Gundersen: Radioactive plume to impact West Coast in a year — Not going away after it hits… likely to only get stronger — Fukushima will keep releasing contamination for years to come — Must demand officials test fish and make data public (AUDIO)

Published: August 27th, 2013 at 11:20 pm ET


Title: Breaking News: Entergy pulling the plug on Vermont Yankee
Source: Fairewinds Energy Education
Host: Nathaniel White-Joyal
Date: Aug 27, 2013

At 17:00 in

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds chief engineer: For the people in Japan and people on the West Coast there is a wedge of radioactivity working its way across the Pacific — called a plume — of cesium-137, strontium, and other isotopes. The plume is about a year away from hitting the coast of the Pacific Northwest.

It’s not over, it’s not like it’s going to hit and go away. The nuclear plant is continuing to leak. That plume is 10 times more radioactive than the ocean was before (cesium in the ocean from bomb testing was the only source of radioactivity) and now it’s 10 times that — and likely to grow — because the Daiichi site is going to continue to leak into the environment for years to come.

I think what we all should demand is #1: Get rid of Tepco… we need a first rate engineering firm in there to do it…

The other thing people on the West Coast should demand is transparent analysis of fish. There’s no state organization that’s sampling the fish, no government is sampling the fish and telling people what the numbers are. If the government’s sampling it, they’re not telling anybody — and I’m uncomfortable with that.

I want to know what the number is, I think as citizens, our government owes it to us — to tell us how radioactive the fish are in the Pacific. We’re not getting that right now. There’s probably good science being done, but Citizens are not allowed to know what the government knows.

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Published: August 27th, 2013 at 11:20 pm ET


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97 comments to Gundersen: Radioactive plume to impact West Coast in a year — Not going away after it hits… likely to only get stronger — Fukushima will keep releasing contamination for years to come — Must demand officials test fish and make data public (AUDIO)

  • ProfitOfDoom ProfitOfDoom

    Repost … "Nuclear Profiteers and their apologists" have betrayed all life on earth for greed and power … have your time now for what it amounts to … soon you will be found and compelled to face justice for your crimes … $$POD$$

      • We Not They Finally

        Sentiment good, helpful to petition the West Coast Senators, but the EPA?? We would need to petition to get rid of Gina McCarthy!! Who GOT her job as head of the EPA for the "fine work" she did in turning off radiation monitors when the catastrophe first happened. Then raising the so-called "safe" levels of radiation to lethal levels.

        And Obama will do NOTHING. Except maybe cover his own a– when there is obviously a death spiral in motion. Suddenly he will say that he is on our side and "we've just been informed that…" If even that much. If we are not already knee-jerked into some new destruction diversion.

        I hate being this cynical. I have believed in petitions and protest and speaking out my entire life. But by now, I just want people, ordinary innocent people, at least given the dignity and respect of being told HOW AND WHY they are dying.

        That said, still all luck in gathering signatures and submitting the petitions. I can only encourage anyone who wants to take ANY constructive action.

        • nedlifromvermont

          Try telling that to your Nazi President, Herrn Barack Hussein Obama, Oberfuehrer fuer Nuclear Power Industry, all hail: Heil Obama …

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Be nice…an enlightenment/awakening is slowly approaching our world and we must push on.

            • dharmasyd dharmasyd

              Whether we, homo sapiens, are here to hear, see, receive it or not, "…an enlightenment/awakening is slowly approaching…" and will happen whether we are here or not. Those of us who think we are important and hope to continue, want to recognize it!

              Both self importance and the void are, in proportion, real and valid!

        • Bozo is busy with a possible false flag event Nov13-14 an EMP Kill Shot Drill all conus. Enormous activites Sept28-Oct in preparation and enormous cost TO US of course.
          Gosh we are such influencial people in this country.

          And not one word from him or the media which seem to be the same person. No gizmos to test the fish…nobody cares about anything except gold, parties, balls, award ceremonies and photo ops ..oh of course there's the eternal and never ending vacations and tours to fill in spare time if you are doing bad on the course that's gold course.

          If only we could pick and chose who gets the radiation!

