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Retweeted and posted here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/27/japan-fukushima-disaster-_0_n_1171119.html
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And here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/nuclear-power-gregory-jaczko-nuclear-regulatory-commission_n_1160711.html?page=2
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So I watched Arnie’s video.
Like previous he does take on several serious issues, and follows his agenda.
However he still completely sidesteps the most important issues. He does not comment on these issues:
1. Where is the nuclear fuel? Has it melted out, and is it affecting the groundwater
2. He doesn’t even say the words MOX fuel in the video – which is the most controversial point of the accident.
3. He focuses entirely on the #4 fuel pool as the primary risk and another large earthquake as a trigger for that risk. This is 100% totally wrong. We all know the site is emitting radiation right now – today. He doesn’t even mention this! The likelihood of another 9.0 earthquake is very low and they’ve shored up the #4 pool – it’s the least dangerous of the fuel pools.
4. He doesn’t even mention the radiation traveling to the rest of the world.
I like Arnie – but he’s not my spokesperson.
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I can’t go “there” again James. But I respect your view.
Arnie, “YOUR OUR ONLY HOPE” Star Wars.
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There are so few addressing this crisis, I can only hope that someday soon, Arnie will address all the concerns you list. Got to HOPE SO. I spaced … but I was going to ask Langley about Arnie. I’d like to see what his view is.
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when..
tell us arnie where dat mox has gone..
where can it be..
you and dr busby say expensive equipment is needed but how about a professional guess.
is it already twinkling in every lung.
that stuff is ground up real nice and small perfect if one wants to test the volatilization of plutonium mox and it’s airstream distribution around the planet.
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Hi James, I do’t think Arnie is anybody’s spokesperson – gladly!
To me, another big earthquake is of biggest concern. And we’ve discussed here a while ago a statement of a Japanese scientist (seismic engineer, if such thing exists in English), who warned about the possibility of another up to 9.0 EQ around years’ end.
Let’s hope he’s wrong.
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I remember that link BB. Didn’t keep it.
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Certainly another big earthquake is a concern – it always is. But it’s a concern for much more than a single fuel pool. if you have another big earthquake you certainly could have an entirely new meltdown at another plant.
And the probability of another big earthquake isn’t high right now – the aftershocks have now tapered off to a much lower level. Another big one will come – but it may not be for 100 years.
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Hi James, the big Tokai earthquake is overdue. Also, I think even a smaller earthquake might do severe damage, depending on its epicenter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai_earthquakes
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Yes, people in Tokyo have expected “the big one” in their area for at least 30 years, now. They think it’s “due” any time.
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James2, Arnie’s video is very important because he points out who is head of the IAEA and says that the people need to be in charge of his group in the coming year if we hope to change the problems of the nuclear industry. His call for action is very important.
He has in the past said where the nuclear fuel is, has talked about MOX and said that the groundwater in Japan is or will be the most contaminated in the world.
He has in the past explained why SFP #4 is the most dangerous. He has explained that it has the live fuel for reactor #4 and MOX spent fuel and has no primary or secondary containment.
It is naive to not expect another large earthquake which has been predicted by a number of experts. There are experts which say that the nuclear power plants are themselves the cause of earthquakes and the cause of the extreme weather events we are having.
With so many ionospheric heaters around the world, they are the cause of large earthquakes.
With so many dams holding water, this is a cause of the large earthquakes.
The Coronal Mass Ejections from the sun, unusually active in the coming year is a cause of the large earthquakes.
If you look at the volcano activity in the south of Japan which has other volcanoes which have also been active in the recent past you can see that the earth is very active and is a cause of large earthquakes.
The polar shift is a cause of earthquakes.
The methane melting in the north of Siberia and around nuclear power plants is a cause of large earthquakes.
All the linear accelerators and experimental reactors in Japan and elsewhere are a cause of large eathquakes.
All the fracking is a cause of large earthquakes. I posted an article that cited the use of nuclear explosions as being used for fracking, and a underground nuclear explosion in 2009 by the US in the Mississippi basin, and no one said even a word.
It seems you only read some posts partially, and many other not at all.
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TYPO: this group (the IAEA)
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That to me is what makes THIS VIDEO so important. He points DIRECTLY TO THE CONNECTION OF THE IAEA AND NRC. That’s a BIGGEE in my opinion.
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What’s doubly baffling is that the head of the IAEA, Yukiya Amano, is Japanese and his country has just suffered the worst nuclear crisis in history.
The children of his country will suffer due to nuclear energy:
http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/0312quake21.jpg?w=620
Mr. Amano was born in Kanagawa Prefecture where:
– 29 locations in 16 schools were above the 0.23 μSv/h standard and two primary schools with 0.62 μSv/h (October 11th)
– On March 21, 9500 becq per square meter detected in the air
– High cesium was found in the tea
http://news.kanaloco.jp/localnews/article/1110200047/
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this is in whose hands large parts of the world’s fate lies: http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20090702&t=2&i=10724775&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=img-2009-07-02T215749Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_India-407646-3
looks extremely trustworthy and concerned, doesn’t he …
isn’t it amazing, all the things human beings do for $$? The roles they adapt, weaving “truths” as they wish?
