Uranium detected in Tokyo soil sample — “That needs more study” says nuclear expert (VIDEO)

Published: May 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm ET


Arnie Gundersen Discuss the Triple Meltdown at Fukushima Daiichi and the Unit 4 Spent Fuel Pool
WDEV Radio’s Mark Johnson
May 1, 2012

WDEV/Radio Vermont’s Mark Johnson interviews Arnie Gundersen of Fairewinds. Johnson and Gundersen discuss the situation now at Fukushima Daiichi and the lingering disaster at its Unit 4 spent fuel pool. 

“One sample also pickled up uranium, which was unique, and that needs more study.”

h/t rumorecurioso

Full broadcast here

Published: May 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm ET


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24 comments to Uranium detected in Tokyo soil sample — “That needs more study” says nuclear expert (VIDEO)

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    May 9 U.S. Senator sounds alarm about 'precarious' Fukushima situation, warns of imminent release of radiation http://www.naturalnews.com/035813_Ron_Wyden_Fukushima_radiation.html via @HealthRanger

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Tokyo is a nuclear waste dump. It must be abandoned, sooner or later.
    Either by emmigration, or by the evil black nuclear death that stalks it streets.
    Japan had a diminishing population even before 311.
    Japan is now burning nuclear waste in incinerators all over the country, spreading evil black nuclear death.
    This will accelerate population loss.
    Japan is now urging citizens to "Support By Eating" heavily contaminated foods from Fukushima.
    This will accelerate population loss.
    Women are afraid to have children, afraid of mutations.
    This will accelerate population loss.
    People are selling anything they can, and leaving Japan to become expats.

    This will accelerate population loss.
    People are now heavily contaminated by fatal internal doses of black nuclear death.
    This will accelerate population loss.
    Capitalist economies do not perform well unless they are constantly growing.
    Population decline translates into economic decline.
    Japan's economy will be depressed for the duration.
    Japan is toast. So very sad don't you think?
    What did the nuclear industry bring the Japanese people? Evil black nuclear death.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      I mirror your feelings. I cant even bring myself to comment on the news today. It's all so bad. 🙁

    • Spectrometising

      I guess Arnie is asking/questioning/ruminating if much hotter temperatures were attained by the meltdown.

      1,135° C (2,075° F)
      Uranium, Melting point

      4,134° C (7,473° F)
      Uranium, Boiling point

      28.39° C (83.1° F)
      Caesium, Melting point

      670.8° C (1,240° F)
      Caesium, Boiling point

    • jonjon

      These news only make you worried or depressed if you read them. Most people don't and in Japan, where you would think people are the most concerned, the fact is for the most part they couldn't care less.
      Today I was talking to a guy in Kagoshima (south of Japan) who was moving to Tokyo for work with his family (wife and 4 year old daughter). I was a bit surprised considering he loves surfing and paddle boarding, and plus has a young daughter. So I asked him if he was worried, and he said not at all… I realized from the tone of his voice that it never crossed his mind that I was implying "scared of being in a radioactive environment"… He just thought I meant "scared of the big city/megapolis".
      Every time I ask about the origin of rice and other ingredients in restaurants in Japan, I have to remind myself they usually have no clue why I even ask. This is the real situation in Japan; Not the one you would imagine from reading enenews. In other words, the situation might be worsening but from people (85% of them)stand point, radiation poisoning can't possibly happen to them nor ever reach them.

      • Whoopie Whoopie

        That makes me even sadder jon. Sounds like the Propaganda machine is alive and well in Japan. See No Evil. I mean we even see newscasters act like nothings wrong. Newspapers advertising protective gear for CHILDREN – and yet SMILE/EAT/BE HAPPY. They ARE ALL spouting the Jgov stance on things. Reality will be forthcoming and it's going to shake up the world i'm afraid.

        • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

          Whoopie: People trust their government and their news media to protect them. People think: If there was something that harmful about Fuku, they would tell us, wouldn't they? In fact, not so much. Mass delusion. But even now, cards seem to be falling from the house of cards that Japan built on nuclear energy.

        • Anthony Anthony

          But I think how Jons telling it is how it really is. I`ve always said we *here* care and react much more strongly to the situation more than the Japanese citizens directly in it! If you watch youtube videos etc from Japan, life is totally going on as normal pretty much. People are swimming in the oceans like there is nothing wrong – while most of us here wouldn't dream of doing the same! I am sure many Japanese people may think we are blowing the whole thing out of proportion and are being overly emotional in our reactions and fears.

      • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

        jonjon: At some level, nearly all Japanese know what has befallen them. But many seem to have accepted the situation, and have chosen to get on with their lives as if nothing has happened that affects them. My comment is that deadly levels of nuclear fallout have, in fact, turned Tokyo into a nuclear death trap. Each of the megatrends listed in my earlier comment have, or will, occur. Depression, worry, and denial are common reactions to stress. Soon after 311, many urged a mass evacuation of Japan. As the weeks passed, and after the plume from Fuku3 spread all over the Tokyo metro area, it became clear that it was already too late to evacuate. The damage has been done. You kind of have to envy your friend for his oblivion. But jonjon, when are you leaving Japan?

        • jonjon

          philipupnorth: Leaving Japan because of Fukushima is not something I consider seriously as it would only be an excuse for leaving, deep down.

          What you need to realise, when you generalize about Japan, is that even though it's a small country, it's quite long and thin, with most of the fallouts affecting the kanto region, and the pacific north west.

          I've been checking the fallout simulation during the weeks following 311, and I can confirm that Kyushu got much less fall-out than, say, California. In fact it was as if Kyushu was upstream on a river, with an occasional whirlpool forming and bringing some radiation upstream.

          In other words, I would definitely leave Tokyo if I lived there, but where I am in the south, I'm more worried about some neighbor burning his plastic trash while I have my windows open.

          Obviously it's annoying to have to check the origin of all the ingredients I buy when I go grocery shopping or to eat dairy products only to realize afterwards they might be of dubious origins. However there are so many other things that are bad for you.. such as eating lots of red meat, herbicides and pesticides, dioxin, pollution from China, aspartame and the list goes on and on…

      • Spectrometising

        In that case jonon the ones that care will/would do their best to guide when their neighbor shows signs of waking up somewhat. That could be for any reason, increased reporting of disease, loss of control of more nuclear plants, the further spread of radionuclide, more earthquakes, and so on.

        Your observation is very accurate and normal i think.

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Spectrometising: Have been thinking about our discussion of your zirconium/cesium theory. Do you have any further thoughts on the subject?

    If I may summarize your theory for ENEnews readers: Overheated fuel rods began to quickly turn remaining water into steam. Steam pushed air and hydrogen away from melting fuel. As temperatures increased, zirconium and cesium melted, then turned into vapor, creating an explosive mixture. Hydrogen played no roll in the destruction of Fuku nukes. Nor did steam. It was, rather, an explosion of zirconium and cesium vapors that destroyed the reactor buildings. This process may have taken place in reactors 1&3, and in SFP4.
    For those who may have missed this discussion, here is a link: http://enenews.com/listen-nuclear-expert-theres-as-much-cesium-in-no-4-fuel-pool-as-in-all-800-atom-bombs-ever-tested-except-fukushima-would-be-at-one-place-at-one-time-and-on-ground-level-audio

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Missed that one phil. Interesting.

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      There may have been an explosion of some sort in the SFPs I don't understand, but several people have said that the plants themselves collapsed inward, not outward as with an explosion.

      This inward collapsing may be a result of the nuclear destruction process when a reactor experiences a full meltdown. There is a possibility it approximates the collapse of a star, creating a singularity, which creates a type of 'black hole' in miniature. The 'suction' of this mini-black hole, as theorized as a feature of a giant black hole, would collapse the structure inward.

      Does anyone really know what happens when these things melt, and the forces unleashed?

    • I want to say a thanks to both of you, Phillip and Spectrometising, for the information I just got by following this link.
      I came to enenews to learn.
      My education just went up 1000% on the evil that is nuclear power….

    • Spectrometising

      Gday Philip. Yes i am still theorising and more recently it has been about the boiling point of cesium and that of zirconium. Posted right here on this thread (Above.).

      After our exchange on the last occasion i realized, after sleeping on it, that i had not taken into account the rather low boiling point of cesium in comparison to zirconium. This points to a scenario where the cesium has boiled off well before any zirconium has a chance to volatilise. This is if the rods have ruptured and are no longer hermetically sealed.

      I remain with the steam displacing hydrogen and air although this effect would be reduced according to the availability of cooler surfaces

      The timing concerning the metal explosion ideally depends on the presence of Zirconium in a volatilised state. Clearly any cesium would be dry in the fuel rods after the boiling point of cesium is reached, thus, the Zirconium would needs be in an airborne cesium/zirconium mixture in this case.

      The other theorized further method for an explosion is if the cesium undergoes an increase in trapped pressure within the zirconium fuel rod/tube until the explosive reaction takes place between the volatilized cesium as a compressed gas against the hot internal walls of the Zirconium fuel rod as the Zirconium approaches melting point.

      I suspect the Zirconium would not need to be in finely divided form for a cesium/zirconium metal explosion to occur under these circumstances.

      Reactivity profile of Cesium &…

      • Spectrometising

        In "Reactivity Profile"……"and cesium will react violently, even explosively, with an excess of zirconium powder [Ellern 1968. p. 249]."