        • hbjon hbjon

          The dark side of the force is strong with some that seek to distract while injecting nonsense about the president of the United States. It is rather comical, but sad at the same time because so many will lose their lives because of the lack of court action to file a simple "cease and desist order", so TEPCO could be removed and have the whole situation put in receivership of a different entity. I can remember back in the day when a citizen could file a "cease and desist order" if a machine was leaking fluids into a drainage ditch. What do the cheerleading, nukeshilling, darkforce spewing posters have to say about all that?

    • We Not They Finally


      • ProfitOfDoom ProfitOfDoom

        Hello We Not They Finally … "THIS IS NOT CRIME AND PUNISHMENT.tHIS IS THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR BEAUTIFUL PLANET." … this also my personal opinion … The stinking corpses of millions of "Nuclear Profiteers and their apologists" will not save our beautiful planet … it tears me as I write this … $$POD$$

  • Cerviche

    Coming home to roost

  • Jebus Jebus

    A failed power plant, a failed country, a failed fishing industry, by a failed technology, right from the start.

    Now, who paid for 50 years of failure?

    Lets zero in on just one US state…

    New Report Finds California Nuclear Energy Has Received $8.2 Billion in Federal Subsidies – Published: August 26, 2013

    DBL Investors examines rationale for subsidizing mature, declining energy sources

    Nuclear energy has received four times more federal support than distributed solar over a period six times as long. While solar is beginning to comprise a significant portion of installed capacity in California, it has received less support than nuclear did in its earliest years. At the same time, the closure of the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) has reduced California's in-state nuclear generation by almost 50 percent.

    The study…

    Nancy E. Pfund & Noah W. Walker. August 2013

    Ask Saint Onofrio: Finding What Has Been Lost in A Tale of Two Energy Sources

  • Mack Mack

    Must be dreaming…this is on the FRONT page of Huffington post:

    Wonder how long it will stay there.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Mack at least we are getting some press coverage.

      Are those horns and that tongue coming from Miley's mouth, found inside our current analog world?

  • The radiation is already on the Californian coast. It surpassed the international date line in march 2012. Ie. The half way point. By march 2013 "the plume" was lingering 450km east of the Californian coast. As of August 2013 the radiation began to travel on south towards Arizona. Hence the Californian tuna spoke. Note all samples were contaminated. Above x 10bq. Ie "due too VIP accumulation. These models were created in 2011 by biogensciences. They are available online as well.
    The radiation was traveling at 8cm a day. "constant rate".

    Admin please read the pdf I sent you…

    This is false information. The radiation is already on the Californian border…

    It's just like mr. Gunderson to understate the current events also note that strontium and polonium have been detected within these. Another miss informative topic Arnold seems to fail to mention…

    • Also.

      It's not a plume.

      It's a river of blood

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      You are correct and why no life is seen on the PNW coast line and it will soon start to move inland..we must be patient for what comith this way!

    • that's the old plume you're speaking of sure it's at harbor.

      this is the new plume resulting form the new surge of radioactive levels and the level 3 if not 7 event that just happened…

      some of us are quite pleased with Gundersen .

      no need to look at some one else's work to elevate the value of your own…i was really enjoying your info till i saw you lash out at someone else…we're all upset…so let's be polite in spite of our true and deep sorrow.

      • Actually plume is misleading. It established a start and end. Secondly I've provided complex studies in my articles which prove my points. Thirdly I've always lashed out on Arnold. As I expect more from a "professional". Terms such as river or stream are more appropriated.

        • Anthony Anthony

          Agreed about the misleading plumes…this whole affair is a bullshit shitshow. Always was and will be. They DO NOT warn us of ANYTHING. What they do is make EXCUSES after the fact. I'm thinking the plume really hit when the Sea Lions were screaming to us for help. Plain and simple. I believe Mother Nature. You always called this an ELE. Case in point, TEPCO Japan GOvt are dancing all around this, freaking the world out really if they were paying any attention. But have they ONCE suggested we are in danger yet?


          Not a peep that we are in danger. Despite and extreme number of negative press this month, not even a suggestion we should evacuate to safety huh?

          Hows that for honest? All they are telling us about what is to come is already come.

          Tacoma, Ill take your intuition and my intuition any day over official press releases.

    • am interested in pdf …. if not here then pls email me directly female dot faust at gmail dot com

  • We Not They Finally

    Thanks, Arnie, for that touch of sanity. And remember, this is a CAUTIOUS guy. Whatever he says, it's probably worse. But at least he is saying it.