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TYPO: many others
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re: “he points out who is head of the IAEA and says that the people need to be in charge of his group in the coming year if we hope to change the problems of the nuclear industry. His call for action is very important.”
I agree with this statement, but I am frustrated because I’m not sure how citizens (of the country or of the planet) might go about achieving this. I wish AG would have offered some suggestions. To whom should people write/petition about making the IAEA be more transparent? It is an international entity that has effectively gagged the WHO. Who might have sufficient interest to respond to such demands and sufficient leverage to be able to exert the pressure needed to change things?
Our present executive is owned by the nuke industry and has been complicit in downplaying/suppressing information about Fuku’s fallout since March. Our Secretary of State showed more concern for economic relations with Japan than public health in the US. Edward Markey has a good record as a watchdog for the domestic nuclear industry, so maybe he’d be a good person to start with? He probably would take seriously these concerns, but I’m not sure what kind of leverage a single congressman could have with a powerful UN agency.
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Do you or others for that matter, rember 2 decades back, and think.
See in your mind from those days or even better of you have images, and see for your self.
I have asked people repetedly, wasnt the SUN Yellow, and Not White as it is to day.
For within a frame of one or possibly to decades our Sun have changed collor and gon to be More vibrant and Stronger.
what has happened.
And what is ongoning right now, with our sun.
Copple that with the Soth Atlantic Magnetic anomality, we are hedding into strange times. Times only spocken of in Myths and we are right now in it.
I am NO domsdayapostel, becouse I dont belive it will happened, but something is, just what is stil lurking in the shaddows.
Contradictory to what people may belive, its also possible that our Earth is infact growing(aka:expanding in size, like when one blows up a balon). And that growt is causing all the weird eathquakes, everywhere.
Hell, even in Sub-Artic zones where its usaly quiet.
Iceland is almoust Jumping up and down, and Ketla is in the back of Every Icelandic head.
peace
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Do you follow Dutchsinse? He focuses on EQ’s and ALL the rest real well. http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse?blend=1&ob=5
Why lookee there. His new post is “International dateline has now moved — this year was strange indeed”
PEACE TO YOU TOO MIKAEL
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Earthquakes are caused by the fact that the crust of the ground you are standing on is not solid, it is floating on the molten core of the earth, and is constantly spreading apart , suggesting you read about ‘Plate Tectonics”
Science is cool.
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If I’m naive and another big earthquake like the one that occurred in March is imminent, then we need to take precautions at every other plant in Japan today…
I don’t think that’s an immediate concern right now. The real concern is how you get the current meltdown to stop releasing radiation and how do you protect those who have been affected already.
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There is a concern for N.America, U.S. West Coast, too.
Washington, Oregon, and California all sit on top of the Cascadia Subduction Zone. It extends all the way from Canada southward through Baja California. The subduction zone extends southward, along the coast of South America. It technically is not considered part of the Cascadia zone. The faults lie in a more or less continuous system along the coastline of North and South America.
The offshore Pacific subduction zone in South America what causes the huge EQ’s in Chile. The same system of subduction zones extends to Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. If one looks at fault systems lying along the entire Pacific Ring of Fire, it becomes clear the entire Pacific is rimmed by oceanic trenches and subduction zones. Humans have only mapped some of the fault systems, so it can be hard to understand how the tectonic dynamics work.
It isn’t safe to place a nuke plant ANYWHERE on the coast of a Pacific nation. Japan just happens to be more seismically active than some other places. It can be argued it’s just as crazy to put a nuke plant in California, Washington state, or Chile, for that matter ….
There are nuclear power plants and spent fuel sitting all along the U.S. West Coast. Consider what sits at the Eureka, CA decommissioned nuke plant, the Hanford site, etc. If there was another Cascadia event, predicted at 9.0 +/- we would have potential multiple Fukushima type events on the U.S. West coast.
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What I meant by “all along the U.S. West Coast” was multiple sites in Washington, California, and one (the Trojan site) in Oregon.
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I should clarify. With respect to the fuku disaster, I don’t feel like earthquake is still the primary concern.
With respect to all other reactors – it’s a real concern.
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Anne, I read your posts, and agree there appears to be a link between fracking and other activities and earthquakes. It has been known for a long time removal of oil from soils, for example, destablilizes the areas around fault zones, and causes EQ’s.
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Arnie is not following what is going on at the plant anymore, and has no interest in global contamination. There is nothing here that we don’t know already.
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James2 and Bobby1
I am very frustrated by the lack of talk of ongoing criticalities also. Further, I think James2 and others may be right about the spent fuel pools.
Radiation levels are really skyrocketing in some areas of the US. Bakersfield was recently off the beta charts, literally.
