    Don't worry ….Happily Radioactive water is pumped into secure tanks
    Don't worry ….Happily we made a chemical water dam, give us thanks

    Be happy ….we are removing destroyed rods from the pools
    Be happy ….all Sievert overdosed workers are no fools

    Don't worry ….we number crunch Nuclides to protect you
    Be happy ….the ocean dilutes Isotopes through and through

    All Japan is happy ….So dumb world ….Don't worry your ass's off!

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Just to make sure you know why this particular bit of disinfo is on CTV..CTV is owned by Bell whose original parent company was Ma Bell now known as AT&T..

    Bell belongs to the Council of Chief executives whose assets are 4.5 trillion dollars. Its members include GE, Chevron, Shell, Bombardier, Ford, Canadian OilSands, Bank of Montreal, Scotia Bank, Dow, IBM, Microsoft, Pfizer to name but a few. The President and Chief Executive Officer is Mr. Manley, who is a former Deputy Prime Minister of Canada.

    This group plays a major role in the merging of Canada, Mexico & the USA also known as the North American Union. It is based on the EU & we have seen how well that is going huh?

    Bell Canada is a Canadian representative of the The North American Competitiveness Council.

    The North American Competitiveness Council (of which GE is a member) has been mandated to set priorities for the SPP and to act as a stable driver of the integration process through changes in government in all three countries. See member list:

    So CTV had to report on this & would ensure that they protect the members of the CCCE.

    • or-well

      Canadian media has been criminally adverse to reporting on Fukushima from day 1. Their coverage has been an abject FAIL, even compared to US MSM. To be told this is what I need to know is beyond insult. There have been many days when stories emerged that just about anywhere I looked I could find SOME reportage EXCEPT in Cdn. big media.

      The "Club" is too small in Canada to have the fractious infighting and backstabbing among factions that exist in more populous nations.
      "Nice" little Canada is disturbingly well controlled.

  • razzz razzz

    Problem is, this radioactive contamination travels like a underwater cloud in the form of a plume. By the time the envisioned dilution takes place into every connected sea body on earth, we will be dead and the future generation will be cussing us.

    Besides, radiation lasts decades, hundreds, thousands of years and bio-accumulates in the food chain. Never disappears in one lifetime.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks


  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    Razzz… Yes, on the surface of the ocean is a conveyorbelt current that goes from coast to coast.

    Sometimes we all need to shake our kaleidescope to a different rhythm if we are frustrated in finding a solution to a seemingly impossible problem…

    "The Enemy" to all us rabid-greenies proposes to keep promoting extracting uranium from seawater..

    ..surprise-surprise, there's already 4.5billion tons of uranium in the ocean.
    —who's the crazy jackass who put it there when we weren't looking ??
    ====…gulp, Mother Nature?? really?

    …there's 2200 tons of nukefuels gone to hell at Fukushima.

    …what if we could figure out how to make the dilution solution really work ??

    I'm doing more study of the mixing dynamics between the bottom of the Japan Trench and the ocean surface.

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      I know a guy who worked as a reactor operator on a Trident submarine, he's retired now..
      He's a good patriot and doesn't like to talk much about work..
      but he clued me into this;
      our Navy can sniff the entire ocean for parts per trillion of every known radionuclide and regularly maps it out in 3D on a supercomputer.
      We can sniff-out the ocean like a Labrador-retriever can sniff out a stick you throw into the deep brush.

      ..problem is all this good data is rarely used for anything really useful. The data is accessible to those who have proper clearance, but most of the time everybody is watching Netflix, or sleeping.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        So you had a good nap too? I had a good nap and it seems like I take quite a few of them these days..

        Couldn't be from the radiation glowing inside all my bones…I believe..I believe..I believe!

        I want to believe!

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      21stC, I like the way you think. Tax the public for an out of control meltdown, then double your profits by absorbing in for re-use once it hits the ocean. But something doesnt add up yet; We have the strontium being 4 to 5 orders of magnitude larger than previous "background" levels due to fukushima, yet you suggest the ocean has 500 times the fukushima release. I didnt see that figure when I skimmed your linked article. I suggest a different route, off the cuff; since northern Japan is utterly ruined, they should create inland temporary repositories and pump the water through large rubber tubes. Phoenix has 180 miles of canals. Keep the poison OUT of the ocean. Poison will poison the life in the ocean, its that simple

      • We Not They Finally

        That's what I was thinking too. They should have EVACUATED early on. But the thing is, they should STILL evacuate. Then try and force the water inland. Japan is indeed ruined anyway. They need to think about the whole rest of the world — they have NO RIGHT.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    The nuclear community (all of them) knew this "could" happen all along, since the 40's. Others, those not in the nuclear industry, knew it "would" happen. And here we are …messed up lands and oceans, and possibly your baby's lungs, thanks to nuclear.

  • Proton

    So N0W Gunderspin says the pacific seafood is inedible? WOW I remember he said to eat it while it's hot mid June (or so) 2011 after the fallout had contaminated the entire japan-U.S. pacific corridor! What a tool!

  • We Not They Finally

    I wouldn't go that hard on Gundersen at all. He's NOT a "tool" — he's just a scientist and a cautious man. He's been doing A LOT to educate, and he doesn't lie about anything. He just watches, studies, looks at LOTS of factors, and delivers opinions with some caution. That's all.

    So if now HE is finally at the point of making sweeping statements (as he is), you can bank on it. He's turned against an industry that he worked WITHIN for much of his adult life. It actually makes him all the more credible. Me, I was alarmed from the get-go. But if now he's alarmed, then I am REALLY alarmed!

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      yep, I think Gunderson can reach a lot of people – he was my first "contact" with Fukushima – much respect to him….

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I agree Wntf, the fact is Gundersen has more pull with the press and governments because he actually knows the industry, so people cannot BS him. I have respect for him….I don;t know anyone who realized things are as bad as they really are. He is a human being that makes mistakes, but he is hanging it out there now, and that is what I am looking at.

    • Proton

      You gotta remember peeps, he got paid for years by this industry.

      He knows what happened at #3 and why it blew like that…

      My opinion of you is comprised the moment I find yours to be biased…

      My only involvement ever with the nuke industry was help in decommissioning one of the few of these monsters that have ever been retired.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Given the recent course of events, and the words publicly spoken, Arnie Gunderson makes "a guy who worked as a reactor operator on a Trident submarine" look like a natural born killer…

  • Lee Binder

    "cesium levels that are 10 times higher than normal in middle of Pacific" .. folks, which source please is Arnie referring to? This old one from almost a year ago


    Please try to find out, I couldn't.. If indeed he's referring to this Sep. 2012 "News" then this info and data would not be of a whole lot of value ..

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Dear Dr. Bonnie Henry:

    Dilution Factor + Time Factor – Bioaccumulation Factor = Ecocide of Pacific Ocean

    Do the math, Bonnie.
    Any way you want to slice it, we lose. 😉