    And sure, California is already contaminated! But apparently that is about to get exponentially worse.

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Gundersen is not cautious, he is reckless, reckless with the lives of the children hurt by his disinformation.

      He always claims the threat is in the future, when he knows that it has already happened.

      A dock from Japan washed up in Oregon in June 2012. Guess how big it was? "66 feet long by 19 feet wide by 7 feet tall"

      He is trying to get us to believe that the 66 foot long dock got here over a year ago, but the radiation just can't make it?

      Maybe this is to detract from the recent spikes the radiation coming along the jet stream.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Gundersen has been extremely instrumental in shutting down old, or decaying, or mismanaged nuclear power plants.

        Please state your opinion and leave him out of it. He is saving lives, many more than you or I alone have been able to do.

        • dharmasyd dharmasyd

          Thank you, Anne. Arnie is doing everything he believes he can at great expense to himself and Maggie.

        • NoNukes NoNukes

          Two years ago, Gundersen said that the fuel at Fukushima was like a "cold" pancake, and then he followed that up with saying that it was like "cold" spaghetti. Implying that it would spread out on the floor and then cool, he gave cover for Tepco's "cold" shutdown. That is a big pile of dead bodies.

          Since that time he hasn't said a word, that I know of, to update this image of the fuel, even though Tepco is basically admitting corium is down the road. He has not even apologized for giving such a reassuring picture of a situation out of control. If he has spoken of the criticalities increasing the radiation in the air and water and food of the children living nearby, I would love to see it. He still can speak to the truth.

          Speaking of reckless, Bill Gates invested in a San Francisco company called Silver Lining, they are involved in geo-engineering, "marine cloud brightening," which is to transform our coastal stringy grey clouds into bright white reflective clouds to "help" the climate.

          Guess how? They use ocean water. So all this radiation in the ocean will end up in our atmosphere. Lately our nice fog in the SF Bay has routinely been displaced by the massive scary white clouds in the photo below.

          • Proton

            He(Gundersun) has said a lot of stuff that proved inaccurate; critical thinkers may say misleading…

            I see that smirk when he knows he's really selling the story 😀

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Perhaps Gundersen could speak to Rod Adams..

    Fear Mongering Over Water Leaks at Fukushima Nuclear Energy Plant
    Aug 28 2013

    Perhaps Mr. Adams..should go home and make things out of Legos.

    • We Not They Finally

      Don't know who Rod Adams is. But when other people die, he won't care. If someone close to him dies, he will. But it's not worth the effort with such people. There are genuinely innocent people who need to be reached with the reality of this.

      • ShutItAllDown

        "people who decide to swim in the harbor would have nothing to worry about"

        OK, let's crowd-source some air tickets for Rod Adams and his wife and children to go for a swim in Fukushima Harbour.

        Let's see how tough he is when he's dropped off at the airport!

      • Anthony Anthony

        I would guess you would detest him…. 🙂

    • bo bo

      Wow. Thank you HOR I just read the article. I guess this is why people around me seem to be ok with the situation and I'm pegged as the nut.

      I think I recognize the name ron adams.. he posts on disqus on article, always with the claim, well I'm a nuclear expert here…

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Rod Adams…will promote the industry line to the point of scientific denial.
      He should frighten himself..with his own capability to think outside the box.
      He should frighten himself..with his own complicity in ..Crimes Against Humanity… as his lies endanger the masses.

      He doesn't have to worry about fear in others..
      He only need wait until..he has no other option than accept that he is wrong.
      Then fear will come upon him.
      Then he can go home cry and cry..(hometown like b**tch.
      And so he should…

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        PS.Around here the 'B' word comes with two syllables..Be..then atch.
        Adams fits the bill.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Chuckle 🙂 That's the Spirit!

      • bo bo

        If anybody has any definite proof that he is paid shill, please offer link, I mean, it's obvious to me he is, but this is the sort of thing I need to disprove to people around me, turning over every stone.

        • or-well

          Hi bo,
          I don't think he's paid specifically to be a shill, (he may be) but he very much chooses to promote nuclear.
          His education and training have equipped him to earn, to be employed, in the field. He's on LinkedIn. He tried to make a go of a company promoting an atomic power system, so he's quite the "true believer", wedded to his belief system, IMO.
          I don't wish him well.