However, I think Arnie did mention some level of ongoing releases. This is what I heard: “buildings are still giving off billions of becquerels of radiation every day” and Fukushima is still leaking tons of highly radioactive water into ocean. quoted in Radio EcoShock, hosted by Alex Smith. http://209.217.209.252/~esnet/downloads/ES_111228_Show_LoFi.mp3
correct me if I’m wrong on that…
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hi..majia…that’s kind of the point.I think….A person has to search for real info in Gundersens..work…truth should be more obvious…
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@majia…That’s the quote I heard from Arnie also. He did not deny nor minimize the ongoing radiation release, neither by air nor sea. And he did not emphasize that SFP #4 waas his only worry.
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Sacramento, CA had beta levels above the 10,000 (top measurement) level on Oct. 30, also.
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Not only that but some of the Alaska and Washington stations are showing no beta data at all since sometime in November or December. Hmmn ….
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Excuse me, that’s 1,000 level. The Gamma goes up to 10,000.
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Don’t they grow a lot of our food near sacramento?
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Yep. The only good thing to be said about it is there are lots of heavy clay soils in the CA Central Valley. The clay soil is much harder to get to produce because the clay binds minerals very tightly. It also “grabs onto” a lot of radioactive isotopes as well, which is good because there is less uptake into the plants from the soil. I live in the Central Valley near Suisun Bay. It was a relief to find out our heavy clay soils bind with a lot of the isotopes. Nonetheless, I’m following Anne’s advice and am now gardening under plastic and using a greenhouse. Will be putting as much zeolite into my soil as possible, very soon.
Further post will be put into rad protection area. IMHO we should be contacting farmers/dairy producers and requesting they add zeolite, sodium borate, etc. to soils as is being done in parts of Washington state, and Hawaii.
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Someone (Anne?) posted awhile back saying isotopes in rain water are absorbed directly through plant leaves — generally more of a concern than uptake from the soil.
Haven’t done a great deal of study on this, yet, but it’s an area of interest for me. When I get some data, will post it at the radiation protection area.
And Anne, if I’ve misquoted you, please forgive me. Am doing so much reading on radiation safety it’s hard to remember where I saw a lot of this info.
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Howdy Ho,
Have you seen some of the videos we did last summer in our garden?
http://www.youtube.com/user/JTekton#p/u/32/WUK9c_6vqBQ
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James, how do you like Inspector Alert, do you own and use the wipe plate?
Amazon had for around $500, but $800 elsewhere, of course Amazon is out.
e/m at stock [at]
hawaii.rr.com
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James, thank you, I did. Didn’t you also post your concerns about possible contamination after the New Mexico fires last summer? Thanks again, though. It’s good to watch these videos again.
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James, am very interested in knowing more about the measurements taken — when, where, and what. Interesting the soles of your shoes measured in the mid-600′s CPM. Am also interested in purchasing an Inspector. The pictures of the mutated veggies and flowers are pretty creepy. Noticed very little of that in CA except the tomatoes. Some of them had strange malformations. Am in SF Bay Area near entrance to the Central Valley.
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Sorry, I forgot to ask this. Do you do anything to remediate your shoes after going outdoors, like soaking in water w. baking soda, zeolite, or clay? Curious to know ….
Would like to do “before and after” checks of soles of shoes once I get the Inspector and can check rad levels.
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I don’t specifically remember posting this. But I don’t always read what I post.
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LOL
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http://www.beachcalifornia.com/california-food-facts.html
California has been the number one food and agricultural producer in the United States for more than 50 consecutive years.
More than half the nation’s fruit, nuts, and vegetables come from here.
California is the nation’s number one dairy state.
California’s leading commodity is milk and cream. Grapes are second.
California’s leading export crop is almonds.
Nationally, products exclusively grown (99% or more) in California include almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, kiwifruit, olives, persimmons, pistachios, prunes, raisins, clovers, and walnuts.
From 70 to 80% of all ripe olives are grown in California.
California is the nation’s leading producer of strawberries, averaging 1.4 billion pounds of strawberries or 83% of the country’s total fresh and frozen strawberry production.
Approximately 12% of the crop is exported to Canada, Mexico, United Kingdom, Hong Kong and Japan primarily. The value of the California strawberry crop is approximately $700 million with related employment of more than 48,000 people.
California produces 25% of the nation’s onions and 43% of the nation’s green onions.
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IMHO we should mount a campaign to educate farmers and ranchers, and press for testing and soil remediation with sodium borate, zeolite, etc.
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I agree. It would be great if there were an organized effort to persuade/pressure them to test and, if need be, remediate their fields. I spoke to a food company’s customer service lady about fallout-related concerns a couple of weeks ago, and she said I was the only person who has ever raised such concerns with them.
We need to get food producers to see that many people ARE concerned about it. I’m just not sure what the best way to organize such an effort is
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That’s the kind of response I’m getting, too, whenever I talk with anyone at a store, food co., etc.
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Yes James2 we do!
I’m 80 miles out of Sac,….have been for the better part of 20 years.