        • Spectrometising

          Okay, my mistake, only boiling point of cesium is posted above. Excuse me.

          Here is Zirconium.

          1,855° C (3,371° F)
          Zirconium, Melting point

          4,409° C (7,968° F)
          Zirconium, Boiling point

          28.39° C (83.1° F)
          Caesium, Melting point

          670.8° C (1,240° F)
          Caesium, Boiling point

  • there is no cesium vapor next to the slightest trace of water. it immediately and very violently reacts with the wate producing hydrogen. there is also no zirconium vapor next to the slightest trace of water.

    cesium an zirconium overheated next to overheated water is total and immediate corrosion of pellets and rods. the leftover of that reaction is dusty material that may or may not melt. the cesium is a decay product evenly distributed in the pellets, when cesium reacting with water the pellets are simply torn apart by that reaction. that dust then has to gather to produce molten corium. but when everything is flooded with water the dust is just washed away. When TEPCO said they flooded the nukes with water everyone just thought they opened ONE hole to get something IN. in fact they had to get the water out not in the normal closed circuit, just spill it back where it came from.
    for cesium and water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS3cIK9jlB8&feature=related

    • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

      catweazel: Wonderful lab demonstration of cesium reacting with water. Watch this short video, all. When the cesium takes out the lab dish, it had me laughing. Many thanks for your post.

      My question to you is: What happens to the melting cesium and zirconium when all of the water has boiled away, and the temperatures have risen to 1,240 F?

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Nuke industry: Let me get this straight: You guys know what happens when cesium touches water? Right? This can be done in the lab, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS3cIK9jlB8&feature=related
    So you make up fuel assemblies, with dozens of little bitty fragile rods, that contain cesium, which is explosive when it comes into contact with water. And to protect the cesium from the water, you use zirconium cladding? You are just looking for trouble, IMHO.

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    From the Wikipedis article on Zirconium: "One disadvantage of zirconium alloys is their reactivity toward water at high temperatures leading to the formation of hydrogen gas and to the accelerated degradation of the fuel rod cladding:
    Zr + 2 H2O → ZrO2 + 2 H2
    This exothermic reaction is very slow below 100 °C, but at temperature above 900 °C the reaction is rapid. Most metals undergo similar reactions. The redox reaction is relevant to the instability of fuel assemblies at high temperatures,[28] This reaction was responsible for a small hydrogen explosion first observed inside the reactor building of Three Mile Island accidented nuclear power plant in 1979, but then, the containment building was not damaged. The same reaction occurred in the reactors 1, 2 and 3 of the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant (Japan) after the reactors cooling was interrupted by the earthquake and tsunami disaster of March 11, 2011 leading to the Fukushima I nuclear accidents. After venting of hydrogen in the maintenance hall of these three reactors, the explosive mixture of hydrogen with air oxygen detonated, severely damaging the installations and at least one of the containment buildings".
    Zirconium is definitely NOT the material to be used in the cladding of nuclear fuel, and CAUSED the explosions that demolished the buildings at Fuku, according to the NRC, et al. Water is definitely not to be used anywhere near cesium.

  • nedlifromvermont

    hello all! From a discussion I had with Paul Blanche, ex-nuclear engineer, and whistle blower from Millstone, Connecticut complex … the CONTAINMENT at Three Mile Island DID FAIL …

    Paul said radiation detectors from somewhere caught the spike that indicated a ruptured containment … and when he showed this data to someone from the No Regulations Commission (U.S. NRC) who studied the data he admitted, "Yes, I guess you're right. The containment did fail …. We missed it." They MISSED IT! Yeah, right. So they closed their eyes and burned all the data and said what they were paid by Big Nuclear to say … Containment didn't fail. When proved wrong, and shown the proof, they lied: "We missed it." Smells like plausible deniability all over again.

    Something is severely, severely wrong with free market capitalism, if the regulators are bribed to lie, or are grossly incompetent, or close their eyes and cover their ears (la la la la la la) and shut their mouths.

    We've known this all along. The Fuku-nuclear disaster (oh sorry, "scary-non-catastrophe,") has simply provided bold relief to the MALFEASANCE RAMPANT IN THE NUCLEAR SECTOR.

    Since these guys have the big bombs, they need pay no heed to the sheeple or their puny little lives. Trouble is, they are in the Gas Chamber with us … wasting oxygen and telling stories.

    Nuclear nuckleheads: TIME TO GO. Long live ENENEWS. Peace, all. Nooner again tomorrow for our group in Brattleboro; NUCLEARISTS…

  • nedlifromvermont

    … NUCEARISTS ANONYMOUS. Hot tip line: 802 257-0336 (U.S.)

    Peace all and stay strong in the truth: it is a powerful tool. Utililze wisely.