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            A'person thing'?
            Even more scary..

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              Sorry…I'm substitute teaching today..and blogging during recess..
              A 'personal thing'
              Egotism..narcissism..etc. then come into play.

              Not good…

    • teamplayer

      The more bad news comes out of Fukushima, the more we can expect to hear from the pro-nuke cultists. They will be gearing up; spreading their propaganda far and wide, even more than usual. Rod Adams of is one of them. He posts around the web as atomicrod.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose


    Japan Nuclear Watchdog Casts Doubt on Tepco Water Leak Reporting

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Actually it's the Japanese Nuclear Regulation Authority..that is backtracking.
    Bloomberg.. willing facilitators.

  • The contamination is/has been at the coast.

    I agree with those comments above.

    Fish have been swimming through this for 2 1/2 years now.

    Where do those contaminated fish poop?
    Where do they die?
    (The contamination can be in their bones and excrement.)

    "…tell us how radioactive the fish are in the Pacific."
    – Gundersen

    The chain of radiation contamination transport vectors does not stop. Until such time as the isotope is no longer hazardous.
    (Which is some cases means it's RADIATING for a very LONG TIME.)

    NOTE: It's not just those specific fish. It's ALL of the PLANTS and other LIFE that are part of the life cycle. That cycle is now broken.

    The chain of radiation contamination transport vectors NEVER STOPS!

    How radioactive are the seaweed and plankton?
    How will this affect whales and dolphin's?

    What about buckyballs at the beach?

    • Anthony Anthony

      Totally agree. And this HUGE NEW outpouring happened a while ago. Its always a delay, to mitigate and damage control.

  • ftlt

    Wonder what "good science being done" means.

    The tonsured acolytes and priests of science in their robes worshiping at the alter radioactive knowledge. Hoping, that someday they "the special ones" will find the grail of pure enlightenment and maybe a great tenure at some Ivy League elite cloistered university – far from the little people and the problems of the world.

    I'm so sick of the term science as being somehow special.

    They are like the rest of us are – good and bad. And heavily weighted to the bad side given the bulk of their work IMO.

    Most have been in service to the beast of capital without question.

    Those few who have raised the voices are far and few between.

    And these often are stamped out by their own brethren. While not a physical scientist – the case of Dr. Norman Finkelstein springs to mind .. Chased from academia for not following the party line. I saw this while at university, the follow the flow of the stream of c thinking of science for hire.

    Hanson is a good example of rejecting the religion of science. A new age Luther if you will. He has put his career and body on the line. And gone to jail for righteousness!

    Certainly Gundersen has suffered for his outspoken words of truth and warning.

    There are too few of these types for me to respect the term science or scientist any longer…

    Science is clearly a greater part of the problem than the solution in practice.

    • ftlt

      Flow of "Correct thinking"

      • ftlt

        Yes, Science is seldom part of the solution – Why??? Simply, because it does pay and it threatens the peaceful dreamy world of their cloistered effete la-di-da academic world..

        Science sucks the big one in the main…


          keep in mind ftlt, virtually every human endeavor is fraught with veins of corruption; from religion to science. Self-serving scum will always find the means to line their pockets at the expense of all others. I'll not dispute your searing criticism of science. By-and-large, you are correct in your criticism. I'd only suggest, as it took science to get us here, it'll take science (and some sincere prayers) to get us out of this nightmare; if that's at all possible at this juncture…

          • ftlt

            After: True with a BIG if.. And of course which science is allowed to flourish in the future a – the good or the bad??


              my take ftlt, is, the human 'condition' will never change; we'll continue to see the best and worst of the species as time goes on.

              Regarding Fukushima, what remains from here on is that we all continue doing what we do out here. We need to remain attentive and guard against those who've been tasked with discrediting the anti-nuke movement; of course, in an equally disciplined and civilized manner. I emphasize these objectives, as it's becoming evident from these last two months of media revelations, all of what we've been suggesting has come to pass. We're all being watched and monitored for what we're doing out here (duh…no kidding?!?). We've got such a brilliant collection of 'thinking machines' out here, our collective contributions are more than likely to become the deciding factor. So, keep up the good work and never allow the corrosive effects of despair to become an influence over our vision…

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                Above..perhaps I was a bit course.
                Happens sometimes..when foks are trying to harm a person..
                I agree we are being observed.
                Observed by some very rough people…who enjoy the masses having their hands tied by political correctness.