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Has anyone else noticed as soon as EPA posts a spike in Beta, the graphs immediately show a drop to 0 levels (flatlining) or they drop WAAAAY down. It’s like someone is skewing the data. Instead of just taking the stations offline, it looks like they just skew the data downward by many levels. Maybe there’s nothing to this observation, but I’ve been observing it for about six months, now.
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‘Only so much material one can cover in one video.
That being said — the waste repository in Texas, it can be argued, will not necessarily SAFELY store radioactive waste for 300 years. Supposedly laws were changed in Texas to allow the repository to be built. And it is supposed to sit over the aquifer supplying water to nine (9) U.S. states.
Probably a good idea to re-post this in the U.S. section. Something people in the U.S. should be considering and voicing our views on.
Yes, we must force the regulatory agencies to do their jobs right, and to protect people. Or have them disbanded.
Unclear if we have much of a window of time there for people to keep the Texas project from going through ….
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Read about proposed Texas repository and likely aquifer contamination:
http://motherjones.com/environment/2011/03/texas-nuclear-waste-dump
Here’s a quote:
“State engineers and geologists strongly objected to licensing the the dump. Concerned that radioactive material could contaminate groundwater, three staffers at the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality resigned rather than sign off on the licenses. In a 2007 memo, four TCEQ engineers and geologists concluded that the site’s proximity to the water table ‘makes groundwater intrusion into the disposal units highly likely’ and suggested that it not be approved. One of the resigned staffers, an engineer named Encarnacion Serna, told the Texas Observer’s Forrest Wilder that the site’s geology made it unfit for storing nuclear waste. Nevertheless, he explained, ‘I started getting the idea that these people are going to license this thing no matter what. I felt that in clear conscience I couldn’t grant a license with what was being proposed.’ ”
Public citizen report April 2011, from Texas Nuclear Safety website:
http://texasnuclearsafety.org/
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There are so many issues to cover, it is almost impossible to cover them all..
Dumping radiation and toxic stuff in the ocean
Dumping radioactive water in the ocean
Spraying radioactive water into the forests
Leaking radioactive water into groundwater
Leaking three MOX? nuclear cores worth of radiation, no monitoring
Explosions times three, four, ? more, none monitored for radiation
No radiation readings downwind
No ‘vent’ stack radiation readings
No monitoring of radiation released by ANY nuclear agency
No verified figures of ANYTHING since the ‘accident’ in March
If this were the airline industry, there would be teams of people flying in and scientifically analyzing EVERYTHING, and finding out what happened specifically, and how much radiation was released via black boxes that work even if the power is out..
If the airline industry crashes a jet with 200 people killed, it is headline news all the way through to the end, with a cause and specific analysis.
If the nuclear industry has a melt through, it is ignored, denied, spun, minimized, and finally covered up completely, by declaring it ‘cold shutdown’, even though the accident is ongoing and never ending, releasing massive amounts of radiation from three or more reactor melt throughs.
It is illuminating that the nuclear industry has NO BLACK BOXES like the airline industry does, but it can kill thousands, millions or even BILLIONS of people, without every disclosing a thing or being in the news.
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They may not have a “black box” in the airline-sense of that phrase, but by another definition, I’d say the entire nuke industry IS a “black box”:
Black box
“In science and engineering, a black box is a device, system or object which can be viewed solely in terms of its input, output and transfer characteristics without any knowledge of its internal workings, that is, its implementation is “opaque” (black)….
The opposite of a black box is a system where the inner components or logic are available for inspection, which is sometimes known as a white box, a glass box, or a clear box.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
There’s no transparency in the nuke industry, and little in terms of its relations with its “regulators.” If people were actually informed about it, few would support it.
What more can you expect from a technology that had its origins in the Manhattan project?
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I posted that on the Nuke Power Play thread. Could not fit the whole thing…but damn, what great combined comments!
BLACK BOX
BLACK OPS
BLACK NRC all fits together rather nicely.
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IT SHOWED http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/nuclear-power-gregory-jaczko-nuclear-regulatory-commission_n_1160711.html?page=2
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Or maybe it should be said there is plenty of glowing radioactive testimony, revealing the power of the radioactive lobbying industry, it’s media control and ability to cover up what is really going on.
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BET THEY DO have Black Boxes. Their just not disclosing them.
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Arnie: There was a big radiation release in Japan in March. They’re burning the radioactive debris from that and dumping it in Tokyo Bay. It’s against international law. Plus there are few hot particles in Seattle and the Cascades got contaminated.
Fine.
But radiation in Namie has gone from 36 uSv/hr to 330 uSv/hr since April. The contamination isn’t just continuing, it is getting worse. What about radioactive food and water in the US? Did Arnie mention the study that had 14,000 dead in the US? Nothing about re-criticalities, nothing about recent iodine. What about iodine in Europe? Has he seen the webcam? Anything about underground coriums? Any mention of winter weather patterns that bring it all over the US? Any warnings to pregnant women, children, the vulnerable, the sick?