                I also know that the opposition watch us day and illustrated by the wordage that returns.
                Here is Rod Adams using the term..cognitive dissonance.

                Where else would he come up with this term other than..Enenews?
                We have had many conversation about this subject.
                Adams accusing others of..cognitive dissonance…ain't that a..(tender

                These type folks make the work harder.
                Immensely harder..

                Australian Green Party’s Christine Milne displays cognitive dissonance between climate crisis and antinuclear
                Aug. 26 2013



                  reminds me, Heart, of the old adage: that it's better to be talked about then it is to be ignored. Besides…maybe…just maybe…they'll get a clue…

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    I don't know..but…I..ME..I feel like he is the look-out…while I am getting murdered by an industry he defends.

          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            Aftershock. I think you will like this sig line of someone at Daily Kos:

            "I used to hope for change. Now I pray for miracles."

    • or-well

      ftlt, ever heard "Science advances one funeral at a time"?
      The old guard becomes too entrenched, too invested in the orthodoxy,
      resists the challenges of new research, new theories, new techniques or multi-disciplinary approaches.

      Science and scientists have been awarded too great a reputation for rationality and objectivity.

      It's not just nuclear physics, it's every field. Scientists deserve no more of a free pass from scrutiny than used car salesmen or politicians.

      One thing about being old, you may get to observe those who were once "young rebels" in their field being denied advancement until they "get with the party line". Getting published, getting funding, getting tenure all matters in the end.

      • ftlt

        Or: Bingo!!!

        • ftlt

          Or: Funny I had just used Used Car salesmen too in another thread… We are of one mind – at least as far, as used car salesmen go.. HAHAHHAHA

          • or-well

            ftlt, saw it!!! I would never say abandon science, but ALL scientists are human.
            (Yes, I reject alien infiltration theory)
            (No, I don't reject scientist as 'pathic possibility)
            As such, they are subject to every weakness/temptation any one is.
            Over my life I've come across stories from science past and more recent of lies, slander, stolen research, deliberate falsification, backstabbing, malicious discrediting, careers destroyed, in fields as diverse as climatology, archaeology, geology, oceanography, biology (just off the top of my memory), not to mention "health physics" or the problem of various 'centric mindsets diminishing work of foreign peers and/or science in the service of religious ideology.


        excellent points or-well…

    • Anthony Anthony

      I respect Arnie for what he has done. He make nuclear even *human* to me. Many people who go against the grain have been beheaded in the past.

    • Anthony Anthony

      I respect Arnie for what he has done. He made nuclear *human* to me. Many people who go against the grain like he has have been beheaded in the past.

  • jec jec

    OREGON, PUBLISH YOUR RADIATION DATA! “At this time, Oregon environmental surveillance data does not indicate higher-than-normal levels of radiation in Oregon,” Modie said in a written statement.

    Have Mr. Modie provide the DATA, not just the words. A chart..showing several years data..say from 2009 to today would be good. Wonder if they can do that? Someone in Oregon better try and get the info, it will take a state resident to get it..

    I tried to get data from Washington State..and they were sounding worried on the phone. And the data I got, only summation to 2009, and then the 'rest of the results are normal.." Go figure.

  • CaptD CaptD

    There is a very good chance that this will also affect everyones property values because of what it will do to the Quality of Life (QOL) for all those that live within 50 miles of the shoreline of North America!

    Why 50 miles, because of the effects of wind born spray particles that will carry contamination far inland!


    Those following Fukushima since 3/11/11, know that not only are things much worse than what is being reported in MSM but there is every reason to believe that things could get orders of magnitude worse should another large earthquake/tsunami strike Fukushima again during the next 40 to 100 years that it will take to fully contain Fukushima, (if not much longer)!

    Allowing Japan to collapse Fukushima and/or dump its radioactive waste into the Sea of Japan (aka the Pacific Ocean) might help Japan save BIG cleanup costs but it will surely increase the global pollution damage caused by Fukushima, especially in North America!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes and no I would say, as there is science that is beneficial to all of us, but the wild pursuit of science and our current technology direction is somewhat out of control.