A Fuku Lite message guaranteed to not offend anyone in power in the US.
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I think that when you take on the IAEA you are taking on TPTB directly. You are showing how the Yakuza is running much of our country. I.e., who do you think is running GE, Westinghouse, and hence also the MSM? Who is holding a large portion of our national debt? Why do you think the Republican candidates sound so irrelevant? Why do you think that there are more medically uninsured since Pres. Obama took office?
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Ron Paul doesn’t follow “the status quo” in the Republican party. The MSM has done their best to try to shut him up and discredit him.
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However, Ron Paul thinks nuclear energy is the best kind of energy possible. He’s in favor of subsidizing the nuclear industry. He is not in favor of any environmental concern for the planet.
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He is not in favor of nuclear proliferation overseas, but alas, you are correct. He thinks it’s a “clean” technology. I wonder if that view has changed since Fukushima?
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On the other hand, he’s in favor of “green technologies” and favors the legalization of hemp production in the U.S. If hemp were legalized, it could go a LONG WAY toward solving our energy problems.
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Arnie isn’t blogging with an Anonymous name. The chicken-hearted shouldn’t be criticizing him. Arnie gives us information that we wouldn’t have otherwise. Incinerating radioactive waste and dumping radioactive waste in the ocean and using it for landfill are extremely deadly issues.
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Thank you Anne. I will never go against him again. For one thing, I know how dirty the NRC plays. They have KILLED WHISTLEBLOWERS for Gods sake! Palast points out a few in his book. I wish he’d dive further into this, but I oh so appreciate whatever he does.
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When you attack the nuclear industry, you’re going at the heart of the military-industrial complex. Yes, it is potentially dangerous to do so.
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…shiver me timbers….
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Let’s talk corium ..Arnie.
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Telling the military to quit playing with their guns isn’t hard..someone has to do it.
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Agreed. The more who do so, the better.
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And there’s some truth to the saying, “safety in numbers.”
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@ Anne & @ Whoopie…
Your statements about Arnie are spot on. We should be glad to have someone of his stature willing to say as much as he does. We wouldn’t want him Karen-Silkwooded or David-Kellyed would we? I have nothing but respect for the risks he is already taking. Thank you, Arnie!
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Arnie isn’t telling the whole truth.. it’s easy to give one’s real name.
The possibility of….losing your life is part of the truth-telling..
Know it or get out of the business….
Anonymity is awesome.
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Dont usually do this but found this comment at HP interesting:
“This is a paper industry – investments and deeds and contracts – with dire physical consequences. In the first 10 years of Nuclear Power, there was study and investigation to see just how it would actually work – and almost immediately the folks pushing the paper and collecting the checks began taking over. A British Engineer and Sociologist studied the ACTUAL costs in pounds and in energy consumption needed to get a plant up and running, making electricity. He found and published that the amount of money and the amount of resources (energy – Oil, Electricity, Coal, etc.) was so large just to build the plant that it would take 20-30 years to break even. Worse he found that the subsidized cost over-runs and the time it took to run at full capacity meant that the electricity actually cost the society several times what conventionally produced electricity would have cost. The extra money – he surmised – and the time (10 years at least) would have been more efficiently used cleaning stacks and developing other energy sources such as Wind, Solar and Geo-Thermal and would result in a better outcome.
SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!
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HE CONTINUES:
“Oh – I forgot to mention that the British Scientist who studied this and came to those conclusions was stripped of his position in the British Society Of Scientists and lost his professorship too.
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Maybe it’s true what Dr. John Gorfman said:
“My view is, there exists a group of people in the world that have a disease. I call it the “power disease.” They want to rule and control other people. They are a more important plague than cancer, pneumonia, bubonic plague, tuberculosis, and heart disease put together. They can only think how to obliterate, control, and use each other. They use people as nothing more than instruments to cast aside when they don’t need them any more.”
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Psychopaths. Para-human. Predators.
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Labels are just words we use to put things into neat little boxes. Humans have always been predators, and their prey has always included other humans. What I’ve been wondering is whether we are seeing a substantial increase in human predators over the past ~40-50 years. Don’t guess anybody keeps statistics on that, do they? Maybe it’s a mutation that is spreading through populations in the normal manner of things evolutionary. A fatal flaw we won’t survive.
Then I get REALLY depressed and think humans are nothing but an evolutionary plague – the means by which the ‘experiment’ of complex life comes to an end via a genetic time bomb. Lord knows we are inordinately proud of our ability to “defeat nature” by making ourselves (and most other life forms) extinct just by pushing a button. That’s why nukes exist, after all.
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@JoyB
I despise the opener “There are two kinds of people…” and all the misleading superficiality of handy categorisation.
BUT….
I do believe psychopathy needs to be much more thoroughly studied and discussed and our preconceptions that it’s only about standard-issue criminals re-examined.
If it is a neurological hard-wired variation in the species we really need to “get it”. That’s why I chose “para-human”.
It gives a different angle to the idea of the “1%”.
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Maybe the mutations are caused by man-made radionuclides.
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Helen Caldicott says it’s a fault in the reptilian brain of at least those in the nuclear industry. It appears it’s there in the brains of Monsteranto execs, big oil, big pharma, big chem as well …. Apparently lots of politicians have this fatal flaw, too. They definitely deserve Social Darwinism Awards ….
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Yes,…I learned and posted a few months ago, that the DSM-5, psycho-social disorder book,..that narcissism has been dropped in the newest version that comes out in March I think. They state that narcissism is no longer ‘abnormal’, to think overly much about oneself.
People use one another as if the other is an ‘extra’ on a movie set,…the MOVIE OF THEM, their lives. When you don’t follow the script,….you get TEPCO’d!
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omg wow Jill – norms changing so much. You know I heard the same thing regarding weight. The title was something like “is overweight the new normal?” as unfortunately so many have issues with that now. It definitely has trickled down too to application as I haven’t changed a bit but because of size changes (and being on the bottom of the scale), many regular stores don’t carry my size without special order anymore.
And that is totally creepy yet fitting an explanation for people’s reactions to this fiasco as well. So many write-offs, particularly this year, of people who don’t fit in their fantasy. Just knowing someone is worried about them possibly breathing plutonium is apparently reason enough to ridicule, attack and/or never speak to someone again. Being so widespread boggles the mind.
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Yes, and and remember what people like Henry Kissinger have to say about the value of young men and women in the military — ostensibly to serve their countries.
“In Haig’s presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as ‘dumb, stupid animals to be used’ as pawns for foreign policy.”
– Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein, The Final Days, p. 208
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Kissinger typifies the people you refer to.
“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac”. As quoted in The New York Times (28 October 1973)
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When the next shoe drops – the world will shudder like a rung bell. The IAEA folks will all seek a safe haven in which to hide – along with the NRC and the folks at the U.S. state department.
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That shoe is dropping – slowly.
That’s why I am frustrated with Arnie’s political correctness. It’s very clear that political correctness got us here and isn’t gonna get us out.
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Arnie definitely isn’t politically correct. He is certainly educated and knowledgeable. Why not pick a pro-nuke person to criticize? Arnie’s all we have to testify and argue against the nuclear industry. Labelling is usually prejucidial and doesn’t consider the whole person. Only the industry will benefit by criticizing Arnie. James2 you almost all the time sound like an industry shill. Only an industry shill would say that we don’t need to worry about earthquakes. This is what TEPCO has said for 40 or 50 years. They are still saying it because they want to build nuclear and MOX power plants in Turkey and the rest of the world including the US.
James 2, what continent do you live on?
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We will be shaking in our boots.
Our disasters keep getting bigger and bigger.
World is changing, we should not have something as dangerous as Nuclear Power. They are accidents waiting to happen, without anyone having any control of these monsters.
I think there are those who think they are invited to safety, but when the rush comes, they also will be left out blowing in the wind.
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there is no safety from this.
This will affect the rich and the poor equally. There is no safe spot on earth.
Those with means might be able to delay the inevitable for a short time, but not avoid it.
The deed is done. We are all in the pot and it’s beginning to heat up. You can’t hide, you can’t jump out.
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I posted a video yesterday that an elite whistleblower made before Mar 11. He talked about the radiation around the Northern Hemisphere as a method for depopulation. The elite, he said, would be in bunkers and South America. He talked about the equator and the reverse wind and the radiation staying north of the equator. He said that this plan was made years ago, that the reason they let every one know about it is that they think they have already won.
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Makes me wonder why they build nuclear power plants in Brazil, then.
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Brazil – 2 npp’s with a new one just built
Argentina – 2 with a new one just built
Chile – 2 small test reactors used for medical purposes
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Hi Anne,
Where did you post this video?
And what have we been saying here since forever?
The video needs to go viral so everyone knows who is killing them and why.
The “next shoe” that will drop will most likely be around an EMP and the permanent shut down of many NPP’s resulting in the never ending release of massive amounts of uncontrollable radiation fallout here in the usa.
Are you ready for that?
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James, no reason to gig her. We can all recognize it.
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It’s in the discussion thread with 3 other citations. I will repost it here.
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World War III already begun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35SFNsPKopg
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What about when the Southern Hemisphere has its winter? Australia reported elevated radiation levels during their winter — August of this year.
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I mistakenly posted this in another thread so I will repost here where I originally intended.