    These braineacks move forward in unrelenting abandon thinking they can actually correct the problems they create. Wanting to be special and above the rest of the herd and somewhat not unlike a sports competition and/or a survival of the species mantra. Must be first and/or the best and the race is on!

    The key I think is knowing when the wrong choice(s) has/have been made and recognizing these choices right away for their true damage potentials and then correcting/stopping these situations immediately when they are created.

    There are certain creations or things we make/create that we can not fix and therefor these choices should not/have been originally allowed to take place.

    But alas its all about wise choices isn't it and whether scientists and civil authorities/laymen understand the dire consequences of and they decisions they make or permit.

    Nuclear Technology Application is/has been simply one of those bad past choices made..

    We must learn to be much wiser, but then the current spiral/vortex of our human knowledge base may be well out of control with few reigns permitted, as these braineacks try solve the unsolvable choices we had/have already made in our recent past over the next several generations.

    Its quite a catch 22..

    • ftlt

      Obe: The scientific score board is looking pretty much all bad to me…

      99 to 1 for the bad guys… Wonder, what Vegas has on the good guys chances???

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Not according to the market and facebook's CIA stock! 🙂

        Nuke/puke boys and girls will have trouble from this point on!

        Not sure we can ever stop the scientific score board as you can see its moving very quickly these days..

        Let us hope others awaken in time to reverse this present course and direction previously chosen..

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    Three Fuku EQs of 4.5, 3.9 and 3.9 w/i the last 2 days have my attention about any further sinking and listing of unit 4:

    • Kassandra

      That is not good!

      No doubt the nuclear criticalities are responsible

      I'm still worried about a BIG explosion

      Last week there were two days of massive steam eruptions

      This week has been quieter

      I hope it's not a lull in the neutron feast or famine, as described by Potrblog

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks


    Catch-22 (logic)
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules.[1][2] Catch-22s often result from rules, regulations, or procedures that an individual is subject to but has no control over. One connotation of the term is that the creators of the "Catch-22" have created arbitrary rules in order to justify and conceal their own abuse of power.

  • weeman

    Off course the government is monitoring fish, as this accident would qualify as national security, as it's impact could have far reaching effects, to deny us the data is a crime as governments are responsible to the people, at least in a democracy, it's a sham we the people for the people.
    For the times they are a changing.

  • ftlt

    Being a space person… (I'm not).. You might have some input here..

    These guys (scientists) are trying to find ways to mine space and the deep deep oceans as our earth's resources become exhausted…

    They have radio shows about this as progress!!!! And this is but one example of their yuppie privileged hubris…

    Please, calculate the distance of their disconnect from the reality of the diseased/under attack natural world around them aand our "ill" human civilization… They are clearly far far removed … It must be a big number!!!

    By the sweet blistered nipples of the blessed virgin, these scientists can be stunningly stupid…

    Are they blind or just idiot savants that just slipped through the cracks???

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    No, not government. Don't waste your time. We'll need private labs to test radiation. Air is the main problem. As for seafood, it contains radiation.

  • ftlt

    I read Real Climate a bit… I'm always left open jawed by the disconnect and odor of secure scientific hubris on there.. As they calmly debate, the little details of the end of earth as we know it.. Then sign off to go off to their "Capital Driven" real work – that are probably helping or at least facilitating in making things worse… HAHAHHAHAHAHA Natural science!!!!

    Oil Drum . Com (before the EVIL DARKSIDE Koch Bros bought it) was even then an evil place for young working scientists and engineers to go emote their crooked thinking and ill logic about energy… WOW!!! Wierd, place that.. They quickly buried FUFU to the archives… They were strange during the BP spill – scrambling to find traction for their work to have a good meaning/s..

    We are lost in space… Do you have your own spaceship??

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    They do not see this as natural world and they simply see it as a very large petri dish, thus the continual hubris and many problems we see today.

    Most of these are taught educated thoughts..

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks is my mind! 🙂

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The wizard is still handing them out like candy… 🙂

  • Right now there are three level 5 alert sites in the eastern U.S. Many other level 4s. On the west coast there's currently only one level 4, in Seattle. The east has many more nuke plants than the west.