What fascinates me about Fukushima is that over the last deceade since the time of 9/11 a large and relatively global movement has grown typically referred to as “conspiracy theorists” or “truhters.” This has involved a great many people who have worked to unearth details not commonly associated with the official versions of events on a wide array of topics, some even obscure. Oddly, virtually none of them have picked up the events of 3/11 with the rigour and tenacity we have seen with not only 9/11 but a host of other occurrences. Fukushima, undboutedly, presents great fodder for this community. An occurrence with global implications and a seemingly unending, highly questionable retelling of events. Its not that these people have shied away from opposing powerful forces in our midst or steered their attention away from occassions with deadly and horrifying impacts. In the abscense of the scrutiny typically applied as a result of this community’s attention to this issue the opportunity arises for people like Mr Gunderson to fill the void and indeed he has. In fact he has become the go to guy for many of the truther crowd who dare skim the surface of this issue. This has allowed Arnie to in fact fulfill the role of a gate keeper and when we see videos like this one it becomes apparent that regardless of Mr Gunderson’s intention he has indeed slipped into this role, if even by default. Which ultimately results in the further burying of details and issues consistently referred to on these pages and the impact is such that the proper scrutiny required to bring up the profile necessary in order to properly discern them generally does not arise
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American academics are to blame in many ways. They have failed to rise to the occasion (although there are a few exceptions).
We need people with expertise to speak out and debate findings.
I find the silence very troubling on many levels…
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I completely agree Maija, however a reliance on acedemics is shaky at best. In fact here in Canada of the lectures I have watched on the topic from academic institutions, each and every one were complete and utter damage control exercises so horrifically slanted in favour of the industry it was embarassing just watching them.
That said, Architects and Engineers on the 9/11 stuff have forwarded a credible effort that, if anything, deconstructs the official narrative and the commission report specifically.
I wont hold my breathe for the academic community but I am surprised the less credentialed and wild west like truthers have not been all over this.
We also discussed in the past the abscence of any realy scrutiny from the ENGOS which I find reprehensible. Of all the issues that these groups busy themselves with this one should be paramout and for me it underscores my understanding of these organizations to be largely efforts in controlled opposition and often simply green window addressing for the brownest agendas known to man.
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R1 tent burning up right now
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@ James2,
what are you talking about?
Tepco Cam?
It looks okay “from here”!
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from here as well….can’t see any fire
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiq5CtF3N0
They haven’t photoshopped the damage out yet.
take a look at the top southwest corner
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Looks like the roof is gone too
I think he whole west side tent wall is going to burn up.
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I got an error message… “please try again later.” Guess their photoshoppers are hard at work now.
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still working for me. Looks like the NW corner and SW corners of the fabric are gone.
Can’t tell for sure if the roof is intact or not.
Looks like low on the SW corner has holes in it too.
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Oh well, photoshop is in progress.
they’ve used an “eraser” tool to wipe out the whole section of the picture where the tent is burned away.
Amazingly, the erased sections, which show pure white, go over the vent tower, which is in front of the building – in one continuous plane – so they didn’t even try to cover up the photoshop job.
I would love to be a fly on the wall right now – “What do we do now? We can’t vibrate the picture enough to hide that thing.” Boss, “you can’t? you must vibrate it more. Hey, can you just put some 150 foot tall fake trees in to cover it up?” “150 foot trees? Are you nuts?”.
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Oh, well. It was just a circus tent, after all. Too bad they didn’t use flame retardant canvas like REAL circuses do…
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You know I thought “just a circus tent” when I first heard the idea, but when I saw what they built, it was an engineering marvel.
And it looked like they put it up almost completely with remote control – which was amazing.
However, now they’ve got an even bigger problem on their hands. They obviously spent months building this thing, and saying it was going to contain the radiation – and the radiation burned through it in a few weeks.
That’s not only a failure – that’s an epic failure. In six months the Soviets built a sarcophagus over Chernobyl that, although it wasn’t perfect, it held for 25 years.
It too the japanese 6 months to built a tent that lasted 2 months over the easiest of all their meltdowns to contain.
I think it’s time for heads to roll..
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A. Tent roof was gone all week.
B. Reactor 1. Is the most serious leak. As its meltdown has progressed the farthest of the four…
(So it is actually going to be the hardest to contain).
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I didn’t notice the roof gone all week. I must have been too concerned with the burn down elsewhere.
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The TBS/JNN link on enenews.com has not worked for weeks. These links do work, and nothing is happening as usual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiq5CtF3N0
http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=4&Itemid=193
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Here is a link for the TEPCO cam. As soon as the sun isn’t shining directly on the camera I’m sure you will see that there is nothing wrong with the SW corners of #1 and #2. Just SOMEONE playing mind games as usual and wasting everyone’s time.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html
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You can’t see the SW corner of Unit #1 on the JNN cam.
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Hey J2,
Just noticed that there is a huge white rectangle with a small rectangle on the top left.
Is this a huge “Photoshop” white out of what is going on behind it? Is this actual COVER-UP really happening right before our eyes, or am I just seeing things here in this video link now?
Taking this over to the Webcam thread.
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If I understand what you are talking about, the huge white rectangle is the photoshopped west and south walls of #2.
The smaller rectangle on the top left is the cover up of the #1 walls. blow it up to full screen and notice the rectangle is superimposed over the picture – not part of it.
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cam discussion for anyone new
http://enenews.com/forum-fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread-dec-14-2011-present
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I really doubt that the Tokyo Government
will allow this, they will fear Regress
from many Sources!
And it is forbidden since many Years,
dumping Radioactive Materials
into the Ocean is against the international Law!
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Hi Human, I think that’s why they don’t dump it in the ocean (international waters), but into Tokyo Bay.
The fact that this is happening has been reported in several papers. I think it is happening, though it’s shocking. Just as shocking as the fact that we don’t hear about people protesting.
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Did you mean “redress” ?
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Oh, many People are very active here in Japan
but you cant see them so well because they
are on different Channels,
the Tags and many use UStream!
You need to use the Searchwords in Kanji,
when you do this you will get 1.000ths
of Results!
Tokyo Bay is a part of the Ocean,
maybe there is a mistranslation,
because i know that they spoke about the use of Radioactive Sludge for the Land-Fills?
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Hi Human, I apologize for my stupid comment. I know there are many concerned people around you doing all kinds of protesting and information – just because I don’t see it in the media I can read doesn’t mean they’re not there.
Sorry.
Hmmm, if they use radioactive sludge for the landfills, why not the ashes? It’s both criminal, anyway.
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Radnet for Phoenix shows 600 CPM beta today.
My kids are being poisoned…
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Damp sponge and mop everything inside, wipe in one direction so everything (pretend you can see it) ends in one spot. Take that up with paper towel, double bag the trash when you’re done (those proliferating plastic grocery bags are good for this). Make the kids leave shoes outside or right inside the door, change clothes when they come in – right there by the door – and hard-hamper them right away.
When levels are that high, you nee to think “shelter in place” but make sure the particles don’t build up where they’ll be breathed or end up in food/drink. Beta’s not an external hazard, so the job is to keep it out of bodies. It CAN be controlled if you try.
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This instruction needs to go to everyone in Phoenix, right now!
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Thank you very much Joy
I cannot believe this is happening with no warnings…
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this stuff is just bone chilling.
Those silent are complicit, there is no other conclusion to draw.
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Hey majia, why don’t you call the EPA folks back and ask them what they suggest.
If they tell you it’s from radon, then tell them – OK, I don’t care about the source what should the people of phoenix do?
If it’s legal to record the call, record it.
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If you fuss too much they will turn off the monitor as they already have for half the locations in the US, and you won’t have this information again.
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I am really sorry. Some of this is undoubtedly coming from the US’s largest nuclear power plant which is near Phoenix.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Phoenix-AZ-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx
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Doesn’t Uncle Arnie remind us that his name is spelled ‘son’, not ‘sen’? With an “O”, Gunderson? People miss spell me from time to time,….and if someone corrects us,…we should get it right, IMO.
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Sorry Jill, Arnie tells us his name is spelled “sen,” with an “e,” just like Fairewinds has an “e.”
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It is spelled “sen” all over his website:
Arnold Gundersen with A Fresh Report on Fukushima
http://fairewinds.com/
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anne-
“and a underground nuclear explosion in 2009 by the US in the Mississippi basin, and no one said even a word.”
Brown flag! Give me a LINK, PLEASE!
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Thanks for responding. I posted this twice on discussion thread:
What do you know about nuclear fracking? Do you approve of nuclear fracking?
What do you know about an Aug. 19, 2009 nuclear blast? Do you approve of the US use of nuclear blasts in the Mississippi basin?
Transmutation on the Ocean Bottom
June 20, 2011
“With the large releases of methane under the Gulf of Mexico by deep drilling and nuclear fracking of the basalt plain large quantities of methane ice have piled up on the bottom. Given time the bacteria will eat all the methane keeping the Gulf deep waters cool and making a lot of fish food. The use of Corexit emulsifier sinking the red coloured petroleum to the bottom will in time be transmuted by the bacteria.
“The radioactivity in the petroleum, fall-out from the August 19 2009 nuclear blast 10 kilometres under the alluvial fan of the Mississippi will also be transmuted by the bacteria. In biological systems radioactivity drops fifteen times faster than in a test tube.
“The practise of the US Navy to drop decommissioned nuclear reactors in the ocean depths may be the best solution for long term elimination of such materials. The bacteria eats the iron into “rusticles” as seen on the Titanic at 10,000 feet deep and transmutes toxic radioactive elements fifteen times faster than in underground bunkers….”
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/transmutationoean20jun11.shtml
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It really blew my mind. Hope you can do something.
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Nuclear fracking?
(BROWN FLAG)
LINK PLEASE
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anne
“What do you know about nuclear fracking? Do you approve of nuclear fracking?
What do you know about an Aug. 19, 2009 nuclear blast? Do you approve of the US use of nuclear blasts in the Mississippi basin?”
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What do I know about nuclear fracking in Mississippi? Well, I know it didn’t happen in 2009. It happened on December 10, 1967, as part of Project Gasbuggy. People familiar with nuclear energy are well aware of the Gasbuggy fiasco. They did, indeed, stimulate gas production, but the gas was too radioactive to use.
Google Project Gasbuggy
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