    • teamplayer

      Thank you for pointing that out.
      I remember, post 3/11, that one of the highest readings came from rainwater in Boise, ID.
      Not to minimize what is happening WITH the Pacific Ocean and the impact to the West Coast, but we miss the big picture in the US, if the WC is our only focus.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Wind and sea currents go straight to U.S. …and seems the U.S. Government is uninterested. Definitely something not right here.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Heres another report on the plume… Read carefully, we have about six months here on the west coast, before it hits and I believe it already is washing up upon our shores…

    Ask the seals…

    Fukushima Radioactive Plume Hits U.S. California Coast in Three Years (Map)

    "The radioactive ocean plume from the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster in 2011 is slowly drifting across the ocean, following the inevitable currents and tides of the Earth's waters. Now, scientists have discovered that this plume will reach U.S. shores within three years from the date of the incident."

    Here's the news release that prompted this "revelation"…

    Fukushima radioactive plume to reach US in three years

    Harmless, to whom, people? Me thinks they have tunnel vision…

    And here is the study, visa, mastercard, or cash only…

    Multi-decadal projections of surface and interior pathways of the Fukushima Cesium-137 radioactive plume

    We live in one sick world and soon that will be visibly apparent to even the most ignorant… People like AtomicRod…

    • Jebus Jebus

      You too can have some fun, watching the radioactive rubber duckies wisk towards the source of our nuclear madness to spread their cheer and sickness upon all life…, how fitting and describes humanity on this planet to a tee…

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Thanks Jebus, The projections in these articles were based on a very limited release from the 3/12/2011, and don't account for the continual leakage that has taken place. The kelp beds off of Newport Beach California are heavy with C-137. If the spent fuel pools fall over into the ocean well will have to deal with MOX fuel, and when it hits the seawater-outcome the aerosol nano-particles of uranium and plutonium traveling through the upper atmosphere all around the Northern Hemisphere.

        • Jebus Jebus

          This phrase: "this plume will reach U.S. shores within three years from the date of the incident"
          and these pages of ENENews, along with your critical thinking skills, tell you that the Pacific Ocean, right now, is laced with enough "regular" corium and "new improved" MOX corium radionuclides, to snuff out a great percentage of sea life, that directly depends upon it's viability, to survive in any sort of ecologically sustainable way.
          We have hosed the gulf, we have hosed the pacific, we have damaged the atlantic, we are hosing the atmosphere, we kill our own species for fun and profit, and we do not deserve to be the keepers of the garden anymore.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            "within 3 years" means sometime before 3 years is up. Obviously some has already reached the West Coast and certainly contaminated fish have already reached the West Coast. And regarding air and rain and snow borne radioactive particles, these particles started arriving about 6 days after the explosion of Unit #1. And it is only going to get worse. Then coupled with all the nuclear generated radioactive particles from other sources, it is too much radiation to sustain life on this planet.

            Please shut down all remaining nuclear power plants and other nuclear technology and never build anymore ever. Give life a chance.

            Please do not use any more uranium weapons and armament ever again anywhere, including Syria and the rest of the Middle East.

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      While the idiots in WARshingtoon District of Criminals are thumping their chest without legal chain of evidence over chemical weapons in Syria..'s plenty of proof that the US-Army Corps of Engineers should be hot-to-trot building a bigger breakwater around Fukushima.

      Glaring failures like this to protect the environment and public safety on a scale 10,000 times more deadly than whatever happens in any individual mid-east country, it's grounds for riotous ridicule and merciless lambasting… put these political hacks and militant jerks in the pillory then plaster them with plutonium.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        21st, they should be forced to drink the leaking water….

        • 21stCentury 21stCentury

          nbUSA, that might be the reason why the powerfreaks are reluctant to put the stacked-up radwater in the parkinglot tanks into a tankership.. too much risk Greenpeace will make this tankership show up in Chesapeake Bay…
          …TasteTest, ice for your cocktails ??

  • minkxy minkxy

    whether this is culling of the herd or what, I find the creepiest thing about this is everyone continues to allow it.How we have all become so dependant and powerless over our lives. Sad for the earth, creepy for us. Learned helplessness.Victim status.

  • bdais92

    When you have a small leak and have mass amounts of water pressure behind it(ground water inflow and water injection) wont the hole keep increasing its size increasing the amount of leaking water into the ocean ?